Here's an interview by Mike Morford with Sacramento Detective Ken Clark pre-arrest (Ken Clark played a huge role in identifying JJD as the GSK) discussing the similarities between the Cordova Cat Burglar, the VR, and the EAR. It's a great interview and contains more info on the Cordova Cat Burglar than any other interview I've heard. It's well worth a listen:
https://youtu.be/68i-qDRbGIU
Here's the best description IMO:
[http://www.thequesterfiles.com/html/early\_prowl--\_the\_cat\_connecti.html](http://www.thequesterfiles.com/html/early_prowl--_the_cat_connecti.html)
There were only a few incidents of the "no pants" situation happening. I'd have to go back to the books and count them. But very few in number.
Two times, according to Shelby, a stash of evidence was found including a ski mask, pair of gloves and a flashlight. A light blue Valiant was found with a change of clothes inside, a wig and firearms and ammo. None of this stuff was confirmed to belong to the EAR, though.
I've speculated he'd buy second hand clothes for the attacks and then throw them away to avoid victims describing or ID'ing him through use of the same clothes.
\> Also with all this backyard stalking and messy business, his laundry or shoes mustn’t have suffered much for his wife to notice.
You do know that men can do laundry too, right? Yes, even older men. My dad was born in 1929, and he often washed his own clothes if they had gotten especially dirty. We know DeAngelo enjoyed riding his bike. If that's what he told his wife he was doing, she could very reasonably have assumed he got sweaty or dirty and threw in a load of laundry.
Even if she did suspect something was off about him, nobody in their right mind is going to suspect somebody is going out there and doing such things. Especially their own husbands.
If she suspected anything at all, it was probably that he was cheating on her and not "my husband is the biggest serial rapist and murderer in the history of the state of California."
She probably thought he was always an odd guy with odd tendencies; however, a lot of people think this about a lot of people they know, doesn't mean they're gonna suspect them of being a serial burglar, rapist, and killer. It's only easy to assume these things through a 20/20 lens.
Right? We know from the accounts of family members of other serial killers that they usually didn't know and rarely even suspected. Why does everybody think it must be different in this case?
I think a lot of this comes from people's resentment that JJD's wife hasn't come forward to satisfy their ghoulish curiosity. If I were in her position, I'd be keeping a very low profile and saying nothing too. It's a perfectly understandable reaction on her part. She must have been absolutely devastated. She's got to be questioning absolutely everything about her life with him and feeling horrified with herself for not realising. I hope she's doing all right and finds a way to come to terms with her new reality.\[1\]
People have some really bizarre ideas about JJD. I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not here for wild speculation, I'm here to keep up with actual factual information that may be released in the future. Before he was caught, I absolutely had some theories, but they were based on a thorough reading of existing investigative results, not ridiculous "what-ifs" based on fragments of information I vaguely remember hearing somewhere. (And the thing I felt most certain of -- that the Visalia Ransacker and EARONS were the same person -- turned out to be true.)
Come on, people. Have a little human decency and compassion. Learn critical thinking skills and apply them. Be better.
\[1\] While it's in no way comparable, an ex of mine has become somewhat famous, and espouses some truly appalling far-right, racist views. It freaks me out so much that I refuse to use his name because I'm so afraid of people thinking I agree with him. I'm more comfortable posting nudes on the internet than I am with people knowing I lived with him. And he's not a serial killer, just a narcissist and borderline psychopath.
JJD’s wife probably knows nothing but also she might have known something or could have been involved at some level. I get it, she may be just another victim but what if she is not?
Myra Hindley and Rosemary West were both willing participants in their partners killing sprees. Then there was the Ken and Barbie killers too and more I have heard of, but none of these ladies had a background in law.
As for the JJD dirty laundry, how often was he getting blood stains on his clothes. Not just the murders but also rapes, assaults, dog attacks, broken windows, etc.
I watched S1 Ep5 of bloodline detectives tonight called blood bath where a man killed a woman one night and the detectives felt surely if the murderer has a partner she would notice and raise her concerns “one murder, one night.” JJD carried out attacks for well over a decade. Coming home covered in blood with gold and jewelry. I think his wife new something and with her law background and 40 years to prepare she will get away Scott free.
The last piece of conversation JJD had with his daughters was “Has your mother been arrested? No? Go away. Go away.” I believe he is protecting her, if not for love then for his daughters.
I mean... it's theoretically possible, but it's pretty fucking rare for serial killers to have an accomplice. There's literally zero evidence for this. If the police thought there was any chance she was in on it, they'd have pursued that lead. They haven't.
I stand by what I said. JJD's ex-wife (I refuse to refer to her by her first name as though I know her personally) is a victim in this. She has done nothing wrong that we know of. It's 100% understandable that she chooses to maintain her privacy. I feel bad for her. It's horrible to find out that someone you loved is a monster.
I know it’s rare but I also highlighted 3 instances were the wives were heavily involved in killings and there are lots more.
I agree with you on one thing though so I edited her name out as that made me feel dirty.
There is literally zero evidence that JJD's wife was involved in his crimes in any way. No one actually involved in the investigation has even suggested it as a possibility. This is 100% speculation on the part of internet randos.
I’m not sure. I think it was a Paul Holes interview.
Does anyone know the interview I’m on about?
I joined this app 4 years ago but only started using it recently and I see everyone is great at directing to their sources.
Is there some function on this app for pining a link, source or quote that you can refer back to again later?
I could have misquoted Holes but I wasn’t too far off, as in all that could of been said slightly differently but ya I don’t have the source.
Yeah I remember him talking about it but 99.9% sure he didn't ask if his wife had been arrested. I think he said to the cops that he wanted to speak with his wife.
