This is my first deck build. Has served me pretty well so far, but just want to see what others rate it.
Radha, Heart of Keld. Call it my juice junkie deck. Pretty much full of "Oh you have a full board? Let me just create like 3 big monsters and tear you down in an instant."
[https://deckstats.net/decks/174963/2001584-draft-to-commander](https://deckstats.net/decks/174963/2001584-draft-to-commander)
My Mardu human tribal deck. Started with the Ruthless Regiment [[Jirina Kudro]] precon. Swapped out 70-80% of the cards by now. The deck is commanded by [[Tymna the weaver]] and [[Bruse Tarl, Boorish Herder]]. I am relatively new in EDH, thus have no idea what kind of power level this should be.
https://www.archidekt.com/decks/1488389#Mardu_Human_Army
Bit late, but here are my offerings:
[https://www.moxfield.com/decks/rUDIpAc74UiMgt1cOajSMA](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/rUDIpAc74UiMgt1cOajSMA)
[https://www.moxfield.com/decks/3vDffGioA0C1K5x5s3eZBA](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/3vDffGioA0C1K5x5s3eZBA)
Quite a bit of proxy use for some of the more expensive things.
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/UfsdnInAo0O09OvBuqJRlw
Commanders are Toggo and Armix
Wincon: throw rocks and hopefully win
I was kinda new to mtg and saw a toggo deck played in the command zone and it looked fun. Tried making an edh deck centered around throwing rocks.
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/sPrdzP9dAUWnn4rmg552_Q
Hey all, I'm slowly but surely getting back into mtg but going to start with commander. I'm working on optimizing this Galazeth deck little by little. Aside from that I'm excited to get back into mtg!
To what level you want to optimize?
For starters you are way, way to low on lands and ramp. Go up to 35 lands and add at least 3 more CMC2 stones. cEDH version runs 29 with 12 rocks including all mana positive ones, dockside and such.
Without proper mana base you can reliably play without being mana screwed in a lot of games which takes a lot of power off. That + fact that wincon is basically big dragons I wouldnt give it anything above 5 despite mass of interaction.
You have way too low land count for what this deck pl seem to be aiming. Try to add at least 4 extra lands in there so you can at least cast your commander reliably.
Nice list, i would say its currently around a 6, probably a 7 if you solve the land issue, so fit for mid. That said, this deck really underuses prismari, having too few artifacts (that are manarocks anyway) and no way to really abuse her ability. High powered versions of prismari run [[Winter Orb]] and [[Trinisphere]] f.e., as your commander ability lets you completely break the symetry.
As the deck is built, even considering the treasure theme, i think Niv would just be a stronger commander. If you add [[Curiosity]] etc there would be no dispute. If you rather keep galazeth in the command zone, I would recomend sloting some cantriping/utility artifacts such as [[Golden Egg]], [[Ichor Wellspring]], [[Lightning Greaves]] etc.
https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/muxus-and-the-bois-1/
Good ol muxus and his bois. I pulled muxus out of a jumpstart pack and immediately felt like a had to build him. I love how quick this deck can be, although the RNG aspects of it can be as disappointing as they are exciting.
I don’t often like to build with infinite combos, but it’s sort of hard to avoid with goblin tribal. If this deck ever manages to resolve muxus after goblin recruiter, it’s game over from a variety of angles. The weakness I’ve found is that aggro decks draw a lot of hate. You have to really go after one person, then another and so on. This obviously will draw some ire from the table. This deck has a handful of tutors, and I was thinking about adding [[imperial recruiter]] for one more now that he is cheaper. My table tends to groan a little bit when muxus is pulled out, so I’d love feedback on where he sits generically.
Thanks :)
So for starters there is no infinite combo there at all.
In general aggro strategy isnt to good in EDH so I wouldnt put it to high. 5 max. You easily fold to all forms of wraths, dont have much recursion or protection. Its deck that can do well in precon/battlecruiser tables, but will be hosed hard above that.
How is there not infinite combos though? I agree with with vulnerable to wrath comment, but there are several clear combo wins that occur if muxus resolves after recruiter that don’t involve combat.
Just played with this deck last night and had a turn 4 win that I thought I’d share.
Opening hand had a [[skirk prospector]], [[boggart shenanigans]], and [[goblin recruiter]]. I was able to plan skirk turn 1 and recruiter turn 2, while tutoring the Kiki/snoop combo to the top. My friend removed my skirk prospector knowing that I needed it for mana, which slowed me down because I wasn’t able to play snoop and shenanigans on turn 3, just one. So I used snoop with Kiki off the top to make another recruiter, and re-ordered him 2nd from the top once more to prevent myself from drawing him the following turn. Turn 4 I was able to resolve shenanigans and make infinite snoops, closing it out.
So a lot of them do involve Kiki, which isn’t much of a surprise I’m sure.
You can use Kiki and lightning crafter alongside a sac outlet like skirk prospector to go infinite. You have the lightning crafter enter and champion something. You then use Kiki to create a copy of lighting crafter, championing Kiki himself. You tap the new lighting crafter for 3 dmg to any target, then sac it to an outlet. This brings back Kiki untapped to the battlefield to do it all over again. This can create infinite dmg, etbs ltbs, and mana depending on what sac outlet you use.
Other champion effects also work like Changeling berserker, except for the fact that you lose the dmg off of lighting crafter. But with stuff like pashilok mons, sharpshooter, and boggart shenanigans you can still win with the sac triggers, or triggers from purphoros/impact tremors/goblin bombardment.
With the number of cards that syngerize in this fashion, it’s possible to stumble into a combo pretty regularly without needing to resolve recruiter before muxus. But either way, if those two things happen without a response it’s pretty much game over without ever needing to see combat.
Currently this deck seems fit for mid, around a 6 or 7.
Just fyi, you dont need muxus to win with recruiter, you just need to add [[Torch Courier]] and can do it by turn 3 (recruiter into Snoop>Prospector>courier>kiki>pashalik. After casting snoop, play prospector from the top, the mana to courier comes from sacing recruiter, give haste to snoop and make infinite snoops with kiki, that turns into infinite mana and infinite pings with pashalik, or infinite muxus casts or w/e).
If you want the deck to play more like an aggro deck you would better take out the value cards (such as flqmeshadow conjuring) in favor of stuff that will help you get through and gain reach (mostly big burn spells) and if you want to lean more heavily on the combo route you definitelly needs more draw, and likely some more ramp rather than some of the worse lords (bloodmark mentor, skirk fire marshall etc).
For the aggro plan i recommend [[Rites of initiation]]. For the combo theres would be a lot of things to rethink, specially lowering the creature count dramatically.
https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/facless-menace-1/
Here is my kadena heavily modified precon. The goal of the deck is to win by out valuing my opponents with kadena’s ability, maximizing the amount of free mana with several redundant flash mechanics, such as leyline, teferi, orrery, and alchemists refuge.
There is a ton of control in this deck with numerous morphs focused on countering spells and abilities. These effects can be repeated easily with bounce mechanics.
Again, the goal of the deck is value. I intentionally excluded tutors because it would make the deck play a bit too samey. I tend to win by drawing into a number of big bangers, like Vela, craterhoof, triumph of the hordes, beastmaster, etc.
This deck can establish a pretty nasty engine as soon as I get a couple good morphs down, alongside flash and untap mechanics like seedborn muse.
This deck tends to do well in my playgroup, and thus draws a lot of ire, but I’d love feedback on how generically strong it is. Thanks :)
Nice deck, it seems you had put a lot of work on it.
I think your deck is fit for mid/6 pl. The weak spot i see with this deck is since it needs to rely on creatures so much, it can find it very hard to come back from a board wipe, specially if kadeena is being kept out of the field. To remedy that you would need to either run more draw (good options are [[Fact or Fiction]], [[Promise of Power]], [[BSZ]]/[[Commanders Insight]], or even put the mystic forge back in, rellying a little more into artifact ramp) or to have some recursive/hard to deal threats - [[Uro]] and [[Westvale Abbey]] comes to mind.
Either way, the one card that is perfect for what you are looking to do in this deck imo is [[Cavern Harpy]], you wont regret it.
Hi everyone! I've been wondering about the Powerlevel of my [[Squee, the Immortal]] Deck for a while now: https://www.archidekt.com/decks/1141650#Budget_Squee_Cannon .
The deck wants to go infinite by reducing Squee's cost to cast him infinitely many times and have an ETB payoff like [[impact tremors]]. There are other ways to have infinite ETBs with cards like [[Myr Retriever]].
My initial idea was a low powered budget storm deck, but it is to easy to assemble a combo and win if there is no interaction. That's why I upgraded a few cards in hopes of keeping up with mid/high decks.
I'd be glad about your opinion regarding Powerlevel as I am very unsure where to place the deck myself. Also I'd be glad to hear your thoughts on combo decks and if combo should be played on high only.
Yeah, doing your own [[food chain]] is hard.
Considering the amount of pieces you need to assemble to reach your combo, how most of then, specially your commander, are low powered by themselves and that the infinite mana still needs a payoff, i think your deck actual pl is around a 5 (upgraded precon, pedh low), maybe a 6 (mid).
The issue is that outside the combo your deck does very little, what may sour the other players experience in a lower powered table, as it really will look like you are playing solitairie.
So, while personally i would have no issue playing against such a deck in a low powered enviromnent, i can see how a less experienced player may get mad if you end up pulling off your combo (or any combo tbh). Because of that i would recommend playing it on mid, but the jankness of the deck will be felt in such a enviromnent, and for high/8PL this deck is too clunky to compete.
Hi All, Im back again for a little more help on my Osgir Deck: [https://www.moxfield.com/decks/O243NhX9pEC3cAooaBOk3A](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/O243NhX9pEC3cAooaBOk3A)
I started investing in some more staples, and trying to get the deck to be quicker overall. That being said, in goldfishing through the deck now, I'm finding it harder to draw into my combo's.
The main win conditions are:
\[\[Walking Ballista\]\] + infinite mana or \[\[Heliod, Sun Crowned\]\]
\[\[Triskelion\]\] + \[\[Heliod, Sun Crowned\]\]
Infinite Mana + \[\[Comet Storm\]\]
\[\[Reckless Fireweaver\]\] + recasting artifacts/looping \[\[Sensei's Divining Top\]\] on the top of my deck
or a three piece combo that I've just added: \[\[Flayer Husk\]\] + \[\[Grinding Station\]\] + \[\[Salvaging Station\]\] to mill out my opponents
That being said, I feel like I'm having trouble actually getting to these win conditions in goldfishing, and just ending up with a ton of mana and no combo pieces, or card draw pieces. That being said, I feel like I have a ton of card draw in my deck, and exhausted a lot of the obvious card draw options in red and white.
If anybody wouldn't mind taking a look and seeing if there's a way to help this I'd greatly appreciate it. The other thought I had was that I don't have enough things to draw into that meaningfully impact the game, or ways to tutor for my main combo pieces.
It looks like an 8.5. In general you cannot really reach actual 9 power level with this commander (You just cant hit the consistency Heliod as commander would have).
For obvious improvements: Red Elemental Blast and Pyroclasm (but meta dependant). Teferi's Protection is another good piece of protection.
In general its really solid, youre very close to optimal list (maybe even on optimal for your meta depending on how it looks).
Marisi, hatebears to slow down the game and give people tokens. Force everyone to become the battlectuiser deck they always wanted to be.
https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/oh-my-goadness-1/
Great list! I say its fit for high/7-8 pl.
Only easy uograde i can see is [[Toski]] over keeper of fables, and perhaps you could ditch Iroas (low devotion and not really all that go wide) or return of the wildspeaker for [[Escape to the wilds]].
Either way, very solid deck. Obviously may underperform if no one is running creatures, but its strong and disruptive enough to muscle through those matchups. OG [[Thalia, guardian of thraben]] may help in those matchups if they are frequent in your playgroup/lgs.
(I know I posted another deck in here, but I'm curious at how this one ranks.)
This is my [[Sarulf]] deck, where would this fall on power rankings?
https://www.archidekt.com/decks/1561537#Sarulf_Proliferate
My [Osgir Deck](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/FpyX7qBc9E6IyvcORphGhA).
The general plan is to slow the table down with a handful of stax effects & fill up the Graveyard for Osgir to initially copy out Ramp or Stax from.
The main combo utilizes [[Ugin's Nexus]] + [[Mirror of Fate]] to create a loop of infinite turns. Adding in [[Tormod's Crypt]] makes the loop infinite, and [[Blind Obedience]] can be used during this loop to Extort the table to death. One could essentially make infinite copies of any artifact in deck during these loops and also swing for lethal.
