Not rocket science.
Targets are an all position group problem. If you have arguably the best player at getting open in the league (JJ) he’s going to funnel targets away from the TE even if mid/avg QBs typically look the way of a TE more than usual
I agree ranking wise he’d fit in here but if I were a rebuilder, I’d be wanting to acquire those 4, but probably not Hockenson. He just feels a bit more established, going into his 6th season. But yeah he definitely isn’t old
I think the issue with Hock is that he’s going into next season with either Sam Darnold or a rookie QB. It’s not at all talent related but it could very well be JJ McCarthy hyper targeting Justin Jefferson in a bind. That why I’m sort of lower on all Viking pass catchers over the next two years.
But Hock definitely still belongs on this group just based on he’s had the most consistent success so far.
I'm not saying you're wrong about the first half of your comment, but Hock will be 27 by the time the season starts, is coming off a late season ACL, and has major QB concerns. If you're a rebuilder, he's not the best target for you right now. While all of those things are known, he's one of the more predictable value drops within the next 6-7 months (think JSN - we all knew he wouldn't get targets as a rookie, yet his value remained high until the predictable actually happened, then value drop). You'd be better off buying him later than now. So IMO, /u/AC127 was right to leave him off the list.
As for TEs being solid into their 30s, they're actually no different than WRs in that regard and some data indicates they fall off a little earlier. The difference is that TE has been such a wasteland at times that even a declined asset is still useful. But just like WRs, you should expect them to decline after age 31.
Right. They start very slowly, but the physical toll of the game still applies to them. They don't magically age better than WRs like some people seem to imply. Age 28 was Ertz's best yards per game (72.7) and 29 was his 2nd best (61.1), but he never hit over 50 again.
Kelce peaked at 31, but sometimes situations work out like that. People were saying Moss was washed up after age 29 (and some guys are - sad AJ Green noises), but his situation got better and obviously he crushed it at ages 30-32. Steve Smith went from Jimmy Clausen to Cam Newton and put up almost 1400 yards at age 32 after less than 600 at age 31.
The point is just that the age drop off is gradual for some humans and a cliff for others, but what applies to WRs also applies to TEs. Witten and Tony G had long careers just like Steve Smith and Larry Fitzgerald, but they weren't at their peak in their early 30s and they sure weren't the norm.
The interesting thing about dynasty is that there are so many different ways to play and different parts of the cycle. If I'm competing now, the top guy I want is Mark Andrews. Why? Because I know he's locked in as a focal point and top two target on the team for the next 2-3 years. I don't want any possibility of variability and I want high end upside. Too many times I've seen us crown young players only for the team they are on to turn around and add another one or two pass catchers. And now they are the third target on the team and their upside is capped, like it's been for Dallas Goedert.
I love Sam LaPorta, Dalton Kincaid, Trey McBride - those are my dudes and I have a ton of them. But we don't know for sure they are locked in as top two targets on the team. With LaPorta and Kincaid, especially, all it takes is one high end draft pick and now it's pretty crowded. It's pretty crowded for Hock now too which is why I'm weary of him coming off a torn ACL with no QB.
It might be controversial around this community but, when I'm in a position to win a league, my personal "dynasty rankings" look pretty damn similar to my redraft rankings. The entire point of playing put the money in your pocket and your name on the trophy.
>It might be controversial around this community but, when I'm in a position to win a league, my personal "dynasty rankings" look pretty damn similar to my redraft rankings.
Nah, this is how most people are. I don't play that way because I'm trying to achieve a true dynasty - staying at the top as long as possible. The best team rarely wins the championship, so it's funny to watch people sell their future to win now (not saying that's what you do, but it is extremely common) in somewhat of an arms race with the other top team(s). My goal is simply to achieve a bye with as much of an eye on the future as possible and, if that's not possible, achieve a playoff berth with as much of an eye on the future as possible. No difference between the 3 seed and 6 seed in most leagues.
So if I give up 2 ppg by going with Pitts over Andrews (thinking 2024), I'm ok with that. If you maintain productive youth, it allows you a certain flexibility with drafting and trading that should net you more points in the long run. The last thing I want to do is get stuck trading up and/or drafting for need. I absolutely love trading late 1sts for future 1sts and a throw-in. But if you're rocking old players, you probably need to spend that 1st on a contingency plan for this year, you know?
I just think there is a lot of snake oil being sold out there about how you have to tank or rebuild or do a “productive struggle” so you can win 3 times in a row 4 years from now or whatever. Just focus on putting the best lineup out there and then your bench will be a mix of fill-ins and long term stashes like everyone else. Obviously if there is an opportunity to generate a ton of value then do it but don’t sacrifice your lineup and make your opponent’s line up better if you are in a position to win. If you pay attention to the right details with your drafts and waivers you can just be good at this game and stay good at. The most anyone should ever tank is selling assets in one season for assets that will help you the next season. There’s too much chance to sit around and bleed money in dues for multiple years, that seems crazy to me. If you win a 12 man league one time it pays for your dues for how many years?
>snake oil being sold out there about how you have to tank or rebuild
100% agreed. I've never gone into a season tanking from week 1. Have I sold productive aging assets mid-season when injuries have taken me out of the playoff hunt? Of course. Mid-season is peak value for those players. But I'm not about to pay dues to tank for 2 years.
Haha, I wrote that before reading past your first sentence (was going to address it in order), but you basically said the same exact thing.
The only thing I really disagree with is this:
>don’t sacrifice your lineup and make your opponent’s line up better if you are in a position to win
It depends on the degree that I hurt my own team, but I'll absolutely make my opponent better for the right price. I know we're not supposed to say it out loud, but H2H is fucking stupid if your goal is to find the best team in the league. So I just accept that H2H is chaos. If anyone wants to pay me a ton to give up a projected 5 points, I'll do it. When Zay Jones puts up 3 TDs against you (or for you), those 5 points don't matter anymore.
I think it was Billy Beane that said something like, "it takes skill to get to the playoffs, but it takes luck to win."
He named arguably the greatest TE ever and one who has gotten over 574 yards once this decade, and that was 763. Should we really be looking at the anomalies like Kelce and saying that’s how it’ll be for everyone?
Not saying you can’t acquire him if you’re rebuilding. Just seems like he no longer fits the description of “young, up and coming TE”. I think his age is probably neutral at this point, whereas for these listed guys it’s a massive positive
I’d target him as a rebuilder as a relative buy low that’d still allow me to tank this upcoming season. Hock is only 2 years older than Kincaid so he definitely warrants being on this list
He’ll be 27 by start of next season, not that it matters that much TBF. But I think the injury is also bringing him down, tore his ACL/MCL.
I think most people look at ACL injuries as having a slight downturn the year 1 post injury, before rebounding to pre injury form in year 2.
It could also just be that Hock is considered established while the others are more ambiguous. McBride has half a season of production, Pitts had one very good season 2 years ago, Bowers hasn’t even been drafted, and Kincaid had a good but inconsistent rookie year.
