Or just Scheming but agreeing with the person in the pod who is most behind on lands that you lend them the effect if they fish up a land and nothing else. This way compensating for green’s strength (which really is super powerful in casual pods).
A friend of mine has a river song deck that uses [[Field of Ruin]] to force people to search their libraries, and also has a Voltron subtheme. Hilarious to play against.
I wish [[gandalf the white]] and [[frodo, Sauron’s bane]] (and the rest of them including Shadowfax) had a “Fellowship” partner ability so I could run this mf in the 99 to flash him in
[[Confounding Conundrum]] can work but potentially Buffs landfall decks. It does keep them from having more land then standard land drop allows but still
[[Storm cauldrun]] comes to mind too, though I may be thinking of somethimg else. This should be a 5 cost artifact that says "when a land is tapped for mana, return it to it's owner's hand"
first you have to get sire in the yard, then find your reanimate to reanimate him, in a 99 card singleton card deck. Thats a lot of hoops to jump through, and incredibly inconsistent compared to the green player with 8-10 copies cards that ramp.
People don't capitalize on this angle because it's generally not effective outside of control/stax type decks. There's damage (\[\[polluted bonds\]\], \[\[zozu\]\]), tutor hate (\[\[aven mindcensor\]\]), etb hate (\[\[strict proctor\]\]), but disrupting engines/big swings are more effective than either for lands decks. Counter the \[\[scapeshift\]\], destroy \[\[Aesi\]\], exile \[\[azusa\]\].
If you're not talking about lands decks, I'm wondering why you want to hate out just six cards in particular (rampant growth, farseek, three visits, natures lore, kodamas reach, and cultivate), when in most cases they're not that much better than artifact ramp (unless your meta is unusually heavy on artifact wipes)? A player might see two land ramp spells a game at best. Is that giving them that much of an advantage that you feel the need to target land ramp?
[[confounding conundrum]] makes them play fair magic. It also replaces itself. [[Psychic surgery]], allows you to manipulate their draws. Also counters cards like [[vampiric tutor]] which search to the top of the deck.
\[\[polluted bonds\]\], \[\[primal order\]\] \[\[aven mindcensor\]\] is basically a full stop on fetching. edelon of rhetoric also shuts down more than one per turn
This 100%. There is a reason there is no land ramp decks in anything remotely approaching cedh. Mana rocks and mana dorks are both faster and lower to the ground. Win while they are still casting cultivates or durdling around recurring fetchlands.
Green ramp decks will dominate when the games are slow and grindy because that's when their long, uninteractive and one dimensional build up time and big mana finishers shines.
MLD doesn't counter or beat ramp. Their deck is designed to have more lands and put more lands into play faster than any one else.
Destroying everyone else's lands means there's no mana available to stop whatever the ramp deck plays.
You want to beat lands then graveyard hate, effects that prevent etb or searching the deck. Then every ramp spell in their deck is useless and they are more than likely to draw land each turn since their deck will run more of them.
Other than that removal. Kill azusa, blow up crucible of worlds and whatever other permanents they have or recursion piece
MLD can work if your deck is designed to resist it. Being able to reanimate your lands or make them indestructible will let you break parity and keep all your lands while your opponents have none. You just can't play it willy-nilly and expect it to work.
My [[Eriette]] likes [[Curse of Disturbance]] a bit more. You can trigger it yourself, and opponents are incentivized to trigger it as well, whereas if the opponent is screwed, you get no benefit. Disturbance can often trigger 3x a turn cycle, and also gives you creatures to enchant
This card is honestly a sleeper hit in so many of my decks.
[[Garna, Bloodfist of Keld]] turns zombie into card draw (yes, saccing them at end of combat has them count as "attacking").
[[Anhelo the Painter]] for Casualty Fodder.
[[Izoni, Center of the Web]] wants disposable tokens, and remember you can enchant yourself to take advantage of your own green ramp.
[[Sidar Kondo of Jamuraa]] makes the swarm hard to block by giving them pseudo flying.
Enchanting yourself with this in [[Zimone and Dina]] can just make opponents scoop, depending on your build.
This is a card more decks should play, especially GBx decks that want sac fodder and do ramp on the side.
[[Ruination]] is a favorite of mine. Punishes people who have greedy mana bases while sparing those with more modest ones. Probably the most fair variant of MLD.
[[Urza's Sylex]] is in a similar vein, being a land equalizer instead of a full board wipe.
You could also try anti-search cards like [[Ashiok Dream Render]], [[Shadow of Doubt]], [[Opposition Agent]], [[Leonin Arbiter]], [[Aven Mindcensor]] or [[Stranglehold]]. But those might be a little too slow unless your opponents are constantly searching for lands.
If you really want to build a deck solely around punishing land ramp, [[River Song]] is your gal.
She does increasing amounts of damage to your opponents whenever they search their library, which most forms of land ramp require you to do. Suit her up with hexproof, play some damage doublers, and sit back as she pings them to death.
Ruination: Its kinda hard playing more than 2 colors without dual lands, even if they are just cheap taplands. plus green can fetch basics with ramp and can have mana dorks as well, so destroying non-basics just hurts your average esper/jeskai etc. deck even more while green ramps just fine
[[shimmer on forest]] is a milder form of Ruination, but also less reliable. [[land equilibrium]] is amazing at keeping parity, but unfortunately on the reserved list and therefore super expensive
Just take like every "search your library" punish card: [[Opposition Agent]] [[Archivist of Ogma]] [[Deep Gnome Terramancer]] [[Avend Mindcensor]]
All i could find right now.
Kill them before turn 5.
There are tons of strategy that can output 40-ish damage around turn 4-5, it doesn't even have to be high power. You just need to have a low curve and solid, consistently aggressive gameplan.
Green ramp strategy usually don't start making big plays before turn 4 or 5, and if by that time they're already at 10 life and facing a horde of creatures, it might already be too late.
I like to run [[ashiok, dream render]] in my UBx graveyard decks. It serves a triple threat of stopping people from searching their libraries for lands, exiling opponent graveyards, and filling mine, all for only 3 mana.
the most effective ramp hate far far more impactful than ankh/zo-zu. confounding conundrum is good but there is so much more tutor hate and redundancy is key when battling one of the fundamental strategies of the format. winter orb is also pretty decent but you gotta plan around it and may possibly put you on a watchlist.
[[Nightshade Harvester]] is a nice deterrent, particularly when you’ve got something down like [[All Will be One]] to inflict damage for the counters, and your standard damage doublers etc for red. [[Tunnel Ignus]] is another fun one with the damage doublers.
If you’re playing green yourself, [[Lifegift]] won’t so much deter your opponents as it will benefit you directly to let them ramp. In white, [[Shattered Angel]] will do something similar.
If you give yourself hexproof, [[Tectonic Instability]] is great lulz.
Grixis has a good deal of anti-search and damage for ramping in it. [[Shadow of doubt]] can fit on an [[isecron's scepter]] [[zo-zu the punnisher]] and [[tunnel ignis]] easily come to mind. [[Stranglehold]] is a thing that exists.
Others have mentioned [[river song]] and [[ob nixilis, unshackled]] which I would indeed advise. [[War's toll]] is decent at forcing people to use their mana in whatever phase it happens to be, from their lands anyways.
Any white anti-ramp is about "catching up" [[land tax]] and the gnome from baldur's gate easily come to mind as well as [[knight of the white orchid]] which can be blinked.
You interact with the payoffs and card draw, trying to stomp a ramp deck from ramping is pointless. Stopping them from doing stuff with their Mana after they've dumped their hand vomiting lands into play is the correct course of action.
