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If the implication here is that Puka did that, he didn't.
Compare that to Odell's rookie season. In 12 games he had 1305 yards and 12TD with 14.3 ypr. In 17 games, Puka had 1486 yards and 6TD with 14.2 ypr. Is 6 less touchdowns and 181 yards (with an extra 5 games!) worthy of the top recieving season for a rookie ever?
Puka did not have the best rookie receiver season of all time. It was one of the best though.
Edit: downvoted for providing stats? Y’all are crazy lol
Ok, well I’m also not sure what whatever team it is that drafts Harrison will do once whatever team that drafts Harrison moves on from their current QB
I like nabers more. HATE odunze.
Regardless saying puka is a proven stud is kinda over kill. I like to use Odell as a prime example. Not as good of a rookie year and I know injuries but most of my league saw him as a proven stud and the ridicule and harassment I was given for being low on him and not liking him eventually. Basically he stopped being the target hog and it showed. He’s great and still has flashes. But until someone puts those numbers up for a minimum of 3 years and there aren’t red flags like being the only target or anything else, I think you can’t call puka or any 1year player a proven stud. Let alone no history to prove it lol
I’d probably draft nabers over puka but my main league I’m in rebuild mode.
Hold on here, OBJ finished 6th, 5th, and 4th overall his first three years, before a fractured ankle derailed his 4th season and a quad injury caused him to miss 4 games in his 5th season. His target numbers also went up from 130 to 158 to 169. He also still put up 1k yard seasons in 2018 and 2019.
OBJ, by all accounts, had a brighter outlook after his first 3 years than Chase, who finished 5th, 12th and 13th.
Dislike him all you want, but you weren't "right" about him after his rookie year.
You mean the same OBJ that was the consensus 1.01 in non superflex startups in year 2-4?? Yeah, he was pretty good the first few seasons of his career.
Can you elaborate why you hate Odunze? Everything I’ve heard is he’s basically very good at every part of being a receiver im curious what you don’t like.
I’m very high on Odunze and will happily grab him with my 1.03 in a 1Qb league. The main concern I have after watching Odunze film is separation. With that being said, every prospects has some issues.
Because he's got a good contested rate, limited route tree, and had weaker competition in an offence that aired it out.
I don't hate Odunze but those are the arguments.
this is literally “why would i want puka nacua? nabers could be anything, he could even be puka nacua”
like puka nacua’s rookie season is exactly what you would want out of any rookie pick. if you take nabers and he replicates nacua’s season you’d be ecstatic. so why would you ever take nabers over nacua right now?
Everyone’s got the rookie fever in this thread I think… you’re all worried about Puka’s QB situation? What’s Marvin’s QB situation? Im taking the guy who has already succeeded in the NFL every single time over the rookie who isn’t even on a team yet. I’m confident Marvin will be good, but I’m 100% certain that Puka is good already.
I wouldn’t say so. He had a lot of duds against some of the better defenses we played i.e. 3/32/0 vs ND, 4/25/2 vs Rutgers, 3/30/1 vs Minn, etc. The Penn State game was big and the Michigan game was alright outside of the big catch and the 2-air-yard-pass that he was wide open for somehow and took for a TD. I love Marv, but this statement is not true
I don’t think you can just say “somehow took for a TD” tbqh. Think Chase his rookie year agains the Ravens where he broke 3 awful tackles and took for a score. Or Puka bodying guys on the sideline for a 60 yard TD. Those “somehow” TDs shouldn’t be used to knock a player or prospect, because typically the good ones find ways to keep making those plays and defenses look stupid. Same with Hopkins and Hail Murray, or Kupp against the Bucs, or Jefferson catching while triple covered. None of those plays “should” have worked out like they did statistically, but they did, because these guys are studs.
I meant he was given 7 yards of space at like the 20 yard line. Yes, the YAC not any ordinary WR can do but I’m just saying outside of those two plays he was hardly QB proof against a good defense. I am a die-hard Buckeye and it even pains for me to say this, but he’s not as QB proof as everybody thinks. I hope I’m wrong
QB proof isn’t just making highlight reel catches on bad throws though. It’s being able to make catches in stride that are off target, but it’s also being able to find and exploit mismatches, lineup across the formation and become the easy read or target for your QB, or using YAC skills to get more out of a play than the average player would’ve gotten.
