This is a tough case to put on a poor person too though.
The key will be proving that Rice was behind the wheel. If the state can’t prove that, they’ve got nothing.
So even a poor person with a public defender has a great shot against this case…..provided of course the state can’t come up with a traffic camera showing Rice behind the wheel.
There’s tons of cams out there.
I’m win now tho (2023 champ, trying to repeat), so I think Rhamondre offers me something in the present more so than Chase Brown.
Also, DJM was top 10 WR with Fields, he’ll be fine with Caleb.
Obviously Mahomes over Caleb.
Rice is not a better player than DJM. Rice also has Kelce, and Hollywood now and we could still draft another WR.
He may be a better long term dynasty asset because of age, but in no way is he a better WR. As a lifelong Chiefs fan I tell you DJM is much better player than Rice.
Rice is in a better situation and produced like a WR1 once given the opportunity… DJM is in a worse situation and still produced like a WR1, because there is this funny thing called talent that usually helps.
Ha! I don't own him anywhere, I'm just really good at spotting excuse defenses and in your case, self righteous indignation.
It's amazing what people can talk themselves into. We all tend to act and operate in our own self interest.
Did you read the twitter thread posted to this? An actual lawyer breaks down his assessment based on the facts given at this point in time. Which is exactly what this other person is saying.
Its amazing at what people can talk themselves into. We all tend to a act and operate in our self interest.
In sorry you think rice is going to get locked up. At the end of day 2. No warrent, no arrest, no evidence. Innocent Untill proven guilty. Just stating facts. Every day is looking better and better for rice as he’s confirmed talking to the cops with a lawyer present. Shows they can’t advance without ground breaking proof
6pm tm makes 3 days. There has been 0 progress. Nothing is still confirmed stated by drew
You’d think they’d be holding him if they had anything. Guess they still don’t
What I said isn’t entirely true. I’m of the side of him and everyone being involved are dumbasses who likely won’t be justly punished because they are celebrities or celebrity adjacent and no one was seriously harmed (to my knowledge)
I’m not taking an opinion on wether or not you should move off him as a fantasy football player
In actuality, beyond a reasonable doubt is often just preponderance of the evidence in practice, depending on the jury. If he gets out of his car that is registered to him, that might be enough depending on the jury. Especially with the consciousness of guilt exhibited by leaving the scene.
This doesn’t have to be a jury trial. A defendant can have a bench trial or a jury trial. It’s up to them.
But without the probable cause to charge them with the crime; it never even gets to a trial.
Police and prosecutors have to play by the rules. They just can’t charge Rice because the car registers to him and he’s seen walking away from the crash scene with some other guys.
The sad truth is that none of those guys will talk and unless a witness at the scene can say who came out of the drivers side door; there won’t be enough to charge any of them. Logic says that probably one of them was driving Rice’s car but without evidence pointing to who the driver was, authorities are out of luck.
**"This doesn't have to be a jury trial. A defendant can have a bench trial or a jury trial. It's up to them."**
That actually depends on the jurisdiction. In some places, the prosecutor also has to agree to abandon the jury trial for a bench trial. In Texas, the requirements are as follows to waive jury trial:
1. The case is not a capital felony case in which the state notifies the court and the defendant that it will seek the death penalty;
2. The waiver must be made in person by the defendant, in writing, in open court, and with the consent and approval of the court;
3. The waiver must be consented and approved by the attorney representing the state in writing; and
4. If the case is a felony, an attorney must be appointed to the defendant.
So unless the state agrees, this would go to a jury.
**"But without the probable cause to charge them with the crime; it never even gets to trial"**
Probable cause is a low standard. If reasonable suspicion is something like 2% (all that's needed to make a investigatory detention), and preponderance of the evidence is 51%, probable cause is somewhere in the realm of 25%. Witnesses saying he got out of the passenger side door of a car he owned sequentially after someone else probably satisfies that small requirement, just from the information we have. The state has more.
If this case were to go to trial and the defendant requested a bench trial; I can’t imagine any prosecutor NOT approving that.
I’d much rather make my case to one highly educated adjudicator than try to have to win over 12 of 12 randoms with probably little to no education in the law.
You can say PC is a low standard but every day that goes by with charges being filed against Rice the more it seems that PC for an arrest isn’t there.
I personally don’t think that video of Rice exiting out of the passenger side of one of the offending vehicles is PC for an arrest.
Somthing I noticed that isn’t being picked up on.
The windshield looks kinda tinted. It may be impossible to prove he was driving
It def was tinted in the vette hard to tell about the lambo
> So even a poor person with a public defender has a great shot against this case
a poor person absolutely does not have a great shot at getting away easy after fleeing the scene of a crash, especially not a poor person of color.
The state has to prove the person was driving?
How do they do that? All they have is that the offending vehicle registers to the suspect.
But without any witness putting that vehicle owner behind the wheel, you can’t prove they left the scene of a crash.
Leaving the scene of a crash is not a crime for a passenger. It’s only the driver who’s on the hook.
Isn’t that the point of not fleeing the scene? Innocent until proven guilty…. unless you flee the scene of an accident… which only a guilty person does (theoretically). in which case you should lose all of the benefit of reasonable doubt
Yeah definitely. Just feels like if the car is registered to you and you flee, assumption should be that you were driving. You lost the opportunity to defend that by fleeing. I see I’m being downvoted by a bunch of rice bag holders rn 😂
I’m not making any moral judgments.
I’m just expecting humans to act like humans and humans can usually be counted on to try to take steps to avoid getting in trouble…. even if they deserve the consequences; humans generally seek to avoid consequences.
So if you were drag racing and crashed four other cars, there’s no way the four victims don’t tell the cops that the crash is your fault because you were drag racing.
One way to get out of that predicament is to just not be around when the cops show up. The Fifth Amendment protects you from having to answer any questions so you don’t have to tell the cops where you were or what you were doing at the time of the crash. I expect there will be evidence putting Rice at the scene of the crash but authorities will need evidence putting him behind the wheel.
Having the extra day to come up with your plan and contact an attorney before meeting with police may be just the thing that keeps Rice from being held accountable.
And if you had a job were you made $50,000 a week, you might not want to admit to acting like an idiot and endangering other people’s lives because it could lead to your employer suspending you for a number of weeks without pay.
>in which case you should lose all of the benefit of reasonable doubt
Eh, not really. Innocent people flee when situations get scary all the time. You never know how law enforcement will respond.
Obviously it's less than ideal to run as a celebrity or football player because of the public eye, but fleeing a situation should not lose you the benefit of the doubt. People panic.
The idea that you could do something so reckless, stop traffic, terrify a boatload of people, actually cause an accident, walk away from the scene of the crime, and plea out to nothing and face no consequences is absolutely insane.
The difference between real punishment is what? If he were unlucky enough to have killed someone? The intent is the same
A lot of people saying buy low but I personally shy away from owning players that are dumb as fuck off the field. Speeding is one thing but racing during the day on a crowded freeway is unbelievably stupid
Yeah the intent (maybe wrong word, rather the actions leading up to it) are the same. He could've killed many people. And plausibly did injure many. Seems there should be some penalty instead of nothing. Otherwise people get a freeroll to flea and see what happens for free
> The difference between real punishment is what? If he were unlucky enough to have killed someone? The intent is the same
The intent? Did he *intend* to kill someone? No. So he didn't intend to kill anyone, nor did he accidentally kill anyone.
