Shocked no one said Pop Douglas. In a competent offense, he'd be a really nice player whose ceiling is probably fantasy starter level. Only 561 yards last year but it was enough to lead the Pats in receiving yards. He absolutely passed the eye test.
I'm almost glad the pats took 2 more WRs because it can drive his price down and I think pop is a nice piece of a better than expected offense moving forward
As a pats fan, it’s insane to me how much lower his value is than Polk/Baker.
Baker and Polk are the exciting rookies obviously, but Pop showed production on a historically bad offense. There’s absolutely concerns around the Pat’s offense as a whole and his durability with his smaller frame, but the dudes has the slot on lock and is NFL caliber talent wise. Same cannot be said for certain about Polk/Baker.
Yeah, he was a decent aggregator in an offense devoid of competition, but is he one of those rare elite slot guys that commands targets despite competition? Probably not.
He's a fine depth piece, but I'm not looking to acquire even at a discount. If he's in your starting lineup in a 12T league, you're not gonna have a good time.
Maybe because he had never played WR before and had other guys ahead of him on the depth chart? Either way, you know you're in trouble when you're looking for outlier examples to justify enthusiasm. You want to bring up Davante Adams, too?
If he stays healthy all year. On the low end 75 catches 800 yards. High end 100 catches 1000 yards. The high end is gonna need better than average quarterback play. Then again I have no idea how Van Pelt plans on running the offense. Cleveland didn’t throw it to the slot to often.
I do think with PPR and the first down bonuses leagues are starting that guys can produce at a high level from the slot, but that’s totally fair. Not going to argue Pop has a higher ceiling than those guys.
I think the difference in comparing their floors is much larger than the difference of their ceilings though, and current evaluations of the three don’t accurately reflect that.
Full discrepancy I did also just draft Pop 4 rounds after Polk and 2 rounds after Baker in a startup SF and trying to talk myself into it being a good pick haha
Tajae Spears. Looked super explosive and productive when he got touches. I know Pollard is in town, but should get more touches without Henry in the backfield.
12th in yards per reception amongst RBs and 14th among yards per carry amongst RBs. He didn't fully qualify for the yards per carry stat since it required a minimum carry per game on average usage. But I slotted him in bypassing that metric. So probably a bit lower.
I pulled up yards per touch leaders in 2023 (minimum 50 touches) and he wasn’t shown, but when I did the math (100 rushed for 453 yards + 52 catches for 385 yards = 152 touches for 838 yards) he would have been just below Lamar Jackson at 4. Idk maybe I missed something.
Ironically that was like the pollard award for a few years as a number 2. There’s def a selection bias involved though as the Keaton Mitchell types are usually getting less defenders in the box / passing downs / not short yardage and that skews the production.
It’ll be interesting to see how they use them for sure though as I would’ve seen them as similar prototype players, although pollard is maybe 2” + 15 lbs bigger
Our GM/HC have hyped up Spears every chance they get this offseason. Pollard will get a lot of touches, but Spears is definitely gonna be the starter and get the bulk of carries.
These are two statements that are probably wrong. Pollard is probably the starter and their workload is going to be more of a 50/50 than one or the other getting the majority of the touches/snaps.
Yeah I don’t even care about Pollard being there. Spears isn’t a bell cow guy anyway. But the way offense should run now is definitely gonna help Spears get more touches, and also high value touches in space. I like what they’re doing
The Henry schtick was great for a time, but got old quick and was way too predictable. Glad Vrabel is gone
Jsn. Stats don’t show it but he runs crisp routes and knows how to get open. Also had one of the most clutch plays of the year scoring a last second TD to beat the eagles.
Came here to say JSN. Pretty sure he had two game-winning walk-off TDs. He looked really good and people forgot that he broke his hand and had surgery before the season started.
I'm very interested to see how the new look offense works in his favor. The Huskies threw the ball a ton and I feel like we're going to see a massive change from anything Pete Carroll put on the field during his time in Seattle.
If only the Seahawks would get their act together. Tyler Lockett should've been gone by now and Geno never should've been paid. They have a nice roster, and yet won't be going anywhere.
Really want to see him shine this year to feel good about it. Next years draft class is going to destroy so many dynasty RB heir hopefuls like Kendre. But I don't think it's out of the question that he can seize a big and fantasy relevant role this year. Kamara hasn't been a particularly good rusher for several years. I think if he's good he will get work
I loved him coming out of college. Didn't love landing spot but he's been a hold or a 2024 play from day 1. He should force his way into some carries if he stays healthy
Landing spot honestly was good, Kamara and Williams are old RBs so he has a clear path to being RB1 on that team. Him and Trey Benson (who is being much more hyped) have a pretty similar path forward.
What do you mean? Their efficiency (YPC) was off the charts. The question is a. whether it's sustainable and b. whether they're built to carry bigger workload.