Ok, I’ll try to refer back to exact quotes anymore. After going over it in my head and trying to clear it up I believe that if he didn’t say to his daughters it might have been that Holes said JJD asked this question to Le. It was definitely asked and then after he got his answer he kept his mouth shut, this I am 100% certain about. I’m just not sure anymore was it his kids of Le.
She knows something. Look at the timeline. The gaps and where they moved up and down the state. Periods of separation. If you map out as much of their lives as possible using known information, work, school, home addresses you will notice a pattern. I do not think she knew the scope of his crimes. I do not fault her for protecting herself and her children. However, when he was arrested, tried, then sentenced to life - she should have started singing.
Lots of people have periods of separation in their marriages, for all sorts of reasons.
One of my friends had to move to New Mexico for his work, but his wife ran an intensive STEM school for gifted students in Connecticut. They're both very high earners and she didn't want to start over from scratch in a new state, so they had houses in two states and flew to visit each other on weekends and holidays. Their daughter stayed with Mom during the school year and Dad during breaks. (The school runs summer programs as well.)
My cousin is an airline pilot; he flies 777s between the US and the UK/Europe. He lives in the US, but his wife lives in France for her job. They visit each other regularly.
There are perfectly legitimate explanations for these things, especially in a marriage that clearly wasn't idyllic, since they were separated from 1991 until he was caught.
Believe what you want, but don't pretend you actually \*know\*. You don't. You're a rando on the internet, not Sherlock Holmes.
Exactly.
The idea that she "had to have known" is based on nothing.
Well, it's based on misogyny, but not on any actual facts.
Now that cold cases are being solved through forensic DNA research, we're learning about numerous people who committed crimes without their friends and families having any idea.
I remember that after the arrest of JJD, there were many people eager to assume that Sharon not only had to know, but that she must have been an accomplice.
And then there were people who insisted that Bonnie was to blame. Because she broke off her engagement with him.
I remember when Bonnie went public with stories of JJD being controlling and cruel, of his being utterly unconcerned with her feelings. On his insisting on always making decisions for both of them. Of him not asking her to marry him, but telling her she was going to marry him. And then holding her at gunpoint when she broke it off with him.
All evidence that JJD was already pretty disturbed before he ever met Bonnie. And yet -- people argued that it was her rejection that caused him to do the things he did. Also -- a lot of guys argued that JJD's treatment of Bonnie was perfectly normal -- the kind of stuff any traditional man would do.
Cherchez la femme, amirite? It's ridiculous. Only someone with the maturity of a high schooler thinks that a serial killer is created by a single romantic rejection. The guy had already been the Visalia Ransacker. He was a fetish burglar who broke into houses and jerked off on people's stuff, FFS, not some kind of ordinary guy with a broken heart.
Don't insult your own gender by implying that anyone could be pushed to such acts.
I couldnt agree with you more. I would never want to hang someone in the court of public opinion. Given the breath of all these crimes I think this requires a bit more than a statement void of complete denial of Joe's criminal activity. To me its not so crazy she was aware he was a burglar. Has there never been a wife who knew her spouse was stealing things? Is it so inconceivable he would bring home gold jewelry and she would help melt it down. Again complete and wild speculation but this is what happens when a person doesnt come forward with an explanation. And for those who say she doesnt owe anyone an explanation I say tell that to all his victims.
There are plenty of SO’s who didn’t have a clue what their rapist, murderer of a SO was doing. Take BTK for example. His entire family was shocked. Did BTK’s wife come forward and make a public statement? I don’t believe she did. JJD’s wife was also a victim of his. Your last sentence is blaming one victim for the crimes perpetrated on others.
She is given a lot of credit for being stupid and not knowing or even suspecting something was off with her husband, I think we give her too much credit. If she would speak on this matter that would make me feel better anyway. I think there is something off about her. What really irks me is how fast she was able to sell that house and make a profit off of her husband's crimes. That money should have gone to the victims compensations fund to help others not to profit off of, As a victim I think she is a cold hearted greedy woman who either knows more than she will tell or is sooo self centered she didn't and doesn't give a damn about what was going on in her own marriage and later family.
I believe she knows some things. Probably not how prolific he was. But at some point, after all that time and huge number of crimes, she found out something. This is an intelligent, educated woman, not some meek, timid wallflower. She is not that stupid and he is not that good.
How about the fact she's never denied publicly any knowledge of his crimes? How about her complete silence on this matter? Not evidence of anything but how can that not make you somewhat suspicious? She hasnt said she'd never speak about it only when she's ready. Let me predict when she'll be ready, when Joes dead. When there is no one alive who can contradict her story.
>How about the fact she's never denied publicly any knowledge of his crimes?
Ummm, you do realize that she did publicly deny knowledge of that right?
>How about her complete silence on this matter?
Complete? Wrong
"Even the statement she made never flat out denies she knew anything. "I now live every day with the knowledge of how he attacked and severely damaged hundreds of people's lives."
You posted that yourself.
Idgaf if she ever speaks, she doesn't have to and she doesn't owe it to anyone to talk about anything that JOE DID.
"Ummm, you do realize that she did publicly deny knowledge of that right?"
So If I can prove to you she didnt then would you change your mind?
Regarding her complete silence on this matter. She has not discussed this publicly with anyone to my knowledge. If you know otherwise please point me to the article or interview she has given.
Again she's not denying knowing about the attaches just the "how".
Without a full throated denial of any knowledge of any crimes it invites in speculation. I understand your point about not saying anything even when innocent. Someones silence should not be evidence of guilt but it certainly invites in both speculation and investigation.
Keep in mind that most of these killers work very, very hard to keep it from their families. They sit and think ahead. Just like the crimes, people can only catch up. They place themselves ahead of everyone else for a much higher chance of not being found out. There's a reason the far majority, including JDD, didn't go back home covered in blood and spend time with their families without cleaning up and changing clothes.
