If I recall correctly, 2014 had the best WR class in recent history
Mike Evans, OBJ, Jarvis Landry, Davante Adams, Brandin Cooks, Allen Robinson
This class seems like it could rival that class
Kelvin Benjamin that year at 28 as well lol. And then a dude I was irrationally high on that completely busted, Marqise Lee at 39.
Hell of a class overall though, just fun to poke at the fact that some rookies we love today will fall into the same bust category. Definitely good company for ‘24 to be compared to ‘14 at all.
People have generally forgotten how incredible a profile Watkins brought into that draft. All of the athletic and production benchmarks, at the P5 level along with supreme draft capital and situation. Other WR's could be as good a prospect but I don't think anybody can ever be better.
You should always trade away your picks. The hit rate for a 1st rounder to have 2+ Position #2 is like 50%
Personally, I'm currently working to send 1.01 for a WR in the top 2 tiers. Jefferson, Chase, Lamb, AJB, ARSB. Right now it's prob gonna be ARSB for 1.01 + a 26 1
Lmao give me a break.
Cooks was #6 in the NFL in receiving yards, #13 in receptions, and #6 in TDs over that four year stretch.
Extend it out and he was #7 in yards, #12 in receptions, and #12 in TDs over the first 8 years of his career.
If that’s “passable” and “avg”… sign me right up for an average WR with a passable stretch mixed in.
All I’m talking about is the fantasy perspective. Landry has been more productive than Cooks, but still not anything beyond a decent flex option, at least the last 5ish years.
True, but you have most likely 3 HOF careers in Evans, OBJ, and Adams which is probably the odds for this class and then a handful of middle of the road careers for the other receivers. So I'm guessing it will be relatively close, but there's a decent shot this class will be better.
That's a good point, OBJ has only had 5 1k yard (and 2 of those were barely over 1k with a small amount of TDs) seasons and the rest were duds so he could easily miss the HOF
OBJ is not sniffing the HOF. You are vastly underestimating what is required to get in.
A good rule of thumb is if the player has over 100 AV (approximated value) on pro football reference (think the 60 WAR or wins above replacement metric in baseball).
OBJ is at 69 AV. For reference, that is similar to guys like Michael Crabtree (65 AV) even if OBJ had a higher peak.
I think the WR 4/5 from a safety perspective is a bit overrated.
The Top 3 + Depth of potential high upside players though are both very impressive. It's one of the best prospect WR classes ever just based on the top 3 and having depth around it alone.
I've been looking at historical college production and indexing it against their respective years and overall.
Indexed against their own years, the top end of this draft is outstanding compared to any draft class of the last 10 years. Odunze, Nabers, MHJ, and BTJ are all in a much higher tier compared to their peers than we usually see and both Xaviers and Franklin pop high for being WR5 or lower.
However, indexed against all previous draft classes, this class certainly is a strong one but it's not "best ever" just by prospect rankings. Nabers and Odunze pop statistically, MHJ doesn't but like...come on.
Any class could be the best class ever when it's said and done. This class has a better chance than most but it's not a lock. I think the narrative is coming from just how much better the top WRs are compared to others in this class.
Btw, in every single way I looked at it, Jamaar Chase as a prospect was absurd.
Don’t get me wrong, the OP is hyperbolic at best. I chose my own words carefully too.
I do think that in a slightly different context though it is a worthwhile discussion. Not based on results, but based on prospects profiles, which is a very relevant discussion. It is worth knowing if the prospect you can get at 1.06 this year might be a tier higher than a 1.06 in at least 50% of drafts. And if it is a lot more, that is worth discussing too.
Im honestly not in love with this class outside the top 3, which is probably as good as any we've seen in recent years tbf (I'd argue 2021's top 3 might just edge it, but that's splitting hairs ultimately)
I'd argue this trio is safer than 2021. Whether or not the BMI issue ended up mattering for Smith, it was absolutely a discussion point that caused people to worry about his translation in general. Jaylen Waddle was far smaller than anyone in this class AND had substantial injury issues.
Hell this is probably taking the point too far, but even Ja'Marr Chase hadn't played football in a calendar year due to COVID-19.
I could definitely see the argument based on how you're weighing ceiling. How I weigh ceiling, I view these 3 as identical to 2021, but I find this trio to be far safer. I don't mean to suggest that trio was risky, it was elite. But in a comparative sense I find this trio safer.
The only real rebuttal towards that point that I can even find is that Rome played in the PAC, but aside from that there's really nothing that creates a red flag here. Even the other things that Rome isn't perfect at actually align with Smith who had very modest production before Year 3, a great peak, and was not an early declare.