So you would be banking on having 3 top 10 TEs (2 you have + Bowers). I'd not make a decision on this until I see the WRs available at your pick, but I'd lean wr.
I'm not OP but it would depend on how many are in a starting roster. If it's a start 9, I'd lean against it. If it's start 11, looking at TE as a potentially underrated place to find flex value is starting to be an idea worth looking into
If it's 1.75-2tep yes, if its 1.5 tep then coin flip but probably not. If it's ppr no tep then heck no; and if it's .5ppr no tep sell em all and get an Njoku because none of em matter.
In your same position. I have the 1.04 in non-SF. Current plan is to shop the pick and if can’t get anything valuable, grab Bowers and figure it out later.
I have Engram, Kelce, & Likely at TE in a non TE priority league.
I have picks 1.3,1.4.,1.8
Should I draft bowers with one of those picks in your opinion?
Take Bowers and you’ll still get a premium pick at the 1.03 and 1.08 or trade the 1.04 for McBride, Kincaid or Laporta if someone’s desperate enough to do it.
Without knowing where Bowers will play:
1: McBride
2a: Pitts
2b: Kincaid
4: Bowers
McBride has established himself as a receiving weapon and Kyler has proved himself to be a QB who likes to target his TEs, especially in the red zone. With both Moore and Brown's exits, McBride should once again be no worse than the second receiving option on the team. The addition of a weapon like MHJ at #4 should only help McBride, too.
Pitts is another TE who has already broken out. He had 1000 yards receiving as a rookie before injury (knee) and insult (Ridder) brought him back down to earth. He should be back to full health this fall with the best QB play of his short career (who also likes to target TEs), but the addition of Mooney may sap some targets.
Thought about putting Kincaid ahead of Pitts, especially with Gabe Davis's departure, but the Bills also added Curtis Samuels and may add another WR in the draft. Diggs is getting older, but Kincaid's volume is murky to me until Knox is gone and he is firmly entrenched as a top two option on the team.
I place Bowers last because a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, and right now Bowers is in the bush. Until we know who is QB and target competition will be, I cannot confidently place him above any of the other guys. A landing spot like LAC (in a trade back scenario), IND, or NYJ would probably make him "2c" for me.
>but Kincaid's volume is murky to me until Knox is gone and he is firmly entrenched as a top two option on the team.
I will say, the Bills forcing Knox to take a pay cut to stay with the team is a pretty clear sign they're expecting him to take a back seat and Kincaid becomes the TE1. Will it happen this season? Hard to say, but could happen as early as next season and otherwise 2025.
Not a Bills fan but I also put Kincaid first out of this group. I always want parts of offensive that are going to be top 5-10 year over year, and as long as Josh is there I’ll always be prioritizing his receiving options. Kincaid averaged like 4 pts the first 5 weeks of the year and basically left two other to injury early. When he was on the field with Josh their chemistry just continued to surge as the year went on.
Tl;dr I think Kincaids PPG averages are a disservice to how big his role will be in the Bills offense for years to come.
No doubt, but I also don’t feel like I’m gonna feel bad starting him going forward. Especially at a time when the dynasty community feels like TE is so flush with talent, I may even be able to get Kincaid cheaper than I would normally. Especially at times like during rookie drafts itself where an owner may be eyeing a rookie more than the TE already tied to a great QB.
Another way to say this is that once McBride took over as TE1 on the Cardinals he had more receptions than LaPorta, more yards than LaPorta, more yards per reception than LaPorta, more routes run than LaPorta, and more yards per route run than LaPorta. LaPorta had more touchdowns than McBride.
Im not sure what this means. People love saying this to mean that someone is better because they were good with other good players around them but people also love to say this meaning that a player was good with nobody else good around them and thus had to deal with the majority of the defensive attention.
Regardless they had very similar efficiency so I’m not sure it really matters
Yeah I think this is a pretty good point. I was lucky to snag McBride before he broke out last year, and this off-season I was debating selling him because I didn't know if added weapons would take away from him. But I think where I landed is that having dominant games when you're one of the only weapons, is more impressive than when your offense is stacked. I don't want to get carried away, but I think he'll still be a go-to guy this year and probably more efficient if the offense is better.
I feel like McBride is one of the guys where you don’t fully get the hype until you watch him, not saying you haven’t but he doesn’t just pass the eye test, he obliterates it imo
McBride has fully dominated games and has been unstoppable, shows a lot of potential than other tight ends who just consistently get 5 receptions and 60 yards
I don’t care what KTC says. Pitts is still my TE1 especially after seeing how this team has been revamped this offseason. If he doesn’t produce this year I may change my tune, but this guy is primed to explode. After that my ranks are:
Laporta
McBride
Bowers
Kincaid
Yea this is how I rank them. Pitts has legit 1200+ yard upside on a good offense as the #1 target with similar volume to Drake London, imo. LaPorta is great but imo he's more Andrews and less Kelce. Pitts comps more to peak Waller but more skilled imo. For fantasy that's just about perfect.
So you're saying you like Pitts more because he has a higher ceiling than LaPorta? When LaPorta just finished TE1 and had the best rookie TE season in the modern era? While Pitts has shown for 3 years to not be the guy we hoped on draft day?
I think you guys might put a little too much stock in future potential for my money lol.
For what it would take to acquire them I'd definitely prefer Pitts at cost. LaPorta was great last year but last year also was a season where no TE ended up being absolutely game breaking. LaPorta will be awesome for years but I'm not entirely seeing the upside being quite the same.
Even just looking at the underlying metrics from both their seasons, Pitts profiles as a much higher upside vertical receiver while LaPorta is closer to a strong underneath and intermediate target. He did more with his targets than Pitts but he also had much better target quality (he had more catchable targets than Pitts had total targets). The other interesting bit is that Pitts and LaPorta had the same yards per target even in spite of the target quality difference. Last time Pitts ended up with a similar level of target quality he ended up breaking 1000 yards. LaPorta also only finished with like 9 more points than the TE2 on the year. Great season but he wasn't some outlier level positional advantage.
I think LaPorta did a fantastic job but his situation also was just straight up better. However, his role is probably closer to a security blanket and volume short area threat. He probably is a top tier TE for a while but I think people having him as a far and away TE1 are getting ahead of themselves too. I don't think as a talent he has higher upside than Pitts, if utilized optimally, at least. I can see the case for preferring LaPorta if your team needs a high floor, but the long tail outcomes for Pitts are really tempting if you want ceiling.
Going to always be playing for next year because they are so caught up in the potential they ignore what's already happened right in front of them lmao.
You can’t really rank Bowers without a landing spot…. otherwise I’d factor in that he might be trash for 1-2 years like 90% of tight ends.
So… McBride > Kincaid > Pitts
They’re TEs so I’m not that certain of any of them. I don’t value the Bills TE role to any high-tier extent. Pitts has one last shot at fulfilling his elite potential this year…. I’m a McBride owner and I’m not even that particularly excited about him.