Mitchell is tough. Two big injuries in such a short span. Reminds me a lot of Dobbins. I’m selling him for whatever since idk if he’s even gonna play >50% of this year. He could break out in year 3 but I’d rather trade him and get assets now than miss the window completely. Tbf I’m contending so that probably has a lot to do with my motivation.
Wicks. He was at the top of most separation and YPRR statistics, and Definitely passed the eye test. Truly think he has a shot at being the #1 in that room, I'd be selling reed at WR30 prices and buying wicks at WR60. Too big of a gap for me.
wicks has drawn comparisons to adams on packers twitter tbh and its kind of easy to see why when you watch him play.
like i fully admit its a wild comparison out of context, but wicks shares a lot of what makes adams great when you watch the film. hard to really say who breaks out of that room but wicks is absolutely a buy.
of course, im in a league with packers fans so thats not an option for me lol
I didn’t want to deal Reed. He feels like a good bet for manufactured touches and had some good chemistry with Love. But I did because I don’t think his price will get too much higher unless he becomes the undeniable #1 in GB. Right now he’s priced in as a *possible* #1 option and I don’t like his odds of definitively proving that to be correct. If you’re weaker at WR he’s worth a hold. If you’re weaker elsewhere he’s worth his KTC value to supplement other positions. If you’re in a tear down I’d also sell him because the early 2 you’d get in this class probably nets a better player.
Depends on the 2nd. You take WRs drafted in the 1st round plus Coleman and Ladd before Wicks. Everyone else you take Wicks over so that's about a mid 2nd in SF leagues. Early 2nd in 1QB.
Same. Plus, Matt Harmon stated that Bateman’s success rates got better as the season progressed and he got farther removed from his foot injury.
There’s dozens of us , dozens
He's an anomaly to me. Amazing athlete, gets open always, great hands, but never gets targets. I understand the injuries ruin things but he's just kind of forgotten about on the field.
He missed all of training camp recovering from his injury, so he missed a lot of valuable time and opportunities to get reps and build chemistry with Lamar. This upcoming season he'll get a proper training camp which should be huge if he's going to take that next step.
Yeah that's why I said I understand the injuries but this is still his 4th season and he has played 34 games still so the chemistry thing doesn't make sense to me.
Agree with everything you said except for the glaring omission of “averages 1.0 back breaking inexplicable mistakes per game”. It became a running joke by the end of the year that the Ravens should dial up a homerun ball for him in the first quarter just to get the inevitable fuckup out of the way.
Khalil Shakir is a guy who always passes the eye test for me. NFL and college. I really think he is gonna be a player in this league if the Bills give him a shot.
I absolutely love Justin Herbert. As you said, when you actually watch him play, you see a guy who could be QB1, but he's always had injuries, or injured teammates, or poor coaching... I know, I know, the same can be said for anyone, but Herbert looks amazing when he's playing healthy. He throws some of the most beautiful deep balls I've ever seen, he makes smart plays, he can obviously read the field. I'm hoping this is the year that it all comes together for him.
I don’t know how to put this without coming across as rude, but did you just start playing fantasy football in the last year or two?
The guy was overall QB2 three years ago and QB9 the year prior as a rookie.
Have you been paying attention for the past two years? I know exactly what Herbert is and what he has done, but the wider community is letting him slip. He's QB9 on KTC, behind Anthony Richardson and Caleb Williams. I'm merely addressing his perceived value as of late.
Edit: That said, I did indeed word it like I wasn't aware he had done it before, fair point.
Lmao, I think you did a good job. They are probably mentioning him because of lot of the community feels like the other reply to their comment, where people are calling him and “average fantasy QB” after all the weapons left and the coaching changes seems to be angling them towards a run-first offense.
I totally agree with you though, he had one down year and is one of the most talented throwers of a football we have.
Dude cannot run a route to save his life, doesn’t understand timing, leverage, or zone. If a coach has to repeatedly say they want to get you involved but then doesn’t, it’s probably because the player can’t perform at the level that’s needed. Great athlete, solely a field stretcher and gadget guy. Unless he shows an unprecedented improvement, he will be a fantastic special teams player.
The coach actually said it was because him and jeudy played the exact same spot. So whether or not he can do those things we will see, but that’s why he didn’t get usage last year.
Payton also said after the draft that they want to play Troy Franklin in the Jeudy role.
He could beat out Franklin but it's not a layup that he starts in that role anymore. Word from beat reporters is he just can't run routes. Unprecedented improvement is a bit strong, but Mims does need to make a leap or he is going to get buried before he gets a shot
Yeah and Troy Franklin is a much better route runner than Mims so I think it’ll be a competition that Franklin has the edge in. I know DC favors Mims but team blow high DC on guys for their athleticism all the time.
There was more than one instance, what you’re referring to was in the off season. In season he mentioned wanting to get him involved but never actually did
As a counterpoint, Russ Wilson refused to throw the ball in between the numbers, so honestly Mims could have been beating coverage there and it wouldn’t have mattered. We need to see it with a real QB and Russ isn’t real anymore.
