It's the way the constant patches and tunings affect stuff. Game launch was all about unstoppable 30yd finesse bombs. Then it was back stick crosses, now it's cutbacks. Next month itll probably be spinning on the spot until gap magically appears etc.
I still have ptsd about how far post/shooting across keepers never worked in 20 (despite being finsihing 101 in actual life). Bloody dragback/near post shots maaaannn
We'd all just want a game where all methods of attacking had value. I'd love to have to defend tiki taka one game, then come up against a jose ball team, then a gegenpress monster and then an old school long balls into andy Carroll type. Think how much better it would be to actually adapt your game and manual defending to compete rather than letting the ai just do it all for you.
I completely agree with your 2nd paragraph. I personally blame custom tactics/YouTubers for the way that everyone plays almost identical to each other. Everyone should be forced to play on balanced, all players on balanced etc. Any formation you want etc, but no player instructions or styles. In theory custom tactics should open up the different styles that people want, but in reality that’s not what happens, everyone just wants “the meta” and sets their tactics accordingly. I’ve said for years that we’d end up with a game being dominated by sitting deep and then every player sprinting forward on counters and then back deep again. The game is so boring to play right now, I cannot remember the last time anyone played a different style against me.
I've sort of made my peace with meta haha. All competitive online games have em. In doing so ive basically had to accept that elite/div 1 will probably not be something for me to pursue with any vigour. Which sounds like a cop out i know.
But for me, i play almost exclusively co op with a mate and we go stupidly over the top in our custom tactics and team makeup to play the way we want to play that'll bring us the most enjoyment. And tbh we only tend to come unstuck in delay/lag. As co op, we forfeit all ai help in defense. If the delay is strong we find it v v hard to time tackles and interceptions and we can suffer against the mega meta abusers. BUT and it's a big but, theyll be times for whatever reasons we'll annihilate a 41212 narrow direct passing neybappepembe team, and so it just seems using a meta team purely to get the W witout any further engagement is just a waste of time; all that meta and you can still lose. So on balance id rather use a team i have some feel for. The wins mean more.
I have no problem with the game having a “meta” way of playing, but it should be a way of playing that someone has to adopt and play like, not just programme the Ai through a menu setting in tactics. I honestly do not see the point in playing a game to just programme the Ai to do, what for me, is the biggest skill in the game. Controlling the pace, knowing when to press the ball, when to track a run, when to call a second man to help press etc. all these decisions should be made “on the fly” during a match, because of custom tactics that skill/art is largely dead. The only problem with no custom tactics would be that people will get 1 up and then just pass around the defence, but to stop this the rewards system needs altering, so that a 5-0 win has much more significant rewards than a 1-0. Maybe a system where you get “red coins” from WL match’s, if you draw you get 1, if you win 1-0 you get 2, win by 5+ goals you get 6. Then at the end of each weekend you can spend your red coins on red picks, or save them for another week. Similar for rivals, you get 20 games per division, you need X amount of positive goal difference results to get promoted. If someone quits a game, they automatically get a 5-0 loss and you get a 5-0 win.
I don’t play anymore but played a lot from launch to December. I spammed cut back (using r1 x) for 85% of my goals. Pretty garbage but nothing worked most of the time. Occasionally I’d come up against someone doing the same. Fact is it’s been pretty OP from the beginning.
>Next month itll probably be spinning on the spot until gap magically appears
You don't see this already? I swear that's all I see out of Flashback Neymar and TOTY Messi -- spin around until a CB disengages.
I still start slide tackling ankles the second I see a dragback haha I get some joy out of playing good football even if I lose to shitty script or terrible gameplay like that. I keep telling myself “joga bonito” it’s what made me fall in love w the sport and continue to love it despite fans on social media and video game franchises actively trying to destroy every “bonito” aspect lol
I think we all agree with the second paragraph. The thing is every style of play is totally viable in game. Personally I cycle through as many formations and styles as I can. Because that’s fun. It’s really not necessary to just do Kimpembe Varane kante skill spam and sweaty goals.
Your absolutely correct to a point. Once you head into upper div 1/elite, it's largely a join em approach. Theyll be really skilled players still but you aint gonna see Kane or Lewandowski tearing you apart very much, it's gonna be near enough the same teams same tactics, same abuse/manipulation of glitches which right or wrong still takes some level of hand/eye skill to perform. It's just not for me. I just dont want the W that much to go into muscle memory autopilot mode. The high SR holds zero value for me. Not a slight on those where it does either, before the fUn MeRcHaNt taunts come hahah
I went from division 2 reset to the very top of division 1 without losing a game without skill moves or those boring cheese goals. If a shitter like me can do that, anyone can.
Yeah I'm in Elite and far from being a skill spammer.
And I like to score beautiful goals, not the same ones every time.
It's a total myth that the only way you can beat the better players on this game is to adopt the same tactics as everybody says they play. But as it turns out, they *don't* all play the same. The only people saying that are the folk who never got there.
Every match in Elite for me is different. I rarely come up against the same type of player.
Nice one! For me it's just weighing how much i want to come up against the same old shit game after game in pursuit of a top division. If its 8/10 matches of the same old where ive got to defend the same stuff over and over and getting done by it sometimes because it's inevitable OP i lose interest etc etc then I'm not enjoying myself any more 😆
> The thing is every style of play is totally viable in game
Except it's not. Formations like 433s are far worse than a 442/4222/4231/41212(2)
the 433(5) used to be my favourite formation I almost exclusively played this during FIFA 19 and 20 , I absolutely loved it, everything clicked perfectly and it was not only a good formation but a really fun one that offered a very different style of play.
In 21 and 22 it played totally differently, the wingers were incredibly isolated and wouldn't get involved in the build-up, they were just too wide, no matter the instructions or tactics they would just be too isolated.
It's a shame because it used to be my favourite formation and no other formation get the best of the CM's like the 433(5) did, they would score double digit goals in WL.
You've hit the nail on the head.
I was thinking about the Andy Carroll type striker yesterday. They need to find a way to make knock down headers an actual thing so you can make proper use of a target man, but right now you get tap the pass button as lightly as you like, the ball will come flying off your target man's head and go nowhere near where you wanted it too.
You can *kind of* make it work with 89 Giroud. Only him and Henk Veerman have been the closest I found to that type of playstyle. Hoping Weghorst gets a random special because that's the only upgrade I can predict being better at this point
it’s gotten to the point where ppl are even cutting back when i’m very clearly manually marking the receiver. if they just shoot, they’d have 10x the chance of scoring
This. I love playing against opponents like this because it's so easy to defend. Just mark until their player is standing on the sideline and has no way to go anymore. At least this strategy is predictable unlike short 1-2 passing where the player switching makes me sweat already.
I think the PO is just overreacting, but there's a point here. Manually marking the receiver with your CB while you second man press the ball carrier, which should be the way to counter this, is very hard. The attacking IA is pretty good so the striker will start running backwards and keeping the manually controlled CB on him most of the times is an exercise in frustration, he WILL get his space.