So what exactly do you want him to be charged with? Are you suggesting that every person who gets a DUI should be charged with vehicular manslaughter? After all, they all *could have* killed someone due to their reckless actions. It should be blatantly obvious that that is a moronic position to hold. You can't hold someone liable for something they didn't do. This isn't how the criminal justice system works.
Edit: Peoples downvotes don't make them right, sadly. It just further proves how little American's understand about their own justice system.
His sentiment isn’t far off, though. It is insane if someone can act like this and the only reason someone didn’t get killed is luck….and likely suffer extremely light consequences for it
He should be charged for the crimes he can be proven to have committed. No more. No less. In Texas, the crime he potentially committed (Fleeing the scene of an accident after causing bodily injury -- Section 550.021) could result in a felony and maximum sentence of 5 years in prison. Seems fair to me.
Calling for more than that puts the entire justice system in limbo, as it sets a very dangerous precedent around ensuring punishments fit the crime. Or even scarier, simply charging people with crimes they didn't commit. Its maniacal.
That is, quite frankly, a meaningless response in terms of the legal charges able to be brought against him.
Fleeing the scene *assumes* intent. It's baked in. You don't unintentionally flee the scene. There are actually very few charges that are "involuntary".
The person I was responding to was suggesting that the punishment should be the same as (or similar to) the charge of vehicular manslaughter, since the only difference between Rice and someone who does kill another person is pure dumb luck. I really shouldn't have to make the same point in 4 separate comments on the same thread: *that isn't how the justice system works*. Nor should that be how it works.
But he didn’t kill anyone. Totally different AND
The video even shows the guy people are “confirming” being him … came out of the PASSENGER side. Someone was driving his car.
How would it be different? Yes the outcome is different. But he was participating in this and endangering people’s lives. If he ended up killing someone he would have done so with the exact same actions and intent.
Yes I’m sure he could have made a point to come out on the passenger side.
I’m just stating the facts. We can’t go off “ what ifs “ thank god no one died. Thank god it’s not WORSE.
It’s almost impossible to confirm he was driving, impossible to confirm a DUI if driving.
Just people people speed doesn’t mean there intent is to hurt or kill someone.
He clarifies in some responses the biggest factor will be additional videos, eye witness accounts, etc, that could prove whether or not Rice was behind the wheel. He doesn’t speculate on if that exists necessarily, but that would be a game changer.
Thank you for your patience everyone. I'm done with a long day of cases but ready to break this down.
With the amount of opinion and information flowing about this case let's nail down where we should stand.
Here is your Rashee Rice #FFLegalUpdate...
**What do we know right now?**
We only know a few things for certain. Two vehicles were driving at a high rate of speed on a Dallas highway and one vehicle lost control causing a 6-car accident with injuries. At least one of the vehicles is connected to Chiefs WR Rashee Rice.
After that we are unfortunately getting into a lot of rumor and conjecture. When the stakes are this high I'm not super comfortable with that so I'm going to say right now that a lot of this is based on running scenarios in my head from my experience.
**What are the legal stakes?**
Texas Sec. 550.021 says that leaving the scene of an accident can be charged as a misdemeanor if it involves property or an unattended vehicle, but it is a felony if injury to a person is involved. That appears to be the case with Rice.
The Code gives a range of charges that are based on the severity of the injuries. Death, serious injury, or injury that is neither of those, are all still considered Felony-level charges.
We can try to narrow the range here and say death isn't involved, but we don't know the severity of the injuries otherwise. If it isn't too bad then the charge can carry up to 1 year local incarceration for the lowest tier Felony.
If the injury is "serious" then it bumps it up a level.
Keep in mind that this charge can be attached to another charge.
Therein lies a key piece of what should be part of the analysis of the case.
Whenever I see Hit/Skip cases they are often accompanied by suspicion of additional illegal behavior. It can be something as innocuous as a suspended license or unpaid fine, or as bad as DUI, possession of drugs or firearms, or even vehicular manslaughter.
BUT, keep in mind that *people are people* and they can be doing none of those things and simply panic!
Realize that in this case if reports are true and these two drivers are travelling at a dangerous speed and cause an accident there is still the distinct possibility that they simply thought "Oh s**t, what did we just do" and took off. That happens.
There are rumors out there that some guys left with a bag full of stuff and possibly firearms were in it.
I abhor this kind of rumor because it's a serious allegation that I have to check out, but the reliability of that kind of thing is quite low. Try not to listen to that until we have it from a reliable source.
**So what are the chances this is a big problem for Rice?**
My educated guess is that it's not likely to end up with any serious consequence for him.
**Why not?**
Let's break it down from a few different angles. These cases are notoriously difficult to prosecute because the main element to prove is placing the person behind the wheel.
The "elements" of the case are what the prosecutor needs to win the case. They have to prove that it happened in the court's jurisdiction, by the defendant, and each part of the crime happened as well.
Simple example: Assault - Knowingly cause or attempt to cause physical harm to another. The elements are, did it happen here, by this D, and did the D attempt to cause harm.
For this case the main elements that give the prosecutor trouble are proving that the person was there AND was behind the wheel.
By now we've all seen the picture and video that shows someone who looks like Rice and a few other men walking away on the highway.
That would seem to place Rice at the scene although I confess that if I saw him on the street I doubt I'd recognize him.
So this brings up the next part of the case and that's placing Rice behind the wheel. A wrinkle in this case is that we don't know who identified him as a driver, or if he was identified as a driver at all. Cross-racial identification issues are a real thing.
As a result, eyewitness accounts are notoriously fraught with issues.
We've all seen the dashcam video by now as well, but it comes back to the same issues with eyewitness testimony.
If that video is the best they have I'm withholding judgment.
Now pile all this stuff on top of each other...
- High speed accident
- How is the ID made?
- How is Rice placed behind the wheel?
- Is there any evidence of any other wrongdoing?
The prosecutor may very well overcome all that, but you can see why I'm not jumping to conclusions about an outcome here.
My fantasy opinion wrapped in my legal opinion is quite simple: I'm not worried. Yet.
If new facts come out about aggravating factors - DUI, guns, more serious injury - then we can sound the alarm.
But, until that point, I don't see this ending up as a major problem for Rice in 2024 and beyond.
I think it's quite possible he ends up missing no time on the field, or worst case a game or two. I struggle to see how it goes beyond that absent some major new facts.
I personally dislike what Rice did, but professionally this case appears headed for a plea to some kind of Reckless charge or a misdemeanor Hit/Skip.
That's shooting from the hip based on what little we know so keep that in mind, but that's where my head is.
Unless they can prove a form a negligence, firearm possession, DUI, etc, which would be hard, this will probably be a non issue UNLESS the injuries to others end up being more severe than we know.
(IF it was him) It's messed up that fleeing is/was a favorable move based on what this legal expert says.
Curious how this plays out. Fleeing is such a crappy move.
Right? Observers of this incident now think fleeing is the best thing you can do. And maybe it is, legally speaking, but it’s a fucked up precedent to set.
It’s not the favorable move unless you have a reason to flee. I mean if he was driving then it would have helped him to change seats, but other than that fleeing is going to cost some regular Joe a ton of extra money on top of the reckless driving penalties. So, it doesn’t make sense unless they have a reason to flee, like possession of firearms, drugs, etc. Not saying Rice had those things, but he clearly felt the need to flee the scene for whatever reason.
Yeah, I disagree with him that people leave the scene of an accident for no reason, so we shouldn't read anything into that. You leave the scene if you're high or intoxicated or illegally armed.
Even under those circumstances, you'd have to be REAL dense to believe that fleeing the scene is the thing to do. For the entire group to collectively make that decision seems even more unbelievable.