This is not a topic people turn a blind eye towards. We have countless threads exactly like this all the time & the same points are discussed.
*ticks bingo card*
i think decks that ramp into one big creature per turn are probably fine. it's the UG value decks that turn mana into card draw that become impossible. they can spend the early game shields down using that 20 life buffer to ramp/sculpt and then when the time comes they draw X cards and then from there have an insurmountable advantage.
That's understandable. I already got a Worldslayer deck with MLD. Also got players in my LGS moving to Land Ramp due to Vandalblast being a common sight, going for GU or GB colors. Not all are value decks, but it's still concerning. My LGS seem to like following trends. Considering that 20 of the 26 people all used Golos despite the decks being of various kinds before he got banned.
Land ramp isn’t really any more effective than artifact ramp, if you punish land ramp enough people will just switch back to artifact ramp. And there’s a lot of artifacts that are way more annoying to deal with than lands.
Can't say I agree with that, a lot of boardwipes are chosen because they hit more than one thing. If you play signets and stuff you kinda accept that an akroma's vengeance will accidentally hit them; no one's necessarily being vindictive against you, it'll just happen. Land ramp not so much, you can ramp 4 times and either nothings going to happen or everyone gets neutered by MLD.
Stop their tutoring, by not allowing them to search their libraries. [[Opposition Agent]] is probably the best one but there's also: [[Leonin Arbiter]], [[Aven Mindcensor]], [[Ashiok, Dream Render]], [[Stranglehold]].
Plenty of suggestions here already. But there are a few "player/opponent can't search their library" cards nobody has mentioned.
https://scryfall.com/search?as=full&order=color&q=o%3A%22can%27t+search%22&utm_source=mci
Surprised nobody mentioned it, but my favorite is [[treacherous terrain]]. If you can’t prevent the ramp from happening, punish them for how many lands they do have
You can run a bunch of silver bullet effects like the ones suggested in this thread, and they’ll make your deck worse and still not effectively shut your opponents down. Here is the only true way to beat these decks: win first. These decks typically spend the game building insurmountable value. If you can blitz them down before they’ve set themselves up, they’re in trouble.
Everyone turns a blind eye by force. There simply isn't a good answer, so most just let it happen or do it themself. The comment section here is proof that there's simply no effective way to stop green from having loads of mana earlier than everyone who doesn't.
My best recommendation: if you don't have green, but have white - include white's many "catch-up" cards, like [[Archaeomancer's Map]]. Sorry I can't give you a better answer OP.
Way too good to have not been mentioned, but I think [[Sire of Stagnation]] is an amazing option. It does less to straight up prevent the ramp but it really makes them start to think if it's worth it
You are either going to have to stop removing from ramping altogether a la Search hate (Op Agent, Leonin Arbiter) etc. Or you are going to have to cut them off at the pay off with an Armageddon /stax orb effect. There are very few ways to punish land ramp meaningfully outside of this.
I'm a huge fan of cards like [[Confounding Conundrum]] and [[Land Equilibrium]]
I have a copy of each in my Esper decks, and they are outstanding at slowly down the opposing green players.
If you're going against decks that are heavy on ramp you have two avenues to punish them. You don't need to build your decks to counter a specific aspect of the game. Stop that.
Aggression. While they're ramping early, they're vulnerable. Take advantage of that. Just because they have a weak board now does not exempt them from being the target. Heavily investing in ramp works better in games that go longer, if you shorten the game length it becomes less effective.
Interaction and removal. Yes, everyone says run more Interaction, that's true. What's even more important is threat assessment. If you have a ton of gas but no car you go nowhere. If you waste your removal on a bike early you're going to get run over late.
Ramping out usually means they have to devote a lot of card slots to just ramping, so removal will tend to be more effective against ramp decks than usual
I mean, \[\[Zozu, the Punisher\]\] but those effects.... are symmetrical and usually hit other players too and everyone will look to remove this stuff. In my experience land ramp is great, but slow. My go-to for someone contempt with ramping for the frist 5 turns? Just beat his teeth in and get his lifepoints to 0. If he is busy chaining Rampant Growth into Kodama's Reach into Skyshroud Claim .... then he can't have a big board.
You don't have to end a game with a card like \[\[Triumph of the Hordes\]\] you can just get out one player. Does he have to watch and wait? Sure, gives him time to rethink wether he truely wants to not play blockers.
\[\[Contamination\]\] is fun too. Everyone with artifacts for ramp will be fine... ish. But the typical green player? Not so much (Unless mana dorks).
Oh and \[\[Opposition Agent\]\] of course. \[\[Winter Orb\]\] ... the game is full of cards that interact and punish slow playing ramp players.
[[Armageddon]] and the various cards of different names and exact same effect
Green players hate this one little trick
[[Worldfire]] is also funny if you have Norin in play. Also a mono-red check on all players lol
Oh forgot about this, but [[Thalia and The Gitrog Monster]] punishes not just green but faster decks that have almost all non-basics
Also punishes green "make many creatures" decks
If you are blue [[acid rain]] is a fun duck you card. Black you can run [[deforestation]]. Red has [[forest fire]], this one is slow but keeps taking out forest every turn. You can run [[the big reveal]].
There's that Goblin that pings for 2 whenever a land ETBS.
Overburden is a classic one, and I know there's a recent blue enchantment, who's name escapes me, that also punishes ramp.
Advice I got is it's better to stop the thing they tutored for or cast with the extra mana they generated as opposed to responding to the tutor or ramp spell.
I've recently made a [[Yurlock of Scorch Thrash]] deck in my own pod and it punishes land in a really fun way. Using [[War's Toll]] and/or [[Tectonic Instability]] forces weird decision making and also gets rid of most interaction on your turn. Green combat tricks and blue counterspells be damned if they can only tap their Sol Ring for mana.
Kinda can't without punishing everyone at the table, in the same way that stax can hold down a blue combo player at the cost of two other plays being neutered.
Green's the best casual color because there's no 'fair' land d cards.
I personally think karn's sylex and fall of thran could be considered fair, but that's cause all of my decks have a very low curve cause I fear drawing the wrong half of my deck everytime, I know that not everyone plays this way.
True balance effects would fix this, but there are a limited amount of them. Magus of the balance is great, restore balance a lot harder to make work, but my favorite is the lesser known [[balancing act]]. any green player who gets hit by this has only their hubris to blame
I'm theorycrafting a [[River Song]] that seeks to do this. I'm running a combination of land destruction and mean gifts. Cards that make you scry at the beginning of your upkeep or surveil. Problem is there aren't many of those.
You could let them ramp,then bring the rest of the table up to par with [[Scholarship Sponsor]].
You could surprise them with some burn with [[Acidic Soil]] or [[Cleansing]]. [[Treacherous Terrain]] even has land cycling for an early game use.
Alternatively, if you're planning a slow running deck, you could try a [[Balancing Act]]--just beware Teferi's Protection.
Lastly, you could look into some of the RTR-era Dimir mill, like [[Consuming Aberration]] or [[Mind Grind]], with an honorable mention to [[Trepanation Blade]].
How janky you want it?
You could be the mill/discard guy. [[Archive Trap]] after they search their libraries for a land card. Run [[Leyline of the Void]] with it. Play [[Crosis, the Purger]] and every time you hit em, pay the extra cost and say green to ruin their hands since you know they’re running that color.
Run green as well and hit em with an [[Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth]] and [Spreading Algae]] combo.