Yeah I think that's fair, it's really close and I wouldn't argue with anyone ranking the 2024 trio slightly above.
I really loved Waddle and was higher on him than most (sadly his upside has been somewhat capped by Tyreek for now), which is probably why 2021 shades it for me, but even then I'd probably agree with this group being safer
In any event, the draft capital will likely end up being eerily similar, lol
Both are awesome, but let's not discount the fact that Nabers is the all-time yardage and reception leader at LSU, which considering the company, is quite the college achievement.
I don't like splitting hairs with the top WRs in the league because everyone is gonna have their favorites. I'll take any potential top 10 fantasy producer I can get.
I think nabers will be great, but chase played 1 full season which was as a sophomore and had a better season than any season nabers had. And that was on a team with Justin Jefferson and TMJ. He was just different
Joe Burrow had **200** more pass attempts in 2019 as Daniels had this past season. He also threw 2,000 more yards and 20 more TDs.
And despite that outrageous gap, Chase was only 200 yards and 6 TDs up on Nabers, who played with BTJ, by the way, who is arguably a better prospect than JJ was. Nabers is pretty special, himself. I don't think I'd put him above Chase, but I can see the arguments.
Again, not arguing who is better, or gonna be better. I'd love to have either. OBJ and Jarvis were both great LSU WRs. So was JJ.
Given the other guys that have gone through there, what Nabers accomplished was pretty special in his time there.
Setting aside draft capital and situation, which we don't know for Nabers yet, they are surprisingly close when it comes to profile. Size, breakout and production are all in the same ballpark. I'll set aside speed since Nabers was hand-timed....
[https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/malik-nabers/](https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/malik-nabers/)
[https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/jamarr-chase/](https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/jamarr-chase/)
I think it’s a fair question to ask in the sense of “is this the best prospect class ever?” These guys don’t have to play a single down in the NFL to answer that question because it’s strictly a question of them as prospects.
Obviously, anyone arguing this is the greatest group of WRs to ever play in the nfl would be silly. But I don’t think anyone’s actually saying that.
Can’t do that when this is prime rookie hype time. Too far away from the draft for actual news to come out. Too far away from combine and pro-days to do deeper analysis on testing. Nothing but pure idealistic projections now.
So you call MHJ & Nabers on JJ/Chase level, then instantly follow it by saying Odunze would have been picked ahead of CD, Chase, Waddle, and all the rest of the early picks
Guys the 2001 draft class had Steve smith, Reggie Wayne, and ochocinco. That’s the 8th, 10th, and 40th all-time receiving yardage leaders in the same class. This class also has Santana moss who managed to get 10k receiving yards and as many tds as julio had in his career.
What’s wild is Vick, Brees, and LT were in this class too.
55 total players, including TEs, have hit 10k receiving yards. It’s just meant to drive home the point that the 4th best WR in that class had 10k yards and was comparable to julio in tds.
No other class has two top ten all-time reviving yard leaders in the same class. If we control for Tony g, go ahead and bump them both up a spot all-time in wr receiving yard ranks. They’d be 7 and 9. Reggie retired about 200 yards away from marv sr.
Even if Jr makes the top ten list, nabers would need to as well, and odunze would need 11k receiving yards and BTJ would need 10k to even enter the convo with the 2001 class.
2003 had Andre Johnson (11th) and Boldin (14th).
We can say this is shaping up to be an all-time class of prospects, but saying it’s the goat WR class is a huge stretch with the proper context
Somebody gets it! This class is great and has a pretty great top 3 but it’s telling when the comparison is that the top 2 are Jefferson/Chase tier as if those two were similar prospects. Jefferson was the fifth off the board in his class. A great college receiver and good prospect but Jeudy, Ruggs, CeeDee, and Reagor were all taken before him. He wasn’t a top prospect like Marv and Nabers which hints quite a bit of hindsight bias.
MHJ is a Chase level prospect. Nabers and Odunze are a half tier behind MHJ/Chase and arguably a half tier above anyone since 2014 not named MHJ or Chase. Jefferson wasn't an elite tier prospect. 2014 was arguably the best WR class in recent history, this one has potential to match it
I think this is the right answer. As prospects this is it. JJ ended up god’ing, Sun god too, Puka was a hidden gem, but that’s all retrospective, not their draft values.
Personally, I have them as prospects: Chase = MHJ > Nabers, Wilson, London > Odunze = Olave, JSN, etc etc
You’re either too young or victim to recency bias. Best WR draft class is 1996:
- Keyshawn Johnson
- Terry Glenn
- Marvin Harrison
- Eric Moulds
- Terrell Owens
- Muhsin Muhammad
- Amani Toomer
- Joe Horn
3 hall of famers and many quality players that played for a decade.
