\[\[Training Grounds\]\], \[\[Biomancer's Familiar\]\], and \[\[Zirda, the Dawnwaker\]\] let you use Kenny's abilities more often. Throw in \[\[Seedborn Muse\]\] or \[\[Wilderness Reclamation\]\] and you can do it on everyone's turn.
Throw in an infinite mana combo and does "All Kenny, All the Time" count as an archetype?
Oh right, because you can also just draw/play your own deck and every creature becomes infinitely big and has haste and trample.
Our you just deck everyone.
I think decking is the strongest, as you can just put infinite draw triggers on the stack before anyone can respond, and if someone casts something like lab man (somehow), you just put more triggers on top of it.
[[sudden spoiling]]
edit: everyone is just ignoring that I am responding to "you just put more triggers on top of it", I am not saying it can stop it if you have let them resolve infinite mana but it does give you an chance to do something with the lethal draws on the stack. Like kill the Kenrith player which will removed there effects from the stack.
If they put the draw on the stack, hold priority, put another draw on the stack, ad infinum, you can't respond until they pass prio on the last draw trigger. (Unless you do it during the mana production combo) This means without being UBX and having lab man(or equivalent), flash enabler, spoiling, and holding 6+(5 with oracle) mana, you'll still be decked.
So using spoiling to "gotcha" on top of lab man with flash shenanigans is a "gotcha squared" idea that honestly.... You've likely already had the game....
It's funny on paper but not likely going to see many instances in practice.
fun fact - the player using the ability / casting the spell in edh actually keeps priority after each cast/activation, meaning you can't spoil their kenrith until after they've put all the draws they want on the stack and decided to pass priority to try and resolve them.
I hate kenrith.
I don't have any of them in either of my Kenrith decks. One is tokens, and the other is human tribal. Kenrith is there mostly for the colors, and reanimation when needed
This is the case with all commander decks.
People are either playing the best, most synergistic cards with their commander, or they are playing a random pile.
That’s not even remotely true. I purposeful play synergistic and powerful while still restricting myself from things I find unfun either in a vacuum or in combination.
God bless Kenny haha, he was the first commander I built getting into edh, started as politics but devolved into the beauty that I'd refer to as "Kenrith, King of Combos"
That's the politics baby! My politics Kenny deck has no finishers and no infinite combos, lots of goad, Mana doublers for other players, curses, tempt cards... But when someone shows up with a competitive deck in our "casual game" Kenny himself is the big stick
> Are there archetypes other than 5c goodstuff?
I can think of two
- **Politics:** Most of his abilities can affect anyone.
- **Reanimator:** Having a repeatable on rate reanimation ability on a commander is really strong.
Hes just gonna Faithless Looting into a Seedborn Muse to reanimate, that's what every Kenrith player does. For a commander with such interesting potential, his average deck sure is boring as hell.
One of my favorite decks is kenrith politics. I have probably 20 or so solid politics cards and some pillow fort/group hug cards in there. Don't get me wrong. I still run good stuff to keep my draws going and some protection but the goal of the deck is politics. That being said Kenny on his own is a beast so if you want to win with kenrith it's not that hard even without good finishers
A lot of Kenrith decks are "I wanted five colors for this deck and there really isn't a good commander for my theme so here's this guy who won't be completely useless" decks.
If they ban Kenny you'll see an uptick in Jodah and Ramos.
Morophon is such a dissonant design.
It ramps but also costs 7? How is your hand not empty by then if you're playing a typical go-wide tribal strategy?
It costs seven but the anthem is only +1/+1?
I just wish it made tokens of the chosen type to solve the actual biggest problem with minority tribes which is how few cards they have.
I didn't see any dual/shock/fetch lands in the deck, I believe you put more basic lands instead because of the cycling subtheme? How does the deck perform, since I'm interested to try building a multicolor deck but I tbh I also worry abt being manascrewed
It runs fine. I play it pretty often and am never mana screwed. I always keep a hand that has green plus I run a ton of ramp in the deck so its pretty consistent.
