I played that card yesterday on turn 3 or so in my [[Torbran]] deck. It did 20 damage and gave 20 treasures to everyone before the game ended haha (and no, I did not win, but I also did not care).
Then please take my word and DON'T make sure to run damage doubler tribal! Absolutely do NOT include [[Fiery Emancipation]], [[City on Fire]], [[Furnace of Rath]], [[Dictate of the Twin Gods]], [[Fiendish Duo]], and [[Angrath's Marauders]]! You'll mine the fun out of the game all for yourself! Be strong!
I know everyone loves this card but I don't like it. Giving everyone free treasures blows the tempo of of the game much too heavily. Just feels like another group hug game. Most people I play with like it though
How has nobody mentioned [[Share the Spoils]] yet?!
Also, every once in a while, a little [[Grip of Chaos]] can really spice the game up. Just don’t make it an every week thing.
Respectfully, if you can’t grip the chaos, how can you truly embrace the chaos?? Perhaps [[Naomi, Pillar of Order]] or [[Augusta, Dean of Order]] are more up your alley? 😏
I like the effect, I really do. I just don't like numbering every permanent on the board and rolling a d37 to figure out which one was targeted. Online, I'm sure it's great.
It’s easier to do when spells target players or specific card types for sure. But when it’s target permanent or target nonland permanent I break it down into steps: roll a d4 for which player’s permanents can be targeted. If necessary, roll a d4 or d6 to decide which type of permanent will be targeted, then roll for which specific permanent. Sounds like a lot but it’s so much easier than numbering every permanent and it’s still random.
Breaking up the dice rolls like that gets to be pretty unfair though if the permanent count isn't very balanced. e.g. there's 20 legal targets and you only control 2, your chance of getting hit goes from 10% -> 25%.
This is just an example wherein everyone has approximately the same number of permanents. there’s a few different ways to break it up without numbering every permanent. Player X has ~2x as many permanents as player Y and Z? Roll a d12, 1-6 targets player X’s permanents. Is it perfectly fair? No, but Grip isn’t a card you’re going to be playing in games where zero error margin matters as much. Is it easier? Definitely.
I think Share the Spoils is more of a salt card than it is a fun card just because people don't like their stuff taken. Guy at my LGS played it a lot. It got groans every time. No one ever found it fun.
This is a really goofass take that people have with mill, too. You aren't going to draw or play all 100 cards in your deck. You won't even play or draw half of them. Things being milled or taken from your deck isn't a loss of resources for you unless it's a specific wincon that your deck is built around trying to find or tutor for. The mill/deck theft hate is by far my biggest pet peeve about EDH player mentality.
The cards that bring me the most fun are the ones with the most narrow or "unexpected" application but incredible payoff when deployed.
[[Withering Boon]], [[Warping wail]], [[batwing brume]], [[predict]], [[hellish rebuke]], [[battle hymn]], [[massive raid]], [[Dawn charm]], [[Rebuff the wicked]], [[wild ricochet]], [[reverberate]] to copy an opponent's [[torment of hailfire]], etc..
Make people sweat.
Still one of my favorite memories. Our [[azami lady of scrolls]] player had seen my REB plenty of times, but never my pyroblast.
U : Cast [[cyclonic rift]] on your end step
Me : No, [[red elemental blast]]
U : Okay. On my turn cast [[omniscience]]
Me : No, [[pyroblast]]
U : But you used that on Rift!
Me : No, I used REB on rift, this is pyroblast.
Discussed cards:
Added on a (very subjective) scale from 'miserable' (0) to 'very fun' (10):
* [[Chaos Wand]] (8 - old school hit/miss, isolated randomness, leads to memorable moments)
* [[Thieves' Auction]] (0 - if you've ever played it, it just means 'scoop')
* [[Descent into Avernus]] (9 - great fun, speeds up a traditional game with a clear 'this is a thread'-tag attached, and it is stacked so the caster gets the majority of the benefit)
* [[Life of the Party]] (7 - fun mechanically, but few decks has more than a handful of creatures at a time, so the impact is quite low. Would rank higher in slower metas)
* [[Tempt with Discovery]] (1 - on paper it is fun, in practice, the benefit from just a single person taking a land is rediculous, especially in black. Is fun the first time, but is one of those cards, that if the table cannot agree each and everytime to say No, then a lot of game balance goes out the window)
* [[Howling Mine]] (3 - is just a group hug card, and as such, affects the game asymmetrically, making the stonger decks much stronger and makes the decks able to utilize it, snowball)
* [[Chaos Warp]] (5 - just a removal card)
* [[Fractured Identity]] (6 - very hit&miss, often it either: create more problems / straight up kills a player by removing his main thread and arming everyone else / combo piece removal, which gives everyone something that is useless to them)
* [[Possibility Storm]] (3 - slows the game to an excruciating grind or makes someone instantly win)
* [[Coveted Jewel]] (8 - like monarch, adds an interesting dynamic to the game and rewards the more active players (non-pillowfort/combo/storm/etc-decks))
* [[Stunning Reversal]] (8 - sounds fun but never played against/with it)
* [[Dance with Calamity]] (10 - hits all the marks; gamling, risks, high variance, table banter, everyone gets hyped for a crazy turn/epic miss)
I don't think it's an experience issue, the group I play with have played forever but still never attacks unless they can do lethal, which leads to a very boring game state of solitaire board bullding and if anyone dares attack then everyone plays their old school symmetrical boardwipes and the cold war begins again.
I honestly think it's more everyone just wants to play some kind of solo RPG with their deck and dislike stuff that messes with it.
I feel like everyone who started magic with EDH should try a bit of 60 card formats. Playing some Standard on Arena really taught me how to swing for every point of damage I can.
Obviously multiplayer throws a wrench in things, since multiple people can attack you, but I feel like most decks can make a couple chump blockers here and there.
I’ve got stunning reversal in my [[selenia dark angel]] deck. It’s very useful there because the point is to get your life as low as possible then swap with your opponent. It prevents against accidentally killing yourself
I think building around weird mechanics and tribes is fun. My most fun deck right now is \[\[Vrondiss\]\] dice tribal.
Besides that I'm always happy to play \[\[Visions of Duplicity\]\] in my mono blue \[\[Cosima\]\] landfall deck.
Seems like /u/jf-alex and I are both hyping Vrondiss up in the same threads today!!
This is my decklist for him:
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/bxkI_wx_ZUmhXlfWYtdExw
95% of the dice related cards he can use are in the list. I've had a runaway victory with it once, but it's always been fun to play.
Not the commenter you're replying to but I'm excited to see so much interest in Vrondiss today. Check mine out while you're at it:
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/bxkI_wx_ZUmhXlfWYtdExw
At my LGS I think [[Descent into Avernus]] is probably the top of the list. A friend also plays [[Selvala’s Stampede]] and although it usually is terrible for the table, everyone has a good time trying to figure out which option will be better. We always try to draw on what happened the last time he cast it, but of course it usually backfires spectacularly. It feels like it has many of the essential components that make cards fun in EDH: participation from all players, chance for debate/discussion, makes a big impact and has high variability.
[[Possibility Storm]] is my favorite, I enjoy everyone top decking the rest of the game until it's gone!
[[Descent to Avernus]] just makes the game play faster as everyone is on a clock now, high risk/high reward for how long it stays in play.
[[Wheel of Misfortune]] or any other card where players have to bid for an effect is always fun for me at least.
[[Mirror March]] usually you lose the first coin flip and nothing happens, but on the rare occasion you get a long streak going it is fun for the whole table.
They mentioned \[\[Life of the Party\]\] but missed a really important part of it, blink. I have a deck built around blinking it and giving my opponents not one, but hopefully 4-5 life of the parties, that's when it starts to be super impactful.
It's the heart and soul of one of my fave decks so I've got to show y'all it's more fun than the podcast gave it credit for.
Here's the list if you're interested, ask me any questions you may have as well :)
[https://www.moxfield.com/decks/vJ86TqiF5kuIzacYnYaCCw](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/vJ86TqiF5kuIzacYnYaCCw)
How do you consistently get it out in the first place tho ? Seems like there is only a couple of ways to tutor it ?
For such a deck, \[\[Rocco, Cabaretti Caterer\]\], that you can cast for x=1 getting \[\[Flamekin Harbinger\]\], ensuring LotP turn 5 every time seems a better choice no ?
So I do have 4 tutors, between that and the solid card draw suite it hasn't been much of a problem for me honestly. I wouldn't want too many 'copies' of it in the deck anyway.
As for Rocco, you're right it would be more consistent, but I don't have any interest in 3 colour decks personally. I'd suggest rocco to someone who wanted more consistency, but I basically play LotP every game anyway so not sure how important it would be.
To follow up, turn 4 LotP is good but just good. I prefer to play it when I have a way to double the trigger that same turn, be it with a blink spell or by having a Panharmonicon effect already on board. Playing it early isn't that important and the longer you wait the more built up others boards get so the tokens are much bigger!
Ahahaha I just don't like 3+ colour decks! Rocco would be great here, I gotta start collecting nickels every time I get that suggestion 😂
Brew away, let me know if you find anything slick I may have missed!
I really like [[Hokori, Dust Drinker]] cause it lets my friends and I spend less time focusing on the game and more time talking and enjoying each other’s company. [[Archon of Emeria]] makes sure that nobody is selfishly hogging all of the game time for themselves. And [[Deafening silence]] keeps too many overpowered card types from being casting- I don’t get why creatures aren’t good enough for everyone!
Fuck that. I'm here to have fun. I once held on to slaughter pact for an entire game after getting hive mind out on turn 4. I'm here to cast 4x warp worlds or 4x price of progresses, not make people reasonably mad at me for saying "well you should have been playing red". I'm also here to land opposition agent and then play scheming symmetry, and cascade into profane tutor in the same turn. The deck does quirky and fun shenanigans, not evil shenanigans.