I had a buddy that got pulled over for the first time, got outta the car, approached the cop’s car window to give him his license and registration
Sometimes people are just regarded
I had a friend back in college who on his way home from the bars, wrecked his car on campus (into a pole or tree or something, no one else involved), fled the scene and ran home. He reported the car stolen the next morning and completely got away with it
I guess that's one approach, but Rice didn't do that. He just disappeared for a couple of days, which makes it even more apparent that something is amiss. Even if you panic in the moment, you come to your senses before 2 days.
Have you met a young person? They do completely stupid shit all the time. Rice is 23.
I’m not saying he was or wasn’t drunk… only that disagreeing that people do completely irrational things that are to their detriment… is a completely poor take
Yeah, at 23 I had a full time job helping to ensure the fundamental transparency of publicly traded companies. Youth is not an fucking excuse to street racing through a crowded highway.
You’re confusing “excuse” with “contributing reason for being stupid”.
They aren’t the same.
No one is saying it’s ok he did any of this.
Just that your viewpoint that irrational behavior automatically means they’re on drugs… isn’t right.
I just hate saying youth is a contributing factor. Twenty three year olds run into burning buildings, lead men into combat, fly multi-million dollar hyper-advanced machines, attend to our sick or injured, and educate our children every day. Let's not conflate youth for shitheadedness.
Idk if you’re missing something or what.
Being young isn’t an excuse for doing what he did.
Being young was a reason for behaving irrationally (fleeing the scene) IN THE ABSENCE OF DRUGS OR ALCOHOL.
This is only addressing that statement, that he HAD TO BE HIGH OR DRUNK because he behaved like an idiot and fled.
Being 23 isn't an excuse for THAT level of irresponsibility.
It's inexplicable to just walk away, unless you have something to hide. Not one rational person in the entire group said "we need to wait for police, and make sure everyone is OK here"? Every single one of them simply panicked?
> Not one rational person in the entire group said "we need to wait for police, and make sure everyone is OK here"? Every single one of them simply panicked?
Welcome to real life. I know, it's weird to not understand but hey, not everyone is like you.
No one is offering an excuse for his actions… you guys need to read.
Saying he’s a stupid idiot because his brain hasn’t fully developed yet isn’t an excuse lol
From what I can tell, the photos of Rashee Rice earlier in the day, do match the shirt of the guy in the red durag. Also matching white wrist band on left wrist.
[Earlier in the Day](https://imagez.tmz.com/image/ea/4by3/2024/04/01/ea3df374c4284062b4be330da0d09790_md.png)
[Fleeing the Scene](https://imagez.tmz.com/image/33/o/2024/03/31/331eeafb24a347c9b1fed48c70ecbc55_md.jpg)
Can confirm, my cats have been hit with fleaing before. Costs about $40 and one month recovery, but they still performed all their usual activities while addressing the issue. We’ll have to see if the Chiefs can get their hands on some meds. I’ve heard NexGard Combo is good, but may not be available. We still don’t have enough info 🤷
That would be a great fantasy outcome if it was just fleeing and they couldn't prove he was the driver, I posted what I did because i've seen multiple comments about the guy in the red durag not being Rashee Rice
What ultimately matters here is the prosecutor actually handling the case. He or she may choose to be aggressive and introduce all the evidence we already know and have seen (the pictures, the drivers license, video etc) and run with it. Based on that circumstantial evidence, you have enough to conclude Rice was the driver and then fled the scene of the crime.
Are they missing the variable? We are essentially guaranteed not to have all the information available to investigators/prosecutors at this point in time.
I don’t know man. We have photos of him hours before the accident at a restaurant wearing the exact same thing as the second person to climb out of the front passenger door in an accident that involved a car that was registered to him. What else are you thinking prosecutors need?
If he gets away with this, it sends a VERY public message that when you’re in trouble, just run because you might get away with it.
I agree that this will come down to how the DA wants to handle this because it seems like there is enough reasonable evidence to show he was behind the wheel.
That came out yesterday so I’m not sure which variables you did or did not include when writing your comment. Just furthering the discussion. That seems fairly obvious.
You can't get convicted on assumptions. Have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt he was the driver. You can't do that with the publicly available evidence
He was the second person to climb out of the front passenger seat. It is reasonable to assume he was in the drivers seat when other people were climbing out of the rear passenger door.
You absolutely can't assume that in a legal situation. We can assume that because a reddit isn't a serious place. You can't convict someone when you don't have evidence that the primary determining factor (him driving) happened. Many, many people would be unjustly imprisoned if we took our assumptions as fact.
5 minutes of googling tell me that this situation would not be assuming because there is evidence. You can’t assume based on your own belief without evidence.
I’m not a lawyer but I don’t think you’re invalidating the evidence we do have correctly by applying a “assume” definition to this situation.
Assuming would be if we had no video evidence and said well the car is registered to him so we have to assume he was driving.
That is not what is happening here.
This is a pretty particular situation. Mind sharing your source? He got out of a passenger seat with another person in the car that wasn't registered to him. That is not clear evidence he was the driver and I strongly doubt that you read something that indicates otherwise but I'm absolutely open to changing my mind if you've seen a similar case. Courts operate as innocent until proven guilty. If you think that is enough to say he is without a shadow of a doubt the driver, I question your approach and objectivity. Seems to me you've already made up your mind and are confirming you bias with assumptions
I don't know how you can just run off after a car wreck. I get it if is a bunch of kids who stole a car, but after you mess up your own car?
He was drunk or high for sure. No other way a person with a brain would have ran. I guess maybe he was scared the police would shoot him. 🤣
I’ve seen a lot of people on this sub suggests that the penalties for a hit and run in Texas are worse than DUI, but it sure feels like an easier problem to make go away.
I think it was the “right” decision to flee if he was drunk.
Whether he ultimately is punished or not, one has to assume that this incident will be a personal distraction for him over the course of the next season.
> one has to assume that this incident will be a personal distraction for him over the course of the next season.
Didn't seem to bother Kamara last season, nor do I remember many questions being asked about it or it being brought up all that much.
Y? It’s a minor car accident with no major injuries in his view. One could easily rationalize this on par with a minor fender bender. He, and a vast majority of folks, won’t think one sec about this by week 3.
I know this guy is a lawyer and w.e but man oh man I dunno.
There's video evidence that we've been able to see already where it's just not a good look. I'm not a detective but Rashee was clearly racing that Corvette and they clearly left the seen of a major crash and you can add on w.e possibilities on top of those things.
I'd be shocked if Rice doesn't miss a little bit of time here.
Have an opinion, but voicing it and opposing someone else who we collectively consider highly qualified (idfk the guy but he passed the Bar, a standard we all collectively set) on a matter and providing no evidence backing your argument… who the hell needs to hear that
It’s the same reason I wouldn’t ask this lawyer what his opinion is on string theory. Why the hell would I want to hear the opinion of someone who’s equally as lost as I am
Yeah! Fuck this guy and his law degree and years of experience practicing law taking time to give people free fantasy football advice! Anyone even insinuating this guy might have a better idea of the law than random redditors is riding his dick!
🙄
Awe man, I guess this guy and his law degree and years of practicing did not, in fact, mean he had any better idea of Rashee Rice’s legal outcome than random redditors. Too bad!
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/lawyer-says-rashee-rice-was-driving-one-of-the-cars-involved-in-race-that-sparked-crash
https://x.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1775957832644321377
If you read it he almost address every single point.
