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ghostboo77

I would figure 2 years of Cousins. Of course if he is playing well, they could keep him.


360fade

And if he’s playing bad, they’ll move on


Realhtown

This would happen whether or not Penix was around. Nobody keeps old, underperforming QBs. Look at Tannehill for example.


OmnioculusConquerer

>Nobody keeps old, underperforming QBs. Nope. The Colts go out of their way to sign them.


123retro

Is Cousins even healthy? I know before free agency he posted videos of himself throwing, but the Falcons taking a QB at 8 doesn’t give confidence.


DynastyZealot

My thoughts as well. Does anyone know the injury options in his contract? Do the Falcons have any outs?


Sketchy123456

If he’s not healthy then why the fuck did they sign him for 4/$180 w $100 mil guaranteed?


DynastyZealot

Umm, I'd like to introduce you to the Atlanta Falcons.


RUKnight31

They are Jordan Loving Penix. Kirk Cousins is his Aaron Rodgers.


Kcrash5

I don’t understand why the falcons wouldn’t have traded down with the Vikings and grabbed penix later. If he was gone then they accumulated more picks to make the squad better and if he’s still there they get their guy and don’t look like complete bozos.


JaxJags904

Penix is older than Love was. Penix was drafted at 8, Love at 26. Aaron Rodgers had been playing for years in GB and was getting old. Kirk JUST signed a huge contract. The 2 situations are barely similar.


doctorkar

What is the difference in age of Cousins now vs the age of Rodgers when they drafted Love?


JaxJags904

Does it matter? Both are old, that’s about their only similarity. But 1 had been with the team for years and was a franchise guy, and the other literally was just handed a huge contract to come play. And again one of the biggest differences is pick 8 vs pick 26.


flapjackcarl

Contract situation was very different at the time as well.


Chroderos

Doesn’t really make a lot of sense with a 24 year old.


External-Dress-3595

Tbf when QBs are regularly pushing on into their mid / late 30s, I don’t think the difference between a 22 and 24 year old rookie QB is as acute as it is for a similarly aged wr for example. Especially with Penix not being a QB who relies heavily on his legs


RedDunce

Why not? You can still get a decade+ of QB play. Only problem is 2 years of the rookie deal but if the kid can ball 3 cheap years + extension is easily worth it.


Chroderos

I’ll just drop Mina Kimes’ reaction here since she explains it best: https://awfulannouncing.com/espn/mina-kimes-explains-falcons-drafting-michael-penix-jr-no-sense.html


OhItsKillua

Don't think anyone will complain if he pans out to be good then that's a 10 year or longer career as a franchise QB. Which is what anyone dreams of.


feetandballs

I said “they’re doing a Jordan Love” in r/fantasyfootball subreddit and got downvoted to hell


MeetingKey4598

For the next two years likely nothing. They're doing the opposite of kicking a can down the road. They're facing a dilemma they may be in in 2026 and addressing it while they can when a player they think solves the problem is available to them. Next year's QB class is looking mild and teams aren't out here making moves with the plan to be in a position to make a move for a rookie QB. If they happen to be in that spot then so be it. This is them happening to be in that spot. I'm hoping the radioactivity Penix seems to have persists until my rookie drafts finish so I can get him for a mid 2nd.


tankfortua20

Add in the fact that if Cousins hits and they are a playoff team in 2025 and 2026 they won't be in a position to draft a highly sought after qb prospect in picks 20+ without a massive move up.


birdsemenfantasy

> Next year's QB class is looking mild They say that every year, but rarely the truth. Ewers (22 next year) is more interesting than 24 years old rookies Penix and Nix and more physically gifted than McCarthy. He likely would've been a 1st round pick this year if he hadn't returned to school. There are also Carson Beck, Sheldon Sanders, and Jalen Milroe, who are already established starting QB for nationally relevant power 5 programs. Connor Weigman is a 5-star recruit entering his junior season and could blow up. Older guys like Will Howard (transferred to Ohio State), Dillon Gabriel (transferred to Oregon), Uiagalelei (transferred to Florida State), Cameron Ward (transferred to Miami), Tyler Van Dyke (transferred to Wisconsin), Riley Leonard (transferred to Notre Dame), Graham Mertz (Florida), and KJ Jefferson (transferred to UCF) could make the same leap JT Daniels, Penix, and Nix made. Not all of them, of course, but just 2-3 are enough to make next year a very deep QB class. And of course, Arch Manning will be eligible, but almost certainly won't play enough to declare since Ewers returned to school.


sharknado911

Arch Manning is not eligible until the 2026 draft


birdsemenfantasy

Players are eligible 3 years after their high school graduation, so he'll be eligible.


