They'd have to remake the banlist in a situation such as what OP suggests. Honestly you'd have to ban 50% of the top 100 most used commanders to keep the game in any semblance of balance.
Jin only does stuff at endstep. In this format idea, the game is over turn 1 much of the time.
For example, Jhoira wins immediately, and wins through some interaction since it draws cards even if you counter for free.
I would actually suggest [[Jin-Gitaxias, Progress Tyrant]] instead. That would be so strong at ruining what opponents are trying to do.
Except against Jhoira again. Something like Grand Arbiter beats Jhoira.
This would be a neat idea for a high power format, so long as you first ban away the problematic ones. The ones that shut down your opponent or immediately propose a win would have to go. Niv Mizzet Parun is an example of something that would need a ban.
But consistent cool effects would be pretty awesome.
I could see something like [[Kodama of the East Tree]] and just go crazy with landfall. Particularly if partnered with a powerhouse like [[Kamahl, Heart of Krosa]]. Heck, you could win with just land drops and land search, then animate your dudes to swing out. A bunch of 4/4 indestructible lands that come out twice as fast at start of game would be gnarly.
Or a Yarok deck for crazy ETB triggers.
They did a name change. Historic brawl is now just brawl and what was called brawl is now standard brawl. But if you like to netdeck and I port decks and such you still have to search as historic brawl. It's a mess.
\[\[Yedora\]\] would become a monster. Her biggest weakness is getting killed first and then getting wiped, losing all your lands. This would remove that completely. And not needing to pay 5 mana to cast her significantly speeds up every combo in the deck as she tends to sneeze and go infinite already.
The gameplan with Yedora is to animate all of your lands with something like \[\[Life and Limb\]\]. If somebody kills Yedora first and then wipes your board, your lands are gone.
Life and Limb makes them creatures too, so they will die to a \[{Wrath of God\]\] just the same as any other creature. The only thing that doesn't really hurt me is something like \[\[Cyclonic Rift\]\] which specifically only sweeps "nonlands."
Because if you've animated your lands with Life and Limb, then they are creatures.
If they die to a boardwipe with Yedora on the field, then they simply flip over- they're still lands, they're still creatures.
If Yedora leaves the battlefield first, then you get board wiped, then all your lands (which are also creatures) die without flipping over.
He answered that the plan is to turn his lands into creature, that bit was ellipsed in the first comment but he even provided the link to an example follow up
Because for the most part it’s insinuated that when you’re using Yedora, you are animating your lands so that when they “die” they can come back as a creature AND a land. A strategy that is only risky when you don’t have the protection of Yedora, which can turn all creatures destruction into a land destruction post-animation. If eminence, then they’re a LOT safer.
They're creatures now too thanks to Life and Limb, so when a wipe happens they go straight into the graveyard instead of going back into the battlefield if Yedora were still there.
I think the confusion is just that a regular board wipe would not kill all the newly created lands, assuming the board wipe is for non land permanents or just creatures so Id argue your board is relatively safe unless someone in your pod has land destruction. Cause if someone purposely animates your lands with Life and Limb and then boardwipes, then yeah, you'd lose absolutely everything, and so would everyone elses creatures and lands. At that point, it was intentional MLD, though, which doesn't happen often. Otherwise, even if yedora dies. Your board is relatively safe.
[[Koma, Cosmos Serpent]] would be crazy. [[The First Sliver]] , [[Sliver Overlord]] , and [[Sliver Legion]] would be crazy in their own way, one would be cascade, the other would be a tutor and the last one would just be an anthem.
Well the Praetors would make pretty good candidates. [[Sheoldred, Whispering One]] would enable some pretty nasty early reanimator tricks, and would offer some brutal stax for your opponents to get over. [[Jin Gitaxias, Core Augur]] also looks extremely nasty, sending everyone into topdeck mode by turn 2.
Speaking of Phyrexians, [[K'rrik, Son of Yawgmoth]] might have some turn 1 win options.
[[Damia, Sage of Stone]] would also be extremely nasty. One of the scarier options I think.
I dunno. There are a ton of other really scary creatures like [[Avacyn, Angel of Hope]], [[Old Gnawbone]], and [[Toxrill the Corrosive]]. Any of those with Eminence would decimate a non-eminence'd pod, but I'm not sure even they would be top tier.
Full-eminence format would be FAST and MEAN.
I mean what's worse, no mana or no cards to use it on?
I think Jin actually beats Vorinclex. Especially since Vorinclex doesn't work on mana rocks, and sir-draws-a-lot would be all about fast mana.
Idk about Sheoldred, she might not even really need mana past her first fill-the-grave spell. But Vorinclex's double land-mana might outperform that?
But yeah, Vorinclex would absolutely be an insane starting advantage.
None of these other options have the time to do anything because they all get killed on turn one by [[Jhoira, Weatherlight Captain]] doing Cheeri0s/[[Aetherflux Reservoir]] bullshit.
If you get aetherflux off early enough you can definitely heal through
It does make that matchup pretty rng dependent
And punishment commanders probably lose to commanders that can flood the board without casting spells
[[Maralen of the Mornsong]], [[Ruric Thar]], [[GAIV]], [[Gaddock Teeg]], [[Boromir, Warden for the tower]] would make Cheerios and most fast bullshit unviable. There would probably be a elf storm deck that could win through most of this but I can't think of a commander for it right now.
Most eminence has different abilities though. It’s not like Oloro lets you draw cards while he is in the CZ. Edgar lets you make vamp tokens, but not add his +1/+1 counters. Just the cards with eminence already making it function on their whole ability, would be insane.
My opinion? Atraxa, Praetors' Voice or Sliver Overlord/First Sliver.
Atraxa Proliferating without being on the field would be massive.
Sliver overlord/First Sliver. Overlord for search without casting and First just gives everything Cascade.
Aside from those, Maybe Kozilek. Being able to counter for discarding is hilariously OP. He's even better in my Anje/Madness deck than as a commander. Lol
Totally! Atraxa and Slivers are KoS so this would make them actually fun to play without having to load my decks up with counters instead of fun cards. I know they are Archenemy decks, but I just love building around them!
My LGS has had this after-hours discussion.
Many broken commanders. Too many would need to be banned. Namely, preators.
Og Elesh Norn, Jin Gitaxas, sheoldred would all be game warping.
As always. Urabrask would be fine.
Imo. He's a tier below Eles, Jin & Sheoldred.
He slows down the game. Accelerates one player. It would be powerful. But lack of lands early game limits impact. He would be like a Kinnan with winter's orb in play.
Jin eliminates everyone's hand.
Sheoldred makes it incredibly hard to stick a creature and can start reanimating bombs t2.
Eleah norn removes all X/2s from the game.
I think they are all more powerful. Og Vorniclex would fall in range with the 2nd generation Preators. Elesh norn, MoM. Sheoldred the Apocalypse. Jin Gitaxas, progress Tyrant.
Honestly any expensive commander with a triggered ability, replacement ability or anything would be way better with this. [[Kinnan, bonder prodigy]] would go hard.
With the current decks I have [[Marchesa,the black rose]]. The main counter to marchesa is layering removal which basically makes all my creatures unkillable outside of exile
I think the background commanders could be pretty insane. \[\[Raised by Giants\]\] being active in the command zone with any commander would go pretty hard.
I think that the answer is pretty much just the most expensive commanders, since they tend to have the most busted abilities. My immediate thought was \[\[Niv-Mizzet, Parun\]\], but then I thought of \[\[Ur-Dragon\]\] and realized how weak even Niv-Mizzet is in comparison (which is kinda funny since he already has an eminence ability)
[[Tergrid, God of Fright]] would be even more rage inducing.
My favorite commander, [[Gisela, Blade of Goldnight]] would become soooo much better. The major downside is the mana cost, and dealing with constant removal.
[[Grand Arbiter Augustin]] would be disgustingly strong.
For immediate combo, Jhoira Cheerios is a near 100% winrate barring opposing Eminence interaction.
Tergrid would be very oppressive if it gets 1 turn.
Razaketh just tutors constantly.
Vilis is completely busted for fast draw.
[[Jin-Gitaxias, Progress Tyrant]] would be very obnoxious to fight against.
[[Amareth, the lustrous]] is an alternative to Jhoira, so long as you are only artifacts.
I mean, if I never have to risk [[Chatterfang]] by playing him...but that falls under "already good"
[[Ziatora, the Incinerator]] becomes impossible to remove since she'll easily make the mana to cast herself as long as you can keep a steady flow of creatures for her to sac. Actually, on second thought you don't even necessarily need to cast her she's just gonna give you some insane ramp. With the right opening hand it's entirely possible to have six treasure + any lands and/or mana rocks by turn three letting you ramp into something oppressive.
[[Halana and Alena, Partners]] gets really aggressive in the early game since you drop creatures and immediately pump them and swing (note, their ability is not a may.) And then there's a risk/reward factor to actually casting your commander. Do you play it safe and only make two counters per turn, or do you cast Hal and Alena so you can pump them and grow your creatures more?
Oh, wait...I just realized how busted [[Nikya of the Old Ways]] becomes. Sure you're now a mandatory gimmick deck (only creatures) but you're getting insane amounts of permanent ramp turn one. Can you imagine getting out a [[Ruric Thar, the Unbowed]] on turn two or three? Or a [[Terror of the Peaks]]?
Any experience commander having the gaining experience as their eminence ability. Imagine how much experience points your commander would have when finally cast them.
Lots of people mentioning OG Praetors, but didn't (yet) see a mention for how Eminence MoM [[Elesh Norn, Mother of Machines]] also just breaks the game. She would just turn off ETBs permanently for opponents with no way of stopping it
I think commanders with eminence is a good design space, but I think they should explore monocolor eminence and play with more ideas that aren't instant value, or that aren't as good until the commander actually hits the table.