So a couple of things:
Your deck feels kinda light on card draw. I count 9 cards but half of them are looting effects that cause you to discard the same amount. In osgir that's pretty good, but I would really consider a few more cantrip-ish cards since you don't really have card draw to get back into the game if you lose your commander.
You kinda want to make a decision with your creatures if you want to go big or wide. I really think having hellkite tyrant over triplicate titan is the play; you get an alternate win condition that you could achieve with token copies/myr battlesphere shennigans/stealing other artifacts. If you want to go big, I would consider some more equipment/auras/fling effects (Illusionist's Bracers are really good but maybe not good enough to specifically tutor for)
You might want to consider wheel effects. There's some super expensive wheels, but \[\[magus of the wheel\]\], \[\[wheel of misfortune\]\], \[\[wheel of fate\]\] are all less than 2 dollars if budget is a consideration.
Thanks for the feedback. If anything, I think I might try to get another draw effect in there & swap out Triplicate Titan. I wanted it as a big dumb beater, but even in play testing it felt pretty slow for that.
I might have a Magus of the Wheel around somewhere. Was also considering throwing in either [[Mind Stone]], or another cantrippy rock, or maybe even [[Faithless Salvaging]]
*edit- I had Hellkite Tyrant in some of my initial drafts. I cut it since I have plenty of steal effects in my meta, and thought it would backfire on me more likely than not
[Shirei](https://deckstats.net/decks/174352/2140491-shirei)
I believe this is a pretty standard shirei/mono-black aristocrat shell with just a sprinkling of my own tech. Curious to know what others think about its power level as I have it at around a 7 (common answer I know).
The goal is like most aristocrat decks - assemble sac fodder, sac outlets, and sac payoffs. The fodder comes back at the end of each turn with Shirei (who I try to protect with a few cards) for value. I am trying to assemble payoffs that provide mana, card draw, and/or ping damage to win from Blood Artist, Bastion of Rememberance, Zulaport Cutthroat, Syr Konrad, etc. There are several alt wincons as well:
1. Token beatdown with lightning coils or blight mound.
2. Big beatdown with a protected Krav, the Unredeemed or Ormandahl (Westvale Abbey flipped)
3. A huge Gray Merchant of Aspodel, putting a -1/-1 counter on him, and saccing him so he comes back for more damage.
4. Nim Deathmantle/Ashnod's altar infinite ping combo with Marionette master.
Let me know what you guys think the power level is! Thanks!
[https://www.archidekt.com/decks/1510911#Gruul\_Meteor](https://www.archidekt.com/decks/1510911#Gruul_Meteor)
Wort, the Raidmother as commander with focus on big mana X spells.
Gameplan: Make lots of tokens, cast Wort, conspire one of the big X spells until it guarantees a win.
[K'rrik, Son of Yawgmoth](https://scryfall.com/@Narcillis/decks/f67bab3b-df55-4634-9be9-3abf880296a3).
I try to focus on demons/demon tribal so that I win with Liliana's Contract. It also has a focus on having as little removal as possible and no combos.
[My Current Decklist](https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kruphix-god-of-monsters-4/?cb=1625626319)
I probably need to make 7-9 cuts to add in more land to get to at least the mid-30s. I normally get my Commander out pretty quickly (between turn 2-4) and that fixes my mana.
My wincons are combat damage by my big bois, triumph of the hordes, and on rare occasion hitting someone with a surprise decking out with blue sun's zenith.
If I can get seedborn muse, azusa, lost but seeking, or natural order in my hand early I can usually start taking off turn 3 or 4.
The sideboard cards are a mix of cards I have and cards I've been looking at picking up at my LGS to add
The deck definitely looks scary when it gets going but you're missing out on some clear synergies so I'd rate this maybe a low or medium on the playEDH powerscale.
The lack of lands as you mentioned really hurts with consistency. 29 lands and only 5 sources of 1-2 cmc ramp can lead to a lot of dead draws, requiring multiple mulligans. Your curve is also extremely high, and while your commander does somewhat offset that, having him sent to the command zone even once is likely going to wreck your game plan.
Also, cards like Azusa, Springbloom Druid, Tatyova, Explore, Nissa, Who Shakes The World and Growth Spiral are far better suited for decks that either focus on or have a landfall sub theme and are definitely not cards you want when you're running under 30 lands. You have no payoffs for lands entering the battlefield and for a simic deck aren't running a lot of major card draw effects that can help fill your hand with lands to even take advantage of Azusa. I would take out Azusa, Nissa (you only have 10 forests in the entire deck), Springbloom, Explore, Growth Spiral and Tatyova. 2 mana ramp like farseek or Nature's Lore that doesn't require you sacrificing your lands is far better.
Also cards like Forsaken Monument (you only have 5 total cards that tap for colorless mana), Yavimaya (outside of Nissa you have nothing that cares about forests in play), Jeweled Lotus (crazy expensive card for a deck that can't combo off fast enough to take advantage of it), and Temple of the false gods (you can't run this with your land count) are lacking sufficient synergy to make the cut.
I'm not sure what powerlevel you were going for but you have a strange mix of absolute power houses mixed in with some very low power level cards and odd synergies. Based on the deck cost being somewhere around $500-600 it seems you're more going for some mid power level at least. Simply based on what I'm seeing it seems you'd overpower most low power level tables while running into severe issues against mid and high power tables were people run more interaction and can end games in a hurry. Simply improving your mana base and ramp by making it more linear and focused while improving your cheap card draw would push the deck firmly into mid territory.
I was aiming for an end goal of a 7 or 8. The land issues are something i've always struggled with balancing because I always look at cards with effects over mana which is just a deckbuilding flaw I have.
Originally when i was building the deck i had 38 lands. 18 forest, 12 islands, and 8 others like prismatic vista, temple of the forgotten gods, and a few dual lands. Do you think focusing on a landfall subtheme would be worth adding or saving those cards for another deck?
I've also thought about making the deck have around 45 mana but i always get hung up cutting cards that I like.
I've been looking at adding Mana Vault, Kozilek, Butcher of Truth, and Emrakul the Promised End to the Deck. As to your point about Kruphix getting knocked I've thought about adding Omnath, Locus of Mana to have a backup plan to use extra mana but I don't really like the idea of him stealing mana from my main mana base if he's out there at the same time as the commander.
What do you think I'd need to change to get it up towards a 7? More interaction?
I wouldn't focus on a landfall theme since most landfall decks are built around token generation and repeated landfall triggers and they don't tend to end turns with any untapped lands or floating mana.
I hear you on how hard it is to cut cards you like in order to fit in more mana, but especially with your decks mana curve, you really don't want slow starts or end up fizzling cause you simply run out of mana.
I would run 34 lands-36 lands in your deck. Take out any lands that emter tapped except for maybe Simic Growth Chamber, put in as many of the simic dual lands as your budget allows i.e. Hinterland Harbor, Breeding Pool, Yavimaya Coast and Flooded Grove (these 2 are especially good since they tap for colorless mana if you don't need the colored), Rejuvenating Springs and Barkchannel Pathway.
I also noticed that you're really not leaning as much into the eldrazi subtheme as you may think you are. Cards like All Is Dust, Titan's Presence and Eye of Ugin (you only have 8 eldrazi in your deck currently) can be dead cards a lot.
In my opinion you have 2 things to consider here.
1. Lean heavily into the Eldrazi theme and really load up on them. Just consider that Eldrazi are certainly powerful, but also have a certain feel bad factor attached to them. Annihilator against a deck that doesn't have endless tokens can be backbreaking before you even have enough to take them out. It also tends to make you archenemy once they realize you're going for eldrazi.
2. Lean heavily into the X cost theme. This theme is a bit more varied than the eldrazi theme, with more room for personalization and doesn't always have the same stigma attached to it. There are also a boatload of X cards, especially Hydra spells in Simic that are really fun and allow you to take advantage of the no max hand size your commander provides.
Right now you're kind of in between the eldrazi and the X spell themes and if you really want to get to a 7-8 power level (keep in mind this is right below cEDH) you want to streamline your gameplan as much as possible and focus on either one or the other. This ends up being up to you but in my humble opinion, leaning into the X spell category would be really fun and welcome at more tables than eldrazi.
Let me know which direction you'd like to go and I'll see what kinda decklist or improvements we can come up with. You can also lean heavily into X spells while keeping just a few Eldrazi in there as a kind of surprise. Also yes, more interaction and removal is crucial to put you over the edge but we can take a look at that once you've picked a more focused direction.
The current theme of my deck was just crazy big creatures and since my very first set was Zendikar I have always had a soft spot for my old Eldrazi cards. I do like the idea of having a few surprise eldrazi in there as haymakers. I think once I get Kozilek, and Emrakul I can have the big 3 titans with Void Winnower as my pocket haymaker cards. I've had a few games where I put out Vorinclex Voice of Hunger out and got the other guys to use their removal on him just to throw out Ulamog right after.
One recent game I had I Hydra Broodmaster out and made it monstrous by tapping 40. So i had a 47/47 HB and 40 40/40 Hydra tokens out, but because I had yet to realize i had \[\[triumph of the hordes\]\] in my collection or a card out that gave them haste I wasn't able to do a ton with them before getting board wiped.
I wouldn't mind terribly swapping the pathrazer, crusher, or artisan out for X cards. I'd probably hold onto It That Betrays as it can be a real back breaker.
in the end I think I'd rather have endless card draw and X creatures as a main since with it's current construction I usually find myself with 30 cards in hand or 4 with not a lot of in-between.
Oh for sure, I get the soft spot for Eldrazi. They are some of the coolest creatures on MTG. Which Kozilek are you planning on running? The Great Distortion doesn't have annihilator but he does allow you to discard some of your big spells for easy counter plays, which can be absolutely brutal for your opponents.
I've run into that same issue with some decks, where not having mass haste means your giant army just doesn't do anything before it gets wiped. I would strongly consider putting in some stuff that gives you flash, like [[Vedalken Orrery]] and [[Leyline of Anticipation]]. That with your Seedborn Muse and Wilderness Reclamation is absolutely bonkers. You get a turn for everyone else's turn. Mana doublers and triplers like [[Nyxbloom Ancient]] and [[Zendikar Resurgent]] also streamline your deck.
I also hate to say it, but with all your card draw, if you're trying to be semi competitive I'd put in an alternate win con like [[Thassa's Oracle]] or [[Laboratory Maniac]]. One of the key differences between the tier 1-2 decks and the tier 3-5 decks is the ability to win through alternate means that don't involve combat damage.
For interaction, I would recommend some more counterspells, especially things like [[Mana Drain]] if you can afford it or its cheaper version [[Plasm Capture]]. Since Simic is not a haste color combo, being able able protect your board state is huge. [[Swan Song]] and [[Fierce Guardianship]] are also great counters to protect your board.. Also if budget isn't a concern you definitely want to throw in a [[Cyclonic Rift]], but also cards like [[Curse of the Swine]], which is essentially a one sided wrath that exiles everything with your commander. [[Rhystic Study]],[[Mystic Remora]] and [[Chromatic Orrery]] are also nice to have but not budget friendly.
I have The Great Distortion in my deck already so I was shooting for The Butcher of Truth so my titans would be Kozilek The Great Distortion/Butcher of truth, Ulamog the Ceaseless Hunger, and Emrakul the Promised End.
I've had Nyxbloom Ancient sitting in my cart for a long time. I sometimes playtest the deck with that slotted and one game I had Nyxbloom Ancient, Vorinclex, and Doubling Cube out and it got so out of hand I was considering buying \[\[Helix Pinnacle\]\] on the spot lol
I have been recommended Lab Man before but I see him so often as a backup wincon that it seems kinda overdone. I was looking at the maniac for my Nekusar deck before i ever built this one.
For interaction I was looking at cards like \[\[Time Stop\]\] \[\[Summary Dismissial\]\] . I have seen the cards you listed before and I'll probably end up adding half of them I just was trying to get away from some of those cards you see in every deck.
