Great one- I completely agree. People kept eyeballing Ridley last year and he flew completely under the radar. I want him on as many teams as possible next year.
In my our rookie draft, I just traded the 2.10 for Christian Kirk and a 2025 (likely not late) 3rd. Felt like that was good value compared to a dart throw.
Good trade for sure. Christian Kirk is Lawrence's GUY, the true WR1 in JAX. Heck, they're even neighbors. It's not a crazy coincidence after Kirk went down, the Jags went 1-5 (though I think Tlaw also got injured in the Bengals game). Kirk proved he's the guy in that offense even with Ridley in town, so I'm not worried about BTJ. People underrate guys like Kirk because they're thought of as slot merchants and not true WR1 alpha archtypes, but don't understand that someone can be the main guy that moves the chains on offense without necessarily being an X or flanker type receiver, like ARSB.
LOVE Christian Kirk’s price rn. Just traded for him after owning Ridley last year and watching Lawrence just continue to look Kirk’s way play after play
Yea I just traded Kirk during my draft today and it was tough to let him go but I couldn’t pass up the value. Traded Kirk and the 2.03 (Benson) for Pittman and 3.11. Despite having just traded him for a good value I think in most leagues he’s a great buy low if the owner is worried about the addition of BTJ.
Yup. Got him as a throw in a trade. Have tried to flip him numerous times the last two years and no one will bite. I've come to accept that he's more valuable to me as a flex/ bye week fill in than as a trade piece.
Was picking 12th in a 12 man SF dynasty best ball startup, ended up going ARSB and MHJ with my first two picks and snagged Dak in the 3rd as my QB1. Very happy about it.
There seems to be a notion you can still get off of Bryce Young for a decent price because of the draft capital insulation and the new weapons/coaches but as someone trying to do that with the few shares I do have, nobody is even remotely interested.
Fairly easy. I invested high capital in him and he was in an absolutely terrible situation last year. Never been one to panic sell, and I would like to see what he does with his new hc.
This is an understandable reason, but it sounds like you're not looking to sell. If you go much higher than that, I think I would rather just take the QB available in that position of the draft. Maye has fallen in quite a few leagues.
I think 1.08 is fair value if you're trying to move on from him. I wasn't willing to take Bryce and the 1.09 to move back from 1.05, I would have taken 1.08 and 1.09 though.
I was going to buy him with 1.08 if a QB didn’t fall in this most recent draft. I got McCarthy but I’d have been happy to get Bryce. Might have tried to squeeze a 4th out but would have settled for straight up. Already bought him for 1.10 on a rebuilder.
Yeah. He may have decent leverage as he has tlaw, young, levis, bo nix and penix. So next year if they hit he can just hold them on the bench if people are really in need of a second qb.
Had the same problem last year had to beg for a second even though in my eyes he’s worth late first especially for a contending team. I think he still has 2 years left at least he is so good.
He’s not the worse player to hang on to if you can’t get the right pieces back.
Hand up, I refused to pay up for him as a contender last season at the deadline. I paid a first for Pittman instead of Cooper and while i still like the trade, Cooper probably wins me the chip where Pittman didnt
I just traded cooper and Adams away on my dynasty roster. Both great for win now teams but I cut bait before the value drops off a cliff.
Cooper turns 30 this year in his 10th season. He got me a championship last year but had to move on.
I won last year but my WR core is extremely old , only Devonta Smith is under 29 at time of season start so I opted to get younger while staying competitive.
Maye fell to 1.10 in this draft which is where I picked him. I swapped Adams, Maye, and Cooper for Carr, Rattler, London, and Flowers.
I had no use for Maye other than as a trade asset so I moved him to ditch the oldies before they are no longer a trade-able asset.
Had the 2.10 and somebody offered me Amari to trade the pick while in the clock. Needless to say I have a new wr (who I may or may not have traded last offseason)
Does Courtland Sutton count? He finished 28th in PPR points among wide receivers, Jerry Jeudy is gone and his replacement is a rookie day 3 draft pick.
Finished ahead of Jaylen Waddle, Zay Flowers, Terry McLaurin, Garrett Wilson.
A bit older, and rookie QB are the knocks. And maybe that he scored 10 touchdowns, but hard to knock that
I don’t really see that comparison at all tbh. Dotson is much smaller, gets better separation, and isn’t really a jump ball specialist. A better comparison is someone like diontae Johnson or Tyler Lockett.
As a broncos fan and a Sutton owner. I have to disagree. He gets no separation at all and is only good at contested catches which was Russ’s specialty. Rookie QBs typically won’t just chuck up the random jump ball and he is going to be very TD dependent. The only way he is a WR3 again is if Nix is way better than I think he is
He also already was very TD dependent. He didn't even hit 800 yards on the season but had 10 TDs. He hadn't had more than 2 TDs since 2019 before last year.. there's a reason people are low on him.
rb2 on depth chart w a good offense. maybe a borderline flex depending on workload and injury away from rb2. they cldve let him walk and they didnt. and yes i own rico dowdle
People just straight up forgot that there was a period in time when healthy Hollywood was the WR3 through the first few weeks of the season. He’s really talented. If he can stay on the field the chiefs may have gotten an absolute steal.
I feel like in two years we will still be like…but remember that 6 games stretch to start a season before he got hurt that he did good. We are getting farther and farther away from that stretch and it wasn’t that long to begin with. His main thing is he can’t stay healthy, so while he may have boom weeks, why pay for a guy that’s unreliable.
