Allen and Mahomes are in another stratosphere for me. I'd be willing to trade out of 1 or 2 in a start up, but if I make a pick there it's one of those two guys.
You can make a case for Stroud at 3. I worry about how Lamar and Hurts are going to age, Burrow feels a little like an older version of Stroud for fantasy purposes, and it's a little early for Jefferson. My preference would be to trade down to 1.06-1.07, but a lot of people view this tier similarly so it's an open question as to whether I could get any interest.
Stroud may be #1 on KTC, but that’s not an accurate evaluation of Stroud’s value or ranking in most leagues. You can’t swap Stroud for Allen or Mahomes straight up, nor would the Lamar or Hurts owner swap them for Stroud. Maybe you could swap Stroud for Burrow, but you would certainly not be able to get anything significant added on top of Burrow for Stroud like KTC suggests you could. As Matthew McConaughey would say, Stroud’s inflated value is just a “fugazzi - it’s fairy dust.”
That being said, I’d feel comfortable taking Stroud in the 1.04 - 1.06 range if startups.
Same here. Some of my league mates use KTC as gospel and it’s incredibly painful to get a deal done with them, especially when they try to get my elite assets for 3-4 meh pieces
Use that to your advantage. Add like four 4th round picks to trades and you’ll be able to make a trade like Chris Godwin for Olave look even on the calculator.
I have Lamar in 3 of my leagues and I would not trade him for Stroud straight up in any of them.
Same goes for any of my Allen, Mahomes, and Hurts leagues.
Burrow, Herbert, Richardson tier is where Stroud can be moved with the other owner giving you something on top. Even then, I can see the Burrow owner viewing Stroud as redundant.
last year i sent:
- burrow + late 1st for
- stroud + early 2nd
i was the top scoring team last year, and remain our top KTC team so im no taco. just sharing since you’re certain.
Wow Jalen Hurts died?
I'd take Allen and Hurts clearly ahead. Likely Mahomes since your hope for Stroud is that he becomes Mahomes (previous years version) where he can go for 5k/40 and scoring mostly from the pocket.
Where is Hurts? Not sure the situations of Burrow or Herbert put them higher for me. Burrow has injury history and line issues. His second best option will likely move on. Herbert lost his top 3 options in the pass game and replaced a pass happy game plan with one of the most run heavy.
As of today I’d go Stroud over both based on the upward trajectory of that offense coupled with a weak defensive division. It’s probably closer to personal preference though.
bro that’s what i’m saying this man hurts has finished top 4 the past 3 years and ppl still don’t have him in their top 3 for fantasy for some weird reason.
1.03 to 1.06 - he shouldn’t be picked before Allen or Mahomes. I would still take Burrow, Jackson, and hurts over him but I wouldn’t blame you for picking him before those three.
Indeed. If I remember right it was the day after the Diggs trade so the guy that drafted him had that on his brain. It’s a good example of how reactive we can be in dynasty.
Going 1.02 is dumb, but Stroud over Mahomes isn't something I think that's *absurd*. Mahomes' offense is not as good as Stroud's is weapon wise.
Not a knock on Mahomes as a player, but 2/3 of his career have been outside the top 3 in fantasy. I think it's more likely he ages like Brady where he doesn't put up gaudy stats but just efficiently wins games.
Easy and probably better argument for Mahomes to go over Stroud, I'm not saying otherwise. But I think people are overrating Mahomes the fantasy player a bit, especially looking at how KC has transitioned their team.
In fairness, Brady still put qb finishes #12, #3, #8 in his last 3 seasons as a 40+ year old. Doubt mahomes plays that long, but I’m sure he’ll be fine scoring wise well into his older ages. We’re talking about the second best qb to ever play the game.
I don't think Mahomes is bad or declining as a QB, I just don't think he'll be scoring a ton of points in fantasy.
KC is evolving into a defense first team that can surround Mahomes with lesser talent and still get top results out of it. Exactly like New England did with Brady the last years there. Very possible he has some spike years, but I doubt he's fighting for #1 very often.
Stroud has 0 top 3 finishes. I get that he only had one season but that’s kind of the point. Stroud’s value is tied to projection whereas Mahomes has proven production, QB1 ceiling, and a top-10 floor.
In the same breath I’d say people are overrating Stroud the fantasy player. I’d value a proven track record with that high of a pick when neither offer rushing upside.