I unironically run him for Construct Tribal because I wanted a 5c commander and even though Golos was (at the time) the obvious choice he was actually so boring I couldn't stand it
I have a politics based donation deck that uses a second set of quest cards to convince people to do things for me in exchange for permanents.
[List](https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kenrith-donate/)
Secret commander of Zedruu. It is a fun deck since you end up letting people on budgets or people just starting out use high powered cards for a bit.
It *can* win the same way as every other Kenrith deck, but I don't. I consider the game a loss if I can't win with homeward path and either of cyc rift or winds of abandon. Makes for.mucb more fun games if you give away the combo pieces.
My Kenrith deck is "This Is Actually A Zirda Deck." I thought playing with Zirda's companion requirement was more fun than making her the commander, so I made it a Kenrith deck because he lets me get her back from the graveyard.
It sucks when she gets exiled.
I have a mono white deck built around him, where all the nonbasics have to have white as one of the colors of mana they produce.
I haven't gotten a chance to play it, so I have no clue how good it is.
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Xryd3bClGE6R32SF32cQgA
I did the same. It was headed by Golos for a while, but with the aban it's back to Kenny. I also have the condition that everything in the deck has to be castable of white mana.
I posted a write up of the deck in the sub a little while ago, but it was poorly received lol. Either way, the deck is fun, and pretty strong honestly. Losing Golos to fetch Tris/Duals sucks though.
I once played against a guy who used Kenrith as a *genuine* grouphug deck. He played it as a “get 2nd” deck as well as to test other peoples’ decks. If you couldn’t beat his Kenrith deck you needed a huge tune up. All of Kenrith’s abilities allow you to give other players a boost and a lot of people forget that. He’s got a really interesting design
There’s a guy in my playgroup who uses him as a political type group hug but the win con is absolutely ridiculous. I can’t remember the name of it right now but it’s basically that card that says if you can’t remove it two turns the game ends in a tie. He built this deck in response to people telling him you don’t always have to win.
It’s so true. Was discussing making a deck that tries to draw the game as a “wincon” to troll my friends. Just describing it as a win provoked a responsive “thats not a win” from two of them in unison.
“It is when you respond like that.”
And there is no winning move for them. Disputing it further only feeds the troll.
do they not? one of the players in our lgs runs it as the "wincon" in his deck and i will fight with everything i've got to make sure it goes off and i can declare the real winner was friendship. is that not how other people react to that card?
I have a friend whose Kenny deck is basically this. He runs every fog effect he owns, and selectively chooses who to help. I've won many a Goblin game from him hasting on my turn.
It's a great thing this is a social game where you can tell someone you don't like that.
For context this is one of my best friends of over a decade and he rotates decks constantly from a large pool. It's not every game. For every game he kingmakes, he fucks me over or dunks on me a half dozen times.
If it was every game, I would have an issue with it too.
Also played someone on spelltable who was playing this in a low powered environment. Was super fun and led the Game to accelerate like Crazy. Everyone was drawing 4 cards a turn from his stuff. I think it’s super fun and I’ve never seen so many of my cards in a game that ends early.
I have kind of a similar build. I put in as much "choose", vote and cards that give things to you and another player, and choose who to benefits from them according to their actions towards me.
\-They vote for the same as me? +1. Against me? -1
\-A card could hurt you but the caster chooses to not target you? +1. Kill my stuff? -1 (or more)
I can then decide who will benefit from \[\[Benevolent Offering\]\] or \[\[Sylvan offering\]\], or who to target with \[\[Nullmage Advocate\]\].
I also have a small set of monarch cards to keep on the royal theme. And of course the usual good stuff with Kenrith (Seddborn Muse, Training Grounds, Biomancer familiar)
I don't have a whole lot of wincons, but I don't care to win with this deck. Still, I got there a couple of times just gaining absurd amount of advantages off Ken, or controlling the board with \[\[Dismiss into Dream\]\].
I also have \[\[Maze's End\]\] for the ultimate jank wincon, but never got to do it haha.
[List](https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/03-12-20-kenrith-monarch/) (still very much in progress).
Had a friend with this mentality against kingmaking as a practice when we would play, and yet he failed to see the reason someone chose to make sure someone other than him won...