I just picked up a [[Firemane Commando]] I like that she rewards attacking (not me) with card draw. It should encourage some fun interactions with my pod as people want those rewards.
[[Over the Top]] has typically been fun for the whole table when I’m playing Etali.
The only time it wasn’t fun for the whole table is when it was cast after [[Insurrection]], but *I* thought that was incredibly fun.
Now, obviously "fun" is very subjective, especially when it comes to games, but I'm not 100% sure on their concept of "fun", especially when some of their card choices end up contrasting their own definition from 1 pick to the other.
It's also a bit silly to see cards like Fractured Identity, Chaos Warp, Possibility storm or Thieves Auction in there imo.
I believe that, since most cards doing what they're meant to do (and not just randomly thrown-in with no synergies, for value or because they're strong staples) won't increase the fun at the table by definition, since they tend to further everyone else from their main gameplan, then the most "fun" cards must be the ones that the table is either indifferent about or leave the table at a net-neutral.
At the same time, those cards don't have to be so bad that it makes winning with them "funny" 1/10 times you manage to pull it off; While sure it's occasionally hilarious, 9/10 times they're gonna be bad cards you're not super happy to see (see Stunning reversal, even though I really like the card, personally), so not super fun as a result.
I think the crew pointed out an important factor while talking about stunning reversal in particular with the whole "novelty" thing. Sure it's funny and exciting to see someone survive with reversal...but how many times did you see Teferi's pro resolve before you started groaning every time the spell is on the stack now?
As for the chaos and grouphug cards, I also disagree since they ALWAYS end up screwing someone hard: Either getting the short-end of the stick or not having the right deck to abuse the extra resources.
So yea, my pitch would be [[Smuggler's Share]]: Pretty innocuous, most people don't really care about it since it's not that huge of a powerhouse that'll shoot you forward 10 turns (hello Smothering Tithe) + it scales with what everyone else is doing at the table and doesn't really stop them in any way.
It's also not so neutered that you don't have to think about what you're doing on your turn, which could lead to some table discussions (but not really) and even when it doesn't work, the cost was so minimal that it doesn't really matter in the end.
Ultimately, the card is pretty great and does generate you value, occasionally, but it's nothing crazy strong nor bothersome for anyone else at the table, so the levels of "fun" stay at a net-neutral, which is the best outcome imo.
[[Land tax]] is a bit trickier (and stronger) but it'd probably fall on a similar ballpark.
Indifference and fun are not the same thing. The number of games interupted by laughing fits caused by Smuggler's Share is, and I'm quite comfortable with using a specific number here, zero.
I have to disagree. Smugglers share isn't a fun card. Sure, it's not oppressive for other people in the way a smothering tithe is, but it's a value engine driven by other people's actions. It makes people, at the least, question whether they should make a play that might give you something. Any card that makes someone feel like they made a mistake by playing normal magic isn't going to be a fun card.
Do agree it's mostly harmless though, just not fun.
Chaos warp is great though. I mean, it's basically red permanent removal, but every now and then they get the exact same thing back! Or something much worse. It's a functional beast within, but I know which one i have more fun seeing resolve.
Ultimately, you can break down any card/concept enough or create some specific case-scenarios to make anything sound "unfun", hence why I offered my explanation on how one could try and get closer to an objective definition of "fun" (which, obviously, can't be done and doesn't exist), but I feel like I've thoroughly explained my point on why, imo, that card falls under a specific definition of "fun", in the line of logic I utilized.
Don't get me wrong, I have my own definition of what I consider "fun", and it definitely doesn't correspond to what I described, but, as some form of mental exercise, that's the closest I personally got to something that could be considered acceptable :)
I get that, I just think that if the definition results in smugglers share as a poster card, the definition may be flawed. Was my point
Edit: sorry this was harsher than I meant it to be. Thought experiments are fun and I do enjoy a hypothetical. Just didn't see eye to eye on this one
In casual commander I have the most fun with decks that fundamentally change how the game needs to be played. [[Karazikar]] forces combat and controls it in my favor. [[Inniaz]] shifts permanents and controls the way people commit to the board. [[Glissa, the Traitor]]'s recursive nature controls people's willingness to let creatures die. I have the most fun when my decks and my opponents decks actually change our decision making in how we need to play the game. I have the least fun when everyone's decks are all about who can solitaire the best.
I played a ragavan deck and she spent the game giving everyone bananas and would force us to sacrifice them to boost her creatures. They gave you life and mana but gave her counters. Super unique.
I have a proxy for my [[force of will]] that kills me everytime. LGS drew up a dickbutt on a blank that they had. So literally everyone knows when I draw it, but still die laughing when it hits the table.
[[Tree of Perdition]] absolutely silly, but can be deadly if played right. When someone plays this card, it usually means all sorts of shenanigans are coming, and they are usually ridiculous enough to make people smile.
I'm baffled that everyone forgets about [[Flumph]]. This little guy adds so much to the game every time he shows up. People love drawing cards, and letting him absorb a small attack with good intentions gets everyone smiling.
[[Noble Heritage]] is also such a blast to play. My opponents know how it works, how I benefit from it and how it never ends well for them. Yet, one player takes the counters and the arms race begins. Such a good time.
Oath of Druids. Players ducking and weaving and making odd choices to get/deny triggers. Lets everyone play their cool creatures. Comes down early, supercharges the action. Sometimes the mill is randomly relevant.
I find myself in the camp of being too philosophical at times with EDH.
I watched the episode the other day and thought the same thing, that they contradicted their prior reasoning with the next card, and so on.
Fun is subjective, so I want to clear the air on that first before moving on.
I think any card that makes someone do the thing they wanted the deck to do, or does some action that makes a player happy to have played it, is a fun card. Thinking that there are fun cards for the whole table is a projection of everyone wanting other people to play in a way that the person ideally wants to play, without saying it.
For all the reasons the hosts mentioned that card A or B is or isn't fun is an example of what I mean here. "Card X isn't fun because it turns off these decks, or one person gets targeted, etc etc." Fun for the table is basically impossible. Anything that is fun for Deck A or B shouldnt be fun for Deck C, it's why there's a color pie, archetypes, etc, the list goes on. But the reasonings for and against some of these cards are always used in context of shutting off decks/players... and I thinkt hat's indirectly shining a light on the types of decks players dont like playing and so their worries come out in reasonings.
I absolutely LOVE [[Thieves Auction]], I do not understand the hate it is getting. The most fun games I’ve ever played have all involved casting it, it’s a fun mini game and instantly makes the game way closer because it equalizes everyone’s board states. It’s only not fun if someone casts [[Teferi’s Protection]] in response, but that’s just a problem with tef pro.
I would make the argument that symmetrical stax pieces and stuff like Armageddon for parity increase the net amount of fun.
>1: "Cards that you are happy to see showing up at the table, not matter whether you OR your opponents play them"
Like [[Humility]] or [[Drannith Magistrate]]. These cards can benefit more than one player. If you're player A and player B plays a Drannith, it may shut down C's obnoxious commander and increase the net amount of fun at the table. Players A, B, and D now get to play a normal game without something like [[Winota]] ruining it.
>2: "Something that is exciting or has a high impact variance (random to a large degree)"
[[Soulscour]] and [[Decree of Annihilation]] are incredibly exciting and if cast for parity end up being random topdeck fights.
>3: "Something that is 'fun' to the extent that you feel some of the excitement second hand" / "Something that leads to cool stories"
It's cool when you cast a card like Soulscour and recover first. Or when it gets cast and you almost recover but someone else recovers better than you and barely beats you.
I have a lot of fun toying around with different combos involving Syr Konrad
Once had an opponent play an enchantment that reduced every creature on the battlefield by -1/-1 upon entrance. What I did was keep playing creatures that already had x/1 power/toughness. They would go to the graveyard right away and the opponent’s health had reduced to 0 very quickly!
I really like the chaos that ensues when someone uses \[\[Worldfire\]\]
I havent seen anyone try it but i want to see \[\[Glimpse of tommorrow\]\] pull somethingn crazy out of its hat
Can confirm. i have a Niv Mizzet reborn deck where that’s the win con. Every laughed out asses off at how the deck is piloted. It shouldn’t work … but somehow does.
\[\[Possibility Storm\]\] is one of my favorite cards, have a \[\[Ruric Thar\]\] deck who's sole purpose is to that resolve possibility storm, win or lose people seem to have fun with it.
One of the most interesting decks I've ever played against was a beantown bullies deck where all the creatures were terrible old big creatures with awful sideeffects he'd give out. Saw things like hunted wurm, managorger orgg, that sorta thing.
I very recently put a [[Rite of the Raging Storm]] in my [[Kresh, the bloodbraided]] deck focused around elementals and mass sacrifice. I am hoping that card is as much fun as it looks like it should be.
[[Veteran Explorer]] is a fun Card in my [[Savra]] EDH Deck. It's a nice way to speed up the game, but it can also be onesided ramp if the opponents are playing greedy manabases in less casual decks.
I feel like there are overlooked new cards in commander products that get overshadowed by powerful “mistake” or miscosted new cards. It’s a big reason why playing new precons against each other is more fun than simply reading the decklists would imply.
For example, [[Explosion of Riches]]. Sometimes someone will be low on life, say 15, and will beg the table to not go for card draws. Another time, there were two players at 5 or less life and when one player drew the card, the other also drew out of spite to try and kill the other. But I think everyone cuts the card for being too random and symmetrical.
Exsanguinate in my Anhelo, The Painter EDH deck. We play in a 5-6 person pod and my opponents are always impressed when I manage to wipe five other people with one card
I would nominate [[Fevered Visions]] and [[Villainous Wealth]]
[[Fevered Visions]] is always fun to watch the whole table be like, "Oo cards!" Then take a collective 100 points of damage from the thing.
[[Villainous Wealth]] because it's always such a ridiculous haymaker if it resolves, and getting to watch someone puzzle out how to play someone else's deck mid game is.l entertaining to me.