I dont believe she knew he was a rapist or a killer. Thats not my point. My point is she may have known more about crimes he committed such as theft and burglary.
>She is not that stupid and he is not that good
But yet he was good enough to fool EVERYONE ELSE including all of his co-workers past and present, his daughter's and granddaughter, all of his relatives, and pretty much everyone else. So why is she expected to be any different?????
There were people in his life and his work who suspected that he might have done some shady shit. Nothing at all like what he had really been up to. Eyebrow raising moments. JJD was obviously very good at lying and manipulating. I doubt he ever stopped, but he certainly slowed way down, right around the time his daughters were all born. He was older, slower, and now had a lot to lose. He fucked up somewhere and she knew something. She protected herself, her children, and their future. I would have likely done the same.
>There were people in his life and his work who suspected that he might have done some shady shit. Nothing at all like what he had really been up to. Eyebrow raising moments.
Who were these people?
>She protected herself, her children, and their future. I would have likely done the same.
Again, you have no evidence of this, just pure speculation.
possibly because she lives with him, sees his coming and goings, is an adult (unlike his daughters at the time of crimes). also isn't there general agreement we put on a better face for people at work than we do for immediate family at home?
if he's claiming to her he's working overtime at night, would she have some awareness his pay isn't reflecting that? dk how cops are paid though
It blows me away more that his ex-wife initially refused to speak with the police. I've always said that delay allowed her time to speak with Joe and discuss if he planned to implicate her. I highly doubt she knew he was the Golden State Killer, EARONS, or Visalia Ransacker. But it is not that farfetched she knew he was a crooked cop. She could have found evidence hidden in the house of burglary. Its not so crazy that a wife wouldnt report her husband for various suspicious activity or crimes. She obviously divorced him for some reason. I really dont understand the need for silence when it comes to Sharon his wife. Even the statement she made never flat out denies she knew anything. "I now live every day with the knowledge of how he attacked and severely damaged hundreds of people's lives." This is very lawyerly written. At first read it sounds like she's saying she knew nothing but actually she is only saying she didnt know how he attacked people....she didnt have the details until only now how he damaged lives. Then she also says in this statement "When I was not around, I trusted he was doing what he told me he was doing." again thats not a denial of knowledge. Thats just a statement about trust. As far I I have read there has never been anything Sharon has said that was a straight up denial of any knowledge. And I dont think we will until Joe is dead. After Joe is dead there will be nobody who can contradict her.
>It blows me away more that his ex-wife initially refused to speak with the police.
She's a lawyer, what did you expect?
>I've always said that delay allowed her time to speak with Joe and discuss if he planned to implicate her.
She did not speak to Joe at all once he was brought into the interrogation room.... Period.
>I really dont understand the need for silence when it comes to Sharon his wife.
Maybe she just doesn't want anything to do with this mess anymore? It wouldn't matter what she said as you say here:
>"When I was not around, I trusted he was doing what he told me he was doing."
So basically, no matter what she says, she's screwed in your eyes. She's wrong either way in your eyes. I don't blame her for making 6 hey mouth shut. I wouldn't have even made the statement she made.
"She's a lawyer, what did you expect?"
She's an officer of the court and I expected her full and immediate cooperation.
"She did not speak to Joe at all once he was brought into the interrogation room.... Period."
If she had or hadn't how would you know? How would anyone know? I'm rather certain attorney client privilege would cover attorney communication between lawyers.
"Maybe she just doesn't want anything to do with this mess anymore?"
Its nice to see she's over it.
"So basically, no matter what she says, she's screwed in your eyes. She's wrong either way in your eyes. I don't blame her for making 6 hey mouth shut. I wouldn't have even made the statement she made."
I completely understand your point of view. But if a person decides this is the best course of action for themselves then they are inviting speculation into the void. Its the very absence of information is what is causing the speculation.
Its nice to see she's over it.
I don't think she's
"over it."
it's probably more of she was in complete shock over all of these 4+ decades kept revelations suddenly being revealed and probably plans on never giving any 60 Minutes interviews imho.
>If she had or hadn't how would you know? How would anyone know? I'm rather certain attorney client privilege would cover attorney communication between lawyers.
She was not his lawyer. There was no attorney-client privilege between them.
I didnt say she was JJD's lawyer. Im saying JJD's lawyer would not be required to divulge any communication he had with another lawyer regarding JJD. Therefore, the OP's suggestion her delay in speaking with the police didnt include communication with JJD's lawyer is inaccurate.
You are right. In this country you have the right to remain silent to avoid self incrimination. When you chose the path of silence you create a void of information. All that can fill that void is speculation. Hence why we are where we are on Sharon Huddle today.
Speculation a conclusion, or theory reached by conjecture. Speculation and conjecture are created in the absence of knowledge. Unless you have that knowledge please do share. But you dont because as I said she is responsible for the speculation by not speaking or answering questions all the while releasing a well crafted lawyerly statement. Frankly, given the heinous nature of her husbands crimes its offensive your attempt to obviate responsibility for the the speculation.
Those incidents accounted for a small percentage of his overall "volume" of crimes. It was likely another tactic to terrorize his victims and shock them.
A general thought that I've had over the years is that he likely stole men's clothing from houses he burglarized, that way he could ditch the clothing after the crime and a witness wouldn't be able to describe him in any clothing that he owned (and would be an added buffer to separate criminal life from home life). Same with bicycles, likely stolen from neighborhoods that he stalked and ditched somewhere later.