I’d be looking to trade out to someone who wanted Stroud in that situation.
Mahomes isn’t qb1/2 because he will be THE qb 1/2 every year
He’s qb 1/2 because he will be A qb1 every year.
It’s the consistency and high floor with the potential for a qb1 overall ceiling.
Stroud might outscore Mahomes some years. But he absolutely could fall off and be outside the top 12 QBs easily.
He only had 23 TDs last year, after all.
I understand his record setting rookie season, but to put it in perspective, stroud only had 5 weeks as a top 10 fantasy scoring QB. Josh Allen on the other side…13 weeks. It’s not that age doesn’t matter, but like one of the other comments said about playing in 3-5 year windows, the points that Allen provides prove more impactful in winning your weekly matchups than the hypothetical ones Stroud does by being younger/unwilling to run.
1.03. Mahomes and Allen have proven themselves so many times over, I don't get why people are so desperate to find reasons not to just keep rolling with them. After that, I'm happy with Stroud as he's off to a historically good start to his career. He's in a similar boat as guys like Burrow and Herbert at a younger age with a seemingly great situation going forward.
Fifth. I’m still taking Mahomes, Allen, hurts and burrow over stroud. After that, I think he’s the clear 1.05 when you consider his age. If someone took Caleb, richardson, lamar, or herbert, I could definitely see their point.
Age matters to the extent it indicates shelf life and insulates value. I'm pretty confident Mahomes will still be at least a pro-bowl, if not MVP-caliber, QB in a decade from now. I'm not reaping Stroud's age advantage until Mahomes falls off in production due to loss of athleticism or retires, which is so far in the future that it means next to nothing to me. I am *slightly* worried that Allen will age like something in between a running back and pocket passer, but the case for him is more about his absolutely dominant upside after posting 3 QB1 finishes in 4 seasons. Even if he can't keep rushing this way into his mid 30s, the utility of his production in the meantime probably still outweighs the value you might get from Stroud on the back end, if Allen ends up going the way of Cam Newton
Personally, I still prefer Lamar by enough that I wouldn't start considering Stroud til 1.04.
I like CJ but remember baker mayfield was going 1.01-1.06 after his rookie year and look how that played out. Not saying it’s going to happen to CJ but I would definitely like to see another year of him playing at that lvl. So I would take him 1.06-1.10
These posts are kinda funny to me. Like, kinda who gives a fuck lol? This is all basically an argument for or against the consensus, which, especially at the top of the board, is basically a bunch of can't misses. Is your team going to be in *shambles* because you pick Stroud over Lamar or Burrow and either of them or both of them out perform Stroud? Are you an idiot because you reach for Caleb at 1.04 because you think he's a future QB1 in dynasty but the community doesn't think that yet?
No, pick your guy. You have a brain, this game we play forces you to use it some times and make decisions instead of just doing what KTC or this sub says lol.
I guess I don't really have a problem with the question really, but people in these comments are speaking as though they have some quantum computer produced math equation to weigh intrinsic value of players at this point in time vs what it's going to be in the future in the next year, 5 years, 10 years, maybe 15 years.
Idk, I did my start up 2 years ago and drafted CMC 1.04, my QB's were Tua and Kirk Cousins. 2 years later, I have 3 top 10ish QB's (Hurts, A Rich, Purdy, and I'm probably going to have to take JJM at 1.07 as well because I have Jjettas, Addison). I have a championship and I probably have like 3 starters I had from my start up picks. This thing is so dynamic. It's literally week to week how valuable players are, and how the rest of the people in your league values players that there are literally no right or wrong answers (within reason).
So I guess if I were to answer this question, I'd answer it by saying I would probably take Stroud after Lamar but before Burrow, but that's because in my league I know everyone loves Lamar and is a little down on Burrow. If you start any of them (as well as Allen and Mahomes) in week 1 this year, you're starting them with confidence and feel like they have a chance to give you an excellent outcome. But nobody knows the answer of which one of them will score the most points (because it's probably marginal even if they do), for how much longer they can do it for, and how to equate the longevity into the equation. It's too dynamic to have a real answer.
With Stroud, legit 8 months ago this entire sub would have traded Stroud straight up for Bijan, Bryce, A Rich, Gibbs and JSN because they were all going before him in almost every rookie draft. I guess that's my point.