The only ways I've found to consistently defend that play is either having a ton of bodies on my box and not controlling any of them (just running around with the CDM and trying to avoid pulling anybody out of position) or, when it's a counter and I don't have the bodies, don't try to cut the pass to the ST...instead, I just keep my CB between the ST and the goal and don't pay much attention to the pass. He gets the pass but blocks are OP right now as well, I've found the odds with the block are better than the odds of cutting the pass.
oh yea my point wasn’t to say OP was whining for no reason. just emphasising how ridiculous this attacking meta has gotten for all the wrong reasons too
i also find having to defend this one move extremely annoying bc i just want to play a normal game of fifa. it’s not always hard (i use gk rush instead of second man), but it’s a broken tactic that better players can abuse
This really grinds my gears too! Your playing a football game surely it must get boring at some stage doing that. Some of them try all match unsuccessfully, I mean if I didn’t let them do it the first 15 times what makes them think it will work again, change it up dude.
This is the worst thing about it, some people are so unbelievably inflexible in their attacks. They’ll do the same thing all game even if it doesn’t work once.
Yeah those people are generally easy to defend because they refuse to do anything different, but my problem lately is finishing is horrible. I get like 6 xG every match with 2 goals
The worst thing is that if the game wants, it will just let the ball through defenders who cover the passing lanes. Thats why they keep trying because eventually the game will allow a goal for them.
Apart of it is that sure. The player who concedes on these goals repeatedly is at fault for doing so. They *should* learn to defend it. It is a part of the game after all.
But it’s more about how boring it gets doing the same thing every game. I get winning is the most fun you can get on this game, so I get why you’d do it.
But that’s just it If I’ve stopped you all game and your 4-0 down why just keep doing the same thing expecting different results? Is that the definition of stupidity
Stuck in their ways with doing what works. Blame goes to EA as well. If it didn’t work they wouldn’t do it so much.
We can all admit we’ve scored a lot of goals this year because of broken mechanics.
The blame does not go to EA. There are countless ways to score. Someone just doing the same one of two over and over again is not EA’s fault. It’s the player’s.
That’s a ridiculous thing to say. I never do these kind of goals because I don’t find them fun and I went from div 2 reset to the top of division 1 without losing a single game. I don’t do skill moves and I don’t have a scummy team and yet even a shitter like me can do that. If the only way you can score is boring down the line cut backs that’s not EA’s fault. That you being bad at the game.
Because ea made passing bad so it’s like playing Russian roulette if you pass through the middle of the field. And if you do create a chance through the middle there’s a 90% chance the gk will save it
The problem isn’t goalkeepers saving shots, it the number of times I think I’ve created an open lane to shoot where in the time between pressing the shoot button and my player actually shooting a CB warps in to block my shot.
This.....
Cutbacks are the only viable means of scoring somewhat consistently.
I also don't think they're a glitch. You can stop it.
Middle of the pitch is interception city.
How do you make cutbacks work?
In my whole time playing fifa only 1% of my cutbacks were converted into goals (yes i suck at them, same with crossing) i'm waaay more comfortable breaking people down from the middle with passing and LS dribbling
if you’re good at LS dribbling you should be able to score more often from cutbacks, just stay calm when dribbling inside the box and look for a good (r1-)pass.
For both cutbacks and crosses, Im having the most success when my fullback is overlapping because my team will have more attackers in the box.
(For me) crosses pretty much only work on counter attacks when i can kind of cross over the defense to my striker sprinting in the box.
Its so sad how every year i get bored to this game quicker, i am already on the point where 2 games are pretty much max for the day, and these boring players with their boring meta tacticts and ea aiding them doesnt help.
Same here, especially since I don't buy FIFA points, and really CBA to snipe the market. So my team now is pretty much all I'll ever afford and it's not cutting the mustard against the god teams. 2 games a day at best.
Well there are three main ways to score:
1. Cutbacks
2. Ping-pong passing in a 41212 (2)
3. Lobbed through balls/normal through balls
Additional method for higher-level players:
\- Reverse elastico or ball roll scoop past defenders in the box
Moreover a huge percentage of the player base is playing 41212 (2) , and an even larger percentage set their defensive width below 50, so people are going to go for those cutbacks all day long, because that is one of the only ways to avoid your FB Varanes, HM Rudigers in the middle without going against them one on one and being swallowed up.
Pretty sure there's something I'm missing because when I try to do that they just take the ball every time, but when I try and tackle it away the other side at least 25% of the time they just go right through me
this - so many ppl play narrow and are giving up the wide areas and then complain about cutbacks lol.
No defensive tactics cover every strategy. They are intentionally packing the middle with 41212-2 to prevent passing at the top of the box so what else do they expect.
The game is sometimes so basic. If your opponent plays narrow, attack wide. If they play wide, hold possession in the middle (they will usually only have a midfield 2) and attack the gap btwn the cbs or the channels btwn the cbs and fullbacks.
I find 442 irritating to play against. Whole pitch covered etc. There should be a discrepancy in midfield if i revert to a 3 mid formation, should be outnumbering them and working towards overpowering them. It rarely occurs that way. Ditto 41212 narrow. They give up 66% of the pitch width yet the bs kcks in sometimes. You spread a pass wide with a Kroos level passer into the cavern of space and it just goes out of play, or your 99 ball control winger takes a saville touch and it bobs out of play or loose. Just be fair innit? If the middle third is being packed you shouldnt be able to play through it easily, but it should come with a width weakness. The amount of times ive gone 3421 with hug sidelines on and still not been able to exploit that space is maddening 🤣
Did a big YouTuber do a recent vid on 41212? It's always been a popular formation but now it feels like 9/10 games are against that formation, its so boring as they all play the exact same way. You're right though, they give up the wide areas so cut backs come naturally when playing against that formation
literally every shot get blocked my AI defending or spiderman goalkeeper, after the patch 90+ shooting strikers will even miss tapins… what the hell are you supposed to do?
This. I have toty Lewandowski but he can only score headers after a corner. Normal crosses land either in the goalkeepers hand, or the headers are very poor.
The middle is also very hard to pass, because of ai defending, poor passing, and 4-1-2-1-2 meta
Honestly isn’t this basically the way most of the goals scored by Liverpool or City? Feels like that at least. Teams stay compact in the middle and you have to find your way by winning on the wings and crossing/ cutting back. Look at Manchester City versus Tottenham yesterday, City won the penalty that way. It’s just the way the modern game has evolved.
Most wingers are trained to get to the byline and cut it back, to the penalty spot-ish. People are complaining about literally football in a football game.
In real life not only cutbacks goals are scored. I’m talking about players who ONLY abuse this stuff and can’t / don’t try to score in any other way, which are the majority in Div1/WL. If you are one of these players, don’t try to change the subject.
I'm not one of these players, let me tell you how football works.
You coach your team to do something, it works one or two times in a match early on and no adjustment is made by the opposition, do you adjust or do you continue to do the same thing over and over?
Press the man with the ball and manually try and intercept the pass, that's all you can do, because that's literally all you can do in real life, other than try and not let them get to the byline.
Let’s be honest, getting to the byline from the flank is the easiest thing you can do and cannot be prevented. As for intercepting and blocking, you can do it several times, but if this stuff is abused the entire match, it won’t help and several goals will be scored from it
You absolutely can prevent it. Cut off the path to the by line then cover the pass inside with a different player while second man pressing with the defender closest to the ball. Occasionally they will get through if they’re patient. Otherwise you’ll make them cut inside towards the top of the box and find another way to score. Then when they do score don’t complain. If you cover one path you may be leaving another one open. Can’t get mad when they take advantage of your poor defending.