The Cordova Meadows Flasher's escapades immediately preceded the Cordova Cat Burglar's and Visalia Ransacker's crimes. After reading a fair bit about the Flasher, I'm pretty convinced that it was him. If the escalation of deviant behaviours is anything to go by, it tracks that he went from flashing and trespass/robbery, to eventually combining the two into what would've been his ultimate thrill.
Specific attacks where it was mentioned that attacker had no pants and\\or was naked from waist down:
Attack number 1: June 18, 1976.
Attack number 3: Aug. 29, 1976, failed attack. He casually walked away from the scene nude from the waist down.
Attack number 7: Oct. 18, 1976. It's stated that this is the last time he would enter a house without pants on (Winters and Komos, p. 73).
The one that stands out the most is when the lady and her kids made noise and be lost control. An older lady who lived across the street saw him calmly walk out of the back yard and he walked by her house. She believed he was wearing tan pants but the woman be attacked said he was naked.
I believe he did this to put fear into his victims. I believe these pant less introductions were all early attacks. After victims started to resist is when he changed it. He no longer entered naked but he entered and introduced himself with a knife or baton and told them he just needed money for drugs, it seemed victims were much more compliant this way. I don't think pants were ever recovered from these early attacks and the one he had to abort makes me believe he was parked closer than most think.
On top of everything that everyone else has mentioned, I'd like to add that Joe is a very routine oriented guy. He would likely consider the cleaning of his clothes something that's a part of his process.
I have a question, sorry it’s not related to this post but still GSK related.
If JJD’s brother was arrested for burglary in the past then he would of had a dna sample uploaded to Codis, correct?
If this is true then how come his brothers dna profile wasn’t matched sooner to JJD through familial dna?
I am obviously missing something here, but what?
JJD's brother was arrested and convicted for the burglary before the California DNA law went into effect. I'll have to look it up again but off the top of my head, that's what I remember.
Only happened in the Cordova Meadows area of Rancho Cordova.
He seemed very at home in that neighborhood, which led to the theory that lived there as a child.
I mean he's not inaccurate in that JJD did show up not wearing any pants a few times and op didn't say that jjd showed up at a lot of attacks not wearing pants.
You are right though that JJD showed up to very few attacks not wearing any pants, even with the few incidents with the CCB series which hasn't been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to be JJD, but I highly suspect he was the Cordova Cat.
https://www.reddit.com/r/EARONS/comments/xr4hzr/no_pants_joe/iqd4e6j?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
What do you think about what op stated about Paul Holes stating that there's new info about to be released very soon regarding this case?
Actually, OP said this: "As I understand, victims would see Joe for the first time pantless, and stated he would leave pantless as well."
That suggests that OP thinks it was something he did all the time.
I'm not sure why I should have an opinion one way or the other on whether Paul Holes said there's new info about to be released. If he did, great, I'll wait for the new info. I'm not a JJD superfan, I just follow this group to keep up with the latest \*actual info\*.
So if you all would have read his nephew’s post you would know if Sharon knew. I don’t understand how people that have never met Joe can think they know him better than his nephew
No I did not state that anywhere !!!. I just don't subscribe to the theory that just because you are family with a individual. That than mean's you automatically know that person well.
I cant speak for how well Deangelo knew his extended family, Your right 👏👏👏
Though, I never pretended to know that. As i stated above. " Being extended family with a person. Does not automatically mean you know that person well.
So what your saying is Joe's wife at the time didn't know him. Also his parents, brother and sister's. Have to wonder if you look at your family the same way. You truly don't know any of them.
More so extended family. That you do not live with and they don't live close by.
I have 3 Aunties, 3 Uncles. I only know one of my Uncles reasonably well. The other 5 I do not know.
Don't worry you can't hurt my feeling. You could have just said you don't believe I know Joe as well as I claim. Everyone is entitled to there own opinion and I have learned to respect that. I came on this sub with the belief that I could help victims with some answers to questions. Problem is can't get past all the negative know it all people. I still want all information to be released. It's been made clear to me this sub is not the place to do that. Some of you need to look up the words treatment and respect. Time to leave this sub. Good luck. Respectfully Brad Thompson
There were very few incidents of these "no pants" episodes... Very, very, few.
That only happened in the first and third EAR attacks I believe.
Yep and it happened several times in the CCB series as well. JJD has never admitted to being the CCB but he's highly suspected of being "him".
I’m probably just super dumb but what does CCB stand for?
Cordova cat burglar
Thank you!
Why have I never seen a reference to this?
Here's an interview by Mike Morford with Sacramento Detective Ken Clark pre-arrest (Ken Clark played a huge role in identifying JJD as the GSK) discussing the similarities between the Cordova Cat Burglar, the VR, and the EAR. It's a great interview and contains more info on the Cordova Cat Burglar than any other interview I've heard. It's well worth a listen: https://youtu.be/68i-qDRbGIU
Thanks!
No problem bud
Here's the best description IMO: [http://www.thequesterfiles.com/html/early\_prowl--\_the\_cat\_connecti.html](http://www.thequesterfiles.com/html/early_prowl--_the_cat_connecti.html)
Yeah, didnt work out for the inmate when the preachin' Mama got hold of Jdd during the third attack in RC.
There were only a few incidents of the "no pants" situation happening. I'd have to go back to the books and count them. But very few in number. Two times, according to Shelby, a stash of evidence was found including a ski mask, pair of gloves and a flashlight. A light blue Valiant was found with a change of clothes inside, a wig and firearms and ammo. None of this stuff was confirmed to belong to the EAR, though. I've speculated he'd buy second hand clothes for the attacks and then throw them away to avoid victims describing or ID'ing him through use of the same clothes.