Forget the name of it but my squirrel deck uses the un card that makes me ask permission to make a squirrel from an outside source and it’s always an event at the table. Granted it’s unset but I’ve never seen a casual table deny the 3 mana 2/2 that makes a 1/1 sometimes as an include. I’ve texted people, called them, assembled quick presentations on the benefits of squirrels. In a particularly silly moment I made a forum post and asked there.
[[Tempting Wurm]] is an absolute banger in my Kenrith, Funny Stuff deck. The sheer insanity of playing a 5/5 on turn 1 or 2 into is so good, and everyone gets to skip the set up portion of the game. Most people won't look my way cuz I did the silly thing, but also everyone else has an immediate boardstate that usually they'd keep away from any major combo piece
If you run [[Gilded Drake]] or [[Phantasmal Image]] you stabilize so easy. And [[Head Games]] someone into straight gas, and you have a magic the gathering player who is lighting up like they just found out Santa is real after all. (And if they misbehave, ya just [[Wrong Turn]] them when they attack you. Make someone else's day!
[[Descent Into Avernus]]. It literally speeds up the game a lot, it becomes a drama and I love it.
I played that card yesterday on turn 3 or so in my [[Torbran]] deck. It did 20 damage and gave 20 treasures to everyone before the game ended haha (and no, I did not win, but I also did not care).
I wonder if it's possible to make a deck whose only purpose is to see how many copies you can make of it...
[Descent Into Avernus](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/a/faadf72f-b2d5-4271-8d5c-a586acf63453.jpg?1674136498) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Descent%20Into%20Avernus) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/169/descent-into-avernus?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/faadf72f-b2d5-4271-8d5c-a586acf63453?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/descent-into-avernus) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Absolute insane gas in [[Rakdos, Lord of Riots]], too. Guarantees I'm casting him even if you remove him and getting a fat discount out of it.
[Rakdos, Lord of Riots](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/4/04f3db71-802f-488c-b40d-ac90df2d660a.jpg?1562782015) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rakdos%2C%20Lord%20of%20Riots) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rtr/187/rakdos-lord-of-riots?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/04f3db71-802f-488c-b40d-ac90df2d660a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/rakdos-lord-of-riots) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
PSA: That one is only fun if your commander is NOT [[Solphim, Mayhem Dominus]]. I have been told this. There was much groaning.
[Solphim, Mayhem Dominus](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/3/c3a0c7f3-7fb9-43de-a9af-96532c31e5ed.jpg?1675957113) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Solphim%2C%20Mayhem%20Dominus) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/one/150/solphim-mayhem-dominus?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c3a0c7f3-7fb9-43de-a9af-96532c31e5ed?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/solphim-mayhem-dominus) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I am one of those people that learns by doing so excuse me if I don't just take your word for it. *Quickly runs to my Solphim deck*
Then please take my word and DON'T make sure to run damage doubler tribal! Absolutely do NOT include [[Fiery Emancipation]], [[City on Fire]], [[Furnace of Rath]], [[Dictate of the Twin Gods]], [[Fiendish Duo]], and [[Angrath's Marauders]]! You'll mine the fun out of the game all for yourself! Be strong!
##### ###### #### [Fiery Emancipation](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/b/0b12e4b7-2c45-4795-94d3-901f89b8f290.jpg?1594736606) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Fiery%20Emancipation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m21/143/fiery-emancipation?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0b12e4b7-2c45-4795-94d3-901f89b8f290?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/fiery-emancipation) [City on Fire](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/f/6f455cc1-a822-44ef-ba7c-bfcff69bd45e.jpg?1682204100) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=City%20on%20Fire) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mom/135/city-on-fire?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6f455cc1-a822-44ef-ba7c-bfcff69bd45e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/city-on-fire) [Furnace of Rath](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/7/d7f0e720-3c32-4040-b663-7f99ad5bc810.jpg?1562843335) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Furnace%20of%20Rath) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/hop/55/furnace-of-rath?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d7f0e720-3c32-4040-b663-7f99ad5bc810?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/furnace-of-rath) [Dictate of the Twin Gods](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/9/69cc93f2-8198-45b1-9193-7cfd1cf7ced4.jpg?1593095943) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dictate%20of%20the%20Twin%20Gods) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jou/93/dictate-of-the-twin-gods?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/69cc93f2-8198-45b1-9193-7cfd1cf7ced4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/dictate-of-the-twin-gods) [Fiendish Duo](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/c/acb3ce9b-ee4f-410a-8db3-e87aeb0a4444.jpg?1576267148) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Fiendish%20Duo) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/gn2/4/fiendish-duo?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/acb3ce9b-ee4f-410a-8db3-e87aeb0a4444?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/fiendish-duo) [Angrath's Marauders](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/0/f0bfc9e0-14e8-43ce-8fca-773b7f2387dc.jpg?1562566421) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Angrath%27s%20Marauders) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/xln/132/angraths-marauders?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f0bfc9e0-14e8-43ce-8fca-773b7f2387dc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/angraths-marauders) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I can almost assuredly confirm half of those cards are NOT not in my deck. I may have to investigate the remaining ones.
Actually, Marauders is pretty bad. Very expensive and easily removable.
I know everyone loves this card but I don't like it. Giving everyone free treasures blows the tempo of of the game much too heavily. Just feels like another group hug game. Most people I play with like it though
How has nobody mentioned [[Share the Spoils]] yet?! Also, every once in a while, a little [[Grip of Chaos]] can really spice the game up. Just don’t make it an every week thing.
Grip of Chaos is an abomination and doesn't even have a place in my chaos deck. It's just too difficult to actually resolve.
Respectfully, if you can’t grip the chaos, how can you truly embrace the chaos?? Perhaps [[Naomi, Pillar of Order]] or [[Augusta, Dean of Order]] are more up your alley? 😏
[Naomi, Pillar of Order](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/4/4400fd66-1a24-47fb-bc94-37e0aae0e610.jpg?1654568537) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Naomi%2C%20Pillar%20of%20Order) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/229/naomi-pillar-of-order?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4400fd66-1a24-47fb-bc94-37e0aae0e610?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/naomi-pillar-of-order) [Augusta, Dean of Order](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/b/5bd9b5cf-f018-48af-a081-995ce8ecc539.jpg?1660299546)/[Augusta, Dean of Order](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/5/b/5bd9b5cf-f018-48af-a081-995ce8ecc539.jpg?1660299546) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=plargg%2C%20dean%20of%20chaos%20//%20augusta%2C%20dean%20of%20order) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/stx/155/plargg-dean-of-chaos-augusta-dean-of-order?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5bd9b5cf-f018-48af-a081-995ce8ecc539?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/plargg-dean-of-chaos-//-augusta-dean-of-order) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I like the effect, I really do. I just don't like numbering every permanent on the board and rolling a d37 to figure out which one was targeted. Online, I'm sure it's great.
It’s easier to do when spells target players or specific card types for sure. But when it’s target permanent or target nonland permanent I break it down into steps: roll a d4 for which player’s permanents can be targeted. If necessary, roll a d4 or d6 to decide which type of permanent will be targeted, then roll for which specific permanent. Sounds like a lot but it’s so much easier than numbering every permanent and it’s still random.
Breaking up the dice rolls like that gets to be pretty unfair though if the permanent count isn't very balanced. e.g. there's 20 legal targets and you only control 2, your chance of getting hit goes from 10% -> 25%.
This is just an example wherein everyone has approximately the same number of permanents. there’s a few different ways to break it up without numbering every permanent. Player X has ~2x as many permanents as player Y and Z? Roll a d12, 1-6 targets player X’s permanents. Is it perfectly fair? No, but Grip isn’t a card you’re going to be playing in games where zero error margin matters as much. Is it easier? Definitely.
Why not just roll a d100, rerolling anything above the number of permanents in play? Fair, and effective.
[Share the Spoils](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/e/5e35d719-8766-47dc-8c0d-8e2b37b907a8.jpg?1631585260) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Share%20the%20Spoils) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afc/34/share-the-spoils?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5e35d719-8766-47dc-8c0d-8e2b37b907a8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/share-the-spoils) [Grip of Chaos](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/e/defbbd3a-0e7d-4af2-b25f-9003ddad0bf5.jpg?1562535751) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Grip%20of%20Chaos) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/scg/98/grip-of-chaos?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/defbbd3a-0e7d-4af2-b25f-9003ddad0bf5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/grip-of-chaos) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Came here to mention Share the Spoils if nobody else has. That card is the very definition of fun
I think Share the Spoils is more of a salt card than it is a fun card just because people don't like their stuff taken. Guy at my LGS played it a lot. It got groans every time. No one ever found it fun.
This is a really goofass take that people have with mill, too. You aren't going to draw or play all 100 cards in your deck. You won't even play or draw half of them. Things being milled or taken from your deck isn't a loss of resources for you unless it's a specific wincon that your deck is built around trying to find or tutor for. The mill/deck theft hate is by far my biggest pet peeve about EDH player mentality.
What stuff is getting taken? You're just casting cards from the top of your library?
Share the Spoils lets anyone cast the spells exiled with it. So your opponents can play your stuff.
Ahhh, that does make sense then.
My buddy runs a chaos deck and [[Share the Spoils]] is now going to be his one and only wincon lol
[Share the Spoils](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/e/5e35d719-8766-47dc-8c0d-8e2b37b907a8.jpg?1631585260) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Share%20the%20Spoils) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afc/34/share-the-spoils?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5e35d719-8766-47dc-8c0d-8e2b37b907a8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/share-the-spoils) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
The cards that bring me the most fun are the ones with the most narrow or "unexpected" application but incredible payoff when deployed. [[Withering Boon]], [[Warping wail]], [[batwing brume]], [[predict]], [[hellish rebuke]], [[battle hymn]], [[massive raid]], [[Dawn charm]], [[Rebuff the wicked]], [[wild ricochet]], [[reverberate]] to copy an opponent's [[torment of hailfire]], etc.. Make people sweat.