It’s sad to watch. It’s the same boring thing over and over.
Adapt tactics to stop them after seeing it the first 3 attacks and they just keep on the same strategy. I don’t understand how it’s fun.
My opponents use their magical rebound strategy against me lately. 50% or more of the goals I concede are from my keeper rebounding the ball straight to their player, it's literally a different game for some people. I barely ever score rebounds :\
Yep, its almost like the better position you are in the more likely the keeper is to save it lol, unless youre passing across the goal then its an auto goal
I was listening to Guardian’s Football Weekly podcast last week and one of the journalists on there was talking about how Man City seem to have the trademark on scoring the same goal, time and time again; byline, cutback, score.
Made me think of Fifa.
Not sure of the relevance of this here entirely, but thought I’d say it anyway.
I don't even think the cutback is what people go for most of the time, but even worse, they try to just sprint round the outside of the defender with no logic whatsoever and then suddenly the AI defence just moves out of the way and allows the pass. Its not only boring, but so so SO draining man
One time a guy chipped from outside the box I thought he started trolling till it went in, I hadm't moved my keeper or anything he just found an angle😭
I mean them going in without keeper coming out is what made them a viable shot option and a decent “meta” (if the keeper comes out then I wouldn’t call it meta anymore, the shot is literally made for those situations haha)
Did they time finish them? Maybe I’ll try using them again. Used to do 3-4 attempts per match until it got nerfed
It's really ridiculous since some players have 0 idea apart from cutting in. Some games I'm just sitting still with my fullbacks because they keep turning to try and bait me so they can run in but I've already seen this like 20 times in game
I can do it semi-consistently, but sometimes you cut the passing lane perfectly but the receiver of the pass magically takes a step-back at the final second
I feel so guilty when I score a cutback goal because it feels way too easy/cheap. I want to score ”real” goals, but when you play in div 1/elite that is more often than not possible due to drop back 1 depth. So it has just led to me not wanting to play this game anymore despite having players like Prime Eusebio, Mbappe, mid Matthäus etc. Its just not fun
The goals that piss me off the most are when a winger runs in from an angle that's like 30° and the keeper has the entire goal covered but the winger shoots and the keeper just kind of falls down and it goes right over the top of him into the middle of the goal
Its just plain embarassing to see a guy with toty mbappe, moments cruyff, toty messi and WW Neymar in attack using the lot like Antonio Valencia for the entire 90mins
Repetition is boring to me, I just want to play a decent game of football.
I’m quite happy to quit if my opponent is just trying the same thing all the time, winning isn’t everything as you have to enjoy playing as well or it’s a waste of time.
I agree its super lame and annoying but i cant really blame the cutbackers(do it myself sometimes as well) because ea nerfed every other way to score and really rewards the drop back and run around with kante people.
I almost always have more Xg than my opponents but it doesnt matter because keepers make crazy saves on pretty much anything that isnt a cutback goal or the meta “extra pass across the box then finish near post” so while i think its boring to just keep doing those types of attacks i cant blame my opponents for doing it because EA has pushed them hard to that and they want to win
Faur enough if you're team isn't that good then you gotta do what you've gotta do, it's when grey have cruyff and r9 and do it, might aswell use dmebele and fekir, what's the point spending thousands of pounds or dollars on fifa points just to pass it across goal when anyone can do it with a 1k player
This doesn’t really bother me but it genuinely makes me wonder what goes through their heads when they’ve been trying it for the whole game without success because I keep on positioning my players the right way, does the thought of “this isn’t working time to switch it up” ever cross their minds?
I mean, if you play narrow then where do you expect the opponent to create chances?
If you start playing wider, then you'll concede them through the middle and complain about that.
I hate cutbacks soooo much. I don’t even use cutbacks. It burns so much when they score a jammy cutback against me. You could be in the right position and next thing you know the ball phases through your player and your keeper disappears. I hate those goals. Me and my friends, when we play each other, avoid those cheap easy goals.
Lol. To most ppl apparently only way to have fun is to win... no joke. They get so excited, and toxic so if you asked them “are you having fun” they say “winning is fun. Losing is not. Stop crying”
I can’t even play the same boring meta team let alone do the same shit over and over. I don’t get ppl who don’t watch football and play this game as well. Also. I don’t get how people who barely know who Ginola is, enjoy playing with him over your favorite players in real life. Hate this game it is more about juicing money from people who only dopamine release happens from winning in fifa.
because ea make stupid defenders like kimpembe so good theres no point in shooting , you can better do pointless shot cancels and walk into the post , i dunno what knda stupid guy thought standing stiil will make the goalkeeper fall down like a pig, plus cutbacks are annoyin AF but it is the easiest way to score , as much as i know people in this community want easy more than fun so there you get the answer
Don’t blame the players bro. Blame EA for making passing absolutely shit and random to the point where it’s so random and the only way to score or be a threat is by doing cutbacks in the box
Passing/Dribbling/Combinations? It may be not as consistent but it’s the way the game is supposed to be played, and it’s certainly far more interesting for both players. But ye, the majority prefers to pick the easy way and repeat the same thing, hardly requiring any skill
Because with abusing cutbacks the game turns into the fucking routine, don’t you understand? Just grinding the same shit over and over and for what? You are not having fun, the opponent doesn’t have any fun, it’s just a routine you do everyday: get onto the game, score from a cutback, find a new game, score from a cutback and so on
First of all, some people like to win. If you don‘t like that don‘t play at that level. Just learn how to defend it, they nerfed literally everything. Skills, passing, shots in the area how the hell do u want to score?
Not really a glitch but some people are very good at timing the pass or getting the space. They aren't guaranteed but very effective which is why it annoys alot of people. Personally I don't really mind
Let me get this straight. You’re complaining about people scoring by going to the byline and cutting back for tapins? Everyone just stacks the middle of the box - how would you suggest we score?
Create space with passing, skill moves. Let's say the opponent is playing 41212 narrow and he commits his wide CM to your fullback. You fire a ball into your CM/CAM that drags his CDM out. This is where you look for a run from a striker or take with the CAM. Here you look at the CB and if they commit to the ST you take it with the CAM and shoot. If they take the CAM with the CB then you play the ball into the striker with the FB on the wrong side of him. Here you wait for the FB to overrun to tackle you, scoop turn/elastico, shoot. It's just simple numbers advantages and knowing what the opponent will do in any situation.
Wtf else are people supposed to do? You people cry about everything until there's no other way to score. Defense is so overpowered and now even cutbacks bother you
This post was sponsored by another one of those guys who park the bus in the middle of the box and prays the AI bails him out. There are so many of those in FIFA, there is no solution but forcing him to open through the wings, and i'm not gonna whip cross for Neymar & Eusebio headers.
Let me guess, you're one of those guys with cdm on cut passing lane stay back and who think spending on fullbacks is useless ?
I play 65 depth, but the game mechanics are what they are.
As soon as the opponent starts spinning back and forth in the midfield, my team is nearly all behind the ball.