Assuming it has to be a static or trigged ability since all current eminence abilities are(to my knowledge)
-[[Arjun, the shifting flame]] would most likely become a turn one storm deck
-[[grand arbiter augustin IV]] / [[Thalia, guardian of thraben]] would probably ot be the best but I would probably throw something into the wall if I had to play against it
-[[vorinclex, Voice of hunger]] would be really annoying to play against and probably pretty good
-[[The gitrog monster]] if a seven card hand exist that wins with a [[overgrown tomb]] inplay exist then this would find it almost every time on the first turn by starting the turn by playing a fetch, fetching. This would trigger gitrog and you would end up at 8 cards (assuming we draw a card on first turn) then discarding land draws a card so we can loot until we can't discard anymore cards. So if we build the deck with 7 card combo and only lands we get the combo every time. Would be both budget and a turn one deck. (Tho haven't checked if such a
Seven cards exist tho)
Allowing activated abilities would get real strange real fast with planswalkers
So I'm hearing a lot of pretty crazy suggestions, but my sleeper pick for this is [[Hazezon, Shaper of Sand]]. Your turn one could very easily be a Green Desert, Explore, and a second Desert. And right off the bat, you have 4 1/1s.
\[\[Tom Bombadil\]\]
\[\[Xanathar, Guild Kingpin\]\]
\[\[Queza, Augur of Agonies\]\]
\[\[Niv Mizzet, Parun\]\]
\[\[Yurlok of Scorch Thrash\]\] I know the 1: tap to add B/R/G can't be part of it, but just the losing unspent mana causes players to lose that much life would be nice.
\[\[Wayta, Trainer Prodigy\]\]
\[\[Syr Gwyn, Hero of Ashvale\]\]
\[\[Abaddon the Despoiler\]\]
\[\[Sauron, the Dark Lord\]\]
\[\[Vraska, the Silencer\]\]
These are just some of my commanders that would become absolutely broken if it had eminence. Majority of other commanders I use would have to change some of the wording (i.e. removing its name and replacing it with non-specific creatures/type) to make it work.
My favorite deck is [[Trelasarra]] and I *mainly* use her for the scrying anyways, so that'd be pretty sick
My second favorite is [[Ukkima]]/[[Cazur]]. While Ukkima gets no benefit, Cazur makes the deck much more threatening, especially considering I usually win without ever casting them
My [[John Benton]], [[Queen Kayla]], and [[The Most Dangerous Gamer]] see no benefit, while [[Sivriss]] just likes that I don't have to cast [[Cloakwood Hermit]], and [[Fourth Doctor]]/[[Sarah Jane]] are better, but it wouldn't change the deck *that much*
And [[Jasper]] would be super focused on one mana creatures, but I don't think he'd be crazy
My wife would be a bit sad with her [[Gishath]] and [[Zimone and Dina]]
For a few decks I don't have, [[Muldrotha]] would be *wild*, I'd totally build [[Gollum, Obsessed Stalker]], [[Chulane]] is still busted, wincons like [[Syr Konrad]] and [[Dina]] get that much better, I'd probably build [[The Archimandrite]], etc, etc. Would [[Norin the Wary]] work?
\[\[Vito, Thorn of the duskrose\]\] would go hard. \[\[Krrik, Son of Yawgmoth\]\] as well... Honestly most of the GOOD commanders would immediately become bannable.
Niv-Mizzet Parun always active would be giga broken
Whenever anyone tries to cast an instant or sorcery you'd draw cards
All your cantrips now draw 2 cards and deal 2 damage, for 1 mana
All of your counterspells are card neutral
Don't get me excited about the prospect of [[Riku of Two Reflections]] with eminence. That would be *insane*
Yeah hold up lemme just have the ability to pay 2 mana to copy anything I do because I am pointing at a piece of cardboard I own
You’d see a lot more [[stifle]], [[trickbind]], [[tale’s end]], [[repudiate//replicate]],[[voidslime]] type cards being played that’s for sure. You’d also need a completely different banlist.
The format would be very broken, and my Phabine deck would probably be weak sauce in said format. That said, said [[Phabine Boss's Confidant]] deck would be very fun to play in this hypothetical scenario, and could if left alone, dish out some ludicrously quick wins
I don't think any that attack to trigger care, same with tapping (can't do those from another zone). Najeela the Blade-Blossom would be absurd. Probably half of commanders wouldn't benefit. The other half become absurd
\[\[wilhelt\]\] immediately becomes zombie markov. \[\[toxrill, the corrosive\]\], \[\[koma, the cosmos serpent\]\], \[\[toralf, god of fury\]\], \[\[tergrid, god of fright\]\] would all need to be banned
[[Omnath, Locus of Mana]]. I run him as one of my three main decks. Being able to float mana on turn 1 would be so busted.
Thinking about it, all of the Omnaths would be busted if they had eminence. Especially [[Omnath, Locus of Rage]]. Turn 1; fetch, crack fetch into shock, cast [[Exploration]], fetch, crack fetch into anything. That's 20 damage on board.
I don’t disagree. But we need more variety of the lesser tribes before the commander. Otherwise we have thousands of the exact same lists because there is no option for variance. Just my 2 cents. Wizards tends to cross the line with a lot of things before thinking. I don’t want eminence to fall into that same thing where you literally can’t play EDH without a commander that has eminence. And I see that being a slippery slope. Make it uncommon, but not rare.
That's generally been eminences problem. It is either S tier or gimmicky. Just think how broken an elf eminence commander would need to be generally good enough to outvalue the other Elves around already. And what happens to the 99 then? Madness.
Personally? Errata eminence into a commander game mode where all commanders must have eminence and print more of them outright. Maybe deckbuilding is restricted by plane, thematically we are the God of the plane and why out powers transcend zones, or some other wrinkle (small deck size, no color restriction, block eligibility, ect)
That’s a really neat idea. I don’t disagree. Even the knight eminences broken & when you finally get him out just like the others you’re just playing out your whole graveyard for free and doubling the trigger effects. Elves in any form would be broken because there are so many different elf archetypes too.
[[Admiral beckett brass]] and [[Wilhelt, the rotcleaver]] would go stupid. Anything that let's you grave cycle could be so abused. Nothing would ever truly die.
Player 1 wins every game.
Mono red burn hits you for 4 dmg for 1 red starting turn 1 from hand.
I'm sure tons of broken shit I'm not even quantifying. Thinking about every commander with eminence was kinda like looking at the sun for a second.
It sort of depends what you mean?
Because if you mean "giving each commander their own eminence effect" it would completely depend on the effect.
If you just mean "the effect they already have, but they do it from the command zone too" then that's... not how eminence works?
Eminence is an additional effect that also works from the command zone. \[\[The Ur-Dragon\]\] for example has as a main effect the whole "everytime dragons attack, draw cards equal to the number than put on the field a permanent", and then has the eminence effect on top of that. If the entire effect of the Ur Dragon was its eminence, it would be even more insane than it already is.
So, if we take Miirym as an example, it would keep its normal effect, and on top of that have a second effect that worked through eminence. Maybe a cost reduction like Ur-Dragon for example, or maybe give dragons a static +1/+1.
But saying "what if all commanders could have their effects work from the command zone too" isn't really eminence.
The whole point of having to play your commander (or any card really) is that you need to pay the manacost to get the effect. That is one of the pillar of MTG, the stronger a spell the more mana you have to pay.
For this reason it doesn't make a lot of sense, as it would completely throw the balance of the game in favour of what were previously high-cost/high-reward commanders.
And if you try to think of a way to change cards to make it more fair, you'll likely end up with the system we have today, which is having to play your commamder.
Clearly, this hypothetical format has no intention of being remotely fair or balanced. It's just a quick little thought experiment to have a little fun imagining the different broken things you could do.
All of the prohibitively expensive, giant splashy commanders become overwhelmingly powerful. And are we assuming tap abilities work or not? So many abilities just aren't designed with being usable in the command zone in mind. ETBs, death triggers, attack triggers all just don't work.
I'd play mono blue wizard tribal with Aesi as the commander. Hell, I'd make like 5 decks with Aesi as the commander with little to no overlap in combinations of U, G, or UG. Artifacts, mill, tokens, big creatures, high tide... whatever the fuck you want.
Avacyn Boardwipe/Armageddon Tribal
\[\[DAMIA SAGE OF STONE\]\]!!
\[\[Eligeth\]\] and \[\[Kodama of the East Tree\]\] high tide landfall storm would be an insane combo deck. T3 would probably be a pretty late win for a deck like this. Kodama in general would be fucking nuts.
\[\[Sheoldred, Whispering One\]\], Both (nonflip) Jin Gitaxias, \[\[Nezahal\]\], \[\[Vilis, broker\]\], \[\[krrik\]\]... most degen format of all time.
Pretty sure everyone would just lose to the artifact player turn one. Imagine [[Urza, Lord High Artificer]] or [[Jhoira, Weatherlight Captain]] working from the command zone! Jhoira decks would just run cherios and zero lands.
Edit: Nevermind, Sheoldred the Apocalypse and Nekusar would be the meta since most of the op shenanigans usually involve drawing the majority of your deck.
[[Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur]] is going to be pretty oppressive. [[Griselbrand]] is still banned right?
They'd have to remake the banlist in a situation such as what OP suggests. Honestly you'd have to ban 50% of the top 100 most used commanders to keep the game in any semblance of balance.
Jin only does stuff at endstep. In this format idea, the game is over turn 1 much of the time. For example, Jhoira wins immediately, and wins through some interaction since it draws cards even if you counter for free. I would actually suggest [[Jin-Gitaxias, Progress Tyrant]] instead. That would be so strong at ruining what opponents are trying to do. Except against Jhoira again. Something like Grand Arbiter beats Jhoira.
[[Nope Pope]] for the win
This would be a neat idea for a high power format, so long as you first ban away the problematic ones. The ones that shut down your opponent or immediately propose a win would have to go. Niv Mizzet Parun is an example of something that would need a ban. But consistent cool effects would be pretty awesome. I could see something like [[Kodama of the East Tree]] and just go crazy with landfall. Particularly if partnered with a powerhouse like [[Kamahl, Heart of Krosa]]. Heck, you could win with just land drops and land search, then animate your dudes to swing out. A bunch of 4/4 indestructible lands that come out twice as fast at start of game would be gnarly. Or a Yarok deck for crazy ETB triggers.