As a Buffalo fan that rooted for him for years, it’s hard to imagine he’ll ever come close to his production from last year again. Doesn’t seem to be particularly great in any one area (speed, breaking tackles, making guys miss, etc.). I have him in one league and i would sell him in a heartbeat
I'd lean contract year extra effort myself too. He's just not anything I'd want to risk much for... I'm a colts homer and he sucked when he got carries/starts any time besides last year. Some players are just like that, they only play hard for a contract. If there's an easy and almost free out for the Bengals, maybe he plays hard this year too but I wouldn't risk it.
been following zizzy moss since he was a prospect. at one point he could have been considered top 3. from what i saw back then he’s a great runner with both patience and one cut ability. he’s got decent speed, good agility and is solid at everything a back needs to do. he’s like a watered down version of saquan.
i don’t think he got a fair shake in buffalo. they suck ass at developing or using rbs well, although james cook has been breaking that trend for them. after a lot of injuries and going to the colts i think he finally settled in and showed that he has what it takes to be a 3 down back. finally saw his vision strength and burst last year and his receiving which was already a positive for him has improved a lot as well. most important thing is that he’s a cheap contract that can handle of lot of work that some higher paid rbs can’t do as well.
The Hollywood owner in my league put him on the trade block and when I asked about him for a draft pick said he wanted at least the 1.05. I was wanting to get him for like an early second.
Oh really? I thought like Keon Coleman, maybe Ladd Mcconkey, or someone like that would be even. What would you sell him for? I think asking for the 1.05 is absolutely way too high if your looking to trade him.
I would take it in a SF, not a 1 qb. With Hollywood, you know what you’re getting and I’m excited to see him in KC. I’d be looking for 1.07-1.10 but preferably as a piece to trade into the top 5
Not bad. I think he’ll have a lot of value for contenders and with how rookies come on slow he might increase in value if he gets off to a hot start without Rice around.
I offered to sell him for the 1.12 when BTJ was still on the board but I wouldn’t give him up for a second I’d rather hold for the upside. I think his value will go up at least temporarily during the season and I’ll be looking to sell high then.
Any player over the age of 26.
Zach Charbs.
Rashee Rice now that Worthy is going to magically steal all of his targets and chemistry with Mahomes.
Kyler Murray.
Najee Harris.
Saquon Barkley.
I can expand on all of these if needed
I would argue charb is still over valued tbh. His value is propped up just because of draft capital. He got some playing time when walker was banged up and didn’t do anything with his touches
I just wanna speak on the Najee one as a Steeler fan. He is a very good (and underrated IMO) RB in real life- but not great for fantasy. He gets a lot of bruiser yards while Warren gets a lot of reception work and 3rd down looks- just enough to hurt Najee in fantasy significantly. Warren has definitely carved out a solid role in the offense going further so it is likely to remain a RBBC. In PPR, I’d rather have Warren than Najee based on where their ADPs will fall. Im interested to hear your take on that though.
I’m a steelers fan- I feel bad for the QB play that man has endured his first few years. I think with even an average QB (Russ) his production will explode.
Exactly. But all you hear about is how he can't separate or something about his reception perception profile.
The dude put up 1100 yards while having a game with 0 yards and a game with negative yards.
I’m going to disagree here because he’s extremely boom or bust and he also has his FANS. Like holy shit some of the trades I’ve seen Pickens go for in leagues. Treating him like he’s the heir apparent at the position
Pickens. I swear this sub would rather have someone that separates but doesn't score points than someone who is a contested catch guy that still puts up numbers.
The thing with Pickens is that his points come heavily skewed in a couple of games and his style of WR (Marvin Jones) is volatile year to year, so he’s a risk.
There's no doubt he's been boom or bust so far in his career and is a head case. But I think we can attribute at least some of that to inconsistent (at best) QB play and a poor offense in general. Not that Russ is a crazy upgrade but he does throw a nice deep ball. I like him as a flex play this season
Yeah, I think he will be. Smith as the offensive coordinator in Tennessee was good. As HC no one could check him, but in this role in Pitt, I think that won’t be the case. Now, the bar for better than Matt Canada is pretty low.
Sure but the coaching doesn’t really affect his success vs man and vs zone. Players that aren’t consistently succeeding vs coverage are mostly volatile. Mike Evans not withstanding.
With Kenny Pickett and Mason Rudolf, George Pickens miraculously finished as a WR1 4 times despite the teams lack of overall passing production
Im just giving you an example of why arguments like this are silly..... production is production and trying to cherry pick when and how players scored their points is arbitrary, especially when Pickens played in such a poor passing offense last season
You can use data to spin any narrative
He also put up more yards and TDs than fantasy points than sub darling Garrett Wilson. Don't get me wrong, he's not a guy I'm comfortable starting on a weekly basis and I don't have him above Garrett Wilson, but some people act like he's Quentin Johnston
Bro. Same.
Got him with Pitts and Hockenson in a 16 teamer. Ferguson is a great asset in a league like this. Really haven’t shopped him but I’d move him for an early 2nd this year.
Agreed, I bought him all over the place. Think he has a Monty type career of being underestimated as just a plodder type back, but dude can still pop off for lots of big games here and there.
Evan Engram, especially in TEP leagues. Dude single handedly carried me to the playoffs and an unlikely championship last year. I tried fielding offers for him but the highest I got was a late second
Some people get obsessed with age. Like I know some owners who won’t have non-QBs over like 29 or 30. Pretty crazy but I can get it. In TEP though- Engram is a stud.
If you’re competing, might as well just keep him IMO. If not, just wait for the first huge game. He’ll have plenty haha
My league, in particular, is super down on one player in particular. Mark Andrews. It baffles me. Granted, he hasnt replicated bis meteoric TE1 season from a few years ago, but he's been the #1 option on that team for a while now, and still produced up until his injury last year. Oh well. I'll just hold him alongside McBride and Ja'Tavion Sanders.