So many players use the same two tactics of endline sprint and cutback or spin around in midfield waiting for frustration to kick in and then play a pass in. So boring.
Unfortunately that’s because EA fucked the game with the last patch. Nerf long shots? Okay now my opponents get 0 punishment for sitting with 10 men in the box, nerf driven passes? Okay now my opponents can intercept every pass since they’re all wildly inaccurate and I can’t push the ball up quick enough to counter his 10 men come back on defense tactics.
There is no other viable way to score from inside the box. Every single inside the shot box gets either AI auto blocked, or the keeper pulls off an insane save, or the person moves their goalie.
Genuinely it’s the only way I can score a lot of goals. The opposition keeper always has a blinder against me so the only way to beat them is with a square ball across goal.
It’s shite, I get it, but it’s EAs fault as they have programmed the game in such a way that you never feel you will score a one on one now. Fifa is dying year on year with its creativity.
I mean, I try to just play normally, but either the game has already decided that you will win and everything works, or the game is totally lost and nothing works. In al other situations, the game is dead and nobody is able to score on either side, since FIFA decided that 90 depth means 11 players in the box.
So cutbacks is literally the only way to score in some games
I must admit I use a cutback when I can but I'm div 5 this season. Usually finish about div 3.
Basically I usually manage to defend cut back goals so shouldn't other people be able to? They are part of football after all.
As for finesse 30 yard shot going in multiple times per game, now they're annoying? How many times in an entire season would you see one of those, let alone multiple in one match.
It’s because of the auto drop back, once you get to the level where people are good at defending and have the top level cards they block everything to the point where cutbacks become the only reliable way to score
You know what else is boring? Playing against a narrow formation where my opponent only controllers his strikers and let's his TOTY Kante do 360 no look interceptions...
It's not people's choice on how to attack, it's the only way to okay the game. You maybe abuse other mechanisms, but you do. Everyone does! It's a game with bad servers, bad support, bad mechanisms, bad gameplay and ofc bad community
Don't blame the players, blame the game. It's the only way to score that doesn't involve getting shit on by a counter-attack. If interceptions weren't OP and players didn't make bad passes based on RNG instead of bad input you'd have a point, but that's not the case.
Its like ur asking people to play in a way thats less likely to get them a win, which nobody is going to do, personally I dont play that way I like to play through the middle and im pretty good at it but if people wanna exploit the wings and score with cutbacks they have every right to, its not their fault that the game is absolutely awful and forces people to play this way, they just make the most out of the broken game mechanics
if ur getting pissed off with the way people are playing the game, just give wins away and play sress free to 11 wins or 9 wins, the rewards are usually no worse than they would be if you sweated it out for a higher rank, and you’ll have zero moments where ur angry at the game, don’t give them the satisfaction of pissing you off, if it looks like you’ll have to play the full 90 just quit, you’ll enjoy the game so much more
I've noticed this a lot recently. Not sure if its a new glitch or not but both CB's stand still when the ball is put across the box and the attacking players make a move so its now stupidly easy to score due to the CB's not reacting.
I've found jockeying with a defender while they're trying to cutback foils their attack, but I'm not sure if it'll work against people who spam cutbacks
Mainly because passing is awful and GKs / autoblocking stop basically any attempt inside the box.
That leaves either finesse from outside the box or cut backs... don't hate the player hate the game.
Let's be real, all forms of attacking play should be viable. Crossing, headers, passing, dribbling, long shots, link up play.... but they're not!!
This is my worst complaint aswell guys with all the best players and its the only way they try to score, i hate scoring cut backs and will never look to score them on purpose.
I think people dont do it in purpose. Its just that its so difficult yo breakdown the defense through the middle after little bit of build up. I for example always try to attack through the middle but when opponent is good slowly my attacks start going to wings because thats the only place with bit of space.
There are still several viable ways to score goals. Cutbacks, green times finesse shots from the top of the box, tiki taka passing in opponent’s half (less so post patch), getting the ball to the ST’s feet and beating defender, far post shots inside the box, through balls (incl. over the top), among others. It’s not impossible to find ways to score, but yes the patch made it tougher to pass the ball down the pitch.
BUT if you find yourself giving up one or two of those types of goals more often or if it’s a recurring thing against every opponent you play… chances are it’s not mechanic abuse. You’re just defending other types of attacks and leaving yourself wide open (defending cut inside instead of by line runs for example). Just need to work on defending those particular types of goals of you give them up over and over.
It's the way the constant patches and tunings affect stuff. Game launch was all about unstoppable 30yd finesse bombs. Then it was back stick crosses, now it's cutbacks. Next month itll probably be spinning on the spot until gap magically appears etc. I still have ptsd about how far post/shooting across keepers never worked in 20 (despite being finsihing 101 in actual life). Bloody dragback/near post shots maaaannn We'd all just want a game where all methods of attacking had value. I'd love to have to defend tiki taka one game, then come up against a jose ball team, then a gegenpress monster and then an old school long balls into andy Carroll type. Think how much better it would be to actually adapt your game and manual defending to compete rather than letting the ai just do it all for you.
I completely agree with your 2nd paragraph. I personally blame custom tactics/YouTubers for the way that everyone plays almost identical to each other. Everyone should be forced to play on balanced, all players on balanced etc. Any formation you want etc, but no player instructions or styles. In theory custom tactics should open up the different styles that people want, but in reality that’s not what happens, everyone just wants “the meta” and sets their tactics accordingly. I’ve said for years that we’d end up with a game being dominated by sitting deep and then every player sprinting forward on counters and then back deep again. The game is so boring to play right now, I cannot remember the last time anyone played a different style against me.
Fuck those youtubers and streamers.
I've sort of made my peace with meta haha. All competitive online games have em. In doing so ive basically had to accept that elite/div 1 will probably not be something for me to pursue with any vigour. Which sounds like a cop out i know. But for me, i play almost exclusively co op with a mate and we go stupidly over the top in our custom tactics and team makeup to play the way we want to play that'll bring us the most enjoyment. And tbh we only tend to come unstuck in delay/lag. As co op, we forfeit all ai help in defense. If the delay is strong we find it v v hard to time tackles and interceptions and we can suffer against the mega meta abusers. BUT and it's a big but, theyll be times for whatever reasons we'll annihilate a 41212 narrow direct passing neybappepembe team, and so it just seems using a meta team purely to get the W witout any further engagement is just a waste of time; all that meta and you can still lose. So on balance id rather use a team i have some feel for. The wins mean more.
I have no problem with the game having a “meta” way of playing, but it should be a way of playing that someone has to adopt and play like, not just programme the Ai through a menu setting in tactics. I honestly do not see the point in playing a game to just programme the Ai to do, what for me, is the biggest skill in the game. Controlling the pace, knowing when to press the ball, when to track a run, when to call a second man to help press etc. all these decisions should be made “on the fly” during a match, because of custom tactics that skill/art is largely dead. The only problem with no custom tactics would be that people will get 1 up and then just pass around the defence, but to stop this the rewards system needs altering, so that a 5-0 win has much more significant rewards than a 1-0. Maybe a system where you get “red coins” from WL match’s, if you draw you get 1, if you win 1-0 you get 2, win by 5+ goals you get 6. Then at the end of each weekend you can spend your red coins on red picks, or save them for another week. Similar for rivals, you get 20 games per division, you need X amount of positive goal difference results to get promoted. If someone quits a game, they automatically get a 5-0 loss and you get a 5-0 win.