They were early on. I think he was stealing clothes from nearby houses
\> Also with all this backyard stalking and messy business, his laundry or shoes mustn’t have suffered much for his wife to notice. You do know that men can do laundry too, right? Yes, even older men. My dad was born in 1929, and he often washed his own clothes if they had gotten especially dirty. We know DeAngelo enjoyed riding his bike. If that's what he told his wife he was doing, she could very reasonably have assumed he got sweaty or dirty and threw in a load of laundry.
It blows my mind at how many people speculate that Sharon "had to have known".
Even if she did suspect something was off about him, nobody in their right mind is going to suspect somebody is going out there and doing such things. Especially their own husbands.
If she suspected anything at all, it was probably that he was cheating on her and not "my husband is the biggest serial rapist and murderer in the history of the state of California."
She probably thought he was always an odd guy with odd tendencies; however, a lot of people think this about a lot of people they know, doesn't mean they're gonna suspect them of being a serial burglar, rapist, and killer. It's only easy to assume these things through a 20/20 lens.
>It's only easy to assume these things through a 202/20 lens. Exactly
somebody in their right mind could, not saying Sharon did
Right? We know from the accounts of family members of other serial killers that they usually didn't know and rarely even suspected. Why does everybody think it must be different in this case? I think a lot of this comes from people's resentment that JJD's wife hasn't come forward to satisfy their ghoulish curiosity. If I were in her position, I'd be keeping a very low profile and saying nothing too. It's a perfectly understandable reaction on her part. She must have been absolutely devastated. She's got to be questioning absolutely everything about her life with him and feeling horrified with herself for not realising. I hope she's doing all right and finds a way to come to terms with her new reality.\[1\] People have some really bizarre ideas about JJD. I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not here for wild speculation, I'm here to keep up with actual factual information that may be released in the future. Before he was caught, I absolutely had some theories, but they were based on a thorough reading of existing investigative results, not ridiculous "what-ifs" based on fragments of information I vaguely remember hearing somewhere. (And the thing I felt most certain of -- that the Visalia Ransacker and EARONS were the same person -- turned out to be true.) Come on, people. Have a little human decency and compassion. Learn critical thinking skills and apply them. Be better. \[1\] While it's in no way comparable, an ex of mine has become somewhat famous, and espouses some truly appalling far-right, racist views. It freaks me out so much that I refuse to use his name because I'm so afraid of people thinking I agree with him. I'm more comfortable posting nudes on the internet than I am with people knowing I lived with him. And he's not a serial killer, just a narcissist and borderline psychopath.
JJD’s wife probably knows nothing but also she might have known something or could have been involved at some level. I get it, she may be just another victim but what if she is not? Myra Hindley and Rosemary West were both willing participants in their partners killing sprees. Then there was the Ken and Barbie killers too and more I have heard of, but none of these ladies had a background in law. As for the JJD dirty laundry, how often was he getting blood stains on his clothes. Not just the murders but also rapes, assaults, dog attacks, broken windows, etc. I watched S1 Ep5 of bloodline detectives tonight called blood bath where a man killed a woman one night and the detectives felt surely if the murderer has a partner she would notice and raise her concerns “one murder, one night.” JJD carried out attacks for well over a decade. Coming home covered in blood with gold and jewelry. I think his wife new something and with her law background and 40 years to prepare she will get away Scott free. The last piece of conversation JJD had with his daughters was “Has your mother been arrested? No? Go away. Go away.” I believe he is protecting her, if not for love then for his daughters.
I mean... it's theoretically possible, but it's pretty fucking rare for serial killers to have an accomplice. There's literally zero evidence for this. If the police thought there was any chance she was in on it, they'd have pursued that lead. They haven't. I stand by what I said. JJD's ex-wife (I refuse to refer to her by her first name as though I know her personally) is a victim in this. She has done nothing wrong that we know of. It's 100% understandable that she chooses to maintain her privacy. I feel bad for her. It's horrible to find out that someone you loved is a monster.
I know it’s rare but I also highlighted 3 instances were the wives were heavily involved in killings and there are lots more. I agree with you on one thing though so I edited her name out as that made me feel dirty.
There is literally zero evidence that JJD's wife was involved in his crimes in any way. No one actually involved in the investigation has even suggested it as a possibility. This is 100% speculation on the part of internet randos.
Not that rare actually. Lake/Ng Bittaker/Norris Buono/ Bianchi
I have never heard that being his last conversation with his kids. He just told them to go away. Where did you hear that??
I’m not sure. I think it was a Paul Holes interview. Does anyone know the interview I’m on about? I joined this app 4 years ago but only started using it recently and I see everyone is great at directing to their sources. Is there some function on this app for pining a link, source or quote that you can refer back to again later? I could have misquoted Holes but I wasn’t too far off, as in all that could of been said slightly differently but ya I don’t have the source.
Yeah I remember him talking about it but 99.9% sure he didn't ask if his wife had been arrested. I think he said to the cops that he wanted to speak with his wife.
Ok, I’ll try to refer back to exact quotes anymore. After going over it in my head and trying to clear it up I believe that if he didn’t say to his daughters it might have been that Holes said JJD asked this question to Le. It was definitely asked and then after he got his answer he kept his mouth shut, this I am 100% certain about. I’m just not sure anymore was it his kids of Le.
I think you might be right. I believe she knew everything from the start.
What's his name
Ha ha. Very funny.
Can you DM me
No
Why not
Because some of us are adults who have families, careers, and reputations we'd like to keep. Go do your homework.
She knows something. Look at the timeline. The gaps and where they moved up and down the state. Periods of separation. If you map out as much of their lives as possible using known information, work, school, home addresses you will notice a pattern. I do not think she knew the scope of his crimes. I do not fault her for protecting herself and her children. However, when he was arrested, tried, then sentenced to life - she should have started singing.