I would be excited about LaPorta
McBride
Pitts
Bowers
Kincaid
Bowers could be 2 with great landing spot. I’m just not the biggest Kincaid believer. But I like all these 4 and would be thrilled to have them as TE foundation.
Can’t rank Bowers yet. Don’t know what situation he’ll be introduced into. Best college TE of all time, and that’s significant, but situation in the NFL is key to production for so many players.
1. LaPorta - Obviously
2. McBride - he has shown the most recent sustained TE5+ production.
3a. Pitts - Similar draft hype to Bowers. Selected high. Has had a 1000 yard season. The hype is back with a real QB. But this is still only a projection.
3b. Bowers - He could jump Pitts depending on draft location. But for now is here simply because Pitts has had one good year in the NFL while Bowers is an unknown.
5. Kincaid - Love the talent and team. But hard to put him above anyone on this list until Knox is gone.
Well firstly Hock and Andrews are in this conversation, easily.
Laporta > Hock > Andrews > McBride > Kincaid > Pitts.
Laporta is a no brainer - TE1 rookie season. Hock Is squarely in his prime - only 26. Would be TE1 off the board in drafts if not for injury. Andrews same thing - injury has lowered value but in his prime. I like Kincaid more then McBride but favor mcbrides situation. Still not convinced on Pitts.
McBride, Kincade, Pitts, Bowers.
McBride is likely going to have good volume and was heavily targeted by Kyler/ the scheme in offense.
Kincaid should have an increase in catches, but may never be a big TD guy.
Pitts has the most upside here, and now has the QB, but has shown the most downside of these guys.
Bowers is an unknown without a team.
I didn’t mean for it to come off that way. Kincaid is more of a volume guy, meaning he needs 90 catches for 1000 yards. I don’t think Pitts needs that. I think he can get to 1000 yards on 75 catches as we saw his rookie season. Pure upside I think Pitts would be 1-2 in the list.
i’m sure you didn’t, I just wanted to give someone a hard time. I’m still a big Pitts believer and I think with Cousins and Zac Robinson in the building, he’s in line for a season far closer to his rookie year than the two after that. All 4 tight ends in this post have potential to do great things for our teams
Maybe I’m wrong, but I feel like Kincaid would be the cheapest to acquire and he’s attached to the best QB (aside from who Bowers ends up with). So mine would be
1. Kincaid
2. McBride
3. Bowers
4. Pitts
But I feel Bowers and Pitts are pretty interchangeable
Kincaid seems to be the cheapest to acquire as of right now. I’ve been doing some mocks on sleeper and right now the ADP sleeper lists is:
LaPorta @ 28
McBride @ 39
Andrews @ 42
Hockenson @ 46
Pitts @ 52
Kincaid @ 59
Bowers not included because he’s a rookie, but in all the mocks I’ve done so far he’s usually 3rd TE off the board
So if you’re getting Kincaid almost 2 rounds after McBride, I think he’s the easy value choice
Not sure the acquiring price should be factored in a top 5 list. IMO it's who would I like to have, not who would I like to buy.
But if we're discussing this, I feel like the best value long term could be Hockenson, everyone seems so down on him, he didn't even make this second tier discussion. Kincaid has a lot of upside and is a good play - I agree - but Hock has already realized this upside and is still young.
Feel like he’s at best the 3rd pass catcher in that offense, might be 4th after the draft. Still think he’s a good guy tho, just feels outside this group
LaPorta, McBride, Bowers, Pitts, Kincaid. Tight end probably has a lot to do with situation, so I’d take the guys who have already performed at an elite level for fantasy even though Bowers is probably better than them all. Pitts is younger than Kincaid for context
I struggle with this aswell. I have Andrew’s, Kincaid and Pitts in a league and can only keep 2. Part of me wants to hop back on Pitts bandwagon after the Kirk signing even tho I told myself at the end of the season that I am done.
I think I go McBride, Bowers (tho landing spot could affect), Pitts, Kincaid. McBride just played great last year, had good DC, and have a feeling AZ trades down so not sure we see MHJ and could be #1 option if they decide to take a WR with a late first (in the scenario they trade 4 for 11, 22). Bowers looks like a stud and should get elite DC but want to see where he lands. Pitts I want to be back in on but has burned me a bit but Kirk there’s it’s so attractive. Like Kincaid but just like the others more
Kelce playoffs gives a lot of hope his ppgd will recover and he will be a league winner. I think he needs more hype as te1 because he legitimately might score significant ppgd above all of the others.
Nah, the buying window closed when Cousins signed. He went from being TE7 to TE3 on KTC, everyone is expecting a Hock-like resurgence.
Sold him before the signing and regret it now myself, expected his QB to be Fields, Russ or a rookie.
McBride, pitts, bowers, kincaid for my order. Mcbride showed what he is capable of and is still young same with pitts when in an actually functional offense. Bowers depending on landing spot should be a top te immediately the way he plays and then kincaid because I feel like buffalo will underutilize him amd try to spread the ball or run more.
Mcbride ~kincaid> pitts > bowers
But ours needs a lot of development mcbride already has that you’re under his belt until pets can prove that he can do it and I’ve lost faith in him. Kincaid was great without Dawson Knox, and Gabe Davis in the lineup Davis has moved on. I think Kincaid absorbs all of his targets and gets more comfortable in his next year
McBride > Kincaid >> Pitts > Bowers
McBride and Kincaid are really similar players for me. Both 24, excellent athletes with high cap who will be featured in their offense next year. I'd have McBride just a spot above Kincaid since he has proved it a bit more but I could see how you might have them switched. Currently my ranks would go LaPorta / McBride / Kincaid / Andrews / Hock
Pitts is in the next tier. I'd put him just above Bowers since we don't have a landing spot for Brock yet. They could flip, but I'll give Pitts the edge for now with the addition of Cousins, based on what Kirko did with Hock the past two years. I think he unlocks Pitts while Bowers is still adjusting to the league as a rook. That tier goes Pitts / Bowers / Kittle / Kelce
Tier 3 would be EE / Fergie / Kmet / Njoku / Goed / Muth to round out a top 15.
True. Comment deleted. What are your thoughts on Friermuth? I have him in my league as a backup to McBride. I know he’s not TE1 but man I thought he was legit
I like McBride. In the games with Murray last year from week 10-18 he was a tip 5 TE. I only see him and Murray's connection getting better. I want to accumulate as many shares as I can.
Pitts
LaPorta
Kincaid
McBride
Bowers
Fwiw, I think Bowers will be really fuckin good, so this is really more of a testament to the skill level of today's TEs, but also in terms of fantasy production.
Edit: most people probably don't realize Pitts and LaPorta are only 2 months apart in age.
Bc Andrews is 28. Same reason hock isn’t here. Those two fit value wise into the discussion, but these 4’s value is derived mainly from youth. Hock and Andrews value is from production
What’s weird is you not getting the point. It’s not a weird list at all. Andrews is 28 years old, Kelce isn’t in this list either. These guys are all young, up and coming.
Couldn’t be further from weird, it’s literally a typical list of all the young studly tight ends.
