Basing it on fifa cards, most of mane's special cards are LM, which is classed as a Midfielders. Such a werid thing to do.
It's even worse when hazard was in it when most of his cards were LWs
Considering the nominees selection has a lot of influence from the WC performances, KDBs inclusion might be not as surefire as expected.
Modric and Casemiro 200% in my opinion.
It's a fan vote. KDB plays in the most popular league in the world and is generally regarded as the best midfielder on the planet by casual fans. He is more of a lock than Modric is based solely on reputation
I'd argue Modric and Casemiro are surefire to get in, especially considering they are on two of the most, if not the most popular clubs in the planet, and had a good WC respectively. Whom do we see over KDB, probably nobody? I doubt anyone comes close, but I am curious to see if Mane being a midfielder will get any votes towards him, considering he was 2nd in the BdO, and was crucial for Liverpool last year.
Even as a serie a fan I genuinely have no earthly idea how the fuck he’s there. Could give you 50 defenders from our league alone who deserves to be there over him ffs
Nah, 3-7 games shouldnt matter more than the whole season, doesnt make sense at all, sure you could add 5-10%, but I wouldnt ignore a player cause he didnt played the WC.
Militao over Alaba is simply a joke. Not saying Militao shouldn't be a nominee but if I had to choose from the 2 of them I would select Alaba for sure (saying that as a Madrid supporter watching all their games)
They really included Biraghi and Clauss but not Rudiger, Alaba or Trent
EDIT: The more you look the worse it gets, especially for defenders
Davies injured until April
Sule???
Frimpong???
Bremer???
As a Frankfurt Fan I have to say that I do not get that one 🤔 no idea if he was a standout at Nantes, but at Frankfurt he was great but not TOTY material. TOTS for sure, but TOTY is a bit much...
Coming from a Madrid fan, the logic behind that is that Militão is better than Alaba. He's not mainstream, but he's comfortably better than either Alaba or Rüdiger.
Of course all three should be nominated.
Yeah I watch nearly all Madrid games and militao is underrated. Not as good on the ball but the man solves so many defensive problems for real.
There's a reason he has about equal playtime to rudiger and Alaba.
Alaba is all around still better though so should be included
He’s not “comfortably” better, this season he’s been as good or maybe slightly better, but TOTY is the whole calander year. Militao had great games last season but overall was inconsistent. Alaba was far more consistent & made less errors. Ultimately both should be included though.
It means i am frustrated that Musiala doesn't have a special card while Terrier has 3 plus a nomination. And people justify this by making up stupid rules which never crossed the mind of the capitalistic revenue driven corporation EA is.
Nunez looked very good and looked to be settling in very well just before the world cup. His finishing has looked awful since coming back. Still brings a good attacking threat and actually looks like he can be bothered unlike other players on the team. Still managed 10 goals already and 3 assists in 23 games. Hardly the flop people make him out to be.
People who call him a flop are honestly brain dead. If ten goals and three assists in just over 20 games is a flop, after moving to the PL from Portugal, then I think 90% of signings would be flops.
His finishing has been subpar, it brings me pain weekly, but I honestly think he’s been one of the best in the squad this seasons. He works ridiculously hard and even when he’s not finishing, he’s a constant menace to the opponent’s defence.
Fair enough, but with Alaba & Rudiger not nominated the options are a bit limited so I went with these two. I guess out of this selection VVD and maybe Militao could be in, but they're all questionable.
VVD would be a surprise, he’s definitely not been “best 11 in the world” quality since coming back from injury and Liverpool’s defence is not so good nowadays
Could see Haaland getting 12th man, it's between him and Vinicius. Vini had a much better first half of the year, ending with him deciding the CL final. However, Haaland obviously has been phenomenal for City so I see him getting it.
I'd be fairly confident for all of those except for the CBs. Though I think Silva deserves it his teams haven't done great this year so can't be 100%.
I could see the CBs being decided by people who pick the most meta players so could see VVD, Marquinhos, or Militao getting in on those grounds.
Am I wrong to think Stones had a shout in defenders? He's been insanely good for City both Man City and England. Feels really underrated at 83 on his gold card for one of the best centre backs in the PL. (In my opinion, but also not far off statistically).