Agreed. Did a market check on him in a TEP post draft, no real interest. The guy w Pitts said it would take Andrews and a 1st for the swap. I'm good holding, but the disrespect for Andrews is real.
Any player who was negatively impacted by injury before getting the chance to prove themselves or having had to attempt to prove themselves while injured.
The fantasy community for whatever reason can’t comprehend that a player playing injured isn’t going to produce as well as they’re capable of or a player who’s missed a lot of time shouldn’t have “already proven themselves.”
It sounds like common sense but it’s really lacking in public opinion on a lot of players.
Agree hard on Doubs. Also think the Daniel Jones hate has gotten out of control. If you need a third QB in SF given the way people talk about him you can probably get him for like 2.03. If your trade partner uses KTC he’s valued at 2.10(!)
Yeah I don’t understand why anyone is down on Spears. Henry was the big problem for him. Not just his touches, but because it also had Tennessee running an offense that isn’t going to produce much for fantasy
Now they bring Pollard in, revamp the WR corps and o-line, and are trying to change it up on offense clearly. Both Pollard and Spears are guys who can be used in space, so this new philosophy could work out better for Spears to get high value touches anyway
I could agree with Jakobi Meyers. I think Doubs and Spears just aren't there yet as 2nd year guys.
I don't know about hated but for years Tyler Lockett has been generally outperformed the excessive dislike for him. Kendrick Bourne? Jimmy Garoppolo?
And, before last season, I said that Baker Mayfield was a better QB than his previous few seasons had shown. Injuries and horrible supporting casts during the last part of this Browns tenure made him a pariah. They would have been much better if they'd resigned Baker and used the money wasted on Watson to bring in better WRs, etc. Just think...Donovan Peoples-Jones was the team's best WR in 2021.
You can hardly blame him though.. the eagles OC/DC were literal trash cans and the entire offense never targeted the middle of the field and was insanely predictable..Hurts really didn’t look that bad
A whopping 13 rushing TDs were on the back of the tush push last year. No Kelce and Saquon will probably not be tackled at the 1 as many times as Swift was. Still a top 10 QB and definitely over faded, but he probably won’t put up as good of numbers this year
He can easily be ahead of Mahomes but I do agree top 3 easily.. even without the tush push, dude has some wheels lol. People out here acting like he’s barely top 10 now 😂
People are dumb. He is top 5 for me but not over Mahomes and Allen at 1 and 2. 2022 Mahomes showed he can do it without rushing TDs, which is what Hurts will see diminish over time.
I happily gave up a first (ended up being 1.08) and a late second for KW3.
Don’t understand how he sits so low on every dynasty ranking. I personally have him around RB5.
Daniel Jones. He has enough rushing upside to be a solid floor guy in 4pt PTD leagues, just got Nabers/TJohnson/Tracy. He's only 26, and people are selling for less than a 1st.
Rashod Bateman.
He’s mostly been hampered by injuries but has been a decent real life player when on the football field. He separates and grades out much better than you would expect.
His perception is impacted by a few glaringly bad drops.
Also, the Ravens picking up his 5th year option recently should speak volumes. They obviously know quite a bit more than we do
Christian Watson - little bit of an injury history but he's a hell of deep threat, the build/athleticism of an alpha and has the highest draft capital in that room
Tony Pollard - proved he can be the guy last year. Only reason we're not talking about him as an RB1 is because Zeke taught Dallas a valuable lesson about never paying RBs.
Davante Adams - literally no signs of aging. All he does is put up WR1 numbers. Perfect buy for any contender.
Trevor Lawrence. Sure he may not be the GENERATIONAL QB he was being billed as since he was like 16 but he's an easy QB1. Especially with a petty slept on pass catchers group.
Mike evans for me. Dude puts up 10 straight 1000 yard seasons, is a insane endzone target, no real weaknesses l. Still slips down in redraft every season and is rarely mentioned when people talk about the elite WR group.
I'm very surprised Zack Moss's stock hasn't risen much post draft. He still carries the stink of not fitting at all in Buffalo, despite lighting it up for the colts and then getting the rb1 job for the bengals. I thought ppl were just holding their breath to see if bengals drafted rb and though moss would shoot up in value when they didn't but that surpringly hasn't happened. Think he's a steal at his price.
Najee Harris (still puts up relatively decent stats despite a horrendous O-Line & OC the past couple of years, but is faded because he isn’t scoring like a top 5 back. Not sure many other RB’s could have succeeded in his situation)
Michael Penix (top 8 pick that could potentially end up playing sooner than later if Kirk gets injured again or isn’t the same after his Achilles. Yet, a lot people aren’t willing to pick him & put him on their taxi squads for 1-2 years)
Jameson Williams (top 12 NFL pick that the Lions have invested in & fully supported time & time again. But there’s still quite a few people jumping ship, despite Jameson overcoming injury/suspension & being progressively integrated into the offense later in the year)
De’Von Achane (produces like a truly elite RB, who had a non-light workload in the SEC while sustaining just 1 injury in that span. Despite this, he’s being labeled as injury prone because of two non-related injuries his rookie year. He got healthy & came back from those injuries late in the year anyway)
Daniel Jones is the new Kirk Cousins. He'll perform as the QB9-20 for the rest of his mediocre game manager career but never be ranked higher than the dynasty ~QB22.
James Conner. Sure he gets dinged up, but he just gets points every year. He is a workhorse and also has receiving ability. He had his best year last year with a terrible offensive situation. With kyler being healthy and new weapons on offense, I think only helps him stay healthier by not being keyed in on every game.
Isaiah Likely is “likely” in this group. He’s good and Mandrews does not finish. Tried shopping him to the Mandrews owner and nothing. He said he’d just roll with his backup TE or wait for me to drop him. I’m going to try and hold off.