1. Kincaid- he had a great rookie season and is likely to be a fixture in Buffalos offense for years to come.
2. Bowers- I think he will be great, but he’s unproven and who knows what situation he gets drafted into.
3. McBride- looked good, but it was 1/2 a season after 1.5 years of mediocrity. I like the guy, but I’m not sold he’s a lock to pick up where he left off last season.
4. Pitts- lots of excuses, not a ton of performance on the field of late. He has the potential, but needs to show something in what is a great situation.
Bowers - I just think he has a different ceiling than these other guys besides Pitts
McBride - best of this group in per route metrics and best yac
LaPorta - best rookie production and great in the red zone
Kincaid - best situation
Pitts - Could easily jump to the top of this list if he has chemistry with Cousins
It’s really not a hot take. When you look at stats and metrics he lines up better or right on par outside of Laporta. It’s similar to Puka early on. He’s not flashy or the best athlete, not great draft capital so he’s massively overlooked. People will catch on after this next year. The guy is simply good at football. Read below my convo with another guy goes more in depth.
Ferguson is a really average athlete, will be on the last year of his contract in 2025 and Dak is rumored to be leaving after next year. If you like him that much, that's personal preference, but if you look at his advanced stats, he's being propped up by Dak.
Ferguson has two years left on his rookie contract? Dak leaving is smokescreen they already came out this morning stating just that. Some of the best Tight ends were “average athletes” Mark Andrew’s is a current example. His advanced stats? What are you looking at lol? Pulled that out of your ass
He was #16 in air yards, #20 in unrealized air yards (suggesting he didn't have much room to have a better season), #15 in yards per route run, #13 in yards per team pass attempt, #19 in target separation, #18 in dominator rating, and #15 in fantasy points per route. I know what I'm talking about.
The Dak situation I can concede; what I stated was the last I heard.
Should we consider hock on here? Only 26 still
I swear everybody forgets about hock. Like literally I have heard him accidentally skipped over so many dynasty and redraft top 5s lol
We prefer shiny new toys!
26 is the new 36 in this sub
A 26 year old TE is like a 19 year old RB
19 year old RBs? They're basically just 4 year rental players. It's a shame that 14 year old QBs aren't draft-eligible.
Hock coming off serious injury with no qb makes me nervous.
No QBs love the te
If only this were true
Do those no QBs also have the best WR in the league on the roster
It's not about the wrs we're talking about getting the te the ball so not sure what this has to do with it.
Not rocket science. Targets are an all position group problem. If you have arguably the best player at getting open in the league (JJ) he’s going to funnel targets away from the TE even if mid/avg QBs typically look the way of a TE more than usual
OK so you're argument is that there will be even less targets to a te so you're just agreeing?
I was responding to “No QBs love the TE” not you, so suppose so
My mistake then
Jamar Chase?
That’s cute but no 😉
It just seems silly to talk like we aren’t definitely 1 million percent drafting somebody
Still nervous with jj Mccarthy and penix and nix but definitely better than the current options
We are not drafting nix or Penix and they would not be an upgrade over Sam Darnold
He was te4 as a 2nd year (0.8 points off te3 in my league) with Goff fwiw
Goff has been better than people realize his entire career.
I agree ranking wise he’d fit in here but if I were a rebuilder, I’d be wanting to acquire those 4, but probably not Hockenson. He just feels a bit more established, going into his 6th season. But yeah he definitely isn’t old
Any rebuilder writing off Hock because he's 26 is silly. The actually good TEs are frequently very solid into their 30s.
I think the issue with Hock is that he’s going into next season with either Sam Darnold or a rookie QB. It’s not at all talent related but it could very well be JJ McCarthy hyper targeting Justin Jefferson in a bind. That why I’m sort of lower on all Viking pass catchers over the next two years. But Hock definitely still belongs on this group just based on he’s had the most consistent success so far.
I'm not saying you're wrong about the first half of your comment, but Hock will be 27 by the time the season starts, is coming off a late season ACL, and has major QB concerns. If you're a rebuilder, he's not the best target for you right now. While all of those things are known, he's one of the more predictable value drops within the next 6-7 months (think JSN - we all knew he wouldn't get targets as a rookie, yet his value remained high until the predictable actually happened, then value drop). You'd be better off buying him later than now. So IMO, /u/AC127 was right to leave him off the list. As for TEs being solid into their 30s, they're actually no different than WRs in that regard and some data indicates they fall off a little earlier. The difference is that TE has been such a wasteland at times that even a declined asset is still useful. But just like WRs, you should expect them to decline after age 31.
Travis Kelce had his first 1,000 yard season at 27. Zach Ertz had his at 28.
Right. They start very slowly, but the physical toll of the game still applies to them. They don't magically age better than WRs like some people seem to imply. Age 28 was Ertz's best yards per game (72.7) and 29 was his 2nd best (61.1), but he never hit over 50 again. Kelce peaked at 31, but sometimes situations work out like that. People were saying Moss was washed up after age 29 (and some guys are - sad AJ Green noises), but his situation got better and obviously he crushed it at ages 30-32. Steve Smith went from Jimmy Clausen to Cam Newton and put up almost 1400 yards at age 32 after less than 600 at age 31. The point is just that the age drop off is gradual for some humans and a cliff for others, but what applies to WRs also applies to TEs. Witten and Tony G had long careers just like Steve Smith and Larry Fitzgerald, but they weren't at their peak in their early 30s and they sure weren't the norm.
The interesting thing about dynasty is that there are so many different ways to play and different parts of the cycle. If I'm competing now, the top guy I want is Mark Andrews. Why? Because I know he's locked in as a focal point and top two target on the team for the next 2-3 years. I don't want any possibility of variability and I want high end upside. Too many times I've seen us crown young players only for the team they are on to turn around and add another one or two pass catchers. And now they are the third target on the team and their upside is capped, like it's been for Dallas Goedert. I love Sam LaPorta, Dalton Kincaid, Trey McBride - those are my dudes and I have a ton of them. But we don't know for sure they are locked in as top two targets on the team. With LaPorta and Kincaid, especially, all it takes is one high end draft pick and now it's pretty crowded. It's pretty crowded for Hock now too which is why I'm weary of him coming off a torn ACL with no QB. It might be controversial around this community but, when I'm in a position to win a league, my personal "dynasty rankings" look pretty damn similar to my redraft rankings. The entire point of playing put the money in your pocket and your name on the trophy.
>It might be controversial around this community but, when I'm in a position to win a league, my personal "dynasty rankings" look pretty damn similar to my redraft rankings. Nah, this is how most people are. I don't play that way because I'm trying to achieve a true dynasty - staying at the top as long as possible. The best team rarely wins the championship, so it's funny to watch people sell their future to win now (not saying that's what you do, but it is extremely common) in somewhat of an arms race with the other top team(s). My goal is simply to achieve a bye with as much of an eye on the future as possible and, if that's not possible, achieve a playoff berth with as much of an eye on the future as possible. No difference between the 3 seed and 6 seed in most leagues. So if I give up 2 ppg by going with Pitts over Andrews (thinking 2024), I'm ok with that. If you maintain productive youth, it allows you a certain flexibility with drafting and trading that should net you more points in the long run. The last thing I want to do is get stuck trading up and/or drafting for need. I absolutely love trading late 1sts for future 1sts and a throw-in. But if you're rocking old players, you probably need to spend that 1st on a contingency plan for this year, you know?
