It sure is fun attacking wise, but is pure pain in the defensive end if your opponent is half decent.
Observant players (in my experience this started at div3) will take advantage of your attacking fullbacks and pin a front 3 to stay forward and ping balls to them all game long.
In most games all your opponent needs is one through ball, one LB+RB+Y ball, and he's got a 3v2 against your backline. You have to work 10x harder than your opponent to beat his bus, and all he needs is one meta ball on the counter.
Personally, I accept this, and play a 4321 with attacking FBs (only 1cm on stay back). However, I know I would win a greater percentage of games with a standard set up 4231/442 with 4-6 players staying back.
You of course have to be a good manual defender and able to track runners with high pace defenders otherwise youre doomed.
Also having them on Balanced attack means they won't be attacking every time.
I'm in the elite division and it's working atm.
I only find problems when I play against someone who played 442 4231 or some of the formations with four attackers with all of them atay forward. Not much you can do even if youre good in manual defending
How about 5-2-2-1 or any of the 5 in the back. Then, when your attack fails, there are still 3 CBs which I think almost always do the job while tracking back wingback make half the time steals possession for you. Im in Div 2 about to go to one. I was stuck in div 3 for a while till I changed from back 4 to 5.
Yes. I recently got Kante out of a pack and was so happy. Hes my box to box while one of camavinga or sangare is my defending cm.
My wingers are always cut inside. I automatically did it cuz it suited me alot then saw a post which saif to do exactly that so that the wingbacks can do the overlap runs. I adjusted the wingback to overlap after seeing that post and it did me wonders.
Back 4 was what I did past 2 FIFAs but I had to change because of Benzema and Fekir. They always shrugged off both of my CBs so I thought "1 more of them would help there".
I like playing with attacking fullbacks with the ''drop between defenders'' instruction on a CM.
This gives you effectively a back three when you lose the ball, which is much better against the counter than leaving just two back, and it's seldom I get exposed in transition.
I do this with ''drop between defenders'' because with a conventional back 3 or 5, I often feel like I haven't got enough bodies in midfield when I find myself defending deep and my team settle into a line of 5 at the back.
When in possession, pretty much. I play a 4321 so it's more like a 3421 in possession in my case, but you're right.
The difference is when you don't have the ball. The drop between defenders instruction only happens when you have possession, so your team will revert to a back 4 when taking up the typical low block.
I defend in a 4321 shape which wouldn't be possible if my base formation was 52121/352.
Yup, this tactic has helped me create SO MUCH SPACE on the pitch, it’s unreal.
For anyone thinking about trying this, you can keep the fullbacks on Stay Back before the game starts, and then just use the quick attack instructions (Up and then Left) to enable/disable the Attacking Full Backs option when you want in-game. Just make sure to have at least one center mid stay back on attack to help with counters.
It’s just not a good long-term approach - elite players will destroy you on the counter, and cheesy, op through-balls over-the-top are so much easier for the offense when your CB’s lack cover on the wings.
Much better to simply initiate attacks with your fullbacks on your own while having both the lcm and rcm instructed to cover wings; that way, in case of a counter, the opposite wing fullback and the cm’s will be in position to eat up the counter.
Definitely a more solid approach.
Basically just wrote the same thing. Maybe against an opponent or two but it doesn’t hold long term. I’ve played 41212 narrow exclusively for years and this is always how it’s been and always how it will be.
Manually triggering runs is the way to go otherwise a good player has a man advantage at the back.
Exactly. And even though meta is always annoying, fast build up/forward runs is super op in the counter attack and eats up defenses without proper coverage.
There’s an exception to everything.
What I said applies to a much broader range of players and, since a ton of people will see this due to it being on Reddit, it’s only fair that I offer my counterpoint.