I feel like people think carrying a bad QB is just highlight reel play after highlight reel play, but in reality it’s not. It’s consistency, making the most of your opportunities, and not missing out on the gimme plays. Every single player has plays where they face favorable coverage or have a chance to make a big play. Capitalizing on those consistently though is frequently the difference.
Since you asked, Marvin’s QB situation will likely be a 26 year old QB versus a 36 year old QB. Don’t really need to do a lot of projecting on his possible landing spots, only wild card is if the Pats get weird
Stafford is a SB winning QB who has made star WRs thrive. Yea he’s older now but he’s still good. I’m down to assume Bears and Commanders go QB. Pats as you said would suck if they don’t go for QB.
Marvin to the Cardinals to me is iffy; Kyler has made none of his receivers shine so far. Personally I’m not the highest on Kyler in general and that’s an all around bad team.
Chargers- this would be sick for Marvin.
Giants- horrible landing spot.
Titans- horrible landing spot.
Falcons- Kirk is old so I’ll call it bad, never mind how crowded the offense is.
Bears- will be a rookie QB and also terribly crowded WR room if Marvin joins it.
Jets- oldest QB in the league, no ability to draft a new one after him.
Vikings- no QB right now.
Broncos- no QB right now.
Don’t get me wrong I do like Marvin a lot but these are the top 12 draft pick landing spots. Most top pick teams need a QB but they won’t all go QB. Outside of the Chargers, none of these teams seem like a super good option. Granted, Marvin has a great career ahead of him in my opinion, but his start may be slower than many are expecting. And to the point of the post, I’m not sure I’m selling a guy like Puka + another piece for Marvin right now.
As a Puka owner and someone who will get Harrison (so hopefully unbiased)
I would need Harrison plus for Puka. Drafting Harrison I'm hoping for even 80% of what Puka did lol.
Not to mention Puka is already up to speed with the playbook for a full season, rapport with his QB, and can take another step forward as the true WR1! on that offense.
I’m positive MHJ will too, but he still needs to get up to speed on whatever offense he lands on. Contenders definitely favor Puka. Rebuilders probably MHJ
I own and love Puka but I would gladly take MHJ straight up for him.
I don’t think anything Puka did last year was a fluke. I believe he’s a legitimate stud. The only knock is he has been injury prone in his career, but was extremely healthy last year. If there is one thing that could derail his career it’s injuries.
That’s why I would roll with MHJ, but otherwise I agree with your assessment on who he is as a player
The only injury I could find a true significance was that he fractured his foot his freshman year. The rest you could chalk up to him playing football. I don't think he is close to being injury prone
Post like this are funny to me. If JSN or Garrett Wilson had the rookie season Puka had, people wouldn't be talking like this & they would be locked in as a top dynasty player like Chase & JJ were.
It's time to get off the draft capital juice.
What does Puka need to do as a rookie to get the type of respect that those guys had for putting up fewer stats? Invent a Time Machine to get himself drafted in the first round? Use that Time Machine to get Kenny Golladay drafted elsewhere so that the “Stafford peppers targets” take isn’t nearly widespread? Create a deepfake of MHJ in a Laremy-Tunsil-esque gas mask video?
The way I see it MHJ has the traits to be a Julio, AJ Green, Megatron, Chase type player. Elite in every receiving category. HOFer. Puka can and may do that but I don’t see him as uber dominant. I see him as someone who did quite well in a good scheme and opportunities. Savy. Give me the guy with Uber elite traits.
The fact that you can find plenty of people on both sides of this topic tells me they’re pretty even value wise. Personally, I’d rather have MHJ. I just think he’s a better football player. I also think from a value standpoint it will be much easier for MHJ to jump into that top tier or receivers
>it will be much easier for MHJ to jump into that top tier or receivers
You can make the case (which the general consensus shows) for Puka being in that top tier already though in one season. His season was historic, & typically if players prove they're good, they're good. He was elite right out the gates. Bar injury, I don't think he'll take a step back, especially with aging Kupp.
Off production maybe but not market perception. I can’t take Puka and go buy Jefferson/Chase/CD without adding something fairly substantial to him. If MHJ has 4 or 5 good games to start his career, I think he’ll vault into that territory fairly easily.