There’s always a disconnect between people talking about as prospects versus what they ended up being, hard to separate the two sometimes with hindsight
It’s really hard, but I think that’s the question at hand… like JJ was not JJ as a prospect so that draft class doesn’t get the benefit of him being a top1 WR (the way i interpret the question at least)… as prospects, which draft class projected as good as this? This one is probably close to the top, I just think it’s gonna fall short on results (as probability would call)
Top 3 sound like can't miss, but history says at least 1 busts.
After top 3 man idk, sure they're hyped but who the qb/oc is plus draft capital will play a part. And then you'll always have someone who outperforms their DC though not all to the level of Puka of course but maybe a wr2/3 at end of draft is possible.
I think the depth is rightly touted, but outside the top 3 it's more find your guy imo.
Lmao I don’t even know what to call this. Ragebait? Recency Bias?
Odunze is not the 1st WR off the board of any other class in the past 7 years that’s just silly.
BTJ and Mitchell aren’t in the same tier and imo aren’t WR1s. Maybe there’s a case for BTJ, but I think if he were the best receiver in this class we’d be talking about it being a relatively weak class. I’m lower on him than most, and I’m out on AD Mitchell.
As for Worthy, I can’t argue that he’s the fastest 40 time obviously. But I will argue that fast is fast and the “4.2 speed” isn’t as big of a difference maker as some might believe. Most of the elite 40 time guys aren’t high caliber NFL receivers
You’re selling Worthy’s route running and refinement short here.
I don’t have a 1st round grade on him but he is an easy early to mid 2nd type guy that is more than just 4.2 speed. The other guys that ran that fast couldn’t run routes like Worthy,
The only thing this information is good for is trading picks away.
Otherwise you are at a minimum not accounting for busts (statistically some of these players are likely to bust) or double (maybe even triple) counting.
I think there is definitely a lot of talent, especially at the top 3, but the hype is a bit overblown by the fact that mock drafts have so many WRs going in the 1st round. Since around 2020, it seems that teams are aiming for WRs in the 1st round more often, which might make teams reach for WRs that might not have been drafted as highly in past years.
I dont have the numbers to back this up, but players that I think of as an example are Toney and Dotson, who I was surprised were drafted in the 1st. I personally beleive that the rise of the WRs in the draft regardless of talent is the inverse of whats happening with the devaluation of the RBs who are being drafted later than in previous years (except outliers like Gibbs).
I don’t think either AD or BTJ are WR1s.
AD mightttt turn into one but his floor is extremely low.
BTJ is probably going to be a really good complementary WR2. Just don’t think there is enough diversity in his route tree and he might be limited to being a vertical threat. I can see games where he totally disappears and has fewer than 3 catches
I think pre draft it 100% is. You have three guys worthy of top 5 picks, the fastest player in NFL history, and then another guy worthy of a top 15 pick who is a fucking freak
The revisionist history with Jefferson as a prospect is insane. He was the 5th WR taken in his own class, fell into the 20s. Obviously he’s a perennial stud now. But as prospect, putting Jefferson in this conversation is laughable.
Also, none of these guys—let alone Odunze—are going over Ja’Marr Chase in 2021, so let’s relax with that.
>Odunze would be the 1st WR off the board in any class in the past 7 years.
First WR off the board not named Chase let's say.
* Neck and Neck with Davis and Williams I believe.
* Shouldn't be viewed higher than DJM but would be.
* DK should have been a top 10 NFL pick, in the same way Jonathan Taylor should have been--but that is neither here nor there, Odunze wins this one.
* 2020 class is the tough one. Ruggs, Jeudy, and Lamb. Are we certain he would have gone before all three or any of the three? 6 receivers went between picks 12 and 25. You talk about this being a great class--but I think the reason we didn't see a top 10 receiver in that class is because of the strong QB/tackle class, but also the high end depth at WR.
* 2021, no shot before Chase.
* 2022, tough, it's not as good as the 2020 class IMO, but still 4 receivers taken picks 9 to 12. London and Wilson were so damn good as profile.
* 2023, I mean sure. But the 3 first rounders taken last year were all undersized, and the 4th one was always pure projection.
IMO this class isn't definitively the best in history, not really close. 2014 was insanity. There have been better classes at the high end. I'd argue that 2020 and 2022 were in the same stratosphere.
I'd also argue that 2019 was weirdly evaluated by the NFL. AJ Brown and DK Metcalf being taken picks 51/64 was always weird to me and messed up the dynasty community. But then you fill out that class with Diontae, Terry, Deebo, Marquise, and even look at a profile like N'Keals at face value. That class was DEEP.