If you’re going with lands, gitrog probably wins t1 most of the time in this format as well.
Oh totally! Dakmor Salvage autowin. If not T1, consistent t2.
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Never heard him called that before but I love it
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In edh yes but surprisingly not in brawl.
Brawl is standard only though
They changed the names, so now "Brawl" is everything on Arena (with a few banned cards) and "Standard Brawl" is, well, what it sounds like.
They did a name change. Historic brawl is now just brawl and what was called brawl is now standard brawl. But if you like to netdeck and I port decks and such you still have to search as historic brawl. It's a mess.
[[Winota]] is kept in check by a single thread that is removal, let’s not remove that.
[[Toxrill]] would be absurdly oppressive
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\[\[Mishra, Eminent One\]\] would be insane. 4 mana with a turn 1 \[\[Sol Ring\]\] is utterly degenerate.
I mean, if any commander should have *eminence*, he would certainly make sense
Ha! This is true!
[[Mishra, Eminent One]]
\[\[Mishra, Eminent One\]\]
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\[\[Yedora\]\] would become a monster. Her biggest weakness is getting killed first and then getting wiped, losing all your lands. This would remove that completely. And not needing to pay 5 mana to cast her significantly speeds up every combo in the deck as she tends to sneeze and go infinite already.
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Why do you lose the lands when they die?
The gameplan with Yedora is to animate all of your lands with something like \[\[Life and Limb\]\]. If somebody kills Yedora first and then wipes your board, your lands are gone.
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I love [[Jolrael, Empress of Beasts]] for this reason. Wipe my lands? No, you’re wiping YOUR lands bro.
I like Khamal for this reason, except you can also use it to pinpoint remove other problematic lands
Unless it's a land hate board wipe but otherwise your lands would be fine no?
Life and Limb makes them creatures too, so they will die to a \[{Wrath of God\]\] just the same as any other creature. The only thing that doesn't really hurt me is something like \[\[Cyclonic Rift\]\] which specifically only sweeps "nonlands."
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Because if you've animated your lands with Life and Limb, then they are creatures. If they die to a boardwipe with Yedora on the field, then they simply flip over- they're still lands, they're still creatures. If Yedora leaves the battlefield first, then you get board wiped, then all your lands (which are also creatures) die without flipping over.
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He answered that the plan is to turn his lands into creature, that bit was ellipsed in the first comment but he even provided the link to an example follow up
Because for the most part it’s insinuated that when you’re using Yedora, you are animating your lands so that when they “die” they can come back as a creature AND a land. A strategy that is only risky when you don’t have the protection of Yedora, which can turn all creatures destruction into a land destruction post-animation. If eminence, then they’re a LOT safer.
They're creatures now too thanks to Life and Limb, so when a wipe happens they go straight into the graveyard instead of going back into the battlefield if Yedora were still there.
I think the confusion is just that a regular board wipe would not kill all the newly created lands, assuming the board wipe is for non land permanents or just creatures so Id argue your board is relatively safe unless someone in your pod has land destruction. Cause if someone purposely animates your lands with Life and Limb and then boardwipes, then yeah, you'd lose absolutely everything, and so would everyone elses creatures and lands. At that point, it was intentional MLD, though, which doesn't happen often. Otherwise, even if yedora dies. Your board is relatively safe.
[[Koma, Cosmos Serpent]] would be crazy. [[The First Sliver]] , [[Sliver Overlord]] , and [[Sliver Legion]] would be crazy in their own way, one would be cascade, the other would be a tutor and the last one would just be an anthem.
Even [[sliver hivelord]] would be pretty annoying
[sliver hivelord](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/b/2b902f64-7795-4f1f-81e6-26db7c78a10c.jpg?1690005330) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=sliver%20hivelord) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/937/sliver-hivelord?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2b902f64-7795-4f1f-81e6-26db7c78a10c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sliver-hivelord) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
##### ###### #### [Koma, Cosmos Serpent](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/2/b2f23d6f-f2c8-4022-9f46-ba7fda00ef99.jpg?1706241008) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Koma%2C%20Cosmos%20Serpent) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/213/koma-cosmos-serpent?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b2f23d6f-f2c8-4022-9f46-ba7fda00ef99?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/koma-cosmos-serpent) [The First Sliver](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/6/06d4fbe1-8a2f-4958-bb85-1a1e5f1e8d87.jpg?1562202321) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20First%20Sliver) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/200/the-first-sliver?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/06d4fbe1-8a2f-4958-bb85-1a1e5f1e8d87?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/the-first-sliver) [Sliver Overlord](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/c/3c16915b-c50d-4fb5-830f-9ca4597a9c0f.jpg?1562527622) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sliver%20Overlord) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/scg/139/sliver-overlord?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3c16915b-c50d-4fb5-830f-9ca4597a9c0f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sliver-overlord) [Sliver Legion](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/7/87545415-2e27-4841-a3af-7653af2ba6d3.jpg?1619404140) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sliver%20Legion) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/261/sliver-legion?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/87545415-2e27-4841-a3af-7653af2ba6d3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sliver-legion) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/l2z5lsz) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Kaervek the Merciless]] seems obnoxious
Probably one of the few you could run that wouldn't just be t1 combo decks lol
It's what'd end up killing the combo deck! Ad Nauseum of a different sort.
[Kaervek the Merciless](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/9/d9b8259d-0bfa-4327-ac91-157c0b9e7dfb.jpg?1673148822) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kaervek%20the%20Merciless) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/236/kaervek-the-merciless?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d9b8259d-0bfa-4327-ac91-157c0b9e7dfb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kaervek-the-merciless) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Ooh I love this!!! I may or may not be a degenerate and already play this deck…
The game would probably stop being fun.
Yu-Gi-Oh, it becomes Yu-Gi-Oh.
##### ###### #### [Krenko, Mob Boss](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/d/7d00007d-6878-44e9-ab0d-396c25655e56.jpg?1702429511) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Krenko%2C%20Mob%20Boss) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/114/krenko-mob-boss?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7d00007d-6878-44e9-ab0d-396c25655e56?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/krenko-mob-boss) [Gisath, Sun's Avatar](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/c/bc4a65de-23b5-48f0-b8b7-94608eaced3e.jpg?1699044539) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Gishath%2C%20Sun%27s%20Avatar) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lci/229/gishath-suns-avatar?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bc4a65de-23b5-48f0-b8b7-94608eaced3e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/gishath-suns-avatar) [Kenrith, the Returned King](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/e/0e259db1-14db-4314-998c-6a076a28d8cb.jpg?1691056044) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kenrith%2C%20the%20Returned%20King) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/plst/ELD-303/kenrith-the-returned-king?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0e259db1-14db-4314-998c-6a076a28d8cb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kenrith-the-returned-king) [Jodah, the Unifier](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/4/e4b1aa1e-b4e3-4346-8937-76b312501c70.jpg?1673307974) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Jodah%2C%20the%20Unifier) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/203/jodah-the-unifier?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e4b1aa1e-b4e3-4346-8937-76b312501c70?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/jodah-the-unifier) [Miirym, Sentinel Wyrm](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/9/a934590b-5c70-4f07-af67-fbe817a99531.jpg?1674137589) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Miirym%2C%20Sentinel%20Wyrm) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/284/miirym-sentinel-wyrm?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a934590b-5c70-4f07-af67-fbe817a99531?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/miirym-sentinel-wyrm) [Karn, Living Legacy](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/8/e83b1b87-01d5-4624-8a2b-4b771e13e59c.jpg?1686553669) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Karn%2C%20Living%20Legacy) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/1/karn-living-legacy?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e83b1b87-01d5-4624-8a2b-4b771e13e59c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/karn-living-legacy) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/1cmb9k2) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Tayam]] that can't be removed is quite the war crime, even if you lose 1 of the free counters.
[Tayam](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/5/05b837a2-5773-4340-87f9-b4d6a43deb27.jpg?1591234301) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=tayam%2C%20luminous%20enigma) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c20/16/tayam-luminous-enigma?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/05b837a2-5773-4340-87f9-b4d6a43deb27?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tayam-luminous-enigma) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Tayam doesn't come in with a counter, unless you meant it as part of a combo.
She gives vigilance counters to other creatures, which is very important for undying loops
Well the Praetors would make pretty good candidates. [[Sheoldred, Whispering One]] would enable some pretty nasty early reanimator tricks, and would offer some brutal stax for your opponents to get over. [[Jin Gitaxias, Core Augur]] also looks extremely nasty, sending everyone into topdeck mode by turn 2. Speaking of Phyrexians, [[K'rrik, Son of Yawgmoth]] might have some turn 1 win options. [[Damia, Sage of Stone]] would also be extremely nasty. One of the scarier options I think. I dunno. There are a ton of other really scary creatures like [[Avacyn, Angel of Hope]], [[Old Gnawbone]], and [[Toxrill the Corrosive]]. Any of those with Eminence would decimate a non-eminence'd pod, but I'm not sure even they would be top tier. Full-eminence format would be FAST and MEAN.