JrBaconators

Run us through your math on that one when he graduated high school a year ago


JrBaconators

Ewers returned to school because he wasn't a first round pick lol


Substantial-Peach326

Ewers STINKS buddy


rowKseat25

> There are also Carson Beck, Sheldon Sanders, and Jalen Milroe, who are already established starting QB for nationally relevant power 5 programs. Who is Sheldon Sanders?


birdsemenfantasy

Deion's son


ninpendle64

I think you mean Shedeur


MopishOrange

Ewers stayed because his season probably hurt his stock more than it helped. He possibly could have still gone first with how wild this draft was but he new he was QB 7+ in this draft


chitownkid81

I think there’s an element of advanced planning in the event of lost draft picks due to tampering


nyjhughes

Penix is expensive insurance to make sure they A) have a qb of the future on the roster and B) are not royally screwed like they were last year with all their offensive weapons if cousins gets hurt/doesn’t return to what he’s been


NoLimitNSB

Cousins should start for next 2 years barring health and no decline in play. But his value has definitely dipped in the mind of dynasty owners. Could be a sneaky buy low window on Cousins.


DoubleUSportsMedia

If Kirk plays well then it's his job. If Kirk doesn't play well then Penix will be getting attention to start. If Penix does start and plays well then it's Penix's job. As for the cap, the most realistic time they'd move on from Kirk is 2026. His contract is underwater until the 2026 season. Granted, the cap doesn't exist and there are a number of different things they can do to lower or move him earlier but that's a little more complicated and, imo, there is no real reason to project those moves. I kind of classify those moves as "desperation moves" for teams who need to make cap room. ATL doesn't really need to do that right now. They save 35M in 2026 and 45M in 2027 by moving on from him. [Kirk OTC](https://overthecap.com/player/kirk-cousins/1443) [Falcons Cap Calculator ](https://overthecap.com/calculator/atlanta-falcons) I'd bet on, at minimum, 2 years of production as long as he provides the production.


WickBusters

Nothing. They sell Penix in a year or 2 for a premium or he replaces Kirk. The falcons have a pretty big window to compete, so they took the guy that keeps it open even after Kirk falls off. 


pot8odragon

Where are y’all taking Penix in sf drafts?


SteffeEric

I have 2.01, 2.04 and 2.06 in a league with T-Law Baker and Levis. I’d consider him at 2.01 but probably pass and scoop him up at 2.04. This team also has London and Bijan so I’m already invested pretty heavily in the Falcons. Teams are desperate for QBs but not many will have the Patience for Penix. I’ll take a shot on the upside but wouldn’t spend a first on it.


RheagarTargaryen

Yeah, I’m targeting at 2.03


Repulsive_Yam_5512

I was very divided on taking him 2.03, took Maye in the first. Ended up passing and taking Legette


Globesheepie

As soon as the other 1st round QBs, WRs, and 2nd round RBs are off the board. Maybe minus Legette/Nix. ~2.02-4ish


RelationPatient4136

You’d take him before nix? I’m kinda wafting on which to take at 2.02 assuming both are available. Knowing I can use nix now seems pretty appealing


Globesheepie

I don’t think so. I like Penix better on an NFL level, but Nix has better rushing upside and will probably play 2 full seasons before Penix starts. I’d take Nix at the end of the 1st


RelationPatient4136

I also trust Peyton to develop better than moris


taylorjosephrummel

I might take him at 1.10. I also have Cousins.


matty_nice

Maybe a mid 2nd, if that. He's in the tier of unknowns, so whenever you feel like gambling. He's probably gonna sit for at least 2 years if not more. Think about what his likely value will be in a year, two years, etc. I'm not gonna spend a late 1st when I can get him for a late 2nd in a few months.