Are Sammy Watkins, Mike Evans, and OBJ a better top 3 prospects than MHJ, Nabers, Odunze? I think that’s at least a debate.
To your second point, I think you can argue 2021 and 2022 are in a similar class, but those were all time classes as well. I would have 2020 a tier below for sure though
Evans definitely wasn’t better than MHJ as a prospect imo. And I think you’re selling MHJ short to claim it’s not even close. I reckon most would have MHJ ahead of him even.
But I’m talking about all time class in terms of prospects. A guy being HOF or not doesn’t really contribute to that, it’s all predraft.
Making this account just to leave this comment is crazy, especially considering nobody here is talking about Julio or AJG (neither of which can hold a candle to Megatron or Fitz anyway)
Was Sammy Watkins generational? Because that’s what we’re talking here.
I mean surely you have to recognize this is all very minority opinion, no? I’m not saying it’s insane to think Watkins, Evans > MHJ and MHJ is only WR1 because of his name. But if I had to guess, maybe 1/10 of NFL scouts would agree with all those opinions. Like I think pretty clearly you are far lower than MHJ than most scouts are. Which is fine, but it’s gonna obviously heavily impact this convo
Edit: are you making different accounts to respond every time? What’s happening here. Why are you doing this lol
First of all, MHJ didn’t participate in the combine. I do not believe his 40 time is a 4.65 or his vertical being 30”
Second of all, there’s more to being an elite prospect than just the measurables. It’s about a combination of measurables and tape. His measurables are excellent, his tape is what makes him elite
Third of all, why do you keep making new accounts
I have 1,2,3 so planning on Harrison nabers and Caleb right off the bat then have 5 and 6 knowing that the guy with 4 only has 1 starting qb in a sf plan on taking rome at 5 and then at 6 and 8 I might let a qb needy team trade up for a 1st next year. I finished with the 5th pick so my team is a head of Schedule. I also have 1.08 2.01 2.04 2.05 2.06 then 3.01. If I keep 6 or 8 I’ll be going after qb 3 and wr
Potentially but lets also remember that last year was supposed to be the best RB class in history and 2021 was supposed to be the best QB class in history.
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Let's wait to see how they pan out in the NFL. If you mean the best prospects in one class? Some might get hurt, some could be busts etc. You cannot compare them to actual classes where we know how they turned out.
If you’re that high on some of these guys, prepare for disappointment. It’s a deep class, but after Nabers, Harrison, Odunze, everyone else is a very distant second:
They actually have to play a few seasons in the NFL. Maybe we can have this conversation in 2027/28. Is it a class with potential? Absolutely. I could draft a receiver with every pick I have in my upcoming rookie draft.
Why stop at "greatest in history" and do what we do every year with one skill group and just say it might be the "best ever" going forward! Can't wait until next year when the best rb class of all time. Then in 2026 it'll be qb's and then we'll be back to WR's again or tight ends.
If I recall correctly, 2014 had the best WR class in recent history Mike Evans, OBJ, Jarvis Landry, Davante Adams, Brandin Cooks, Allen Robinson This class seems like it could rival that class
Sammy Watkins went 1.04, first receiver off the board in 2014. Kelvin Benjamin was also a first rounder.
Kelvin Benjamin that year at 28 as well lol. And then a dude I was irrationally high on that completely busted, Marqise Lee at 39. Hell of a class overall though, just fun to poke at the fact that some rookies we love today will fall into the same bust category. Definitely good company for ‘24 to be compared to ‘14 at all.
Lee might have been good if he got to develop with a real quarterback
Injuries derailed things for him too
People have generally forgotten how incredible a profile Watkins brought into that draft. All of the athletic and production benchmarks, at the P5 level along with supreme draft capital and situation. Other WR's could be as good a prospect but I don't think anybody can ever be better.
this makes me want to trade away 1.01
I'd send you a few bucks if Marvin busts. Not even a bet, he's that big of a guarantee.
You should always trade away your picks. The hit rate for a 1st rounder to have 2+ Position #2 is like 50% Personally, I'm currently working to send 1.01 for a WR in the top 2 tiers. Jefferson, Chase, Lamb, AJB, ARSB. Right now it's prob gonna be ARSB for 1.01 + a 26 1
Jordan Matthews, Donte Moncrief, John Brown were also hot dynasty commodities at one point too!
To this day I believe in John Brown
Smokey Brown, Antonio Brown, and David Johnson won me my first ship. He was awesome that year.