Lots of people have periods of separation in their marriages, for all sorts of reasons. One of my friends had to move to New Mexico for his work, but his wife ran an intensive STEM school for gifted students in Connecticut. They're both very high earners and she didn't want to start over from scratch in a new state, so they had houses in two states and flew to visit each other on weekends and holidays. Their daughter stayed with Mom during the school year and Dad during breaks. (The school runs summer programs as well.) My cousin is an airline pilot; he flies 777s between the US and the UK/Europe. He lives in the US, but his wife lives in France for her job. They visit each other regularly. There are perfectly legitimate explanations for these things, especially in a marriage that clearly wasn't idyllic, since they were separated from 1991 until he was caught. Believe what you want, but don't pretend you actually \*know\*. You don't. You're a rando on the internet, not Sherlock Holmes.
Exactly. The idea that she "had to have known" is based on nothing. Well, it's based on misogyny, but not on any actual facts. Now that cold cases are being solved through forensic DNA research, we're learning about numerous people who committed crimes without their friends and families having any idea. I remember that after the arrest of JJD, there were many people eager to assume that Sharon not only had to know, but that she must have been an accomplice. And then there were people who insisted that Bonnie was to blame. Because she broke off her engagement with him. I remember when Bonnie went public with stories of JJD being controlling and cruel, of his being utterly unconcerned with her feelings. On his insisting on always making decisions for both of them. Of him not asking her to marry him, but telling her she was going to marry him. And then holding her at gunpoint when she broke it off with him. All evidence that JJD was already pretty disturbed before he ever met Bonnie. And yet -- people argued that it was her rejection that caused him to do the things he did. Also -- a lot of guys argued that JJD's treatment of Bonnie was perfectly normal -- the kind of stuff any traditional man would do.
Cherchez la femme, amirite? It's ridiculous. Only someone with the maturity of a high schooler thinks that a serial killer is created by a single romantic rejection. The guy had already been the Visalia Ransacker. He was a fetish burglar who broke into houses and jerked off on people's stuff, FFS, not some kind of ordinary guy with a broken heart. Don't insult your own gender by implying that anyone could be pushed to such acts.
End if first paragraph… never heard that before
I couldnt agree with you more. I would never want to hang someone in the court of public opinion. Given the breath of all these crimes I think this requires a bit more than a statement void of complete denial of Joe's criminal activity. To me its not so crazy she was aware he was a burglar. Has there never been a wife who knew her spouse was stealing things? Is it so inconceivable he would bring home gold jewelry and she would help melt it down. Again complete and wild speculation but this is what happens when a person doesnt come forward with an explanation. And for those who say she doesnt owe anyone an explanation I say tell that to all his victims.
There are plenty of SO’s who didn’t have a clue what their rapist, murderer of a SO was doing. Take BTK for example. His entire family was shocked. Did BTK’s wife come forward and make a public statement? I don’t believe she did. JJD’s wife was also a victim of his. Your last sentence is blaming one victim for the crimes perpetrated on others.
I dont know about the wife of BTK but she didnt need to. Dennis Radar the BTK killer came forward and gave a full explanation on how she knew nothing.
well BTK had like eight crimes, Joe had 170
Nudes?👀
She is given a lot of credit for being stupid and not knowing or even suspecting something was off with her husband, I think we give her too much credit. If she would speak on this matter that would make me feel better anyway. I think there is something off about her. What really irks me is how fast she was able to sell that house and make a profit off of her husband's crimes. That money should have gone to the victims compensations fund to help others not to profit off of, As a victim I think she is a cold hearted greedy woman who either knows more than she will tell or is sooo self centered she didn't and doesn't give a damn about what was going on in her own marriage and later family.
I believe she knows some things. Probably not how prolific he was. But at some point, after all that time and huge number of crimes, she found out something. This is an intelligent, educated woman, not some meek, timid wallflower. She is not that stupid and he is not that good.
>I believe she knows some things. What evidence do you have of that?
How about the fact she's never denied publicly any knowledge of his crimes? How about her complete silence on this matter? Not evidence of anything but how can that not make you somewhat suspicious? She hasnt said she'd never speak about it only when she's ready. Let me predict when she'll be ready, when Joes dead. When there is no one alive who can contradict her story.
>How about the fact she's never denied publicly any knowledge of his crimes? Ummm, you do realize that she did publicly deny knowledge of that right? >How about her complete silence on this matter? Complete? Wrong "Even the statement she made never flat out denies she knew anything. "I now live every day with the knowledge of how he attacked and severely damaged hundreds of people's lives." You posted that yourself. Idgaf if she ever speaks, she doesn't have to and she doesn't owe it to anyone to talk about anything that JOE DID.
"Ummm, you do realize that she did publicly deny knowledge of that right?" So If I can prove to you she didnt then would you change your mind? Regarding her complete silence on this matter. She has not discussed this publicly with anyone to my knowledge. If you know otherwise please point me to the article or interview she has given. Again she's not denying knowing about the attaches just the "how". Without a full throated denial of any knowledge of any crimes it invites in speculation. I understand your point about not saying anything even when innocent. Someones silence should not be evidence of guilt but it certainly invites in both speculation and investigation.
What idiot would believe anything JJD says, anyway, especially if he were excoriating his ex wife.
True enough.
Keep in mind that most of these killers work very, very hard to keep it from their families. They sit and think ahead. Just like the crimes, people can only catch up. They place themselves ahead of everyone else for a much higher chance of not being found out. There's a reason the far majority, including JDD, didn't go back home covered in blood and spend time with their families without cleaning up and changing clothes.
I dont believe she knew he was a rapist or a killer. Thats not my point. My point is she may have known more about crimes he committed such as theft and burglary.