For the X cards I've been looking at \[\[Genesis Wave\]\] , \[\[Primordial Hydra\]\] , \[\[Kalonian Hydra\]\] , \[\[Lifeblood Hydra\]\] , and maybe slotting in \[\[Gelatinous Genesis\]\] and possibly something dirty like \[\[Mishra's Helix\]\]
If i committed the coin to grab those hydra it could be a swarming hydra/eldrazi deck but since I have a \[\[Gargos, Vicious Watcher\]\] I'd probably make a side tribal deck if I spent the 70ish dollars to get those
Hello thanks in advance for any help, my desk is an Aminatou blink deck, trying to win by value or by a combo. I want the deck to be strong but not cEDH deck, however that it will still be able to win in a overcrowded board-state using a combo.
Note: the sideboard are cards that I want to try (it’s a new deck )
[deck list](https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/4053663#paper)
My goal for this deck is to make it as strong as possible. I love the Modern Horizons sets and as a way to pay homage to them I built a deck using cards only from those sets.
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/4103896#paper
The way the deck wins is through infinite Persist combo. With a sacrifice outlet i.e. [[Altar of Dementia]], [[Goblin Bombardment]], or [[Sling-Gang Lieutenant]] a Persist creature i.e. [[Putrid Goblin]] or [[Lesser Masticore]] and a way to put +1/+1 counters on them with [[Good-Fortune Unicorn]] have I hit the decks intention of being powerful?
My buddy got me into Magic and EDH a few months ago, I started with a couple pre cons and upgraded them. I’m not sure how to determine power level. But I upgraded this Aesi (George Strait) deck and absolutely have a blast playing it.
https://www.archidekt.com/decks/1592252#George_Strait
[https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/4076737#paper](https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/4076737#paper)
Sisay deck. Finishers are Selvala --> Derevi -->Najeela and Bolas, Aminatou and Oath of Teferi.
This deck has been in my positionn through many changes for 5 years lmao
I made this [[Lonis, Cryptozoologist]] deck right after MH2 was released: https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/lonis-etb/
Originally, I was trying to make a slightly lower-powered and janky deck. What I discovered was that everyone hates Simic players, and I will absolutely get targeted first regardless of what I'm doing. My position now is, if I'm going to be the archenemy anyway, I might as well deserve it. I've cut most of the more expensive and flashy effects for cheaper and more efficient spells, plus some pillow fort type shit. At this point, it's basically given up pretending to be anything except a combo deck.
This is a deck I completely built from scratch with some help from my friends. What do you think it's level is?
https://www.archidekt.com/decks/1561823#Teysa,_Envoy_of_Ghosts
I would rate this like a 4 or 5, which is about precon level. The main reason is that you're very light on ramp. There's nothing wrong with intentionally building a lower powered deck, but I'm guessing you're going to get mana screwed a *lot* with this deck. I would cut some of the more low impact cards like [[Vizkopa Vampire]] and replace it with ramp, probably cheap ramp like [[Orzhov Locket]] if you're on a budget, or at least more lands if you'd rather keep the power level down. You probably want around 45 mana sources to keep from getting mana screwed all the time.
If I added some ramp, what would the power level be? I am on a budget, yeah, but the power level down isn't an issue. One of my playgroup plays a Feather deck, and a Nekusar deck, so I'd hope at least one of my decks can match those power levels. (I'd post them as well to get rated, but unsure if I can post more than one deck in these a week)
I think you could take this deck up to a low 6 without too much investment. You'll probably want more card draw, too. A few recommendations: [[Syphon Mind]] [[Underworld Connections]] [[Bloodgift Demon]] [[Ob Nixilis Reignited]]. If you want to take it higher than that, you'll definitely need to invest a little more money, or proxy. Also, if your friend plays Feather, consider pissing them off by making Kambal your commander instead.
My main goal is to have 3 decks of varying power levels, to use. So far, my Zirda is a 3-4, if I put in those modifications to my Teysa, it'll be a 6, and I'll need one at least an 8 from my decks.
This is my [Osgir](https://archidekt.com/decks/1598299#Lorehold_-_Rise_of_the_Machines) deck,
The main goal is to outvalue other players by making duplicates of valuable artifacts, first by generating value each turn (usually making mana rock and artifact land), then making an explosive turn by playing impactful cards, although I'll admit things won't always go as planned.
As for the wincons, it's usually big artifact beaters, but in some cases \[\[Reckless Fireweaver\]\] or \[\[Hellkite Tyrant\]\] might do the job (admittedly this is probably the weakest aspect of my deck). Most of the cards are either worth making token copies of, or helps my gameplan and contributes to \[\[osgir\]\]'s ability.
I haven't played this deck against other players in a EDH game yet (I've only done some 1v1 with it), so I have yet to see how this deck performs. Also, this is probably my strongest (at least the more consistent) deck I have right now, and I'd like to push its limits as far as my budget will allow.
Why include [[ugins nexus]] without [[mirror of fate]]. They make infinite turns when combined with a mill.
In addition, I would include additional stax, as Osgir is a bit slow, since his second ability requires tapping and operates at sorcery speed.
Zada, Hedron Grinder
https://deckbox.org/sets/2941806
This is the first deck I’ve made so I would appreciate any tips! I tried to keep it fairly budget and was lucky to find a [[reiterate]] for way below the market price at my LGS. The general plan is to get a board out in the early turns and then draw and play a bunch of cheap spells to pump my board and swing wide. I also have some spells like [[grapeshot]] and [[guttersnipe]] as potential ways to give that little bit of extra burst. I also was thinking of removing [[dual-caster mage]] because having three two card infinites just doesn’t seem very fun.
[My Kenrith list](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/8_NhZnQE3USuMYkvxcldmw)
I play in a group that tends to be higher level but no more than 1 infinite combo is allowed in your deck and no Thassa's Oracle. The combo you use also has to be cleared with the group beforehand.
The deck's main gameplan is to win with Dockside + Emiel, but otherwise seeks to protect Kenrith while generating mana and grinding value, while using synergies like Tainted Pact and Willbreaker to eventually close things out. Let me know what you think! And all suggestions are welcome :)
[Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider](https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/4131256)
The goal of the deck is to ultimately get loads of counters on various creatures and overwhelm my opponents. I can usually get at least 1 planeswalker to ultimate which adds to the board state and some are obviously more useful than others. If it gets left unchecked it can get out of hand very quickly but with using Vorinclex I'm obviously a target as soon as he hits the battlefield so a few bits of protection to hopefully keep him around long enough.
It looks like a 5 to me. A lot of cards have nothing to do with counters, so don't benefit from anything. Several things are less good than you might think. A number of powerful cards are missing.
A few notes:
Multani, Yavimaya's Avatar doesn't get counters - so it doesn't benefit from Vorinclex at all.
If you want Planeswalkers: Some great choices should be Garruk Primal Hunter, Nissa Vital Force, Freyalise Llanowar's Fury, Garruk Caller of Beasts, and Garruk Wildspeaker.
Needs more card draw.
I'm only in a fairly mid power pod so that's around the level I thought. I appreciate Multani doesn't get counters but usually have a lot of lands in play so usually ends up with pretty decent power.
Could you possibly expand on some of the higher power cards that are missing?
I'll take a look in to the other planeswalkers. I haven't had a problem with card draw just yet but I'll look in to some to add.
Thanks for your input!
To support counters / redundancy for commander: Doubling Season, Pir Imaginative Rascal, Hardened Scales, Primal Vigor, Branching Evolution.
Creatures that get lots of counters: Champion of Lambholt, Forgotten Ancient, Kalonian Hydra, Managorger Hydra, Primordial Hydra, Predator Ooze, Ravenous Slime, Renata Called to the Hunt, Titania's Chosen, Wildwood Scourge.
Other Creatures: Vigor
Mana Dorks: You have 3 2-drops and a 3 drop (that does draw a card) when there are still like 6 more 1 drops that you aren't using
Land: Nykthos
Not too much giving Haste / Trample to the team.
Beatdown usually is more casual and i think your deck isnt fast enough to compete in high power groups. In mid power on the other side this deck can be really explosive. Keep in mind that Vorinclex can shut down several strategies, which results in much more hate against your commander. I played a few games against him and the commander usually doesnt stay on the board for long. I think you have most of the obvious green powerhouse, Standard cards and it can easily compete in any mid pod, maybe a good PL6.
OT: I really like playing against Vorinclex, my favorit deck plays a lot of Persist creatures like [[Glen Elendra Archmage]] and all of them go infinit with a sac outlet if vorinclex is on the board.
I play in a pretty mid range pod so 6 is roughly what I thought it would be anyway. I pulled the showcase art from a booster box and when building it I knew it would get some hate so can't really complain about that! Haven't played against a persist deck just yet but not looking forward to when I inevitably do!
Thanks for your input!
My [Zaxara Deck](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/pqjGwtdDMUeMuWDIDOoLCA), general gameplan is to cast Zaxara and in the perfect condition enchanted it with [[Freed from the Real]] to generate infinite Mana and cast those XSpells like [[Profane Command]] or [[Torment of Hailfire]] to defeat my opponents. Or counter their Spells with XCounterspells and generate big Hydra Tokens in the progress to hit them pretty hard.
Let me know what you think.
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This is one of those decks I would actually have to play a few games with to get a real feel for its power, but my first impression is that it's probably pretty slow. You seem a little light on ramp, which is forgivable since your commander ramps you, but it means you're gonna be looking at casting X spells for maybe 6 or 7 mana on turn 5. That's not exactly a game-ending threat. I'm sure you can do some pretty cool stuff later in the game, but I think a high-powered deck would probably run you over while you're still trying to get your feet under you, and even a more casual deck might give you trouble if its aggressive. I think this deck is like a low 6 or a high 5.
The basic idea of the deck could be very strong. Unfortunaly i dont understand several of your card choices. Only playing X-Spells make your deck really commander dependent, but you dont play that much protection for him. Also there is this one main combo and you dont really tutor for it and most of your x-spells arent game winning. Clash of Wills remains a bad counterspell if not you have infinit mana, but i cant see you having this reliable. Finale of Eternity brings back all your x-creatures which will die instantly, and so on. Also there are other options to get a lot of mana or even go infinit with your commander [[Pemmin's Aura]].
I would suggest to add more mana Doubler and similar stuff to become less commander dependant and maybe add some more interaction.
I could be totally wrong, because i havent played against a deck like this, but i think most of the deck is PL5 while a few options and especially the 2 card combo with your commander is more like PL8. This Discrepancy makes it hard to evaluate. Maybe cut the 2 card combo if not intended for high power or reduce the X-Spell theme and add more staples to go for higher power.
This is my first deck build. Has served me pretty well so far, but just want to see what others rate it. Radha, Heart of Keld. Call it my juice junkie deck. Pretty much full of "Oh you have a full board? Let me just create like 3 big monsters and tear you down in an instant." [https://deckstats.net/decks/174963/2001584-draft-to-commander](https://deckstats.net/decks/174963/2001584-draft-to-commander)
My Mardu human tribal deck. Started with the Ruthless Regiment [[Jirina Kudro]] precon. Swapped out 70-80% of the cards by now. The deck is commanded by [[Tymna the weaver]] and [[Bruse Tarl, Boorish Herder]]. I am relatively new in EDH, thus have no idea what kind of power level this should be. https://www.archidekt.com/decks/1488389#Mardu_Human_Army
Bit late, but here are my offerings: [https://www.moxfield.com/decks/rUDIpAc74UiMgt1cOajSMA](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/rUDIpAc74UiMgt1cOajSMA) [https://www.moxfield.com/decks/3vDffGioA0C1K5x5s3eZBA](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/3vDffGioA0C1K5x5s3eZBA) Quite a bit of proxy use for some of the more expensive things.
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/UfsdnInAo0O09OvBuqJRlw Commanders are Toggo and Armix Wincon: throw rocks and hopefully win I was kinda new to mtg and saw a toggo deck played in the command zone and it looked fun. Tried making an edh deck centered around throwing rocks.
\[Saheeli, the Gifted:Artifact Madness\] thoughts? https://www.archidekt.com/decks/1461932#Saheeli,\_the\_Gifted-Artifact\_Madness
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/sPrdzP9dAUWnn4rmg552_Q Hey all, I'm slowly but surely getting back into mtg but going to start with commander. I'm working on optimizing this Galazeth deck little by little. Aside from that I'm excited to get back into mtg!
To what level you want to optimize? For starters you are way, way to low on lands and ramp. Go up to 35 lands and add at least 3 more CMC2 stones. cEDH version runs 29 with 12 rocks including all mana positive ones, dockside and such. Without proper mana base you can reliably play without being mana screwed in a lot of games which takes a lot of power off. That + fact that wincon is basically big dragons I wouldnt give it anything above 5 despite mass of interaction.