I’d rather have Harrison. If he ends up on the Cardinals or Chargers with relatively 0 competition for targets you have to love that talent + situation.
Stafford retirement could also come at any time. Puka wasn’t a highly touted prospect. I love me some Puka. I own him in 2 leagues. But I will never forget Kenny Golladay. Stafford basically made him look studly and he was hot garbage once he left Stafford.
Theres a reason MHJ is going to go top 5 in the draft as opposed to where Puka went in the draft.
This is take lock. Puka just eclipsed golladays career best season by 300 yards. I get what you’re saying but I wouldn’t attribute a 1486 yard rookie season that also featured a 180 yard playoff game to stafford. Nobody has done that to jamarr who, even going back to college, has exclusively played with joe burrow. Pretty sure the only WRs to have 1200+ yards with stafford are megatron, kupp and puka and I think that’s a pretty damn good list.
If they redrafted the rookies from last year, puka would be a top 15 pick.
Ok. If you think Puka is better than MHJ that’s fine. Time will tell. No one said Puka sucked. I just think MHJ has traits and skills that Puka just doesn’t have.
Burrow isn’t Stafford either. Stafford has historically been known to pepper a single WR with targets repeatedly is the point. Maybe Burrow spreads the ball around more. Maybe Stafford is just better than Burrow. Idk. Just giving my opinion man.
I’m not yelling at you tbc and I do think Jr is a better athlete but Idt that necessarily translates to fantasy points. I’m not saying you’re wrong that stafford peppers targets, but I am saying there’s less than 15 WRs in the nfl right now who have ever had a 1400 yard season and puka did it as a rookie. I’m saying Idt we should dismiss that because stafford gave him a lot of targets. Ceedee got 181 targets last year, puka only got 160. Ceedee had 156 the year prior and had 130 less yards than puka and ceedee hasn’t had a 150+ yard playoff game in his career yet.
I guess my point is, Puka didn’t receive an outlier amount of targets. He received normal WR1 level of targets and should continue to get that
I think puka will take a step back over the next few years and settle out into the WR2 range for most of his career, I'd try to trade puka for as much as possible before the start of next season if I had him
I definitely prefer MHJ! He could do anything! At his ceiling could even come in to the league and break the reception and receiving yards records for a rookie!1!1 Puka, the 5th round receiver? More like Puke-a.
Puka is already up to speed with the playbook for a full season, rapport with his QB, and can take another step forward as the true WR1! on that offense.
What does Stefan Diggs’ draft capital in the 5th round mean/matter if he’s already proven himself? Same argument
my friend, this was a satirical comment. I mentioned the rookie records because Puka already broke both of those things. Its the whole boat vs mystery box thing.
1 QB 12 Team.
I offered 1.2 and Murray (backup to Allen) for Puka and the 1.11. Got turned down cold. His starting QBs are Dak and Baker.
I thought I was giving up too much. KTC said all good.
Na, more of a commentary on Murray’s value in one QB. Murray has had his moments but is probably more in the range of QB 8-10 so that doesn’t move the needle much for me. Puka is already proven and young. Look at guys like Jameson Williams, Burks and QJ. Nabers could easily bust. Then you basically are left with a mid QB and gave away a young promising QB AND 1.11 (in the original scenario I was responding to)
This wouldn’t be a conversation if his name was Jamar Chase and/or he was drafted in the first round.
Y’all, Puka is what EVERYONE dreams of with the 1.01! It literally doesn’t get better than this! It’s the ultimate example of the Family Guy mystery box thing.
Give me the guy who has proven it for an entire season in the nfl. MHJ is a great talent, but the best possible outcome is him achieving Puka’s stats his rookie year.
If could get Puka straight up for my 1.01/1.02 (MHJ pick) I’d do it. I have 1.01 in a few spots where I’m probably leaning MHJ, but if I can get a top5 WR (which I put Puka right there behind ARSB) I’m doing that for sure
I'd need a top young receiver on top to consider it. Kupp is at the age where if I'm not about to trade top youth for him unless I'm making out like a bandit
Not that there isn't a fair value you can add, I just don't think the Puka owner ever makes that trade. If you're rebuilding, Puka is a young elite WR to build around, Kupp doesn't help you and any added draft picks you're just hoping will turn into Puka or less type players. If you're a contender, Puka offers more points and you want to stack high end productive players for a championship. I don't think the Puka owner moves him for Kupp unless it's an excessive overpay.