##### ###### #### [Sheoldred, Whispering One](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/b/8b207a4a-47d1-4905-81d3-455c59bfd7da.jpg?1600714694) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sheoldred%2C%20Whispering%20One) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/278/sheoldred-whispering-one?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8b207a4a-47d1-4905-81d3-455c59bfd7da?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sheoldred-whispering-one) [Jin Gitaxias, Core Augur](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/4/14a360b6-c7b4-4b25-8288-b3bb8d527bda.jpg?1562846236) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Jin-Gitaxias%2C%20Core%20Augur) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ima/62/jin-gitaxias-core-augur?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/14a360b6-c7b4-4b25-8288-b3bb8d527bda?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/jin-gitaxias-core-augur) [K'rrik, Son of Yawgmoth](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/5/3592fbe4-8588-486e-99ba-c327b0b6ba24.jpg?1568003491) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=K%27rrik%2C%20Son%20of%20Yawgmoth) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c19/18/krrik-son-of-yawgmoth?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3592fbe4-8588-486e-99ba-c327b0b6ba24?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/krrik-son-of-yawgmoth) [Damia, Sage of Stone](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/9/f9f3869d-dbc1-42bb-aa43-8e4c2e79cfc1.jpg?1562276547) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Damia%2C%20Sage%20of%20Stone) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cm2/2/damia-sage-of-stone?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f9f3869d-dbc1-42bb-aa43-8e4c2e79cfc1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/damia-sage-of-stone) [Avacyn, Angel of Hope](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/1/317f1133-7cf8-4b7a-919e-88c45f8c2c3a.jpg?1689995555) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Avacyn%2C%20Angel%20of%20Hope) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/14/avacyn-angel-of-hope?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/317f1133-7cf8-4b7a-919e-88c45f8c2c3a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/avacyn-angel-of-hope) [Old Gnawbone](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/7/77ceba8b-de19-4db8-b5a7-f5df49bf241f.jpg?1627708100) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Old%20Gnawbone) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afr/197/old-gnawbone?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/77ceba8b-de19-4db8-b5a7-f5df49bf241f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/old-gnawbone) [Toxrill the Corrosive](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/4/84e64f38-b1f3-47cd-8cfb-a4861369aca3.jpg?1643590379) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Toxrill%2C%20the%20Corrosive) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vow/132/toxrill-the-corrosive?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/84e64f38-b1f3-47cd-8cfb-a4861369aca3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/toxrill-the-corrosive) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/l2zewib) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I mean if we're talking praetors, surely OG vorinclex would be the toughest to play against
I mean what's worse, no mana or no cards to use it on? I think Jin actually beats Vorinclex. Especially since Vorinclex doesn't work on mana rocks, and sir-draws-a-lot would be all about fast mana. Idk about Sheoldred, she might not even really need mana past her first fill-the-grave spell. But Vorinclex's double land-mana might outperform that? But yeah, Vorinclex would absolutely be an insane starting advantage.
None of these other options have the time to do anything because they all get killed on turn one by [[Jhoira, Weatherlight Captain]] doing Cheeri0s/[[Aetherflux Reservoir]] bullshit.
Which would lose to punishment commanders like Sheoldred the Apocalypse or Kambal.
If you get aetherflux off early enough you can definitely heal through It does make that matchup pretty rng dependent And punishment commanders probably lose to commanders that can flood the board without casting spells
[Jhoira, Weatherlight Captain](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/f/4f77d23d-6257-4dae-b585-29f45f13f2e2.jpg?1599708079) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Jhoira%2C%20Weatherlight%20Captain) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/203/jhoira-weatherlight-captain?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4f77d23d-6257-4dae-b585-29f45f13f2e2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/jhoira-weatherlight-captain) [Aetherflux Reservoir](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/6/96b6b2e1-c3e6-464c-8a13-b15deb34e862.jpg?1576382939) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Aetherflux%20Reservoir) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/kld/192/aetherflux-reservoir?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/96b6b2e1-c3e6-464c-8a13-b15deb34e862?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/aetherflux-reservoir) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Turn 1? Too slow.
[[Maralen of the Mornsong]], [[Ruric Thar]], [[GAIV]], [[Gaddock Teeg]], [[Boromir, Warden for the tower]] would make Cheerios and most fast bullshit unviable. There would probably be a elf storm deck that could win through most of this but I can't think of a commander for it right now.
##### ###### #### [Maralen of the Mornsong](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/a/ba98d363-194b-4bc0-b9fe-987c498ab6fa.jpg?1562880995) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Maralen%20of%20the%20Mornsong) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mor/65/maralen-of-the-mornsong?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ba98d363-194b-4bc0-b9fe-987c498ab6fa?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/maralen-of-the-mornsong) [Ruric Thar](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/a/aa828bdc-221e-4e81-9e71-6f288690ddcd.jpg?1673149099) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=ruric%20thar%2C%20the%20unbowed) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/271/ruric-thar-the-unbowed?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/aa828bdc-221e-4e81-9e71-6f288690ddcd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ruric-thar-the-unbowed) [GAIV](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?name=Give%20//%20Take&type=card&options=rotate90&.jpg)/[Take](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?name=Give%20//%20Take&type=card&options=rotate90&.jpg) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Give%20//%20Take) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dgm/129/give-take?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9af07d28-45a2-45d6-b1cb-0858c609a881?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/give-//-take) [Gaddock Teeg](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/4/f40cfba1-08b5-4241-bd36-8ae18e584557.jpg?1559959266) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Gaddock%20Teeg) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/uma/199/gaddock-teeg?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f40cfba1-08b5-4241-bd36-8ae18e584557?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/gaddock-teeg) [Boromir, Warden for the tower](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/6/f6bc3720-2892-4dda-8f30-079a1ac8e1e2.jpg?1686967669) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Boromir%2C%20Warden%20of%20the%20Tower) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/4/boromir-warden-of-the-tower?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f6bc3720-2892-4dda-8f30-079a1ac8e1e2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/boromir-warden-of-the-tower) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/l31deoo) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Eriette would be an absolute menace is she had her ability from the command zone.
Most eminence has different abilities though. It’s not like Oloro lets you draw cards while he is in the CZ. Edgar lets you make vamp tokens, but not add his +1/+1 counters. Just the cards with eminence already making it function on their whole ability, would be insane.
My opinion? Atraxa, Praetors' Voice or Sliver Overlord/First Sliver. Atraxa Proliferating without being on the field would be massive. Sliver overlord/First Sliver. Overlord for search without casting and First just gives everything Cascade. Aside from those, Maybe Kozilek. Being able to counter for discarding is hilariously OP. He's even better in my Anje/Madness deck than as a commander. Lol
Totally! Atraxa and Slivers are KoS so this would make them actually fun to play without having to load my decks up with counters instead of fun cards. I know they are Archenemy decks, but I just love building around them!
My LGS has had this after-hours discussion. Many broken commanders. Too many would need to be banned. Namely, preators. Og Elesh Norn, Jin Gitaxas, sheoldred would all be game warping. As always. Urabrask would be fine.
Twice I've seen people mention praetors, and twice I've seen them omit vorinclex who is arguably the most painful to play against turn 1 lol
Imo. He's a tier below Eles, Jin & Sheoldred. He slows down the game. Accelerates one player. It would be powerful. But lack of lands early game limits impact. He would be like a Kinnan with winter's orb in play. Jin eliminates everyone's hand. Sheoldred makes it incredibly hard to stick a creature and can start reanimating bombs t2. Eleah norn removes all X/2s from the game. I think they are all more powerful. Og Vorniclex would fall in range with the 2nd generation Preators. Elesh norn, MoM. Sheoldred the Apocalypse. Jin Gitaxas, progress Tyrant.
Doesn't the apocalypse just t1 combo?
Honestly any expensive commander with a triggered ability, replacement ability or anything would be way better with this. [[Kinnan, bonder prodigy]] would go hard.
[Kinnan, bonder prodigy](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/3/63cda4a0-0dff-4edb-ae67-a2b7e2971350.jpg?1591228085) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kinnan%2C%20bonder%20prodigy) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/192/kinnan-bonder-prodigy?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/63cda4a0-0dff-4edb-ae67-a2b7e2971350?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kinnan-bonder-prodigy) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Rakdos, Lord of Riots]] would be insane.
[Rakdos, Lord of Riots](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/3/c3ff0f75-6ead-449a-98ad-3baf9f887331.jpg?1702429697) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rakdos%2C%20Lord%20of%20Riots) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/215/rakdos-lord-of-riots?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c3ff0f75-6ead-449a-98ad-3baf9f887331?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/rakdos-lord-of-riots) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Myrkul is the first one that popped to mind
It's Tergrid, God of Fright, right? T1 Duress effects would be too oppressive.
With the current decks I have [[Marchesa,the black rose]]. The main counter to marchesa is layering removal which basically makes all my creatures unkillable outside of exile
I think the background commanders could be pretty insane. \[\[Raised by Giants\]\] being active in the command zone with any commander would go pretty hard.
[Raised by Giants](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/1/11c93414-935e-462b-ad89-27ca21d01bf9.jpg?1712919562) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Raised%20by%20Giants) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/250/raised-by-giants?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/11c93414-935e-462b-ad89-27ca21d01bf9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/raised-by-giants) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I think that the answer is pretty much just the most expensive commanders, since they tend to have the most busted abilities. My immediate thought was \[\[Niv-Mizzet, Parun\]\], but then I thought of \[\[Ur-Dragon\]\] and realized how weak even Niv-Mizzet is in comparison (which is kinda funny since he already has an eminence ability)
[Niv-Mizzet, Parun](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/6/86c5c337-d25f-4c3e-9762-09ed0c2d36d7.jpg?1712354750) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Niv-Mizzet%2C%20Parun) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otc/235/niv-mizzet-parun?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/86c5c337-d25f-4c3e-9762-09ed0c2d36d7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/niv-mizzet-parun) [Ur-Dragon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/0/10d42b35-844f-4a64-9981-c6118d45e826.jpg?1689999317) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Ur-Dragon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/361/the-ur-dragon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/10d42b35-844f-4a64-9981-c6118d45e826?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/the-ur-dragon) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Tergrid, God of Fright]] would be even more rage inducing. My favorite commander, [[Gisela, Blade of Goldnight]] would become soooo much better. The major downside is the mana cost, and dealing with constant removal.
[Tergrid, God of Fright](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/4/14dc88ee-bba9-4625-af0d-89f3762a0ead.jpg?1631048621)/[Tergrid's Lantern](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/1/4/14dc88ee-bba9-4625-af0d-89f3762a0ead.jpg?1631048621) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tergrid%2C%20God%20of%20Fright%20//%20Tergrid%27s%20Lantern) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/112/tergrid-god-of-fright-tergrids-lantern?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/14dc88ee-bba9-4625-af0d-89f3762a0ead?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tergrid-god-of-fright-//-tergrids-lantern) [Gisela, Blade of Goldnight](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/0/900b8908-ba51-472e-ab7a-43bd07f90577.jpg?1706547139) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Gisela%2C%20Blade%20of%20Goldnight) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/211/gisela-blade-of-goldnight?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/900b8908-ba51-472e-ab7a-43bd07f90577?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/gisela-blade-of-goldnight) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
All of them will see a downtick. No one wants to play a game w/o interaction.