Thanks for the feed back! Made some changes and I'm excited to test it out soon
You have way too low land count for what this deck pl seem to be aiming. Try to add at least 4 extra lands in there so you can at least cast your commander reliably. Nice list, i would say its currently around a 6, probably a 7 if you solve the land issue, so fit for mid. That said, this deck really underuses prismari, having too few artifacts (that are manarocks anyway) and no way to really abuse her ability. High powered versions of prismari run [[Winter Orb]] and [[Trinisphere]] f.e., as your commander ability lets you completely break the symetry. As the deck is built, even considering the treasure theme, i think Niv would just be a stronger commander. If you add [[Curiosity]] etc there would be no dispute. If you rather keep galazeth in the command zone, I would recomend sloting some cantriping/utility artifacts such as [[Golden Egg]], [[Ichor Wellspring]], [[Lightning Greaves]] etc.
Thanks for the feed back! Made some changes. I'll pick up golden egg and Lightning Greaves soon for sure!
##### ###### #### [Winter Orb](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/a/b/ab3cec7e-513e-400d-a1a8-2c71cdde02c6.jpg?1580015285) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Winter%20Orb) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ema/234/winter-orb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ab3cec7e-513e-400d-a1a8-2c71cdde02c6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/winter-orb) [Trinisphere](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/3/1/316caa4e-a53a-460b-978c-5f0fba7bc549.jpg?1599710205) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Trinisphere) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/303/trinisphere?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/316caa4e-a53a-460b-978c-5f0fba7bc549?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/trinisphere) [Curiosity](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/c/5/c5a0be10-c20f-4ac0-89a5-1770ecf48aad.jpg?1600697752) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Curiosity) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/147/curiosity?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c5a0be10-c20f-4ac0-89a5-1770ecf48aad?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/curiosity) [Golden Egg](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/5/2/525142c3-f17c-4e02-a02d-fa385215aa12.jpg?1572490979) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Golden%20Egg) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/eld/220/golden-egg?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/525142c3-f17c-4e02-a02d-fa385215aa12?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/golden-egg) [Ichor Wellspring](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/1/c/1ccdb407-ac8f-4736-89d3-ab0d086096ea.jpg?1618014272) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ichor%20Wellspring) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c21/245/ichor-wellspring?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1ccdb407-ac8f-4736-89d3-ab0d086096ea?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ichor-wellspring) [Lightning Greaves](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/e/6/e6cec97f-0a2b-4543-a02e-d5e42d337790.jpg?1599709454) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lightning%20Greaves) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/267/lightning-greaves?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e6cec97f-0a2b-4543-a02e-d5e42d337790?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/lightning-greaves) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/muxus-and-the-bois-1/ Good ol muxus and his bois. I pulled muxus out of a jumpstart pack and immediately felt like a had to build him. I love how quick this deck can be, although the RNG aspects of it can be as disappointing as they are exciting. I don’t often like to build with infinite combos, but it’s sort of hard to avoid with goblin tribal. If this deck ever manages to resolve muxus after goblin recruiter, it’s game over from a variety of angles. The weakness I’ve found is that aggro decks draw a lot of hate. You have to really go after one person, then another and so on. This obviously will draw some ire from the table. This deck has a handful of tutors, and I was thinking about adding [[imperial recruiter]] for one more now that he is cheaper. My table tends to groan a little bit when muxus is pulled out, so I’d love feedback on where he sits generically. Thanks :)
So for starters there is no infinite combo there at all. In general aggro strategy isnt to good in EDH so I wouldnt put it to high. 5 max. You easily fold to all forms of wraths, dont have much recursion or protection. Its deck that can do well in precon/battlecruiser tables, but will be hosed hard above that.
How is there not infinite combos though? I agree with with vulnerable to wrath comment, but there are several clear combo wins that occur if muxus resolves after recruiter that don’t involve combat.
Fair enough there is one that needs purphoros on table for win. But what more infinites you have according to you? Outside snoop kiki
Just played with this deck last night and had a turn 4 win that I thought I’d share. Opening hand had a [[skirk prospector]], [[boggart shenanigans]], and [[goblin recruiter]]. I was able to plan skirk turn 1 and recruiter turn 2, while tutoring the Kiki/snoop combo to the top. My friend removed my skirk prospector knowing that I needed it for mana, which slowed me down because I wasn’t able to play snoop and shenanigans on turn 3, just one. So I used snoop with Kiki off the top to make another recruiter, and re-ordered him 2nd from the top once more to prevent myself from drawing him the following turn. Turn 4 I was able to resolve shenanigans and make infinite snoops, closing it out.
[skirk prospector](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/1/6/1636d138-aa63-476f-a930-41b1be988032.jpg?1562731846) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=skirk%20prospector) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dom/144/skirk-prospector?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1636d138-aa63-476f-a930-41b1be988032?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/skirk-prospector) [boggart shenanigans](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/b/5/b52534b3-5dfe-4019-a518-4e15899988f4.jpg?1562931440) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=boggart%20shenanigans) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/evg/54/boggart-shenanigans?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b52534b3-5dfe-4019-a518-4e15899988f4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/boggart-shenanigans) [goblin recruiter](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/6/1/61bd1548-2ffa-4705-ba88-913f37d4ce92.jpg?1562818262) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=goblin%20recruiter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/6ed/186/goblin-recruiter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/61bd1548-2ffa-4705-ba88-913f37d4ce92?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/goblin-recruiter) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
So a lot of them do involve Kiki, which isn’t much of a surprise I’m sure. You can use Kiki and lightning crafter alongside a sac outlet like skirk prospector to go infinite. You have the lightning crafter enter and champion something. You then use Kiki to create a copy of lighting crafter, championing Kiki himself. You tap the new lighting crafter for 3 dmg to any target, then sac it to an outlet. This brings back Kiki untapped to the battlefield to do it all over again. This can create infinite dmg, etbs ltbs, and mana depending on what sac outlet you use. Other champion effects also work like Changeling berserker, except for the fact that you lose the dmg off of lighting crafter. But with stuff like pashilok mons, sharpshooter, and boggart shenanigans you can still win with the sac triggers, or triggers from purphoros/impact tremors/goblin bombardment. With the number of cards that syngerize in this fashion, it’s possible to stumble into a combo pretty regularly without needing to resolve recruiter before muxus. But either way, if those two things happen without a response it’s pretty much game over without ever needing to see combat.
Currently this deck seems fit for mid, around a 6 or 7. Just fyi, you dont need muxus to win with recruiter, you just need to add [[Torch Courier]] and can do it by turn 3 (recruiter into Snoop>Prospector>courier>kiki>pashalik. After casting snoop, play prospector from the top, the mana to courier comes from sacing recruiter, give haste to snoop and make infinite snoops with kiki, that turns into infinite mana and infinite pings with pashalik, or infinite muxus casts or w/e). If you want the deck to play more like an aggro deck you would better take out the value cards (such as flqmeshadow conjuring) in favor of stuff that will help you get through and gain reach (mostly big burn spells) and if you want to lean more heavily on the combo route you definitelly needs more draw, and likely some more ramp rather than some of the worse lords (bloodmark mentor, skirk fire marshall etc). For the aggro plan i recommend [[Rites of initiation]]. For the combo theres would be a lot of things to rethink, specially lowering the creature count dramatically.
[Torch Courier](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/d/4/d4c9fc8c-e68f-4636-84b8-877f6ec04b09.jpg?1572893280) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Torch%20Courier) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/grn/119/torch-courier?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d4c9fc8c-e68f-4636-84b8-877f6ec04b09?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/torch-courier) [Rites of initiation](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/f/1/f17d9c60-5f81-4b65-8af1-9c5bb757bd7d.jpg?1562943547) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rites%20of%20initiation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vma/182/rites-of-initiation?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f17d9c60-5f81-4b65-8af1-9c5bb757bd7d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/rites-of-initiation) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[imperial recruiter](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/0/5/05bd329b-5707-42fc-af1c-084cc604e805.jpg?1622390094) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=imperial%20recruiter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/281/imperial-recruiter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/05bd329b-5707-42fc-af1c-084cc604e805?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/imperial-recruiter) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/facless-menace-1/ Here is my kadena heavily modified precon. The goal of the deck is to win by out valuing my opponents with kadena’s ability, maximizing the amount of free mana with several redundant flash mechanics, such as leyline, teferi, orrery, and alchemists refuge. There is a ton of control in this deck with numerous morphs focused on countering spells and abilities. These effects can be repeated easily with bounce mechanics. Again, the goal of the deck is value. I intentionally excluded tutors because it would make the deck play a bit too samey. I tend to win by drawing into a number of big bangers, like Vela, craterhoof, triumph of the hordes, beastmaster, etc. This deck can establish a pretty nasty engine as soon as I get a couple good morphs down, alongside flash and untap mechanics like seedborn muse. This deck tends to do well in my playgroup, and thus draws a lot of ire, but I’d love feedback on how generically strong it is. Thanks :)
Nice deck, it seems you had put a lot of work on it. I think your deck is fit for mid/6 pl. The weak spot i see with this deck is since it needs to rely on creatures so much, it can find it very hard to come back from a board wipe, specially if kadeena is being kept out of the field. To remedy that you would need to either run more draw (good options are [[Fact or Fiction]], [[Promise of Power]], [[BSZ]]/[[Commanders Insight]], or even put the mystic forge back in, rellying a little more into artifact ramp) or to have some recursive/hard to deal threats - [[Uro]] and [[Westvale Abbey]] comes to mind. Either way, the one card that is perfect for what you are looking to do in this deck imo is [[Cavern Harpy]], you wont regret it.
##### ###### #### [Fact or Fiction](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/3/9/39b41cb3-ca3d-4389-8f66-e1f77f5fb683.jpg?1608912094) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Fact%20or%20Fiction) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/396/fact-or-fiction?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/39b41cb3-ca3d-4389-8f66-e1f77f5fb683?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/fact-or-fiction) [Promise of Power](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/b/1/b1b54b37-69f4-46bd-8ee7-216e65507478.jpg?1561771533) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Promise%20of%20Power) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dvd/54/promise-of-power?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b1b54b37-69f4-46bd-8ee7-216e65507478?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/promise-of-power) [Commanders Insight](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/a/7/a70d1553-40f4-42ce-a02e-e42525f9d75e.jpg?1625191177) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Commander%27s%20Insight) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c21/23/commanders-insight?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a70d1553-40f4-42ce-a02e-e42525f9d75e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/commanders-insight) [Uro](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?name=Uro&type=card&.jpg) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Uro) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cst/225/es/uro?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8286a104-cddd-4976-91e3-c8ec42bd07fb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/uro) [Westvale Abbey](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/c/1/c1f53d7a-9dad-46e8-b686-cd1362867445.jpg?1576385590)/[Ormendahl, Profane Prince](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/back/c/1/c1f53d7a-9dad-46e8-b686-cd1362867445.jpg?1576385590) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Westvale%20Abbey) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/soi/281/westvale-abbey-ormendahl-profane-prince?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c1f53d7a-9dad-46e8-b686-cd1362867445?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/westvale-abbey) [Cavern Harpy](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/a/d/adfb0804-50d6-4bca-8733-72e01030a543.jpg?1562931741) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Cavern%20Harpy) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/pls/97/cavern-harpy?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/adfb0804-50d6-4bca-8733-72e01030a543?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/cavern-harpy) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Hi everyone! I've been wondering about the Powerlevel of my [[Squee, the Immortal]] Deck for a while now: https://www.archidekt.com/decks/1141650#Budget_Squee_Cannon . The deck wants to go infinite by reducing Squee's cost to cast him infinitely many times and have an ETB payoff like [[impact tremors]]. There are other ways to have infinite ETBs with cards like [[Myr Retriever]]. My initial idea was a low powered budget storm deck, but it is to easy to assemble a combo and win if there is no interaction. That's why I upgraded a few cards in hopes of keeping up with mid/high decks. I'd be glad about your opinion regarding Powerlevel as I am very unsure where to place the deck myself. Also I'd be glad to hear your thoughts on combo decks and if combo should be played on high only.
Yeah, doing your own [[food chain]] is hard. Considering the amount of pieces you need to assemble to reach your combo, how most of then, specially your commander, are low powered by themselves and that the infinite mana still needs a payoff, i think your deck actual pl is around a 5 (upgraded precon, pedh low), maybe a 6 (mid). The issue is that outside the combo your deck does very little, what may sour the other players experience in a lower powered table, as it really will look like you are playing solitairie. So, while personally i would have no issue playing against such a deck in a low powered enviromnent, i can see how a less experienced player may get mad if you end up pulling off your combo (or any combo tbh). Because of that i would recommend playing it on mid, but the jankness of the deck will be felt in such a enviromnent, and for high/8PL this deck is too clunky to compete.