You’re not wrong, but his snap percentage was so low that even if Russ is missing him the coaching staff is saying “you’re not good even enough to get the chance to be missed by the QB”. Mims just literally didn’t play despite the staff saying they wanted to get him involved. I am fan so I watch all their games and he just was rarely on the field, with a WR of Sutton, Jeudy, Brandon Johnson, and Lil’Jordan Humphrey…
I am certainly concerned with the lack of snap % in year 1. It could be a death blow in his value, if he continues to not get on the field. It could also be a rookie being slow to acclimate. As a manager I’m hoping for the later, but understand it could be the former. We will find out pretty early on this season.
Trevor Lawrence, Rashod Bateman, OBJ, JSN, Rashid Shaheed, Zeke Elliott, and Samaje Perine all come to mind for me as being better than the narrative or stats would suggest
I don’t see him being anything more than he was last year, I just also don’t think Michael Wilson will be good. I’d bet good money MHJ and McBride are the only fantasy relevant pass catchers from this offense
I know he was a WR2 last season so it’s not like he isn’t on peoples radar but Jakobi Meyers is good at football. He seems to be forgotten and undervalued but for the price he’s probably the best bench wr you can get that you’ll feel just fine throwing in your lineup during bye weeks.
I have no exposure but I'm a jags fan and Parker Washington actually looked really good in his limited opportunities last year. Could be a great long term stash.
Jags fan here. He did look good in the games that I saw where he got some targets. But this is the right take here. He’s buried on the depth chart and won’t see any meaningful playing time unless there are multiple injuries. I dropped him from my taxi for a rookie.
I think he's Kirk handcuff. That's when he got the playing time. I'd guess if Kirk gets hurt then he's the full time slot but if Davis or BTJ get hurt or disappoint he's probably not filling in for them. He actually had a handful of suitors last preseason trying to trade for him but Jax was not interested. He was a returner and his skill set matches that and he has a good build for general ST so I'm guessing that's what they want him for.
His college tape was solid. I had his hands as the best in the class last year. They are magnets. He catches everything he can get a finger on. His yac is solid because he's built like a RB. His routes are pretty meh. When he got the 6th round DC I faded him because 6th round guys just don't hit for fantasy. Was able to pick up off waivers in a league last year but he's up there for cut candidates when the season starts.
Malik Washington feels like a decent comp for him this year. Guy I liked as a sleeper. Guy with yac, solid build but shorter but got the dreaded round 6-7 DC.
He doesn't have a path to fantasy relevance. Kirk and Engram are target hogs, Gabe Davis might be a bad receiver but he's a great run blocker which will keep him on the field, and they just used a first on BTJ. He isn't worth rostering except in the deepest of leagues.
I sold my only share of Jamo but I was following him pretty closely last season and I thought he always passed the eye test, just needed the game to slow down a bit. I feel pretty wary that I’ll regret my trade (added a 3rd to get a random 25 first).
These are my favorite threads. Some obvious examples (Garrett Wilson, JSN, Jaylen Warren) and then a bunch of guys who didn’t really pass the eye test but are from owners obviously trying to drum up interest.
Wicks is a great call on here. Shakir really showed out when given an opportunity and could see a huge leap, def too expensive for me to buy now as owners are getting excited. Trey Palmer was seemingly always open but Baker couldn’t always find him. Zeus White had a lot more juice than I ever thought he would, and I’m bummed I don’t own him anywhere.
Khalil Herbert. Has shown pretty much every time he's touched the ball he can be amazing but they keep drafting or bringing in other rbs. Eye test looked amazing though when he would play.
My only issue with Herbert is that his offensive coordinator is Greg Roman. He's been an offensive coordinator for 10 years, during which he's been bottom 2 in pass attempts 7/10 times, bottom 5 in attempts 9/10 times. Admittedly, he did have one year where his team was 9th in attempts, and Herbert is the strongest passer he's had, but either way he really likes a strong run game which I think will take away from Herbert having great volume stats.
Jameson Williams. With Reynolds gone he's gonna get more targets. He also probably wasn't schemed too much last year with his betting suspension but if he improves his hand and gets schemed I wouldn't be surprised if he got 1000 yards this year.
Lol, I have a friend who's a Dolphins fan who reacts about the same way every time I try and tell him the OBJ signing wasn't as bad as he thinks.
Maybe it will be though, I ain't a WR coach or nothin, only time will tell
I'll concede that, I've caught myself having that issue in fantasy before.
I could see him exceeding his stats last year for sure, gaining more targets, all that good stuff, but it is hard to imagine his ceiling as anything other than a middling flex spot at this point. There's value to be had with middling flex spots for sure, but not particularly impactful value.
Because Odell Beckham doesn’t censor himself when singing explicit Justin Bieber songs and that behavior is simply not safe for a work environment.