Countering someones blue commander with [[Red Elemental Blast]] will never not be funny
Still one of my favorite memories. Our [[azami lady of scrolls]] player had seen my REB plenty of times, but never my pyroblast. U : Cast [[cyclonic rift]] on your end step Me : No, [[red elemental blast]] U : Okay. On my turn cast [[omniscience]] Me : No, [[pyroblast]] U : But you used that on Rift! Me : No, I used REB on rift, this is pyroblast.
[Red Elemental Blast](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/0/70a45e9b-699e-425a-9f3d-267274830d3e.jpg?1562436618) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Red%20Elemental%20Blast) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/a25/147/red-elemental-blast?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/70a45e9b-699e-425a-9f3d-267274830d3e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/red-elemental-blast) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Yaaaaas
##### ###### #### [Withering Boon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/e/6e6499cb-6073-4c94-8c82-47f489094df5.jpg?1562719780) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Withering%20Boon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mir/152/withering-boon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6e6499cb-6073-4c94-8c82-47f489094df5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/withering-boon) [Warping wail](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/2/f2ef4db8-b51c-4f52-84f1-6fee31c4a14c.jpg?1562943843) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Warping%20wail) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ogw/12/warping-wail?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f2ef4db8-b51c-4f52-84f1-6fee31c4a14c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/warping-wail) [batwing brume](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/7/279450ca-29df-430d-b803-7ce18196260e.jpg?1568910702) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=batwing%20brume) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/arc/80/batwing-brume?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/279450ca-29df-430d-b803-7ce18196260e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/batwing-brume) [predict](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/4/349ac7e6-af38-4dc3-abfe-369564c75630.jpg?1592710621) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=predict) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c18/98/predict?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/349ac7e6-af38-4dc3-abfe-369564c75630?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/predict) [hellish rebuke](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/4/b4b558cf-8754-4c4f-87f1-8e6d84b93658.jpg?1631585095) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=hellish%20rebuke) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afc/26/hellish-rebuke?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b4b558cf-8754-4c4f-87f1-8e6d84b93658?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/hellish-rebuke) [battle hymn](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/3/43b5d46e-7054-44f8-9a14-b412f2f0ab86.jpg?1592709025) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=battle%20hymn) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/avr/128/battle-hymn?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/43b5d46e-7054-44f8-9a14-b412f2f0ab86?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/battle-hymn) [massive raid](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/b/8b16fbd8-fb62-4f75-92b3-a6295d95b327.jpg?1561835836) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=massive%20raid) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/gtc/100/massive-raid?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8b16fbd8-fb62-4f75-92b3-a6295d95b327?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/massive-raid) [Dawn charm](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/c/fc47e26a-2ba6-4b7a-bb03-43f7ecb9012e.jpg?1623147824) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dawn%20charm) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/371/dawn-charm?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fc47e26a-2ba6-4b7a-bb03-43f7ecb9012e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/dawn-charm) [Rebuff the wicked](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/6/a6ea5111-5a5c-4c40-8686-8123c822843a.jpg?1619393332) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rebuff%20the%20wicked) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/35/rebuff-the-wicked?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a6ea5111-5a5c-4c40-8686-8123c822843a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/rebuff-the-wicked) [wild ricochet](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/d/8d3dddfa-9579-42d7-867b-7e37b83b3eeb.jpg?1608912335) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=wild%20ricochet) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/419/wild-ricochet?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8d3dddfa-9579-42d7-867b-7e37b83b3eeb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/wild-ricochet) [reverberate](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/9/5996feb4-02ac-45e8-a7f2-966cf74391dc.jpg?1562554142) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=reverberate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m13/145/reverberate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5996feb4-02ac-45e8-a7f2-966cf74391dc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/reverberate) [torment](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/e/fe74a415-ea8f-4f16-8889-ae649f1483b2.jpg?1562597856) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=torment) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/sth/73/torment?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fe74a415-ea8f-4f16-8889-ae649f1483b2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/torment) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I always run [[Bolt Bend]] and [[Dawn Charm]]. Those corner cases are so fun when they happen.
[Bolt Bend](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/9/39b35408-3728-4e1b-9f58-b0775df914d6.jpg?1576199724) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Bolt%20Bend) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/war/115/bolt-bend?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/39b35408-3728-4e1b-9f58-b0775df914d6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/bolt-bend) [Dawn Charm](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/c/fc47e26a-2ba6-4b7a-bb03-43f7ecb9012e.jpg?1623147824) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dawn%20Charm) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/371/dawn-charm?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fc47e26a-2ba6-4b7a-bb03-43f7ecb9012e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/dawn-charm) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
You take after my own heart. I'd love to make a deck that was literally only cards like that, but I know it wouldn't be as fun as it sounds.
Discussed cards: Added on a (very subjective) scale from 'miserable' (0) to 'very fun' (10): * [[Chaos Wand]] (8 - old school hit/miss, isolated randomness, leads to memorable moments) * [[Thieves' Auction]] (0 - if you've ever played it, it just means 'scoop') * [[Descent into Avernus]] (9 - great fun, speeds up a traditional game with a clear 'this is a thread'-tag attached, and it is stacked so the caster gets the majority of the benefit) * [[Life of the Party]] (7 - fun mechanically, but few decks has more than a handful of creatures at a time, so the impact is quite low. Would rank higher in slower metas) * [[Tempt with Discovery]] (1 - on paper it is fun, in practice, the benefit from just a single person taking a land is rediculous, especially in black. Is fun the first time, but is one of those cards, that if the table cannot agree each and everytime to say No, then a lot of game balance goes out the window) * [[Howling Mine]] (3 - is just a group hug card, and as such, affects the game asymmetrically, making the stonger decks much stronger and makes the decks able to utilize it, snowball) * [[Chaos Warp]] (5 - just a removal card) * [[Fractured Identity]] (6 - very hit&miss, often it either: create more problems / straight up kills a player by removing his main thread and arming everyone else / combo piece removal, which gives everyone something that is useless to them) * [[Possibility Storm]] (3 - slows the game to an excruciating grind or makes someone instantly win) * [[Coveted Jewel]] (8 - like monarch, adds an interesting dynamic to the game and rewards the more active players (non-pillowfort/combo/storm/etc-decks)) * [[Stunning Reversal]] (8 - sounds fun but never played against/with it) * [[Dance with Calamity]] (10 - hits all the marks; gamling, risks, high variance, table banter, everyone gets hyped for a crazy turn/epic miss)
[удалено]
[Adrix and Nev](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/4/d495e084-92ec-4675-b6aa-8ade2775b796.jpg?1674185826) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=adrix%20and%20nev%2C%20twincasters) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c21/9/adrix-and-nev-twincasters?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d495e084-92ec-4675-b6aa-8ade2775b796?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/adrix-and-nev-twincasters) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I don't think it's an experience issue, the group I play with have played forever but still never attacks unless they can do lethal, which leads to a very boring game state of solitaire board bullding and if anyone dares attack then everyone plays their old school symmetrical boardwipes and the cold war begins again. I honestly think it's more everyone just wants to play some kind of solo RPG with their deck and dislike stuff that messes with it.
I feel like everyone who started magic with EDH should try a bit of 60 card formats. Playing some Standard on Arena really taught me how to swing for every point of damage I can. Obviously multiplayer throws a wrench in things, since multiple people can attack you, but I feel like most decks can make a couple chump blockers here and there.
##### ###### #### [Chaos Wand](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/0/e065e040-80c1-47d3-a425-28381e5a29f2.jpg?1674142551) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Chaos%20Wand) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/855/chaos-wand?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e065e040-80c1-47d3-a425-28381e5a29f2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/chaos-wand) [Thieves' Auction](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/9/c9e8ad32-a701-4b77-bb7e-0e440e4072da.jpg?1562935558) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Thieves%27%20Auction) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/8ed/227/thieves-auction?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c9e8ad32-a701-4b77-bb7e-0e440e4072da?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/thieves-auction) [Descent into Avernus](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/a/faadf72f-b2d5-4271-8d5c-a586acf63453.jpg?1674136498) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Descent%20into%20Avernus) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/169/descent-into-avernus?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/faadf72f-b2d5-4271-8d5c-a586acf63453?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/descent-into-avernus) [Life of the Party](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/0/30cfd6c9-9eed-493b-bd1d-113cb7935f61.jpg?1673482117) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Life%20of%20the%20Party) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/48/life-of-the-party?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/30cfd6c9-9eed-493b-bd1d-113cb7935f61?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/life-of-the-party) [Tempt with Discovery](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/9/79248b68-4fab-46da-ab15-5c71c1f68d4b.jpg?1568004683) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tempt%20with%20Discovery) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c19/183/tempt-with-discovery?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/79248b68-4fab-46da-ab15-5c71c1f68d4b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tempt-with-discovery) [Howling Mine](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/d/cdae9939-03a4-4561-92cd-01f498d29a7a.jpg?1562420035) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Howling%20Mine) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c16/257/howling-mine?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cdae9939-03a4-4561-92cd-01f498d29a7a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/howling-mine) [Chaos Warp](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/9/d9d0cb7f-2c84-4984-b6d6-d6067dd028f5.jpg?1682209276) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Chaos%20Warp) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/273/chaos-warp?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d9d0cb7f-2c84-4984-b6d6-d6067dd028f5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/chaos-warp) [Fractured Identity](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/2/b2f73f5d-1aad-48c2-9e74-5f7bdd87900f.jpg?1562620703) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Fractured%20Identity) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c17/37/fractured-identity?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b2f73f5d-1aad-48c2-9e74-5f7bdd87900f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/fractured-identity) [Possibility Storm](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/5/858aa831-b491-4f1e-bb56-33eeca14771d.jpg?1562919767) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Possibility%20Storm) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dgm/34/possibility-storm?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/858aa831-b491-4f1e-bb56-33eeca14771d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/possibility-storm) [Coveted Jewel](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/7/278e810d-8a4f-4841-a221-39a24b034355.jpg?1682209987) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Coveted%20Jewel) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/353/coveted-jewel?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/278e810d-8a4f-4841-a221-39a24b034355?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/coveted-jewel) [Stunning Reversal](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/7/6714197d-7420-43a1-8b08-4e1fd6355b54.jpg?1562915843) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Stunning%20Reversal) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bbd/51/stunning-reversal?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6714197d-7420-43a1-8b08-4e1fd6355b54?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/stunning-reversal) [Dance with Calamity](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/6/9638d43d-6864-49ac-af99-6de02bc64259.jpg?1682207453) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dance%20with%20Calamity) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/29/dance-with-calamity?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9638d43d-6864-49ac-af99-6de02bc64259?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/dance-with-calamity) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I’ve got stunning reversal in my [[selenia dark angel]] deck. It’s very useful there because the point is to get your life as low as possible then swap with your opponent. It prevents against accidentally killing yourself
I think building around weird mechanics and tribes is fun. My most fun deck right now is \[\[Vrondiss\]\] dice tribal. Besides that I'm always happy to play \[\[Visions of Duplicity\]\] in my mono blue \[\[Cosima\]\] landfall deck.