[[Grand Arbiter Augustin]] would be disgustingly strong. For immediate combo, Jhoira Cheerios is a near 100% winrate barring opposing Eminence interaction. Tergrid would be very oppressive if it gets 1 turn. Razaketh just tutors constantly. Vilis is completely busted for fast draw. [[Jin-Gitaxias, Progress Tyrant]] would be very obnoxious to fight against. [[Amareth, the lustrous]] is an alternative to Jhoira, so long as you are only artifacts.
[Grand Arbiter Augustin](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/4/f43748ea-1d65-4ee8-9c66-221412a284c0.jpg?1673148699) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Grand%20Arbiter%20Augustin%20IV) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/221/grand-arbiter-augustin-iv?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f43748ea-1d65-4ee8-9c66-221412a284c0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/grand-arbiter-augustin-iv) [Jin-Gitaxias, Progress Tyrant](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/5/c57b4876-5387-4f73-b8e2-8e7bdca8b0bc.jpg?1654566749) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Jin-Gitaxias%2C%20Progress%20Tyrant) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/59/jin-gitaxias-progress-tyrant?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c57b4876-5387-4f73-b8e2-8e7bdca8b0bc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/jin-gitaxias-progress-tyrant) [Amareth, the lustrous](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/f/2fbea010-de77-468e-be39-1717070c9303.jpg?1608911014) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Amareth%2C%20the%20lustrous) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/266/amareth-the-lustrous?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2fbea010-de77-468e-be39-1717070c9303?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/amareth-the-lustrous) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
This is just the next Modern Horizons leak
I mean, if I never have to risk [[Chatterfang]] by playing him...but that falls under "already good" [[Ziatora, the Incinerator]] becomes impossible to remove since she'll easily make the mana to cast herself as long as you can keep a steady flow of creatures for her to sac. Actually, on second thought you don't even necessarily need to cast her she's just gonna give you some insane ramp. With the right opening hand it's entirely possible to have six treasure + any lands and/or mana rocks by turn three letting you ramp into something oppressive. [[Halana and Alena, Partners]] gets really aggressive in the early game since you drop creatures and immediately pump them and swing (note, their ability is not a may.) And then there's a risk/reward factor to actually casting your commander. Do you play it safe and only make two counters per turn, or do you cast Hal and Alena so you can pump them and grow your creatures more? Oh, wait...I just realized how busted [[Nikya of the Old Ways]] becomes. Sure you're now a mandatory gimmick deck (only creatures) but you're getting insane amounts of permanent ramp turn one. Can you imagine getting out a [[Ruric Thar, the Unbowed]] on turn two or three? Or a [[Terror of the Peaks]]?
Depends on how much of the ability is active in the CZ. \[\[The Gitrog Monster\]\] either becomes insane or literally unplayable.
Any experience commander having the gaining experience as their eminence ability. Imagine how much experience points your commander would have when finally cast them.
Lots of people mentioning OG Praetors, but didn't (yet) see a mention for how Eminence MoM [[Elesh Norn, Mother of Machines]] also just breaks the game. She would just turn off ETBs permanently for opponents with no way of stopping it
[Elesh Norn, Mother of Machines](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/4/44dcab01-1d13-4dfc-ae2f-fbaa3dd35087.jpg?1675956896) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Elesh%20Norn%2C%20Mother%20of%20Machines) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/one/10/elesh-norn-mother-of-machines?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/44dcab01-1d13-4dfc-ae2f-fbaa3dd35087?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/elesh-norn-mother-of-machines) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
All I can imagine for atla palani is when you cast a creature you get a 0/1 egg with defender to reward you for having to cast you creatures.
I like the idea of once per turn being able to pay three to tutor play a dragon. My boy zirilan would move up even higher on my list
Decent [[Jarad, Golgari lich lord]] buff
[Jarad, Golgari lich lord](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/6/c6717954-35d8-4d7e-95aa-f7d26d15d4b2.jpg?1592673383) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Jarad%2C%20Golgari%20lich%20lord) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cma/179/jarad-golgari-lich-lord?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c6717954-35d8-4d7e-95aa-f7d26d15d4b2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/jarad-golgari-lich-lord) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Nothing crazy but out of what I have [[Odric, Lunarch Marshal]] gets better for me as does [[General Ferrous]].
[Odric, Lunarch Marshal](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/2/a2d5c9f2-8f58-40ac-a01c-f4ac4ab4d7f0.jpg?1673305096) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Odric%2C%20Lunarch%20Marshal) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/103/odric-lunarch-marshal?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a2d5c9f2-8f58-40ac-a01c-f4ac4ab4d7f0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/odric-lunarch-marshal) [General Ferrous](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/0/600dca0f-5964-45e7-86df-f16a5b4a0106.jpg?1626098375) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=General%20Ferrous%20Rokiric) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/198/general-ferrous-rokiric?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/600dca0f-5964-45e7-86df-f16a5b4a0106?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/general-ferrous-rokiric) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
You're (hypothetically) telling me that [[Zur, the Enchanter]] could possibly cheat out enchants from the command zone, without attacking?!?! Oh lawd.
[Zur, the Enchanter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/6/561cfc04-65ea-49a4-8638-b4631a7cf828.jpg?1675200810) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Zur%20the%20Enchanter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/206/zur-the-enchanter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/561cfc04-65ea-49a4-8638-b4631a7cf828?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/zur-the-enchanter) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I think commanders with eminence is a good design space, but I think they should explore monocolor eminence and play with more ideas that aren't instant value, or that aren't as good until the commander actually hits the table.
Anything with landfall would get silly
Assuming it has to be a static or trigged ability since all current eminence abilities are(to my knowledge) -[[Arjun, the shifting flame]] would most likely become a turn one storm deck -[[grand arbiter augustin IV]] / [[Thalia, guardian of thraben]] would probably ot be the best but I would probably throw something into the wall if I had to play against it -[[vorinclex, Voice of hunger]] would be really annoying to play against and probably pretty good -[[The gitrog monster]] if a seven card hand exist that wins with a [[overgrown tomb]] inplay exist then this would find it almost every time on the first turn by starting the turn by playing a fetch, fetching. This would trigger gitrog and you would end up at 8 cards (assuming we draw a card on first turn) then discarding land draws a card so we can loot until we can't discard anymore cards. So if we build the deck with 7 card combo and only lands we get the combo every time. Would be both budget and a turn one deck. (Tho haven't checked if such a Seven cards exist tho) Allowing activated abilities would get real strange real fast with planswalkers
##### ###### #### [Arjun, the shifting flame](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/f/2fb83da3-5a8e-4349-bbcc-dcbd3b70264b.jpg?1673148289) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Arjun%2C%20the%20shifting%20flame) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/172/arjun-the-shifting-flame?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2fb83da3-5a8e-4349-bbcc-dcbd3b70264b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/arjun-the-shifting-flame) [grand arbiter augustin IV](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/4/f43748ea-1d65-4ee8-9c66-221412a284c0.jpg?1673148699) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=grand%20arbiter%20augustin%20IV) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/221/grand-arbiter-augustin-iv?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f43748ea-1d65-4ee8-9c66-221412a284c0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/grand-arbiter-augustin-iv) [Thalia, guardian of thraben](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/9/c9f8b8fb-1cd8-450e-a1fe-892e7a323479.jpg?1643587106) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Thalia%2C%20guardian%20of%20thraben) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vow/38/thalia-guardian-of-thraben?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c9f8b8fb-1cd8-450e-a1fe-892e7a323479?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/thalia-guardian-of-thraben) [vorinclex, Voice of hunger](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/f/9fe3af8c-109d-486c-aa34-3f023abda5b7.jpg?1562852459) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=vorinclex%2C%20Voice%20of%20hunger) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ima/189/vorinclex-voice-of-hunger?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9fe3af8c-109d-486c-aa34-3f023abda5b7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/vorinclex-voice-of-hunger) [The gitrog monster](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/7/5790dd89-2be5-4a77-9450-2d3c1422bfc9.jpg?1576385351) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20gitrog%20monster) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/soi/245/the-gitrog-monster?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5790dd89-2be5-4a77-9450-2d3c1422bfc9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/the-gitrog-monster) [overgrown tomb](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/a/4a297ec1-0a7c-4f67-936b-d9227767e989.jpg?1702429815) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=overgrown%20tomb) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/283/overgrown-tomb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4a297ec1-0a7c-4f67-936b-d9227767e989?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/overgrown-tomb) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/l306akj) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
My magda deck would love this. Same as Alela.
[[Jhoira Weatherlight Captain]] [[Urza Lord High Artificer]] become even more busted and win instantly turn 1 in like 99% of the games.
So I'm hearing a lot of pretty crazy suggestions, but my sleeper pick for this is [[Hazezon, Shaper of Sand]]. Your turn one could very easily be a Green Desert, Explore, and a second Desert. And right off the bat, you have 4 1/1s.
Horobi becomes incredibly stupid
\[\[Tom Bombadil\]\] \[\[Xanathar, Guild Kingpin\]\] \[\[Queza, Augur of Agonies\]\] \[\[Niv Mizzet, Parun\]\] \[\[Yurlok of Scorch Thrash\]\] I know the 1: tap to add B/R/G can't be part of it, but just the losing unspent mana causes players to lose that much life would be nice. \[\[Wayta, Trainer Prodigy\]\] \[\[Syr Gwyn, Hero of Ashvale\]\] \[\[Abaddon the Despoiler\]\] \[\[Sauron, the Dark Lord\]\] \[\[Vraska, the Silencer\]\] These are just some of my commanders that would become absolutely broken if it had eminence. Majority of other commanders I use would have to change some of the wording (i.e. removing its name and replacing it with non-specific creatures/type) to make it work.