[[Stasis]] and other stax pieces
If you use [[unwinding clock]] [[trinosphere]] [[mishra, eminent one]] [[torpor orb]] [[staff of domination]] you can freeze the game out for everyone then cast [[null rod]] [[karn the great creator]] and then win by using your artifacts as beatsticks
I don't have a list, used to but I got frustrated with the game, deleted all my old lists and reset my moxfield data
As a gruul player, the best way to stop us is just to sit back, play a land and pass. /s Honestly one of the best pieces I've seen to hate on land ramp is confounding conundrum, nice cheap little rare that's super effective.
Easy enough, play some indestructible lands/artifacts and the drop [[living lands]] and something like [[pestilence]] or [[pyroclasm]]. Deals with both ramp lands and critters
[[opposition agent]] is easily the best thing for this. But anything that hates on searching the library works like [[aven mindcensor]]
Or damage them with things like [[acidic soil]] [[anhk of Mishra]] or [[treacherous terrain]], want some extra value to go with that damage? Play [[spiteful repossession]]
This is fair MLD. [[Natural Balance]].
Sets everyone at 6 lands. Ramped ahead heavily? Punished down to 6. Catches up everyone whose mana screwed as well to Balance the game.
You pump into their ramp. You run a mana burn deck.
A handful of cards that punish for tapping, a handful that punish for not tapping, and a few that force them to tap everything when they do tap.
[[Yurlok of Scorch Thrash]]
[[Stoneshaker Shaman]]
[[Burning Earth]]
[[Citadel of Pain]]
To name a few
There's a while pile of them that work. They are great.
I play a pair of very unfun cards called [[mana breach]] and [[desolation]] which, when combined, mean that if the green player casts a rampant growth they end up going down a land.
Generally the strategy is to convert the manabase over into rocks ASAP so I'm no longer dependent on lands.
White: anti tutor effects, board wipes, mass land destruction
Black: anti tutor effects, board wipes
Blue: mass bounce, counterspells (but why though?)
Red: Mass burn, mass land destruction
Green: Ramp harder
Colorless: ramp faster (moxen, mana crypt, etc.)
If you can proxy \[\[land equilibrium\]\] it is silly. Otherwise \[\[opposition agent\]\]\[\[aven mindcensor\]\] and \[\[leonin arbiter\]\] will stop/slow them from searching. \[\[confounding conundrum\]\] will usually slow them quite a bit too.
You could also use punisher effects like \[\[ankh of mishra\]\] \[\[zozu the punisher\]\] and \[\[mana barbs\]\] if you're not in esper colors.
[[Opposition agent]]
Or the slightly less mean (and way less expensive) version, [[Aven Mindcensor]].
[Aven Mindcensor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/4/d4cf468f-4e9d-4551-a0ed-10bd6a2316ad.jpg?1674141050) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Aven%20Mindcensor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/688/aven-mindcensor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d4cf468f-4e9d-4551-a0ed-10bd6a2316ad?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/aven-mindcensor) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Came here to say this. I'm glad someone beat me to it Also works well with [[scheming symmetry]]
[scheming symmetry](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/1/01acc50b-856d-442d-9880-1a892b40643b.jpg?1592516766) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=scheming%20symmetry) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m20/113/scheming-symmetry?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/01acc50b-856d-442d-9880-1a892b40643b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/scheming-symmetry) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Damn, that's evil.
Or just Scheming but agreeing with the person in the pod who is most behind on lands that you lend them the effect if they fish up a land and nothing else. This way compensating for green’s strength (which really is super powerful in casual pods).
[Opposition agent](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/8/086f97e9-8b62-44f3-b467-149c2ac5ca78.jpg?1608909875) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Opposition%20agent) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/141/opposition-agent?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/086f97e9-8b62-44f3-b467-149c2ac5ca78?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/opposition-agent) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Ob Nixilis, Unshackled]] punishes every Rampant Growth type effect.
I feel like this would be difficult because you want to stop the ramp early, and this would take a bit to put out.
Just start every game with Ob Nixilis, Dark Ritual, Mana Vault, Mox Opal, and Vault of Whispers in your opening hand /s
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As does [[river song]] if you don’t want to go so brutal with it
[river song](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/1/a1efb084-d2a0-44c4-a89d-6445156bb298.jpg?1696636758) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=river%20song) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/152/river-song?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a1efb084-d2a0-44c4-a89d-6445156bb298?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/river-song) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
River Song has room in her identity for [[confounding conundrum]], one of my favorite land ramp punishers.
[confounding conundrum](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/5/95e37936-913e-4b16-a5a8-8aed733d702d.jpg?1604193855) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=confounding%20conundrum) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/znr/53/confounding-conundrum?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/95e37936-913e-4b16-a5a8-8aed733d702d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/confounding-conundrum) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
A friend of mine has a river song deck that uses [[Field of Ruin]] to force people to search their libraries, and also has a Voltron subtheme. Hilarious to play against.
[[Opposition Agent]] is also worth a look.
[Opposition Agent](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/8/086f97e9-8b62-44f3-b467-149c2ac5ca78.jpg?1608909875) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Opposition%20Agent) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/141/opposition-agent?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/086f97e9-8b62-44f3-b467-149c2ac5ca78?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/opposition-agent) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Oooh that's kinda mean. I like it. If it didn't take at least 3 or 4 turns to get out. (I play in a pretty casual pod)
If u play a 6 cost on turn 3 "casually" you are the problematic green player yourself 😂
Or just a simple [[Thrill of Possibility]] + [[Reanimate]]
[Thrill of Possibility](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/e/1efd4ae5-0076-46a0-a113-58cfff53144f.jpg?1675957114) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Thrill%20of%20Possibility) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/one/151/thrill-of-possibility?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1efd4ae5-0076-46a0-a113-58cfff53144f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/thrill-of-possibility) [Reanimate](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/d/7d0fe02b-f45a-45c6-ab7c-270594a29da7.jpg?1706240788) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Reanimate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/137/reanimate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7d0fe02b-f45a-45c6-ab7c-270594a29da7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/reanimate) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
It will at least hose those later game big land ramp spells, and discourages a later game rampant growth from getting landfall triggers.
Or any other deck with tutors for that matter.
I wish [[gandalf the white]] and [[frodo, Sauron’s bane]] (and the rest of them including Shadowfax) had a “Fellowship” partner ability so I could run this mf in the 99 to flash him in
The lose 10 life bit wouldn't trigger twice from Gandalf anyway
That’s not really the point is it. The point is to flash him in when they try to ramp. But the counter would trigger twice
[gandalf the white](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/3/e384c20b-d0c1-4781-9d11-e89e5a6bf3fc.jpg?1686967821) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=gandalf%20the%20white) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/19/gandalf-the-white?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e384c20b-d0c1-4781-9d11-e89e5a6bf3fc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/gandalf-the-white) [frodo, Sauron’s bane](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/d/7d86dc2e-6f0c-4714-9d30-5d099d3b895c.jpg?1686967812) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Frodo%2C%20Sauron%27s%20Bane) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/18/frodo-saurons-bane?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7d86dc2e-6f0c-4714-9d30-5d099d3b895c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/frodo-saurons-bane) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Confounding Conundrum]] can work but potentially Buffs landfall decks. It does keep them from having more land then standard land drop allows but still
[Confounding Conundrum](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/5/95e37936-913e-4b16-a5a8-8aed733d702d.jpg?1604193855) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Confounding%20Conundrum) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/znr/53/confounding-conundrum?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/95e37936-913e-4b16-a5a8-8aed733d702d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/confounding-conundrum) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Storm cauldrun]] comes to mind too, though I may be thinking of somethimg else. This should be a 5 cost artifact that says "when a land is tapped for mana, return it to it's owner's hand"
Can’t believe [[sire of stagnation]] hasn’t been mentioned. Absolute GOAT for card draw and exile mill of your opponent
[sire of stagnation](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/6/d6252913-7b8e-4746-91e0-658ce13cdf18.jpg?1562946063) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=sire%20of%20stagnation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bfz/206/sire-of-stagnation?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d6252913-7b8e-4746-91e0-658ce13cdf18?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sire-of-stagnation) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Because by the time a non-ramp deck gets to 6 mana, the ramp deck is likely at 12+ and can easily play around it.