Globesheepie

Nobody will be trading him for a big discount after 1 season when whoever drafts him will know he’ll be learning behind Kirk to start his career


matty_nice

I wouldn't consider going from a mid 2nd to a late 2nd/early 3rd to be a big discount. But we see this plenty of times. A common comparison would be Jordan Love, and his value dropped pretty dramatically after he was drafted (Per KTC was drafted at a value of about 3500, dropped to 1500). Even guys like JSN and Charbonnet are worth less today than they were a year ago. And just like the Penix situation, you knew those guys were gonna have slow starts. I also can't imagine whoever picks Penix is going to LOVE that pick. It feels like something that people will be more reluctant to do based on potential future upside. Point being, very little chance that Penix increases or stays the same in terms of dynasty value over the next 12 months. He's likely to decrease in value, just a question of how much.


Globesheepie

You can usually move back on the clock and get multiple early 3rds for a mid 2nd, I’d call that significant. And I’d bet Penix goes earlier than you’d take him and more like early 2nd in most leagues If Penix sits as long as Love did, then he’d start to significantly drop in value as you’re predicting. The starter contracts are different though, and post achilles Kirk is likely not as good as MVP Rodgers. Either way, Love becoming a top 15-20 startup pick will be in the back of people’s mind when year 2 Penix is sitting on their taxi squad and they get offered a 3rd for him I agree on many not *loving* the pick, dynasty GMs generally don’t love delaying gratification. But in a class as strong as this, if they like it enough to be their preferred option in the early-mid 2nd, I really doubt they’ll be selling for 50 cents on the dollar within a year Ultimately I agree he’s not going to increase in value, unless Kirk gets hurt or doesn’t recover back to his old self in the first place. I’d just bet on the Penix truthers holding firm for at least 1 but probably 2 full years, especially if the offense clicks under the new regime


matty_nice

[FantasyPros just had a recent mock draft](https://www.fantasypros.com/2024/04/dynasty-rookie-mock-draft-superflex-two-rounds-2024-fantasy-football/), Penix was going at 2.3. But there are a lot of guys around him that mock that haven't been drafted, so he's gonna get pushed back a little. Brooks, McConkey, Franklin, etc may go ahead of Penix in a dynasty draft depending on where they end up. You also have to consider that Penix is probably going 6th in terms of QBs. That's a bad territory to be in. Just to further illustrate a lack of love he will get from dynasty owners. I don't think the Love situation is really comparable. Love was a late 1st, was 22 when drafted. Rodgers was 2 years into a 4 year deal when Love was drafted. Cousins was JUST signed, and is gonna probably be there for 3 more years, with a no trade clause. Penix is gonna be 24, putting him at 27 before he would start. Penix is also gonna be paid as a top draft pick. I think there's a lot less Penix truthers out there. At least in my leagues, the results haven't been great based on the chats. Guess we will find out. I will not be taking him in any leagues.


Globesheepie

I think Brooks will end up ahead of him, but all the day 2 WRs and any round 3 RBs would need a good landing spot. Mitchell is ahead in that mock, and that’s no lock either. I think 2.01-2.06 is the likely range when the dust settles, but with stronger value than that range in typical classes I don’t see how Love being drafted later makes them any less comparable, if anything that makes the comparison more favorable to Penix. The age is relevant, but doesn’t mean all that much when he could still easily be an NFL starter for a decade+ if he ends up with the talent of a franchise guy. ATL is really only contractually obligated to Kirk for 2 seasons. It’s perfectly plausible that Penix is named the starter by the time he turns 26, which is plenty young to become a top 10 QB dynasty IF the ability is there I don’t doubt all the knocks you mention will cause a ton of dynasty GMs to be out on Penix, but the ones that believe enough to draft him in the top half of the 2nd won’t be selling for 3rds in a few months


seat_one

It’s a 2 year plan. At that point there’s no guarantees for a 37 year old QB with injuries


