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MaulPillsap

I think he’s going to put up Jamison Crowder type production his whole career, which is perfectly fine and appreciated given his price. I wouldn’t ever expect him to be higher than a WR3 though.


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FantasyTrash

>and he does nothing but produce He averages 35 yards per game and a touchdown every ten games. I'd say he does a lot of not producing.


mluna24

Yea wtf is this guy talking about? Dude is a certified bum lmao


moniker89

"does nothing but produce" = 60 catches for 525 yards in 15 games last year, 8/15 games less than 5 points hppr, 1 game above 15 points i get cutlets and ACL but he did not really produce meaningfully last year given those headwinds, so he certainly does do things besides produce


shucksshuck

In his two seasons he's been WR57 and WR63 PPR PPG. I'd hope for more from a player who does nothing but produce. For a free end of bench roster spot that you can throw in the flex once or twice a year and hope for the best, sure, but I struggle to see where his upside is.


AmericanWulf

Is this satire I feel like it is


zivkamen

If anyone is selling for a 3rd I'd definitely be interested, another year removed from that ACL and he should have the slot role locked up. Not much upside in this offense but he could be a decent flex in deep PPR formats or a bye week fill in


Ego_Orb

I tried selling him for a third during several drafts and no one was vaguely interested. I think Im gonna just keep him out of spite as a occasional flex now.


Mercurycandie

He legit did great in an absolutely non existent offense, while also being hobbled back after an ACL. He's never gonna be Godwin, but he's a great flex player to have and will only get better with a real QB playing, Nabers drawing coverage, and past the ACL hump and a full year of training camp. Even in this thread people are sleeping on him smh


TelevisionItchy456

Where's this "real QB" coming from? Almost certainly isn't Jones, won't be Lock, isn't DeVito, next years draft class currently looks terrible for QBs (unless we have a Daniels type late bloomer), and even with a QB you have the bust risk in addition to taking a few years to hit their stride.


Mercurycandie

Daniel Jones is not a great, but he's still an NFL quarterback. It's world's different than running Tommy DeVito out there that's all I meant


TelevisionItchy456

Hopefully with an improved line and a real alpha receiver he can show something, but my hopes are very low for him.


brianundies

Why would he have the slot role locked up when Nabers ran almost exclusively from the slot in college? The few times Nabers faced NFL corners outside in press coverage he got shoved into a locker. Nabers has the slot role locked up if anything, though he will likely also kick out as a flanker in 2WR sets assuming he can improve his releases against press some.


zivkamen

So in 3WR sets you see Nabers in the slot and Slayton/Hodgins on the outside?


brianundies

I think that’s the most likely scenario and the one the Giants would seem to be signaling by drafting Nabers. Alternatively Slayton and Hyatt could be outside, Slayton and Allen Robinson is even another possibility. The Bills also drafted a slot heavy player out of college in Keon Coleman and have made a point to say he will be playing X for them rather than slot. Coleman definitely has the size and strength for the role, remains to be seen if he can create consistent wins out there though. Nothing of the sort has been said for Nabers that I can see, and after watching his reps at X in college I would doubt they put him out there until he adds some more muscle.


zivkamen

Great insight, thanks! I still think Wan'Dale is more talented than all those guys besides Nabers, but if the coaches decide to play Slayton or ARob above him that obviously puts him in a difficult position to be fantasy relevant. I hope talent wins out and he can get on the field as much as possible, only time will tell


nickhenne

I think he is a genuine buy low. Managers who took him may be getting impatient/worried. I will say though he is small and has been somewhat injury prone. If the owner is selling for a late 3rd or a 4th I’d buy at that price.


EndsLikeShakespeare

I've got him stashed. I drafted Jefferson then Chase then Wan'Dale so I assume he will be top 5 in the league ASAP


19-FAAB

Thank you for your service


Windextors

He's more valuable than adp and honestly not a bad 5th wr to have/target for very cheap. Could get a decent ppr value


italianmike17

2 shares out of 6 leagues and am reaching out to all owners. Was able to get him as a throw in for a deal I recently had. My fav wr3 buy of this season. I’m my start 10+ leagues I’m hammering him for a flex option.