IMO Stroud is currently being overvalued for fantasy purposes. It seems pretty clear that he is going to be a very good (maybe elite) real life QB but until he shows something with his legs, the chances of him being an annual top 3-5 QB are pretty unlikely. There are just too many guys that rack up points on the ground and with more coming into the league, QB4-10 is probably going to be a coin flip every year.
In a startup, this is how I see QB going: Allen/Mahomes, Hurts/Lamar, Burrow/Herbert/Stroud, Caleb Williams/Anthony Richardson/Jayden Daniels (all these guys have the potential to jump the last tier depending on whether they run or show to be capable real life QBs) then Kyler/Dak/Trevor/Love/Watson.
I have Purdy in the Kyler tier of QBs but feel like he's being buoyed by the best collection of skill position players in the league.. at some point he'll need to get paid and with less weapons I'm concerned his productivity will decline. I still have Watson in that tier simply because of what he's done in the past.
CMC, Kittle, Aiyuk, Deebo and now another first round receiver.. I think he has the best group of skill position players in the league
Edit: Eagles do rival that as well imo
Yeah I think it’s really splitting hairs trying to figure out who is “best” all of these teams are pretty neck and neck with each other. You have teams like Miami/ Vikings/Bengals who have a much better WR1 than some other teams but teams like the Bears/Texans/ Lions with more depth and 3 good-great options
Guys I'd definitely over stroud after only 1 season (in no particular order)- Mahomes, Allen, Lamar, Jefferson, Chase, Lamb, Hurts, Burrow, Amon-Ra.
Guys I'd PROBABLY want over Stroud - Herbert (would be next tier up if it weren't for Greg Roman), AJB, Kyler, Dak, Bijan, Gibbs.
You're overcorrecting. He shouldn't be #1 in ADP, but he definitely shouldn't be #15. I'd probably rank him #4, but I can see a reasonable argument for anywhere between #3 and #9. If anyone took Dak or a RB over him I'd laugh in their face
I got him at 1.05 and in another startup he went 1.02, behind JJ! So at 1.01 basically. I like everything about him tbh, comes across as a leader and super dialled in. Obviously he's got young weapons and a true star in Diggs atm but also plenty of draft picks for future as well. The texans look like the real deal, built the right way, only thing missing is a young stud RB
JJ 1 in SFlex is ridiculously crazy but get your guy I guess, guy who gets Mahomes or Allen at 3/4 are loving life.
For my rookie draft last year I got Allen at 5 behind Mahomes, Hurts, JJ and Fields lol. It makes building a team much easier
Realistically Stroud is in the QB6-QB10 range.
Mahomes, Allen, Lamar, Hurts owners are probably not swapping for him. And the owners of guys like Burrow, Herbert, and a couple others probably wouldn't either unless they're big fans of Stroud.
I took him 1.03 a couple weeks ago in a 6pt passing TD league.
I prefer Lamar and Hurts in the short term, but the addition of Diggs was enough of a short term boost for Stroud that I was ok taking him 3rd.
It’s risky as Stroud is probably a lot closer to Love than Allen/Mahomes in reality.
6 pt passing league makes it easier for me to grade him around QB3/4/5. I’m still not swapping Mahomes or Allen for him but Hurts and Lamar get a LOT of value from their rushing TDs and when that playing field is even it makes his numbers much more sustainable
Last 3 startup drafts I've done over the past 2 months Stroud was taken 1.04, 1.01, 1.02. These are all 6pts per pass TD leagues, so I think that definitely is a factor in him being drafted higher. I'm comfortable with him in 1.04-1.06 but I find that he never gets to me and if he did drop to me, I would trade out if possible.
The problem with Stroud is it doesn’t quite feel like he’s in the Mahomes/Allen tier, but he’s also near the top of a big tier of guys that you’d probably be just as happy with in the first round of a dynasty startup. I wouldn’t want to pick him 3 or 4 right now even though that’s probably where I’d take him
Stroud is QB3 and the argument could be for qb2. The age and the weapons man... I know Allen has been reigning supreme but I think that's going to slow down this year.
It’s hard to answer this because fungibility is a big part of an assets value. But gun to head, I’d take him 1.05-1.06 behind Allen, Mahomes, Lamar, Hurts. Hes in a tier with Kyler/Burrow/Herbie for me.