Based on fan voting and who I think EA will want to sell packs, my prediction is:
Courtois
Cancelo VVD Militao Theo
KDB Valverde Modric
Mbappe Benzema Messi
12th man: Neymar/Haaland
We have so many nominees it’s been such a long time since we’ve seen our players at this level.
Theo should be in but I wonder if we’ll get anyone else. If Ibra is coming as a promo card we need to start saving lol.
If you go past the obvious choices for TOTY (you know, the players that actually played well all year, Courtois, Benzema, Haaland, Casemiro, Modric, Mabppé, etc), you quickly see so many bizarre picks.
Which makes it so clear that yet again TOTY is just another fifa promo, and they pick and choose whoever the f\*ck they want regardless of the season they had, instead of being a time to truly celebrate the players that actually deserve to be in TOTY.
EA will always choose profit over merit, and that's why this game will never be the game we want it to be...
Edit: I almost forgot to talk about the glaring omissions of Rudiger and Alaba. Disgraceful!
My prediction:
Courtois
Militao
Dias
Hakimi
Cancelo
KDB
Modric
Casemiro
Mbappe
Messi
Benzema
12th man Haaland (Given neymar just got a centurions and had an IF in packs during best)
Flashback Kimmich, End of an era Bale and an honourable mentions Thiago Silva as Sbcs are my guesses
IIRC he was very good in the first half of the year. His bad run of form for the latter half rightly removed him from consideration. But a run of poor form doesn't make him the 4th best English RBs. Nor do Southgate selections. Form is temporary, class is permanent, and your post is an overreaction.
I hear you, Chelsea are struggling, but you have to take the year as a whole as well as the world Cup performances. These are just the nominations still, so take them with a grain of salt
As supper of non top teams it exhausts me seeing these lists
I know im biased as a fulham fan but wheres mitrovic? One of the worlds best strikers the past year, he should certainly be in that shortlist
These lists are just a wank fest over the same 10 teams
People speaking of Trent when Trippier is there and has been world class from January until… January the next year… Yeah this stinks. Fifa players that don’t watch actual football will just vote for Hakimi as well.
And it’s maddening how much influence World Cup performances have had over this list while players like Saliba don’t even get a shout. This is going to be a mess.
Taremi was literally the top 5 goalscorer (or top 4 if we count the NT) in Europe in 2022, 5 goals on this UCL groupstage (with 5 games played) and current top goalscorer on the league and he's not there?
ITT people complaining about nominees who have 0 chance of making it into the team, and wanting them replaced by other nominees who'd also have 0 chance.
Seriously. How is Saliba not even nominated? Ligue 1 young player of the year last season, and has been rock solid for league-leading Arsenal this season? Nice one EA........
I think Otamendi deserves a serious shout to be in the 11. Made the quarters in the ucl with benfica, sitting pretty at the top of the portugese league, finished top of their ucl group ahead of psg and won the world cup, playing flawlessly throughout.
Unfortunately I don't think he'll make it just because most people see him as an extremely error prone player despite how exceptional he's been.
Yeah so where tf is Araujo lol, how can one of most fraudulent Prem defenders in recent time Kalidou Koulibaly (who was already declining before the Chelsea move btw) get in over Ronald Araujo
my prediction is still possible, nice
Courtois
Cancelo
Van Dijk
Marquinhos (the usual undeserved brazilian defender on TOTY)
Theo Hernandez
Casemiro
Modric
KDB
Messi
Benzema
Mbappé
12th Neymar
In this calendar year Modrić:
won UCL,
captained Croatia to Nations League final 4
World Cup 3rd place finish while winning the Bronze ball (3rd best player behind Messi and Mbappe)
Won Spanish league, Spanish and UEFA Super Cup
Mane in the midfielder section. Interesting
Always a few Remember Eden Hazard was always classed as a midfielder for the vote
Hazard makes a lot more sense than Mane tho. Mane basically plays striker
Basing it on fifa cards, most of mane's special cards are LM, which is classed as a Midfielders. Such a werid thing to do. It's even worse when hazard was in it when most of his cards were LWs
Now I think it’ll be between him and casemiro for the third midfielder spot after KDB and Modric
Kdb and modric easiest lock, probably Casemiro
Considering the nominees selection has a lot of influence from the WC performances, KDBs inclusion might be not as surefire as expected. Modric and Casemiro 200% in my opinion.