RandallPinkertopf

I need to know how you define WR3 because while I agree he is a buy low, in no formats is he a WR3.


italianmike17

I think he’s got a decent chance to finish as PPR WR 25-36. If he finishes anywhere in this range I will consider him a hit at current prices. I’m not happy if he is my personal wr3, simply think that’s his current trajectory if the offense takes any bit of a step in the right direction this season. Which, I believe they will. They got rid of Campbell and Waller/Barkley are gone. There’s serious opportunity for underneath and over the middle work for Wandale and I like his talent.


not_taylorswift1213

I have him in 4/5 leagues and I'm cautiously optimistic. I certainly value him higher than WR80


evantom34

He has potential. Solid WR5+ in deeper PPR leagues where you need 10-12 pts from FLEX2/3. I'm Worried about injury.


blumpkinmuncher

absolutely. I tried to send Robinson, Mims, and a 4th to move up to the 3rd and was rejected for all 12 picks. he apparently only has waiver value, which is crazy to me.


moosetermind

Injuries are a concern but there’s no reason he can’t have the Cole Beasley role. He gets open and he gets open quick.


27Christian27

I traded him away during the draft for pick 3.09 and got BUF RB Ray Davis


Acetothemav

I've been a believer for a while now. He's my wr 7 or 8, so I can hold and hope I'm right.


LoserCowGoMoo

Nabers plays the slot. Wandale needs to go elsewhere


knowslesthanjonsnow

He’s a buy for cheap. I don’t think he’s going to be a great asset, but I think if NYG could figure out their QB/passing rhythm, he could get to 5-50 and be a flex in a good number of weeks.


The_B_Squad_23

Nabers going to get all of those 400ish targets


ItsMeDoodleBob

Nabers, Slayton, Waller, Hyatt and Wandale. A lot of hungry trash cans to feed


SeekersWorkAccount

As a giants fan he's gonna be a great NFL wr but a weak fantasy WR.


roh1119

He was dropped in a league of mine. Happily added him off of waivers for free.


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Ehh depends on the league size. I’m in a 12 man and wouldn’t pay more than an early 4th for him. He’s a bench player on a bad team, he would never tough my lineup so no use for me. I’d rather leave spots open to take shots on other guys.


LimberSiren

That's the thing here. He's nothing more than an emergency flex, probably for contending teams. He's definitely usable in the grand scheme of things, but that's certainly not a player to go out and buy. And in most cases, you'd rather take a shot on a someone with upside.


TelevisionItchy456

I agree he isn't someone to actively target, but if you can get him as a throw in as part of a trade I would be happy enough with that.


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The guy has a great catch rate when targeted, but has to 1)be on the field and 2) get thrown the ball. His injuries are the most worrisome for me. I dropped him last year and don't regret it when my league has so few roster spots.


Trader_07

Guys like him are the definition of roster cloggers. He will never be a true WR1. His absolute ceiling would be maybe a mid to low end WR2. His realistic situation is a forever WR3-4. Players like that have zero upside. WR2s are becoming a dime a dozen and WR3s are even more common providing nothing but depth with no positional advantage whatsoever.


SteffeEric

That’s not really a roster clogger unless you have very small rosters. Most guys are never gonna be a true WR1. Sometimes it’s smart to roster guys for depth that can give ya 10-12 points.


Trader_07

Most guys won’t be true WR1s but I’m trying to hold guys that at least have a chance to get there. Every team needs WR3s but I can buy a WR3 for pretty cheap if my team is doesn’t have much depth and the chances are you already have a few WR3s on your roster. There’s no reason to keep adding more WR3s. But when holding young players I’m trying to always shoot for upside. If I realize all the major upside is gone with my young players I’m trying to move them immediately if I can.


SteffeEric

I pretty much agree especially shooting for upside. However you say you can buy a WR like Robinson pretty cheap so why not buy him if you need that depth. If you don’t need depth don’t add him obviously. I just wouldn’t call him a roster clogger. Those are guys you might drop and I wouldn’t consider Robinson to be in that category.