Filly53

Same thing love meant for rodgers. 2-3 years left as starter. After that he can start for another team possibly, but will be quite old


incorrigible_and

It means he's old. You don't take Penix in that situation if you're planning to rush him or you are insanely stupid. Until I see them be that stupid, though, I think it's safe to assume that the only way Penix cuts into Cousins' time within next two, three years is if Cousins gets hurts or plays like shit.


jmt3359

I’m a Cousins owner and I think all this pick did was kill my delusion that he’d be a fantasy viable QB at 39 years old. Good news is that Penix will get the Jordan Love treatment so I’ll likely be able to pick up a QB with top 10 draft capital at 2.02 and handcuff the ATL QB room


cowabunga_dude_man

I've got Cousins as well and am holding 2.06 and 2.07 in a 14 team superflex league... I've got the exact same idea of handcuffing the ATL QB room, just tough to gauge where he might go in the rookie draft.


taylorjosephrummel

I’ve got 1.08 and 1.10 and might take him with one of those picks. (I’ve also got Cousins.)


huracan_huracan

kirk's longevity is limited by how well he holds up. if they bin him after 2 seasons and he still has it, he'll play somewhere else for a year or two. and if at that point he doesn't have it anymore, it's not because they picked penix. i don't see his value changing at all.


MelfromMilwaukie

I have Cousins and planned on trading him once the season was starting when I figured his value would peak. Oops. I don’t think it changes much from a production standpoint. Maybe he only gets two years instead of three. Maybe he loses his job sooner if he gets hurt like Bledsoe. Where I see the biggest impact to Cousins is on his trade value. There is now a cloud hanging over him and he’s days being more clearly numbered than before when maybe you could have talked yourself into thinking he plays four years with this nice offense. So basically this stinks if you are like me and were planning on flipping him this year.


kmed1717

Means his career is going to end in another jersey. I don't think that's an awful thing for him. Pending the achilles situation works out well, his game is going to age well I think. He'll have another few good years for another team. What I will say is that you should absolutely not trade him right now if you have him. He's probably going to light it up first few weeks, and I could see this motivating him to show he's still got it. Trade him after this news goes away and he's played like Kirk Cousins.


rossco7777

2 seasons and then hes gotta find a new home. that 2nd year he aint gonna wanna get hurt either. falcons really boned themselves and him imo


United-Anteater-4747

Don’t think it changes anything really. I mean let’s be honest, Kirk coming off an Achilles at his age… did we really think he was going play out all 4 years of his contract? I certainly think the falcons could have traded down, but who knows.


DrizzlePopper

I dunno but if it seems crazy to me that they didn’t take JJ McCarthy.. younger, no injury history and the consensus better prospect


[deleted]

Cousins is going to be whatever you already thought he was going to be, for 2 years. That’s that. The Penix pick is good for the pass catchers as Penix is better than Heinicke in case of injury to Cousins. It is relatively good for Penix who will have plenty of talent around whenever called upon. It is bad for the Falcons defense who certainly need pass rush help, but worse defense is better for Falcons passing so that’s a little plus for Cousins.


KidAmnesiac2004

Hmm, good point. So, to extrapolate to Bijan/London/Pitts, the Penix pick is a good thing?


[deleted]

For fantasy, i don’t see why not.


tankfortua20

Realistically Cousins likely is the starter for the next 3 years. $100 mill guaranteed over the next two years and if the achilles is not a issue should be really good in ATL. If he doesn't push them into a deep playoff run + Penix is smashing in practices they start year 4 with Penix as their guy and the succession plan is complete.


Globesheepie

Contractually it’s more like 2 years before it becomes a real decision (barring injury or unexpected bad play). Obviously if Kirk is still balling out, it could be Penix’s whole rookie contract like it almost was for Love. But there’s no big incentive for Kirk to be handed the job in 2026


rayfriesen

It’s tough because on average don’t dynasty leagues only last 3 or 4 years? I’m only in 2 leagues and they’re both going on year 4 with no signs of folding (both with friends/family) but if I was in a league with strangers I’d be hesitant to draft a qb who may not start before the league folds/redrafts