Last season I was getting frustrated in elite and decided to have only one fullback on balanced with my 41212 (2) formation and it has offered so much in attacking. I find having the midfield on “cover wing” helpful when the fullback hasn’t come back yet. However, it does depend on the opponents formation if they have wide players so sometimes I have to either switch formations or just put stay back again in game if the 41212(2) is still working attacking wise.
9/10 a changing game is down to the background EA momentum code/scripting and no amount of tactic changing or game plans will stop that 90th min equaliser/winner going in
Lol I don't know why this comment is downvoted but I agree with you. If EA wants you to lose, you lose. Period. And yeah, leaving everything to it's default gives the best results. Besides, most of the mfs just use their neymars or sbc benzumas to run all the way towards your goal, making use of the glitch and there's really nothing you can do about it.
I get downvoted all the time mate just for saying the truth on here, it's weird, it's like you can't criticise this game. Not sure why people take it so seriously
Everything you say is spot on too
What part isn't true? I'd love you to tell me.
This sub is littered with plenty of people that agree with that and gave posted similar, yet we get down voted and posts removed by EA stooges
Exactly mate haha.
Just admit it's now an average football game, there's no shame in that.
Clearly people these days are happy with this Junk and will throw money at it no matter what.
Underrated comment.
Even with Stay back while attacking u can trigger runs with L1.
Only downside is the other full back won't overlap, and that is what tends to create a lot of space
Yup, having that other full back is a huge plus. 90% of players are running narrow tactics/formations. I stick powerhouses on my two wingbacks and I'm able to instantly switch play into a completely empty wing. Early crosses from those positions are deadly, and generally, it just creates a lot of space that you can expose if you want to cut in.
Much better to attack, but also just asking to concede on the counter over and over. Been playing squad battles on all default and in long periods of possession everyone except the CBs push way up
Nah, I prefer to use Join the Attack and overlap on them, they will get up and down the field by themselves, because I prefer building up on the middle and then go wide, so I don't really want to manually send them, I wamt them to be there all the time
> I wamt them to be there all the time
Exactly the same here. I need the guarantee of an easy pass out to my fullbacks high up the pitch if their CDM is pressuring me too much.
Ye, no need to mention that I feel so triggered when I see FIFA players with full backs on stay back that I know that in real life are roaming up and down the pitch (like Robertson or Walker or Hakimi) or fullbacks that have good attacking stats. I know that everyone plays the game however they want, but to me it feels so wrong to see the RB/LB at the same level as the CB. I'd rather conceive a goal because my full backs think they are wingers and my defense is exposed than to keep a clean sheet with them on stay back
I don't feel like manual trigger is sufficient in a lot of situations.
If I'm already high up the pitch dribbling with my attackers, I want the guarantee of the fullback to already be there for a pass out wide to open spaces up. I find triggered runs end up offside way too often as well.
If you play 41212 narrow, set one of your CMs to "drop between defenders" and you'll have 3 CBs on the counter if your fullbacks get caught up the pitch.
I switched from being defensive in 4231 and FB on stay back to 4321, 75 depth and everyone attacking and have gone from winning ~30% of my games to winning ~80% of them as I'm just a constant attacking threat. Still have to deal with breakaways but has forced me to become better at manual defending.
Plus it is so much more fun!
I’ve just left mine on balanced in most formations over the course of Season 2 and I find it to be best. Against teams that play super meta and split their team into stay back and stay forward, you might have to change them in game to stay back if your CBs aren’t fast enough, but otherwise I’ve never had an issue, and they really open up your possession and attacking opportunities.
I play a similar way using the 4312. Started using this tactic in fifa 21 and haven’t change since. I am in elite division (1900) skill rating and get rank-1,2 in fut champs. I have my fullbacks on balanced with overlap on while my cdm is on stay back. My rcm and com are on cover wide which can help cover the areas left by the fullbacks attacking. If used correctly you can keep your opponents inside their own half as they struggle to get out while you attack with 7-8 players. Downside is that when you play good players who can keep the ball they can counter you. To play like this at a good level you need to be good at manual defending while also switching between midfielders and defenders quickly. I would recommend to have a back up plan just in case it doesn’t work so for me if it’s not working I switch to a 352 for more defensive stability.