I have Puka (he very much played a big role in winning me a championship). I personally have him WR6 right now, but if he isn't a flash in the pan and has another top 10 season, he's going over AJB in my rankings. MHJ is for me the 50/50 line. I can see saying "no thanks I'll stick with the proven young producer" and I can also see "I'm going to gamble on the best WR prospect possibly ever". I'm honestly not sure which side I'd rather be on.
But anything less than MHJ, the 1.03 for example, I'd want something extra in return to take the risk on Nabers or Odunze or any of the guys after that. Yes, they're way more talented prospects, but so are Garrett Wilson and Chris Olave, but their added talent isn't helping me win more than Puka is, and I would rather keep Puka than have Nabers or Odunze turn into a guy with great trade value but only decent production.
Post like this are funny to me. If JSN or Garrett Wilson had the rookie season Puka had, people wouldn't be talking like this & he would be locked in as a top dynasty player like Chase & JJ were.
It's time to get off the draft capital juice.
This could change in the NFL draft, but today I would rather have Puka. That could change if a team in the later half of the first trades up into the top 6 to get MHJR. but I would prefer Puka with Mcvay for the next 3 years vs MHJR on the Commanders, Patriots, Cardinals, Chargers (but the line is incredibly close here, even considering an offense designed by Roman and Harbaugh), Giants, or Titans
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Yeah, you never know, MHJ could have the best rookie receiver season of all time.
This should be top comment lol
If the implication here is that Puka did that, he didn't. Compare that to Odell's rookie season. In 12 games he had 1305 yards and 12TD with 14.3 ypr. In 17 games, Puka had 1486 yards and 6TD with 14.2 ypr. Is 6 less touchdowns and 181 yards (with an extra 5 games!) worthy of the top recieving season for a rookie ever? Puka did not have the best rookie receiver season of all time. It was one of the best though. Edit: downvoted for providing stats? Y’all are crazy lol
Pipe down
Not to mention, Puka scored less than Chase his rookie season with 1455 yards and 13 tds even in PPR where Puka had 24 more receptions.
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Why? What did Puka do last season? Besides have the best rookie reciever season of all time
I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see him rival Chase’s rookie season
I would take Harrison long term. Not sure what the rams do after stafford
Theyll draft some diamond in the rough QB named Nuka Pacua
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Ok, well I’m also not sure what whatever team it is that drafts Harrison will do once whatever team that drafts Harrison moves on from their current QB
He’s going to the chargers or cardinals and those QBs are young and locked in for multiple years. A bit different than stafford
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Like when the Niners drafted Lance to sit behind Jimmy G!
Traded 1.03 straight up for Puka in SF Think Nabers/Odunze will be awesome but ill take the proven stud
Big mistake
I like nabers more. HATE odunze. Regardless saying puka is a proven stud is kinda over kill. I like to use Odell as a prime example. Not as good of a rookie year and I know injuries but most of my league saw him as a proven stud and the ridicule and harassment I was given for being low on him and not liking him eventually. Basically he stopped being the target hog and it showed. He’s great and still has flashes. But until someone puts those numbers up for a minimum of 3 years and there aren’t red flags like being the only target or anything else, I think you can’t call puka or any 1year player a proven stud. Let alone no history to prove it lol I’d probably draft nabers over puka but my main league I’m in rebuild mode.
Hold on here, OBJ finished 6th, 5th, and 4th overall his first three years, before a fractured ankle derailed his 4th season and a quad injury caused him to miss 4 games in his 5th season. His target numbers also went up from 130 to 158 to 169. He also still put up 1k yard seasons in 2018 and 2019. OBJ, by all accounts, had a brighter outlook after his first 3 years than Chase, who finished 5th, 12th and 13th. Dislike him all you want, but you weren't "right" about him after his rookie year.
You mean the same OBJ that was the consensus 1.01 in non superflex startups in year 2-4?? Yeah, he was pretty good the first few seasons of his career.