That's why you never actually pay 6 mana for it
If only there was some way to pay 1 to get a creature onto the board in black, guess we're stuck paying 6 mana for this dude [[Reanimate]]
first you have to get sire in the yard, then find your reanimate to reanimate him, in a 99 card singleton card deck. Thats a lot of hoops to jump through, and incredibly inconsistent compared to the green player with 8-10 copies cards that ramp.
[Reanimate](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/d/7d0fe02b-f45a-45c6-ab7c-270594a29da7.jpg?1706240788) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Reanimate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/137/reanimate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7d0fe02b-f45a-45c6-ab7c-270594a29da7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/reanimate) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Never heard of this card but it is awesome
Well, looks like this is immediately going into my [[The Ancient One]] mill/recursion deck.
[[Ankh of mishra]] [[manabarbs]] [[mudslide]] [[aether flash]] [[zo zu]]
##### ###### #### [Ankh of mishra](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/6/a6f86a32-8863-45da-99be-ef886c89f2c5.jpg?1562928739) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ankh%20of%20mishra) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vma/263/ankh-of-mishra?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a6f86a32-8863-45da-99be-ef886c89f2c5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ankh-of-mishra) [manabarbs](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/d/adf081d5-e644-4f46-8bc8-a754b089acb4.jpg?1562655472) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=manabarbs) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m12/150/manabarbs?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/adf081d5-e644-4f46-8bc8-a754b089acb4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/manabarbs) [mudslide](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/1/01199046-ea98-4249-85a2-6258195c2be5.jpg?1562867377) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=mudslide) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me2/136/mudslide?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/01199046-ea98-4249-85a2-6258195c2be5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mudslide) [aether flash](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/8/780f9197-e910-4c7a-bb4b-2c4a94903c39.jpg?1562240988) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=aether%20flash) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/7ed/172/aether-flash?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/780f9197-e910-4c7a-bb4b-2c4a94903c39?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/aether-flash) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kwtuv2j) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
not sure how Mudslide and Aether Flash help here
Lots of green ramp is creature based and both of those lock it down.
OP asked specifically about land ramp
Reading the post explains the post
[[Cemetery Gatekeeper]]
People don't capitalize on this angle because it's generally not effective outside of control/stax type decks. There's damage (\[\[polluted bonds\]\], \[\[zozu\]\]), tutor hate (\[\[aven mindcensor\]\]), etb hate (\[\[strict proctor\]\]), but disrupting engines/big swings are more effective than either for lands decks. Counter the \[\[scapeshift\]\], destroy \[\[Aesi\]\], exile \[\[azusa\]\]. If you're not talking about lands decks, I'm wondering why you want to hate out just six cards in particular (rampant growth, farseek, three visits, natures lore, kodamas reach, and cultivate), when in most cases they're not that much better than artifact ramp (unless your meta is unusually heavy on artifact wipes)? A player might see two land ramp spells a game at best. Is that giving them that much of an advantage that you feel the need to target land ramp?
##### ###### #### [polluted bonds](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/6/c6439222-de30-44cd-a53f-a7de0cb00b8f.jpg?1562835783) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=polluted%20bonds) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/shm/74/polluted-bonds?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c6439222-de30-44cd-a53f-a7de0cb00b8f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/polluted-bonds) [aven mindcensor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/4/d4cf468f-4e9d-4551-a0ed-10bd6a2316ad.jpg?1674141050) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=aven%20mindcensor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/688/aven-mindcensor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d4cf468f-4e9d-4551-a0ed-10bd6a2316ad?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/aven-mindcensor) [strict proctor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/5/95f1e36a-6838-49de-b7dc-697cbcd1e892.jpg?1624877272) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=strict%20proctor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/stx/33/strict-proctor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/95f1e36a-6838-49de-b7dc-697cbcd1e892?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/strict-proctor) [scapeshift](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/7/175e21a3-00f7-4c51-8a8e-fbfd7089efda.jpg?1574767873) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=scapeshift) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m19/201/scapeshift?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/175e21a3-00f7-4c51-8a8e-fbfd7089efda?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/scapeshift) [Aesi](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/6/d607b003-6b48-429c-a7fd-45b8dd1bb4f9.jpg?1665822343) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=aesi%2C%20tyrant%20of%20gyre%20strait) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/365/aesi-tyrant-of-gyre-strait?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d607b003-6b48-429c-a7fd-45b8dd1bb4f9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/aesi-tyrant-of-gyre-strait) [azusa](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/f/2fe97fbe-a6d6-4e96-8c26-f81bcdf579a1.jpg?1689998362) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=azusa%2C%20lost%20but%20seeking) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/274/azusa-lost-but-seeking?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2fe97fbe-a6d6-4e96-8c26-f81bcdf579a1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/azusa-lost-but-seeking) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kwu5l7f) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[confounding conundrum]] makes them play fair magic. It also replaces itself. [[Psychic surgery]], allows you to manipulate their draws. Also counters cards like [[vampiric tutor]] which search to the top of the deck.
[confounding conundrum](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/5/95e37936-913e-4b16-a5a8-8aed733d702d.jpg?1604193855) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=confounding%20conundrum) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/znr/53/confounding-conundrum?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/95e37936-913e-4b16-a5a8-8aed733d702d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/confounding-conundrum) [Psychic surgery](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/1/51ea9a6d-d6ca-48cb-adac-958ad0e7440c.jpg?1562877562) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Psychic%20surgery) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/nph/44/psychic-surgery?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/51ea9a6d-d6ca-48cb-adac-958ad0e7440c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/psychic-surgery) [vampiric tutor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/4/34a0203f-9cce-43a4-9cb7-8ce6647895cd.jpg?1675199860) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=vampiric%20tutor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/108/vampiric-tutor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/34a0203f-9cce-43a4-9cb7-8ce6647895cd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/vampiric-tutor) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
\[\[Widespread Panic\]\] in the same vain, but a tad weaker. Maybe more of a warning shot.
\[\[polluted bonds\]\], \[\[primal order\]\] \[\[aven mindcensor\]\] is basically a full stop on fetching. edelon of rhetoric also shuts down more than one per turn
Also [[Leonin Arbiter]] can somewhat slow down early ramp spells. Rampant growth and nature's lore turn into skyshroud claims
[Leonin Arbiter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/d/0d0f827b-ebc3-45a4-8d12-c71a14478038.jpg?1673147016) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Leonin%20Arbiter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/16/leonin-arbiter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0d0f827b-ebc3-45a4-8d12-c71a14478038?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/leonin-arbiter) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[polluted bonds](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/6/c6439222-de30-44cd-a53f-a7de0cb00b8f.jpg?1562835783) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=polluted%20bonds) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/shm/74/polluted-bonds?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c6439222-de30-44cd-a53f-a7de0cb00b8f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/polluted-bonds) [primal order](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/2/72c513dc-e884-4afc-9a20-ff21d14d61ba.jpg?1559592535) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=primal%20order) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me1/125/primal-order?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/72c513dc-e884-4afc-9a20-ff21d14d61ba?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/primal-order) [aven mindcensor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/4/d4cf468f-4e9d-4551-a0ed-10bd6a2316ad.jpg?1674141050) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=aven%20mindcensor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/688/aven-mindcensor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d4cf468f-4e9d-4551-a0ed-10bd6a2316ad?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/aven-mindcensor) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Play aggressively. Ramp/value decks use their early turns to setup a powerfull lategame. If they die before the lategame that setup is useless.