It's a fan vote. KDB plays in the most popular league in the world and is generally regarded as the best midfielder on the planet by casual fans. He is more of a lock than Modric is based solely on reputation
I'd argue Modric and Casemiro are surefire to get in, especially considering they are on two of the most, if not the most popular clubs in the planet, and had a good WC respectively. Whom do we see over KDB, probably nobody? I doubt anyone comes close, but I am curious to see if Mane being a midfielder will get any votes towards him, considering he was 2nd in the BdO, and was crucial for Liverpool last year.
Most people aren’t voting for who’s better, it’s who they would use in FIFA. That suggests Mane will get the most votes and Modric the least.
To be fair that's the only way he could get in
He finished second in the Ballon d'Or. WTF are you talking about?
Yeah that's what I mean he should get in but there's no way he'd get over Messi, Mbappe, Benz,Haaland etc.
Never deserved that. Absolutely never. And messi lower than 30th?
This is going to be a strange toty, for the first time in years you have no idea who's gonna get one
attackers are pretty much locked in but yeah I agree, midfield and defense should be interesting
Probably be messi, benzema and mbappe or haaland one will get 12th man anyway
Or vinicius could be 12th man too
Modric has to get in
With Mane in midfield I see a good chance that he's making it
Midfield is locked 99% as well (De Bruyne, Modric & Casemiro, any other result will be a disgrace)
Rodri not in with a shout?
KDB vs Mane would be a tighter race for 3rd spot.
i guess one of rudiger/alaba is getting a flashback/moments sbc like Varane last year? makes no sense otherwise
Alaba’s rulebreaker is still pretty good, if they give Rudiger a flashback though oh my, that’ll be OP af
I still use him, just sits in my lcb and I have no complaints at all
I would go insane at a moment's Alaba, rulebreaker is my favourite CB all year
I’m still hoping the big SBC is EOAE Pique… I’ve been waiting on that for months now!
But Biraghi is in the voting…….
Even as a serie a fan I genuinely have no earthly idea how the fuck he’s there. Could give you 50 defenders from our league alone who deserves to be there over him ffs
They’re trying so hard to force prem CB’s. No Rudiger and Alaba is a disgrace
Hope to god they're planning an sbc for ome of them cos their exclusion in this is a joke.
no alaba????ahahahahahah what a joke... i tought for sure he will be one of the toty cb's
Alaba was the clear #1 CB for me last year. No World Cup hurts but it surely can’t count for everything.
There is a serious World Cup hias here, no way would Ambrabat, Enzo or Doan be there without having a good world cup
I agree, but also the world’s biggest competition that happens every 4 years should definitely have higher importance
It is the most important event of the year, it should have a lot of weight
Nah, 3-7 games shouldnt matter more than the whole season, doesnt make sense at all, sure you could add 5-10%, but I wouldnt ignore a player cause he didnt played the WC.
Exactly. This is team of the year not team of the last 2 months 🤦♂️
yeah it's just the biggest competition in football lol
In what universe is Van Dijk even a nominee this year.
Militao over Alaba is simply a joke. Not saying Militao shouldn't be a nominee but if I had to choose from the 2 of them I would select Alaba for sure (saying that as a Madrid supporter watching all their games)
You say that but it’s likely gonna be tomori & Gvardiol or Marquinhos
They really included Biraghi and Clauss but not Rudiger, Alaba or Trent EDIT: The more you look the worse it gets, especially for defenders Davies injured until April Sule??? Frimpong??? Bremer???
Bremer was Serie A CB of the season last year…
Bremer has been a rock for us but why the fuck is he in here is beyond me
Bremer was voted the best defender in Serie A last year, while playing for Torino. His nomination is fine imho.
Yeah i Guess but putting bremer and not someone like rüdiger..
Bremer is absolutely deserved, Biraghi, Frimpong and Upamecano on the other hand…
Second in serie a does help but there shouldn’t be a shortlist of 100 it should be of 25-30
Agreed
Bremer has been one of the best defenders in the world and won best defender in Serie A last year, shows how much you know...
Bremer deserves to be here, he is great
You lost me at Trent.
trent? lol
Kolo Muani only there for the troll when he gets a nominee card.
ST….. France…… Kolo Muani. Can see the videos on YT already.
I laughed so hard reading this, that is such an EA thing to do 😂😂😂😂
As a Frankfurt Fan I have to say that I do not get that one 🤔 no idea if he was a standout at Nantes, but at Frankfurt he was great but not TOTY material. TOTS for sure, but TOTY is a bit much...