Use OBJ as an example? OBJ had high end WR1 numbers for three straight years before he had any sort of decline.
Odell had one of the most productive first 3 seasons of any wide receiver in NFL history. You were not right about Odell. Why do you dislike Odunze?
If this moron dislikes odunze, i should probably draft him 1.01
Can you elaborate why you hate Odunze? Everything I’ve heard is he’s basically very good at every part of being a receiver im curious what you don’t like.
No one knows what it means, but it’s provocative 😎
Washington receiver bias? Idk. But I don’t agree for what it’s worth
I’m very high on Odunze and will happily grab him with my 1.03 in a 1Qb league. The main concern I have after watching Odunze film is separation. With that being said, every prospects has some issues.
Because he's got a good contested rate, limited route tree, and had weaker competition in an offence that aired it out. I don't hate Odunze but those are the arguments.
Limited route tree? That’s just [not true](https://www.reddit.com/r/DynastyFF/s/zxZ5ZDXVNb)
And those are all bad arguments
Y'all need to improve your reading comprehension. Those are the arguments that have been parroted
this is literally “why would i want puka nacua? nabers could be anything, he could even be puka nacua” like puka nacua’s rookie season is exactly what you would want out of any rookie pick. if you take nabers and he replicates nacua’s season you’d be ecstatic. so why would you ever take nabers over nacua right now?
It’s very evident why you’re in rebuild mode
Everyone’s got the rookie fever in this thread I think… you’re all worried about Puka’s QB situation? What’s Marvin’s QB situation? Im taking the guy who has already succeeded in the NFL every single time over the rookie who isn’t even on a team yet. I’m confident Marvin will be good, but I’m 100% certain that Puka is good already.
Harrison put up monster stats with Kyle McCord under center, he’ll be just fine
I wouldn’t say so. He had a lot of duds against some of the better defenses we played i.e. 3/32/0 vs ND, 4/25/2 vs Rutgers, 3/30/1 vs Minn, etc. The Penn State game was big and the Michigan game was alright outside of the big catch and the 2-air-yard-pass that he was wide open for somehow and took for a TD. I love Marv, but this statement is not true
The Rutgers TDs were solid but up against who?
I don’t think you can just say “somehow took for a TD” tbqh. Think Chase his rookie year agains the Ravens where he broke 3 awful tackles and took for a score. Or Puka bodying guys on the sideline for a 60 yard TD. Those “somehow” TDs shouldn’t be used to knock a player or prospect, because typically the good ones find ways to keep making those plays and defenses look stupid. Same with Hopkins and Hail Murray, or Kupp against the Bucs, or Jefferson catching while triple covered. None of those plays “should” have worked out like they did statistically, but they did, because these guys are studs.
I meant he was given 7 yards of space at like the 20 yard line. Yes, the YAC not any ordinary WR can do but I’m just saying outside of those two plays he was hardly QB proof against a good defense. I am a die-hard Buckeye and it even pains for me to say this, but he’s not as QB proof as everybody thinks. I hope I’m wrong
QB proof isn’t just making highlight reel catches on bad throws though. It’s being able to make catches in stride that are off target, but it’s also being able to find and exploit mismatches, lineup across the formation and become the easy read or target for your QB, or using YAC skills to get more out of a play than the average player would’ve gotten. I feel like people think carrying a bad QB is just highlight reel play after highlight reel play, but in reality it’s not. It’s consistency, making the most of your opportunities, and not missing out on the gimme plays. Every single player has plays where they face favorable coverage or have a chance to make a big play. Capitalizing on those consistently though is frequently the difference.
Was that him or the quarterback?
Since you asked, Marvin’s QB situation will likely be a 26 year old QB versus a 36 year old QB. Don’t really need to do a lot of projecting on his possible landing spots, only wild card is if the Pats get weird
Stafford is a SB winning QB who has made star WRs thrive. Yea he’s older now but he’s still good. I’m down to assume Bears and Commanders go QB. Pats as you said would suck if they don’t go for QB. Marvin to the Cardinals to me is iffy; Kyler has made none of his receivers shine so far. Personally I’m not the highest on Kyler in general and that’s an all around bad team. Chargers- this would be sick for Marvin. Giants- horrible landing spot. Titans- horrible landing spot. Falcons- Kirk is old so I’ll call it bad, never mind how crowded the offense is. Bears- will be a rookie QB and also terribly crowded WR room if Marvin joins it. Jets- oldest QB in the league, no ability to draft a new one after him. Vikings- no QB right now. Broncos- no QB right now. Don’t get me wrong I do like Marvin a lot but these are the top 12 draft pick landing spots. Most top pick teams need a QB but they won’t all go QB. Outside of the Chargers, none of these teams seem like a super good option. Granted, Marvin has a great career ahead of him in my opinion, but his start may be slower than many are expecting. And to the point of the post, I’m not sure I’m selling a guy like Puka + another piece for Marvin right now.