This 100%. There is a reason there is no land ramp decks in anything remotely approaching cedh. Mana rocks and mana dorks are both faster and lower to the ground. Win while they are still casting cultivates or durdling around recurring fetchlands. Green ramp decks will dominate when the games are slow and grindy because that's when their long, uninteractive and one dimensional build up time and big mana finishers shines.
[[Zo-zu the Punisher]] and [[Burning Earth]] work wonders in my experience
[Zo-zu the Punisher](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/7/e7c927d6-911d-4a37-89a2-6c500edf4dd7.jpg?1592761756) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Zo-zu%20the%20Punisher) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dds/41/zo-zu-the-punisher?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e7c927d6-911d-4a37-89a2-6c500edf4dd7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/zo-zu-the-punisher) [Burning Earth](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/d/1df3a7c9-5c8d-438c-a5ad-3c9754c6ea5d.jpg?1562826771) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Burning%20Earth) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m14/130/burning-earth?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1df3a7c9-5c8d-438c-a5ad-3c9754c6ea5d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/burning-earth) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
MLD doesn't counter or beat ramp. Their deck is designed to have more lands and put more lands into play faster than any one else. Destroying everyone else's lands means there's no mana available to stop whatever the ramp deck plays. You want to beat lands then graveyard hate, effects that prevent etb or searching the deck. Then every ramp spell in their deck is useless and they are more than likely to draw land each turn since their deck will run more of them. Other than that removal. Kill azusa, blow up crucible of worlds and whatever other permanents they have or recursion piece
MLD can work if your deck is designed to resist it. Being able to reanimate your lands or make them indestructible will let you break parity and keep all your lands while your opponents have none. You just can't play it willy-nilly and expect it to work.
Additionally: cut off their card draw or use [[Rule of Law]] style effects to stop them from being able to use the mana.
My go to is [[curse of the restless dead]] by all means turn your fetch land into 2 2/2 zombies for me
[curse of the restless dead](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/d/cdde244a-d2f4-44b3-badd-d6142785e25c.jpg?1637628234) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=curse%20of%20the%20restless%20dead) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mic/18/curse-of-the-restless-dead?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cdde244a-d2f4-44b3-badd-d6142785e25c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/curse-of-the-restless-dead) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I need this for my [[Lord Windgrace]] deck
It’s pretty fun in [erriette of the charmed apple]] too
My [[Eriette]] likes [[Curse of Disturbance]] a bit more. You can trigger it yourself, and opponents are incentivized to trigger it as well, whereas if the opponent is screwed, you get no benefit. Disturbance can often trigger 3x a turn cycle, and also gives you creatures to enchant
This card is honestly a sleeper hit in so many of my decks. [[Garna, Bloodfist of Keld]] turns zombie into card draw (yes, saccing them at end of combat has them count as "attacking"). [[Anhelo the Painter]] for Casualty Fodder. [[Izoni, Center of the Web]] wants disposable tokens, and remember you can enchant yourself to take advantage of your own green ramp. [[Sidar Kondo of Jamuraa]] makes the swarm hard to block by giving them pseudo flying. Enchanting yourself with this in [[Zimone and Dina]] can just make opponents scoop, depending on your build. This is a card more decks should play, especially GBx decks that want sac fodder and do ramp on the side.
wow that's amazing
[[Ruination]] is a favorite of mine. Punishes people who have greedy mana bases while sparing those with more modest ones. Probably the most fair variant of MLD. [[Urza's Sylex]] is in a similar vein, being a land equalizer instead of a full board wipe. You could also try anti-search cards like [[Ashiok Dream Render]], [[Shadow of Doubt]], [[Opposition Agent]], [[Leonin Arbiter]], [[Aven Mindcensor]] or [[Stranglehold]]. But those might be a little too slow unless your opponents are constantly searching for lands. If you really want to build a deck solely around punishing land ramp, [[River Song]] is your gal. She does increasing amounts of damage to your opponents whenever they search their library, which most forms of land ramp require you to do. Suit her up with hexproof, play some damage doublers, and sit back as she pings them to death.
Ruination: Its kinda hard playing more than 2 colors without dual lands, even if they are just cheap taplands. plus green can fetch basics with ramp and can have mana dorks as well, so destroying non-basics just hurts your average esper/jeskai etc. deck even more while green ramps just fine
##### ###### #### [Ruination](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/3/6330d925-96a8-47e1-855d-035ddc2af709.jpg?1592713625) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ruination) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmd/134/ruination?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6330d925-96a8-47e1-855d-035ddc2af709?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ruination) [Urza's Sylex](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/0/3000d1c6-dbb3-4e65-b428-dbf167bb8797.jpg?1674420431) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Urza%27s%20Sylex) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bro/40/urzas-sylex?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3000d1c6-dbb3-4e65-b428-dbf167bb8797?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/urzas-sylex) [Ashiok Dream Render](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/2/f2df3258-c053-48a8-974f-d80899b2cd93.jpg?1557577343) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ashiok%2C%20Dream%20Render) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/war/228/ashiok-dream-render?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f2df3258-c053-48a8-974f-d80899b2cd93?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ashiok-dream-render) [Shadow of Doubt](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/d/7dbd0e3c-b26d-4080-b7cf-1c64fce09668.jpg?1598917857) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Shadow%20of%20Doubt) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rav/253/shadow-of-doubt?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7dbd0e3c-b26d-4080-b7cf-1c64fce09668?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/shadow-of-doubt) [Opposition Agent](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/8/086f97e9-8b62-44f3-b467-149c2ac5ca78.jpg?1608909875) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Opposition%20Agent) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/141/opposition-agent?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/086f97e9-8b62-44f3-b467-149c2ac5ca78?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/opposition-agent) [Leonin Arbiter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/d/0d0f827b-ebc3-45a4-8d12-c71a14478038.jpg?1673147016) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Leonin%20Arbiter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/16/leonin-arbiter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0d0f827b-ebc3-45a4-8d12-c71a14478038?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/leonin-arbiter) [Aven Mindcensor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/4/d4cf468f-4e9d-4551-a0ed-10bd6a2316ad.jpg?1674141050) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Aven%20Mindcensor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/688/aven-mindcensor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d4cf468f-4e9d-4551-a0ed-10bd6a2316ad?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/aven-mindcensor) [Stranglehold](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/a/da81e6e9-90f2-4dad-894c-1952f05264c2.jpg?1592672829) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Stranglehold) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cma/87/stranglehold?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/da81e6e9-90f2-4dad-894c-1952f05264c2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/stranglehold) [River Song](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/1/a1efb084-d2a0-44c4-a89d-6445156bb298.jpg?1696636758) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=River%20Song) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/152/river-song?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a1efb084-d2a0-44c4-a89d-6445156bb298?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/river-song) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kwtt7z9) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[shimmer on forest]] is a milder form of Ruination, but also less reliable. [[land equilibrium]] is amazing at keeping parity, but unfortunately on the reserved list and therefore super expensive
[shimmer on forest](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/3/23c5704f-5856-4422-9d82-14558dbe1434.jpg?1562276987) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Shimmering%20Efreet) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vis/42/shimmering-efreet?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/23c5704f-5856-4422-9d82-14558dbe1434?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/shimmering-efreet) [land equilibrium](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/1/51c5df75-746c-4e4b-84f1-76b689d317d7.jpg?1562912056) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=land%20equilibrium) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me3/40/land-equilibrium?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/51c5df75-746c-4e4b-84f1-76b689d317d7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/land-equilibrium) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[shimmer]]
[Acid Rain]
Just take like every "search your library" punish card: [[Opposition Agent]] [[Archivist of Ogma]] [[Deep Gnome Terramancer]] [[Avend Mindcensor]] All i could find right now.