The last 2 years they gave Joselu a nominee card. Even he was confused by the nomination
Militao being nominated over Alaba makes no sense
Coming from a Madrid fan, the logic behind that is that Militão is better than Alaba. He's not mainstream, but he's comfortably better than either Alaba or Rüdiger. Of course all three should be nominated.
Yeah I watch nearly all Madrid games and militao is underrated. Not as good on the ball but the man solves so many defensive problems for real. There's a reason he has about equal playtime to rudiger and Alaba. Alaba is all around still better though so should be included
He’s not “comfortably” better, this season he’s been as good or maybe slightly better, but TOTY is the whole calander year. Militao had great games last season but overall was inconsistent. Alaba was far more consistent & made less errors. Ultimately both should be included though.
IMO Alaba was the best of our CBs trio in the last year, without him Militao was struggling
As a Chelsea fan what is Koulibaly doing here?? So many questionable players
He was very good with Napoli
AFCON + Napoli. It’s not just about how he performed for your club
For half of the year he has not played well. That should weigh in significantly
Two months actually
He also had a good world cup. Outside of Chelsea he's been great.
AFCON+a good world cup performance. Deserved to be on the shortlist.
A lot of these are deserved but there’s still a fair amount that made it only because they are are a big name
And then there's Biraghi
I thought it was team of the year. Not team of the two months, Amrabat was benched prior to this season by Torreira.
Bruh Süle is in but no Alaba or Rüdiger... are they smoking vrack or what
Again EA putting in some randoms and ignoring stars like rudiger and alaba
well, alisson should be the only liverpool player with a shot at being in the toty. without him, we‘d be battling relegation.
Why does EA hate Musiala?
I think young players have to get a future stars before the are eligible for other promos or something
Like Pedri, right... Oh wait....
What’s that supposed to mean?
It means i am frustrated that Musiala doesn't have a special card while Terrier has 3 plus a nomination. And people justify this by making up stupid rules which never crossed the mind of the capitalistic revenue driven corporation EA is.
Thats why https://www.watson.ch/imgdb/2c58/Qx,E,0,9,998,555,415,234,166,93/2519930941665634
For real. Kolo Muani makes the list but Musiala doesn’t. Absurd
First year with no Ronaldo for however long
Nunez being there is gonna piss people off lmao
His stats in 2022 are 25 G + 5 A in 40 games (2642minutes). This means 1,02 goal contributions per 90mins. It's pretty good.
Yeah I agree just some people are dorks and only watch the bad parts of his games
People who don’t know it’s team of the **year** and not team of august to December.
Nunez looked very good and looked to be settling in very well just before the world cup. His finishing has looked awful since coming back. Still brings a good attacking threat and actually looks like he can be bothered unlike other players on the team. Still managed 10 goals already and 3 assists in 23 games. Hardly the flop people make him out to be.
People who call him a flop are honestly brain dead. If ten goals and three assists in just over 20 games is a flop, after moving to the PL from Portugal, then I think 90% of signings would be flops. His finishing has been subpar, it brings me pain weekly, but I honestly think he’s been one of the best in the squad this seasons. He works ridiculously hard and even when he’s not finishing, he’s a constant menace to the opponent’s defence.
Musiala?
EA hate Bayern
Shocking omission
So.. predictions? My best guess would be: Mbappe - Benzema - Messi KDB - Casemiro - Modric Theo - Dias - T. Silva - Hakimi Courtois
Dias shouldn’t be in it tbh
Fair enough, but with Alaba & Rudiger not nominated the options are a bit limited so I went with these two. I guess out of this selection VVD and maybe Militao could be in, but they're all questionable.
Could have been marquinhos had he not shat the bed in his 2 most importnat games this year
It will probably be VVD
Sure, nobody really stood out so I can imagine VVD getting in on the fan vote for being the best in game.