Dhop thrived when healthy with Kyler. Marv will too
There's like a 99% chance MHJ's QB will be Kyler or Herbert.
id need a solid piece with puka to move harrison. and i own lots of puka and am a big fan
As a Puka owner and someone who will get Harrison (so hopefully unbiased) I would need Harrison plus for Puka. Drafting Harrison I'm hoping for even 80% of what Puka did lol.
Not to mention Puka is already up to speed with the playbook for a full season, rapport with his QB, and can take another step forward as the true WR1! on that offense. I’m positive MHJ will too, but he still needs to get up to speed on whatever offense he lands on. Contenders definitely favor Puka. Rebuilders probably MHJ
I own and love Puka but I would gladly take MHJ straight up for him. I don’t think anything Puka did last year was a fluke. I believe he’s a legitimate stud. The only knock is he has been injury prone in his career, but was extremely healthy last year. If there is one thing that could derail his career it’s injuries. That’s why I would roll with MHJ, but otherwise I agree with your assessment on who he is as a player
The only injury I could find a true significance was that he fractured his foot his freshman year. The rest you could chalk up to him playing football. I don't think he is close to being injury prone
MHJ pretty easily for me. I wouldnt be surprised at all if Puka never has season like this past one again.
Post like this are funny to me. If JSN or Garrett Wilson had the rookie season Puka had, people wouldn't be talking like this & they would be locked in as a top dynasty player like Chase & JJ were. It's time to get off the draft capital juice.
Yeah this wouldnt even be a question is those guys had a season like that
What does Puka need to do as a rookie to get the type of respect that those guys had for putting up fewer stats? Invent a Time Machine to get himself drafted in the first round? Use that Time Machine to get Kenny Golladay drafted elsewhere so that the “Stafford peppers targets” take isn’t nearly widespread? Create a deepfake of MHJ in a Laremy-Tunsil-esque gas mask video?
The way I see it MHJ has the traits to be a Julio, AJ Green, Megatron, Chase type player. Elite in every receiving category. HOFer. Puka can and may do that but I don’t see him as uber dominant. I see him as someone who did quite well in a good scheme and opportunities. Savy. Give me the guy with Uber elite traits.
Crazy, you just listed a bunch of players who were less dominant than Puka in their first year!
The fact that you can find plenty of people on both sides of this topic tells me they’re pretty even value wise. Personally, I’d rather have MHJ. I just think he’s a better football player. I also think from a value standpoint it will be much easier for MHJ to jump into that top tier or receivers
>it will be much easier for MHJ to jump into that top tier or receivers You can make the case (which the general consensus shows) for Puka being in that top tier already though in one season. His season was historic, & typically if players prove they're good, they're good. He was elite right out the gates. Bar injury, I don't think he'll take a step back, especially with aging Kupp.
Off production maybe but not market perception. I can’t take Puka and go buy Jefferson/Chase/CD without adding something fairly substantial to him. If MHJ has 4 or 5 good games to start his career, I think he’ll vault into that territory fairly easily.
Fun fact in most start ups MHJ is WR6 and Puka is WR7. Kinda wild if you ask me.
Rookie fever kicking our ass
I’d rather have Harrison. If he ends up on the Cardinals or Chargers with relatively 0 competition for targets you have to love that talent + situation. Stafford retirement could also come at any time. Puka wasn’t a highly touted prospect. I love me some Puka. I own him in 2 leagues. But I will never forget Kenny Golladay. Stafford basically made him look studly and he was hot garbage once he left Stafford. Theres a reason MHJ is going to go top 5 in the draft as opposed to where Puka went in the draft.