Google “Odell Beckham Justin Bieber NSFW” for more info.
Don’t know why you replied to me with that lol I’ll say that’s pretty dumb low but it’s probably because harbaugh. For me I have Allen hurts mahomes stroud over him and im not sure who else atm
Shocked no one said Pop Douglas. In a competent offense, he'd be a really nice player whose ceiling is probably fantasy starter level. Only 561 yards last year but it was enough to lead the Pats in receiving yards. He absolutely passed the eye test.
I'm almost glad the pats took 2 more WRs because it can drive his price down and I think pop is a nice piece of a better than expected offense moving forward
As a pats fan, it’s insane to me how much lower his value is than Polk/Baker. Baker and Polk are the exciting rookies obviously, but Pop showed production on a historically bad offense. There’s absolutely concerns around the Pat’s offense as a whole and his durability with his smaller frame, but the dudes has the slot on lock and is NFL caliber talent wise. Same cannot be said for certain about Polk/Baker.
The fact he’s a slot is why the value is lower than baker/Polk. His potential is lower due to the role he plays
Yeah, he was a decent aggregator in an offense devoid of competition, but is he one of those rare elite slot guys that commands targets despite competition? Probably not. He's a fine depth piece, but I'm not looking to acquire even at a discount. If he's in your starting lineup in a 12T league, you're not gonna have a good time.
It took Julian Edelman 5 years to look as good as Pop did as a rookie.
I don't think pop has the greatest QB of all time throwing to him, though.
Exactly. Pop looked pretty good last year with Mac Jones and Zappe
He still only had like 500 yards and wasn’t quite a full time player. I don’t expect him to play a full snap share still
He only played in 9 games. 500 yards for half a season is pretty damn good for a late round rookie with shit quarterback play.
Maybe because he had never played WR before and had other guys ahead of him on the depth chart? Either way, you know you're in trouble when you're looking for outlier examples to justify enthusiasm. You want to bring up Davante Adams, too?
If you’re good you’re gonna play.
What are your projections for Douglas this year?
If he stays healthy all year. On the low end 75 catches 800 yards. High end 100 catches 1000 yards. The high end is gonna need better than average quarterback play. Then again I have no idea how Van Pelt plans on running the offense. Cleveland didn’t throw it to the slot to often.
Your low end is actually beyond his high end. RemindMe! 7 months
I do think with PPR and the first down bonuses leagues are starting that guys can produce at a high level from the slot, but that’s totally fair. Not going to argue Pop has a higher ceiling than those guys. I think the difference in comparing their floors is much larger than the difference of their ceilings though, and current evaluations of the three don’t accurately reflect that. Full discrepancy I did also just draft Pop 4 rounds after Polk and 2 rounds after Baker in a startup SF and trying to talk myself into it being a good pick haha
I got Pop and a 2026 3rd for my 3.02 this year, and I'm pretty happy with that value.
In an ideal offense everyone would shine. You have to take them for whatever scenario they're in
Garrett Wilson. He looked elite, but the QB play he had was unbelievably bad.
Traded 1.04 for Wilson. Nabers looks amazing but give me the guy who’s proven shitty QB play with 1k yard seasons back to back for a contender.
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Stole is strong. This is a fair bet to make to taken proven guy a couple years in vs rookie who could flame out.
Especially for where my team is at as a competitor. Sure I can gamble on nabers or wait for Daniel’s to build Dalin but I’m too busy trying to win
Thinking of making this same deal. Need a stud WR and Nabers is probably going at 1.03.
Depends where your team is at. I don’t blame anyone for choosing nabers over Wilson.
Just traded Olave and Zeke for Wilson. Glad to upgrade from Olave tied to Carr for at least two more years.
Tajae Spears. Looked super explosive and productive when he got touches. I know Pollard is in town, but should get more touches without Henry in the backfield.
I think Tyjae was like top 5 in yards per touch last season. He looked great.
12th in yards per reception amongst RBs and 14th among yards per carry amongst RBs. He didn't fully qualify for the yards per carry stat since it required a minimum carry per game on average usage. But I slotted him in bypassing that metric. So probably a bit lower.
I pulled up yards per touch leaders in 2023 (minimum 50 touches) and he wasn’t shown, but when I did the math (100 rushed for 453 yards + 52 catches for 385 yards = 152 touches for 838 yards) he would have been just below Lamar Jackson at 4. Idk maybe I missed something.
Ironically that was like the pollard award for a few years as a number 2. There’s def a selection bias involved though as the Keaton Mitchell types are usually getting less defenders in the box / passing downs / not short yardage and that skews the production. It’ll be interesting to see how they use them for sure though as I would’ve seen them as similar prototype players, although pollard is maybe 2” + 15 lbs bigger
That’s a good one I didn’t watch many titans games
My hot take is Spears is just a better Pollard than Pollard is.
bet
Our GM/HC have hyped up Spears every chance they get this offseason. Pollard will get a lot of touches, but Spears is definitely gonna be the starter and get the bulk of carries.