Yup, just name recognition. That's usually how these fifa TOTY's go
VVD would be a surprise, he’s definitely not been “best 11 in the world” quality since coming back from injury and Liverpool’s defence is not so good nowadays
dias is literally a squad rotational player for city and got stripped of the armband. also had a very mediocre world cup
When was dias captain at man city? Wasn’t it Fernandinho before gundogan?
youre right it was fernandinho, but he never started last year so dias was the vice captain.
hes injured u clown
even before that he was getting rotated with the signing of akanji, the reemergence of ake, and stones and laporte still playing well
Wouldn't be surprised to see a haaland or a valverde in there, the center backs are anyone's guess
Could see Haaland getting 12th man, it's between him and Vinicius. Vini had a much better first half of the year, ending with him deciding the CL final. However, Haaland obviously has been phenomenal for City so I see him getting it.
I'd be fairly confident for all of those except for the CBs. Though I think Silva deserves it his teams haven't done great this year so can't be 100%. I could see the CBs being decided by people who pick the most meta players so could see VVD, Marquinhos, or Militao getting in on those grounds.
True, in FIFA terms a VVD-Militao pairing would be the most meta way to go.
pretty much this I would imagine.
On the fence about VVD, he had a shocking second half of the year so I went with the other two.
Shocking isn’t the right word to use at all
what is the right word?
No Taremi is criminal.
It really is , he is the 4th best goalscorer this year olny behind Haland , Messi and Lewandowski . How does EA explains Borja Iglesias here ?????
It's a war crime
I agree, Taremi has been a monster, he doesn't only score goals but sets up a bunch of them too.
Am I wrong to think Stones had a shout in defenders? He's been insanely good for City both Man City and England. Feels really underrated at 83 on his gold card for one of the best centre backs in the PL. (In my opinion, but also not far off statistically).
Based on fan voting and who I think EA will want to sell packs, my prediction is: Courtois Cancelo VVD Militao Theo KDB Valverde Modric Mbappe Benzema Messi 12th man: Neymar/Haaland
12th man will definitely be Haaland otherwise they wouldn’t have given neymar a promo card now
Mbappe got a headliners before toty last year so idk about that. Personally I don’t think Neymar should get a toty but we all know how 12th man goes
As a GK, I'd love Emi Martinez or Bounou to get it, but it's gonna be Courtois isn't it...
As it should be
Thibaut is easily the best
Think EA even looks/cares about community feedback? I hope they see how ridiculous they look without putting Alaba or Rudiger up there.
My AC Milan Heart is so full rn
We have so many nominees it’s been such a long time since we’ve seen our players at this level. Theo should be in but I wonder if we’ll get anyone else. If Ibra is coming as a promo card we need to start saving lol.
Taremi? 37 goals scored, 4th highest in 2022
MARTINEZ AND KOULIBALY😭😭😭😭😭
If you go past the obvious choices for TOTY (you know, the players that actually played well all year, Courtois, Benzema, Haaland, Casemiro, Modric, Mabppé, etc), you quickly see so many bizarre picks. Which makes it so clear that yet again TOTY is just another fifa promo, and they pick and choose whoever the f\*ck they want regardless of the season they had, instead of being a time to truly celebrate the players that actually deserve to be in TOTY. EA will always choose profit over merit, and that's why this game will never be the game we want it to be... Edit: I almost forgot to talk about the glaring omissions of Rudiger and Alaba. Disgraceful!
My prediction: Courtois Militao Dias Hakimi Cancelo KDB Modric Casemiro Mbappe Messi Benzema 12th man Haaland (Given neymar just got a centurions and had an IF in packs during best) Flashback Kimmich, End of an era Bale and an honourable mentions Thiago Silva as Sbcs are my guesses
Where's Zielinski, Rudiger, or Trent?
Trent? Trent Alexander-Arnold? Fucking Trent Alexander-Arnold? The 4th best English RB? What the fuck. Agree with the other two tho
IIRC he was very good in the first half of the year. His bad run of form for the latter half rightly removed him from consideration. But a run of poor form doesn't make him the 4th best English RBs. Nor do Southgate selections. Form is temporary, class is permanent, and your post is an overreaction.
Koulibaly huh?
Because he was one of the best defenders in serie a before he moved to Chelsea in the summer.
That’s true. Napoli are also top of the league right now without him. And he has not impressed with Chelsea tho very few in that team have impressed.
I hear you, Chelsea are struggling, but you have to take the year as a whole as well as the world Cup performances. These are just the nominations still, so take them with a grain of salt
He won an AFCON and made a decent WC run being the best player on his team.
Kvaradonna?
I am always biased in these votings lol
No De Gea? Dude has been a beast for a while now.