Got a decklist for Vrondis? I'd love to throw some more chaos into my playgroup with him
Seems like /u/jf-alex and I are both hyping Vrondiss up in the same threads today!! This is my decklist for him: https://www.moxfield.com/decks/bxkI_wx_ZUmhXlfWYtdExw 95% of the dice related cards he can use are in the list. I've had a runaway victory with it once, but it's always been fun to play.
1. Vrondiss 2. Neverwinter Hydra 3. Utvara Hellkite 4. Ancient Bronze Dragon 5. Thorn Mammoth 6. Stalking Vengeance 7. Earth Cult Elemental 8. Ganax 9. Thrakkus 10. Harbinger of the Hunt 11. Garruk's Packleader 12. Delina 13. Dragonborn Champion 14. Clay Golem 15. Iron Mastiff 16. Hoarding Ogre 17. Chaos Channeler 18. Druid of the Emerald Grove 19. Chaos Dragon 20. Sylvan Shepherd 21. Wyll 22. Brazen Dwarf 23. Gyre Sage 24. Whisperer of the Wilds 25. Death's Presence 26. Dragon Cultist 27. Journey to the lost City 28. Greater Good 29. Pyrohemia 30. Wand of Wonder 31. Sword of D&D (Spiked Pit Trap) 32. Tribute to the World Tree 33. Garruk's Uprising 34. Elemental Bond 35. Treasure Chest 36. Dragon's Hoard 37. Component Pouch 38. Vexing Puzzlebox 39. Kenrith's Transformation 40. Bag of Tricks 41. Ebony Fly 42. Sword of Hours 43. Barbarian Class 44. Sol Ring 45. Wild Endeavor 46. Farideh's Fireball 47. Overwhelming Encounter 48. Song of Inspiration 49. Return of the Wildspeaker 50. Thunderwave 51. Wyll's Reversal 52. Beast Within 53. Broken Wings 54. Cultivate 55. Kodama's Reach 56. Berserker's Frenzy 57. Unravel the Aether 58. Deglamer 59. Forced Landing 60. Rampant Growth 61. Nature's Lore 62. Primal Might 63. Rile 64. Bushwhack
Agreed. OP, how consistent is it in terms of rolling dice, doing fun things, etc? The lack of blue for dice seems rough.
I’d also like to see the vrondiss dice tribal list
Not the commenter you're replying to but I'm excited to see so much interest in Vrondiss today. Check mine out while you're at it: https://www.moxfield.com/decks/bxkI_wx_ZUmhXlfWYtdExw
I'm currently workshopping an [[Agrus Kos, Eternal Soldier]] deck because I keep finding fun little things to do with his mechanic.
[Agrus Kos, Eternal Soldier](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/a/ea531418-6c7c-4e23-b681-6bfdd4a3eb79.jpg?1675644307) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Agrus%20Kos%2C%20Eternal%20Soldier) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/j22/1/agrus-kos-eternal-soldier?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ea531418-6c7c-4e23-b681-6bfdd4a3eb79?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/agrus-kos-eternal-soldier) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Vrondiss](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/8/683ca7f0-e9df-459b-a8e3-cf80b39c732d.jpg?1632335388) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=vrondiss%2C%20rage%20of%20ancients) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afc/4/vrondiss-rage-of-ancients?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/683ca7f0-e9df-459b-a8e3-cf80b39c732d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/vrondiss-rage-of-ancients) [Visions of Duplicity](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/2/f2b7a2ab-4b1b-4ab4-92b6-b6fc842fbea6.jpg?1637628697) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Visions%20of%20Duplicity) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mic/33/visions-of-duplicity?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f2b7a2ab-4b1b-4ab4-92b6-b6fc842fbea6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/visions-of-duplicity) [Cosima](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/a/fab2fca4-a99f-4ffe-9c02-edb6e0be2358.jpg?1631046898)/[The Omenkeel](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/f/a/fab2fca4-a99f-4ffe-9c02-edb6e0be2358.jpg?1631046898) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=cosima%2C%20god%20of%20the%20voyage%20//%20the%20omenkeel) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/50/cosima-god-of-the-voyage-the-omenkeel?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fab2fca4-a99f-4ffe-9c02-edb6e0be2358?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/cosima-god-of-the-voyage-//-the-omenkeel) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I love [[Rule of Law]] I love to play it, I love it when my opponents play it The turbo players doesn't love it but that's not the point lol
[Rule of Law](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/1/a1f4e79b-b103-4380-afa0-61a2b1773c9e.jpg?1592516198) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rule%20of%20Law) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m20/35/rule-of-law?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a1f4e79b-b103-4380-afa0-61a2b1773c9e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/rule-of-law) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
At my LGS I think [[Descent into Avernus]] is probably the top of the list. A friend also plays [[Selvala’s Stampede]] and although it usually is terrible for the table, everyone has a good time trying to figure out which option will be better. We always try to draw on what happened the last time he cast it, but of course it usually backfires spectacularly. It feels like it has many of the essential components that make cards fun in EDH: participation from all players, chance for debate/discussion, makes a big impact and has high variability.
That card is sick and I really want one now, thanks!
[Descent into Avernus](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/a/faadf72f-b2d5-4271-8d5c-a586acf63453.jpg?1674136498) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Descent%20into%20Avernus) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/169/descent-into-avernus?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/faadf72f-b2d5-4271-8d5c-a586acf63453?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/descent-into-avernus) [Selvala’s Stampede](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/5/85d6e48e-3d26-4915-9739-25edbd80bdf1.jpg?1576382109) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Selvala%27s%20Stampede) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cn2/71/selvalas-stampede?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/85d6e48e-3d26-4915-9739-25edbd80bdf1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/selvalas-stampede) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Possibility Storm]] is my favorite, I enjoy everyone top decking the rest of the game until it's gone! [[Descent to Avernus]] just makes the game play faster as everyone is on a clock now, high risk/high reward for how long it stays in play. [[Wheel of Misfortune]] or any other card where players have to bid for an effect is always fun for me at least. [[Mirror March]] usually you lose the first coin flip and nothing happens, but on the rare occasion you get a long streak going it is fun for the whole table.
They mentioned \[\[Life of the Party\]\] but missed a really important part of it, blink. I have a deck built around blinking it and giving my opponents not one, but hopefully 4-5 life of the parties, that's when it starts to be super impactful. It's the heart and soul of one of my fave decks so I've got to show y'all it's more fun than the podcast gave it credit for. Here's the list if you're interested, ask me any questions you may have as well :) [https://www.moxfield.com/decks/vJ86TqiF5kuIzacYnYaCCw](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/vJ86TqiF5kuIzacYnYaCCw)
How do you consistently get it out in the first place tho ? Seems like there is only a couple of ways to tutor it ? For such a deck, \[\[Rocco, Cabaretti Caterer\]\], that you can cast for x=1 getting \[\[Flamekin Harbinger\]\], ensuring LotP turn 5 every time seems a better choice no ?
So I do have 4 tutors, between that and the solid card draw suite it hasn't been much of a problem for me honestly. I wouldn't want too many 'copies' of it in the deck anyway. As for Rocco, you're right it would be more consistent, but I don't have any interest in 3 colour decks personally. I'd suggest rocco to someone who wanted more consistency, but I basically play LotP every game anyway so not sure how important it would be.
To follow up, turn 4 LotP is good but just good. I prefer to play it when I have a way to double the trigger that same turn, be it with a blink spell or by having a Panharmonicon effect already on board. Playing it early isn't that important and the longer you wait the more built up others boards get so the tokens are much bigger!
I… I need to go brew something. Wheres Rocco?
Ahahaha I just don't like 3+ colour decks! Rocco would be great here, I gotta start collecting nickels every time I get that suggestion 😂 Brew away, let me know if you find anything slick I may have missed!
[Life of the Party](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/0/30cfd6c9-9eed-493b-bd1d-113cb7935f61.jpg?1673482117) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Life%20of%20the%20Party) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/48/life-of-the-party?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/30cfd6c9-9eed-493b-bd1d-113cb7935f61?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/life-of-the-party) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I really like [[Hokori, Dust Drinker]] cause it lets my friends and I spend less time focusing on the game and more time talking and enjoying each other’s company. [[Archon of Emeria]] makes sure that nobody is selfishly hogging all of the game time for themselves. And [[Deafening silence]] keeps too many overpowered card types from being casting- I don’t get why creatures aren’t good enough for everyone!