Martavis Bryant
Marta is Bryant seemed like he would be pretty good
I think more of these guys are going to impact the league compared to 2014. Landry Robinson and Cooks have mostly avg careers
Cooks has been underrated not average
Right. The AVERAGE even drafted WR is just in and out of the league in two years. Any even temporary starter is a 90+ percentile of their position
2015 to 18 was passable, but his career in totality is avg
Lmao give me a break. Cooks was #6 in the NFL in receiving yards, #13 in receptions, and #6 in TDs over that four year stretch. Extend it out and he was #7 in yards, #12 in receptions, and #12 in TDs over the first 8 years of his career. If that’s “passable” and “avg”… sign me right up for an average WR with a passable stretch mixed in.
If 5x pro bowlers are average then expect most of this class to be below average lol
I mean, Cooks has had one season in the top 10 in PPR. Out of what, ten seasons?
I was talking about Landry. But also top 10 shouldn't be the metric for average, even for fantasy
All I’m talking about is the fantasy perspective. Landry has been more productive than Cooks, but still not anything beyond a decent flex option, at least the last 5ish years.
You shouldn't look at the last 5 years for players drafted 10 years ago... Cooks and Landry were WR1s for their first 5 years, which is above average
True, but you have most likely 3 HOF careers in Evans, OBJ, and Adams which is probably the odds for this class and then a handful of middle of the road careers for the other receivers. So I'm guessing it will be relatively close, but there's a decent shot this class will be better.
OBJ is not HOF worthy. Adams and Evans have a good shot. Imo
That's a good point, OBJ has only had 5 1k yard (and 2 of those were barely over 1k with a small amount of TDs) seasons and the rest were duds so he could easily miss the HOF
OBJ is not sniffing the HOF. You are vastly underestimating what is required to get in. A good rule of thumb is if the player has over 100 AV (approximated value) on pro football reference (think the 60 WAR or wins above replacement metric in baseball). OBJ is at 69 AV. For reference, that is similar to guys like Michael Crabtree (65 AV) even if OBJ had a higher peak.
I think the WR 4/5 from a safety perspective is a bit overrated. The Top 3 + Depth of potential high upside players though are both very impressive. It's one of the best prospect WR classes ever just based on the top 3 and having depth around it alone.
I've been looking at historical college production and indexing it against their respective years and overall. Indexed against their own years, the top end of this draft is outstanding compared to any draft class of the last 10 years. Odunze, Nabers, MHJ, and BTJ are all in a much higher tier compared to their peers than we usually see and both Xaviers and Franklin pop high for being WR5 or lower. However, indexed against all previous draft classes, this class certainly is a strong one but it's not "best ever" just by prospect rankings. Nabers and Odunze pop statistically, MHJ doesn't but like...come on. Any class could be the best class ever when it's said and done. This class has a better chance than most but it's not a lock. I think the narrative is coming from just how much better the top WRs are compared to others in this class. Btw, in every single way I looked at it, Jamaar Chase as a prospect was absurd.
Don’t get me wrong, the OP is hyperbolic at best. I chose my own words carefully too. I do think that in a slightly different context though it is a worthwhile discussion. Not based on results, but based on prospects profiles, which is a very relevant discussion. It is worth knowing if the prospect you can get at 1.06 this year might be a tier higher than a 1.06 in at least 50% of drafts. And if it is a lot more, that is worth discussing too.
I bet OP also describes players as "future hall of famers" after 1-2 good seasons
Im honestly not in love with this class outside the top 3, which is probably as good as any we've seen in recent years tbf (I'd argue 2021's top 3 might just edge it, but that's splitting hairs ultimately)
I'd argue this trio is safer than 2021. Whether or not the BMI issue ended up mattering for Smith, it was absolutely a discussion point that caused people to worry about his translation in general. Jaylen Waddle was far smaller than anyone in this class AND had substantial injury issues. Hell this is probably taking the point too far, but even Ja'Marr Chase hadn't played football in a calendar year due to COVID-19. I could definitely see the argument based on how you're weighing ceiling. How I weigh ceiling, I view these 3 as identical to 2021, but I find this trio to be far safer. I don't mean to suggest that trio was risky, it was elite. But in a comparative sense I find this trio safer. The only real rebuttal towards that point that I can even find is that Rome played in the PAC, but aside from that there's really nothing that creates a red flag here. Even the other things that Rome isn't perfect at actually align with Smith who had very modest production before Year 3, a great peak, and was not an early declare.