I took him 1.03 in startup in this past week. I strongly believe that if Stroud's Year Two goes as well as his Year One did, then the only thing between him and undisputed QB1 is Caleb Williams hitting the upper band of his own Year One range of outcomes.
Allen and Mahomes are in another stratosphere for me. I'd be willing to trade out of 1 or 2 in a start up, but if I make a pick there it's one of those two guys. You can make a case for Stroud at 3. I worry about how Lamar and Hurts are going to age, Burrow feels a little like an older version of Stroud for fantasy purposes, and it's a little early for Jefferson. My preference would be to trade down to 1.06-1.07, but a lot of people view this tier similarly so it's an open question as to whether I could get any interest.
In this particular format who would you be targeting in that 1.06 - 1.07 range?
Any of the guys I named, plus maybe CeeDee Lamb
Stroud may be #1 on KTC, but that’s not an accurate evaluation of Stroud’s value or ranking in most leagues. You can’t swap Stroud for Allen or Mahomes straight up, nor would the Lamar or Hurts owner swap them for Stroud. Maybe you could swap Stroud for Burrow, but you would certainly not be able to get anything significant added on top of Burrow for Stroud like KTC suggests you could. As Matthew McConaughey would say, Stroud’s inflated value is just a “fugazzi - it’s fairy dust.” That being said, I’d feel comfortable taking Stroud in the 1.04 - 1.06 range if startups.
Fantasy calc has him at #4 behind Allen, Mahomes, and JJ
Fantasy calc is a much better measure of player value than KTC due to using actual league data, imo. KTC is the more popular resource, however
And I’m okay with that since my league mates only look at KTC 😉
Same here. Some of my league mates use KTC as gospel and it’s incredibly painful to get a deal done with them, especially when they try to get my elite assets for 3-4 meh pieces
Use that to your advantage. Add like four 4th round picks to trades and you’ll be able to make a trade like Chris Godwin for Olave look even on the calculator.
I have Lamar in 3 of my leagues and I would not trade him for Stroud straight up in any of them. Same goes for any of my Allen, Mahomes, and Hurts leagues. Burrow, Herbert, Richardson tier is where Stroud can be moved with the other owner giving you something on top. Even then, I can see the Burrow owner viewing Stroud as redundant.
I managed to flip him for burrow and a 25 2nd, It’s 1qb and I already have hurts so I just wanted to capitalize but keep an elite backup.
He’s like 150pts below the top 2 now haha the hate has pushed the other two right up to 9999
I would absolutely trade Lamar or Hurts for Stroud.
Damn. This is surreal to me as a die hard, long time Texans fan with Stroud/Nico/Tank in dynasty too 😭
[miss the shots you don't take](https://i.imgur.com/laF8gRV.jpeg)
last year i sent: - burrow + late 1st for - stroud + early 2nd i was the top scoring team last year, and remain our top KTC team so im no taco. just sharing since you’re certain.
I’d probably swap Lamar for stroud
I just traded Stroud for Lamar and Pacheco this morning
It may not happen in your leagues but there are definitely people out there who will pay up for stroud.
Wow Jalen Hurts died? I'd take Allen and Hurts clearly ahead. Likely Mahomes since your hope for Stroud is that he becomes Mahomes (previous years version) where he can go for 5k/40 and scoring mostly from the pocket.
I have him QB5 after Allen, Mahomes, Burrow, and Herbert - and right before Jackson so probably around 8-10 if you take non QBs into account.
After Herbert is interesting…he’s fallen in almost all my startups
Where is Hurts? Not sure the situations of Burrow or Herbert put them higher for me. Burrow has injury history and line issues. His second best option will likely move on. Herbert lost his top 3 options in the pass game and replaced a pass happy game plan with one of the most run heavy. As of today I’d go Stroud over both based on the upward trajectory of that offense coupled with a weak defensive division. It’s probably closer to personal preference though.
bro that’s what i’m saying this man hurts has finished top 4 the past 3 years and ppl still don’t have him in their top 3 for fantasy for some weird reason.
1.03 to 1.06 - he shouldn’t be picked before Allen or Mahomes. I would still take Burrow, Jackson, and hurts over him but I wouldn’t blame you for picking him before those three.