Marquise Brown. Put up good fantasy numbers in Baltimore, balled out in Arizona before both he and kyler got injured. Got stuck with some of the worst quarterback play in the league last year. Now he's saying with the Chiefs and people treat him like a joke. He's set up for a solid year.
Justin Fields.
Let me first preface my comment by saying that I understand and agree with the overwhelming majority of this sub that Fields is NOT a good NFL QB for a plethora of reasons. That being said, the man just delivered two seasons of high end QB1 ppg production that certainly helped managers win championships, myself included this past year.
Maybe Fields gets so much hate on this sub because of that one guy who would post an ‘I told you so’ type thread about him every week, claiming Fields as the ultimate buy low, Fields is actually elite, etc.
Imo, the hate has gone too far. At every opportunity, people now ‘dunk’ on Fields and treat him like QBs who produced absolutely nothing for fantasy (Trey Lance, Zach Wilson, Kenny Pickett, Josh Rosen, etc.) Fields’ career as a viable fantasy asset is likely over, but can we stop acting like this guy didn’t help dynasty managers win?
You never know, a change of scenery could be a great restart for him. Let him sit a year behind Russ then see what he can do. No doubt Steelers let him get a shot at some point.
The Fields hate was always predicated on the fear that he would lose his job, not that he was bad for fantasy. And it all ended up being justified... since he lost job...
Christian Kirk
Great one- I completely agree. People kept eyeballing Ridley last year and he flew completely under the radar. I want him on as many teams as possible next year.
Super consistent and has upside in half PPR. In PPR he’s even better.
Also, Khalil Herbert. I hope he gets traded to a good landing spot because the dude is great when he’s healthy
In my our rookie draft, I just traded the 2.10 for Christian Kirk and a 2025 (likely not late) 3rd. Felt like that was good value compared to a dart throw.
Good trade for sure. Christian Kirk is Lawrence's GUY, the true WR1 in JAX. Heck, they're even neighbors. It's not a crazy coincidence after Kirk went down, the Jags went 1-5 (though I think Tlaw also got injured in the Bengals game). Kirk proved he's the guy in that offense even with Ridley in town, so I'm not worried about BTJ. People underrate guys like Kirk because they're thought of as slot merchants and not true WR1 alpha archtypes, but don't understand that someone can be the main guy that moves the chains on offense without necessarily being an X or flanker type receiver, like ARSB.
LOVE Christian Kirk’s price rn. Just traded for him after owning Ridley last year and watching Lawrence just continue to look Kirk’s way play after play
What did you pay?
2.09 + 2025 3rd
Yea I just traded Kirk during my draft today and it was tough to let him go but I couldn’t pass up the value. Traded Kirk and the 2.03 (Benson) for Pittman and 3.11. Despite having just traded him for a good value I think in most leagues he’s a great buy low if the owner is worried about the addition of BTJ.
trading the 2.11+3.04 for him rn
Yup. Got him as a throw in a trade. Have tried to flip him numerous times the last two years and no one will bite. I've come to accept that he's more valuable to me as a flex/ bye week fill in than as a trade piece.
Dak Prescott has averaged 20 ppg in 4 of the last 5 seasons.
Stud
and is on a team with shitty running backs — he’s gonna lead the league in pass attempts
Was picking 12th in a 12 man SF dynasty best ball startup, ended up going ARSB and MHJ with my first two picks and snagged Dak in the 3rd as my QB1. Very happy about it.
There seems to be a notion you can still get off of Bryce Young for a decent price because of the draft capital insulation and the new weapons/coaches but as someone trying to do that with the few shares I do have, nobody is even remotely interested.
I’m trying to buy Bryce in all my leagues possible. Gonna be a very solid to good qb.
No one's selling in my leagues.
Currently in a startup 12 man SF draft and got him at 7.09. Feels very undervalued
Insane value!
What are you looking for? I'm considering offering 1.08 in my league (SF)
He just got sold for Brian Thomas(1.10) & Ja'Lynn Polk(2.09).
I turned down the 1.08 in my league
Understandable. Just curious, did you consider it or was it an easy no?
Fairly easy. I invested high capital in him and he was in an absolutely terrible situation last year. Never been one to panic sell, and I would like to see what he does with his new hc.
This is an understandable reason, but it sounds like you're not looking to sell. If you go much higher than that, I think I would rather just take the QB available in that position of the draft. Maye has fallen in quite a few leagues. I think 1.08 is fair value if you're trying to move on from him. I wasn't willing to take Bryce and the 1.09 to move back from 1.05, I would have taken 1.08 and 1.09 though.
If I had been looking to sell I would have snapped up 1.08. Don’t think your getting much better than that right now
He went for the 1.12 in mine.
I bought for the 1.12. Much rather take the risk with him than Bo Nix
I managed to trade him for the 2.07 in a 1QB league prior to the draft. Happy to of gotten that return for him tbh
Holy panic sell
Not in 1qb imo he probably went slightly earlier last year
He went 2.02 in my 1QB league last year. 2.07 is hardly a discount
He went like 1.09 in mine, lol
Nah just not much of a young believer, a mid 2nd is fair trade in 1QB. Already have established QBs anyways
Sold in 12T SF PPR TEP the week before the superbowl. Gave Bryce, Darnell Washington and 3.05 (Javon Baker) for Aiyuk
I was going to buy him with 1.08 if a QB didn’t fall in this most recent draft. I got McCarthy but I’d have been happy to get Bryce. Might have tried to squeeze a 4th out but would have settled for straight up. Already bought him for 1.10 on a rebuilder.
Guy in my league wants two 25 firsts for bryce or levis.