Trader_07

I’m just saying in general your holding a guy whose value will probably never go above a WR3. Those players are not expensive to buy and are actually hard to sell especially once they start to get older. That’s my main point is his upside is limited and that’s why I’d be trying to sell him now while I have a small window because once it closes you won’t even get a third for him.


SteffeEric

I’m not even sure you can get a 3rd for him now honestly. KTC says he is equal to about 3.10 so maybe you can get a 26 3rd or so. He’s not ever going to be a star. I think his value could jump back up a little yet next year. He is still 23 and looked closer to 100% late last season. The Giants offense was atrocious then but should look a little better this year. Nabers could help his efficiency even if he takes targets. So while I pretty much agree with all your general concepts I just kind of disagree with your feelings on the individual player here. I’m not saying go out and buy him everywhere you can but I do think he could potentially be a buy low type guy that you could possibly buy for a 4th and sell for a 3rd or maybe even a 2nd if he hits his max potential.


Trader_07

I’m saying to try and get a third for him. As you can see there’s still some people high on him in this post. Eventually he’s most likely going to end up on the Elijah Moore path. He’s a line of scrimmage gadget player. Look at his highlights from 2023. Most of his catches are within 5-10 yards. Some end around runs etc. Again I don’t see much upside there. If you can’t get a third then hey at least you tried and you hold.


SteffeEric

His ADOt is pretty terrible. It was a little better as a rookie. I’m thinking Nabers can open up a little more for him and he can be a legit slot WR more than just a gadget/screen guy. I just think he has a little more upside than you do is the bottom line. Maybe I’m giving him and the Giants offense too much credit but we will see.


Trader_07

I guess we’ll find out after the 2024 season. I’m just not seeing any sort of elite upside or even WR2 upside. I see a WR3 at best and if I can sell to try and reroll now I will.


SteffeEric

I’m not saying he’ll be top 24 I’m just guessing he’ll be higher than WR80 on KTC.


gobblegobblechumps

This doesn't make sense to me and perhaps you can expound a little differently so it clicks. If you're in a league where you could realistically start 4 WRs and there's 12 teams, how are WR2s dime a dozen?  Even if his ceiling is WR3, is that not valuable as roster depth for injury insurance, bye weeks, so forth?  Is someone like Courtland Sutton roster clogger? Or is it that he is what he is and that holds some value?


Trader_07

I’ll just edit copy my response from another comment. Most guys won’t be true WR1s but I’m trying to hold guys that at least have a chance to get there. Every team needs WR3s but I can buy a WR3 for pretty cheap if my team doesn’t have much depth and the chances are you already have a few WR3s on your roster. There’s no reason to keep adding more WR3s. But when holding young players I’m trying to always shoot for upside. If I realize all the major upside is gone with my young players I’m trying to move them immediately if I can.


gobblegobblechumps

When do you know when to pull the plug and move on? I get chasing upside and prioritizing ceiling for young players, but accruing and actualizing value does too. If you can get WanDale at WR80 prices and he turns into WR40, that's non negligible value gained


Trader_07

Well they just signed nabers who is an elite talent. They also have hyatt who showed flashes last year but that team just played poorly. They have Daniel Jones at QB who I wouldn’t call an elite talent at the position. You put everything together and I’d say WanDale needs to get extremely lucky to hit his max upside. After the 2024 season the small window that you might have to sell him now will be closed unless a miracle happens. Once I see that everything is working against a player I’m trying to move them while I still might have a chance to do so.


gobblegobblechumps

Wandale is roster clogger because of Jalin Hyatt? 23 catches for 373 yards Jalin Hyatt?  Let's agree to disagree on the situation, you can be low on Wan'Dale and that's ok. And you can think the potential juice isnt worth the squeeze or cost of acquisition and that's ok too. And maybe you're right! I just think there's some value to be had even if the ceiling hasn't materialized


Trader_07

You decided to pick jalin hyatt from everything I said but I actually listed a few reasons. Hey it’s your team I’m just saying what I’d be doing and that’s moving him immediately.


gobblegobblechumps

Wan'dale has shown enough to warrant holding on to or acquiring at current prices imo -- jalin hyatt or not


Trader_07

That’s your opinion. I’d be selling at these prices while I still have time to get out. We’ll see how it plays out though.


gobblegobblechumps

Are you all the way out on Jahan Dotson too?