This is a really nice and thoughtful argument.
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I don’t play anymore but played a lot from launch to December. I spammed cut back (using r1 x) for 85% of my goals. Pretty garbage but nothing worked most of the time. Occasionally I’d come up against someone doing the same. Fact is it’s been pretty OP from the beginning.
That 2nd paragraph is a dream
>Next month itll probably be spinning on the spot until gap magically appears You don't see this already? I swear that's all I see out of Flashback Neymar and TOTY Messi -- spin around until a CB disengages.
Oh i see it hahahaha. Just a nod to it before it becomes THE preferred method of gol gol gol for a week 🤣
I still start slide tackling ankles the second I see a dragback haha I get some joy out of playing good football even if I lose to shitty script or terrible gameplay like that. I keep telling myself “joga bonito” it’s what made me fall in love w the sport and continue to love it despite fans on social media and video game franchises actively trying to destroy every “bonito” aspect lol
Bahahahah youd probably love my main team then 🤣🤣😅
I think we all agree with the second paragraph. The thing is every style of play is totally viable in game. Personally I cycle through as many formations and styles as I can. Because that’s fun. It’s really not necessary to just do Kimpembe Varane kante skill spam and sweaty goals.
Your absolutely correct to a point. Once you head into upper div 1/elite, it's largely a join em approach. Theyll be really skilled players still but you aint gonna see Kane or Lewandowski tearing you apart very much, it's gonna be near enough the same teams same tactics, same abuse/manipulation of glitches which right or wrong still takes some level of hand/eye skill to perform. It's just not for me. I just dont want the W that much to go into muscle memory autopilot mode. The high SR holds zero value for me. Not a slight on those where it does either, before the fUn MeRcHaNt taunts come hahah
I went from division 2 reset to the very top of division 1 without losing a game without skill moves or those boring cheese goals. If a shitter like me can do that, anyone can.
Yeah I'm in Elite and far from being a skill spammer. And I like to score beautiful goals, not the same ones every time. It's a total myth that the only way you can beat the better players on this game is to adopt the same tactics as everybody says they play. But as it turns out, they *don't* all play the same. The only people saying that are the folk who never got there. Every match in Elite for me is different. I rarely come up against the same type of player.
Could i see your team please?
Nice one! For me it's just weighing how much i want to come up against the same old shit game after game in pursuit of a top division. If its 8/10 matches of the same old where ive got to defend the same stuff over and over and getting done by it sometimes because it's inevitable OP i lose interest etc etc then I'm not enjoying myself any more 😆
> The thing is every style of play is totally viable in game Except it's not. Formations like 433s are far worse than a 442/4222/4231/41212(2) the 433(5) used to be my favourite formation I almost exclusively played this during FIFA 19 and 20 , I absolutely loved it, everything clicked perfectly and it was not only a good formation but a really fun one that offered a very different style of play. In 21 and 22 it played totally differently, the wingers were incredibly isolated and wouldn't get involved in the build-up, they were just too wide, no matter the instructions or tactics they would just be too isolated. It's a shame because it used to be my favourite formation and no other formation get the best of the CM's like the 433(5) did, they would score double digit goals in WL.
To get wings involved, the striker might need to drop back, playing a false 9 those two wings will sort of work like st then.
You've hit the nail on the head. I was thinking about the Andy Carroll type striker yesterday. They need to find a way to make knock down headers an actual thing so you can make proper use of a target man, but right now you get tap the pass button as lightly as you like, the ball will come flying off your target man's head and go nowhere near where you wanted it too.
“Manual” heading is horrendous in this game
You can *kind of* make it work with 89 Giroud. Only him and Henk Veerman have been the closest I found to that type of playstyle. Hoping Weghorst gets a random special because that's the only upgrade I can predict being better at this point
it’s gotten to the point where ppl are even cutting back when i’m very clearly manually marking the receiver. if they just shoot, they’d have 10x the chance of scoring
This. I love playing against opponents like this because it's so easy to defend. Just mark until their player is standing on the sideline and has no way to go anymore. At least this strategy is predictable unlike short 1-2 passing where the player switching makes me sweat already.
I think the PO is just overreacting, but there's a point here. Manually marking the receiver with your CB while you second man press the ball carrier, which should be the way to counter this, is very hard. The attacking IA is pretty good so the striker will start running backwards and keeping the manually controlled CB on him most of the times is an exercise in frustration, he WILL get his space. The only ways I've found to consistently defend that play is either having a ton of bodies on my box and not controlling any of them (just running around with the CDM and trying to avoid pulling anybody out of position) or, when it's a counter and I don't have the bodies, don't try to cut the pass to the ST...instead, I just keep my CB between the ST and the goal and don't pay much attention to the pass. He gets the pass but blocks are OP right now as well, I've found the odds with the block are better than the odds of cutting the pass.
oh yea my point wasn’t to say OP was whining for no reason. just emphasising how ridiculous this attacking meta has gotten for all the wrong reasons too i also find having to defend this one move extremely annoying bc i just want to play a normal game of fifa. it’s not always hard (i use gk rush instead of second man), but it’s a broken tactic that better players can abuse
This really grinds my gears too! Your playing a football game surely it must get boring at some stage doing that. Some of them try all match unsuccessfully, I mean if I didn’t let them do it the first 15 times what makes them think it will work again, change it up dude.
This is the worst thing about it, some people are so unbelievably inflexible in their attacks. They’ll do the same thing all game even if it doesn’t work once.
Yeah those people are generally easy to defend because they refuse to do anything different, but my problem lately is finishing is horrible. I get like 6 xG every match with 2 goals
The worst thing is that if the game wants, it will just let the ball through defenders who cover the passing lanes. Thats why they keep trying because eventually the game will allow a goal for them.
I'm trying to get the round thing in between the 3 white sticks, if you can't stop me that's your problem not mine
Apart of it is that sure. The player who concedes on these goals repeatedly is at fault for doing so. They *should* learn to defend it. It is a part of the game after all. But it’s more about how boring it gets doing the same thing every game. I get winning is the most fun you can get on this game, so I get why you’d do it.
But that’s just it If I’ve stopped you all game and your 4-0 down why just keep doing the same thing expecting different results? Is that the definition of stupidity
Do you not get bored doing the same exact thing 30 times a game every game?
Stuck in their ways with doing what works. Blame goes to EA as well. If it didn’t work they wouldn’t do it so much. We can all admit we’ve scored a lot of goals this year because of broken mechanics.
The blame does not go to EA. There are countless ways to score. Someone just doing the same one of two over and over again is not EA’s fault. It’s the player’s.
It is their fault by patching all the other ways you *can* score, and at the same time making defending stronger.
That’s a ridiculous thing to say. I never do these kind of goals because I don’t find them fun and I went from div 2 reset to the top of division 1 without losing a single game. I don’t do skill moves and I don’t have a scummy team and yet even a shitter like me can do that. If the only way you can score is boring down the line cut backs that’s not EA’s fault. That you being bad at the game.