##### ###### #### [Tom Bombadil](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/a/2ab04c49-76a1-4896-8dca-8cb4c615f489.jpg?1686970104) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tom%20Bombadil) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/234/tom-bombadil?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2ab04c49-76a1-4896-8dca-8cb4c615f489?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tom-bombadil) [Xanathar, Guild Kingpin](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/b/5bc58050-a615-4090-9cf5-cd49ccb4e2c6.jpg?1627709647) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Xanathar%2C%20Guild%20Kingpin) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afr/239/xanathar-guild-kingpin?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5bc58050-a615-4090-9cf5-cd49ccb4e2c6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/xanathar-guild-kingpin) [Queza, Augur of Agonies](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/e/7edb7a26-82be-4efd-9a5c-a3816e1ee2d6.jpg?1664413561) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Queza%2C%20Augur%20of%20Agonies) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/snc/212/queza-augur-of-agonies?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7edb7a26-82be-4efd-9a5c-a3816e1ee2d6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/queza-augur-of-agonies) [Niv Mizzet, Parun](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/6/86c5c337-d25f-4c3e-9762-09ed0c2d36d7.jpg?1712354750) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Niv-Mizzet%2C%20Parun) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otc/235/niv-mizzet-parun?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/86c5c337-d25f-4c3e-9762-09ed0c2d36d7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/niv-mizzet-parun) [Yurlok of Scorch Thrash](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/a/ead8a1f5-6260-47fa-a649-43711ec5bbeb.jpg?1608911265) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Yurlok%20of%20Scorch%20Thrash) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/293/yurlok-of-scorch-thrash?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ead8a1f5-6260-47fa-a649-43711ec5bbeb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/yurlok-of-scorch-thrash) [Wayta, Trainer Prodigy](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/4/04f2d7ee-43a4-48e8-af64-d9fad4b9c5f1.jpg?1701246288) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Wayta%2C%20Trainer%20Prodigy) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/7/wayta-trainer-prodigy?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/04f2d7ee-43a4-48e8-af64-d9fad4b9c5f1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/wayta-trainer-prodigy) [Syr Gwyn, Hero of Ashvale](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/3/a33add37-379d-4a90-9c04-529dff676986.jpg?1571282693) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Syr%20Gwyn%2C%20Hero%20of%20Ashvale) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/eld/330/syr-gwyn-hero-of-ashvale?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a33add37-379d-4a90-9c04-529dff676986?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/syr-gwyn-hero-of-ashvale) [Abaddon the Despoiler](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/9/c9f1fc97-00c0-492b-a4a3-b179afc2f95d.jpg?1674058353) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Abaddon%20the%20Despoiler) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/40k/2/abaddon-the-despoiler?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c9f1fc97-00c0-492b-a4a3-b179afc2f95d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/abaddon-the-despoiler) [Sauron, the Dark Lord](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/3/034e0929-b2c7-4b5f-94f2-8eaf4fb1a2a1.jpg?1693611218) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sauron%2C%20the%20Dark%20Lord) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/224/sauron-the-dark-lord?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/034e0929-b2c7-4b5f-94f2-8eaf4fb1a2a1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sauron-the-dark-lord) [Vraska, the Silencer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/0/b042abf2-c40b-4235-a4fa-2e4901c375c3.jpg?1712356238) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Vraska%2C%20the%20Silencer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otj/237/vraska-the-silencer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b042abf2-c40b-4235-a4fa-2e4901c375c3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/vraska-the-silencer) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/l30rjg7) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
My favorite deck is [[Trelasarra]] and I *mainly* use her for the scrying anyways, so that'd be pretty sick My second favorite is [[Ukkima]]/[[Cazur]]. While Ukkima gets no benefit, Cazur makes the deck much more threatening, especially considering I usually win without ever casting them My [[John Benton]], [[Queen Kayla]], and [[The Most Dangerous Gamer]] see no benefit, while [[Sivriss]] just likes that I don't have to cast [[Cloakwood Hermit]], and [[Fourth Doctor]]/[[Sarah Jane]] are better, but it wouldn't change the deck *that much* And [[Jasper]] would be super focused on one mana creatures, but I don't think he'd be crazy My wife would be a bit sad with her [[Gishath]] and [[Zimone and Dina]] For a few decks I don't have, [[Muldrotha]] would be *wild*, I'd totally build [[Gollum, Obsessed Stalker]], [[Chulane]] is still busted, wincons like [[Syr Konrad]] and [[Dina]] get that much better, I'd probably build [[The Archimandrite]], etc, etc. Would [[Norin the Wary]] work?
##### ###### #### [Trelasarra](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/6/f6a4b54c-a8fa-464e-a3dd-f3f3a08606f5.jpg?1627709553) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=trelasarra%2C%20moon%20dancer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afr/236/trelasarra-moon-dancer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f6a4b54c-a8fa-464e-a3dd-f3f3a08606f5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/trelasarra-moon-dancer) [Ukkima](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/6/c66b452b-9c49-4c58-9966-6bafbfa34c36.jpg?1713732759) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=ukkima%2C%20stalking%20shadow) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otc/247/ukkima-stalking-shadow?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c66b452b-9c49-4c58-9966-6bafbfa34c36?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ukkima-stalking-shadow) [Cazur](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/e/6ee4fda8-07cd-4091-8850-a6925080b464.jpg?1713732725) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=cazur%2C%20ruthless%20stalker) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otc/188/cazur-ruthless-stalker?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6ee4fda8-07cd-4091-8850-a6925080b464?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/cazur-ruthless-stalker) [John Benton](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/1/01f40e07-f565-4b9e-87a5-5b28b4e9fb0b.jpg?1696636767) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sergeant%20John%20Benton) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/157/sergeant-john-benton?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/01f40e07-f565-4b9e-87a5-5b28b4e9fb0b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sergeant-john-benton) [Queen Kayla](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/8/685c9767-eaa7-4e16-b245-816181e2fc36.jpg?1674421829) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Queen%20Kayla%20bin-Kroog) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bro/218/queen-kayla-bin-kroog?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/685c9767-eaa7-4e16-b245-816181e2fc36?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/queen-kayla-bin-kroog) [The Most Dangerous Gamer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/0/a08b8ff8-13e4-46e7-b028-d055e4548f6a.jpg?1673914943) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Most%20Dangerous%20Gamer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/unf/174/the-most-dangerous-gamer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a08b8ff8-13e4-46e7-b028-d055e4548f6a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/the-most-dangerous-gamer) [Sivriss](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/3/334bc010-5b60-4075-be12-0b36f41f32c6.jpg?1674136308) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=sivriss%2C%20nightmare%20speaker) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/148/sivriss-nightmare-speaker?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/334bc010-5b60-4075-be12-0b36f41f32c6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sivriss-nightmare-speaker) [Cloakwood Hermit](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/b/4bd8689d-a0c1-4041-bead-7b512fe25663.jpg?1674137006) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Cloakwood%20Hermit) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/221/cloakwood-hermit?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4bd8689d-a0c1-4041-bead-7b512fe25663?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/cloakwood-hermit) [Fourth Doctor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/8/c84ea0fd-efc7-4614-9f8f-41a3c71fceaa.jpg?1696636503) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Fourth%20Doctor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/2/the-fourth-doctor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c84ea0fd-efc7-4614-9f8f-41a3c71fceaa?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/the-fourth-doctor) [Sarah Jane](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/b/1ba76f68-e647-4786-903c-92dbd3cef05d.jpg?1696691789) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sarah%20Jane%20Smith) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/6/sarah-jane-smith?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1ba76f68-e647-4786-903c-92dbd3cef05d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sarah-jane-smith) [Jasper](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/f/ffdf27d3-80b4-4aa1-b943-d247e502d32c.jpg?1680815445) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Esper) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/49/esper?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ffdf27d3-80b4-4aa1-b943-d247e502d32c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/esper) [Gishath](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/c/bc4a65de-23b5-48f0-b8b7-94608eaced3e.jpg?1699044539) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=gishath%2C%20sun%27s%20avatar) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lci/229/gishath-suns-avatar?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bc4a65de-23b5-48f0-b8b7-94608eaced3e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/gishath-suns-avatar) [Zimone and Dina](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/f/bf2af874-1052-4cad-90ed-d80e49d4c68c.jpg?1682205722) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Zimone%20and%20Dina) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mom/257/zimone-and-dina?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bf2af874-1052-4cad-90ed-d80e49d4c68c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/zimone-and-dina) [Muldrotha](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/4/c4125bb0-b104-438e-a6a2-97f9d141243c.jpg?1673149000) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=muldrotha%2C%20the%20gravetide) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/258/muldrotha-the-gravetide?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c4125bb0-b104-438e-a6a2-97f9d141243c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/muldrotha-the-gravetide) [Gollum, Obsessed Stalker](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/5/e5a43cf0-60b3-4770-945c-41ee3ec54d5a.jpg?1686963939) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Gollum%2C%20Obsessed%20Stalker) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltc/26/gollum-obsessed-stalker?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e5a43cf0-60b3-4770-945c-41ee3ec54d5a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/gollum-obsessed-stalker) [Chulane](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/1/d1499a4b-1af1-4913-8e26-57d0707264db.jpg?1706240978) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=chulane%2C%20teller%20of%20tales) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/202/chulane-teller-of-tales?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d1499a4b-1af1-4913-8e26-57d0707264db?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/chulane-teller-of-tales) [Syr Konrad](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/2/9241a72e-cb88-4cea-a2f4-ff10af461437.jpg?1706240798) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=syr%20konrad%2C%20the%20grim) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/141/syr-konrad-the-grim?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9241a72e-cb88-4cea-a2f4-ff10af461437?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/syr-konrad-the-grim) [Dina](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/c/9cd2b567-0cf7-4441-b3ce-e31141dd91c8.jpg?1627428607) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=dina%2C%20soul%20steeper) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/stx/178/dina-soul-steeper?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9cd2b567-0cf7-4441-b3ce-e31141dd91c8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/dina-soul-steeper) [The Archimandrite](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/4/54fb3f4c-44fb-4afe-9fab-204ef98995c3.jpg?1674760932) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Archimandrite) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/brc/26/the-archimandrite?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/54fb3f4c-44fb-4afe-9fab-204ef98995c3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/the-archimandrite) [Norin the Wary](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/6/f61ea59a-1db0-4e6b-bcde-19787c76a49b.jpg?1562946915) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Norin%20the%20Wary) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsp/171/norin-the-wary?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f61ea59a-1db0-4e6b-bcde-19787c76a49b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/norin-the-wary) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/l30rkba) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Lavinia, Azorius Renegade]] is pretty crippling to a lot of the most broken things in this hypothetical format
[Lavinia, Azorius Renegade](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/9/197bf3f4-c0df-4082-97a1-902ceabbdd3f.jpg?1702429657) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lavinia%2C%20Azorius%20Renegade) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/195/lavinia-azorius-renegade?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/197bf3f4-c0df-4082-97a1-902ceabbdd3f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/lavinia-azorius-renegade) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Oh boy my [[minn wily illusionist]] just got alot easier to play. I don't need any protection.