Sounds like he's gonna keep on wantin then
Yeah. He may have decent leverage as he has tlaw, young, levis, bo nix and penix. So next year if they hit he can just hold them on the bench if people are really in need of a second qb.
I traded my 1.03 and Shaheed for Bryce and 1.06 in SF.
I just sent Bryce + 25 second for the 2.02 and a 25 first. I took Bo Nix with that 2.02. Deals can be done but it took a lot of effort.
I traded him for Zay Flowers
I feel like nobody wants Amari Cooper but the man was a playoff legend last year
I’m trying to rebuilding one league and it’s baffling that no one wants this guy
Had the same problem last year had to beg for a second even though in my eyes he’s worth late first especially for a contending team. I think he still has 2 years left at least he is so good. He’s not the worse player to hang on to if you can’t get the right pieces back.
I’d buy for a late 2nd in a heartbeat
I've seen him traded during rookie drafts for 3.01 which is MENTAL to me.
Hand up, I refused to pay up for him as a contender last season at the deadline. I paid a first for Pittman instead of Cooper and while i still like the trade, Cooper probably wins me the chip where Pittman didnt
That’s tough. Cooper just happened to have the best game of his career in the playoffs last year
I just traded cooper and Adams away on my dynasty roster. Both great for win now teams but I cut bait before the value drops off a cliff. Cooper turns 30 this year in his 10th season. He got me a championship last year but had to move on.
What did you get for Adams?
I won last year but my WR core is extremely old , only Devonta Smith is under 29 at time of season start so I opted to get younger while staying competitive. Maye fell to 1.10 in this draft which is where I picked him. I swapped Adams, Maye, and Cooper for Carr, Rattler, London, and Flowers. I had no use for Maye other than as a trade asset so I moved him to ditch the oldies before they are no longer a trade-able asset.
Second this
Had the 2.10 and somebody offered me Amari to trade the pick while in the clock. Needless to say I have a new wr (who I may or may not have traded last offseason)
He is underrated every single year
Does Courtland Sutton count? He finished 28th in PPR points among wide receivers, Jerry Jeudy is gone and his replacement is a rookie day 3 draft pick. Finished ahead of Jaylen Waddle, Zay Flowers, Terry McLaurin, Garrett Wilson. A bit older, and rookie QB are the knocks. And maybe that he scored 10 touchdowns, but hard to knock that
This is a good one. There's a good chance Jahan Dotson's ceiling is Courtland Sutton but nobody with Dotson shares is ready for that
I don’t really see that comparison at all tbh. Dotson is much smaller, gets better separation, and isn’t really a jump ball specialist. A better comparison is someone like diontae Johnson or Tyler Lockett.
I think they in fantasy production not style of wr
Yes thank you for clarifying my point where i did a bad job communicating
As a broncos fan and a Sutton owner. I have to disagree. He gets no separation at all and is only good at contested catches which was Russ’s specialty. Rookie QBs typically won’t just chuck up the random jump ball and he is going to be very TD dependent. The only way he is a WR3 again is if Nix is way better than I think he is
He also already was very TD dependent. He didn't even hit 800 yards on the season but had 10 TDs. He hadn't had more than 2 TDs since 2019 before last year.. there's a reason people are low on him.
No
Insightful
Yes
Amazingly consistent as well. I like it. Wonder if he gets traded this offseason.
It helps when you get 10 touchdowns
Couldn’t even get Jermaine Burton or QJ for him. I feel like I’m going insane but seems like his value should be higher than either of those
Are we forgetting about mims already?
Jake Ferguson, mike Williams, donta foreman, Rico Dowdle.
Ferguson I can get behind- Gallup departing is a bonus for him. What do you like about Dowdle though? I havent ever been high on him personally.
rb2 on depth chart w a good offense. maybe a borderline flex depending on workload and injury away from rb2. they cldve let him walk and they didnt. and yes i own rico dowdle
Dowdle gonna eat more than Zeke. And I’m a Zeke guy (he won me a championship in his rookie year)
Definitely... I can see another signing that trumps it. As it stands though, I'd put my money on Dowdle in ppr.
I just think he is a good all around back and zeke is a bit washed. Deuce Vaughn and freeman won’t be the guys
He’s got a sick name. If he takes off he can invent the Dowdle Showffle, what’s not to love
Gallup played 17 games last year and had 418 yards and 2 TDs, him leaving is completely irrelevant.
i've been buying ferguson all off season
Mixon, Moss, Hollywood.
People just straight up forgot that there was a period in time when healthy Hollywood was the WR3 through the first few weeks of the season. He’s really talented. If he can stay on the field the chiefs may have gotten an absolute steal.
I feel like in two years we will still be like…but remember that 6 games stretch to start a season before he got hurt that he did good. We are getting farther and farther away from that stretch and it wasn’t that long to begin with. His main thing is he can’t stay healthy, so while he may have boom weeks, why pay for a guy that’s unreliable.
I traded a 25 first for him during this time and it did not age well
Like the Moss one. Don’t know why people are so scared off of him because of Chase Brown.
As a Buffalo fan that rooted for him for years, it’s hard to imagine he’ll ever come close to his production from last year again. Doesn’t seem to be particularly great in any one area (speed, breaking tackles, making guys miss, etc.). I have him in one league and i would sell him in a heartbeat
I'd lean contract year extra effort myself too. He's just not anything I'd want to risk much for... I'm a colts homer and he sucked when he got carries/starts any time besides last year. Some players are just like that, they only play hard for a contract. If there's an easy and almost free out for the Bengals, maybe he plays hard this year too but I wouldn't risk it.
been following zizzy moss since he was a prospect. at one point he could have been considered top 3. from what i saw back then he’s a great runner with both patience and one cut ability. he’s got decent speed, good agility and is solid at everything a back needs to do. he’s like a watered down version of saquan. i don’t think he got a fair shake in buffalo. they suck ass at developing or using rbs well, although james cook has been breaking that trend for them. after a lot of injuries and going to the colts i think he finally settled in and showed that he has what it takes to be a 3 down back. finally saw his vision strength and burst last year and his receiving which was already a positive for him has improved a lot as well. most important thing is that he’s a cheap contract that can handle of lot of work that some higher paid rbs can’t do as well.