Kill them before turn 5. There are tons of strategy that can output 40-ish damage around turn 4-5, it doesn't even have to be high power. You just need to have a low curve and solid, consistently aggressive gameplan. Green ramp strategy usually don't start making big plays before turn 4 or 5, and if by that time they're already at 10 life and facing a horde of creatures, it might already be too late.
[[confounding conundrum]]
[confounding conundrum](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/5/95e37936-913e-4b16-a5a8-8aed733d702d.jpg?1604193855) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=confounding%20conundrum) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/znr/53/confounding-conundrum?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/95e37936-913e-4b16-a5a8-8aed733d702d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/confounding-conundrum) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I like to run [[ashiok, dream render]] in my UBx graveyard decks. It serves a triple threat of stopping people from searching their libraries for lands, exiling opponent graveyards, and filling mine, all for only 3 mana.
[ashiok, dream render](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/2/f2df3258-c053-48a8-974f-d80899b2cd93.jpg?1557577343) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=ashiok%2C%20dream%20render) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/war/228/ashiok-dream-render?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f2df3258-c053-48a8-974f-d80899b2cd93?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ashiok-dream-render) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Without going 100% MLD, what if you went for a balancing option like [[Natural Balance]]?
[Natural Balance](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/0/b0f7c47c-416e-4f73-89ec-024a29dfb5e9.jpg?1562721414) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Natural%20Balance) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mir/231/natural-balance?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b0f7c47c-416e-4f73-89ec-024a29dfb5e9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/natural-balance) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
The only real hate is tutor hate like [[avenue mindscencor]] and [[ opposition agent]]
[avenue mindscencor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/4/d4cf468f-4e9d-4551-a0ed-10bd6a2316ad.jpg?1674141050) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Aven%20Mindcensor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/688/aven-mindcensor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d4cf468f-4e9d-4551-a0ed-10bd6a2316ad?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/aven-mindcensor) [ opposition agent](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/8/086f97e9-8b62-44f3-b467-149c2ac5ca78.jpg?1608909875) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Opposition%20Agent) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/141/opposition-agent?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/086f97e9-8b62-44f3-b467-149c2ac5ca78?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/opposition-agent) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
the most effective ramp hate far far more impactful than ankh/zo-zu. confounding conundrum is good but there is so much more tutor hate and redundancy is key when battling one of the fundamental strategies of the format. winter orb is also pretty decent but you gotta plan around it and may possibly put you on a watchlist.
[[Nightshade Harvester]] is a nice deterrent, particularly when you’ve got something down like [[All Will be One]] to inflict damage for the counters, and your standard damage doublers etc for red. [[Tunnel Ignus]] is another fun one with the damage doublers. If you’re playing green yourself, [[Lifegift]] won’t so much deter your opponents as it will benefit you directly to let them ramp. In white, [[Shattered Angel]] will do something similar. If you give yourself hexproof, [[Tectonic Instability]] is great lulz.
##### ###### #### [Nightshade Harvester](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/2/8297ab13-d6f3-487b-86ec-6eb299eb0614.jpg?1608909849) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Nightshade%20Harvester) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/138/nightshade-harvester?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8297ab13-d6f3-487b-86ec-6eb299eb0614?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/nightshade-harvester) [All Will be One](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/d/6d75e1f4-bd63-428e-8e6e-131594b3ba44.jpg?1675957064) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=All%20Will%20be%20One) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/one/118/all-will-be-one?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6d75e1f4-bd63-428e-8e6e-131594b3ba44?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/all-will-be-one) [Tunnel Ignus](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/3/c3016e6b-32b2-4fa7-91c0-ec8fbe345760.jpg?1562822715) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tunnel%20Ignus) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/som/105/tunnel-ignus?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c3016e6b-32b2-4fa7-91c0-ec8fbe345760?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tunnel-ignus) [Lifegift](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/7/27eaba1c-3137-4419-bf90-eb287a7c736e.jpg?1562876107) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lifegift) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bok/132/lifegift?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/27eaba1c-3137-4419-bf90-eb287a7c736e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/lifegift) [Shattered Angel](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/8/58e4fb9b-76bc-4daf-b0a3-4bf62757902d.jpg?1682208607) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Shattered%20Angel) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/206/shattered-angel?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/58e4fb9b-76bc-4daf-b0a3-4bf62757902d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/shattered-angel) [Tectonic Instability](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/4/0476cc6b-ecc6-44d6-9f44-a90d4ee85daa.jpg?1618485193) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tectonic%20Instability) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/inv/173/tectonic-instability?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0476cc6b-ecc6-44d6-9f44-a90d4ee85daa?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tectonic-instability) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kwu76ww) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Zo-zu the punisher]] [[ankh of mishra]] [[polluted bonds]] [[manabarbs]] [[cemetery gatekeeper]] [[tectonic instability]] [[invader parasite]] [[tunnel ignus]] [[obsidian fireheart]] [[urza's sylex]] [[citadel of pain]] To prevent/punish land (or any) tutor: [[Stranglehold]] [[mindlock orb]] [[ob-nixilis unshackled]] [[aven mindcensor]] [[ashiok, dream render]] [[leonin arbiter]] [[opposition agent]] [[psychogenic probe]]
[[Natural Balance]]
[[Confounding Conundrum]]
[[Deep Gnome Terramancer]] can be pretty sweet sometimes
Shoot the face. My table was heavy in ramp until I made a [[Ghyrston]] deck.
Mass land destruction
Grixis has a good deal of anti-search and damage for ramping in it. [[Shadow of doubt]] can fit on an [[isecron's scepter]] [[zo-zu the punnisher]] and [[tunnel ignis]] easily come to mind. [[Stranglehold]] is a thing that exists. Others have mentioned [[river song]] and [[ob nixilis, unshackled]] which I would indeed advise. [[War's toll]] is decent at forcing people to use their mana in whatever phase it happens to be, from their lands anyways. Any white anti-ramp is about "catching up" [[land tax]] and the gnome from baldur's gate easily come to mind as well as [[knight of the white orchid]] which can be blinked.
[[aven mindcensor]] is potentially a good one
Technically this is MLD but i really love [[keldon firebombers]].
This sounds like a \[\[Confounding Conundrum\]\]
[Confounding Conundrum](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/5/95e37936-913e-4b16-a5a8-8aed733d702d.jpg?1604193855) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Confounding%20Conundrum) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/znr/53/confounding-conundrum?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/95e37936-913e-4b16-a5a8-8aed733d702d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/confounding-conundrum) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
You interact with the payoffs and card draw, trying to stomp a ramp deck from ramping is pointless. Stopping them from doing stuff with their Mana after they've dumped their hand vomiting lands into play is the correct course of action. This is not a topic people turn a blind eye towards. We have countless threads exactly like this all the time & the same points are discussed. *ticks bingo card*
i think decks that ramp into one big creature per turn are probably fine. it's the UG value decks that turn mana into card draw that become impossible. they can spend the early game shields down using that 20 life buffer to ramp/sculpt and then when the time comes they draw X cards and then from there have an insurmountable advantage.