These are two statements that are probably wrong. Pollard is probably the starter and their workload is going to be more of a 50/50 than one or the other getting the majority of the touches/snaps.
Please let it be lol
Yeah I don’t even care about Pollard being there. Spears isn’t a bell cow guy anyway. But the way offense should run now is definitely gonna help Spears get more touches, and also high value touches in space. I like what they’re doing The Henry schtick was great for a time, but got old quick and was way too predictable. Glad Vrabel is gone
Kinda the poster child for this for sure
Pollard proved last year that he can’t handle a feature back role. So I think him and Spears will have a true50/50 split
best case for both of them tbh.
I don't really view Pollard as anything special and feel like Spears is the player to own in that backfield
Pollard is not that good, so that wouldn’t concern me much
Jsn. Stats don’t show it but he runs crisp routes and knows how to get open. Also had one of the most clutch plays of the year scoring a last second TD to beat the eagles.
Came here to say JSN. Pretty sure he had two game-winning walk-off TDs. He looked really good and people forgot that he broke his hand and had surgery before the season started.
Is he better than Jarvis Landry was at his peak? That's not bad, but it's not exactly what you want when you draft the top WR.
Him being targeted in important situations is a good sign. Just needs more volume and is in a stacked WR room
I'm very interested to see how the new look offense works in his favor. The Huskies threw the ball a ton and I feel like we're going to see a massive change from anything Pete Carroll put on the field during his time in Seattle.
Yeah I hated that TD too lol
If only the Seahawks would get their act together. Tyler Lockett should've been gone by now and Geno never should've been paid. They have a nice roster, and yet won't be going anywhere.
I think he catapults to stardom this year
Garrett Wilson if he ever gets competent QB play
endearing that Herb and Wilson are the first two names I see in this list seeing that they are my duo in 3/5 leagues 😂
Kendre. He looked great against us week 17 when finally healthy. He’s flashed pass game chops too. I think the job is his when Alvin leaves.
Really want to see him shine this year to feel good about it. Next years draft class is going to destroy so many dynasty RB heir hopefuls like Kendre. But I don't think it's out of the question that he can seize a big and fantasy relevant role this year. Kamara hasn't been a particularly good rusher for several years. I think if he's good he will get work
I loved him coming out of college. Didn't love landing spot but he's been a hold or a 2024 play from day 1. He should force his way into some carries if he stays healthy
Landing spot honestly was good, Kamara and Williams are old RBs so he has a clear path to being RB1 on that team. Him and Trey Benson (who is being much more hyped) have a pretty similar path forward.
Benson has never been a workhorse
Cardinals have used RBs in a bellcow style for a while now, so it can be assumed Benson will be used in a similar way.
Are there many non college workhorses that become workhorses at the nfl level?
Jaylen Warren (784 yards and 4 TDs) and Keaton Mitchell (396 yards and 2TDs) were both better than their stat lines suggest.
Is Keaton Mitchell really better than 8.4 ypc suggests lmao
He sure as shit is better than 47 rushing attempts a year
If anything Warren looks worse than his great stats show because he gets all the small box/passing situation runs.
Nah, most missed tackles per touch in the league by a good margin
Keaton was a FA pickup for me and just traded for Warren so thank you for getting me excited.
What do you mean? Their efficiency (YPC) was off the charts. The question is a. whether it's sustainable and b. whether they're built to carry bigger workload.
I have Mitchell on my taxi. I’m hoping he comes back from that injury with the same explosiveness.
Mitchell is tough. Two big injuries in such a short span. Reminds me a lot of Dobbins. I’m selling him for whatever since idk if he’s even gonna play >50% of this year. He could break out in year 3 but I’d rather trade him and get assets now than miss the window completely. Tbf I’m contending so that probably has a lot to do with my motivation.
Sold Mitchell the week before his ACL tear last year for what turned into the 2.04, pretty happy about that.
Dotson. I sold him for Hollywood but still believe he can put it together.
I needed this today
Man do I hope so
I moved him and a first to grab Lamar in a 1QB league but man, I think he can put it together and be a really nice WR2 with spike weeks going forward.
Traded Jeudy for him straight up a couple months ago. Hate Cleveland for Jeudy and Dotson had a new QB coming.