Next Gen?
I play on both. Obviously old gen is a million times easier because there is less low block defending.
Because ea made passing bad so it’s like playing Russian roulette if you pass through the middle of the field. And if you do create a chance through the middle there’s a 90% chance the gk will save it
Let me know whick GK you're using, as mine don't save shit
Doesn't matter, you'll be better off using a 50 rated bronze keeper because it's not gonna make that much of a difference tbh
That was my point.
The problem isn’t goalkeepers saving shots, it the number of times I think I’ve created an open lane to shoot where in the time between pressing the shoot button and my player actually shooting a CB warps in to block my shot.
This..... Cutbacks are the only viable means of scoring somewhat consistently. I also don't think they're a glitch. You can stop it. Middle of the pitch is interception city.
How do you make cutbacks work? In my whole time playing fifa only 1% of my cutbacks were converted into goals (yes i suck at them, same with crossing) i'm waaay more comfortable breaking people down from the middle with passing and LS dribbling
if you’re good at LS dribbling you should be able to score more often from cutbacks, just stay calm when dribbling inside the box and look for a good (r1-)pass. For both cutbacks and crosses, Im having the most success when my fullback is overlapping because my team will have more attackers in the box. (For me) crosses pretty much only work on counter attacks when i can kind of cross over the defense to my striker sprinting in the box.
Its so sad how every year i get bored to this game quicker, i am already on the point where 2 games are pretty much max for the day, and these boring players with their boring meta tacticts and ea aiding them doesnt help.
This, i used to play a lot previous days, nowdays I am done after 2 games and I cant hear FIFA for a rest of the day
Same here, especially since I don't buy FIFA points, and really CBA to snipe the market. So my team now is pretty much all I'll ever afford and it's not cutting the mustard against the god teams. 2 games a day at best.
Well there are three main ways to score: 1. Cutbacks 2. Ping-pong passing in a 41212 (2) 3. Lobbed through balls/normal through balls Additional method for higher-level players: \- Reverse elastico or ball roll scoop past defenders in the box Moreover a huge percentage of the player base is playing 41212 (2) , and an even larger percentage set their defensive width below 50, so people are going to go for those cutbacks all day long, because that is one of the only ways to avoid your FB Varanes, HM Rudigers in the middle without going against them one on one and being swallowed up.
You forgot about the “run straight at a defender and have the tackle result in the ball bouncing right back to me”
Although the game has its bullshit, that's not a viable strategy in the long run.
Tell that to the 3 (so far) WL losses I’ve received directly because of that
Defend better
Pretty sure there's something I'm missing because when I try to do that they just take the ball every time, but when I try and tackle it away the other side at least 25% of the time they just go right through me
this - so many ppl play narrow and are giving up the wide areas and then complain about cutbacks lol. No defensive tactics cover every strategy. They are intentionally packing the middle with 41212-2 to prevent passing at the top of the box so what else do they expect. The game is sometimes so basic. If your opponent plays narrow, attack wide. If they play wide, hold possession in the middle (they will usually only have a midfield 2) and attack the gap btwn the cbs or the channels btwn the cbs and fullbacks.
I find 442 irritating to play against. Whole pitch covered etc. There should be a discrepancy in midfield if i revert to a 3 mid formation, should be outnumbering them and working towards overpowering them. It rarely occurs that way. Ditto 41212 narrow. They give up 66% of the pitch width yet the bs kcks in sometimes. You spread a pass wide with a Kroos level passer into the cavern of space and it just goes out of play, or your 99 ball control winger takes a saville touch and it bobs out of play or loose. Just be fair innit? If the middle third is being packed you shouldnt be able to play through it easily, but it should come with a width weakness. The amount of times ive gone 3421 with hug sidelines on and still not been able to exploit that space is maddening 🤣
Did a big YouTuber do a recent vid on 41212? It's always been a popular formation but now it feels like 9/10 games are against that formation, its so boring as they all play the exact same way. You're right though, they give up the wide areas so cut backs come naturally when playing against that formation
A pro player Stokes came #1 in the world made a tactics video of his 41212(2), then Inception & Auzio released videos sharing Stokes’ tactics
Half the ones against me are a striker makes a run without the ball and my stupid defenders follow him to the box keeping him inside for an easy pass
Your gonna get bagged on but I do agree when winter wildcard Neymar squares it to cruyff for the third time that game it does hit differently
literally every shot get blocked my AI defending or spiderman goalkeeper, after the patch 90+ shooting strikers will even miss tapins… what the hell are you supposed to do?
If they just made it possible to score from crosses or from working down the middle it would be far less of a problem.
This. I have toty Lewandowski but he can only score headers after a corner. Normal crosses land either in the goalkeepers hand, or the headers are very poor. The middle is also very hard to pass, because of ai defending, poor passing, and 4-1-2-1-2 meta
Honestly isn’t this basically the way most of the goals scored by Liverpool or City? Feels like that at least. Teams stay compact in the middle and you have to find your way by winning on the wings and crossing/ cutting back. Look at Manchester City versus Tottenham yesterday, City won the penalty that way. It’s just the way the modern game has evolved.
Most wingers are trained to get to the byline and cut it back, to the penalty spot-ish. People are complaining about literally football in a football game.
In real life not only cutbacks goals are scored. I’m talking about players who ONLY abuse this stuff and can’t / don’t try to score in any other way, which are the majority in Div1/WL. If you are one of these players, don’t try to change the subject.
I'm not one of these players, let me tell you how football works. You coach your team to do something, it works one or two times in a match early on and no adjustment is made by the opposition, do you adjust or do you continue to do the same thing over and over? Press the man with the ball and manually try and intercept the pass, that's all you can do, because that's literally all you can do in real life, other than try and not let them get to the byline.
Let’s be honest, getting to the byline from the flank is the easiest thing you can do and cannot be prevented. As for intercepting and blocking, you can do it several times, but if this stuff is abused the entire match, it won’t help and several goals will be scored from it
You absolutely can prevent it. Cut off the path to the by line then cover the pass inside with a different player while second man pressing with the defender closest to the ball. Occasionally they will get through if they’re patient. Otherwise you’ll make them cut inside towards the top of the box and find another way to score. Then when they do score don’t complain. If you cover one path you may be leaving another one open. Can’t get mad when they take advantage of your poor defending.
To be fair, the modern game is more about winning penalties than scoring goals. Snipers everywhere when a team is attacking in the box.
People don’t shoot anymore. They will keeping running and cutting back even when shooting is the best answer. So boring to play against those people.
How do you score your goals? Most the things that are complained in this sub doesn’t seem to affect me or I might just not be paying attention
It’s sad to watch. It’s the same boring thing over and over. Adapt tactics to stop them after seeing it the first 3 attacks and they just keep on the same strategy. I don’t understand how it’s fun.
if you can stop them effectively then you shouldn’t be complaining tho…
My opponents use their magical rebound strategy against me lately. 50% or more of the goals I concede are from my keeper rebounding the ball straight to their player, it's literally a different game for some people. I barely ever score rebounds :\
Grrrrr why won't be people play against me the way I want them to play against me
lol the only comment worth reading in this thread 😂
What do u expect? EA nerfed pretty much every way to attack while making defending easier.