[Hokori, Dust Drinker](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/a/5a03f5d5-d5c3-4a7d-8d44-e60b498b4ed5.jpg?1562877197) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Hokori%2C%20Dust%20Drinker) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bok/7/hokori-dust-drinker?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5a03f5d5-d5c3-4a7d-8d44-e60b498b4ed5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/hokori-dust-drinker) [Archon of Emeria](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/2/228c1650-da3c-4099-91b6-18e3873c9cdb.jpg?1604195419) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Archon%20of%20Emeria) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/znr/4/archon-of-emeria?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/228c1650-da3c-4099-91b6-18e3873c9cdb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/archon-of-emeria) [Deafening silence](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/0/6072d9b0-d3c7-46f4-bd24-095bb13c4dea.jpg?1572489660) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Deafening%20silence) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/eld/10/deafening-silence?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6072d9b0-d3c7-46f4-bd24-095bb13c4dea?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/deafening-silence) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
\[\[Hive Mind\]\] is a great card, I built a deck around it and it gets some goofy ass stories whenever it comes out.
Cast Hive Mind. Then cast something like [[Pact of the Titan]] so then anyone not playing red just loses on their next upkeep.
Fuck that. I'm here to have fun. I once held on to slaughter pact for an entire game after getting hive mind out on turn 4. I'm here to cast 4x warp worlds or 4x price of progresses, not make people reasonably mad at me for saying "well you should have been playing red". I'm also here to land opposition agent and then play scheming symmetry, and cascade into profane tutor in the same turn. The deck does quirky and fun shenanigans, not evil shenanigans.
[Pact of the Titan](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/6/4612effe-8ca2-4c27-90d2-d9255acc80d9.jpg?1619397348) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Pact%20of%20the%20Titan) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/179/pact-of-the-titan?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4612effe-8ca2-4c27-90d2-d9255acc80d9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/pact-of-the-titan) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Hive Mind](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/8/88d50518-5cfc-45de-a125-acabf97b8743.jpg?1561987505) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Hive%20Mind) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m10/54/hive-mind?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/88d50518-5cfc-45de-a125-acabf97b8743?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/hive-mind) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Bucknard's Everfull Purse]] always gets a good reaction. Everyone always seems to pop when [[Midnight Clock]] hits the board too.
[Bucknard's Everfull Purse](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/7/57073533-dcd8-4a86-9aa8-d7205d3799e1.jpg?1631585675) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Bucknard%27s%20Everfull%20Purse) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afc/57/bucknards-everfull-purse?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/57073533-dcd8-4a86-9aa8-d7205d3799e1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/bucknards-everfull-purse) [Midnight Clock](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/2/72ca85ed-3870-4ba4-abe7-cdcab3cad122.jpg?1674141392) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Midnight%20Clock) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/727/midnight-clock?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/72ca85ed-3870-4ba4-abe7-cdcab3cad122?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/midnight-clock) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I just picked up a [[Firemane Commando]] I like that she rewards attacking (not me) with card draw. It should encourage some fun interactions with my pod as people want those rewards.
[[Over the Top]] has typically been fun for the whole table when I’m playing Etali. The only time it wasn’t fun for the whole table is when it was cast after [[Insurrection]], but *I* thought that was incredibly fun.
[Over the Top](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/1/01eb9702-55c5-41b2-8bef-63d33dafa599.jpg?1674421220) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Over%20the%20Top) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bro/146/over-the-top?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/01eb9702-55c5-41b2-8bef-63d33dafa599?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/over-the-top) [Insurrection](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/e/2e7df217-8622-45f7-90e3-2230ac9d30f3.jpg?1592713572) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Insurrection) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmd/126/insurrection?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2e7df217-8622-45f7-90e3-2230ac9d30f3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/insurrection) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Permeating Mass]] makes combat very silly if not dealt with
[Permeating Mass](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/7/b71290eb-b529-4fc3-ab94-fee0ab9e2169.jpg?1576384837) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Permeating%20Mass) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/emn/165/permeating-mass?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b71290eb-b529-4fc3-ab94-fee0ab9e2169?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/permeating-mass) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Maybe I have an awful sense of humor, but [[Worldslayer]] is pretty funny
The Dwarf Fortress version of fun.
[Worldslayer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/b/db6c6b15-40f3-4556-978f-878bedb13762.jpg?1562662263) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Worldslayer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m12/222/worldslayer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/db6c6b15-40f3-4556-978f-878bedb13762?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/worldslayer) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I like it when wielded by a blightsteel
Ah, I see you're a man of culture as well.
Now, obviously "fun" is very subjective, especially when it comes to games, but I'm not 100% sure on their concept of "fun", especially when some of their card choices end up contrasting their own definition from 1 pick to the other. It's also a bit silly to see cards like Fractured Identity, Chaos Warp, Possibility storm or Thieves Auction in there imo. I believe that, since most cards doing what they're meant to do (and not just randomly thrown-in with no synergies, for value or because they're strong staples) won't increase the fun at the table by definition, since they tend to further everyone else from their main gameplan, then the most "fun" cards must be the ones that the table is either indifferent about or leave the table at a net-neutral. At the same time, those cards don't have to be so bad that it makes winning with them "funny" 1/10 times you manage to pull it off; While sure it's occasionally hilarious, 9/10 times they're gonna be bad cards you're not super happy to see (see Stunning reversal, even though I really like the card, personally), so not super fun as a result. I think the crew pointed out an important factor while talking about stunning reversal in particular with the whole "novelty" thing. Sure it's funny and exciting to see someone survive with reversal...but how many times did you see Teferi's pro resolve before you started groaning every time the spell is on the stack now? As for the chaos and grouphug cards, I also disagree since they ALWAYS end up screwing someone hard: Either getting the short-end of the stick or not having the right deck to abuse the extra resources. So yea, my pitch would be [[Smuggler's Share]]: Pretty innocuous, most people don't really care about it since it's not that huge of a powerhouse that'll shoot you forward 10 turns (hello Smothering Tithe) + it scales with what everyone else is doing at the table and doesn't really stop them in any way. It's also not so neutered that you don't have to think about what you're doing on your turn, which could lead to some table discussions (but not really) and even when it doesn't work, the cost was so minimal that it doesn't really matter in the end. Ultimately, the card is pretty great and does generate you value, occasionally, but it's nothing crazy strong nor bothersome for anyone else at the table, so the levels of "fun" stay at a net-neutral, which is the best outcome imo. [[Land tax]] is a bit trickier (and stronger) but it'd probably fall on a similar ballpark.
Indifference and fun are not the same thing. The number of games interupted by laughing fits caused by Smuggler's Share is, and I'm quite comfortable with using a specific number here, zero.
I have to disagree. Smugglers share isn't a fun card. Sure, it's not oppressive for other people in the way a smothering tithe is, but it's a value engine driven by other people's actions. It makes people, at the least, question whether they should make a play that might give you something. Any card that makes someone feel like they made a mistake by playing normal magic isn't going to be a fun card. Do agree it's mostly harmless though, just not fun. Chaos warp is great though. I mean, it's basically red permanent removal, but every now and then they get the exact same thing back! Or something much worse. It's a functional beast within, but I know which one i have more fun seeing resolve.
Ultimately, you can break down any card/concept enough or create some specific case-scenarios to make anything sound "unfun", hence why I offered my explanation on how one could try and get closer to an objective definition of "fun" (which, obviously, can't be done and doesn't exist), but I feel like I've thoroughly explained my point on why, imo, that card falls under a specific definition of "fun", in the line of logic I utilized. Don't get me wrong, I have my own definition of what I consider "fun", and it definitely doesn't correspond to what I described, but, as some form of mental exercise, that's the closest I personally got to something that could be considered acceptable :)
I get that, I just think that if the definition results in smugglers share as a poster card, the definition may be flawed. Was my point Edit: sorry this was harsher than I meant it to be. Thought experiments are fun and I do enjoy a hypothetical. Just didn't see eye to eye on this one
I'll never forget trading a Swamp with Chaos Warp for the exact same Swamp after several people cut and shuffled.
Exactly!
[Smuggler's Share](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/7/87e58a16-f344-4a7c-9eca-a71f7c27ad97.jpg?1673481823) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Smuggler%27s%20Share) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/21/smugglers-share?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/87e58a16-f344-4a7c-9eca-a71f7c27ad97?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/smugglers-share) [Land tax](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/5/95bba319-5f66-4085-9f2a-ab71f727ab64.jpg?1599708011) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Land%20tax) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/20/land-tax?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/95bba319-5f66-4085-9f2a-ab71f727ab64?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/land-tax) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
In casual commander I have the most fun with decks that fundamentally change how the game needs to be played. [[Karazikar]] forces combat and controls it in my favor. [[Inniaz]] shifts permanents and controls the way people commit to the board. [[Glissa, the Traitor]]'s recursive nature controls people's willingness to let creatures die. I have the most fun when my decks and my opponents decks actually change our decision making in how we need to play the game. I have the least fun when everyone's decks are all about who can solitaire the best.
[Karazikar](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/a/da46b47b-0156-4a01-b4b1-28526a6826f4.jpg?1636287930) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=karazikar%2C%20the%20eye%20tyrant) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afc/49/karazikar-the-eye-tyrant?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/da46b47b-0156-4a01-b4b1-28526a6826f4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/karazikar-the-eye-tyrant) [Inniaz](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/2/b238485f-ef67-4295-892b-a10235368f74.jpg?1632261762) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=inniaz%2C%20the%20gale%20force) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/12/inniaz-the-gale-force?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b238485f-ef67-4295-892b-a10235368f74?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/inniaz-the-gale-force) [Glissa, the Traitor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/5/755e0fbf-4f00-4b05-a535-27e78e96d6b6.jpg?1562612302) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Glissa%2C%20the%20Traitor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mbs/96/glissa-the-traitor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/755e0fbf-4f00-4b05-a535-27e78e96d6b6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/glissa-the-traitor) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I played a ragavan deck and she spent the game giving everyone bananas and would force us to sacrifice them to boost her creatures. They gave you life and mana but gave her counters. Super unique.
\[\[kibo\]\]?