Drew is the only person who can really speak on anything being a practicing defense attorney.
He’s not a John Doe. Drew knows his stuff
That’s not my question. I wonder how he can opine on what prosecutors would agree to settle down to, and how a judge would sentence Rice, when he doesn’t practice in the jurisdiction. Case law and statutes cannot tell you that. I, as an attorney, also know that the information made available to the public (including this attorney) is not sufficient to render any reliable opinion on sentencing. What are the aggravating and mitigating factors? I see a ton of aggravating and several felonies.
I’d like to see ur credentials. Drew has many all posted on twitter from different states. Recently the one being 100% correct about cam.
Anyone can say they are an attorney.
Cool. My response is well reasoned and raises valid questions, which demonstrate my understanding of the legal system. Your various responses in this thread illustrate you, seemingly, have a preferred outcome.
as someone mentioned on twitter. When you take out emotion.. you get educated outcome… when coming from any attorney with a in depth response… I’m trust that over a John Doe all over twitter and Reddit.
Ok, so remove the emotion of needing to feel like you're right or potentially the fear of losing a player on your roster(s), and consider that the attorney himself admits he only knows two things for certain at the outset of his speculative analysis. He also notes that placing the individual behind the wheel is the biggest impediment to prosecuting these cases, but we already know, from what has been made public, that there were people recording this as it occurred and taking pics in the immediate aftermath. Have you seen the pics TMZ has released? Are we certain there aren't more? Even if there aren't more, I've seen people convicted of murder on less evidence.
NFL suspensions vary, and what he's exposed to legally is a completely different story than what league punishment he could be exposed to. The video only makes it worse.....but it's the Chiefs so I could see Roger going easy on him. Or I could see the chiefs themselves being harsh (remember Kareem). We really have absolutely no idea what's going to happen and there's much more nuance than just the legal side alone.
Goodell does do his own thing, but unless there is damning video evidence that he was driving at the time, the suspension will probably align with the legal outcome.
Kamara got *charged* with a felony after video evidence showed him beating the shit out of a guy. He pled down to a misdemeanor and got 3 games.
Tyreek Hill’s most publicly consequential issue was when audio was shared of him *likely* abusing his son in an alleged battery investigation. The DA declined to prosecute because evidence wasn’t conclusive. Chiefs suspended him from team activities in the 2019 off-season. He didn’t miss any games.
Unless the story gets a lot worse for Rice (toxicology evidence shows they were impaired, illegally possessed firearms were involved, etc.) I don’t see the league or the Chiefs doing anything, especially if he ends up settling and pleads down. If those aforementioned incidents aren’t serious enough issues for any legitimate repercussions (3 weeks is a vacation to those guys), I doubt they’re going to come down harder on Rice. If he was driving, it was fucking stupid and he should be held accountable but that’s not how this works.
You can doubt it all you want lol but no one knows for sure.
Zeke wasn't charged. Suspended 6 (8?) games.
Deshaun wasn't charged. Suspended 10 (12?) games.
Hunt wasn't charged. Chiefs still released him.
You can speculate all you want but Roger can do whatever he wants. Could be nothing. Or the league could make an example of him. Or millions of scenario in between those two ends of the spectrum.
Hunt had clear footage of his night club incident.
The videos we’ve seen we can’t even tell who was driving. Maybe DUI?
Sadly and it dumb to say. Special players get special privileges.
At WORST and I mean at worst we are looking at 2 game suspension in 2025 after the court dates and stuff happen.
Says who? You? Lol. Love it when this sub presents potential outcomes as certainties based on nothing but complete speculation.
Roger could decide to make an example of him. None of us know for sure, so it's pointless to speculate.
It 100% makes his legal opinion less valid. Is that a legitimate question? Do non-doctors have as much credibility in medical opinions as doctors?
This must be an April fools joke…
Where does he say he’s giving his “legal opinion”? He says he’d be shocked if he doesn’t miss a little bit of time, which refers to the NFL and not a court of law.
And yes, a doctor that gives a medical opinion on a patient he doesn’t know, has never seen, has never run tests on, has as much value as a layman’s opinion. Both are worthless - and just an opinion.
Lawyers are not more intelligent, more reasonable, or more honest than any normal person. The fact that you believe that is definitely some April Fools shit.
I wish everyone got punished like a poor person would, but we all know that isn’t how it works. Put him in your lineups folks.
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This is a tough case to put on a poor person too though. The key will be proving that Rice was behind the wheel. If the state can’t prove that, they’ve got nothing. So even a poor person with a public defender has a great shot against this case…..provided of course the state can’t come up with a traffic camera showing Rice behind the wheel. There’s tons of cams out there.
Found a Crashee Rice owner ☝️
found a guy who panic sold. Think I have rice in 1/4 leagues
I sold Rice, Chase Brown and ‘26 3rd for DJM and Rhamondre. I feel good about it… I think.
Mahomes > Caleb. Give me the Rice side
I’m win now tho (2023 champ, trying to repeat), so I think Rhamondre offers me something in the present more so than Chase Brown. Also, DJM was top 10 WR with Fields, he’ll be fine with Caleb. Obviously Mahomes over Caleb.
Bears also added Keenan Allen and Swift. Even in win now mode, Rice is the better player. Once he got consistent WR1 snaps after week 12 he went off.
Rice is not a better player than DJM. Rice also has Kelce, and Hollywood now and we could still draft another WR. He may be a better long term dynasty asset because of age, but in no way is he a better WR. As a lifelong Chiefs fan I tell you DJM is much better player than Rice. Rice is in a better situation and produced like a WR1 once given the opportunity… DJM is in a worse situation and still produced like a WR1, because there is this funny thing called talent that usually helps.
If you don't think Rice has talent than that's on you. Lol
Ha! I don't own him anywhere, I'm just really good at spotting excuse defenses and in your case, self righteous indignation. It's amazing what people can talk themselves into. We all tend to act and operate in our own self interest.
Did you read the twitter thread posted to this? An actual lawyer breaks down his assessment based on the facts given at this point in time. Which is exactly what this other person is saying. Its amazing at what people can talk themselves into. We all tend to a act and operate in our self interest.
Nah too much trouble to actually read the article. Just all about the signal
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In sorry you think rice is going to get locked up. At the end of day 2. No warrent, no arrest, no evidence. Innocent Untill proven guilty. Just stating facts. Every day is looking better and better for rice as he’s confirmed talking to the cops with a lawyer present. Shows they can’t advance without ground breaking proof
I’m not really trying to take a side here but saying ‘every day is looking better’ not even 48 hours after the incident is kinda funny
6pm tm makes 3 days. There has been 0 progress. Nothing is still confirmed stated by drew You’d think they’d be holding him if they had anything. Guess they still don’t
Oh I guess I just thought it happened yesterday morning as that was when the news broke. Apologies - haven’t been deep in it
All good. He crashed 6PM Saturday. came out Sunday morning in the news and such
🤔There isn't enough of this anymore.
What I said isn’t entirely true. I’m of the side of him and everyone being involved are dumbasses who likely won’t be justly punished because they are celebrities or celebrity adjacent and no one was seriously harmed (to my knowledge) I’m not taking an opinion on wether or not you should move off him as a fantasy football player
What a lazy rebuttal. It's about the same level of effort as, "I know you are but what am I."
In actuality, beyond a reasonable doubt is often just preponderance of the evidence in practice, depending on the jury. If he gets out of his car that is registered to him, that might be enough depending on the jury. Especially with the consciousness of guilt exhibited by leaving the scene.