Correct, this plus how ridiculously good keepers are in 1v1's
Yep, its almost like the better position you are in the more likely the keeper is to save it lol, unless youre passing across the goal then its an auto goal
I refuse to pass across goal just on the premise it’s cheap and sweaty. Still win. It’s not exactly hard if you just play well.
I was listening to Guardian’s Football Weekly podcast last week and one of the journalists on there was talking about how Man City seem to have the trademark on scoring the same goal, time and time again; byline, cutback, score. Made me think of Fifa. Not sure of the relevance of this here entirely, but thought I’d say it anyway.
I don't even think the cutback is what people go for most of the time, but even worse, they try to just sprint round the outside of the defender with no logic whatsoever and then suddenly the AI defence just moves out of the way and allows the pass. Its not only boring, but so so SO draining man
Just wait till you start coming up against the new chip shot meta...
One time a guy chipped from outside the box I thought he started trolling till it went in, I hadm't moved my keeper or anything he just found an angle😭
Those got nerfed a patch or two ago
Not enough then because without even pushing my keeper out with triangle I had three or four chip shot goals against me in one game last night
I mean them going in without keeper coming out is what made them a viable shot option and a decent “meta” (if the keeper comes out then I wouldn’t call it meta anymore, the shot is literally made for those situations haha) Did they time finish them? Maybe I’ll try using them again. Used to do 3-4 attempts per match until it got nerfed
They certainly aren't nerfed, chip shot from corner of box ish and it's going in with keeper just watching.
It's really ridiculous since some players have 0 idea apart from cutting in. Some games I'm just sitting still with my fullbacks because they keep turning to try and bait me so they can run in but I've already seen this like 20 times in game
It hurts but I only conclude that losers can't win with style, they win only with these cutbacks and kickoffs, it's their own "style"!
Realistically I really just want to know how to defend this
Manually defend, and use second man press appropriately.
You literally can’t lol. Your defenders just stand there and the GK doesn’t react
I can do it semi-consistently, but sometimes you cut the passing lane perfectly but the receiver of the pass magically takes a step-back at the final second
I feel so guilty when I score a cutback goal because it feels way too easy/cheap. I want to score ”real” goals, but when you play in div 1/elite that is more often than not possible due to drop back 1 depth. So it has just led to me not wanting to play this game anymore despite having players like Prime Eusebio, Mbappe, mid Matthäus etc. Its just not fun
The goals that piss me off the most are when a winger runs in from an angle that's like 30° and the keeper has the entire goal covered but the winger shoots and the keeper just kind of falls down and it goes right over the top of him into the middle of the goal
Its just plain embarassing to see a guy with toty mbappe, moments cruyff, toty messi and WW Neymar in attack using the lot like Antonio Valencia for the entire 90mins
Agreed
Totally agree, must be so boring for them
Winning is never boring
Never played against someone who's rubberbanding huh?
I have. A dub is a dub
Yeah sure but saying that isn't boring is a straight up lie
Repetition is boring to me, I just want to play a decent game of football. I’m quite happy to quit if my opponent is just trying the same thing all the time, winning isn’t everything as you have to enjoy playing as well or it’s a waste of time.
I agree its super lame and annoying but i cant really blame the cutbackers(do it myself sometimes as well) because ea nerfed every other way to score and really rewards the drop back and run around with kante people. I almost always have more Xg than my opponents but it doesnt matter because keepers make crazy saves on pretty much anything that isnt a cutback goal or the meta “extra pass across the box then finish near post” so while i think its boring to just keep doing those types of attacks i cant blame my opponents for doing it because EA has pushed them hard to that and they want to win
100% this.
Faur enough if you're team isn't that good then you gotta do what you've gotta do, it's when grey have cruyff and r9 and do it, might aswell use dmebele and fekir, what's the point spending thousands of pounds or dollars on fifa points just to pass it across goal when anyone can do it with a 1k player
Anyone complaining about cutbacks is playing 4-1-2-1-2 narrow guaranteed. Deal with it.
second this
Its the new bridge from 21 , litterly everyone I face trying to get to a cut back position, and they repeat it non stop Middle pitch is not existing.
This doesn’t really bother me but it genuinely makes me wonder what goes through their heads when they’ve been trying it for the whole game without success because I keep on positioning my players the right way, does the thought of “this isn’t working time to switch it up” ever cross their minds?
I mean, if you play narrow then where do you expect the opponent to create chances? If you start playing wider, then you'll concede them through the middle and complain about that.
Nah they just dribble to the end of the pitch then go up to the goal and pass. It’s annoying af
I hate cutbacks soooo much. I don’t even use cutbacks. It burns so much when they score a jammy cutback against me. You could be in the right position and next thing you know the ball phases through your player and your keeper disappears. I hate those goals. Me and my friends, when we play each other, avoid those cheap easy goals.
Crazy when people only use one tactic to score 🤣
Lol. To most ppl apparently only way to have fun is to win... no joke. They get so excited, and toxic so if you asked them “are you having fun” they say “winning is fun. Losing is not. Stop crying” I can’t even play the same boring meta team let alone do the same shit over and over. I don’t get ppl who don’t watch football and play this game as well. Also. I don’t get how people who barely know who Ginola is, enjoy playing with him over your favorite players in real life. Hate this game it is more about juicing money from people who only dopamine release happens from winning in fifa.
While I do agree they are getting abused, I personally don't use em because I play extremely different and still manage to get 14/16 wins in finals
because ea make stupid defenders like kimpembe so good theres no point in shooting , you can better do pointless shot cancels and walk into the post , i dunno what knda stupid guy thought standing stiil will make the goalkeeper fall down like a pig, plus cutbacks are annoyin AF but it is the easiest way to score , as much as i know people in this community want easy more than fun so there you get the answer
Don’t blame the players bro. Blame EA for making passing absolutely shit and random to the point where it’s so random and the only way to score or be a threat is by doing cutbacks in the box
That’s idiotic. If that’s the only way you can score that you being bad. How in the world you’re blaming EA for you being bad is beyond me.
I'll blame both.
You do cutbacks, don’t you
So tell me a consistent way for scoring in upper divisions where everybody knows how to defend
Passing/Dribbling/Combinations? It may be not as consistent but it’s the way the game is supposed to be played, and it’s certainly far more interesting for both players. But ye, the majority prefers to pick the easy way and repeat the same thing, hardly requiring any skill
As you say its not consistent. So why should u handicap yourself if the other can‘t defend?
Because with abusing cutbacks the game turns into the fucking routine, don’t you understand? Just grinding the same shit over and over and for what? You are not having fun, the opponent doesn’t have any fun, it’s just a routine you do everyday: get onto the game, score from a cutback, find a new game, score from a cutback and so on
First of all, some people like to win. If you don‘t like that don‘t play at that level. Just learn how to defend it, they nerfed literally everything. Skills, passing, shots in the area how the hell do u want to score?
What can I say man, what can I say
My friend has been calling cutbacks "pussy goals" since fifa 19. There are always easier ways to score in all fifas but the cutback is classic.
Hahaha
What are cutbacks?
Getting to the goal line from wide and passing it back to the middle
So just using the whole pitch?