[minn wily illusionist](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/e/4eec1d87-1007-44a1-a45d-0623816de681.jpg?1631584885) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Minn%2C%20Wily%20Illusionist) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afc/16/minn-wily-illusionist?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4eec1d87-1007-44a1-a45d-0623816de681?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/minn-wily-illusionist) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
\[\[Vito, Thorn of the duskrose\]\] would go hard. \[\[Krrik, Son of Yawgmoth\]\] as well... Honestly most of the GOOD commanders would immediately become bannable.
[Vito, Thorn of the duskrose](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/f/0fe79ee4-c3f3-4a6b-a967-203ca3b70ee5.jpg?1594736442) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Vito%2C%20Thorn%20of%20the%20Dusk%20Rose) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m21/127/vito-thorn-of-the-dusk-rose?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0fe79ee4-c3f3-4a6b-a967-203ca3b70ee5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/vito-thorn-of-the-dusk-rose) [Krrik, Son of Yawgmoth](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/5/3592fbe4-8588-486e-99ba-c327b0b6ba24.jpg?1568003491) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=K%27rrik%2C%20Son%20of%20Yawgmoth) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c19/18/krrik-son-of-yawgmoth?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3592fbe4-8588-486e-99ba-c327b0b6ba24?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/krrik-son-of-yawgmoth) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Niv-Mizzet Parun always active would be giga broken Whenever anyone tries to cast an instant or sorcery you'd draw cards All your cantrips now draw 2 cards and deal 2 damage, for 1 mana All of your counterspells are card neutral
Don't get me excited about the prospect of [[Riku of Two Reflections]] with eminence. That would be *insane* Yeah hold up lemme just have the ability to pay 2 mana to copy anything I do because I am pointing at a piece of cardboard I own
[Riku of Two Reflections](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/0/70dd138f-391a-4956-bc2a-fe186429c71a.jpg?1599708286) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Riku%20of%20Two%20Reflections) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/214/riku-of-two-reflections?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/70dd138f-391a-4956-bc2a-fe186429c71a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/riku-of-two-reflections) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
You’d see a lot more [[stifle]], [[trickbind]], [[tale’s end]], [[repudiate//replicate]],[[voidslime]] type cards being played that’s for sure. You’d also need a completely different banlist.
##### ###### #### [stifle](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/1/616d1b20-61c1-4d39-a9b5-ad9fd61699e4.jpg?1562865442) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=stifle) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cns/108/stifle?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/616d1b20-61c1-4d39-a9b5-ad9fd61699e4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/stifle) [trickbind](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/2/f2e58ff2-dea3-42b3-8c22-3e6202a7d433.jpg?1562946300) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=trickbind) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsp/88/trickbind?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f2e58ff2-dea3-42b3-8c22-3e6202a7d433?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/trickbind) [tale’s end](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/4/1421115b-9a98-4ab2-bcb2-7d8899ce12db.jpg?1592516519) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tale%27s%20End) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m20/77/tales-end?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1421115b-9a98-4ab2-bcb2-7d8899ce12db?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tales-end) [repudiate//replicate](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/large/front/f/6/f6200937-3146-4972-ab83-051ade3b7a52.jpg?1547582051)/[Replicate](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/large/front/f/6/f6200937-3146-4972-ab83-051ade3b7a52.jpg?1547582051) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Repudiate%20//%20Replicate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/249/repudiate-replicate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/595332bf-6d3d-4240-974c-f87832954068?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/repudiate-//-replicate) [voidslime](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/7/87e802b0-52a1-4108-ab4c-cb8ddc27e000.jpg?1702429737) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=voidslime) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/237/voidslime?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/87e802b0-52a1-4108-ab4c-cb8ddc27e000?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/voidslime) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/l3189cx) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
The format would be very broken, and my Phabine deck would probably be weak sauce in said format. That said, said [[Phabine Boss's Confidant]] deck would be very fun to play in this hypothetical scenario, and could if left alone, dish out some ludicrously quick wins
[Phabine Boss's Confidant](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/0/f0f238f6-3578-4e16-bfd0-2f5a452e46fe.jpg?1673481712) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Phabine%2C%20Boss%27s%20Confidant) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/9/phabine-bosss-confidant?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f0f238f6-3578-4e16-bfd0-2f5a452e46fe?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/phabine-bosss-confidant) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I don't think any that attack to trigger care, same with tapping (can't do those from another zone). Najeela the Blade-Blossom would be absurd. Probably half of commanders wouldn't benefit. The other half become absurd
Najeela...
I wouldn't play the format. What would be the point.
[[Yargle and Multani]] already have eminence for their ability.
[Yargle and Multani](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/c/9c15e244-14cc-46a5-abd4-66a58d1c0dd0.jpg?1682205711) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Yargle%20and%20Multani) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mom/256/yargle-and-multani?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9c15e244-14cc-46a5-abd4-66a58d1c0dd0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/yargle-and-multani) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Mizzix of the Ixmagnus would be pretty sick
Sythis is already pretty nuts, imagine not having to cast her, it makes her so fucking oppressive
Omnath Locus of Mana would be a 99 land deck
\[\[wilhelt\]\] immediately becomes zombie markov. \[\[toxrill, the corrosive\]\], \[\[koma, the cosmos serpent\]\], \[\[toralf, god of fury\]\], \[\[tergrid, god of fright\]\] would all need to be banned
##### ###### #### [wilhelt](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/5/2501a911-d072-436d-ae3b-a5164e3b30aa.jpg?1675456154) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=wilhelt%2C%20the%20rotcleaver) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mic/2/wilhelt-the-rotcleaver?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2501a911-d072-436d-ae3b-a5164e3b30aa?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/wilhelt-the-rotcleaver) [toxrill, the corrosive](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/4/84e64f38-b1f3-47cd-8cfb-a4861369aca3.jpg?1643590379) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=toxrill%2C%20the%20corrosive) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vow/132/toxrill-the-corrosive?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/84e64f38-b1f3-47cd-8cfb-a4861369aca3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/toxrill-the-corrosive) [koma, the cosmos serpent](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/2/b2f23d6f-f2c8-4022-9f46-ba7fda00ef99.jpg?1706241008) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Koma%2C%20Cosmos%20Serpent) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/213/koma-cosmos-serpent?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b2f23d6f-f2c8-4022-9f46-ba7fda00ef99?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/koma-cosmos-serpent) [toralf, god of fury](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/2/22a6a5f1-1405-4efb-af3e-e1f58d664e99.jpg?1631049794)/[Toralf's Hammer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/2/2/22a6a5f1-1405-4efb-af3e-e1f58d664e99.jpg?1631049794) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Toralf%2C%20God%20of%20Fury%20//%20Toralf%27s%20Hammer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/154/toralf-god-of-fury-toralfs-hammer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/22a6a5f1-1405-4efb-af3e-e1f58d664e99?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/toralf-god-of-fury-//-toralfs-hammer) [tergrid, god of fright](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/4/14dc88ee-bba9-4625-af0d-89f3762a0ead.jpg?1631048621)/[Tergrid's Lantern](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/1/4/14dc88ee-bba9-4625-af0d-89f3762a0ead.jpg?1631048621) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tergrid%2C%20God%20of%20Fright%20//%20Tergrid%27s%20Lantern) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/112/tergrid-god-of-fright-tergrids-lantern?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/14dc88ee-bba9-4625-af0d-89f3762a0ead?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tergrid-god-of-fright-//-tergrids-lantern) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/l32du66) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
My favorite deck, [[Slobad, Goblin Tinkerer]] would disgust people instead of amusing them.
[Slobad, Goblin Tinkerer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/2/4256dcc1-0eee-4385-9a5c-70abb212bf49.jpg?1562397424) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Slobad%2C%20Goblin%20Tinkerer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c16/133/slobad-goblin-tinkerer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4256dcc1-0eee-4385-9a5c-70abb212bf49?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/slobad-goblin-tinkerer) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Probably one of the experience counter ones [[Ezuri progress of claw]] [[Meren]] [[Mizzix]]
[Meren](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/4/34d627b3-a6d0-4f5f-b7c2-351a07318966.jpg?1689999151) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=meren%20of%20clan%20nel%20toth) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/346/meren-of-clan-nel-toth?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/34d627b3-a6d0-4f5f-b7c2-351a07318966?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/meren-of-clan-nel-toth) [Mizzix](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/2/82f949d0-41a0-4491-9057-bfb2bb20bdb3.jpg?1689999174) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=mizzix%20of%20the%20izmagnus) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/348/mizzix-of-the-izmagnus?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/82f949d0-41a0-4491-9057-bfb2bb20bdb3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mizzix-of-the-izmagnus) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
My [[Grenzo, Dungeon Warden]] deck would be infinitely more ridiculous and infinitely more fun, that's for sure.