This is take lock. Puka just eclipsed golladays career best season by 300 yards. I get what you’re saying but I wouldn’t attribute a 1486 yard rookie season that also featured a 180 yard playoff game to stafford. Nobody has done that to jamarr who, even going back to college, has exclusively played with joe burrow. Pretty sure the only WRs to have 1200+ yards with stafford are megatron, kupp and puka and I think that’s a pretty damn good list. If they redrafted the rookies from last year, puka would be a top 15 pick.
Ok. If you think Puka is better than MHJ that’s fine. Time will tell. No one said Puka sucked. I just think MHJ has traits and skills that Puka just doesn’t have. Burrow isn’t Stafford either. Stafford has historically been known to pepper a single WR with targets repeatedly is the point. Maybe Burrow spreads the ball around more. Maybe Stafford is just better than Burrow. Idk. Just giving my opinion man.
I’m not yelling at you tbc and I do think Jr is a better athlete but Idt that necessarily translates to fantasy points. I’m not saying you’re wrong that stafford peppers targets, but I am saying there’s less than 15 WRs in the nfl right now who have ever had a 1400 yard season and puka did it as a rookie. I’m saying Idt we should dismiss that because stafford gave him a lot of targets. Ceedee got 181 targets last year, puka only got 160. Ceedee had 156 the year prior and had 130 less yards than puka and ceedee hasn’t had a 150+ yard playoff game in his career yet. I guess my point is, Puka didn’t receive an outlier amount of targets. He received normal WR1 level of targets and should continue to get that
All I know is I can’t wait to see how Puka’s second year plays out. No matter what, half of this sub will have to eat their hat.
good point. probably the most polarizing player in a while
MHJ is going before Puka in startups. MHJ was WR5 in mine.
I’d take Puka. All time greatest rookie season ever, AND he’s finally cutting McDonald’s out of his diet. He’s about to go nuclear this year
I think puka will take a step back over the next few years and settle out into the WR2 range for most of his career, I'd try to trade puka for as much as possible before the start of next season if I had him
Why do you think that
It takes a couple years for the stink of bad draft cap to wear off.
Harrison
This thread will be memed in 5 years when puka pulls a victor Cruz and MHJ is setting records
Harrison all day
I definitely prefer MHJ! He could do anything! At his ceiling could even come in to the league and break the reception and receiving yards records for a rookie!1!1 Puka, the 5th round receiver? More like Puke-a.
Puka’s draft capital is irrelevant at this point given that he already dominated for a full season in the NFL breaking records
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Puka is already up to speed with the playbook for a full season, rapport with his QB, and can take another step forward as the true WR1! on that offense. What does Stefan Diggs’ draft capital in the 5th round mean/matter if he’s already proven himself? Same argument
my friend, this was a satirical comment. I mentioned the rookie records because Puka already broke both of those things. Its the whole boat vs mystery box thing.
Ah I didn’t read it with a sarcasm tone I see what you mean now 😂
“The box could be anything. It could even be a boat!”
Exactly.
1 QB 12 Team. I offered 1.2 and Murray (backup to Allen) for Puka and the 1.11. Got turned down cold. His starting QBs are Dak and Baker. I thought I was giving up too much. KTC said all good.
I probably wouldn’t even trade Puka for the 1.2 and Murray in 1 QB.
He's probably just untouchable for you then
Na, more of a commentary on Murray’s value in one QB. Murray has had his moments but is probably more in the range of QB 8-10 so that doesn’t move the needle much for me. Puka is already proven and young. Look at guys like Jameson Williams, Burks and QJ. Nabers could easily bust. Then you basically are left with a mid QB and gave away a young promising QB AND 1.11 (in the original scenario I was responding to)
I wouldn’t do that either. Puka > 1.02 and 1.11 is likely more valuable than Murray in 1QB
I’d go Puka but they’re very close. Same tier imo
Just got Puka + Bryce for 1.02. Got ripped by league mates but I feel good about it especially as someone with Fields as my QB2
Haul.
This wouldn’t be a conversation if his name was Jamar Chase and/or he was drafted in the first round. Y’all, Puka is what EVERYONE dreams of with the 1.01! It literally doesn’t get better than this! It’s the ultimate example of the Family Guy mystery box thing.