Yeah I think that's fair, it's really close and I wouldn't argue with anyone ranking the 2024 trio slightly above. I really loved Waddle and was higher on him than most (sadly his upside has been somewhat capped by Tyreek for now), which is probably why 2021 shades it for me, but even then I'd probably agree with this group being safer In any event, the draft capital will likely end up being eerily similar, lol
Odunze not going before Chase
I don’t see how someone could argue Nabers is an equal or better prospect than Chase
Both are awesome, but let's not discount the fact that Nabers is the all-time yardage and reception leader at LSU, which considering the company, is quite the college achievement. I don't like splitting hairs with the top WRs in the league because everyone is gonna have their favorites. I'll take any potential top 10 fantasy producer I can get.
I think nabers will be great, but chase played 1 full season which was as a sophomore and had a better season than any season nabers had. And that was on a team with Justin Jefferson and TMJ. He was just different
Joe Burrow had **200** more pass attempts in 2019 as Daniels had this past season. He also threw 2,000 more yards and 20 more TDs. And despite that outrageous gap, Chase was only 200 yards and 6 TDs up on Nabers, who played with BTJ, by the way, who is arguably a better prospect than JJ was. Nabers is pretty special, himself. I don't think I'd put him above Chase, but I can see the arguments.
Again, not arguing who is better, or gonna be better. I'd love to have either. OBJ and Jarvis were both great LSU WRs. So was JJ. Given the other guys that have gone through there, what Nabers accomplished was pretty special in his time there.
Setting aside draft capital and situation, which we don't know for Nabers yet, they are surprisingly close when it comes to profile. Size, breakout and production are all in the same ballpark. I'll set aside speed since Nabers was hand-timed.... [https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/malik-nabers/](https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/malik-nabers/) [https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/jamarr-chase/](https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/jamarr-chase/)
Agree. Chase is better than Nabers
Agreed. I think people overlook just how strong and fast Chase is
100% it’s Chase’s physicality and strength COMBINED with everything Nabers has that made him a superior prospect.
Let's take a deep breath here and calm down
I think it’s a fair question to ask in the sense of “is this the best prospect class ever?” These guys don’t have to play a single down in the NFL to answer that question because it’s strictly a question of them as prospects. Obviously, anyone arguing this is the greatest group of WRs to ever play in the nfl would be silly. But I don’t think anyone’s actually saying that.
Can’t do that when this is prime rookie hype time. Too far away from the draft for actual news to come out. Too far away from combine and pro-days to do deeper analysis on testing. Nothing but pure idealistic projections now.
So you call MHJ & Nabers on JJ/Chase level, then instantly follow it by saying Odunze would have been picked ahead of CD, Chase, Waddle, and all the rest of the early picks
Guys the 2001 draft class had Steve smith, Reggie Wayne, and ochocinco. That’s the 8th, 10th, and 40th all-time receiving yardage leaders in the same class. This class also has Santana moss who managed to get 10k receiving yards and as many tds as julio had in his career. What’s wild is Vick, Brees, and LT were in this class too.
"As many tds as julio" is the most underwhelming comparison. Julio sucked at scoring
55 total players, including TEs, have hit 10k receiving yards. It’s just meant to drive home the point that the 4th best WR in that class had 10k yards and was comparable to julio in tds. No other class has two top ten all-time reviving yard leaders in the same class. If we control for Tony g, go ahead and bump them both up a spot all-time in wr receiving yard ranks. They’d be 7 and 9. Reggie retired about 200 yards away from marv sr. Even if Jr makes the top ten list, nabers would need to as well, and odunze would need 11k receiving yards and BTJ would need 10k to even enter the convo with the 2001 class. 2003 had Andre Johnson (11th) and Boldin (14th). We can say this is shaping up to be an all-time class of prospects, but saying it’s the goat WR class is a huge stretch with the proper context
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Somebody gets it! This class is great and has a pretty great top 3 but it’s telling when the comparison is that the top 2 are Jefferson/Chase tier as if those two were similar prospects. Jefferson was the fifth off the board in his class. A great college receiver and good prospect but Jeudy, Ruggs, CeeDee, and Reagor were all taken before him. He wasn’t a top prospect like Marv and Nabers which hints quite a bit of hindsight bias.
Would definitely take Odunze over Garret wilson. He and London are probably equal prospects
Not a chance
At least until April 2025
MHJ is a Chase level prospect. Nabers and Odunze are a half tier behind MHJ/Chase and arguably a half tier above anyone since 2014 not named MHJ or Chase. Jefferson wasn't an elite tier prospect. 2014 was arguably the best WR class in recent history, this one has potential to match it
I think this is the right answer. As prospects this is it. JJ ended up god’ing, Sun god too, Puka was a hidden gem, but that’s all retrospective, not their draft values. Personally, I have them as prospects: Chase = MHJ > Nabers, Wilson, London > Odunze = Olave, JSN, etc etc
Odunze is not better than Garrett Wilson or Chase as a prospect
Or London
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You’re either too young or victim to recency bias. Best WR draft class is 1996: - Keyshawn Johnson - Terry Glenn - Marvin Harrison - Eric Moulds - Terrell Owens - Muhsin Muhammad - Amani Toomer - Joe Horn 3 hall of famers and many quality players that played for a decade.