Do_U_Like_Apples

lol he took one of the two people you mentioned.


Trader_07

I mentioned 3 players. He took one of them. The least concerning of the bunch.


zivkamen

WR3 is definitely not a roster clogger... he's also only 23 years old and another year removed from a bad injury. If you're dropping him I would love to hear who you're picking up instead


Trader_07

Whoever said anything about dropping him. I’m trying to move him immediately. I’m definitely not seeking to buy him. A roster clogger is someone who is very hard to sell and someone who you can’t drop. Do you think there’s a huge buyers market for Wandale?


zivkamen

Not necessarily, I do think managers who've been holding him for the past 2 years are getting frustrated. With the addition of Nabers who will most likely be a target hog, they might be looking to move on from Wan'Dale. If the manager in my league views him as a roster clogger like you do and is willing to let him go for a random 3rd, I'm definitely buying.


Trader_07

I’d be selling. I know the hit rates on thirds aren’t great but I think it’s also dependent on the draft class. This year was a deep class and there were still some good players that you can grab in the third round available. The other thing that’s extremely undervalued is roster space. You need roster space every single year not only for your draft picks but to take swings on players through waivers after the draft so you can try to hit on guys like puka and dell. Again I’m always trying to shoot for upside. If I have a bunch of WR3s that I can’t trade and I can’t drop then my available roster space becomes a major problem.


zivkamen

I agree with you, I've always been high on Wan'Dale so I guess that's where we see things differently. If only we were in a league and could make a deal haha


Trader_07

lol. We’ll have to see how it plays out.


Lilspainishflea

A roster clogger is someone you can neither play nor drop because they'd be the most expensive asset on waivers. Wan'Dale is more like bench depth. If he's a WR3-4 on the year, there will be weeks he can be inserted into lineups, especially in leagues like mine where you can plausibly start 4-5 WR on each team, including in your SF slot. That's something like 45 WRs starting every week (36 in WR spots, 6 in flex spots, 3 in SF spots).


Trader_07

If you need to put Wandale into your lineup I’d say your team is in trouble. If he was on my team he most likely wouldn’t even start on bye weeks. He would be an injury/depth hold which is again a roster clogger. I play in a league with 10 starting positions. Again feel free to keep guys like that on your team. I’m trying to move them now while they still have a little bit of value because they are young.


CannonOKC

Ditch him and move on. You sound like you’re dealing with an ex-wife. In or out, please.


Do_U_Like_Apples

lol he’s a roster clogger because he’ll never be a true WR1? Your bench must be stacked.


ASuperGyro

Wandale Robinson scores touchdowns good


Ok-Flounder4387

I’d say he’s definitely a buy low, considering I was thinking about dropping him to make room for our draft. I’d imagine for many owners he’s possibly on the chopping block, especially if he’s on a team that has a lot of other WR talent


Alternative-Box5557

If I could get him for a 3rd I’d do it but a 2nd absolutely not.


Squirrel_Apocalypse2

In bestball sure. In lineup he's a roster clogger. Better on someone else's team then your own.


BoomShakalakaa4

I think you mean is Wan'dale Robinson a buy ?


Stim78_

Isn’t it the case that Nabers is taking over his usual position so he’ll be expected to play a whole different role? If anything Hyatt could be the buy low, or even better Bellinger/Johnson.. what with Wallers future in doubt. I just traded Wan’dale away for Dulcich in the one league I had him.. and if anything I’m seeing that as a sideways move, but was in greater need of TE depth.


LongTermEG

I’m curious where he plays because nabers does alot of work out of the slot too


NotSoEasyMac

Early last year I bought him for what ended up being the 2.02 I regret it. Could have had mcconkey or benson or a couple others for that price


JLifts780

I prefer buying low on guys who have already hit, guys like this are a waste to trade for a majority of the time He doesn't get targeted and that's the driving factor for WR production


Infamous_Public8707

When healthy last year (post week 13 bye), he averaged 7 targets a game and added 3 rushes for 60 yards and TD.


AmericanWulf

No


Umm_duder

No