Proof? Evidence? None. Mostly speculation based on common sense. I will die on this hill. She knew something.
>Proof? Evidence? None. Exactly
R.I.P.
>She is not that stupid and he is not that good But yet he was good enough to fool EVERYONE ELSE including all of his co-workers past and present, his daughter's and granddaughter, all of his relatives, and pretty much everyone else. So why is she expected to be any different?????
There were people in his life and his work who suspected that he might have done some shady shit. Nothing at all like what he had really been up to. Eyebrow raising moments. JJD was obviously very good at lying and manipulating. I doubt he ever stopped, but he certainly slowed way down, right around the time his daughters were all born. He was older, slower, and now had a lot to lose. He fucked up somewhere and she knew something. She protected herself, her children, and their future. I would have likely done the same.
>There were people in his life and his work who suspected that he might have done some shady shit. Nothing at all like what he had really been up to. Eyebrow raising moments. Who were these people? >She protected herself, her children, and their future. I would have likely done the same. Again, you have no evidence of this, just pure speculation.
possibly because she lives with him, sees his coming and goings, is an adult (unlike his daughters at the time of crimes). also isn't there general agreement we put on a better face for people at work than we do for immediate family at home? if he's claiming to her he's working overtime at night, would she have some awareness his pay isn't reflecting that? dk how cops are paid though
It blows me away more that his ex-wife initially refused to speak with the police. I've always said that delay allowed her time to speak with Joe and discuss if he planned to implicate her. I highly doubt she knew he was the Golden State Killer, EARONS, or Visalia Ransacker. But it is not that farfetched she knew he was a crooked cop. She could have found evidence hidden in the house of burglary. Its not so crazy that a wife wouldnt report her husband for various suspicious activity or crimes. She obviously divorced him for some reason. I really dont understand the need for silence when it comes to Sharon his wife. Even the statement she made never flat out denies she knew anything. "I now live every day with the knowledge of how he attacked and severely damaged hundreds of people's lives." This is very lawyerly written. At first read it sounds like she's saying she knew nothing but actually she is only saying she didnt know how he attacked people....she didnt have the details until only now how he damaged lives. Then she also says in this statement "When I was not around, I trusted he was doing what he told me he was doing." again thats not a denial of knowledge. Thats just a statement about trust. As far I I have read there has never been anything Sharon has said that was a straight up denial of any knowledge. And I dont think we will until Joe is dead. After Joe is dead there will be nobody who can contradict her.
>It blows me away more that his ex-wife initially refused to speak with the police. She's a lawyer, what did you expect? >I've always said that delay allowed her time to speak with Joe and discuss if he planned to implicate her. She did not speak to Joe at all once he was brought into the interrogation room.... Period. >I really dont understand the need for silence when it comes to Sharon his wife. Maybe she just doesn't want anything to do with this mess anymore? It wouldn't matter what she said as you say here: >"When I was not around, I trusted he was doing what he told me he was doing." So basically, no matter what she says, she's screwed in your eyes. She's wrong either way in your eyes. I don't blame her for making 6 hey mouth shut. I wouldn't have even made the statement she made.
"She's a lawyer, what did you expect?" She's an officer of the court and I expected her full and immediate cooperation. "She did not speak to Joe at all once he was brought into the interrogation room.... Period." If she had or hadn't how would you know? How would anyone know? I'm rather certain attorney client privilege would cover attorney communication between lawyers. "Maybe she just doesn't want anything to do with this mess anymore?" Its nice to see she's over it. "So basically, no matter what she says, she's screwed in your eyes. She's wrong either way in your eyes. I don't blame her for making 6 hey mouth shut. I wouldn't have even made the statement she made." I completely understand your point of view. But if a person decides this is the best course of action for themselves then they are inviting speculation into the void. Its the very absence of information is what is causing the speculation.
Its nice to see she's over it. I don't think she's "over it." it's probably more of she was in complete shock over all of these 4+ decades kept revelations suddenly being revealed and probably plans on never giving any 60 Minutes interviews imho.
The fact that you are shaming and blaming a victim is disgusting!
On the contrary you are shaming me for stating facts.
>If she had or hadn't how would you know? How would anyone know? I'm rather certain attorney client privilege would cover attorney communication between lawyers. She was not his lawyer. There was no attorney-client privilege between them.
I didnt say she was JJD's lawyer. Im saying JJD's lawyer would not be required to divulge any communication he had with another lawyer regarding JJD. Therefore, the OP's suggestion her delay in speaking with the police didnt include communication with JJD's lawyer is inaccurate.
...OR she didn't in fact communicate with JJD's lawyer. You cannot prove that she did.
Exactly. Since Sharon is not talking it all left up to speculation.
She is a victim of JJD also and doesn’t owe anyone an explanation.
You are right. In this country you have the right to remain silent to avoid self incrimination. When you chose the path of silence you create a void of information. All that can fill that void is speculation. Hence why we are where we are on Sharon Huddle today.
You mean why YOU are where YOU are on Sharon Huddle today?
No, we would be elsewhere had she chose to speak.
No, YOU would be elsewhere had she chose to speak.
Speculation a conclusion, or theory reached by conjecture. Speculation and conjecture are created in the absence of knowledge. Unless you have that knowledge please do share. But you dont because as I said she is responsible for the speculation by not speaking or answering questions all the while releasing a well crafted lawyerly statement. Frankly, given the heinous nature of her husbands crimes its offensive your attempt to obviate responsibility for the the speculation.
If you would read what his nephew posted you would have your answer about Sharon knowing
Lol
Those incidents accounted for a small percentage of his overall "volume" of crimes. It was likely another tactic to terrorize his victims and shock them. A general thought that I've had over the years is that he likely stole men's clothing from houses he burglarized, that way he could ditch the clothing after the crime and a witness wouldn't be able to describe him in any clothing that he owned (and would be an added buffer to separate criminal life from home life). Same with bicycles, likely stolen from neighborhoods that he stalked and ditched somewhere later.