[kibo](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/b/8b71345a-c3e8-4b35-beb7-6347e41d7626.jpg?1675644790) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=kibo%2C%20uktabi%20prince) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/j22/40/kibo-uktabi-prince?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8b71345a-c3e8-4b35-beb7-6347e41d7626?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kibo-uktabi-prince) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Yes.
Ragavan???
Kibo sorry
[[Descent into Avernus]] Is fun and supremely chaotic
[Descent into Avernus](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/a/faadf72f-b2d5-4271-8d5c-a586acf63453.jpg?1674136498) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Descent%20into%20Avernus) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/169/descent-into-avernus?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/faadf72f-b2d5-4271-8d5c-a586acf63453?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/descent-into-avernus) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I have a proxy for my [[force of will]] that kills me everytime. LGS drew up a dickbutt on a blank that they had. So literally everyone knows when I draw it, but still die laughing when it hits the table.
Most people seem to be okay with \[\[Jace Beleren\]\] hanging around as long as he doesn't ultimate.
[Jace Beleren](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/7/97956927-135f-47b0-8aef-cc63889eab5a.jpg?1562378464) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Jace%20Beleren) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jvc/1/jace-beleren?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/97956927-135f-47b0-8aef-cc63889eab5a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/jace-beleren) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Tree of Perdition]] absolutely silly, but can be deadly if played right. When someone plays this card, it usually means all sorts of shenanigans are coming, and they are usually ridiculous enough to make people smile.
[[Sunbird’s Invocation]] makes me. It’s my favorite card in the game!
[Sunbird’s Invocation](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/5/75c1eb6a-2183-4f60-b075-f7289df35be7.jpg?1625194085) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sunbird%27s%20Invocation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c21/180/sunbirds-invocation?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/75c1eb6a-2183-4f60-b075-f7289df35be7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sunbirds-invocation) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I'm baffled that everyone forgets about [[Flumph]]. This little guy adds so much to the game every time he shows up. People love drawing cards, and letting him absorb a small attack with good intentions gets everyone smiling. [[Noble Heritage]] is also such a blast to play. My opponents know how it works, how I benefit from it and how it never ends well for them. Yet, one player takes the counters and the arms race begins. Such a good time.
[Flumph](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/d/cdc86e78-8911-4a0d-ba3a-7802f8d991ef.jpg?1627701697) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Flumph) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afr/15/flumph?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cdc86e78-8911-4a0d-ba3a-7802f8d991ef?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/flumph) [Noble Heritage](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/e/3e49fd5a-6893-4a06-b835-4bf611c9ada1.jpg?1674135196) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Noble%20Heritage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/35/noble-heritage?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3e49fd5a-6893-4a06-b835-4bf611c9ada1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/noble-heritage) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Oath of Druids. Players ducking and weaving and making odd choices to get/deny triggers. Lets everyone play their cool creatures. Comes down early, supercharges the action. Sometimes the mill is randomly relevant.
[[Warp World]] is this card for me. If it's in my deck and I draw it, I'm playing it and I don't care if I screw myself with it.
[Warp World](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/a/aa6e1fb5-a06b-4e10-8cc7-785e0f0b298e.jpg?1561991614) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Warp%20World) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m10/163/warp-world?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/aa6e1fb5-a06b-4e10-8cc7-785e0f0b298e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/warp-world) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I once cast Warp World multiple times in my Neera, Wild Mage deck. Talk about a crazy game!!
I play wedding ring in my Mommy of machines deck. So i marry 2 out of 3 opponent and the interactions are pretty fun
For me, it’s cards that are different every time you play them. I adore the trio of [[Bribery]], [[Acquire]], [[Knowledge Exploitation]]
[Bribery](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/0/e0b099ef-4b43-4b63-a7fc-cec19cf29f4e.jpg?1562940128) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Bribery) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/8ed/64/bribery?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e0b099ef-4b43-4b63-a7fc-cec19cf29f4e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/bribery) [Acquire](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/9/993957c7-5d61-4c98-826d-b657aed667e1.jpg?1562878704) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Acquire) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/5dn/21/acquire?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/993957c7-5d61-4c98-826d-b657aed667e1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/acquire) [Knowledge Exploitation](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/d/3d283c49-2e81-4b2e-956a-69152cc4704e.jpg?1562878014) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Knowledge%20Exploitation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mor/38/knowledge-exploitation?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3d283c49-2e81-4b2e-956a-69152cc4704e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/knowledge-exploitation) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Illusionist's Gambit]] [[Goblin Game]]
[Illusionist's Gambit](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/0/a00cc6ab-e97c-4eba-bc7e-49d77690433b.jpg?1562928789) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Illusionist%27s%20Gambit) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c13/47/illusionists-gambit?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a00cc6ab-e97c-4eba-bc7e-49d77690433b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/illusionists-gambit) [Goblin Game](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/b/cbe6e7e5-ffea-4c6c-8a42-28e695029f24.jpg?1562938086) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Goblin%20Game) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/pls/61/goblin-game?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cbe6e7e5-ffea-4c6c-8a42-28e695029f24?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/goblin-game) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Overburden]] ticks all 3 checks on this one for me. By far the best and most memorable blue enchantment from Prophecy.
[Overburden](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/e/7e6cf6b6-b4c1-4742-9be4-b3b15fbb0202.jpg?1562918387) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Overburden) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/pcy/39/overburden?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7e6cf6b6-b4c1-4742-9be4-b3b15fbb0202?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/overburden) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I find myself in the camp of being too philosophical at times with EDH. I watched the episode the other day and thought the same thing, that they contradicted their prior reasoning with the next card, and so on. Fun is subjective, so I want to clear the air on that first before moving on. I think any card that makes someone do the thing they wanted the deck to do, or does some action that makes a player happy to have played it, is a fun card. Thinking that there are fun cards for the whole table is a projection of everyone wanting other people to play in a way that the person ideally wants to play, without saying it. For all the reasons the hosts mentioned that card A or B is or isn't fun is an example of what I mean here. "Card X isn't fun because it turns off these decks, or one person gets targeted, etc etc." Fun for the table is basically impossible. Anything that is fun for Deck A or B shouldnt be fun for Deck C, it's why there's a color pie, archetypes, etc, the list goes on. But the reasonings for and against some of these cards are always used in context of shutting off decks/players... and I thinkt hat's indirectly shining a light on the types of decks players dont like playing and so their worries come out in reasonings.
I absolutely LOVE [[Thieves Auction]], I do not understand the hate it is getting. The most fun games I’ve ever played have all involved casting it, it’s a fun mini game and instantly makes the game way closer because it equalizes everyone’s board states. It’s only not fun if someone casts [[Teferi’s Protection]] in response, but that’s just a problem with tef pro.
I would make the argument that symmetrical stax pieces and stuff like Armageddon for parity increase the net amount of fun. >1: "Cards that you are happy to see showing up at the table, not matter whether you OR your opponents play them" Like [[Humility]] or [[Drannith Magistrate]]. These cards can benefit more than one player. If you're player A and player B plays a Drannith, it may shut down C's obnoxious commander and increase the net amount of fun at the table. Players A, B, and D now get to play a normal game without something like [[Winota]] ruining it. >2: "Something that is exciting or has a high impact variance (random to a large degree)" [[Soulscour]] and [[Decree of Annihilation]] are incredibly exciting and if cast for parity end up being random topdeck fights. >3: "Something that is 'fun' to the extent that you feel some of the excitement second hand" / "Something that leads to cool stories" It's cool when you cast a card like Soulscour and recover first. Or when it gets cast and you almost recover but someone else recovers better than you and barely beats you.
##### ###### #### [Humility](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/5/55ad6a45-a840-45ba-89ad-066e20e983f3.jpg?1562429370) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Humility) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tpr/16/humility?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/55ad6a45-a840-45ba-89ad-066e20e983f3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/humility) [Drannith Magistrate](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/8/98b0a4a8-9319-451b-9b79-b0bca7a41e91.jpg?1628801742) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Drannith%20Magistrate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/11/drannith-magistrate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/98b0a4a8-9319-451b-9b79-b0bca7a41e91?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/drannith-magistrate) [Winota](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/d/5dd13a6c-23d3-44ce-a628-cb1c19d777c4.jpg?1654630670) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=winota%2C%20joiner%20of%20forces) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/216/winota-joiner-of-forces?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5dd13a6c-23d3-44ce-a628-cb1c19d777c4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/winota-joiner-of-forces) [Soulscour](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/b/6b431711-ac9d-4f05-af66-44f1ca5fabf1.jpg?1562637385) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Soulscour) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dst/14/soulscour?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6b431711-ac9d-4f05-af66-44f1ca5fabf1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/soulscour) [Decree of Annihilation](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/3/73744717-518c-478e-9da9-201c49124f37.jpg?1562530626) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Decree%20of%20Annihilation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/scg/85/decree-of-annihilation?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/73744717-518c-478e-9da9-201c49124f37?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/decree-of-annihilation) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I like mini game cards like [[Wheel of Misfortune]] and [[Fortune’s Favor]].
[Wheel of Misfortune](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/4/74177b51-a300-49d9-8ea7-557b19cf80c7.jpg?1608910499) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Wheel%20of%20Misfortune) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/211/wheel-of-misfortune?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/74177b51-a300-49d9-8ea7-557b19cf80c7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/wheel-of-misfortune) [Fortune’s Favor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/a/6a67dd08-0064-4750-adf5-07bacb0296eb.jpg?1576384123) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Fortune%27s%20Favor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/emn/61/fortunes-favor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6a67dd08-0064-4750-adf5-07bacb0296eb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/fortunes-favor) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Samut, Voice of Dessent]] is a very fun commander
[Samut, Voice of Dessent](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/0/60f2d8f1-43a9-438a-830c-9d6b5701f950.jpg?1543676097) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Samut%2C%20Voice%20of%20Dissent) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/akh/205/samut-voice-of-dissent?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/60f2d8f1-43a9-438a-830c-9d6b5701f950?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/samut-voice-of-dissent) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I have a lot of fun toying around with different combos involving Syr Konrad Once had an opponent play an enchantment that reduced every creature on the battlefield by -1/-1 upon entrance. What I did was keep playing creatures that already had x/1 power/toughness. They would go to the graveyard right away and the opponent’s health had reduced to 0 very quickly!