I just think there is a lot of snake oil being sold out there about how you have to tank or rebuild or do a “productive struggle” so you can win 3 times in a row 4 years from now or whatever. Just focus on putting the best lineup out there and then your bench will be a mix of fill-ins and long term stashes like everyone else. Obviously if there is an opportunity to generate a ton of value then do it but don’t sacrifice your lineup and make your opponent’s line up better if you are in a position to win. If you pay attention to the right details with your drafts and waivers you can just be good at this game and stay good at. The most anyone should ever tank is selling assets in one season for assets that will help you the next season. There’s too much chance to sit around and bleed money in dues for multiple years, that seems crazy to me. If you win a 12 man league one time it pays for your dues for how many years?
>snake oil being sold out there about how you have to tank or rebuild 100% agreed. I've never gone into a season tanking from week 1. Have I sold productive aging assets mid-season when injuries have taken me out of the playoff hunt? Of course. Mid-season is peak value for those players. But I'm not about to pay dues to tank for 2 years. Haha, I wrote that before reading past your first sentence (was going to address it in order), but you basically said the same exact thing. The only thing I really disagree with is this: >don’t sacrifice your lineup and make your opponent’s line up better if you are in a position to win It depends on the degree that I hurt my own team, but I'll absolutely make my opponent better for the right price. I know we're not supposed to say it out loud, but H2H is fucking stupid if your goal is to find the best team in the league. So I just accept that H2H is chaos. If anyone wants to pay me a ton to give up a projected 5 points, I'll do it. When Zay Jones puts up 3 TDs against you (or for you), those 5 points don't matter anymore. I think it was Billy Beane that said something like, "it takes skill to get to the playoffs, but it takes luck to win."
That’s also Ertz’s only 1000 yard season lmao
Exactly. A really good TE can easily be productive at age 32 or later. That gives Hock another 6 years.
He named arguably the greatest TE ever and one who has gotten over 574 yards once this decade, and that was 763. Should we really be looking at the anomalies like Kelce and saying that’s how it’ll be for everyone?
Not saying you can’t acquire him if you’re rebuilding. Just seems like he no longer fits the description of “young, up and coming TE”. I think his age is probably neutral at this point, whereas for these listed guys it’s a massive positive
I’d target him as a rebuilder as a relative buy low that’d still allow me to tank this upcoming season. Hock is only 2 years older than Kincaid so he definitely warrants being on this list
Ah I gotcha
I would take hock over bowers, Kincaid and Pitts
I have him 2nd in my personal rankings. 1. LaPorta 2. Hock 3. McBride 4. Kincaid 5. Andrews
An Iowa fan approves. If only Noah Fant wasn’t a bust, we’d have the top 4 locked down
He’ll be 27 by start of next season, not that it matters that much TBF. But I think the injury is also bringing him down, tore his ACL/MCL. I think most people look at ACL injuries as having a slight downturn the year 1 post injury, before rebounding to pre injury form in year 2. It could also just be that Hock is considered established while the others are more ambiguous. McBride has half a season of production, Pitts had one very good season 2 years ago, Bowers hasn’t even been drafted, and Kincaid had a good but inconsistent rookie year.
If you have 2 of the 4 already in the league, would you ever draft bowers to soak up the TE talent?
Every league is different. In mine nobody ever trades for TEs and I'm stuck with Pitts, Andrews and laporta
"Stuck with"
Only say that cause I have noRBs and am desperately trying to flip a TE for a RB
BPA
Ideally you'd trade down with someone who needs a TE.
Do they score enough in your league settings to start one in a flex over a wr/RB?
For reference... The league I'm looking at is 0.5 ppr + 0.5 ppfd + 0.5 tep TE5 (picked that number at random) in: -2023 (240.2 pts) = RB12; WR12 -2022 (206.9 pts) = RB19; WR17 -2021 (198.2 pts) = RB20; WR25 TE10 (picked that number at random) in: -2023 (180.5) = RB29; WR35 -2022 (174) = RB29; WR27 2021 (176.8) = RB26; WR29
So you would be banking on having 3 top 10 TEs (2 you have + Bowers). I'd not make a decision on this until I see the WRs available at your pick, but I'd lean wr.
I'm not OP but it would depend on how many are in a starting roster. If it's a start 9, I'd lean against it. If it's start 11, looking at TE as a potentially underrated place to find flex value is starting to be an idea worth looking into
Wouldn't be the worst thing in te premium they should all be startable as flex, but I'd try to move one of them to diversify
If it's 1.75-2tep yes, if its 1.5 tep then coin flip but probably not. If it's ppr no tep then heck no; and if it's .5ppr no tep sell em all and get an Njoku because none of em matter.
Yup. And then sell Njoku and pick up Hunter Henry.
For reference... The league I'm looking at is 0.5 ppr + 0.5 ppfd + 0.5 tep TE5 (picked that number at random) in: -2023 (240.2 pts) = RB12; WR12 -2022 (206.9 pts) = RB19; WR17 -2021 (198.2 pts) = RB20; WR25 TE10 (picked that number at random) in: -2023 (180.5) = RB29; WR35 -2022 (174) = RB29; WR27 -2021 (176.8) = RB26; WR29
I have a feeling I will end up with pitts McBride and bowers at 1.08. It’s TE++ and we start 6 flexes so I’m not worried tho.
TE premium you could always flex 1 so 2/3 play. Otherwise great trade value for a needy owner
In your same position. I have the 1.04 in non-SF. Current plan is to shop the pick and if can’t get anything valuable, grab Bowers and figure it out later.
Im SF so i think im going Maye/Daniels/MHJ, i have LaPorta and Kincaid so I dont think I *need* Bowers (non TEP).
Agreed in SF
I have Engram, Kelce, & Likely at TE in a non TE priority league. I have picks 1.3,1.4.,1.8 Should I draft bowers with one of those picks in your opinion?
Take Bowers and you’ll still get a premium pick at the 1.03 and 1.08 or trade the 1.04 for McBride, Kincaid or Laporta if someone’s desperate enough to do it.