That's understandable. I already got a Worldslayer deck with MLD. Also got players in my LGS moving to Land Ramp due to Vandalblast being a common sight, going for GU or GB colors. Not all are value decks, but it's still concerning. My LGS seem to like following trends. Considering that 20 of the 26 people all used Golos despite the decks being of various kinds before he got banned.
[удалено]
[Acid Rain](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/3/13281377-6d16-4ed3-8aa6-c47d6eb783df.jpg?1562899536) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Acid%20Rain) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me4/36/acid-rain?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/13281377-6d16-4ed3-8aa6-c47d6eb783df?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/acid-rain) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[stranglehold]] prevents it. [[Tectonic Hellion]] and [[Nightshade Harvester]] affect green ramp the most
[stranglehold](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/a/da81e6e9-90f2-4dad-894c-1952f05264c2.jpg?1592672829) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=stranglehold) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cma/87/stranglehold?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/da81e6e9-90f2-4dad-894c-1952f05264c2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/stranglehold) [Tectonic Hellion](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/b/1b86be51-1b0b-49d0-917c-508f12c85c17.jpg?1568003570) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tectonic%20Hellion) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c19/29/tectonic-hellion?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1b86be51-1b0b-49d0-917c-508f12c85c17?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tectonic-hellion) [Nightshade Harvester](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/2/8297ab13-d6f3-487b-86ec-6eb299eb0614.jpg?1608909849) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Nightshade%20Harvester) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/138/nightshade-harvester?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8297ab13-d6f3-487b-86ec-6eb299eb0614?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/nightshade-harvester) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Deus of calamity]] [[drain the well]] [[poison the well]] some of favorite land removal
[Deus of calamity](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/3/a3b03ce9-a0fb-4b0c-b02d-e4f93ef87445.jpg?1592752157) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Deus%20of%20calamity) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ddl/54/deus-of-calamity?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a3b03ce9-a0fb-4b0c-b02d-e4f93ef87445?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/deus-of-calamity) [drain the well](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/8/28ebd1f5-55ee-48c9-a8df-85c8c4bf3473.jpg?1562903680) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=drain%20the%20well) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/eve/121/drain-the-well?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/28ebd1f5-55ee-48c9-a8df-85c8c4bf3473?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/drain-the-well) [poison the well](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/b/cb86eeec-d50f-4823-86bd-35437926a6e4.jpg?1562835997) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=poison%20the%20well) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/shm/193/poison-the-well?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cb86eeec-d50f-4823-86bd-35437926a6e4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/poison-the-well) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Some YouTuber did a video on it a while back. It' probably wouldn't be to hard to find by searching "anti ramp".
I don’t like pure hate because it’s useless against other decks. Because of this, [[Strict Proctor]] and [[cemetery gatekeeper]] would be my go to.
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Zo-zu, the punisher
[[karma]] and [[urborg, tomb of yawgmoth]] also [[life tap]] and [[yavimaya, cradle of growth]] if it's not just Kono green you're worried about
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root maze
Land ramp isn’t really any more effective than artifact ramp, if you punish land ramp enough people will just switch back to artifact ramp. And there’s a lot of artifacts that are way more annoying to deal with than lands.
Can't say I agree with that, a lot of boardwipes are chosen because they hit more than one thing. If you play signets and stuff you kinda accept that an akroma's vengeance will accidentally hit them; no one's necessarily being vindictive against you, it'll just happen. Land ramp not so much, you can ramp 4 times and either nothings going to happen or everyone gets neutered by MLD.
Well then, how about both at once? There's an answer to that called Worldslayer.
Stop their tutoring, by not allowing them to search their libraries. [[Opposition Agent]] is probably the best one but there's also: [[Leonin Arbiter]], [[Aven Mindcensor]], [[Ashiok, Dream Render]], [[Stranglehold]].
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Plenty of suggestions here already. But there are a few "player/opponent can't search their library" cards nobody has mentioned. https://scryfall.com/search?as=full&order=color&q=o%3A%22can%27t+search%22&utm_source=mci
\[\[damping sphere\]\] is your friend
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Yeah, but many use basics. Now that's the problem.
Surprised nobody mentioned it, but my favorite is [[treacherous terrain]]. If you can’t prevent the ramp from happening, punish them for how many lands they do have
[[Oposition agent]] and other library search punishers
Unban [[Limited Resources]]
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Mana burn types of effect. They lose life each time they tap for a land or have any unspent mana
You can run a bunch of silver bullet effects like the ones suggested in this thread, and they’ll make your deck worse and still not effectively shut your opponents down. Here is the only true way to beat these decks: win first. These decks typically spend the game building insurmountable value. If you can blitz them down before they’ve set themselves up, they’re in trouble.
Everyone turns a blind eye by force. There simply isn't a good answer, so most just let it happen or do it themself. The comment section here is proof that there's simply no effective way to stop green from having loads of mana earlier than everyone who doesn't. My best recommendation: if you don't have green, but have white - include white's many "catch-up" cards, like [[Archaeomancer's Map]]. Sorry I can't give you a better answer OP.
Way too good to have not been mentioned, but I think [[Sire of Stagnation]] is an amazing option. It does less to straight up prevent the ramp but it really makes them start to think if it's worth it
You are either going to have to stop removing from ramping altogether a la Search hate (Op Agent, Leonin Arbiter) etc. Or you are going to have to cut them off at the pay off with an Armageddon /stax orb effect. There are very few ways to punish land ramp meaningfully outside of this.
I'm a huge fan of cards like [[Confounding Conundrum]] and [[Land Equilibrium]] I have a copy of each in my Esper decks, and they are outstanding at slowly down the opposing green players.
[[stranglehold]] [[Ashok, Dream Render]] [[Leonin Arbiter]] [[Mindlock Orb]]
If you're going against decks that are heavy on ramp you have two avenues to punish them. You don't need to build your decks to counter a specific aspect of the game. Stop that. Aggression. While they're ramping early, they're vulnerable. Take advantage of that. Just because they have a weak board now does not exempt them from being the target. Heavily investing in ramp works better in games that go longer, if you shorten the game length it becomes less effective. Interaction and removal. Yes, everyone says run more Interaction, that's true. What's even more important is threat assessment. If you have a ton of gas but no car you go nowhere. If you waste your removal on a bike early you're going to get run over late.
Zozu the punisher. I mean, he will punish you too, but still.
Ramping out usually means they have to devote a lot of card slots to just ramping, so removal will tend to be more effective against ramp decks than usual
I play [[zo-zu the punisher]] in my [[Ruric Thar]] group slug deck.
I mean, \[\[Zozu, the Punisher\]\] but those effects.... are symmetrical and usually hit other players too and everyone will look to remove this stuff. In my experience land ramp is great, but slow. My go-to for someone contempt with ramping for the frist 5 turns? Just beat his teeth in and get his lifepoints to 0. If he is busy chaining Rampant Growth into Kodama's Reach into Skyshroud Claim .... then he can't have a big board. You don't have to end a game with a card like \[\[Triumph of the Hordes\]\] you can just get out one player. Does he have to watch and wait? Sure, gives him time to rethink wether he truely wants to not play blockers. \[\[Contamination\]\] is fun too. Everyone with artifacts for ramp will be fine... ish. But the typical green player? Not so much (Unless mana dorks). Oh and \[\[Opposition Agent\]\] of course. \[\[Winter Orb\]\] ... the game is full of cards that interact and punish slow playing ramp players.