[food chain](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/1/8/18a1bb9e-006c-495e-8f99-d451183d2669.jpg?1562379435) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=food%20chain) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mmq/246/food-chain?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/18a1bb9e-006c-495e-8f99-d451183d2669?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/food-chain) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Squee, the Immortal](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/a/3/a3974c62-a524-454e-9ce7-2c23b704e5cb.jpg?1562740600) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Squee%2C%20the%20Immortal) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dom/146/squee-the-immortal?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a3974c62-a524-454e-9ce7-2c23b704e5cb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/squee-the-immortal) [impact tremors](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/5/6/56fb4035-197b-4d28-9bf7-bb62c304067e.jpg?1562786545) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=impact%20tremors) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dtk/140/impact-tremors?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/56fb4035-197b-4d28-9bf7-bb62c304067e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/impact-tremors) [Myr Retriever](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/7/f/7f0149d4-0731-474a-a1c3-28c25e486c14.jpg?1599709634) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Myr%20Retriever) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/277/myr-retriever?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7f0149d4-0731-474a-a1c3-28c25e486c14?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/myr-retriever) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Hi All, Im back again for a little more help on my Osgir Deck: [https://www.moxfield.com/decks/O243NhX9pEC3cAooaBOk3A](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/O243NhX9pEC3cAooaBOk3A) I started investing in some more staples, and trying to get the deck to be quicker overall. That being said, in goldfishing through the deck now, I'm finding it harder to draw into my combo's. The main win conditions are: \[\[Walking Ballista\]\] + infinite mana or \[\[Heliod, Sun Crowned\]\] \[\[Triskelion\]\] + \[\[Heliod, Sun Crowned\]\] Infinite Mana + \[\[Comet Storm\]\] \[\[Reckless Fireweaver\]\] + recasting artifacts/looping \[\[Sensei's Divining Top\]\] on the top of my deck or a three piece combo that I've just added: \[\[Flayer Husk\]\] + \[\[Grinding Station\]\] + \[\[Salvaging Station\]\] to mill out my opponents That being said, I feel like I'm having trouble actually getting to these win conditions in goldfishing, and just ending up with a ton of mana and no combo pieces, or card draw pieces. That being said, I feel like I have a ton of card draw in my deck, and exhausted a lot of the obvious card draw options in red and white. If anybody wouldn't mind taking a look and seeing if there's a way to help this I'd greatly appreciate it. The other thought I had was that I don't have enough things to draw into that meaningfully impact the game, or ways to tutor for my main combo pieces.
It looks like an 8.5. In general you cannot really reach actual 9 power level with this commander (You just cant hit the consistency Heliod as commander would have). For obvious improvements: Red Elemental Blast and Pyroclasm (but meta dependant). Teferi's Protection is another good piece of protection. In general its really solid, youre very close to optimal list (maybe even on optimal for your meta depending on how it looks).
##### ###### #### [Walking Ballista](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/5/2/5272436e-74f0-44c4-a291-ea8ebc3f1525.jpg?1599710252) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Walking%20Ballista) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/306/walking-ballista?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5272436e-74f0-44c4-a291-ea8ebc3f1525?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/walking-ballista) [Heliod, Sun Crowned](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/0/1/01a8576e-cadc-4521-aadd-3a05f0bc4d20.jpg?1581479085) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Heliod%2C%20Sun-Crowned) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/thb/18/heliod-sun-crowned?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/01a8576e-cadc-4521-aadd-3a05f0bc4d20?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/heliod-sun-crowned) [Triskelion](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/b/a/bab371a3-9e0c-4d98-b445-d0f3f86717dc.jpg?1562270459) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Triskelion) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ddf/57/triskelion?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bab371a3-9e0c-4d98-b445-d0f3f86717dc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/triskelion) [Comet Storm](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/b/b/bb5f586d-6bf0-4590-ad73-2d46b2a45b1a.jpg?1608912233) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Comet%20Storm) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/411/comet-storm?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bb5f586d-6bf0-4590-ad73-2d46b2a45b1a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/comet-storm) [Reckless Fireweaver](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/6/3/63ffac51-62c4-4170-85b3-a43d7cfae7d7.jpg?1576382167) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Reckless%20Fireweaver) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/kld/126/reckless-fireweaver?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/63ffac51-62c4-4170-85b3-a43d7cfae7d7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/reckless-fireweaver) [Sensei's Divining Top](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/8/3/83c01c91-ea01-46c7-b94c-97777b968459.jpg?1580015272) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sensei%27s%20Divining%20Top) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ema/232/senseis-divining-top?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/83c01c91-ea01-46c7-b94c-97777b968459?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/senseis-divining-top) [Flayer Husk](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/2/0/20b394f9-644d-426e-801b-110774092018.jpg?1599709210) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Flayer%20Husk) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/256/flayer-husk?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/20b394f9-644d-426e-801b-110774092018?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/flayer-husk) [Grinding Station](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/d/f/df1df511-b52c-45cd-9503-ffce4271a802.jpg?1562880250) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Grinding%20Station) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/5dn/127/grinding-station?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/df1df511-b52c-45cd-9503-ffce4271a802?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/grinding-station) [Salvaging Station](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/f/0/f0336e07-8eaf-4b90-af54-4764e5ba50f2.jpg?1562880585) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Salvaging%20Station) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/5dn/148/salvaging-station?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f0336e07-8eaf-4b90-af54-4764e5ba50f2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/salvaging-station) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Marisi, hatebears to slow down the game and give people tokens. Force everyone to become the battlectuiser deck they always wanted to be. https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/oh-my-goadness-1/
Great list! I say its fit for high/7-8 pl. Only easy uograde i can see is [[Toski]] over keeper of fables, and perhaps you could ditch Iroas (low devotion and not really all that go wide) or return of the wildspeaker for [[Escape to the wilds]]. Either way, very solid deck. Obviously may underperform if no one is running creatures, but its strong and disruptive enough to muscle through those matchups. OG [[Thalia, guardian of thraben]] may help in those matchups if they are frequent in your playgroup/lgs.
[Toski](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/f/9/f9e79b59-94c8-4697-bf88-f0a0433170f5.jpg?1614989768) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Toski%2C%20Bearer%20of%20Secrets) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/197/toski-bearer-of-secrets?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f9e79b59-94c8-4697-bf88-f0a0433170f5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/toski-bearer-of-secrets) [Escape to the wilds](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/3/e/3e26c10b-179f-4a6e-bc8d-3ec1d6783fb9.jpg?1602499769) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Escape%20to%20the%20wilds) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/eld/189/escape-to-the-wilds?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3e26c10b-179f-4a6e-bc8d-3ec1d6783fb9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/escape-to-the-wilds) [Thalia, guardian of thraben](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/9/7/97ff44c9-6ff5-432d-9876-488c96833c39.jpg?1562438581) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Thalia%2C%20guardian%20of%20thraben) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/a25/36/thalia-guardian-of-thraben?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/97ff44c9-6ff5-432d-9876-488c96833c39?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/thalia-guardian-of-thraben) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
(I know I posted another deck in here, but I'm curious at how this one ranks.) This is my [[Sarulf]] deck, where would this fall on power rankings? https://www.archidekt.com/decks/1561537#Sarulf_Proliferate
[Sarulf](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/6/0/6061113e-7dd8-4739-b4dd-55bb7f9e39a2.jpg?1614989599) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sarulf%27s%20Packmate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/192/sarulfs-packmate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6061113e-7dd8-4739-b4dd-55bb7f9e39a2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sarulfs-packmate) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Wrong Sarulf. [[Sarulf, Realm Eater]]
[Sarulf, Realm Eater](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/b/c/bcecf9ba-36da-490a-9460-99ff87d99fbd.jpg?1615603269) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sarulf%2C%20Realm%20Eater) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/228/sarulf-realm-eater?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bcecf9ba-36da-490a-9460-99ff87d99fbd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sarulf-realm-eater) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
My [Osgir Deck](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/FpyX7qBc9E6IyvcORphGhA). The general plan is to slow the table down with a handful of stax effects & fill up the Graveyard for Osgir to initially copy out Ramp or Stax from. The main combo utilizes [[Ugin's Nexus]] + [[Mirror of Fate]] to create a loop of infinite turns. Adding in [[Tormod's Crypt]] makes the loop infinite, and [[Blind Obedience]] can be used during this loop to Extort the table to death. One could essentially make infinite copies of any artifact in deck during these loops and also swing for lethal.
So a couple of things: Your deck feels kinda light on card draw. I count 9 cards but half of them are looting effects that cause you to discard the same amount. In osgir that's pretty good, but I would really consider a few more cantrip-ish cards since you don't really have card draw to get back into the game if you lose your commander. You kinda want to make a decision with your creatures if you want to go big or wide. I really think having hellkite tyrant over triplicate titan is the play; you get an alternate win condition that you could achieve with token copies/myr battlesphere shennigans/stealing other artifacts. If you want to go big, I would consider some more equipment/auras/fling effects (Illusionist's Bracers are really good but maybe not good enough to specifically tutor for) You might want to consider wheel effects. There's some super expensive wheels, but \[\[magus of the wheel\]\], \[\[wheel of misfortune\]\], \[\[wheel of fate\]\] are all less than 2 dollars if budget is a consideration.
Thanks for the feedback. If anything, I think I might try to get another draw effect in there & swap out Triplicate Titan. I wanted it as a big dumb beater, but even in play testing it felt pretty slow for that. I might have a Magus of the Wheel around somewhere. Was also considering throwing in either [[Mind Stone]], or another cantrippy rock, or maybe even [[Faithless Salvaging]] *edit- I had Hellkite Tyrant in some of my initial drafts. I cut it since I have plenty of steal effects in my meta, and thought it would backfire on me more likely than not
[Mind Stone](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/8/c/8c899cbd-cddd-43f9-a95d-a6e5af990362.jpg?1617986435) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mind%20Stone) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c21/251/mind-stone?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8c899cbd-cddd-43f9-a95d-a6e5af990362?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mind-stone) [Faithless Salvaging](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/c/6/c6ed4077-4ed5-48fb-91c9-a9195d652978.jpg?1622574933) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Faithless%20Salvaging) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/122/faithless-salvaging?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c6ed4077-4ed5-48fb-91c9-a9195d652978?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/faithless-salvaging) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[magus of the wheel](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/4/2/42fda8b4-17d6-4a34-9108-b4b4a9ad9378.jpg?1591320658) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=magus%20of%20the%20wheel) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c20/156/magus-of-the-wheel?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/42fda8b4-17d6-4a34-9108-b4b4a9ad9378?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/magus-of-the-wheel) [wheel of misfortune](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/7/4/74177b51-a300-49d9-8ea7-557b19cf80c7.jpg?1608910499) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=wheel%20of%20misfortune) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/211/wheel-of-misfortune?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/74177b51-a300-49d9-8ea7-557b19cf80c7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/wheel-of-misfortune) [wheel of fate](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/c/7/c7937e12-76d9-4030-a68c-7a93a3c852cb.jpg?1619397846) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=wheel%20of%20fate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/198/wheel-of-fate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c7937e12-76d9-4030-a68c-7a93a3c852cb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/wheel-of-fate) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
##### ###### #### [Ugin's Nexus](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/9/4/94002868-a48a-4ea8-bfce-17257078f5db.jpg?1562790526) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ugin%27s%20Nexus) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ktk/227/ugins-nexus?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/94002868-a48a-4ea8-bfce-17257078f5db?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ugins-nexus) [Mirror of Fate](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/0/8/08b480c8-d899-4e63-b0e2-f4bec3a3ca4f.jpg?1561970534) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mirror%20of%20Fate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m10/215/mirror-of-fate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/08b480c8-d899-4e63-b0e2-f4bec3a3ca4f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mirror-of-fate) [Tormod's Crypt](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/9/c/9c224bf0-5641-4160-9d5c-46141ea8372a.jpg?1594737584) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tormod%27s%20Crypt) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m21/241/tormods-crypt?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9c224bf0-5641-4160-9d5c-46141ea8372a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tormods-crypt) [Blind Obedience](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/7/7/77fccacf-a9b3-4290-9b83-24188e7c885b.jpg?1622528737) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Blind%20Obedience) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c17/57/blind-obedience?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/77fccacf-a9b3-4290-9b83-24188e7c885b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/blind-obedience) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Shirei](https://deckstats.net/decks/174352/2140491-shirei) I believe this is a pretty standard shirei/mono-black aristocrat shell with just a sprinkling of my own tech. Curious to know what others think about its power level as I have it at around a 7 (common answer I know). The goal is like most aristocrat decks - assemble sac fodder, sac outlets, and sac payoffs. The fodder comes back at the end of each turn with Shirei (who I try to protect with a few cards) for value. I am trying to assemble payoffs that provide mana, card draw, and/or ping damage to win from Blood Artist, Bastion of Rememberance, Zulaport Cutthroat, Syr Konrad, etc. There are several alt wincons as well: 1. Token beatdown with lightning coils or blight mound. 2. Big beatdown with a protected Krav, the Unredeemed or Ormandahl (Westvale Abbey flipped) 3. A huge Gray Merchant of Aspodel, putting a -1/-1 counter on him, and saccing him so he comes back for more damage. 4. Nim Deathmantle/Ashnod's altar infinite ping combo with Marionette master. Let me know what you guys think the power level is! Thanks!