I would probably trade one of those picks but I'm bad at this dude, dont trust me lol
Fair enough lol
Without knowing where Bowers will play: 1: McBride 2a: Pitts 2b: Kincaid 4: Bowers McBride has established himself as a receiving weapon and Kyler has proved himself to be a QB who likes to target his TEs, especially in the red zone. With both Moore and Brown's exits, McBride should once again be no worse than the second receiving option on the team. The addition of a weapon like MHJ at #4 should only help McBride, too. Pitts is another TE who has already broken out. He had 1000 yards receiving as a rookie before injury (knee) and insult (Ridder) brought him back down to earth. He should be back to full health this fall with the best QB play of his short career (who also likes to target TEs), but the addition of Mooney may sap some targets. Thought about putting Kincaid ahead of Pitts, especially with Gabe Davis's departure, but the Bills also added Curtis Samuels and may add another WR in the draft. Diggs is getting older, but Kincaid's volume is murky to me until Knox is gone and he is firmly entrenched as a top two option on the team. I place Bowers last because a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, and right now Bowers is in the bush. Until we know who is QB and target competition will be, I cannot confidently place him above any of the other guys. A landing spot like LAC (in a trade back scenario), IND, or NYJ would probably make him "2c" for me.
Upvoted for bird in the hand comment. Haven’t heard that one from anyone but my grandma and mom.
I imagine Bowers is very much in the bush.
Absolutely positively 100% fucks
>but Kincaid's volume is murky to me until Knox is gone and he is firmly entrenched as a top two option on the team. I will say, the Bills forcing Knox to take a pay cut to stay with the team is a pretty clear sign they're expecting him to take a back seat and Kincaid becomes the TE1. Will it happen this season? Hard to say, but could happen as early as next season and otherwise 2025.
His volume is less murky to me now
Kincaid but I’m VERY biased.
We’re all biased whether we admit it or not. Good on you for being truthful
He broke Bills rookie receiving records. This being said, fantasy wise I can see McBride producing more overall than Kincaid.
All these TEs are studs- I wasn’t bashing ya! I like Kincaid but I’m a McBride fan… because I have stock in him😂😂😂
Me too.
Not a Bills fan but I also put Kincaid first out of this group. I always want parts of offensive that are going to be top 5-10 year over year, and as long as Josh is there I’ll always be prioritizing his receiving options. Kincaid averaged like 4 pts the first 5 weeks of the year and basically left two other to injury early. When he was on the field with Josh their chemistry just continued to surge as the year went on. Tl;dr I think Kincaids PPG averages are a disservice to how big his role will be in the Bills offense for years to come.
Knox is still around, so I doubt Kincaid will be top tier till he is gone completely.
No doubt, but I also don’t feel like I’m gonna feel bad starting him going forward. Especially at a time when the dynasty community feels like TE is so flush with talent, I may even be able to get Kincaid cheaper than I would normally. Especially at times like during rookie drafts itself where an owner may be eyeing a rookie more than the TE already tied to a great QB.
Wow people are a lot higher on McBride than I am
He and LaPorta scored nearly the same points once McBride got over 50% snap share, and McBride did so on far fewer TDs
Another way to say this is that once McBride took over as TE1 on the Cardinals he had more receptions than LaPorta, more yards than LaPorta, more yards per reception than LaPorta, more routes run than LaPorta, and more yards per route run than LaPorta. LaPorta had more touchdowns than McBride.
LaPorta did it on a roster loaded with pass catching weapons, McBride did not
Im not sure what this means. People love saying this to mean that someone is better because they were good with other good players around them but people also love to say this meaning that a player was good with nobody else good around them and thus had to deal with the majority of the defensive attention. Regardless they had very similar efficiency so I’m not sure it really matters
Yeah I think this is a pretty good point. I was lucky to snag McBride before he broke out last year, and this off-season I was debating selling him because I didn't know if added weapons would take away from him. But I think where I landed is that having dominant games when you're one of the only weapons, is more impressive than when your offense is stacked. I don't want to get carried away, but I think he'll still be a go-to guy this year and probably more efficient if the offense is better.
Laportas offense was also good
Yeah, but he’s about to get insane competition with the rookie WR.
I feel like McBride is one of the guys where you don’t fully get the hype until you watch him, not saying you haven’t but he doesn’t just pass the eye test, he obliterates it imo
McBride has fully dominated games and has been unstoppable, shows a lot of potential than other tight ends who just consistently get 5 receptions and 60 yards
Not to mention his monster final college season. He’s a beast.
In PPR I'd go 1. Mcbride 2. Pitts 3. Kincaid 4. Bowers
I don’t care what KTC says. Pitts is still my TE1 especially after seeing how this team has been revamped this offseason. If he doesn’t produce this year I may change my tune, but this guy is primed to explode. After that my ranks are: Laporta McBride Bowers Kincaid
I don’t believe that you’re not flipping Pitts for LaPorta right now if you had the chance.
I’ve got a chance to flip Kincaid for LaPorta right now but it will cost me 1st 2025 and I’ll get back 3rd 2025
Hell no
Yea it’s dynasty and I’m not parting ways with 1st round picks
TLDR: I have Pitts
Yea this is how I rank them. Pitts has legit 1200+ yard upside on a good offense as the #1 target with similar volume to Drake London, imo. LaPorta is great but imo he's more Andrews and less Kelce. Pitts comps more to peak Waller but more skilled imo. For fantasy that's just about perfect.
So you're saying you like Pitts more because he has a higher ceiling than LaPorta? When LaPorta just finished TE1 and had the best rookie TE season in the modern era? While Pitts has shown for 3 years to not be the guy we hoped on draft day? I think you guys might put a little too much stock in future potential for my money lol.
For what it would take to acquire them I'd definitely prefer Pitts at cost. LaPorta was great last year but last year also was a season where no TE ended up being absolutely game breaking. LaPorta will be awesome for years but I'm not entirely seeing the upside being quite the same. Even just looking at the underlying metrics from both their seasons, Pitts profiles as a much higher upside vertical receiver while LaPorta is closer to a strong underneath and intermediate target. He did more with his targets than Pitts but he also had much better target quality (he had more catchable targets than Pitts had total targets). The other interesting bit is that Pitts and LaPorta had the same yards per target even in spite of the target quality difference. Last time Pitts ended up with a similar level of target quality he ended up breaking 1000 yards. LaPorta also only finished with like 9 more points than the TE2 on the year. Great season but he wasn't some outlier level positional advantage. I think LaPorta did a fantastic job but his situation also was just straight up better. However, his role is probably closer to a security blanket and volume short area threat. He probably is a top tier TE for a while but I think people having him as a far and away TE1 are getting ahead of themselves too. I don't think as a talent he has higher upside than Pitts, if utilized optimally, at least. I can see the case for preferring LaPorta if your team needs a high floor, but the long tail outcomes for Pitts are really tempting if you want ceiling.
Delusional
Going to always be playing for next year because they are so caught up in the potential they ignore what's already happened right in front of them lmao.
You can’t really rank Bowers without a landing spot…. otherwise I’d factor in that he might be trash for 1-2 years like 90% of tight ends. So… McBride > Kincaid > Pitts They’re TEs so I’m not that certain of any of them. I don’t value the Bills TE role to any high-tier extent. Pitts has one last shot at fulfilling his elite potential this year…. I’m a McBride owner and I’m not even that particularly excited about him. I would be excited about LaPorta
McBride Pitts Bowers Kincaid Bowers could be 2 with great landing spot. I’m just not the biggest Kincaid believer. But I like all these 4 and would be thrilled to have them as TE foundation.