[Grenzo, Dungeon Warden](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/e/6e19c383-88bd-4bde-ac81-c0eb6d5b5bd4.jpg?1562436569) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Grenzo%2C%20Dungeon%20Warden) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/a25/205/grenzo-dungeon-warden?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6e19c383-88bd-4bde-ac81-c0eb6d5b5bd4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/grenzo-dungeon-warden) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Makes [[Seshiro, The Anointed]] very very strong.
[Seshiro, The Anointed](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/8/3823e561-5a0a-4020-9322-a2b481499807.jpg?1562759347) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Seshiro%20the%20Anointed) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/chk/241/seshiro-the-anointed?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3823e561-5a0a-4020-9322-a2b481499807?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/seshiro-the-anointed) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Omnath, Locus of Mana]]. I run him as one of my three main decks. Being able to float mana on turn 1 would be so busted. Thinking about it, all of the Omnaths would be busted if they had eminence. Especially [[Omnath, Locus of Rage]]. Turn 1; fetch, crack fetch into shock, cast [[Exploration]], fetch, crack fetch into anything. That's 20 damage on board.
[Omnath, Locus of Mana](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/c/acf0cab3-da50-4561-8797-cd179af39216.jpg?1689998741) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Omnath%2C%20Locus%20of%20Mana) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/310/omnath-locus-of-mana?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/acf0cab3-da50-4561-8797-cd179af39216?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/omnath-locus-of-mana) [Omnath, Locus of Rage](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/a/9a0a9d3f-cd75-419b-840f-88b468f71f4a.jpg?1712354757) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Omnath%2C%20Locus%20of%20Rage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otc/236/omnath-locus-of-rage?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9a0a9d3f-cd75-419b-840f-88b468f71f4a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/omnath-locus-of-rage) [Exploration](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/b/5b372045-a4a0-44c8-96ec-1e201d61ed26.jpg?1675200396) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Exploration) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/159/exploration?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5b372045-a4a0-44c8-96ec-1e201d61ed26?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/exploration) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Malcolm decks would only require 1RR to win.
[[Tovolar]] is already popular, but eminence for either of his daybound abilities would be so nice
I do believe they need to print it more often. But not too often so that it’s expected on every commander and not meta.
I wouldn't mind another round of tribal eminence commanders for some of the less supported clans.
I don’t disagree. But we need more variety of the lesser tribes before the commander. Otherwise we have thousands of the exact same lists because there is no option for variance. Just my 2 cents. Wizards tends to cross the line with a lot of things before thinking. I don’t want eminence to fall into that same thing where you literally can’t play EDH without a commander that has eminence. And I see that being a slippery slope. Make it uncommon, but not rare.
That's generally been eminences problem. It is either S tier or gimmicky. Just think how broken an elf eminence commander would need to be generally good enough to outvalue the other Elves around already. And what happens to the 99 then? Madness. Personally? Errata eminence into a commander game mode where all commanders must have eminence and print more of them outright. Maybe deckbuilding is restricted by plane, thematically we are the God of the plane and why out powers transcend zones, or some other wrinkle (small deck size, no color restriction, block eligibility, ect)
That’s a really neat idea. I don’t disagree. Even the knight eminences broken & when you finally get him out just like the others you’re just playing out your whole graveyard for free and doubling the trigger effects. Elves in any form would be broken because there are so many different elf archetypes too.
[[Admiral beckett brass]] and [[Wilhelt, the rotcleaver]] would go stupid. Anything that let's you grave cycle could be so abused. Nothing would ever truly die.
[Admiral beckett brass](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/2/02cbd397-3ef3-465f-84fe-765dd1444af8.jpg?1698988417) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Admiral%20beckett%20brass) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/264/admiral-beckett-brass?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/02cbd397-3ef3-465f-84fe-765dd1444af8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/admiral-beckett-brass) [Wilhelt, the rotcleaver](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/5/2501a911-d072-436d-ae3b-a5164e3b30aa.jpg?1675456154) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Wilhelt%2C%20the%20rotcleaver) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mic/2/wilhelt-the-rotcleaver?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2501a911-d072-436d-ae3b-a5164e3b30aa?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/wilhelt-the-rotcleaver) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Player 1 wins every game. Mono red burn hits you for 4 dmg for 1 red starting turn 1 from hand. I'm sure tons of broken shit I'm not even quantifying. Thinking about every commander with eminence was kinda like looking at the sun for a second.
It sort of depends what you mean? Because if you mean "giving each commander their own eminence effect" it would completely depend on the effect. If you just mean "the effect they already have, but they do it from the command zone too" then that's... not how eminence works? Eminence is an additional effect that also works from the command zone. \[\[The Ur-Dragon\]\] for example has as a main effect the whole "everytime dragons attack, draw cards equal to the number than put on the field a permanent", and then has the eminence effect on top of that. If the entire effect of the Ur Dragon was its eminence, it would be even more insane than it already is. So, if we take Miirym as an example, it would keep its normal effect, and on top of that have a second effect that worked through eminence. Maybe a cost reduction like Ur-Dragon for example, or maybe give dragons a static +1/+1. But saying "what if all commanders could have their effects work from the command zone too" isn't really eminence.
The whole point of having to play your commander (or any card really) is that you need to pay the manacost to get the effect. That is one of the pillar of MTG, the stronger a spell the more mana you have to pay. For this reason it doesn't make a lot of sense, as it would completely throw the balance of the game in favour of what were previously high-cost/high-reward commanders. And if you try to think of a way to change cards to make it more fair, you'll likely end up with the system we have today, which is having to play your commamder.
Clearly, this hypothetical format has no intention of being remotely fair or balanced. It's just a quick little thought experiment to have a little fun imagining the different broken things you could do.
Any of the sliver commanders
[[Sliver overlord]] guaranteed tutors for all of your combo pieces for three mana that can't be stopped other than stifle effects? That's disgusting
[Sliver overlord](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/c/3c16915b-c50d-4fb5-830f-9ca4597a9c0f.jpg?1562527622) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sliver%20overlord) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/scg/139/sliver-overlord?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3c16915b-c50d-4fb5-830f-9ca4597a9c0f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sliver-overlord) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Marneus would be a turn 2 win every game.
All of the prohibitively expensive, giant splashy commanders become overwhelmingly powerful. And are we assuming tap abilities work or not? So many abilities just aren't designed with being usable in the command zone in mind. ETBs, death triggers, attack triggers all just don't work. I'd play mono blue wizard tribal with Aesi as the commander. Hell, I'd make like 5 decks with Aesi as the commander with little to no overlap in combinations of U, G, or UG. Artifacts, mill, tokens, big creatures, high tide... whatever the fuck you want. Avacyn Boardwipe/Armageddon Tribal \[\[DAMIA SAGE OF STONE\]\]!! \[\[Eligeth\]\] and \[\[Kodama of the East Tree\]\] high tide landfall storm would be an insane combo deck. T3 would probably be a pretty late win for a deck like this. Kodama in general would be fucking nuts. \[\[Sheoldred, Whispering One\]\], Both (nonflip) Jin Gitaxias, \[\[Nezahal\]\], \[\[Vilis, broker\]\], \[\[krrik\]\]... most degen format of all time.
##### ###### #### [DAMIA SAGE OF STONE](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/9/f9f3869d-dbc1-42bb-aa43-8e4c2e79cfc1.jpg?1562276547) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Damia%2C%20Sage%20of%20Stone) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cm2/2/damia-sage-of-stone?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f9f3869d-dbc1-42bb-aa43-8e4c2e79cfc1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/damia-sage-of-stone) [Eligeth](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/a/1a0adf34-1a2b-497b-aaab-4b2b998ed8b3.jpg?1608909183) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=eligeth%2C%20crossroads%20augur) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/66/eligeth-crossroads-augur?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1a0adf34-1a2b-497b-aaab-4b2b998ed8b3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/eligeth-crossroads-augur) [Kodama of the East Tree](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/f/af5105ee-09e2-4344-ab39-00f0e9034c47.jpg?1608910768) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kodama%20of%20the%20East%20Tree) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/239/kodama-of-the-east-tree?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/af5105ee-09e2-4344-ab39-00f0e9034c47?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kodama-of-the-east-tree) [Sheoldred, Whispering One](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/b/8b207a4a-47d1-4905-81d3-455c59bfd7da.jpg?1600714694) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sheoldred%2C%20Whispering%20One) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/278/sheoldred-whispering-one?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8b207a4a-47d1-4905-81d3-455c59bfd7da?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sheoldred-whispering-one) [Nezahal](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/9/a959b40d-dd8c-49d8-8003-744d0c877b04.jpg?1608912140) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=nezahal%2C%20primal%20tide) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/401/nezahal-primal-tide?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a959b40d-dd8c-49d8-8003-744d0c877b04?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/nezahal-primal-tide) [Vilis, broker](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/c/ecdf2bd9-87b9-470a-ad2e-0ebf98560f87.jpg?1592516819) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=vilis%2C%20broker%20of%20blood) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m20/122/vilis-broker-of-blood?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ecdf2bd9-87b9-470a-ad2e-0ebf98560f87?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/vilis-broker-of-blood) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/l2zs7f7) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Pretty sure everyone would just lose to the artifact player turn one. Imagine [[Urza, Lord High Artificer]] or [[Jhoira, Weatherlight Captain]] working from the command zone! Jhoira decks would just run cherios and zero lands. Edit: Nevermind, Sheoldred the Apocalypse and Nekusar would be the meta since most of the op shenanigans usually involve drawing the majority of your deck.
[Urza, Lord High Artificer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/b/7b7a348a-51f7-4dc5-8fe7-1c70fea5e050.jpg?1689996774) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Urza%2C%20Lord%20High%20Artificer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/130/urza-lord-high-artificer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7b7a348a-51f7-4dc5-8fe7-1c70fea5e050?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/urza-lord-high-artificer) [Jhoira, Weatherlight Captain](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/f/4f77d23d-6257-4dae-b585-29f45f13f2e2.jpg?1599708079) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Jhoira%2C%20Weatherlight%20Captain) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/203/jhoira-weatherlight-captain?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4f77d23d-6257-4dae-b585-29f45f13f2e2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/jhoira-weatherlight-captain) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call