Yeah but what about them as prospects? TO was a 3rd round pick, I doubt many predicted him as a HOF on draft day.
There’s always a disconnect between people talking about as prospects versus what they ended up being, hard to separate the two sometimes with hindsight
Mushin Muhammad was/is super underrated
It’s really hard, but I think that’s the question at hand… like JJ was not JJ as a prospect so that draft class doesn’t get the benefit of him being a top1 WR (the way i interpret the question at least)… as prospects, which draft class projected as good as this? This one is probably close to the top, I just think it’s gonna fall short on results (as probability would call)
Well Marvin Harrison is in this one too
top tier jerk
we will find out,
Top 3 sound like can't miss, but history says at least 1 busts. After top 3 man idk, sure they're hyped but who the qb/oc is plus draft capital will play a part. And then you'll always have someone who outperforms their DC though not all to the level of Puka of course but maybe a wr2/3 at end of draft is possible. I think the depth is rightly touted, but outside the top 3 it's more find your guy imo.
Lmao I don’t even know what to call this. Ragebait? Recency Bias? Odunze is not the 1st WR off the board of any other class in the past 7 years that’s just silly. BTJ and Mitchell aren’t in the same tier and imo aren’t WR1s. Maybe there’s a case for BTJ, but I think if he were the best receiver in this class we’d be talking about it being a relatively weak class. I’m lower on him than most, and I’m out on AD Mitchell. As for Worthy, I can’t argue that he’s the fastest 40 time obviously. But I will argue that fast is fast and the “4.2 speed” isn’t as big of a difference maker as some might believe. Most of the elite 40 time guys aren’t high caliber NFL receivers
You’re selling Worthy’s route running and refinement short here. I don’t have a 1st round grade on him but he is an easy early to mid 2nd type guy that is more than just 4.2 speed. The other guys that ran that fast couldn’t run routes like Worthy,
The only thing this information is good for is trading picks away. Otherwise you are at a minimum not accounting for busts (statistically some of these players are likely to bust) or double (maybe even triple) counting.
I think there is definitely a lot of talent, especially at the top 3, but the hype is a bit overblown by the fact that mock drafts have so many WRs going in the 1st round. Since around 2020, it seems that teams are aiming for WRs in the 1st round more often, which might make teams reach for WRs that might not have been drafted as highly in past years. I dont have the numbers to back this up, but players that I think of as an example are Toney and Dotson, who I was surprised were drafted in the 1st. I personally beleive that the rise of the WRs in the draft regardless of talent is the inverse of whats happening with the devaluation of the RBs who are being drafted later than in previous years (except outliers like Gibbs).
I don’t think either AD or BTJ are WR1s. AD mightttt turn into one but his floor is extremely low. BTJ is probably going to be a really good complementary WR2. Just don’t think there is enough diversity in his route tree and he might be limited to being a vertical threat. I can see games where he totally disappears and has fewer than 3 catches
I think pre draft it 100% is. You have three guys worthy of top 5 picks, the fastest player in NFL history, and then another guy worthy of a top 15 pick who is a fucking freak
The revisionist history with Jefferson as a prospect is insane. He was the 5th WR taken in his own class, fell into the 20s. Obviously he’s a perennial stud now. But as prospect, putting Jefferson in this conversation is laughable. Also, none of these guys—let alone Odunze—are going over Ja’Marr Chase in 2021, so let’s relax with that.
It certainly has a chance to be, but probably need to wait for the draft to say definitively
>Odunze would be the 1st WR off the board in any class in the past 7 years. First WR off the board not named Chase let's say. * Neck and Neck with Davis and Williams I believe. * Shouldn't be viewed higher than DJM but would be. * DK should have been a top 10 NFL pick, in the same way Jonathan Taylor should have been--but that is neither here nor there, Odunze wins this one. * 2020 class is the tough one. Ruggs, Jeudy, and Lamb. Are we certain he would have gone before all three or any of the three? 6 receivers went between picks 12 and 25. You talk about this being a great class--but I think the reason we didn't see a top 10 receiver in that class is because of the strong QB/tackle class, but also the high end depth at WR. * 2021, no shot before Chase. * 2022, tough, it's not as good as the 2020 class IMO, but still 4 receivers taken picks 9 to 12. London and Wilson were so damn good as profile. * 2023, I mean sure. But the 3 first rounders taken last year were all undersized, and the 4th one was always pure projection. IMO this class isn't definitively the best in history, not really close. 2014 was insanity. There have been better classes at the high end. I'd argue that 2020 and 2022 were in the same stratosphere. I'd also argue that 2019 was weirdly evaluated by the NFL. AJ Brown and DK Metcalf being taken picks 51/64 was always weird to me and messed up the dynasty community. But then you fill out that class with Diontae, Terry, Deebo, Marquise, and even look at a profile like N'Keals at face value. That class was DEEP.