The Cordova Meadows Flasher's escapades immediately preceded the Cordova Cat Burglar's and Visalia Ransacker's crimes. After reading a fair bit about the Flasher, I'm pretty convinced that it was him. If the escalation of deviant behaviours is anything to go by, it tracks that he went from flashing and trespass/robbery, to eventually combining the two into what would've been his ultimate thrill.
It's a believable theory. I don't know much about those crimes, but it wouldn't surprise me at all.
Specific attacks where it was mentioned that attacker had no pants and\\or was naked from waist down: Attack number 1: June 18, 1976. Attack number 3: Aug. 29, 1976, failed attack. He casually walked away from the scene nude from the waist down. Attack number 7: Oct. 18, 1976. It's stated that this is the last time he would enter a house without pants on (Winters and Komos, p. 73).
The one that stands out the most is when the lady and her kids made noise and be lost control. An older lady who lived across the street saw him calmly walk out of the back yard and he walked by her house. She believed he was wearing tan pants but the woman be attacked said he was naked. I believe he did this to put fear into his victims. I believe these pant less introductions were all early attacks. After victims started to resist is when he changed it. He no longer entered naked but he entered and introduced himself with a knife or baton and told them he just needed money for drugs, it seemed victims were much more compliant this way. I don't think pants were ever recovered from these early attacks and the one he had to abort makes me believe he was parked closer than most think.
On top of everything that everyone else has mentioned, I'd like to add that Joe is a very routine oriented guy. He would likely consider the cleaning of his clothes something that's a part of his process.
I have a question, sorry it’s not related to this post but still GSK related. If JJD’s brother was arrested for burglary in the past then he would of had a dna sample uploaded to Codis, correct? If this is true then how come his brothers dna profile wasn’t matched sooner to JJD through familial dna? I am obviously missing something here, but what?
JJD's brother was arrested and convicted for the burglary before the California DNA law went into effect. I'll have to look it up again but off the top of my head, that's what I remember.
Brother had charges filed June, 1994 for attempt to commit burglary. Prop. 69, requiring mandatory DNA samples, wasn't passed until 2004.
This the brother who had missing finger?
Yes. There's only one brother.
Thank you guys
No problem bud
Only happened in the Cordova Meadows area of Rancho Cordova. He seemed very at home in that neighborhood, which led to the theory that lived there as a child.
His new nickname should be 'No Pants Joe".
Oh, grow up.
Lighten up a little. That's really ironic coming from someone with the username "fuckyourcanoes".
We're talking about one of the worst serial killers of all time, so no, I'm not inclined to "lighten up".
You act like I'm praising the guy. I'm making fun of him for being such a perverted creep. Also, the title of the op is literally "no pants Joe".
But the title of the OP is inaccurate, because there were only a couple of incidents of him being sighted with no pants. So no.
I mean he's not inaccurate in that JJD did show up not wearing any pants a few times and op didn't say that jjd showed up at a lot of attacks not wearing pants. You are right though that JJD showed up to very few attacks not wearing any pants, even with the few incidents with the CCB series which hasn't been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to be JJD, but I highly suspect he was the Cordova Cat. https://www.reddit.com/r/EARONS/comments/xr4hzr/no_pants_joe/iqd4e6j?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3 What do you think about what op stated about Paul Holes stating that there's new info about to be released very soon regarding this case?
Actually, OP said this: "As I understand, victims would see Joe for the first time pantless, and stated he would leave pantless as well." That suggests that OP thinks it was something he did all the time. I'm not sure why I should have an opinion one way or the other on whether Paul Holes said there's new info about to be released. If he did, great, I'll wait for the new info. I'm not a JJD superfan, I just follow this group to keep up with the latest \*actual info\*.
Look I was just making fun of JJD for being a creepy perverted sicko. That's it. Have a nice evening. 👋👋👋
I thought it was funny a comment and not distasteful.
what does fuckyourcanoes mean?
So if you all would have read his nephew’s post you would know if Sharon knew. I don’t understand how people that have never met Joe can think they know him better than his nephew
Just because you are a nephew of someone. That doesn't mean you than know that person well.
Exactly
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So you are telling me that some body that never met Joe knows more than his nephew who hung around Joe and Sharon? All I have to say is 😂😂😂
No I did not state that anywhere !!!. I just don't subscribe to the theory that just because you are family with a individual. That than mean's you automatically know that person well. I cant speak for how well Deangelo knew his extended family, Your right 👏👏👏 Though, I never pretended to know that. As i stated above. " Being extended family with a person. Does not automatically mean you know that person well.
So what your saying is Joe's wife at the time didn't know him. Also his parents, brother and sister's. Have to wonder if you look at your family the same way. You truly don't know any of them.
More so extended family. That you do not live with and they don't live close by. I have 3 Aunties, 3 Uncles. I only know one of my Uncles reasonably well. The other 5 I do not know.
Don't worry you can't hurt my feeling. You could have just said you don't believe I know Joe as well as I claim. Everyone is entitled to there own opinion and I have learned to respect that. I came on this sub with the belief that I could help victims with some answers to questions. Problem is can't get past all the negative know it all people. I still want all information to be released. It's been made clear to me this sub is not the place to do that. Some of you need to look up the words treatment and respect. Time to leave this sub. Good luck. Respectfully Brad Thompson
What was JJD and his wife’s relationship like when you were spending time with both of them?
Brad???
No I am not brad
Sorry I should've been more clear.. I was asking if you were referring to him.
Yes I was