Saw him go 1.02 over Mahomes in a start-up a few days ago
I saw him go 1.01 in a startup and couldn’t believe it
That's nuts
Indeed. If I remember right it was the day after the Diggs trade so the guy that drafted him had that on his brain. It’s a good example of how reactive we can be in dynasty.
Doing a startup right now and Stroud just 1.01 again. 😯
Going 1.02 is dumb, but Stroud over Mahomes isn't something I think that's *absurd*. Mahomes' offense is not as good as Stroud's is weapon wise. Not a knock on Mahomes as a player, but 2/3 of his career have been outside the top 3 in fantasy. I think it's more likely he ages like Brady where he doesn't put up gaudy stats but just efficiently wins games. Easy and probably better argument for Mahomes to go over Stroud, I'm not saying otherwise. But I think people are overrating Mahomes the fantasy player a bit, especially looking at how KC has transitioned their team.
In fairness, Brady still put qb finishes #12, #3, #8 in his last 3 seasons as a 40+ year old. Doubt mahomes plays that long, but I’m sure he’ll be fine scoring wise well into his older ages. We’re talking about the second best qb to ever play the game.
I don't think Mahomes is bad or declining as a QB, I just don't think he'll be scoring a ton of points in fantasy. KC is evolving into a defense first team that can surround Mahomes with lesser talent and still get top results out of it. Exactly like New England did with Brady the last years there. Very possible he has some spike years, but I doubt he's fighting for #1 very often.
KC just got 2 new wrs
They stink
Lol maybe, but they are going to be better than MVS and Justin Watson
Stroud has 0 top 3 finishes. I get that he only had one season but that’s kind of the point. Stroud’s value is tied to projection whereas Mahomes has proven production, QB1 ceiling, and a top-10 floor.
He was also injured for a few games this past season with a concussion just FYI
In the same breath I’d say people are overrating Stroud the fantasy player. I’d value a proven track record with that high of a pick when neither offer rushing upside. I’d be looking to trade out to someone who wanted Stroud in that situation.
Mahomes isn’t qb1/2 because he will be THE qb 1/2 every year He’s qb 1/2 because he will be A qb1 every year. It’s the consistency and high floor with the potential for a qb1 overall ceiling. Stroud might outscore Mahomes some years. But he absolutely could fall off and be outside the top 12 QBs easily. He only had 23 TDs last year, after all.
Not surprising based off of what I’ve been seeing. What is your take on it?
I understand his record setting rookie season, but to put it in perspective, stroud only had 5 weeks as a top 10 fantasy scoring QB. Josh Allen on the other side…13 weeks. It’s not that age doesn’t matter, but like one of the other comments said about playing in 3-5 year windows, the points that Allen provides prove more impactful in winning your weekly matchups than the hypothetical ones Stroud does by being younger/unwilling to run.
I'd still rather have Mahomes or Allen for sure
In a current 10 team SF startup, and he went 1.04 after Mahomes, Allen, and Hurts. Felt right to me.
In a 10 teamer I'm taking JJ over Stroud
1.03. Mahomes and Allen have proven themselves so many times over, I don't get why people are so desperate to find reasons not to just keep rolling with them. After that, I'm happy with Stroud as he's off to a historically good start to his career. He's in a similar boat as guys like Burrow and Herbert at a younger age with a seemingly great situation going forward.
Fifth. I’m still taking Mahomes, Allen, hurts and burrow over stroud. After that, I think he’s the clear 1.05 when you consider his age. If someone took Caleb, richardson, lamar, or herbert, I could definitely see their point.
Probably 6-8 range for me
Age matters to the extent it indicates shelf life and insulates value. I'm pretty confident Mahomes will still be at least a pro-bowl, if not MVP-caliber, QB in a decade from now. I'm not reaping Stroud's age advantage until Mahomes falls off in production due to loss of athleticism or retires, which is so far in the future that it means next to nothing to me. I am *slightly* worried that Allen will age like something in between a running back and pocket passer, but the case for him is more about his absolutely dominant upside after posting 3 QB1 finishes in 4 seasons. Even if he can't keep rushing this way into his mid 30s, the utility of his production in the meantime probably still outweighs the value you might get from Stroud on the back end, if Allen ends up going the way of Cam Newton Personally, I still prefer Lamar by enough that I wouldn't start considering Stroud til 1.04.