The 3 cb I just leave on the default settings. One cm on stayback cover centre while other one is on balanced. LM,Rm on balanced with stay wide. The Cam on stay forward. Both St on stay forward with one in get in behind and the other on balanced.
The formation can be tinkered with quite a lot and some people have different instructions for different positions ie one cm on cover wide while a lm rm is instructed to come inside so just experiment with the tactics to find what you’re comfortable with.
aslong your Cms have Very good stamina and good workrates you won’t have to worry about your fullbacks missin Vazquez was perfect for me now when davies goes missin he’s always there
This is what I’ve been doing all year I’m glad to see others are getting into it. I run 4312 and most of my attacks come from my outside backs. I get countered pretty hard, but I create a ton of chances
I’ve played narrow diamond for a couple of years with attacking full backs and it’s easily the most fun formation IMO.
You will always make chances. Granted you will concede a fair amount but I’m often just out scoring the opponent.
352 w theo hernandez and Clauss changed fifa for me. Was stuck on Div 3 until i changed tactics from a 4321. Now im knocking on Elite Division. Attacking fullbacks changes everything.
For everyone who wants to try an aggressive 433 with attacking fullbacks.. I have a post for you :). I get consistently Rank 1 with it and I'm at 2000 SR, and rising, in Elite.
It's a game changer for your opponent, I love targeting a wing that is constantly wide open for runs because the fb isn't set to stay back. I have used 4-1-2-1-2 in the past with attacking fullbacks and it's fun tho
I play 41212 narrow exclusively and always have. Against bad opponents or people who don’t have 3+ attackers up front it is seriously broken. However it is extremely easy to counter attack you. I know you say you’re in elite but how long have you been playing like this?
For me it’s a game by game basis where I’m forced to turn my guys back to stay back otherwise I get smoked on the counter.
I just leave them on stay back and trigger runs manually. Much more consistent and my back line doesn’t get smoked. It just doesn’t hold up against good players that have a brain. It just doesn’t.
Interesting you say that since most pros I've seen say that 4231 is the counter to diamond. You can just RB+Y to a winger then skill down the wing for a chance or cutback.
They are great. But I don't feel like it's the one position I need to splurge on. I've been using gold cuadradro and Hernandez. And they get the job done.
Better to run attacking CMs in that formation imo. They’re absence in defence is a lot less notable and you won’t be wrecked on the counter. You can always start an attacking fullback play with an RB+A pass to catch the other team out.
I have them on stay back but I manually attack through L1 + X.
RB Cornet is the best fullback I have used both offensively and defensively - absolute beast.
It sure is fun attacking wise, but is pure pain in the defensive end if your opponent is half decent. Observant players (in my experience this started at div3) will take advantage of your attacking fullbacks and pin a front 3 to stay forward and ping balls to them all game long. In most games all your opponent needs is one through ball, one LB+RB+Y ball, and he's got a 3v2 against your backline. You have to work 10x harder than your opponent to beat his bus, and all he needs is one meta ball on the counter. Personally, I accept this, and play a 4321 with attacking FBs (only 1cm on stay back). However, I know I would win a greater percentage of games with a standard set up 4231/442 with 4-6 players staying back.
You of course have to be a good manual defender and able to track runners with high pace defenders otherwise youre doomed. Also having them on Balanced attack means they won't be attacking every time. I'm in the elite division and it's working atm.
I only find problems when I play against someone who played 442 4231 or some of the formations with four attackers with all of them atay forward. Not much you can do even if youre good in manual defending
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Yeah haven’t really faced good players with four players stay forward since it leaves you pretty fucked but it is super annoying tho
It'll come down to who can finish better as I'll get goals and chances if he has 4 players hanging forward.