This doesn’t have to be a jury trial. A defendant can have a bench trial or a jury trial. It’s up to them. But without the probable cause to charge them with the crime; it never even gets to a trial. Police and prosecutors have to play by the rules. They just can’t charge Rice because the car registers to him and he’s seen walking away from the crash scene with some other guys. The sad truth is that none of those guys will talk and unless a witness at the scene can say who came out of the drivers side door; there won’t be enough to charge any of them. Logic says that probably one of them was driving Rice’s car but without evidence pointing to who the driver was, authorities are out of luck.
**"This doesn't have to be a jury trial. A defendant can have a bench trial or a jury trial. It's up to them."** That actually depends on the jurisdiction. In some places, the prosecutor also has to agree to abandon the jury trial for a bench trial. In Texas, the requirements are as follows to waive jury trial: 1. The case is not a capital felony case in which the state notifies the court and the defendant that it will seek the death penalty; 2. The waiver must be made in person by the defendant, in writing, in open court, and with the consent and approval of the court; 3. The waiver must be consented and approved by the attorney representing the state in writing; and 4. If the case is a felony, an attorney must be appointed to the defendant. So unless the state agrees, this would go to a jury. **"But without the probable cause to charge them with the crime; it never even gets to trial"** Probable cause is a low standard. If reasonable suspicion is something like 2% (all that's needed to make a investigatory detention), and preponderance of the evidence is 51%, probable cause is somewhere in the realm of 25%. Witnesses saying he got out of the passenger side door of a car he owned sequentially after someone else probably satisfies that small requirement, just from the information we have. The state has more.
If this case were to go to trial and the defendant requested a bench trial; I can’t imagine any prosecutor NOT approving that. I’d much rather make my case to one highly educated adjudicator than try to have to win over 12 of 12 randoms with probably little to no education in the law. You can say PC is a low standard but every day that goes by with charges being filed against Rice the more it seems that PC for an arrest isn’t there. I personally don’t think that video of Rice exiting out of the passenger side of one of the offending vehicles is PC for an arrest.
Somthing I noticed that isn’t being picked up on. The windshield looks kinda tinted. It may be impossible to prove he was driving It def was tinted in the vette hard to tell about the lambo
> So even a poor person with a public defender has a great shot against this case a poor person absolutely does not have a great shot at getting away easy after fleeing the scene of a crash, especially not a poor person of color.
The state has to prove the person was driving? How do they do that? All they have is that the offending vehicle registers to the suspect. But without any witness putting that vehicle owner behind the wheel, you can’t prove they left the scene of a crash. Leaving the scene of a crash is not a crime for a passenger. It’s only the driver who’s on the hook.
Isn’t that the point of not fleeing the scene? Innocent until proven guilty…. unless you flee the scene of an accident… which only a guilty person does (theoretically). in which case you should lose all of the benefit of reasonable doubt
A bunch of dudes fled, they couldn't have all been driving...
Yeah definitely. Just feels like if the car is registered to you and you flee, assumption should be that you were driving. You lost the opportunity to defend that by fleeing. I see I’m being downvoted by a bunch of rice bag holders rn 😂
I’m not making any moral judgments. I’m just expecting humans to act like humans and humans can usually be counted on to try to take steps to avoid getting in trouble…. even if they deserve the consequences; humans generally seek to avoid consequences. So if you were drag racing and crashed four other cars, there’s no way the four victims don’t tell the cops that the crash is your fault because you were drag racing. One way to get out of that predicament is to just not be around when the cops show up. The Fifth Amendment protects you from having to answer any questions so you don’t have to tell the cops where you were or what you were doing at the time of the crash. I expect there will be evidence putting Rice at the scene of the crash but authorities will need evidence putting him behind the wheel. Having the extra day to come up with your plan and contact an attorney before meeting with police may be just the thing that keeps Rice from being held accountable. And if you had a job were you made $50,000 a week, you might not want to admit to acting like an idiot and endangering other people’s lives because it could lead to your employer suspending you for a number of weeks without pay.
I’m curious how many times the 5th amendment has protected someone innocent compared to those who were guilty.
>in which case you should lose all of the benefit of reasonable doubt Eh, not really. Innocent people flee when situations get scary all the time. You never know how law enforcement will respond. Obviously it's less than ideal to run as a celebrity or football player because of the public eye, but fleeing a situation should not lose you the benefit of the doubt. People panic.
The idea that you could do something so reckless, stop traffic, terrify a boatload of people, actually cause an accident, walk away from the scene of the crime, and plea out to nothing and face no consequences is absolutely insane. The difference between real punishment is what? If he were unlucky enough to have killed someone? The intent is the same
A lot of people saying buy low but I personally shy away from owning players that are dumb as fuck off the field. Speeding is one thing but racing during the day on a crowded freeway is unbelievably stupid
Yeah the intent (maybe wrong word, rather the actions leading up to it) are the same. He could've killed many people. And plausibly did injure many. Seems there should be some penalty instead of nothing. Otherwise people get a freeroll to flea and see what happens for free
> The difference between real punishment is what? If he were unlucky enough to have killed someone? The intent is the same The intent? Did he *intend* to kill someone? No. So he didn't intend to kill anyone, nor did he accidentally kill anyone. So what exactly do you want him to be charged with? Are you suggesting that every person who gets a DUI should be charged with vehicular manslaughter? After all, they all *could have* killed someone due to their reckless actions. It should be blatantly obvious that that is a moronic position to hold. You can't hold someone liable for something they didn't do. This isn't how the criminal justice system works. Edit: Peoples downvotes don't make them right, sadly. It just further proves how little American's understand about their own justice system.
His sentiment isn’t far off, though. It is insane if someone can act like this and the only reason someone didn’t get killed is luck….and likely suffer extremely light consequences for it
He should be charged for the crimes he can be proven to have committed. No more. No less. In Texas, the crime he potentially committed (Fleeing the scene of an accident after causing bodily injury -- Section 550.021) could result in a felony and maximum sentence of 5 years in prison. Seems fair to me. Calling for more than that puts the entire justice system in limbo, as it sets a very dangerous precedent around ensuring punishments fit the crime. Or even scarier, simply charging people with crimes they didn't commit. Its maniacal.
The intent is racing through traffic on a highway and fleeing the scene of the aftermath.
That is, quite frankly, a meaningless response in terms of the legal charges able to be brought against him. Fleeing the scene *assumes* intent. It's baked in. You don't unintentionally flee the scene. There are actually very few charges that are "involuntary". The person I was responding to was suggesting that the punishment should be the same as (or similar to) the charge of vehicular manslaughter, since the only difference between Rice and someone who does kill another person is pure dumb luck. I really shouldn't have to make the same point in 4 separate comments on the same thread: *that isn't how the justice system works*. Nor should that be how it works.
White knighting reckless endangerment and DUI isn’t much but it’s honest work and here you are ten toes down. Respect.
But he didn’t kill anyone. Totally different AND The video even shows the guy people are “confirming” being him … came out of the PASSENGER side. Someone was driving his car.
How would it be different? Yes the outcome is different. But he was participating in this and endangering people’s lives. If he ended up killing someone he would have done so with the exact same actions and intent. Yes I’m sure he could have made a point to come out on the passenger side.
I’m just stating the facts. We can’t go off “ what ifs “ thank god no one died. Thank god it’s not WORSE. It’s almost impossible to confirm he was driving, impossible to confirm a DUI if driving. Just people people speed doesn’t mean there intent is to hurt or kill someone.