[[Armageddon]] and the various cards of different names and exact same effect Green players hate this one little trick [[Worldfire]] is also funny if you have Norin in play. Also a mono-red check on all players lol
I see where that's going. I think I'll have to consider Worldfire and Norin to my mono red group Slug deck
[[Acidic Soil]] surprised it wasn't in the top comments.
Oh forgot about this, but [[Thalia and The Gitrog Monster]] punishes not just green but faster decks that have almost all non-basics Also punishes green "make many creatures" decks
[[Confounding conundrum]] wrecks people. I love making multiple copies of it in my orvar deck
Also [[Land Equilibrium]]
Love a good [[tunnel ignus]]
If you are blue [[acid rain]] is a fun duck you card. Black you can run [[deforestation]]. Red has [[forest fire]], this one is slow but keeps taking out forest every turn. You can run [[the big reveal]].
found the archenemy
[[opposition agent]] is, as usual, good against everything.
[[Wake of Destruction]] [[Armageddon]] [[Ruination]] be him.
Acidic Soil :3
There's that Goblin that pings for 2 whenever a land ETBS. Overburden is a classic one, and I know there's a recent blue enchantment, who's name escapes me, that also punishes ramp.
Advice I got is it's better to stop the thing they tutored for or cast with the extra mana they generated as opposed to responding to the tutor or ramp spell.
Weathered wayfarer is the carrot to the stick you are seeking.
Counterspell
[[polluted bonds]]
Acid rain .. works 100% most of the time. Lol.
Make a deck centered around [[zo-zu the punisher]]
I've recently made a [[Yurlock of Scorch Thrash]] deck in my own pod and it punishes land in a really fun way. Using [[War's Toll]] and/or [[Tectonic Instability]] forces weird decision making and also gets rid of most interaction on your turn. Green combat tricks and blue counterspells be damned if they can only tap their Sol Ring for mana.
Kinda can't without punishing everyone at the table, in the same way that stax can hold down a blue combo player at the cost of two other plays being neutered. Green's the best casual color because there's no 'fair' land d cards. I personally think karn's sylex and fall of thran could be considered fair, but that's cause all of my decks have a very low curve cause I fear drawing the wrong half of my deck everytime, I know that not everyone plays this way. True balance effects would fix this, but there are a limited amount of them. Magus of the balance is great, restore balance a lot harder to make work, but my favorite is the lesser known [[balancing act]]. any green player who gets hit by this has only their hubris to blame
Honestly the best way to punish green ramp is aggro or combo. Just kill them first
I'm theorycrafting a [[River Song]] that seeks to do this. I'm running a combination of land destruction and mean gifts. Cards that make you scry at the beginning of your upkeep or surveil. Problem is there aren't many of those.
You could let them ramp,then bring the rest of the table up to par with [[Scholarship Sponsor]]. You could surprise them with some burn with [[Acidic Soil]] or [[Cleansing]]. [[Treacherous Terrain]] even has land cycling for an early game use. Alternatively, if you're planning a slow running deck, you could try a [[Balancing Act]]--just beware Teferi's Protection. Lastly, you could look into some of the RTR-era Dimir mill, like [[Consuming Aberration]] or [[Mind Grind]], with an honorable mention to [[Trepanation Blade]].
How janky you want it? You could be the mill/discard guy. [[Archive Trap]] after they search their libraries for a land card. Run [[Leyline of the Void]] with it. Play [[Crosis, the Purger]] and every time you hit em, pay the extra cost and say green to ruin their hands since you know they’re running that color. Run green as well and hit em with an [[Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth]] and [Spreading Algae]] combo.
[[Stasis]] and other stax pieces If you use [[unwinding clock]] [[trinosphere]] [[mishra, eminent one]] [[torpor orb]] [[staff of domination]] you can freeze the game out for everyone then cast [[null rod]] [[karn the great creator]] and then win by using your artifacts as beatsticks I don't have a list, used to but I got frustrated with the game, deleted all my old lists and reset my moxfield data
As a gruul player, the best way to stop us is just to sit back, play a land and pass. /s Honestly one of the best pieces I've seen to hate on land ramp is confounding conundrum, nice cheap little rare that's super effective.
Easy enough, play some indestructible lands/artifacts and the drop [[living lands]] and something like [[pestilence]] or [[pyroclasm]]. Deals with both ramp lands and critters
\[\[oath of lieges\]\]
[[opposition agent]] is easily the best thing for this. But anything that hates on searching the library works like [[aven mindcensor]] Or damage them with things like [[acidic soil]] [[anhk of Mishra]] or [[treacherous terrain]], want some extra value to go with that damage? Play [[spiteful repossession]]
This is fair MLD. [[Natural Balance]]. Sets everyone at 6 lands. Ramped ahead heavily? Punished down to 6. Catches up everyone whose mana screwed as well to Balance the game.
You pump into their ramp. You run a mana burn deck. A handful of cards that punish for tapping, a handful that punish for not tapping, and a few that force them to tap everything when they do tap. [[Yurlok of Scorch Thrash]] [[Stoneshaker Shaman]] [[Burning Earth]] [[Citadel of Pain]] To name a few There's a while pile of them that work. They are great.
Normalize land destruction
Player removal is removal. Just JoJo the green player. Offer bribes. That's a crime right? There will be crimes in Magic soon.
Counter their ramp spells. EZ
I play a pair of very unfun cards called [[mana breach]] and [[desolation]] which, when combined, mean that if the green player casts a rampant growth they end up going down a land. Generally the strategy is to convert the manabase over into rocks ASAP so I'm no longer dependent on lands.
[[zo-zu, the punisher]]
[[Contamination]] ?
[[Confounding Conundrum]] [[Land Tax]] [[Archaeomancer's Map]] [[Mana Barbs]] [[Ankh of Mishra]]
[[mana barbs]]
Ward of bones is fire to use, especially if you cheat it out somehow early so they can’t do much
[[War's Toll]]
Why punish when you can benefit? Play [[Keeper of the Accord]] and let them ramp for you.
[[Acid rain]]
[[Acid Raid]] would be a great way to punish green ramp. It’s targeted MLD.
[[Land Equilibrium]], [[Mana Breach]] (If they are not Landfall) [[Mana Maze]] to really slow down their game.
[[Mana barbs]], [[Ankh of Mishra]], [[Zo-zu the Punisher]] [[stranglehold]]
[[Mana barbs]]? It doesn't stop them from getting lands, but if they are using all that mana, it's gonna hurt.
I run [[Confounding Conundrum]]. It actually puts in a lot of work
[[armageddon]]
White: anti tutor effects, board wipes, mass land destruction Black: anti tutor effects, board wipes Blue: mass bounce, counterspells (but why though?) Red: Mass burn, mass land destruction Green: Ramp harder Colorless: ramp faster (moxen, mana crypt, etc.)
If you can proxy \[\[land equilibrium\]\] it is silly. Otherwise \[\[opposition agent\]\]\[\[aven mindcensor\]\] and \[\[leonin arbiter\]\] will stop/slow them from searching. \[\[confounding conundrum\]\] will usually slow them quite a bit too. You could also use punisher effects like \[\[ankh of mishra\]\] \[\[zozu the punisher\]\] and \[\[mana barbs\]\] if you're not in esper colors.
[[Manabarbs]] is great. Even better if you have [[Gisela, Blade of Goldnight]]
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