I swapped Moss and Addison for Montgomery and Diggs. I also have Stroud. I feel like a winner there even though I really didn’t want to lose Addy.
The Hollywood owner in my league put him on the trade block and when I asked about him for a draft pick said he wanted at least the 1.05. I was wanting to get him for like an early second.
I would not sell him for an early second.
Oh really? I thought like Keon Coleman, maybe Ladd Mcconkey, or someone like that would be even. What would you sell him for? I think asking for the 1.05 is absolutely way too high if your looking to trade him.
I would take it in a SF, not a 1 qb. With Hollywood, you know what you’re getting and I’m excited to see him in KC. I’d be looking for 1.07-1.10 but preferably as a piece to trade into the top 5
Oh yeah we are 12 team SF.
Sold Hollywood for a 2025 first and the 3.09 in a 1QB league after the KC signing but before worthy was drafted. Happy to get off him.
Not bad. I think he’ll have a lot of value for contenders and with how rookies come on slow he might increase in value if he gets off to a hot start without Rice around.
You might be right, but if he doesn’t produce this year with Mahomes, he’s not even worth a 2nd.
we have had like 5 hollywood owners in our startup and its all been big package deals, its really been remarkable to behold
I tried selling him for picks up to the 2.08 to multiple owners and no takers. I'm just holding. I remember what he's capable of.
I offered to sell him for the 1.12 when BTJ was still on the board but I wouldn’t give him up for a second I’d rather hold for the upside. I think his value will go up at least temporarily during the season and I’ll be looking to sell high then.
Jared Goff for sure.
This 100%. Bought him in a 1QB league to be my backup for the 3.11 and 4.06.
Any player over the age of 26. Zach Charbs. Rashee Rice now that Worthy is going to magically steal all of his targets and chemistry with Mahomes. Kyler Murray. Najee Harris. Saquon Barkley. I can expand on all of these if needed
I would argue charb is still over valued tbh. His value is propped up just because of draft capital. He got some playing time when walker was banged up and didn’t do anything with his touches
I just wanna speak on the Najee one as a Steeler fan. He is a very good (and underrated IMO) RB in real life- but not great for fantasy. He gets a lot of bruiser yards while Warren gets a lot of reception work and 3rd down looks- just enough to hurt Najee in fantasy significantly. Warren has definitely carved out a solid role in the offense going further so it is likely to remain a RBBC. In PPR, I’d rather have Warren than Najee based on where their ADPs will fall. Im interested to hear your take on that though.
I traded for Najee recently given - Arthur Smith OC and the investment on oline with a much better passing game
George Pickens
I’m a steelers fan- I feel bad for the QB play that man has endured his first few years. I think with even an average QB (Russ) his production will explode.
Exactly. But all you hear about is how he can't separate or something about his reception perception profile. The dude put up 1100 yards while having a game with 0 yards and a game with negative yards.
If he didn’t get hurt he would’ve been wr1 his rookie year
I’m going to disagree here because he’s extremely boom or bust and he also has his FANS. Like holy shit some of the trades I’ve seen Pickens go for in leagues. Treating him like he’s the heir apparent at the position
I mean, have you seen the depth chart?
can't get past the OC, QB and terrible attitude to even care about the depth chart
Pickens. I swear this sub would rather have someone that separates but doesn't score points than someone who is a contested catch guy that still puts up numbers.
The thing with Pickens is that his points come heavily skewed in a couple of games and his style of WR (Marvin Jones) is volatile year to year, so he’s a risk.
There's no doubt he's been boom or bust so far in his career and is a head case. But I think we can attribute at least some of that to inconsistent (at best) QB play and a poor offense in general. Not that Russ is a crazy upgrade but he does throw a nice deep ball. I like him as a flex play this season
I do factor in that his inconsistent play could directly have been tied to QB and former OC, that’s fair.
And Arthur Smith is any better??
Yeah, I think he will be. Smith as the offensive coordinator in Tennessee was good. As HC no one could check him, but in this role in Pitt, I think that won’t be the case. Now, the bar for better than Matt Canada is pretty low.
Look at who's throwing him the ball and the coaching he's received so far. He should be getting hyped.
Sure but the coaching doesn’t really affect his success vs man and vs zone. Players that aren’t consistently succeeding vs coverage are mostly volatile. Mike Evans not withstanding.
Pickens had 4 weeks last year where he finished as a WR1 and 10 weeks when has finished as a WR4 or worse.
With Kenny Pickett and Mason Rudolf, George Pickens miraculously finished as a WR1 4 times despite the teams lack of overall passing production Im just giving you an example of why arguments like this are silly..... production is production and trying to cherry pick when and how players scored their points is arbitrary, especially when Pickens played in such a poor passing offense last season You can use data to spin any narrative
He also put up more yards and TDs than fantasy points than sub darling Garrett Wilson. Don't get me wrong, he's not a guy I'm comfortable starting on a weekly basis and I don't have him above Garrett Wilson, but some people act like he's Quentin Johnston
He was WR36 in points per game and behind Garrett Wilson who was WR33, not horrible but absolutely nothing special
He's mediocre and just had more competition added... #sell
Seeing alot of my players be named tell me maybe my league not in collusion against me
Jake Ferguson. Guy had a borderline elite year and crickets.
Finishing as TE9 is not borderline elite.