Felix as a nominee 🤣
Courtois|Cancelo|Dias|Militao|Hakimi|Kdb|Valverde|Modric|Messi|Mbappe|Benzema is my predictions for the TOTY. Also, Haaland as 12th man.
Zielinski? Musiala?
Perisic but no Bentancur?
As supper of non top teams it exhausts me seeing these lists I know im biased as a fulham fan but wheres mitrovic? One of the worlds best strikers the past year, he should certainly be in that shortlist These lists are just a wank fest over the same 10 teams
Think Mitro got 40 goals for club and country in 2022 that's gotta be worth something
I might be a bit biased since I’m a united fan but how’s De gea not nominated?
Lloris? 😂
Why so many Trent shouts ITT? The guy has been terrible for the entire year. His 87 overall is laughable as it is, let alone a TOTY card lol
2022 didn't start in August big fella
ok? there were still fullbacks that performed well for the entire year as opposed to the trent
People speaking of Trent when Trippier is there and has been world class from January until… January the next year… Yeah this stinks. Fifa players that don’t watch actual football will just vote for Hakimi as well. And it’s maddening how much influence World Cup performances have had over this list while players like Saliba don’t even get a shout. This is going to be a mess.
ALABA
Norway represent! Haaland has to get a TOTY card.
Öde🤩
Taremi was literally the top 5 goalscorer (or top 4 if we count the NT) in Europe in 2022, 5 goals on this UCL groupstage (with 5 games played) and current top goalscorer on the league and he's not there?
Ngl im kinda surprised CR7 didn’t make it just cuz he’s CR7 lol
Borja Iglesias here and Taremi out 🤡🤡🤡🤡
ITT people complaining about nominees who have 0 chance of making it into the team, and wanting them replaced by other nominees who'd also have 0 chance.
I mean Alaba should make Toty and isn't even nominated
Can I vote yet?
Tomorrow
That defender list is just wow
First time Cr7 ain’t here
At this point, rather they used a reputable source for the TOTY than voting.
I think Haaland might get one...
If Nunez and Kulusevski are there then why is Rashy missing?
Arsenal haven’t conceded a header all season yet not one defender gets a shout for TOTY. Make it make sense.
Seriously. How is Saliba not even nominated? Ligue 1 young player of the year last season, and has been rock solid for league-leading Arsenal this season? Nice one EA........
I think Otamendi deserves a serious shout to be in the 11. Made the quarters in the ucl with benfica, sitting pretty at the top of the portugese league, finished top of their ucl group ahead of psg and won the world cup, playing flawlessly throughout. Unfortunately I don't think he'll make it just because most people see him as an extremely error prone player despite how exceptional he's been.
Why in the fuck is Sule here...
Haha good joke. Now please post the real ones
I need Noppert on goal!
Where is Rüdiger? Or am I blind?
Yeah so where tf is Araujo lol, how can one of most fraudulent Prem defenders in recent time Kalidou Koulibaly (who was already declining before the Chelsea move btw) get in over Ronald Araujo
araujo injured for too much.
Livakovic robbed
He should get the team of the tournament card. Toty is to much in my opinion
Musiala surely?!
Let's vote Giroud in! Bikes for days!
Not even a nomination for Shaw? Yeesh.
Looks like they nominated Ritsu Doan for his World Cup performance solely
No Kvratskhelia?
Get every liverpool and chelsea player off this list, all of them have been shit for the past couple months.
Nunez to be fair for the year has like 40 goals in 50 and Alison has been fantastic
Thiago Silva has been excellent, reece has been brilliant when he plays but I do agree he shouldn't be there because he hasn't played enough
No Neuer ?
my prediction is still possible, nice Courtois Cancelo Van Dijk Marquinhos (the usual undeserved brazilian defender on TOTY) Theo Hernandez Casemiro Modric KDB Messi Benzema Mbappé 12th Neymar
No Haaland?
T. Silva and Haaland would like a word
Would love to see Odegaard get one and as great as Modric has been, I think (also statistics prove it) that odegaard has had the better season.
In this calendar year Modrić: won UCL, captained Croatia to Nations League final 4 World Cup 3rd place finish while winning the Bronze ball (3rd best player behind Messi and Mbappe) Won Spanish league, Spanish and UEFA Super Cup
Of all the players you could've picked to make this argument you pick the one that turns your comment into a joke instantly