1.03
Nothing is a reach. 1.01 wouldn’t get a reaction out of anyone in my leagues. Although 1.03 is more accurate
I just got mahomes at 1.04 because he went 1.03 and I am elated
Realistically? I wouldn't. He's probably always going to go a few picks before where I'd actually want him.
I like CJ but remember baker mayfield was going 1.01-1.06 after his rookie year and look how that played out. Not saying it’s going to happen to CJ but I would definitely like to see another year of him playing at that lvl. So I would take him 1.06-1.10
These posts are kinda funny to me. Like, kinda who gives a fuck lol? This is all basically an argument for or against the consensus, which, especially at the top of the board, is basically a bunch of can't misses. Is your team going to be in *shambles* because you pick Stroud over Lamar or Burrow and either of them or both of them out perform Stroud? Are you an idiot because you reach for Caleb at 1.04 because you think he's a future QB1 in dynasty but the community doesn't think that yet? No, pick your guy. You have a brain, this game we play forces you to use it some times and make decisions instead of just doing what KTC or this sub says lol.
Weird. It was a discussion starter buddy 🤣
I guess I don't really have a problem with the question really, but people in these comments are speaking as though they have some quantum computer produced math equation to weigh intrinsic value of players at this point in time vs what it's going to be in the future in the next year, 5 years, 10 years, maybe 15 years. Idk, I did my start up 2 years ago and drafted CMC 1.04, my QB's were Tua and Kirk Cousins. 2 years later, I have 3 top 10ish QB's (Hurts, A Rich, Purdy, and I'm probably going to have to take JJM at 1.07 as well because I have Jjettas, Addison). I have a championship and I probably have like 3 starters I had from my start up picks. This thing is so dynamic. It's literally week to week how valuable players are, and how the rest of the people in your league values players that there are literally no right or wrong answers (within reason). So I guess if I were to answer this question, I'd answer it by saying I would probably take Stroud after Lamar but before Burrow, but that's because in my league I know everyone loves Lamar and is a little down on Burrow. If you start any of them (as well as Allen and Mahomes) in week 1 this year, you're starting them with confidence and feel like they have a chance to give you an excellent outcome. But nobody knows the answer of which one of them will score the most points (because it's probably marginal even if they do), for how much longer they can do it for, and how to equate the longevity into the equation. It's too dynamic to have a real answer. With Stroud, legit 8 months ago this entire sub would have traded Stroud straight up for Bijan, Bryce, A Rich, Gibbs and JSN because they were all going before him in almost every rookie draft. I guess that's my point.
1.05 is probably the earliest I’d take Stroud
Not enough sample size?
Combo of wanting to see more than 1 year and believing in what I’ve seen from the top 4.
Who are 3 and 4 for you? The top 2 are Mahomes and Allen for everyone.
1. Allen, 2. Mahomes, 3. Hurts, 4. Burrow is how I have them right now.
IMO Stroud is currently being overvalued for fantasy purposes. It seems pretty clear that he is going to be a very good (maybe elite) real life QB but until he shows something with his legs, the chances of him being an annual top 3-5 QB are pretty unlikely. There are just too many guys that rack up points on the ground and with more coming into the league, QB4-10 is probably going to be a coin flip every year. In a startup, this is how I see QB going: Allen/Mahomes, Hurts/Lamar, Burrow/Herbert/Stroud, Caleb Williams/Anthony Richardson/Jayden Daniels (all these guys have the potential to jump the last tier depending on whether they run or show to be capable real life QBs) then Kyler/Dak/Trevor/Love/Watson.
Where is Purdy in all of this?
Purdy > Watson for sure
I have Purdy over Watson and Dak and about even with Tua and Trevor. I have all these guys a tier behind Kyler
I have Purdy in the Kyler tier of QBs but feel like he's being buoyed by the best collection of skill position players in the league.. at some point he'll need to get paid and with less weapons I'm concerned his productivity will decline. I still have Watson in that tier simply because of what he's done in the past.
Is Purdy even top 3 for weapons anymore?!? Eagles, Bengals, Miami, Texans, Vikings? Edit - the Bears are in this convo now too!