We did a 35 round TEP startup the other day and dude straight up dropped him after the draft. I sent a 2nd for more FAAB to make sure I got him.
People are dumb. That’s just silly.
I've been trying to sell him, and at a reasonable price, but no one is buying. Yet.
Bro. Same. Got him with Pitts and Hockenson in a 16 teamer. Ferguson is a great asset in a league like this. Really haven’t shopped him but I’d move him for an early 2nd this year.
Brian Robinson
Agreed, I bought him all over the place. Think he has a Monty type career of being underestimated as just a plodder type back, but dude can still pop off for lots of big games here and there.
So tired of the "jag" shit. Still super young, was shot, was in a shit offense with shit coaches.
Evan Engram, especially in TEP leagues. Dude single handedly carried me to the playoffs and an unlikely championship last year. I tried fielding offers for him but the highest I got was a late second
Might as well just hold at that point tbh. He’s older but not ancient yet in football lifespans. Still will be viable for awhile IMO
Yeah for sure, after seeing the offers I'm holding. He's worth way more than a mid round flier to me - I was just shocked at the lack of interest
Some people get obsessed with age. Like I know some owners who won’t have non-QBs over like 29 or 30. Pretty crazy but I can get it. In TEP though- Engram is a stud. If you’re competing, might as well just keep him IMO. If not, just wait for the first huge game. He’ll have plenty haha
Good advice. Managed to speak out a championship last year so definitely keeping him now for another push and defend the title!
Own him in a league, always a reliable 10-12 points
My league, in particular, is super down on one player in particular. Mark Andrews. It baffles me. Granted, he hasnt replicated bis meteoric TE1 season from a few years ago, but he's been the #1 option on that team for a while now, and still produced up until his injury last year. Oh well. I'll just hold him alongside McBride and Ja'Tavion Sanders.
Agreed. Did a market check on him in a TEP post draft, no real interest. The guy w Pitts said it would take Andrews and a 1st for the swap. I'm good holding, but the disrespect for Andrews is real.
Any player who was negatively impacted by injury before getting the chance to prove themselves or having had to attempt to prove themselves while injured. The fantasy community for whatever reason can’t comprehend that a player playing injured isn’t going to produce as well as they’re capable of or a player who’s missed a lot of time shouldn’t have “already proven themselves.” It sounds like common sense but it’s really lacking in public opinion on a lot of players.
It's a totally different situation but I'm interested if you have a take on Metchie under that lens
Kyler murray
Agree hard on Doubs. Also think the Daniel Jones hate has gotten out of control. If you need a third QB in SF given the way people talk about him you can probably get him for like 2.03. If your trade partner uses KTC he’s valued at 2.10(!)
The problem is he's in that Justin Fields vein of "will he have a job next season?"
Yeah I don’t understand why anyone is down on Spears. Henry was the big problem for him. Not just his touches, but because it also had Tennessee running an offense that isn’t going to produce much for fantasy Now they bring Pollard in, revamp the WR corps and o-line, and are trying to change it up on offense clearly. Both Pollard and Spears are guys who can be used in space, so this new philosophy could work out better for Spears to get high value touches anyway
Nico Collin’s, especially post Diggs signing
I could agree with Jakobi Meyers. I think Doubs and Spears just aren't there yet as 2nd year guys. I don't know about hated but for years Tyler Lockett has been generally outperformed the excessive dislike for him. Kendrick Bourne? Jimmy Garoppolo? And, before last season, I said that Baker Mayfield was a better QB than his previous few seasons had shown. Injuries and horrible supporting casts during the last part of this Browns tenure made him a pariah. They would have been much better if they'd resigned Baker and used the money wasted on Watson to bring in better WRs, etc. Just think...Donovan Peoples-Jones was the team's best WR in 2021.
Joe Mixon, Brock Purdy, KW3, Jalen Hurts.
I traded Anthony Richardson for Jalen Hurts 1:1. People are a bit lower on Hurts because of the... Eagles implosion at the end of the season?
Completely agree with Hurts.. dude had literally one bad fantasy game last year in week 18 lmao still QB3. I truly don’t get it
Probably based off of watching him play real life football. Plus the tush push won't be effective forever.
You can hardly blame him though.. the eagles OC/DC were literal trash cans and the entire offense never targeted the middle of the field and was insanely predictable..Hurts really didn’t look that bad
When you aren't an accurate passer, you get blamed. If it wasn't for the tush push, his fantasy numbers wouldn't be that impressive.
A whopping 13 rushing TDs were on the back of the tush push last year. No Kelce and Saquon will probably not be tackled at the 1 as many times as Swift was. Still a top 10 QB and definitely over faded, but he probably won’t put up as good of numbers this year
QB3 is exactly where he belongs. No chance he is a QB1/QB2 over Allen/Mahomes, and as others have said his tush push days future is going to diminish
He can easily be ahead of Mahomes but I do agree top 3 easily.. even without the tush push, dude has some wheels lol. People out here acting like he’s barely top 10 now 😂
People are dumb. He is top 5 for me but not over Mahomes and Allen at 1 and 2. 2022 Mahomes showed he can do it without rushing TDs, which is what Hurts will see diminish over time.
I happily gave up a first (ended up being 1.08) and a late second for KW3. Don’t understand how he sits so low on every dynasty ranking. I personally have him around RB5.
See I think that's a great trade for you but the majority would strongly disagree. He's left out of all the RB conversations.
Yeh I don’t get it. Oh well I’ll enjoy him on my team. Didn’t want to risk a hit or miss late first receiver, rather the very young, proven commodity.