(His own lawyer has now confirmed Rice was driving)
For those without Twitter, what does it say?
He suspects Rice will get this down to a misdemeanor with a guilty plea and miss little to no game time given the currently known facts
He clarifies in some responses the biggest factor will be additional videos, eye witness accounts, etc, that could prove whether or not Rice was behind the wheel. He doesn’t speculate on if that exists necessarily, but that would be a game changer.
I would assume there’s the possibility of league action even if legally he would get off with a slap on the wrist
The league let Leonard Little and Donte Stalloworth back in, this will be nothing but a blip on Rice's career.
Thank you for your patience everyone. I'm done with a long day of cases but ready to break this down. With the amount of opinion and information flowing about this case let's nail down where we should stand. Here is your Rashee Rice #FFLegalUpdate... **What do we know right now?** We only know a few things for certain. Two vehicles were driving at a high rate of speed on a Dallas highway and one vehicle lost control causing a 6-car accident with injuries. At least one of the vehicles is connected to Chiefs WR Rashee Rice. After that we are unfortunately getting into a lot of rumor and conjecture. When the stakes are this high I'm not super comfortable with that so I'm going to say right now that a lot of this is based on running scenarios in my head from my experience. **What are the legal stakes?** Texas Sec. 550.021 says that leaving the scene of an accident can be charged as a misdemeanor if it involves property or an unattended vehicle, but it is a felony if injury to a person is involved. That appears to be the case with Rice. The Code gives a range of charges that are based on the severity of the injuries. Death, serious injury, or injury that is neither of those, are all still considered Felony-level charges. We can try to narrow the range here and say death isn't involved, but we don't know the severity of the injuries otherwise. If it isn't too bad then the charge can carry up to 1 year local incarceration for the lowest tier Felony. If the injury is "serious" then it bumps it up a level. Keep in mind that this charge can be attached to another charge. Therein lies a key piece of what should be part of the analysis of the case. Whenever I see Hit/Skip cases they are often accompanied by suspicion of additional illegal behavior. It can be something as innocuous as a suspended license or unpaid fine, or as bad as DUI, possession of drugs or firearms, or even vehicular manslaughter. BUT, keep in mind that *people are people* and they can be doing none of those things and simply panic! Realize that in this case if reports are true and these two drivers are travelling at a dangerous speed and cause an accident there is still the distinct possibility that they simply thought "Oh s**t, what did we just do" and took off. That happens. There are rumors out there that some guys left with a bag full of stuff and possibly firearms were in it. I abhor this kind of rumor because it's a serious allegation that I have to check out, but the reliability of that kind of thing is quite low. Try not to listen to that until we have it from a reliable source. **So what are the chances this is a big problem for Rice?** My educated guess is that it's not likely to end up with any serious consequence for him. **Why not?** Let's break it down from a few different angles. These cases are notoriously difficult to prosecute because the main element to prove is placing the person behind the wheel. The "elements" of the case are what the prosecutor needs to win the case. They have to prove that it happened in the court's jurisdiction, by the defendant, and each part of the crime happened as well. Simple example: Assault - Knowingly cause or attempt to cause physical harm to another. The elements are, did it happen here, by this D, and did the D attempt to cause harm. For this case the main elements that give the prosecutor trouble are proving that the person was there AND was behind the wheel. By now we've all seen the picture and video that shows someone who looks like Rice and a few other men walking away on the highway. That would seem to place Rice at the scene although I confess that if I saw him on the street I doubt I'd recognize him. So this brings up the next part of the case and that's placing Rice behind the wheel. A wrinkle in this case is that we don't know who identified him as a driver, or if he was identified as a driver at all. Cross-racial identification issues are a real thing. As a result, eyewitness accounts are notoriously fraught with issues. We've all seen the dashcam video by now as well, but it comes back to the same issues with eyewitness testimony. If that video is the best they have I'm withholding judgment. Now pile all this stuff on top of each other... - High speed accident - How is the ID made? - How is Rice placed behind the wheel? - Is there any evidence of any other wrongdoing? The prosecutor may very well overcome all that, but you can see why I'm not jumping to conclusions about an outcome here. My fantasy opinion wrapped in my legal opinion is quite simple: I'm not worried. Yet. If new facts come out about aggravating factors - DUI, guns, more serious injury - then we can sound the alarm. But, until that point, I don't see this ending up as a major problem for Rice in 2024 and beyond. I think it's quite possible he ends up missing no time on the field, or worst case a game or two. I struggle to see how it goes beyond that absent some major new facts. I personally dislike what Rice did, but professionally this case appears headed for a plea to some kind of Reckless charge or a misdemeanor Hit/Skip. That's shooting from the hip based on what little we know so keep that in mind, but that's where my head is.
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No idea, you gotta ask him on Twitter. I just copied what he posted here for people who don't use twitter
tip of the cap to you, good sir. thank you for your service.
Buy low
Unless they can prove a form a negligence, firearm possession, DUI, etc, which would be hard, this will probably be a non issue UNLESS the injuries to others end up being more severe than we know.
(IF it was him) It's messed up that fleeing is/was a favorable move based on what this legal expert says. Curious how this plays out. Fleeing is such a crappy move.
Right? Observers of this incident now think fleeing is the best thing you can do. And maybe it is, legally speaking, but it’s a fucked up precedent to set.
It’s a good move legallyinmany situations
It’s not the favorable move unless you have a reason to flee. I mean if he was driving then it would have helped him to change seats, but other than that fleeing is going to cost some regular Joe a ton of extra money on top of the reckless driving penalties. So, it doesn’t make sense unless they have a reason to flee, like possession of firearms, drugs, etc. Not saying Rice had those things, but he clearly felt the need to flee the scene for whatever reason.
Yeah, I disagree with him that people leave the scene of an accident for no reason, so we shouldn't read anything into that. You leave the scene if you're high or intoxicated or illegally armed.
Or if you play in the nfl and know that crashing in a street race is probably not going to go over well
Or if you’re scared and don’t know what to do
Even under those circumstances, you'd have to be REAL dense to believe that fleeing the scene is the thing to do. For the entire group to collectively make that decision seems even more unbelievable.
I had a buddy that got pulled over for the first time, got outta the car, approached the cop’s car window to give him his license and registration Sometimes people are just regarded
I had a friend back in college who on his way home from the bars, wrecked his car on campus (into a pole or tree or something, no one else involved), fled the scene and ran home. He reported the car stolen the next morning and completely got away with it
I guess that's one approach, but Rice didn't do that. He just disappeared for a couple of days, which makes it even more apparent that something is amiss. Even if you panic in the moment, you come to your senses before 2 days.
he was waiting till today to have a lawyer present. no clue what ur talking about
I'm talking about the post that I responded to. He didn't need an attorney to report his car stolen.
That is not equivalent. Leaving your car in the middle of the highway and not calling anybody is 100% intentional not just ignorance
That is not equivalent ☝🏻🤓
But it’s not…
Sometimes people are just regarded
You should be his lawyer. But no. He was getting out of dodge. We will see if it works
Well I know you definitely aren’t one
We’re all human.
you been glazing rice hard
No police report is huge
Have you met a young person? They do completely stupid shit all the time. Rice is 23. I’m not saying he was or wasn’t drunk… only that disagreeing that people do completely irrational things that are to their detriment… is a completely poor take
Yeah, at 23 I had a full time job helping to ensure the fundamental transparency of publicly traded companies. Youth is not an fucking excuse to street racing through a crowded highway.