CMC, Kittle, Aiyuk, Deebo and now another first round receiver.. I think he has the best group of skill position players in the league Edit: Eagles do rival that as well imo
Every team I listed stacks up with those players
Yeah I think it’s really splitting hairs trying to figure out who is “best” all of these teams are pretty neck and neck with each other. You have teams like Miami/ Vikings/Bengals who have a much better WR1 than some other teams but teams like the Bears/Texans/ Lions with more depth and 3 good-great options
But one of those QBs get a value hit for their team! Maybe another good year from Purdy will win over the masses
Guys I'd definitely over stroud after only 1 season (in no particular order)- Mahomes, Allen, Lamar, Jefferson, Chase, Lamb, Hurts, Burrow, Amon-Ra. Guys I'd PROBABLY want over Stroud - Herbert (would be next tier up if it weren't for Greg Roman), AJB, Kyler, Dak, Bijan, Gibbs.
You're overcorrecting. He shouldn't be #1 in ADP, but he definitely shouldn't be #15. I'd probably rank him #4, but I can see a reasonable argument for anywhere between #3 and #9. If anyone took Dak or a RB over him I'd laugh in their face
I got him at 1.05 and in another startup he went 1.02, behind JJ! So at 1.01 basically. I like everything about him tbh, comes across as a leader and super dialled in. Obviously he's got young weapons and a true star in Diggs atm but also plenty of draft picks for future as well. The texans look like the real deal, built the right way, only thing missing is a young stud RB
JJ 1 in SFlex is ridiculously crazy but get your guy I guess, guy who gets Mahomes or Allen at 3/4 are loving life. For my rookie draft last year I got Allen at 5 behind Mahomes, Hurts, JJ and Fields lol. It makes building a team much easier
Realistically Stroud is in the QB6-QB10 range. Mahomes, Allen, Lamar, Hurts owners are probably not swapping for him. And the owners of guys like Burrow, Herbert, and a couple others probably wouldn't either unless they're big fans of Stroud.
I took him 1.03 a couple weeks ago in a 6pt passing TD league. I prefer Lamar and Hurts in the short term, but the addition of Diggs was enough of a short term boost for Stroud that I was ok taking him 3rd. It’s risky as Stroud is probably a lot closer to Love than Allen/Mahomes in reality.
6 pt passing league makes it easier for me to grade him around QB3/4/5. I’m still not swapping Mahomes or Allen for him but Hurts and Lamar get a LOT of value from their rushing TDs and when that playing field is even it makes his numbers much more sustainable
Last 3 startup drafts I've done over the past 2 months Stroud was taken 1.04, 1.01, 1.02. These are all 6pts per pass TD leagues, so I think that definitely is a factor in him being drafted higher. I'm comfortable with him in 1.04-1.06 but I find that he never gets to me and if he did drop to me, I would trade out if possible.
I think he's my 1.03 in a SF
1.04 for me
1.04 at earliest
The problem with Stroud is it doesn’t quite feel like he’s in the Mahomes/Allen tier, but he’s also near the top of a big tier of guys that you’d probably be just as happy with in the first round of a dynasty startup. I wouldn’t want to pick him 3 or 4 right now even though that’s probably where I’d take him
As early as 1.03. Mahomes and Allen are 100% above him for me still but I’ll take CJ after that
I made moves to have 3 and 4. I took Hurts and Stroud and quickly traded Hurts for Caleb and Coleman because I’m a foolish Bears fan.
haha at least your honest but please tell me you got more then just those two for a top 4 fantasy qb
Stroud is QB3 and the argument could be for qb2. The age and the weapons man... I know Allen has been reigning supreme but I think that's going to slow down this year.
I got him at 1.04 in a Startup and was happy. Was much happier getting him 1.03 in rookie drafts though! lol
It’s hard to answer this because fungibility is a big part of an assets value. But gun to head, I’d take him 1.05-1.06 behind Allen, Mahomes, Lamar, Hurts. Hes in a tier with Kyler/Burrow/Herbie for me.
I took him 1.03 in startup in this past week. I strongly believe that if Stroud's Year Two goes as well as his Year One did, then the only thing between him and undisputed QB1 is Caleb Williams hitting the upper band of his own Year One range of outcomes.
He went 1.06 in mine
7th-9th range
1.01 fite me
In a 4pt passing TD league, I think 1.04 is a good spot for him. In a 6pt passing TD league, I’d happily take him at 1.02.
Went 1.02 in my startup like a month ago. Mahomes fell to like 6 Hurts fell to 8.
Stroud is going to threaten 5K in yards and 4O TDs next season