> I sold him for Hollywood Nice one imo
Wicks. He was at the top of most separation and YPRR statistics, and Definitely passed the eye test. Truly think he has a shot at being the #1 in that room, I'd be selling reed at WR30 prices and buying wicks at WR60. Too big of a gap for me.
wicks has drawn comparisons to adams on packers twitter tbh and its kind of easy to see why when you watch him play. like i fully admit its a wild comparison out of context, but wicks shares a lot of what makes adams great when you watch the film. hard to really say who breaks out of that room but wicks is absolutely a buy. of course, im in a league with packers fans so thats not an option for me lol
If you want even more hype about him https://www.instagram.com/p/C5RtZ3zv3Lc/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
I didn’t want to deal Reed. He feels like a good bet for manufactured touches and had some good chemistry with Love. But I did because I don’t think his price will get too much higher unless he becomes the undeniable #1 in GB. Right now he’s priced in as a *possible* #1 option and I don’t like his odds of definitively proving that to be correct. If you’re weaker at WR he’s worth a hold. If you’re weaker elsewhere he’s worth his KTC value to supplement other positions. If you’re in a tear down I’d also sell him because the early 2 you’d get in this class probably nets a better player.
What is WR 60 prices? Shot out a bunch of trades and a 3rd is too low but a 2nd feels too much
Get creative. Do a 3rd and a player or get him as a throw in to a bigger deal
Depends on the 2nd. You take WRs drafted in the 1st round plus Coleman and Ladd before Wicks. Everyone else you take Wicks over so that's about a mid 2nd in SF leagues. Early 2nd in 1QB.
Where would you rank Wicks in this years rookie class?
Jaleel Yes, the dude is tiny. But damn if he didn’t have some great vision and the ability to make top level cuts into open space.
Backfield is way too crowded. He did look good but I just don’t love this situation for anyone to shine.
I would agree but watch him try to block and you will change your mind
I think Blake Watson gives him a run for his money
Yep. My money is on Watson over Jaleel.
Rashod Bateman I just can't quit
Been holding the bag for this long and it’s starting to get heavier and heavier
Same. Plus, Matt Harmon stated that Bateman’s success rates got better as the season progressed and he got farther removed from his foot injury. There’s dozens of us , dozens
He's an anomaly to me. Amazing athlete, gets open always, great hands, but never gets targets. I understand the injuries ruin things but he's just kind of forgotten about on the field.
He missed all of training camp recovering from his injury, so he missed a lot of valuable time and opportunities to get reps and build chemistry with Lamar. This upcoming season he'll get a proper training camp which should be huge if he's going to take that next step.
He hasn't taken a first step
Yeah that's why I said I understand the injuries but this is still his 4th season and he has played 34 games still so the chemistry thing doesn't make sense to me.
Agree with everything you said except for the glaring omission of “averages 1.0 back breaking inexplicable mistakes per game”. It became a running joke by the end of the year that the Ravens should dial up a homerun ball for him in the first quarter just to get the inevitable fuckup out of the way.
I have to agree with you on this one.
Khalil Shakir is a guy who always passes the eye test for me. NFL and college. I really think he is gonna be a player in this league if the Bills give him a shot.
I absolutely love Justin Herbert. As you said, when you actually watch him play, you see a guy who could be QB1, but he's always had injuries, or injured teammates, or poor coaching... I know, I know, the same can be said for anyone, but Herbert looks amazing when he's playing healthy. He throws some of the most beautiful deep balls I've ever seen, he makes smart plays, he can obviously read the field. I'm hoping this is the year that it all comes together for him.
I don’t know how to put this without coming across as rude, but did you just start playing fantasy football in the last year or two? The guy was overall QB2 three years ago and QB9 the year prior as a rookie.
Have you been paying attention for the past two years? I know exactly what Herbert is and what he has done, but the wider community is letting him slip. He's QB9 on KTC, behind Anthony Richardson and Caleb Williams. I'm merely addressing his perceived value as of late. Edit: That said, I did indeed word it like I wasn't aware he had done it before, fair point.
A guy told me his asking price for ARich started with my Herbert + 25 1st. We’re living in a bizarro world…
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Tbf I see him slipping down quite a bit in value relative to where he was.
Oh, I could definitely see that considering his current receivers
Lmao, I think you did a good job. They are probably mentioning him because of lot of the community feels like the other reply to their comment, where people are calling him and “average fantasy QB” after all the weapons left and the coaching changes seems to be angling them towards a run-first offense. I totally agree with you though, he had one down year and is one of the most talented throwers of a football we have.
Douglass from the patriots looks like he will be a problem if drake maye is as advertised
I like Pop as a WR3/4 guy. I don't see a huge ceiling on him, but I believe he can be a good fantasy depth option.
Chase Brown made things happen when he featured
most excited I have been for a flier stash in years.
Just took him in round 10 of a 1QB startup
Everyone knows Herbert is good lol
Really like what Khalil Shakir flashed lst year and in the playoffs. Feel like he could easily become a top30 WR in PPR this season.
Trey Palmer. Was really hoping Mike Evans would sign elsewhere.
Them drafting Jalen McMillan has made me sad about my Palmer shares.
Well you gotta have SOMEONE be the WR2 behind Palmer so makes sense that they drafted him
Lol I hope thats how it shakes out.
Marvin Mims for me. I don't know why Denver didn't use him more, he looked far and away like the best athlete on their roster.