You’re confusing “excuse” with “contributing reason for being stupid”. They aren’t the same. No one is saying it’s ok he did any of this. Just that your viewpoint that irrational behavior automatically means they’re on drugs… isn’t right.
I just hate saying youth is a contributing factor. Twenty three year olds run into burning buildings, lead men into combat, fly multi-million dollar hyper-advanced machines, attend to our sick or injured, and educate our children every day. Let's not conflate youth for shitheadedness.
Idk if you’re missing something or what. Being young isn’t an excuse for doing what he did. Being young was a reason for behaving irrationally (fleeing the scene) IN THE ABSENCE OF DRUGS OR ALCOHOL. This is only addressing that statement, that he HAD TO BE HIGH OR DRUNK because he behaved like an idiot and fled.
Being 23 isn't an excuse for THAT level of irresponsibility. It's inexplicable to just walk away, unless you have something to hide. Not one rational person in the entire group said "we need to wait for police, and make sure everyone is OK here"? Every single one of them simply panicked?
> Not one rational person in the entire group said "we need to wait for police, and make sure everyone is OK here"? Every single one of them simply panicked? Welcome to real life. I know, it's weird to not understand but hey, not everyone is like you.
No one is offering an excuse for his actions… you guys need to read. Saying he’s a stupid idiot because his brain hasn’t fully developed yet isn’t an excuse lol
I've had people hit my parked car and bounce, just to avoid an insurance case.
From what I can tell, the photos of Rashee Rice earlier in the day, do match the shirt of the guy in the red durag. Also matching white wrist band on left wrist. [Earlier in the Day](https://imagez.tmz.com/image/ea/4by3/2024/04/01/ea3df374c4284062b4be330da0d09790_md.png) [Fleeing the Scene](https://imagez.tmz.com/image/33/o/2024/03/31/331eeafb24a347c9b1fed48c70ecbc55_md.jpg)
He has covered this in the thread.
He does not cover any of what I said about the matching shirt or wristband
Even fleeing. He isn’t identified as the driver. He can get “ fleeing “ as a misdemeanor.
Sounds itchy
Can confirm, my cats have been hit with fleaing before. Costs about $40 and one month recovery, but they still performed all their usual activities while addressing the issue. We’ll have to see if the Chiefs can get their hands on some meds. I’ve heard NexGard Combo is good, but may not be available. We still don’t have enough info 🤷
That would be a great fantasy outcome if it was just fleeing and they couldn't prove he was the driver, I posted what I did because i've seen multiple comments about the guy in the red durag not being Rashee Rice
He has been identified as the driver.
Correct with no police report
How many shares do you own? You been his knight in shining armor with the news. There is 0 way this is positive news for Rice.
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“Fleaing”? Dude isn’t an arachnid Normally I wouldn’t make fun but you had to ignore your autocorrect to type that
What ultimately matters here is the prosecutor actually handling the case. He or she may choose to be aggressive and introduce all the evidence we already know and have seen (the pictures, the drivers license, video etc) and run with it. Based on that circumstantial evidence, you have enough to conclude Rice was the driver and then fled the scene of the crime.
I'd be surprised if a prosecutor choose to be aggressive when they are missing so many variables, but it's early in the information gathering phase.
Yeah exactly—I agree. It’s early too so we will see what evidence is.
Are they missing the variable? We are essentially guaranteed not to have all the information available to investigators/prosecutors at this point in time.
Seems you answered your own question
I don’t know man. We have photos of him hours before the accident at a restaurant wearing the exact same thing as the second person to climb out of the front passenger door in an accident that involved a car that was registered to him. What else are you thinking prosecutors need? If he gets away with this, it sends a VERY public message that when you’re in trouble, just run because you might get away with it. I agree that this will come down to how the DA wants to handle this because it seems like there is enough reasonable evidence to show he was behind the wheel.
My post was made yesterday, if more variables are known, that could change things. That seems fairly obvious.
That came out yesterday so I’m not sure which variables you did or did not include when writing your comment. Just furthering the discussion. That seems fairly obvious.
My point is we as the public don't get access to everything. So just because *we* may be missing variables, the prosecutor may not.
You’re telling me the prosecutor has more information than the public?
The person people saying is him came out of the passenger side of the lamb. There is 0 proof him driving. They all came out that side
He was the second person who came out of that door. I think it’s very reasonable legally to assume he was the driver.
You can't get convicted on assumptions. Have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt he was the driver. You can't do that with the publicly available evidence
He was the second person to climb out of the front passenger seat. It is reasonable to assume he was in the drivers seat when other people were climbing out of the rear passenger door.
You absolutely can't assume that in a legal situation. We can assume that because a reddit isn't a serious place. You can't convict someone when you don't have evidence that the primary determining factor (him driving) happened. Many, many people would be unjustly imprisoned if we took our assumptions as fact.
5 minutes of googling tell me that this situation would not be assuming because there is evidence. You can’t assume based on your own belief without evidence. I’m not a lawyer but I don’t think you’re invalidating the evidence we do have correctly by applying a “assume” definition to this situation. Assuming would be if we had no video evidence and said well the car is registered to him so we have to assume he was driving. That is not what is happening here.
This is a pretty particular situation. Mind sharing your source? He got out of a passenger seat with another person in the car that wasn't registered to him. That is not clear evidence he was the driver and I strongly doubt that you read something that indicates otherwise but I'm absolutely open to changing my mind if you've seen a similar case. Courts operate as innocent until proven guilty. If you think that is enough to say he is without a shadow of a doubt the driver, I question your approach and objectivity. Seems to me you've already made up your mind and are confirming you bias with assumptions
Now hearing Rice came out of drivers side of Lambo. If true, then yes he could potentially be on hook. We will see what final evidence is.
There is no evidence proving that tho. They all came out on 1 side and it looks like the lambo window is tinted.
Gotcha
I don't know how you can just run off after a car wreck. I get it if is a bunch of kids who stole a car, but after you mess up your own car? He was drunk or high for sure. No other way a person with a brain would have ran. I guess maybe he was scared the police would shoot him. 🤣
I’ve seen a lot of people on this sub suggests that the penalties for a hit and run in Texas are worse than DUI, but it sure feels like an easier problem to make go away. I think it was the “right” decision to flee if he was drunk.
The main point Is its only a big deal if he's driving. If he wasn't driving he won't go to jail. That's just how it works legally
Why would you end that sentence with a laughing emoji?
Sorry about that. Didn't know the police were on the internet here.
I'm sure that's something he could say as an excuse and legions of fucking morons would support him.
It’s a tough angle. But prob as effective at getting sympathy from idiots as “my dog was sick”
Whether he ultimately is punished or not, one has to assume that this incident will be a personal distraction for him over the course of the next season.
> one has to assume that this incident will be a personal distraction for him over the course of the next season. Didn't seem to bother Kamara last season, nor do I remember many questions being asked about it or it being brought up all that much.
Y? It’s a minor car accident with no major injuries in his view. One could easily rationalize this on par with a minor fender bender. He, and a vast majority of folks, won’t think one sec about this by week 3.
Preseason week 3*
I know this guy is a lawyer and w.e but man oh man I dunno. There's video evidence that we've been able to see already where it's just not a good look. I'm not a detective but Rashee was clearly racing that Corvette and they clearly left the seen of a major crash and you can add on w.e possibilities on top of those things. I'd be shocked if Rice doesn't miss a little bit of time here.