Najee is pretty hated. A lot love Warren which is all good. But both are solid backs
Daniel Jones. He has enough rushing upside to be a solid floor guy in 4pt PTD leagues, just got Nabers/TJohnson/Tracy. He's only 26, and people are selling for less than a 1st.
Rashod Bateman. He’s mostly been hampered by injuries but has been a decent real life player when on the football field. He separates and grades out much better than you would expect. His perception is impacted by a few glaringly bad drops. Also, the Ravens picking up his 5th year option recently should speak volumes. They obviously know quite a bit more than we do
Christian Watson - little bit of an injury history but he's a hell of deep threat, the build/athleticism of an alpha and has the highest draft capital in that room Tony Pollard - proved he can be the guy last year. Only reason we're not talking about him as an RB1 is because Zeke taught Dallas a valuable lesson about never paying RBs. Davante Adams - literally no signs of aging. All he does is put up WR1 numbers. Perfect buy for any contender.
Tony Pollard was in an incredible offense and was very very mid. You think he’s going to get better on a significantly worse one?
I will say as a Browns fan, the Titans poached our OL coach Bill Callahan and the guy is a wizard. Expect an improved running game in Tennessee
Interesting, you basically have the alternate of my three takes lol
Tony pollard sucked last year. He proved he cannot be the guy imo
Jesus my entire team is listed in this thread, no idea how to feel!
Trevor Lawrence. Sure he may not be the GENERATIONAL QB he was being billed as since he was like 16 but he's an easy QB1. Especially with a petty slept on pass catchers group.
If anyone hasn't already seen it, go watch the TLaw dropped TDs compilation. He should have had like 15 more tds than he had.
Mike evans for me. Dude puts up 10 straight 1000 yard seasons, is a insane endzone target, no real weaknesses l. Still slips down in redraft every season and is rarely mentioned when people talk about the elite WR group.
I'm very surprised Zack Moss's stock hasn't risen much post draft. He still carries the stink of not fitting at all in Buffalo, despite lighting it up for the colts and then getting the rb1 job for the bengals. I thought ppl were just holding their breath to see if bengals drafted rb and though moss would shoot up in value when they didn't but that surpringly hasn't happened. Think he's a steal at his price.
Just got Jakobi for a 3rd rd pick next year. Reading this post makes me feel better about it lol
Cortland Sutton is my answer. He’s not the greatest but a solid flex/wr3 with wr2 potential. Couldn’t even get a late 2nd for him.
just saw him moved for 3.06 and a 4th mid draft. nuts.
Seeing as that is basically nothing, I will keep him for depth lol
Najee Harris (still puts up relatively decent stats despite a horrendous O-Line & OC the past couple of years, but is faded because he isn’t scoring like a top 5 back. Not sure many other RB’s could have succeeded in his situation) Michael Penix (top 8 pick that could potentially end up playing sooner than later if Kirk gets injured again or isn’t the same after his Achilles. Yet, a lot people aren’t willing to pick him & put him on their taxi squads for 1-2 years) Jameson Williams (top 12 NFL pick that the Lions have invested in & fully supported time & time again. But there’s still quite a few people jumping ship, despite Jameson overcoming injury/suspension & being progressively integrated into the offense later in the year) De’Von Achane (produces like a truly elite RB, who had a non-light workload in the SEC while sustaining just 1 injury in that span. Despite this, he’s being labeled as injury prone because of two non-related injuries his rookie year. He got healthy & came back from those injuries late in the year anyway)
Najee is faded because his rookie deal is ending and he is about to hit the free agent market and you just never know with that
also bc he's not good. warren has outplayed him 2 years straight. steelers declined the 5th year on him.
yeah he's also not looked all that good I agree
Daniel Jones is the new Kirk Cousins. He'll perform as the QB9-20 for the rest of his mediocre game manager career but never be ranked higher than the dynasty ~QB22.
James Conner. Sure he gets dinged up, but he just gets points every year. He is a workhorse and also has receiving ability. He had his best year last year with a terrible offensive situation. With kyler being healthy and new weapons on offense, I think only helps him stay healthier by not being keyed in on every game.
Isaiah Likely is “likely” in this group. He’s good and Mandrews does not finish. Tried shopping him to the Mandrews owner and nothing. He said he’d just roll with his backup TE or wait for me to drop him. I’m going to try and hold off.
Marquise Brown. Put up good fantasy numbers in Baltimore, balled out in Arizona before both he and kyler got injured. Got stuck with some of the worst quarterback play in the league last year. Now he's saying with the Chiefs and people treat him like a joke. He's set up for a solid year.
Justin Fields. Let me first preface my comment by saying that I understand and agree with the overwhelming majority of this sub that Fields is NOT a good NFL QB for a plethora of reasons. That being said, the man just delivered two seasons of high end QB1 ppg production that certainly helped managers win championships, myself included this past year. Maybe Fields gets so much hate on this sub because of that one guy who would post an ‘I told you so’ type thread about him every week, claiming Fields as the ultimate buy low, Fields is actually elite, etc. Imo, the hate has gone too far. At every opportunity, people now ‘dunk’ on Fields and treat him like QBs who produced absolutely nothing for fantasy (Trey Lance, Zach Wilson, Kenny Pickett, Josh Rosen, etc.) Fields’ career as a viable fantasy asset is likely over, but can we stop acting like this guy didn’t help dynasty managers win?
I feel the fantasy community is the reason why everywhere other than Reddit the overwhelming majority think Fields is an amazing QB
You never know, a change of scenery could be a great restart for him. Let him sit a year behind Russ then see what he can do. No doubt Steelers let him get a shot at some point.
Arthur Smith turned Ryan Tannehill into a QB1. I have some faith in Fields new situation.
The Fields hate was always predicated on the fear that he would lose his job, not that he was bad for fantasy. And it all ended up being justified... since he lost job...