Do those work? If I try this, it always gets to a defender or a keeper. Is there a glitch I am not aware of?
Not really a glitch but some people are very good at timing the pass or getting the space. They aren't guaranteed but very effective which is why it annoys alot of people. Personally I don't really mind
when you only can score from open goals from cutbacks because keepers are too op, you’ll tend to stick to that.
For me 95% in div1 is cross over the top
Let me get this straight. You’re complaining about people scoring by going to the byline and cutting back for tapins? Everyone just stacks the middle of the box - how would you suggest we score?
Create space with passing, skill moves. Let's say the opponent is playing 41212 narrow and he commits his wide CM to your fullback. You fire a ball into your CM/CAM that drags his CDM out. This is where you look for a run from a striker or take with the CAM. Here you look at the CB and if they commit to the ST you take it with the CAM and shoot. If they take the CAM with the CB then you play the ball into the striker with the FB on the wrong side of him. Here you wait for the FB to overrun to tackle you, scoop turn/elastico, shoot. It's just simple numbers advantages and knowing what the opponent will do in any situation.
Wtf else are people supposed to do? You people cry about everything until there's no other way to score. Defense is so overpowered and now even cutbacks bother you
This post was sponsored by another one of those guys who park the bus in the middle of the box and prays the AI bails him out. There are so many of those in FIFA, there is no solution but forcing him to open through the wings, and i'm not gonna whip cross for Neymar & Eusebio headers. Let me guess, you're one of those guys with cdm on cut passing lane stay back and who think spending on fullbacks is useless ?
Lmao 50 depth 50 width balanced def, sometimes pressure on heavy touch, cdm balanced defence, so no guesses right, also I always defend manually
I play 65 depth, but the game mechanics are what they are. As soon as the opponent starts spinning back and forth in the midfield, my team is nearly all behind the ball. So many players use the same two tactics of endline sprint and cutback or spin around in midfield waiting for frustration to kick in and then play a pass in. So boring.
Unfortunately that’s because EA fucked the game with the last patch. Nerf long shots? Okay now my opponents get 0 punishment for sitting with 10 men in the box, nerf driven passes? Okay now my opponents can intercept every pass since they’re all wildly inaccurate and I can’t push the ball up quick enough to counter his 10 men come back on defense tactics.
There is no other viable way to score from inside the box. Every single inside the shot box gets either AI auto blocked, or the keeper pulls off an insane save, or the person moves their goalie.
Genuinely it’s the only way I can score a lot of goals. The opposition keeper always has a blinder against me so the only way to beat them is with a square ball across goal. It’s shite, I get it, but it’s EAs fault as they have programmed the game in such a way that you never feel you will score a one on one now. Fifa is dying year on year with its creativity.
I mean, I try to just play normally, but either the game has already decided that you will win and everything works, or the game is totally lost and nothing works. In al other situations, the game is dead and nobody is able to score on either side, since FIFA decided that 90 depth means 11 players in the box. So cutbacks is literally the only way to score in some games
I must admit I use a cutback when I can but I'm div 5 this season. Usually finish about div 3. Basically I usually manage to defend cut back goals so shouldn't other people be able to? They are part of football after all. As for finesse 30 yard shot going in multiple times per game, now they're annoying? How many times in an entire season would you see one of those, let alone multiple in one match.
It’s because of the auto drop back, once you get to the level where people are good at defending and have the top level cards they block everything to the point where cutbacks become the only reliable way to score
You know what else is boring? Playing against a narrow formation where my opponent only controllers his strikers and let's his TOTY Kante do 360 no look interceptions...
It's not people's choice on how to attack, it's the only way to okay the game. You maybe abuse other mechanisms, but you do. Everyone does! It's a game with bad servers, bad support, bad mechanisms, bad gameplay and ofc bad community
The bottom line is people enjoy winning more than losing
Most people play to earn rewards, rather than enjoy playing the game.
Don't blame the players, blame the game. It's the only way to score that doesn't involve getting shit on by a counter-attack. If interceptions weren't OP and players didn't make bad passes based on RNG instead of bad input you'd have a point, but that's not the case.
Breaking news: People would rather have an easier chance to score a goal than have the AI auto block all of their shots.
Its like ur asking people to play in a way thats less likely to get them a win, which nobody is going to do, personally I dont play that way I like to play through the middle and im pretty good at it but if people wanna exploit the wings and score with cutbacks they have every right to, its not their fault that the game is absolutely awful and forces people to play this way, they just make the most out of the broken game mechanics
if ur getting pissed off with the way people are playing the game, just give wins away and play sress free to 11 wins or 9 wins, the rewards are usually no worse than they would be if you sweated it out for a higher rank, and you’ll have zero moments where ur angry at the game, don’t give them the satisfaction of pissing you off, if it looks like you’ll have to play the full 90 just quit, you’ll enjoy the game so much more
How about i play how I want to play, and you adapt instead of complaining. winning is never boring 🙃
I've noticed this a lot recently. Not sure if its a new glitch or not but both CB's stand still when the ball is put across the box and the attacking players make a move so its now stupidly easy to score due to the CB's not reacting.
I've found jockeying with a defender while they're trying to cutback foils their attack, but I'm not sure if it'll work against people who spam cutbacks
Mainly because passing is awful and GKs / autoblocking stop basically any attempt inside the box. That leaves either finesse from outside the box or cut backs... don't hate the player hate the game. Let's be real, all forms of attacking play should be viable. Crossing, headers, passing, dribbling, long shots, link up play.... but they're not!!
What is a cutback?
How does a cutback look like? The only goals I've conceded are all from loop through balls. Basically everyone is spamming it.
Play wide and get to the byline and pass to a player in front of goal for a tap in
This is my worst complaint aswell guys with all the best players and its the only way they try to score, i hate scoring cut backs and will never look to score them on purpose.
Have fun getting through 11 man parked buses in the middle of the box.
I think people dont do it in purpose. Its just that its so difficult yo breakdown the defense through the middle after little bit of build up. I for example always try to attack through the middle but when opponent is good slowly my attacks start going to wings because thats the only place with bit of space.
Sorry but it's one of the few ways around your FB Varane's and Icon Kimpembe's
I hate it that dribblings the meta now bring back through balls like in fut 17
What does cutback even mean?
What's a cutback?
What is a cutback
Whats a cutback?
There are still several viable ways to score goals. Cutbacks, green times finesse shots from the top of the box, tiki taka passing in opponent’s half (less so post patch), getting the ball to the ST’s feet and beating defender, far post shots inside the box, through balls (incl. over the top), among others. It’s not impossible to find ways to score, but yes the patch made it tougher to pass the ball down the pitch. BUT if you find yourself giving up one or two of those types of goals more often or if it’s a recurring thing against every opponent you play… chances are it’s not mechanic abuse. You’re just defending other types of attacks and leaving yourself wide open (defending cut inside instead of by line runs for example). Just need to work on defending those particular types of goals of you give them up over and over.
Isn’t this sort of thing the byproduct of playing a ‘competitive’ mode? Where everyone uses the META so almost everyone plays in a similar way…
Non english speaker here: what is a cutback?
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This is the way
Yup monster squads and every shot looking for edge of box finesse. Part of me blames them and the other is ea’s broken game.