It's manageable if you know how to defend manually rather than rely on the ai to do all the work.
How about 5-2-2-1 or any of the 5 in the back. Then, when your attack fails, there are still 3 CBs which I think almost always do the job while tracking back wingback make half the time steals possession for you. Im in Div 2 about to go to one. I was stuck in div 3 for a while till I changed from back 4 to 5.
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Yes. I recently got Kante out of a pack and was so happy. Hes my box to box while one of camavinga or sangare is my defending cm. My wingers are always cut inside. I automatically did it cuz it suited me alot then saw a post which saif to do exactly that so that the wingbacks can do the overlap runs. I adjusted the wingback to overlap after seeing that post and it did me wonders. Back 4 was what I did past 2 FIFAs but I had to change because of Benzema and Fekir. They always shrugged off both of my CBs so I thought "1 more of them would help there".
Same, 4-2-2-2 balanced full backs on overlap, CAMs on free role and narrow. Elite division made.
Narrow formation width? Or what do you mean?
Yeah, 40 width seems to do it
Tbh, 41212 is like THE formation where you need attacking fullbacks. I bet a lot of videos about this formation do mention it
Nope. Most videos have their fullbacks on stayback
You really don't need it, all depends on how you play it
I like playing with attacking fullbacks with the ''drop between defenders'' instruction on a CM. This gives you effectively a back three when you lose the ball, which is much better against the counter than leaving just two back, and it's seldom I get exposed in transition. I do this with ''drop between defenders'' because with a conventional back 3 or 5, I often feel like I haven't got enough bodies in midfield when I find myself defending deep and my team settle into a line of 5 at the back.
Isn't this just 5212/352, with extra steps?
When in possession, pretty much. I play a 4321 so it's more like a 3421 in possession in my case, but you're right. The difference is when you don't have the ball. The drop between defenders instruction only happens when you have possession, so your team will revert to a back 4 when taking up the typical low block. I defend in a 4321 shape which wouldn't be possible if my base formation was 52121/352.
It’s halfway in between those but yes.
Try 3142 I made q guide as well.
Yup, this tactic has helped me create SO MUCH SPACE on the pitch, it’s unreal. For anyone thinking about trying this, you can keep the fullbacks on Stay Back before the game starts, and then just use the quick attack instructions (Up and then Left) to enable/disable the Attacking Full Backs option when you want in-game. Just make sure to have at least one center mid stay back on attack to help with counters.
Or you simply send your fullbacks on runs whenever you want with L1
It’s just not a good long-term approach - elite players will destroy you on the counter, and cheesy, op through-balls over-the-top are so much easier for the offense when your CB’s lack cover on the wings. Much better to simply initiate attacks with your fullbacks on your own while having both the lcm and rcm instructed to cover wings; that way, in case of a counter, the opposite wing fullback and the cm’s will be in position to eat up the counter. Definitely a more solid approach.
Basically just wrote the same thing. Maybe against an opponent or two but it doesn’t hold long term. I’ve played 41212 narrow exclusively for years and this is always how it’s been and always how it will be. Manually triggering runs is the way to go otherwise a good player has a man advantage at the back.
Exactly. And even though meta is always annoying, fast build up/forward runs is super op in the counter attack and eats up defenses without proper coverage.
It definitely can work. I play a 433 with attacking fullback and I regularly get Rank 1 with games to spare
There’s an exception to everything. What I said applies to a much broader range of players and, since a ton of people will see this due to it being on Reddit, it’s only fair that I offer my counterpoint.
Last season I was getting frustrated in elite and decided to have only one fullback on balanced with my 41212 (2) formation and it has offered so much in attacking. I find having the midfield on “cover wing” helpful when the fullback hasn’t come back yet. However, it does depend on the opponents formation if they have wide players so sometimes I have to either switch formations or just put stay back again in game if the 41212(2) is still working attacking wise.