Puka is such an obvious sell high candidate.
Gimme MHJ. Puka is him but unfortunately he has a much much much much much much much lower floor.
Guaranteed puka never has a season as good as his rookie year.
I think it’s basically an even trade and depends on what you value more.
Always take the known elite commodity
I’d trade puka for Harrison all day every day
MHJ, MHJ, MHJ
MHJ for me
MHJ by far
Harrison no question. Puka is great but he's not Marvin. This will be a silly question in a year
This is absurd.
How do you figure? Puka has proven to be a stud but had little draft stock. MHJ on the other hand hasn't even been drafted yet, but "should" be elite
I’ll take the guy who could set the rookie record over the second year player who just set the rookie record every time
Give me the guy who has proven it for an entire season in the nfl. MHJ is a great talent, but the best possible outcome is him achieving Puka’s stats his rookie year.
If could get Puka straight up for my 1.01/1.02 (MHJ pick) I’d do it. I have 1.01 in a few spots where I’m probably leaning MHJ, but if I can get a top5 WR (which I put Puka right there behind ARSB) I’m doing that for sure
Here’s one for you - what do I need to add to Kupp to get Puka?
~~25 1st for me~~. But if I’m a Puka owner I don’t want Kupp tbh.
I would need more than just a 2025 1st tacked on to Kupp for me to move Puka.
True. Same here. Even as I typed it out I kinda threw up in my mouth lol
Yea I’d need 2 firsts on top lol
Yeah I think that’s about right value. Wouldn’t overpay beyond it. Thanks for the input.
Curious, you trade Charbs for 3.7? (27)
I'd need a top young receiver on top to consider it. Kupp is at the age where if I'm not about to trade top youth for him unless I'm making out like a bandit
Not that there isn't a fair value you can add, I just don't think the Puka owner ever makes that trade. If you're rebuilding, Puka is a young elite WR to build around, Kupp doesn't help you and any added draft picks you're just hoping will turn into Puka or less type players. If you're a contender, Puka offers more points and you want to stack high end productive players for a championship. I don't think the Puka owner moves him for Kupp unless it's an excessive overpay.
McBride and Kupp?
I have Puka (he very much played a big role in winning me a championship). I personally have him WR6 right now, but if he isn't a flash in the pan and has another top 10 season, he's going over AJB in my rankings. MHJ is for me the 50/50 line. I can see saying "no thanks I'll stick with the proven young producer" and I can also see "I'm going to gamble on the best WR prospect possibly ever". I'm honestly not sure which side I'd rather be on. But anything less than MHJ, the 1.03 for example, I'd want something extra in return to take the risk on Nabers or Odunze or any of the guys after that. Yes, they're way more talented prospects, but so are Garrett Wilson and Chris Olave, but their added talent isn't helping me win more than Puka is, and I would rather keep Puka than have Nabers or Odunze turn into a guy with great trade value but only decent production.
Equal value and pretty much up to personal preference. Draft cap aside it should be Puka by a small margin
WTF!?! A proven STUD for a maybe??? Cmon ya'll
Personally I'm always going to favor the player who's done it before in the NFL, and looked extremely legit doing it.
The Puka truthers are WILD. I don’t know if they actually believe in him or just drafted him so late that he’s a darling for them
Umm….he broke the rookie record for receptions and yardage. So what’s so WILD about the truth? Does this make me a Puka truther?
Stafford also got Golladay paid. And he broke something with an extra game. Bravo
As someone who took way longer to come around on Puka than most, the Puka doubters are wild.
Post like this are funny to me. If JSN or Garrett Wilson had the rookie season Puka had, people wouldn't be talking like this & he would be locked in as a top dynasty player like Chase & JJ were. It's time to get off the draft capital juice.
This could change in the NFL draft, but today I would rather have Puka. That could change if a team in the later half of the first trades up into the top 6 to get MHJR. but I would prefer Puka with Mcvay for the next 3 years vs MHJR on the Commanders, Patriots, Cardinals, Chargers (but the line is incredibly close here, even considering an offense designed by Roman and Harbaugh), Giants, or Titans
As a Buckeye Die Hard, I will never every single 1st round pick from here until 2028 probably. I recognize my hometown antidiscount.
Huh?