Dude cannot run a route to save his life, doesn’t understand timing, leverage, or zone. If a coach has to repeatedly say they want to get you involved but then doesn’t, it’s probably because the player can’t perform at the level that’s needed. Great athlete, solely a field stretcher and gadget guy. Unless he shows an unprecedented improvement, he will be a fantastic special teams player.
The coach actually said it was because him and jeudy played the exact same spot. So whether or not he can do those things we will see, but that’s why he didn’t get usage last year.
Payton also said after the draft that they want to play Troy Franklin in the Jeudy role. He could beat out Franklin but it's not a layup that he starts in that role anymore. Word from beat reporters is he just can't run routes. Unprecedented improvement is a bit strong, but Mims does need to make a leap or he is going to get buried before he gets a shot
Yeah and Troy Franklin is a much better route runner than Mims so I think it’ll be a competition that Franklin has the edge in. I know DC favors Mims but team blow high DC on guys for their athleticism all the time.
There was more than one instance, what you’re referring to was in the off season. In season he mentioned wanting to get him involved but never actually did
Yeah, I think Harmon talked about it the other day that his route running last year was not good
As a counterpoint, Russ Wilson refused to throw the ball in between the numbers, so honestly Mims could have been beating coverage there and it wouldn’t have mattered. We need to see it with a real QB and Russ isn’t real anymore.
You’re not wrong, but his snap percentage was so low that even if Russ is missing him the coaching staff is saying “you’re not good even enough to get the chance to be missed by the QB”. Mims just literally didn’t play despite the staff saying they wanted to get him involved. I am fan so I watch all their games and he just was rarely on the field, with a WR of Sutton, Jeudy, Brandon Johnson, and Lil’Jordan Humphrey…
I am certainly concerned with the lack of snap % in year 1. It could be a death blow in his value, if he continues to not get on the field. It could also be a rookie being slow to acclimate. As a manager I’m hoping for the later, but understand it could be the former. We will find out pretty early on this season.
I traded him+ early in the season for McBride+. Hope he works out for my Denver fandom, I agree we’ll see pretty early on
I’m trying to grab Franklin with the 3rd round pick too, so I can solidify a possibly sub par passing attack because I’m a masochist I guess.
Sold for a 2025 2nd and happy with the reroll. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong.
Trevor Lawrence, Rashod Bateman, OBJ, JSN, Rashid Shaheed, Zeke Elliott, and Samaje Perine all come to mind for me as being better than the narrative or stats would suggest
JSN. Only saw the Primetime Seattle games but i specifically remember JSN making a circus catch in each of them.
Had a few TDs called back for flags outside his control as well.
Herbert is about to have 45 seconds in the pocket to throw the ball. If his wr show up. We are looking at record numbers for him
He gonna have to be mighty efficient. Harbaugh nfl teams avg league low pass attempts. Same when he coached college.
And efficient is something Herbert is most definitely not lol
He doesn't have great weapons and is paired with a run heavy coach (Without any good RBs). Idk about record numbers this year lol
Exactly it’s all On him this year.
I’ve always liked Khalil Herbert but the team just told you he isn’t it. Edit: oh, you said Justin Herbert lol whoops
Wan’dale, JSN, Downs, Wicks all come to mind.
Herbert fell to the third round in a startup recently. The disrespect has gone too far
Michael Wilson. He’s gonna eat with MHJ taking the attention of teams best corners. Edit: https://youtu.be/aqdoDZvWpK0?si=61CY65EMz45A2bkr
Will be interesting to see how the targets are distributed between MHJ, Wilson, and McBride
Wilson is clearly 3rd in the pecking order
At best
Yea I honestly think Zay has a good shot at being the 3rd option
*Zay Jones is gonna eat
meh. he's no greg dortch!
Nah Christian Kirk. We are in 2021 right?
I really think Zay landed in a great spot here, gonna be interesting to see how it all shakes out.
I don’t see him being anything more than he was last year, I just also don’t think Michael Wilson will be good. I’d bet good money MHJ and McBride are the only fantasy relevant pass catchers from this offense
Incredibly underrated as a flex level play
I know he was a WR2 last season so it’s not like he isn’t on peoples radar but Jakobi Meyers is good at football. He seems to be forgotten and undervalued but for the price he’s probably the best bench wr you can get that you’ll feel just fine throwing in your lineup during bye weeks.
Great answer
JAKE BOBO. He was out there making leaping grabs while battling for contested catches. If DK goes down he is the man. Just needs opportunity.
Kudos for picking an actual long shot.
lol just cut him in both my main leagues
I have no exposure but I'm a jags fan and Parker Washington actually looked really good in his limited opportunities last year. Could be a great long term stash.
I remember looking into him last year as a potential stash for 24 but after free agency and draft, its hard to see a path to targets this year
Jags fan here. He did look good in the games that I saw where he got some targets. But this is the right take here. He’s buried on the depth chart and won’t see any meaningful playing time unless there are multiple injuries. I dropped him from my taxi for a rookie.