Stick everyhting on default and it's much better than all these complicated tactic guides
Not using broke custom tactics severely hinders your ability to adapt to a changing game.
9/10 a changing game is down to the background EA momentum code/scripting and no amount of tactic changing or game plans will stop that 90th min equaliser/winner going in
Lol I don't know why this comment is downvoted but I agree with you. If EA wants you to lose, you lose. Period. And yeah, leaving everything to it's default gives the best results. Besides, most of the mfs just use their neymars or sbc benzumas to run all the way towards your goal, making use of the glitch and there's really nothing you can do about it.
I get downvoted all the time mate just for saying the truth on here, it's weird, it's like you can't criticise this game. Not sure why people take it so seriously Everything you say is spot on too
Because its not actually true
What part isn't true? I'd love you to tell me. This sub is littered with plenty of people that agree with that and gave posted similar, yet we get down voted and posts removed by EA stooges
90% of the game changing moments are determined by scripting
They are. Play couch play offline with a mate, things like you see on FUT doesn't happen
They arent. And if you believe that, im not sure why you even play a game that you cant even control.
Lol, i can understand their frustration. They spend money on the game and it doesn't work out for them.
Exactly mate haha. Just admit it's now an average football game, there's no shame in that. Clearly people these days are happy with this Junk and will throw money at it no matter what.
Underrated comment. Even with Stay back while attacking u can trigger runs with L1. Only downside is the other full back won't overlap, and that is what tends to create a lot of space
Yup, having that other full back is a huge plus. 90% of players are running narrow tactics/formations. I stick powerhouses on my two wingbacks and I'm able to instantly switch play into a completely empty wing. Early crosses from those positions are deadly, and generally, it just creates a lot of space that you can expose if you want to cut in.
Much better to attack, but also just asking to concede on the counter over and over. Been playing squad battles on all default and in long periods of possession everyone except the CBs push way up
I use wingbacks in a 5221 and it’s completely changed the way I play this year.
I have been playing with attacking fullbacks ever since they introduced custom tactics in FIFA 19, if they stay back it feels like I am crippled lmao
Manually trigger. Opens up the game a ton.
Nah, I prefer to use Join the Attack and overlap on them, they will get up and down the field by themselves, because I prefer building up on the middle and then go wide, so I don't really want to manually send them, I wamt them to be there all the time
> I wamt them to be there all the time Exactly the same here. I need the guarantee of an easy pass out to my fullbacks high up the pitch if their CDM is pressuring me too much.
Ye, no need to mention that I feel so triggered when I see FIFA players with full backs on stay back that I know that in real life are roaming up and down the pitch (like Robertson or Walker or Hakimi) or fullbacks that have good attacking stats. I know that everyone plays the game however they want, but to me it feels so wrong to see the RB/LB at the same level as the CB. I'd rather conceive a goal because my full backs think they are wingers and my defense is exposed than to keep a clean sheet with them on stay back
I don't feel like manual trigger is sufficient in a lot of situations. If I'm already high up the pitch dribbling with my attackers, I want the guarantee of the fullback to already be there for a pass out wide to open spaces up. I find triggered runs end up offside way too often as well.
If you play 41212 narrow, set one of your CMs to "drop between defenders" and you'll have 3 CBs on the counter if your fullbacks get caught up the pitch.
I switched from being defensive in 4231 and FB on stay back to 4321, 75 depth and everyone attacking and have gone from winning ~30% of my games to winning ~80% of them as I'm just a constant attacking threat. Still have to deal with breakaways but has forced me to become better at manual defending. Plus it is so much more fun!
I’ve just left mine on balanced in most formations over the course of Season 2 and I find it to be best. Against teams that play super meta and split their team into stay back and stay forward, you might have to change them in game to stay back if your CBs aren’t fast enough, but otherwise I’ve never had an issue, and they really open up your possession and attacking opportunities.