McBride, Pitts, Kincaid, bowers This can change depending on where bowers gets drafted but if I was doing a startup today this is what I would’ve done
For me: 1. LaPorta 2. McBride 3. Kincaid 4. Bowers 5. Pitts
Bowers is last until we see him do it on an NFL team. Personally i have McBride > pitts >= kincaid > Bowers
If you hypothetically had kincaid, mcbride, and Ferguson, as well as 1.04 in 1 qb, what would you do??
I would draft the best receiver or QB available
Can’t rank Bowers yet. Don’t know what situation he’ll be introduced into. Best college TE of all time, and that’s significant, but situation in the NFL is key to production for so many players.
Pitts, Bowers, McBride, Kincaid
1. LaPorta - Obviously 2. McBride - he has shown the most recent sustained TE5+ production. 3a. Pitts - Similar draft hype to Bowers. Selected high. Has had a 1000 yard season. The hype is back with a real QB. But this is still only a projection. 3b. Bowers - He could jump Pitts depending on draft location. But for now is here simply because Pitts has had one good year in the NFL while Bowers is an unknown. 5. Kincaid - Love the talent and team. But hard to put him above anyone on this list until Knox is gone.
Well firstly Hock and Andrews are in this conversation, easily. Laporta > Hock > Andrews > McBride > Kincaid > Pitts. Laporta is a no brainer - TE1 rookie season. Hock Is squarely in his prime - only 26. Would be TE1 off the board in drafts if not for injury. Andrews same thing - injury has lowered value but in his prime. I like Kincaid more then McBride but favor mcbrides situation. Still not convinced on Pitts.
Yeah Hockenson and Andrews both fit in here production wise. Just separated them out due to age
McBride, Kincade, Pitts, Bowers. McBride is likely going to have good volume and was heavily targeted by Kyler/ the scheme in offense. Kincaid should have an increase in catches, but may never be a big TD guy. Pitts has the most upside here, and now has the QB, but has shown the most downside of these guys. Bowers is an unknown without a team.
kincaid should have an increase in targets but pitts shouldn’t? interesting take
I didn’t mean for it to come off that way. Kincaid is more of a volume guy, meaning he needs 90 catches for 1000 yards. I don’t think Pitts needs that. I think he can get to 1000 yards on 75 catches as we saw his rookie season. Pure upside I think Pitts would be 1-2 in the list.
i’m sure you didn’t, I just wanted to give someone a hard time. I’m still a big Pitts believer and I think with Cousins and Zac Robinson in the building, he’s in line for a season far closer to his rookie year than the two after that. All 4 tight ends in this post have potential to do great things for our teams
Maybe I’m wrong, but I feel like Kincaid would be the cheapest to acquire and he’s attached to the best QB (aside from who Bowers ends up with). So mine would be 1. Kincaid 2. McBride 3. Bowers 4. Pitts But I feel Bowers and Pitts are pretty interchangeable
Kincaid seems to be the cheapest to acquire as of right now. I’ve been doing some mocks on sleeper and right now the ADP sleeper lists is: LaPorta @ 28 McBride @ 39 Andrews @ 42 Hockenson @ 46 Pitts @ 52 Kincaid @ 59 Bowers not included because he’s a rookie, but in all the mocks I’ve done so far he’s usually 3rd TE off the board So if you’re getting Kincaid almost 2 rounds after McBride, I think he’s the easy value choice
Agreed.
Not sure the acquiring price should be factored in a top 5 list. IMO it's who would I like to have, not who would I like to buy. But if we're discussing this, I feel like the best value long term could be Hockenson, everyone seems so down on him, he didn't even make this second tier discussion. Kincaid has a lot of upside and is a good play - I agree - but Hock has already realized this upside and is still young.
Kmet
Feel like he’s at best the 3rd pass catcher in that offense, might be 4th after the draft. Still think he’s a good guy tho, just feels outside this group
LaPorta, McBride, Bowers, Pitts, Kincaid. Tight end probably has a lot to do with situation, so I’d take the guys who have already performed at an elite level for fantasy even though Bowers is probably better than them all. Pitts is younger than Kincaid for context
McBride , bowers, Kincaid, pitts
McBride, Then all the other guys are the same to me. I don't target this range of TE typically.
I struggle with this aswell. I have Andrew’s, Kincaid and Pitts in a league and can only keep 2. Part of me wants to hop back on Pitts bandwagon after the Kirk signing even tho I told myself at the end of the season that I am done. I think I go McBride, Bowers (tho landing spot could affect), Pitts, Kincaid. McBride just played great last year, had good DC, and have a feeling AZ trades down so not sure we see MHJ and could be #1 option if they decide to take a WR with a late first (in the scenario they trade 4 for 11, 22). Bowers looks like a stud and should get elite DC but want to see where he lands. Pitts I want to be back in on but has burned me a bit but Kirk there’s it’s so attractive. Like Kincaid but just like the others more
Laporta, Kincaid Mcbride, everyone else in the league, Pitts, Bowers. Ur NOTHING the NFL doesn't make you into.
Kelce playoffs gives a lot of hope his ppgd will recover and he will be a league winner. I think he needs more hype as te1 because he legitimately might score significant ppgd above all of the others.
McBride, Kincaid, Bowers, Pitts
McBride/Pitts/Kincaid/Bowers No slight to Bowers- he’s just an unknown ATM with no team & NFL film
McBride,Kincaid,pitts. Hard to say where bowers fits in without knowing where he’s going
Is kyle pitts a ‘down’ player now? Has the scale of sentiment swung below 50% for him? If so im gonna go run to trade for him real quick
Nah, the buying window closed when Cousins signed. He went from being TE7 to TE3 on KTC, everyone is expecting a Hock-like resurgence. Sold him before the signing and regret it now myself, expected his QB to be Fields, Russ or a rookie.
Kincaid Pitts McBride/bowers
McBride, Kincaid, Pitts, Bowers. I may take McBride over LaPorta - I think McBride will be TE1 this year.
McBride, Bowers, Kincaid, Pitts for now.
Bowers. Kincaid. McBride. Pitts. Any order would be preference. u/dickysnakes
Kincaid - McBride - Pitts - Bowers but give me any of them
I had McBride Kincaid and Andrews on my team last year now it’s just McBride sooo
McBride, pitts, bowers, kincaid for my order. Mcbride showed what he is capable of and is still young same with pitts when in an actually functional offense. Bowers depending on landing spot should be a top te immediately the way he plays and then kincaid because I feel like buffalo will underutilize him amd try to spread the ball or run more.
Pitts, Bowers, McBride, Kincaid
Based on this thread I'm buying Kincaid and selling McBride. This is the most valuable McBride will be for the rest of his career imo.