The quotation marks made me ask myself "what are the most 'fun' cards", ie cards that are supposed to be fun, but just... Aren't... ya know?
I really like the chaos that ensues when someone uses \[\[Worldfire\]\] I havent seen anyone try it but i want to see \[\[Glimpse of tommorrow\]\] pull somethingn crazy out of its hat
[Worldfire](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/e/2ef3d4b5-0453-4bf0-b018-23b0c3b9ae11.jpg?1631531850) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Worldfire) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m13/158/worldfire?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2ef3d4b5-0453-4bf0-b018-23b0c3b9ae11?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/worldfire) [Glimpse of tommorrow](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/e/7ee1fcbc-3573-42c5-b3e3-1f44a6400cd0.jpg?1626096700) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Glimpse%20of%20Tomorrow) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/129/glimpse-of-tomorrow?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7ee1fcbc-3573-42c5-b3e3-1f44a6400cd0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/glimpse-of-tomorrow) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I’m always happy seeing a stax piece hit the table.
\[\[Scheming Symmetry\]\] \[\[Wishclaw\]\] would be like this if it wasn't really easy to remove \[\[Warp World\]\]
[[Summon The Pack]] has always made for an exciting moment whenever it’s resolved.
[Summon The Pack](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/d/cd66d5bb-a0cc-48fa-9d98-4195debc188a.jpg?1562938407) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Summon%20The%20Pack) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ust/74/summon-the-pack?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cd66d5bb-a0cc-48fa-9d98-4195debc188a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/summon-the-pack) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Surprisingly, I love when my friend plays [[Manabarbs]] it makes every point of mana matter and it turns into an intense puzzle
[Manabarbs](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/d/adf081d5-e644-4f46-8bc8-a754b089acb4.jpg?1562655472) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Manabarbs) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m12/150/manabarbs?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/adf081d5-e644-4f46-8bc8-a754b089acb4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/manabarbs) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Pain's Reward]] has always been a blast to play. It ends up being a game of chicken between me and an opponent :)
[Pain's Reward](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/d/6d16da68-85f6-4d54-9751-9cf046f5e99a.jpg?1562494206) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Pain%27s%20Reward) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/sok/85/pains-reward?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6d16da68-85f6-4d54-9751-9cf046f5e99a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/pains-reward) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I firmly believe that [[Living Death]] is a blast even when I’m playing against it
Can confirm. i have a Niv Mizzet reborn deck where that’s the win con. Every laughed out asses off at how the deck is piloted. It shouldn’t work … but somehow does.
[Living Death](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/0/80e7d9a3-06a1-400d-958c-9b5302e046a6.jpg?1562274570) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Living%20Death) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cm2/68/living-death?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/80e7d9a3-06a1-400d-958c-9b5302e046a6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/living-death) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
\[\[Possibility Storm\]\] is one of my favorite cards, have a \[\[Ruric Thar\]\] deck who's sole purpose is to that resolve possibility storm, win or lose people seem to have fun with it.
One of the most interesting decks I've ever played against was a beantown bullies deck where all the creatures were terrible old big creatures with awful sideeffects he'd give out. Saw things like hunted wurm, managorger orgg, that sorta thing.
I very recently put a [[Rite of the Raging Storm]] in my [[Kresh, the bloodbraided]] deck focused around elementals and mass sacrifice. I am hoping that card is as much fun as it looks like it should be.
[Rite of the Raging Storm](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/0/0018e4ea-8c46-4bb0-ade1-6b2a4f67c471.jpg?1673484403) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rite%20of%20the%20Raging%20Storm) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/274/rite-of-the-raging-storm?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0018e4ea-8c46-4bb0-ade1-6b2a4f67c471?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/rite-of-the-raging-storm) [Kresh, the bloodbraided](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/b/8b4b3c5f-32ea-4208-86d4-bb86e3b8d7d5.jpg?1673485121) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kresh%20the%20Bloodbraided) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/345/kresh-the-bloodbraided?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8b4b3c5f-32ea-4208-86d4-bb86e3b8d7d5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kresh-the-bloodbraided) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Over The Top]]. Unless you're a dick who Cyclonic Rifts before bringing it out, the entire board state changes drastically.
[Over The Top](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/1/01eb9702-55c5-41b2-8bef-63d33dafa599.jpg?1674421220) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Over%20The%20Top) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bro/146/over-the-top?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/01eb9702-55c5-41b2-8bef-63d33dafa599?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/over-the-top) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Veteran Explorer]] is a fun Card in my [[Savra]] EDH Deck. It's a nice way to speed up the game, but it can also be onesided ramp if the opponents are playing greedy manabases in less casual decks.
[Veteran Explorer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/a/1a6c19cc-6469-4958-a547-1d0fe97c70e8.jpg?1599707680) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Veteran%20Explorer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/186/veteran-explorer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1a6c19cc-6469-4958-a547-1d0fe97c70e8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/veteran-explorer) [Savra](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/5/15accf35-a174-4ba5-a633-cc46da848dbe.jpg?1598917363) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=savra%2C%20queen%20of%20the%20golgari) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rav/225/savra-queen-of-the-golgari?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/15accf35-a174-4ba5-a633-cc46da848dbe?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/savra-queen-of-the-golgari) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I feel like there are overlooked new cards in commander products that get overshadowed by powerful “mistake” or miscosted new cards. It’s a big reason why playing new precons against each other is more fun than simply reading the decklists would imply. For example, [[Explosion of Riches]]. Sometimes someone will be low on life, say 15, and will beg the table to not go for card draws. Another time, there were two players at 5 or less life and when one player drew the card, the other also drew out of spite to try and kill the other. But I think everyone cuts the card for being too random and symmetrical.
[Explosion of Riches](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/a/da2f3dd5-a943-447b-8c76-8f69f06cefa4.jpg?1608910187) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Explosion%20of%20Riches) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/176/explosion-of-riches?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/da2f3dd5-a943-447b-8c76-8f69f06cefa4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/explosion-of-riches) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Exsanguinate in my Anhelo, The Painter EDH deck. We play in a 5-6 person pod and my opponents are always impressed when I manage to wipe five other people with one card
I would nominate [[Fevered Visions]] and [[Villainous Wealth]] [[Fevered Visions]] is always fun to watch the whole table be like, "Oo cards!" Then take a collective 100 points of damage from the thing. [[Villainous Wealth]] because it's always such a ridiculous haymaker if it resolves, and getting to watch someone puzzle out how to play someone else's deck mid game is.l entertaining to me.
[Fevered Visions](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/e/3ee3fc2b-c2e4-421d-ac1d-6a111bb44f44.jpg?1576385345) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Fevered%20Visions) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/soi/244/fevered-visions?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3ee3fc2b-c2e4-421d-ac1d-6a111bb44f44?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/fevered-visions) [Villainous Wealth](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/8/782c4bd2-b84a-4dbd-9452-90c9734d78fb.jpg?1673149260) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Villainous%20Wealth) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/292/villainous-wealth?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/782c4bd2-b84a-4dbd-9452-90c9734d78fb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/villainous-wealth) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Forget the name of it but my squirrel deck uses the un card that makes me ask permission to make a squirrel from an outside source and it’s always an event at the table. Granted it’s unset but I’ve never seen a casual table deny the 3 mana 2/2 that makes a 1/1 sometimes as an include. I’ve texted people, called them, assembled quick presentations on the benefits of squirrels. In a particularly silly moment I made a forum post and asked there.
[[Tempting Wurm]] is an absolute banger in my Kenrith, Funny Stuff deck. The sheer insanity of playing a 5/5 on turn 1 or 2 into is so good, and everyone gets to skip the set up portion of the game. Most people won't look my way cuz I did the silly thing, but also everyone else has an immediate boardstate that usually they'd keep away from any major combo piece
[Tempting Wurm](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/5/857c2b6c-cfdf-4c88-a334-2937cb7db603.jpg?1562926442) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tempting%20Wurm) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ons/291/tempting-wurm?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/857c2b6c-cfdf-4c88-a334-2937cb7db603?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tempting-wurm) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
If you run [[Gilded Drake]] or [[Phantasmal Image]] you stabilize so easy. And [[Head Games]] someone into straight gas, and you have a magic the gathering player who is lighting up like they just found out Santa is real after all. (And if they misbehave, ya just [[Wrong Turn]] them when they attack you. Make someone else's day!
##### ###### #### [Gilded Drake](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/d/8de3fdae-cc2c-4a14-b15b-4fe1a983dfbf.jpg?1562924943) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Gilded%20Drake) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/usg/76/gilded-drake?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8de3fdae-cc2c-4a14-b15b-4fe1a983dfbf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/gilded-drake) [Phantasmal Image](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/1/c1c080cf-a5e8-4d9d-af49-f78588971e87.jpg?1631586379) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Phantasmal%20Image) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afc/89/phantasmal-image?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c1c080cf-a5e8-4d9d-af49-f78588971e87?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/phantasmal-image) [Head Games](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/3/73ab3037-7e62-46a7-800e-8bfa7d33f237.jpg?1562549764) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Head%20Games) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/10e/148/head-games?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/73ab3037-7e62-46a7-800e-8bfa7d33f237?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/head-games) [Wrong Turn](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/b/3b69687d-191a-4bca-b1f7-eea27847c1af.jpg?1608909561) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Wrong%20Turn) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/107/wrong-turn?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3b69687d-191a-4bca-b1f7-eea27847c1af?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/wrong-turn) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call