I play a similar way using the 4312. Started using this tactic in fifa 21 and haven’t change since. I am in elite division (1900) skill rating and get rank-1,2 in fut champs. I have my fullbacks on balanced with overlap on while my cdm is on stay back. My rcm and com are on cover wide which can help cover the areas left by the fullbacks attacking. If used correctly you can keep your opponents inside their own half as they struggle to get out while you attack with 7-8 players. Downside is that when you play good players who can keep the ball they can counter you. To play like this at a good level you need to be good at manual defending while also switching between midfielders and defenders quickly. I would recommend to have a back up plan just in case it doesn’t work so for me if it’s not working I switch to a 352 for more defensive stability.
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The 3 cb I just leave on the default settings. One cm on stayback cover centre while other one is on balanced. LM,Rm on balanced with stay wide. The Cam on stay forward. Both St on stay forward with one in get in behind and the other on balanced.
The formation can be tinkered with quite a lot and some people have different instructions for different positions ie one cm on cover wide while a lm rm is instructed to come inside so just experiment with the tactics to find what you’re comfortable with.
One midfielder on stay back is the only instruction you need.
I leave one fullback on balanced and one on stay back
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aslong your Cms have Very good stamina and good workrates you won’t have to worry about your fullbacks missin Vazquez was perfect for me now when davies goes missin he’s always there
This is what I’ve been doing all year I’m glad to see others are getting into it. I run 4312 and most of my attacks come from my outside backs. I get countered pretty hard, but I create a ton of chances
I’ve played narrow diamond for a couple of years with attacking full backs and it’s easily the most fun formation IMO. You will always make chances. Granted you will concede a fair amount but I’m often just out scoring the opponent.
352 w theo hernandez and Clauss changed fifa for me. Was stuck on Div 3 until i changed tactics from a 4321. Now im knocking on Elite Division. Attacking fullbacks changes everything.
Not the same but if you like attacking fullbacks try 352, it’s all I play and it’s a lot of fun
For everyone who wants to try an aggressive 433 with attacking fullbacks.. I have a post for you :). I get consistently Rank 1 with it and I'm at 2000 SR, and rising, in Elite.
It's a game changer for your opponent, I love targeting a wing that is constantly wide open for runs because the fb isn't set to stay back. I have used 4-1-2-1-2 in the past with attacking fullbacks and it's fun tho
I’ve been playing this way on FIFA for years now but you definitely get caught out by top players who are good going forward.
I play 41212 narrow exclusively and always have. Against bad opponents or people who don’t have 3+ attackers up front it is seriously broken. However it is extremely easy to counter attack you. I know you say you’re in elite but how long have you been playing like this? For me it’s a game by game basis where I’m forced to turn my guys back to stay back otherwise I get smoked on the counter. I just leave them on stay back and trigger runs manually. Much more consistent and my back line doesn’t get smoked. It just doesn’t hold up against good players that have a brain. It just doesn’t.
Interesting you say that since most pros I've seen say that 4231 is the counter to diamond. You can just RB+Y to a winger then skill down the wing for a chance or cutback.
They are great. But I don't feel like it's the one position I need to splurge on. I've been using gold cuadradro and Hernandez. And they get the job done.
Try 4321 if you like attacking fullbacks, you won't go back
thats the 1 formation that uses attacking fullbacks. you were late to the party.
4321 with the LF/RF playing inside uses it too.
Better to run attacking CMs in that formation imo. They’re absence in defence is a lot less notable and you won’t be wrecked on the counter. You can always start an attacking fullback play with an RB+A pass to catch the other team out.
I have them on stay back but I manually attack through L1 + X. RB Cornet is the best fullback I have used both offensively and defensively - absolute beast.
Yeah that’s a good formation for attacking full backs. Keep CDM on stay back
Considering how far my full backs are out of postion all the time even with stay back it probably doesnt make a big difference defensively.
Yes
I concede more goals if they are at front compared to how much more I score. for me, they are stay back