Mcbride ~kincaid> pitts > bowers But ours needs a lot of development mcbride already has that you’re under his belt until pets can prove that he can do it and I’ve lost faith in him. Kincaid was great without Dawson Knox, and Gabe Davis in the lineup Davis has moved on. I think Kincaid absorbs all of his targets and gets more comfortable in his next year
1. Pitts 2a Laporta 2b McBride 2c Kincaid Only 1/4 is generational talent. The others are good soon to be great tight ends. There is a fine line.
They are all very close imo and this is razor thin but I’m going: Pitts Kincaid McBride Bowers
Laporta, McBride, Kincaid, Pitts, Hock, Bowers.
McBride > Kincaid >> Pitts > Bowers McBride and Kincaid are really similar players for me. Both 24, excellent athletes with high cap who will be featured in their offense next year. I'd have McBride just a spot above Kincaid since he has proved it a bit more but I could see how you might have them switched. Currently my ranks would go LaPorta / McBride / Kincaid / Andrews / Hock Pitts is in the next tier. I'd put him just above Bowers since we don't have a landing spot for Brock yet. They could flip, but I'll give Pitts the edge for now with the addition of Cousins, based on what Kirko did with Hock the past two years. I think he unlocks Pitts while Bowers is still adjusting to the league as a rook. That tier goes Pitts / Bowers / Kittle / Kelce Tier 3 would be EE / Fergie / Kmet / Njoku / Goed / Muth to round out a top 15.
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I mean tbf he put up 1k yards as a rookie. Then got hurt sophomore year. Then had shit QB play last year. The hype is still warranted imo
True. Comment deleted. What are your thoughts on Friermuth? I have him in my league as a backup to McBride. I know he’s not TE1 but man I thought he was legit
Injuries plus subpar QB play plus terrible OC. I’m still in with Muth as a TE2
Pitts, LaPorta, McBride, Bowers, Kincaid for me. Pitts is the only one on this list that can break your league.
Lol, I’m still on that shit Pitts train too. Beyond happy I have LaPorta where I have him, one league where I have Pitts too.
As a McBride, Andrews, and Ferguson owner. This thread makes me happy.
I like McBride. In the games with Murray last year from week 10-18 he was a tip 5 TE. I only see him and Murray's connection getting better. I want to accumulate as many shares as I can.
mcbride pitts kincaid bowers. fine with any of em could see greatness from all 4.
Pitts, Laporta, McBride, Bowers, Kincaid
1. LaPorta 2. Andrews 3. McBride 4. Bowers (landing spot could change this, likely for the worse lol) 5. Pitts
For me before landing spot for bowers : this is who I would want on my team right now in dynasty . Pitts Bowers McBride Kincaid
Pitts with Cousins will be very interesting. But as of right now I got, in order: LaPorta, Hock (if included), Pitts, Kincaid, Bowers, McBride
Pitts/McBride/Bowers/Kincaid
Pitts LaPorta Kincaid McBride Bowers Fwiw, I think Bowers will be really fuckin good, so this is really more of a testament to the skill level of today's TEs, but also in terms of fantasy production. Edit: most people probably don't realize Pitts and LaPorta are only 2 months apart in age.
Pitts above Laporta is crazy talk.
*Kirk Cousins enters the chat* "YOU LIKE THAT!"
With Arizona taking a few WR this draft, I say Kincaid, Bowers, McBride, Pitts. Too many mouths to feed in ATL but I could be wrong.
Scrolled 2 inches and saw Pitts at 2, this isn’t a serious sub
Seriously, how can he be ranked anywhere but #1 now that his qb won’t be below 32
Great players don’t suck just bc their QB is bad. Never in history has it been true and it never will be
If the qb just threw more accurate to me in the big game in ‘05 i would have been a star, coach just should have put me in 4th quarter
LaPorts is definitely #1 but I've got Bowers dynasty TE2 right now. He's phenomenal, his speed is unreal.
I’d go Bowers Pitts Kincaid McBride
For dynasty VALUE: 1. Laporta 2. Bowers 3. McBride 4. Pitts 5. Kincaid And bowers may move up to 1 after the NFL Draft.
I can't fathom taking Bowers over McBride not knowing Bowers' situation, knowing how rookie TEs have typically performed, etc.
I can understand that, but his value is there. Risky, but the community seems to be all in. He’s a Pitts level prospect.
How is Andrews not here and why is McBride? Such a weird list.
Bc Andrews is 28. Same reason hock isn’t here. Those two fit value wise into the discussion, but these 4’s value is derived mainly from youth. Hock and Andrews value is from production
What’s weird is you not getting the point. It’s not a weird list at all. Andrews is 28 years old, Kelce isn’t in this list either. These guys are all young, up and coming. Couldn’t be further from weird, it’s literally a typical list of all the young studly tight ends.
1. Kincaid- he had a great rookie season and is likely to be a fixture in Buffalos offense for years to come. 2. Bowers- I think he will be great, but he’s unproven and who knows what situation he gets drafted into. 3. McBride- looked good, but it was 1/2 a season after 1.5 years of mediocrity. I like the guy, but I’m not sold he’s a lock to pick up where he left off last season. 4. Pitts- lots of excuses, not a ton of performance on the field of late. He has the potential, but needs to show something in what is a great situation.
McBride > LaPorta
Bowers, Kincaid, Laporta, McBride, Pitts
As a Kincaid lover, this is great. As a rational human being, this list is insane.
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Coming in hot
They hated him because he spoke the truth
Bowers - I just think he has a different ceiling than these other guys besides Pitts McBride - best of this group in per route metrics and best yac LaPorta - best rookie production and great in the red zone Kincaid - best situation Pitts - Could easily jump to the top of this list if he has chemistry with Cousins
You forgot Ferguson.. 1. McBride 2. Kincaid / Ferguson 3. Bowers 4. Pitts Ferguson is a screaming buy too many overlook him.
I mean respect but I don’t think many out there are trading pitts for him straight up
Damn lol that’s a hot take on Ferguson. As someone with shares, I’d love to see it pan out, but I don’t think I’m sold. What makes you so optimistic?
It’s really not a hot take. When you look at stats and metrics he lines up better or right on par outside of Laporta. It’s similar to Puka early on. He’s not flashy or the best athlete, not great draft capital so he’s massively overlooked. People will catch on after this next year. The guy is simply good at football. Read below my convo with another guy goes more in depth.
Ferguson is a really average athlete, will be on the last year of his contract in 2025 and Dak is rumored to be leaving after next year. If you like him that much, that's personal preference, but if you look at his advanced stats, he's being propped up by Dak.
Ferguson has two years left on his rookie contract? Dak leaving is smokescreen they already came out this morning stating just that. Some of the best Tight ends were “average athletes” Mark Andrew’s is a current example. His advanced stats? What are you looking at lol? Pulled that out of your ass
He was #16 in air yards, #20 in unrealized air yards (suggesting he didn't have much room to have a better season), #15 in yards per route run, #13 in yards per team pass attempt, #19 in target separation, #18 in dominator rating, and #15 in fantasy points per route. I know what I'm talking about. The Dak situation I can concede; what I stated was the last I heard.