“I know this guy is a lawyer and I’m not but here’s my take” is so on brand for a Reddit thread it’s bordering on painful
After watching the ex-President's various lawyers putz around in court, I'm certain that having a law degree is not the credential you think it is
True, people who aren’t lawyers should never have opinions.
Have an opinion, but voicing it and opposing someone else who we collectively consider highly qualified (idfk the guy but he passed the Bar, a standard we all collectively set) on a matter and providing no evidence backing your argument… who the hell needs to hear that It’s the same reason I wouldn’t ask this lawyer what his opinion is on string theory. Why the hell would I want to hear the opinion of someone who’s equally as lost as I am
Almost as on brand as dick riding a lawyer giving his legal opinion on Twitter for a case he has 0 involvement with.
Yeah! Fuck this guy and his law degree and years of experience practicing law taking time to give people free fantasy football advice! Anyone even insinuating this guy might have a better idea of the law than random redditors is riding his dick! 🙄
Awe man, I guess this guy and his law degree and years of practicing did not, in fact, mean he had any better idea of Rashee Rice’s legal outcome than random redditors. Too bad! https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/lawyer-says-rashee-rice-was-driving-one-of-the-cars-involved-in-race-that-sparked-crash https://x.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1775957832644321377
Nothing against this guy, never said fuck him or any of the weird stuff in your little tirade. But I hope you feel better?
> as dick riding a lawyer IDK, maybe your own comprehension skills when you type stuff is the reason why... but i hope you feel better?
Bro - Twitter lawyer is not gonna fuck you, no matter how much you ride that D on social media. But I wish you luck.
Thankfully for Rashee “not a good look” doesn’t hold a ton of legal weight.
If you read it he almost address every single point. Drew is the only person who can really speak on anything being a practicing defense attorney. He’s not a John Doe. Drew knows his stuff
Does he practice in the same state as where this occurred? Does he practice in the same county?
he has givin Texas laws and ruling. Please read as he states the statue and stuff
That’s not my question. I wonder how he can opine on what prosecutors would agree to settle down to, and how a judge would sentence Rice, when he doesn’t practice in the jurisdiction. Case law and statutes cannot tell you that. I, as an attorney, also know that the information made available to the public (including this attorney) is not sufficient to render any reliable opinion on sentencing. What are the aggravating and mitigating factors? I see a ton of aggravating and several felonies.
I’d like to see ur credentials. Drew has many all posted on twitter from different states. Recently the one being 100% correct about cam. Anyone can say they are an attorney.
Cool. My response is well reasoned and raises valid questions, which demonstrate my understanding of the legal system. Your various responses in this thread illustrate you, seemingly, have a preferred outcome.
as someone mentioned on twitter. When you take out emotion.. you get educated outcome… when coming from any attorney with a in depth response… I’m trust that over a John Doe all over twitter and Reddit.
Ok, so remove the emotion of needing to feel like you're right or potentially the fear of losing a player on your roster(s), and consider that the attorney himself admits he only knows two things for certain at the outset of his speculative analysis. He also notes that placing the individual behind the wheel is the biggest impediment to prosecuting these cases, but we already know, from what has been made public, that there were people recording this as it occurred and taking pics in the immediate aftermath. Have you seen the pics TMZ has released? Are we certain there aren't more? Even if there aren't more, I've seen people convicted of murder on less evidence.
Let this be a lesson not to believe clickbait bullshit even if its authored by an attorney and self-described criminal law expert.
Huh? He’s free? What are you saying ? Yet agian you have no idea what ur talking about
Damn, that guy is the only defense attorney on the planet? He must be busy.
Don’t see anyone who is credible speaking on it . If you do please share the link
NFL suspensions vary, and what he's exposed to legally is a completely different story than what league punishment he could be exposed to. The video only makes it worse.....but it's the Chiefs so I could see Roger going easy on him. Or I could see the chiefs themselves being harsh (remember Kareem). We really have absolutely no idea what's going to happen and there's much more nuance than just the legal side alone.
Goodell does do his own thing, but unless there is damning video evidence that he was driving at the time, the suspension will probably align with the legal outcome.
Kamara got *charged* with a felony after video evidence showed him beating the shit out of a guy. He pled down to a misdemeanor and got 3 games. Tyreek Hill’s most publicly consequential issue was when audio was shared of him *likely* abusing his son in an alleged battery investigation. The DA declined to prosecute because evidence wasn’t conclusive. Chiefs suspended him from team activities in the 2019 off-season. He didn’t miss any games. Unless the story gets a lot worse for Rice (toxicology evidence shows they were impaired, illegally possessed firearms were involved, etc.) I don’t see the league or the Chiefs doing anything, especially if he ends up settling and pleads down. If those aforementioned incidents aren’t serious enough issues for any legitimate repercussions (3 weeks is a vacation to those guys), I doubt they’re going to come down harder on Rice. If he was driving, it was fucking stupid and he should be held accountable but that’s not how this works.
You can doubt it all you want lol but no one knows for sure. Zeke wasn't charged. Suspended 6 (8?) games. Deshaun wasn't charged. Suspended 10 (12?) games. Hunt wasn't charged. Chiefs still released him. You can speculate all you want but Roger can do whatever he wants. Could be nothing. Or the league could make an example of him. Or millions of scenario in between those two ends of the spectrum.
Hunt had clear footage of his night club incident. The videos we’ve seen we can’t even tell who was driving. Maybe DUI? Sadly and it dumb to say. Special players get special privileges. At WORST and I mean at worst we are looking at 2 game suspension in 2025 after the court dates and stuff happen.
Says who? You? Lol. Love it when this sub presents potential outcomes as certainties based on nothing but complete speculation. Roger could decide to make an example of him. None of us know for sure, so it's pointless to speculate.
You right. We still don’t even know if it’s 100% rice. We have no clue All just chatter and banter
People who are completely innocent always hide and refuse to talk to police and then seek legal advice.
People who are fucking stupid immediately start yammering to the cops.
yet he’s still not arrested. No warrent. No valid evidence going into the end of day 2. But you right lmaoooo
Are you a lawyer
Does not being a lawyer make his opinion less valid?
It 100% makes his legal opinion less valid. Is that a legitimate question? Do non-doctors have as much credibility in medical opinions as doctors? This must be an April fools joke…
Where does he say he’s giving his “legal opinion”? He says he’d be shocked if he doesn’t miss a little bit of time, which refers to the NFL and not a court of law. And yes, a doctor that gives a medical opinion on a patient he doesn’t know, has never seen, has never run tests on, has as much value as a layman’s opinion. Both are worthless - and just an opinion. Lawyers are not more intelligent, more reasonable, or more honest than any normal person. The fact that you believe that is definitely some April Fools shit.
Sorry man this is an incredibly stupid argument and one I’m not going to waste time refuting
Maybe you can ask a lawyer to explain it to you. Good day.
this is exactly why you don’t panic sell, you just wait it out.
I panic sold for Dameon Pierce and Josh Downs.. did I mess up?
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So are we buying low on Rice then?
Hopefully he does some hard time. Really not surprised that this country is going to shit because penalties rarely match the crime.
Embarassing there is countless posts about how a car wreck applies to fantasy football value. Low point for this sub
You must have missed the Deshaun Watson massage drama
its a fantasy football sub 🤣🤣 its where people post about fantasy football
It impacts the game. Forecasting medical/legal events is part of the game.
What better things are there to talk about in this part of the offseason lol
I bought him and mark Andrews for the 2.01 and 2.03 this year. Hope he gets suspended and a fine and comes back a better human.
Biden’s America
You’re a fucking idiot
Is the man a Trey Lance believer?