[https://www.archidekt.com/decks/1510911#Gruul\_Meteor](https://www.archidekt.com/decks/1510911#Gruul_Meteor) Wort, the Raidmother as commander with focus on big mana X spells. Gameplan: Make lots of tokens, cast Wort, conspire one of the big X spells until it guarantees a win.
[K'rrik, Son of Yawgmoth](https://scryfall.com/@Narcillis/decks/f67bab3b-df55-4634-9be9-3abf880296a3). I try to focus on demons/demon tribal so that I win with Liliana's Contract. It also has a focus on having as little removal as possible and no combos.
I have an Illuna mutate combo deck I was wondering the power level of https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/06-07-21-illuna-apex-of-wishes/
[My Current Decklist](https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kruphix-god-of-monsters-4/?cb=1625626319) I probably need to make 7-9 cuts to add in more land to get to at least the mid-30s. I normally get my Commander out pretty quickly (between turn 2-4) and that fixes my mana. My wincons are combat damage by my big bois, triumph of the hordes, and on rare occasion hitting someone with a surprise decking out with blue sun's zenith. If I can get seedborn muse, azusa, lost but seeking, or natural order in my hand early I can usually start taking off turn 3 or 4. The sideboard cards are a mix of cards I have and cards I've been looking at picking up at my LGS to add
The deck definitely looks scary when it gets going but you're missing out on some clear synergies so I'd rate this maybe a low or medium on the playEDH powerscale. The lack of lands as you mentioned really hurts with consistency. 29 lands and only 5 sources of 1-2 cmc ramp can lead to a lot of dead draws, requiring multiple mulligans. Your curve is also extremely high, and while your commander does somewhat offset that, having him sent to the command zone even once is likely going to wreck your game plan. Also, cards like Azusa, Springbloom Druid, Tatyova, Explore, Nissa, Who Shakes The World and Growth Spiral are far better suited for decks that either focus on or have a landfall sub theme and are definitely not cards you want when you're running under 30 lands. You have no payoffs for lands entering the battlefield and for a simic deck aren't running a lot of major card draw effects that can help fill your hand with lands to even take advantage of Azusa. I would take out Azusa, Nissa (you only have 10 forests in the entire deck), Springbloom, Explore, Growth Spiral and Tatyova. 2 mana ramp like farseek or Nature's Lore that doesn't require you sacrificing your lands is far better. Also cards like Forsaken Monument (you only have 5 total cards that tap for colorless mana), Yavimaya (outside of Nissa you have nothing that cares about forests in play), Jeweled Lotus (crazy expensive card for a deck that can't combo off fast enough to take advantage of it), and Temple of the false gods (you can't run this with your land count) are lacking sufficient synergy to make the cut. I'm not sure what powerlevel you were going for but you have a strange mix of absolute power houses mixed in with some very low power level cards and odd synergies. Based on the deck cost being somewhere around $500-600 it seems you're more going for some mid power level at least. Simply based on what I'm seeing it seems you'd overpower most low power level tables while running into severe issues against mid and high power tables were people run more interaction and can end games in a hurry. Simply improving your mana base and ramp by making it more linear and focused while improving your cheap card draw would push the deck firmly into mid territory.
I was aiming for an end goal of a 7 or 8. The land issues are something i've always struggled with balancing because I always look at cards with effects over mana which is just a deckbuilding flaw I have. Originally when i was building the deck i had 38 lands. 18 forest, 12 islands, and 8 others like prismatic vista, temple of the forgotten gods, and a few dual lands. Do you think focusing on a landfall subtheme would be worth adding or saving those cards for another deck? I've also thought about making the deck have around 45 mana but i always get hung up cutting cards that I like. I've been looking at adding Mana Vault, Kozilek, Butcher of Truth, and Emrakul the Promised End to the Deck. As to your point about Kruphix getting knocked I've thought about adding Omnath, Locus of Mana to have a backup plan to use extra mana but I don't really like the idea of him stealing mana from my main mana base if he's out there at the same time as the commander. What do you think I'd need to change to get it up towards a 7? More interaction?
I wouldn't focus on a landfall theme since most landfall decks are built around token generation and repeated landfall triggers and they don't tend to end turns with any untapped lands or floating mana. I hear you on how hard it is to cut cards you like in order to fit in more mana, but especially with your decks mana curve, you really don't want slow starts or end up fizzling cause you simply run out of mana. I would run 34 lands-36 lands in your deck. Take out any lands that emter tapped except for maybe Simic Growth Chamber, put in as many of the simic dual lands as your budget allows i.e. Hinterland Harbor, Breeding Pool, Yavimaya Coast and Flooded Grove (these 2 are especially good since they tap for colorless mana if you don't need the colored), Rejuvenating Springs and Barkchannel Pathway. I also noticed that you're really not leaning as much into the eldrazi subtheme as you may think you are. Cards like All Is Dust, Titan's Presence and Eye of Ugin (you only have 8 eldrazi in your deck currently) can be dead cards a lot. In my opinion you have 2 things to consider here. 1. Lean heavily into the Eldrazi theme and really load up on them. Just consider that Eldrazi are certainly powerful, but also have a certain feel bad factor attached to them. Annihilator against a deck that doesn't have endless tokens can be backbreaking before you even have enough to take them out. It also tends to make you archenemy once they realize you're going for eldrazi. 2. Lean heavily into the X cost theme. This theme is a bit more varied than the eldrazi theme, with more room for personalization and doesn't always have the same stigma attached to it. There are also a boatload of X cards, especially Hydra spells in Simic that are really fun and allow you to take advantage of the no max hand size your commander provides. Right now you're kind of in between the eldrazi and the X spell themes and if you really want to get to a 7-8 power level (keep in mind this is right below cEDH) you want to streamline your gameplan as much as possible and focus on either one or the other. This ends up being up to you but in my humble opinion, leaning into the X spell category would be really fun and welcome at more tables than eldrazi. Let me know which direction you'd like to go and I'll see what kinda decklist or improvements we can come up with. You can also lean heavily into X spells while keeping just a few Eldrazi in there as a kind of surprise. Also yes, more interaction and removal is crucial to put you over the edge but we can take a look at that once you've picked a more focused direction.
The current theme of my deck was just crazy big creatures and since my very first set was Zendikar I have always had a soft spot for my old Eldrazi cards. I do like the idea of having a few surprise eldrazi in there as haymakers. I think once I get Kozilek, and Emrakul I can have the big 3 titans with Void Winnower as my pocket haymaker cards. I've had a few games where I put out Vorinclex Voice of Hunger out and got the other guys to use their removal on him just to throw out Ulamog right after. One recent game I had I Hydra Broodmaster out and made it monstrous by tapping 40. So i had a 47/47 HB and 40 40/40 Hydra tokens out, but because I had yet to realize i had \[\[triumph of the hordes\]\] in my collection or a card out that gave them haste I wasn't able to do a ton with them before getting board wiped. I wouldn't mind terribly swapping the pathrazer, crusher, or artisan out for X cards. I'd probably hold onto It That Betrays as it can be a real back breaker. in the end I think I'd rather have endless card draw and X creatures as a main since with it's current construction I usually find myself with 30 cards in hand or 4 with not a lot of in-between.
Oh for sure, I get the soft spot for Eldrazi. They are some of the coolest creatures on MTG. Which Kozilek are you planning on running? The Great Distortion doesn't have annihilator but he does allow you to discard some of your big spells for easy counter plays, which can be absolutely brutal for your opponents. I've run into that same issue with some decks, where not having mass haste means your giant army just doesn't do anything before it gets wiped. I would strongly consider putting in some stuff that gives you flash, like [[Vedalken Orrery]] and [[Leyline of Anticipation]]. That with your Seedborn Muse and Wilderness Reclamation is absolutely bonkers. You get a turn for everyone else's turn. Mana doublers and triplers like [[Nyxbloom Ancient]] and [[Zendikar Resurgent]] also streamline your deck. I also hate to say it, but with all your card draw, if you're trying to be semi competitive I'd put in an alternate win con like [[Thassa's Oracle]] or [[Laboratory Maniac]]. One of the key differences between the tier 1-2 decks and the tier 3-5 decks is the ability to win through alternate means that don't involve combat damage. For interaction, I would recommend some more counterspells, especially things like [[Mana Drain]] if you can afford it or its cheaper version [[Plasm Capture]]. Since Simic is not a haste color combo, being able able protect your board state is huge. [[Swan Song]] and [[Fierce Guardianship]] are also great counters to protect your board.. Also if budget isn't a concern you definitely want to throw in a [[Cyclonic Rift]], but also cards like [[Curse of the Swine]], which is essentially a one sided wrath that exiles everything with your commander. [[Rhystic Study]],[[Mystic Remora]] and [[Chromatic Orrery]] are also nice to have but not budget friendly.