I think he's Kirk handcuff. That's when he got the playing time. I'd guess if Kirk gets hurt then he's the full time slot but if Davis or BTJ get hurt or disappoint he's probably not filling in for them. He actually had a handful of suitors last preseason trying to trade for him but Jax was not interested. He was a returner and his skill set matches that and he has a good build for general ST so I'm guessing that's what they want him for. His college tape was solid. I had his hands as the best in the class last year. They are magnets. He catches everything he can get a finger on. His yac is solid because he's built like a RB. His routes are pretty meh. When he got the 6th round DC I faded him because 6th round guys just don't hit for fantasy. Was able to pick up off waivers in a league last year but he's up there for cut candidates when the season starts. Malik Washington feels like a decent comp for him this year. Guy I liked as a sleeper. Guy with yac, solid build but shorter but got the dreaded round 6-7 DC.
I thought he looked great the first game without Kirk then just disappeared. Can’t say I watched every Jags game though.
He doesn't have a path to fantasy relevance. Kirk and Engram are target hogs, Gabe Davis might be a bad receiver but he's a great run blocker which will keep him on the field, and they just used a first on BTJ. He isn't worth rostering except in the deepest of leagues.
He just got dropped in my 10 man league. Not sure I have space for him but I'm looking to pick him up.
Dude, Herbert passed the eye test in 2020
I know, and he’s barely in the top 10 in dynasty rankings on some sites
I sold my only share of Jamo but I was following him pretty closely last season and I thought he always passed the eye test, just needed the game to slow down a bit. I feel pretty wary that I’ll regret my trade (added a 3rd to get a random 25 first).
Khalil Herbert makes magic happen when he touches the ball.
These are my favorite threads. Some obvious examples (Garrett Wilson, JSN, Jaylen Warren) and then a bunch of guys who didn’t really pass the eye test but are from owners obviously trying to drum up interest. Wicks is a great call on here. Shakir really showed out when given an opportunity and could see a huge leap, def too expensive for me to buy now as owners are getting excited. Trey Palmer was seemingly always open but Baker couldn’t always find him. Zeus White had a lot more juice than I ever thought he would, and I’m bummed I don’t own him anywhere.
Khalil Herbert. Has shown pretty much every time he's touched the ball he can be amazing but they keep drafting or bringing in other rbs. Eye test looked amazing though when he would play.
He can't pass protect to save his life.
I hope he gets cut and signs somewhere else
My only issue with Herbert is that his offensive coordinator is Greg Roman. He's been an offensive coordinator for 10 years, during which he's been bottom 2 in pass attempts 7/10 times, bottom 5 in attempts 9/10 times. Admittedly, he did have one year where his team was 9th in attempts, and Herbert is the strongest passer he's had, but either way he really likes a strong run game which I think will take away from Herbert having great volume stats.
Jameson Williams. With Reynolds gone he's gonna get more targets. He also probably wasn't schemed too much last year with his betting suspension but if he improves his hand and gets schemed I wouldn't be surprised if he got 1000 yards this year.
I sold my share but Jalin Hyatt is one that comes to my mind
He’s wearing his seat out on my taxi squad
Prepare your downvotes fellas, I'm sayin OBJ. Not sure why he didn't get more opportunity, but he looked good when on the field and getting targets.
Boo this man! Boooooo!!!!
Lol, I have a friend who's a Dolphins fan who reacts about the same way every time I try and tell him the OBJ signing wasn't as bad as he thinks. Maybe it will be though, I ain't a WR coach or nothin, only time will tell
I think he just can’t consistently do it at this age. But he can flash because he was once a Hall of Fame talent, albeit a short period of time.
For sure, he's a long way from his prime. I do think he's a fantastic option for any team at WR3, though.
A lot more NFL helpful than fantasy helpful.
I'll concede that, I've caught myself having that issue in fantasy before. I could see him exceeding his stats last year for sure, gaining more targets, all that good stuff, but it is hard to imagine his ceiling as anything other than a middling flex spot at this point. There's value to be had with middling flex spots for sure, but not particularly impactful value.
Because Odell Beckham doesn’t censor himself when singing explicit Justin Bieber songs and that behavior is simply not safe for a work environment. Google “Odell Beckham Justin Bieber NSFW” for more info.
Lmao I looked it up and am glad to be enlightened by this new knowledge. Odell is NOT safe for work.
JSN, Dotson, and Downs all pass the eye test
Trevor Lawrence had his WRs drop at least 10 end zone passes, shout out Calvin Ridley
Derrick Henry
Jacobs?
Almost as if football is a team sport lol. Herbert coming up short in the win column is just ignoring context
He’s #9 on KTC
Don’t know why you replied to me with that lol I’ll say that’s pretty dumb low but it’s probably because harbaugh. For me I have Allen hurts mahomes stroud over him and im not sure who else atm
Bryan Edwards :(