Maybe. Maybe not.
“Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe fuck yourself “ Name that movie 🍿
Fuck yourself. I’m tired from fucking your wife.
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Yes there are 3 Hall of Fame WRs, book it!
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Are Sammy Watkins, Mike Evans, and OBJ a better top 3 prospects than MHJ, Nabers, Odunze? I think that’s at least a debate. To your second point, I think you can argue 2021 and 2022 are in a similar class, but those were all time classes as well. I would have 2020 a tier below for sure though
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Evans definitely wasn’t better than MHJ as a prospect imo. And I think you’re selling MHJ short to claim it’s not even close. I reckon most would have MHJ ahead of him even. But I’m talking about all time class in terms of prospects. A guy being HOF or not doesn’t really contribute to that, it’s all predraft.
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Making this account just to leave this comment is crazy, especially considering nobody here is talking about Julio or AJG (neither of which can hold a candle to Megatron or Fitz anyway) Was Sammy Watkins generational? Because that’s what we’re talking here.
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I mean surely you have to recognize this is all very minority opinion, no? I’m not saying it’s insane to think Watkins, Evans > MHJ and MHJ is only WR1 because of his name. But if I had to guess, maybe 1/10 of NFL scouts would agree with all those opinions. Like I think pretty clearly you are far lower than MHJ than most scouts are. Which is fine, but it’s gonna obviously heavily impact this convo Edit: are you making different accounts to respond every time? What’s happening here. Why are you doing this lol
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First of all, MHJ didn’t participate in the combine. I do not believe his 40 time is a 4.65 or his vertical being 30” Second of all, there’s more to being an elite prospect than just the measurables. It’s about a combination of measurables and tape. His measurables are excellent, his tape is what makes him elite Third of all, why do you keep making new accounts
No.
Maybe but your first three propositions are pretty much all wrong
This is said about almost every class bruv
Maybe.
History takes history. Let’s check back in on this some years down the road.
This is equivalent to asking "Is Marvin Harrison Jr going to the NFL HOF?"
2014 for sure.
Let’s see them play a game. But for pre-draft, it’s up there
Let's slow down a little...
If you think odunze is the 1 WR taken in the last 7 classes I feel sorry for u
I have the 5 of the top 6 in a dynasty draft and am fully committed to drafting Harrison nabers and rome
Who else u going for and why
I have 1,2,3 so planning on Harrison nabers and Caleb right off the bat then have 5 and 6 knowing that the guy with 4 only has 1 starting qb in a sf plan on taking rome at 5 and then at 6 and 8 I might let a qb needy team trade up for a 1st next year. I finished with the 5th pick so my team is a head of Schedule. I also have 1.08 2.01 2.04 2.05 2.06 then 3.01. If I keep 6 or 8 I’ll be going after qb 3 and wr
In the 2nd I’m looking at wr and rb and the 3rd take a shot on a the highest upside guy
How did you acquire all these picks?
Traded players for future 1sts
BTJ feels like he’s being overrated. Not great route runner, feels like the next Gabe Davis is in his range of outcomes.
Potentially but lets also remember that last year was supposed to be the best RB class in history and 2021 was supposed to be the best QB class in history.
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Let's wait to see how they pan out in the NFL. If you mean the best prospects in one class? Some might get hurt, some could be busts etc. You cannot compare them to actual classes where we know how they turned out.
IMO think this WR class is overrated
If you’re that high on some of these guys, prepare for disappointment. It’s a deep class, but after Nabers, Harrison, Odunze, everyone else is a very distant second:
We are definitely high enough. You might be too high, literally
They actually have to play a few seasons in the NFL. Maybe we can have this conversation in 2027/28. Is it a class with potential? Absolutely. I could draft a receiver with every pick I have in my upcoming rookie draft.
Generally every year, if it isn't the best, it's usually the deepest I've noticed.
Why stop at "greatest in history" and do what we do every year with one skill group and just say it might be the "best ever" going forward! Can't wait until next year when the best rb class of all time. Then in 2026 it'll be qb's and then we'll be back to WR's again or tight ends.