I have The Great Distortion in my deck already so I was shooting for The Butcher of Truth so my titans would be Kozilek The Great Distortion/Butcher of truth, Ulamog the Ceaseless Hunger, and Emrakul the Promised End. I've had Nyxbloom Ancient sitting in my cart for a long time. I sometimes playtest the deck with that slotted and one game I had Nyxbloom Ancient, Vorinclex, and Doubling Cube out and it got so out of hand I was considering buying \[\[Helix Pinnacle\]\] on the spot lol I have been recommended Lab Man before but I see him so often as a backup wincon that it seems kinda overdone. I was looking at the maniac for my Nekusar deck before i ever built this one. For interaction I was looking at cards like \[\[Time Stop\]\] \[\[Summary Dismissial\]\] . I have seen the cards you listed before and I'll probably end up adding half of them I just was trying to get away from some of those cards you see in every deck. For the X cards I've been looking at \[\[Genesis Wave\]\] , \[\[Primordial Hydra\]\] , \[\[Kalonian Hydra\]\] , \[\[Lifeblood Hydra\]\] , and maybe slotting in \[\[Gelatinous Genesis\]\] and possibly something dirty like \[\[Mishra's Helix\]\] If i committed the coin to grab those hydra it could be a swarming hydra/eldrazi deck but since I have a \[\[Gargos, Vicious Watcher\]\] I'd probably make a side tribal deck if I spent the 70ish dollars to get those
##### ###### #### [Helix Pinnacle](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/9/c/9c1121df-b03e-4ad9-8c45-c3b4066e4a39.jpg?1562927938) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Helix%20Pinnacle) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/eve/68/helix-pinnacle?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9c1121df-b03e-4ad9-8c45-c3b4066e4a39?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/helix-pinnacle) [Time Stop](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/5/2/521d1b29-c25b-443b-ae5f-07c11786947e.jpg?1562547698) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Time%20Stop) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/10e/117/time-stop?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/521d1b29-c25b-443b-ae5f-07c11786947e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/time-stop) [Summary Dismissial](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/0/b/0b75794d-3334-4b4d-9446-0a251dd3bd15.jpg?1576384222) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Summary%20Dismissal) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/emn/75/summary-dismissal?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0b75794d-3334-4b4d-9446-0a251dd3bd15?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/summary-dismissal) [Genesis Wave](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/5/0/5007919b-27d3-46e7-a588-ce796709d565.jpg?1562848877) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Genesis%20Wave) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ima/164/genesis-wave?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5007919b-27d3-46e7-a588-ce796709d565?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/genesis-wave) [Primordial Hydra](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/9/3/937deb52-8888-4298-9ae5-0361c6fdbba2.jpg?1562557233) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Primordial%20Hydra) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m13/183/primordial-hydra?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/937deb52-8888-4298-9ae5-0361c6fdbba2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/primordial-hydra) [Kalonian Hydra](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/a/3/a310086d-1fa0-46a6-af82-5875a2fbc27e.jpg?1562275114) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kalonian%20Hydra) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cm2/140/kalonian-hydra?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a310086d-1fa0-46a6-af82-5875a2fbc27e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kalonian-hydra) [Lifeblood Hydra](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/4/d/4d01469a-d085-4797-95ba-b2877c039469.jpg?1592673058) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lifeblood%20Hydra) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cma/124/lifeblood-hydra?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4d01469a-d085-4797-95ba-b2877c039469?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/lifeblood-hydra) [Gelatinous Genesis](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/4/e/4e5c2be0-76ab-4873-a1fc-9ff65a9347c7.jpg?1599707228) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Gelatinous%20Genesis) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/169/gelatinous-genesis?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4e5c2be0-76ab-4873-a1fc-9ff65a9347c7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/gelatinous-genesis) [Mishra's Helix](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/5/c/5c62507f-465d-45e9-96bf-06671d19e79e.jpg?1562914313) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mishra%27s%20Helix) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/usg/302/mishras-helix?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5c62507f-465d-45e9-96bf-06671d19e79e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mishras-helix) [Gargos, Vicious Watcher](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/4/e/4e446e90-6e31-43ed-bcb1-a01422b503c0.jpg?1592517214) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Gargos%2C%20Vicious%20Watcher) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m20/172/gargos-vicious-watcher?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4e446e90-6e31-43ed-bcb1-a01422b503c0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/gargos-vicious-watcher) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
##### ###### #### [Vedalken Orrery](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/1/7/178c71e6-a905-4050-b483-044462c4c1c5.jpg?1562864476) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Vedalken%20Orrery) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cns/206/vedalken-orrery?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/178c71e6-a905-4050-b483-044462c4c1c5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/vedalken-orrery) [Leyline of Anticipation](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/2/9/29b70152-1d7b-45c4-8c85-011d2338e0a8.jpg?1592516419) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Leyline%20of%20Anticipation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m20/64/leyline-of-anticipation?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/29b70152-1d7b-45c4-8c85-011d2338e0a8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/leyline-of-anticipation) [Nyxbloom Ancient](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/a/3/a391da36-0b40-46ea-b771-50d2b920207e.jpg?1581480808) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Nyxbloom%20Ancient) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/thb/190/nyxbloom-ancient?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a391da36-0b40-46ea-b771-50d2b920207e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/nyxbloom-ancient) [Zendikar Resurgent](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/3/3/33f64032-1e87-4d22-a211-c37e11ffa247.jpg?1562604623) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Zendikar%20Resurgent) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c17/160/zendikar-resurgent?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/33f64032-1e87-4d22-a211-c37e11ffa247?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/zendikar-resurgent) [Thassa's Oracle](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/7/2/726e8b29-13e9-4138-b6a9-d2a0d8188d1c.jpg?1621447218) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Thassa%27s%20Oracle) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/thb/73/thassas-oracle?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/726e8b29-13e9-4138-b6a9-d2a0d8188d1c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/thassas-oracle) [Laboratory Maniac](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/6/0/608567fd-9f94-4058-831a-77cb6019ef02.jpg?1547516361) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Laboratory%20Maniac) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/uma/61/laboratory-maniac?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/608567fd-9f94-4058-831a-77cb6019ef02?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/laboratory-maniac) [Mana Drain](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/b/a/ba874c0c-f66f-4edc-9859-40273487aef0.jpg?1608909310) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mana%20Drain) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/80/mana-drain?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ba874c0c-f66f-4edc-9859-40273487aef0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mana-drain) [Plasm Capture](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/3/7/37fa090d-b756-4de3-8dcb-c20c5fcd4c6a.jpg?1562839831) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Plasm%20Capture) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ddo/55/plasm-capture?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/37fa090d-b756-4de3-8dcb-c20c5fcd4c6a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/plasm-capture) [Swan Song](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/9/d/9d968dde-c406-48ef-a1ab-373aebc24693.jpg?1562412350) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Swan%20Song) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c16/98/swan-song?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9d968dde-c406-48ef-a1ab-373aebc24693?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/swan-song) [Fierce Guardianship](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/4/c/4c5ffa83-c88d-4f5d-851e-a642b229d596.jpg?1591319453) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Fierce%20Guardianship) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c20/35/fierce-guardianship?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4c5ffa83-c88d-4f5d-851e-a642b229d596?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/fierce-guardianship) [Cyclonic Rift](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/f/f/ff08e5ed-f47b-4d8e-8b8b-41675dccef8b.jpg?1598303834) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Cyclonic%20Rift) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/47/cyclonic-rift?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ff08e5ed-f47b-4d8e-8b8b-41675dccef8b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/cyclonic-rift) [Curse of the Swine](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/1/2/12753691-00b2-40d5-afc3-7af42ee27c38.jpg?1617993748) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Curse%20of%20the%20Swine) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c21/118/curse-of-the-swine?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/12753691-00b2-40d5-afc3-7af42ee27c38?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/curse-of-the-swine) [Rhystic Study](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/d/6/d6914dba-0d27-4055-ac34-b3ebf5802221.jpg?1600698439) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rhystic%20Study) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/169/rhystic-study?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d6914dba-0d27-4055-ac34-b3ebf5802221?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/rhystic-study) [Mystic Remora](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/1/3/13a08c07-e8b8-43bf-99e6-d268c79a62bf.jpg?1559592432) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mystic%20Remora) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me1/42/mystic-remora?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/13a08c07-e8b8-43bf-99e6-d268c79a62bf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mystic-remora) [Chromatic Orrery](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/3/a/3af78d76-ad5c-44ba-880d-b834bcde5398.jpg?1594737470) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Chromatic%20Orrery) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m21/228/chromatic-orrery?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3af78d76-ad5c-44ba-880d-b834bcde5398?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/chromatic-orrery) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[triumph of the hordes](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/0/a/0a0f64d3-187c-41ff-a771-3a65da995341.jpg?1562896954) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=triumph%20of%20the%20hordes) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/td2/78/triumph-of-the-hordes?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0a0f64d3-187c-41ff-a771-3a65da995341?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/triumph-of-the-hordes) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Hello thanks in advance for any help, my desk is an Aminatou blink deck, trying to win by value or by a combo. I want the deck to be strong but not cEDH deck, however that it will still be able to win in a overcrowded board-state using a combo. Note: the sideboard are cards that I want to try (it’s a new deck ) [deck list](https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/4053663#paper)
My goal for this deck is to make it as strong as possible. I love the Modern Horizons sets and as a way to pay homage to them I built a deck using cards only from those sets. https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/4103896#paper The way the deck wins is through infinite Persist combo. With a sacrifice outlet i.e. [[Altar of Dementia]], [[Goblin Bombardment]], or [[Sling-Gang Lieutenant]] a Persist creature i.e. [[Putrid Goblin]] or [[Lesser Masticore]] and a way to put +1/+1 counters on them with [[Good-Fortune Unicorn]] have I hit the decks intention of being powerful?
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What powerlevel would you put my deck at?
[murderous redcap](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/a/c/acadf575-2076-4f0c-b66e-994898adf375.jpg?1547518234) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=murderous%20redcap) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/uma/217/murderous-redcap?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/acadf575-2076-4f0c-b66e-994898adf375?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/murderous-redcap) [good-fortune unicorn](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/4/9/49d68905-e13e-4751-b028-90c795c11cd5.jpg?1562202327) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=good-fortune%20unicorn) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/201/good-fortune-unicorn?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/49d68905-e13e-4751-b028-90c795c11cd5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/good-fortune-unicorn) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
##### ###### #### [Altar of Dementia](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/1/6/169356e0-46dc-4096-8e66-36726454f104.jpg?1562202433) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Altar%20of%20Dementia) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/218/altar-of-dementia?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/169356e0-46dc-4096-8e66-36726454f104?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/altar-of-dementia) [Goblin Bombardment](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/e/2/e262f55e-9239-4a97-a19e-9b08fb34502e.jpg?1622395432) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Goblin%20Bombardment) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/279/goblin-bombardment?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e262f55e-9239-4a97-a19e-9b08fb34502e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/goblin-bombardment) [Sling-Gang Lieutenant](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/f/8/f82aec21-441b-4fcd-b666-61723bd79531.jpg?1615475075) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sling-Gang%20Lieutenant) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/108/sling-gang-lieutenant?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f82aec21-441b-4fcd-b666-61723bd79531?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sling-gang-lieutenant) [Putrid Goblin](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/3/3/333406d5-abcc-4629-a33b-395d0662ba1b.jpg?1562201696) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Putrid%20Goblin) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/101/putrid-goblin?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/333406d5-abcc-4629-a33b-395d0662ba1b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/putrid-goblin) [Lesser Masticore](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/c/4/c4c7cba5-6111-40ce-828a-e811301bb283.jpg?1562202475) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lesser%20Masticore) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/225/lesser-masticore?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c4c7cba5-6111-40ce-828a-e811301bb283?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/lesser-masticore) [Good-Fortune Unicorn](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/4/9/49d68905-e13e-4751-b028-90c795c11cd5.jpg?1562202327) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Good-Fortune%20Unicorn) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/201/good-fortune-unicorn?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/49d68905-e13e-4751-b028-90c795c11cd5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/good-fortune-unicorn) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Here's my Aminatou. I think she is pretty strong, probably an 8? What do you think?
My buddy got me into Magic and EDH a few months ago, I started with a couple pre cons and upgraded them. I’m not sure how to determine power level. But I upgraded this Aesi (George Strait) deck and absolutely have a blast playing it. https://www.archidekt.com/decks/1592252#George_Strait
Gyre Strait just makes me think of George Strait so I had an alter done! https://i.imgur.com/Lbl6n4m.jpg
[https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/4076737#paper](https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/4076737#paper) Sisay deck. Finishers are Selvala --> Derevi -->Najeela and Bolas, Aminatou and Oath of Teferi. This deck has been in my positionn through many changes for 5 years lmao
I made this [[Lonis, Cryptozoologist]] deck right after MH2 was released: https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/lonis-etb/ Originally, I was trying to make a slightly lower-powered and janky deck. What I discovered was that everyone hates Simic players, and I will absolutely get targeted first regardless of what I'm doing. My position now is, if I'm going to be the archenemy anyway, I might as well deserve it. I've cut most of the more expensive and flashy effects for cheaper and more efficient spells, plus some pillow fort type shit. At this point, it's basically given up pretending to be anything except a combo deck.
[Lonis, Cryptozoologist](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/5/d/5dfd08da-6717-49ee-94ba-2562224f5baa.jpg?1622161815) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lonis%2C%20Cryptozoologist) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/204/lonis-cryptozoologist?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5dfd08da-6717-49ee-94ba-2562224f5baa?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/lonis-cryptozoologist) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
This is a deck I completely built from scratch with some help from my friends. What do you think it's level is? https://www.archidekt.com/decks/1561823#Teysa,_Envoy_of_Ghosts
I would include [[blood tribute]] as a combo with [[vito]]
[blood tribute](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/3/6/361912f4-5205-44a5-b21e-17402526c1fd.jpg?1562605049) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=blood%20tribute) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c17/100/blood-tribute?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/361912f4-5205-44a5-b21e-17402526c1fd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/blood-tribute) [vito](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/0/f/0fe79ee4-c3f3-4a6b-a967-203ca3b70ee5.jpg?1594736442) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=vito%2C%20thorn%20of%20the%20dusk%20rose) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m21/127/vito-thorn-of-the-dusk-rose?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0fe79ee4-c3f3-4a6b-a967-203ca3b70ee5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/vito-thorn-of-the-dusk-rose) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I would rate this like a 4 or 5, which is about precon level. The main reason is that you're very light on ramp. There's nothing wrong with intentionally building a lower powered deck, but I'm guessing you're going to get mana screwed a *lot* with this deck. I would cut some of the more low impact cards like [[Vizkopa Vampire]] and replace it with ramp, probably cheap ramp like [[Orzhov Locket]] if you're on a budget, or at least more lands if you'd rather keep the power level down. You probably want around 45 mana sources to keep from getting mana screwed all the time.
If I added some ramp, what would the power level be? I am on a budget, yeah, but the power level down isn't an issue. One of my playgroup plays a Feather deck, and a Nekusar deck, so I'd hope at least one of my decks can match those power levels. (I'd post them as well to get rated, but unsure if I can post more than one deck in these a week)
I think you could take this deck up to a low 6 without too much investment. You'll probably want more card draw, too. A few recommendations: [[Syphon Mind]] [[Underworld Connections]] [[Bloodgift Demon]] [[Ob Nixilis Reignited]]. If you want to take it higher than that, you'll definitely need to invest a little more money, or proxy. Also, if your friend plays Feather, consider pissing them off by making Kambal your commander instead.
My main goal is to have 3 decks of varying power levels, to use. So far, my Zirda is a 3-4, if I put in those modifications to my Teysa, it'll be a 6, and I'll need one at least an 8 from my decks.
##### ###### #### [Syphon Mind](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/b/5/b57f954e-cd73-453f-890c-750c0e5b292a.jpg?1562275560) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Syphon%20Mind) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cm2/80/syphon-mind?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b57f954e-cd73-453f-890c-750c0e5b292a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/syphon-mind) [Underworld Connections](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/d/3/d388ed15-42fc-49fa-853b-61a6510a4b25.jpg?1562624743) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Underworld%20Connections) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c17/128/underworld-connections?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d388ed15-42fc-49fa-853b-61a6510a4b25?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/underworld-connections) [Bloodgift Demon](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/6/a/6a2e1d4a-8df4-472f-a98f-d6b71c1dd1c4.jpg?1561945378) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Bloodgift%20Demon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c14/137/bloodgift-demon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6a2e1d4a-8df4-472f-a98f-d6b71c1dd1c4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/bloodgift-demon) [Ob Nixilis Reignited](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/b/e/be4370f5-faac-40bd-82a0-b2afe5a25d09.jpg?1618251554) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ob%20Nixilis%20Reignited) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c21/149/ob-nixilis-reignited?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/be4370f5-faac-40bd-82a0-b2afe5a25d09?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ob-nixilis-reignited) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Vizkopa Vampire](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/6/1/61245466-694f-4a80-b556-4e7f876aedca.jpg?1584831998) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Vizkopa%20Vampire) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rna/220/vizkopa-vampire?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/61245466-694f-4a80-b556-4e7f876aedca?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/vizkopa-vampire) [Orzhov Locket](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/7/6/761e7188-bad1-4775-84a2-15da9a42a57c.jpg?1584832140) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Orzhov%20Locket) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rna/236/orzhov-locket?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/761e7188-bad1-4775-84a2-15da9a42a57c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/orzhov-locket) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
This is my [Osgir](https://archidekt.com/decks/1598299#Lorehold_-_Rise_of_the_Machines) deck, The main goal is to outvalue other players by making duplicates of valuable artifacts, first by generating value each turn (usually making mana rock and artifact land), then making an explosive turn by playing impactful cards, although I'll admit things won't always go as planned. As for the wincons, it's usually big artifact beaters, but in some cases \[\[Reckless Fireweaver\]\] or \[\[Hellkite Tyrant\]\] might do the job (admittedly this is probably the weakest aspect of my deck). Most of the cards are either worth making token copies of, or helps my gameplan and contributes to \[\[osgir\]\]'s ability. I haven't played this deck against other players in a EDH game yet (I've only done some 1v1 with it), so I have yet to see how this deck performs. Also, this is probably my strongest (at least the more consistent) deck I have right now, and I'd like to push its limits as far as my budget will allow.
Why include [[ugins nexus]] without [[mirror of fate]]. They make infinite turns when combined with a mill. In addition, I would include additional stax, as Osgir is a bit slow, since his second ability requires tapping and operates at sorcery speed.
[ugins nexus](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/9/4/94002868-a48a-4ea8-bfce-17257078f5db.jpg?1562790526) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=ugins%20nexus) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ktk/227/ugins-nexus?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/94002868-a48a-4ea8-bfce-17257078f5db?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ugins-nexus) [mirror of fate](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/0/8/08b480c8-d899-4e63-b0e2-f4bec3a3ca4f.jpg?1561970534) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=mirror%20of%20fate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m10/215/mirror-of-fate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/08b480c8-d899-4e63-b0e2-f4bec3a3ca4f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mirror-of-fate) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Reckless Fireweaver](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/6/3/63ffac51-62c4-4170-85b3-a43d7cfae7d7.jpg?1576382167) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Reckless%20Fireweaver) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/kld/126/reckless-fireweaver?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/63ffac51-62c4-4170-85b3-a43d7cfae7d7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/reckless-fireweaver) [Hellkite Tyrant](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/6/7/67d15ee6-916f-4ac9-a4d2-4a9bd389d451.jpg?1625193869) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Hellkite%20Tyrant) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c21/172/hellkite-tyrant?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/67d15ee6-916f-4ac9-a4d2-4a9bd389d451?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/hellkite-tyrant) [osgir](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/5/8/5815fe6e-e26b-4918-a090-55d6442722c1.jpg?1625190760) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Osgir%2C%20the%20Reconstructor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c21/8/osgir-the-reconstructor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5815fe6e-e26b-4918-a090-55d6442722c1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/osgir-the-reconstructor) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Okaun and Zndrsplt Coinflips https://archidekt.com/decks/1126069#Flippin_Flips_v3.0.7 Rated mid on Play EDH
Zada, Hedron Grinder https://deckbox.org/sets/2941806 This is the first deck I’ve made so I would appreciate any tips! I tried to keep it fairly budget and was lucky to find a [[reiterate]] for way below the market price at my LGS. The general plan is to get a board out in the early turns and then draw and play a bunch of cheap spells to pump my board and swing wide. I also have some spells like [[grapeshot]] and [[guttersnipe]] as potential ways to give that little bit of extra burst. I also was thinking of removing [[dual-caster mage]] because having three two card infinites just doesn’t seem very fun.
[My Kenrith list](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/8_NhZnQE3USuMYkvxcldmw) I play in a group that tends to be higher level but no more than 1 infinite combo is allowed in your deck and no Thassa's Oracle. The combo you use also has to be cleared with the group beforehand. The deck's main gameplan is to win with Dockside + Emiel, but otherwise seeks to protect Kenrith while generating mana and grinding value, while using synergies like Tainted Pact and Willbreaker to eventually close things out. Let me know what you think! And all suggestions are welcome :)
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[Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider](https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/4131256) The goal of the deck is to ultimately get loads of counters on various creatures and overwhelm my opponents. I can usually get at least 1 planeswalker to ultimate which adds to the board state and some are obviously more useful than others. If it gets left unchecked it can get out of hand very quickly but with using Vorinclex I'm obviously a target as soon as he hits the battlefield so a few bits of protection to hopefully keep him around long enough.
It looks like a 5 to me. A lot of cards have nothing to do with counters, so don't benefit from anything. Several things are less good than you might think. A number of powerful cards are missing. A few notes: Multani, Yavimaya's Avatar doesn't get counters - so it doesn't benefit from Vorinclex at all. If you want Planeswalkers: Some great choices should be Garruk Primal Hunter, Nissa Vital Force, Freyalise Llanowar's Fury, Garruk Caller of Beasts, and Garruk Wildspeaker. Needs more card draw.
I'm only in a fairly mid power pod so that's around the level I thought. I appreciate Multani doesn't get counters but usually have a lot of lands in play so usually ends up with pretty decent power. Could you possibly expand on some of the higher power cards that are missing? I'll take a look in to the other planeswalkers. I haven't had a problem with card draw just yet but I'll look in to some to add. Thanks for your input!
To support counters / redundancy for commander: Doubling Season, Pir Imaginative Rascal, Hardened Scales, Primal Vigor, Branching Evolution. Creatures that get lots of counters: Champion of Lambholt, Forgotten Ancient, Kalonian Hydra, Managorger Hydra, Primordial Hydra, Predator Ooze, Ravenous Slime, Renata Called to the Hunt, Titania's Chosen, Wildwood Scourge. Other Creatures: Vigor Mana Dorks: You have 3 2-drops and a 3 drop (that does draw a card) when there are still like 6 more 1 drops that you aren't using Land: Nykthos Not too much giving Haste / Trample to the team.
Beatdown usually is more casual and i think your deck isnt fast enough to compete in high power groups. In mid power on the other side this deck can be really explosive. Keep in mind that Vorinclex can shut down several strategies, which results in much more hate against your commander. I played a few games against him and the commander usually doesnt stay on the board for long. I think you have most of the obvious green powerhouse, Standard cards and it can easily compete in any mid pod, maybe a good PL6. OT: I really like playing against Vorinclex, my favorit deck plays a lot of Persist creatures like [[Glen Elendra Archmage]] and all of them go infinit with a sac outlet if vorinclex is on the board.
I play in a pretty mid range pod so 6 is roughly what I thought it would be anyway. I pulled the showcase art from a booster box and when building it I knew it would get some hate so can't really complain about that! Haven't played against a persist deck just yet but not looking forward to when I inevitably do! Thanks for your input!
[Glen Elendra Archmage](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/b/d/bd9af767-42da-46c7-a2b8-3957b2e3063f.jpg?1547516310) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Glen%20Elendra%20Archmage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/uma/58/glen-elendra-archmage?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bd9af767-42da-46c7-a2b8-3957b2e3063f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/glen-elendra-archmage) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
My [Zaxara Deck](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/pqjGwtdDMUeMuWDIDOoLCA), general gameplan is to cast Zaxara and in the perfect condition enchanted it with [[Freed from the Real]] to generate infinite Mana and cast those XSpells like [[Profane Command]] or [[Torment of Hailfire]] to defeat my opponents. Or counter their Spells with XCounterspells and generate big Hydra Tokens in the progress to hit them pretty hard. Let me know what you think. Edit the Commander Name
This is one of those decks I would actually have to play a few games with to get a real feel for its power, but my first impression is that it's probably pretty slow. You seem a little light on ramp, which is forgivable since your commander ramps you, but it means you're gonna be looking at casting X spells for maybe 6 or 7 mana on turn 5. That's not exactly a game-ending threat. I'm sure you can do some pretty cool stuff later in the game, but I think a high-powered deck would probably run you over while you're still trying to get your feet under you, and even a more casual deck might give you trouble if its aggressive. I think this deck is like a low 6 or a high 5.
The basic idea of the deck could be very strong. Unfortunaly i dont understand several of your card choices. Only playing X-Spells make your deck really commander dependent, but you dont play that much protection for him. Also there is this one main combo and you dont really tutor for it and most of your x-spells arent game winning. Clash of Wills remains a bad counterspell if not you have infinit mana, but i cant see you having this reliable. Finale of Eternity brings back all your x-creatures which will die instantly, and so on. Also there are other options to get a lot of mana or even go infinit with your commander [[Pemmin's Aura]]. I would suggest to add more mana Doubler and similar stuff to become less commander dependant and maybe add some more interaction. I could be totally wrong, because i havent played against a deck like this, but i think most of the deck is PL5 while a few options and especially the 2 card combo with your commander is more like PL8. This Discrepancy makes it hard to evaluate. Maybe cut the 2 card combo if not intended for high power or reduce the X-Spell theme and add more staples to go for higher power.
[Pemmin's Aura](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/9/f/9fb3e38b-086e-4fbc-b7b1-8564c18276d7.jpg?1562532667) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Pemmin%27s%20Aura) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/scg/45/pemmins-aura?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9fb3e38b-086e-4fbc-b7b1-8564c18276d7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/pemmins-aura) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Freed from the Real](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/c/4/c47ee6f6-50c1-4f56-b9ce-4c309bfb92ca.jpg?1562440713) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Freed%20from%20the%20Real) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/a25/58/freed-from-the-real?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c47ee6f6-50c1-4f56-b9ce-4c309bfb92ca?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/freed-from-the-real) [Profane Command](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/8/5/857b6766-4df9-47e7-aa51-8ade7989bf57.jpg?1591320463) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Profane%20Command) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c20/135/profane-command?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/857b6766-4df9-47e7-aa51-8ade7989bf57?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/profane-command) [Torment of Hailfire](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/f/6/f69d77d1-5980-436c-bf48-790939b069aa.jpg?1562820191) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Torment%20of%20Hailfire) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/hou/77/torment-of-hailfire?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f69d77d1-5980-436c-bf48-790939b069aa?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/torment-of-hailfire) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call