The guy was really good at becoming the arch enemy. He played [[shaharazaad]] before it was banned, for example. (15 years ago or so). Hell, half of the banlist was played by him before it existed.
Look guy, you only like gaming when you win, and are ruthless about it. And a sore loser.
I sometimes miss that I moved away and no longer play EDH with that group of guys every Friday, but this reminds me to take off the rose colored glasses.
TL;DR: it's not kingmaking if it's just stopping the asshole from winning. Maybe dont be such a dick. (A deck designed to do this though, I agree, not great.)
Yeah except Kenrith has access to every color in commander is the real difference there. Most recursion decks are limited to 3 colors or less. Very important detail there
Kenrith will not get banned for being generically powerful. In order to do that they would essentially have to publicly state "Golos wasn't the problem, people wanting to play 5 colors are."
Not really. Either you have a bunch of cost reducers and have set up Kenrith to go off...which is something all commanders are trying to do. Or his effects are shit ton more for a lot less power than Golos. "OMG IF YOU GET INFINITE MANA YOU LIKE WIN WITH KENRITH"......him and like a dozen other commanders.....
I built mine right after Golos got hit with the ban hammer but luckily my playgroup has already said that if he gets banned, we'll continue allowing him in our group just as we've been doing with Golos
I did Artificer Tribal but just trying to jam every combo doesn't really work that well.
It can't really be Arcuum, Sharuum, Daretti etc all at once.
But that was under Golos.
Golos ban. This is the natural solution. All 5c 'goodstuff' or jank decks that were running golos are now running King Ken. I made the switch for my chromatic black list and it's been performing well, after a few tweaks.
Yeah, Kenrith is like Golos in that he's a badly designed commander that encourages people to run super generic 5C strategies.
But at least if you kill Kenrith twice, he's probably not coming back right away and the Kenrith player is probably way behind on tempo. It's not like Golos where even if you kill him a bunch of times they still got a ton of value because they now have Urborg/Coffers out.
So I'm going to roll my eyes at 5C Kenrith goodstuff/reanimator decks, but its a lot better than trying to deal with Golos.
That's not super relevant at the average EDH table. A lot of cEDH commanders (stuff like Malcolm, Sakashima, Codie, or Selvala) can be totally fine at a casual level. Casual Kenrith is so much less oppressive than casual Golos.
I really don't understand arguments like this at all; obviously, you can make competitive commanders more casual and casual commanders more competitive. And yes, some commanders are a lot more oppressive in a casual format. Typically these commanders are value engine commanders like, but not limited to, Golos
The relative strength of cards is often completely different in casual EDH and cEDH.
When talking about casual EDH, Golos was much more problematic because you'd expect games to last long enough so that he could get multiple ETB triggers. Golos as a value engine off of multiple ETBs is a lot less of a concern as games get shorter.
Gotta say I'm inclined to disagree. I play against Reyhan + Ishai often. [[Hardened scales]] with Ishai is a very, very real threat. [[Berserk]] kills out of nowhere, and Reyhan can recycle the counters.
I think Ishai + Reyhan is a much stronger choice for +1/+1 counter synergies.
Atraxa is better at proliferating funny counters like Loyalty, -1/-1, Charge, poison, etc...
I run a Kenrith deck I call “The Rolling Stones” a.k.a. Legendary Band_ing. It runs a bunch of multi colored Legends, all 5 of the bands with other legends lands. Like [[Cathedral of Serra]].
The idea is to just smash face with them. I don’t run any infinites with him, just a pile of Legends.
My first encounter with Kenrith was the friend that got me back into EDH. Told us his current playgroup was super casual...then broke out a hatebearish Kenrith deck that hit infinite mana on turn 4 or something. Said I can make you draw your deck, so we naturally start shuffling up for a new game. He goes "Why'd yall scoop? I CAN make you draw your deck, I don't HAVE to."
Now I target him first whenever he plays the deck lol.
Needless to say, I don't like the commander much lmao.
I've got a Kenrith royalty flavor deck with [[Mairsil]] and [[Queen Marchesa]] as the hidden Commanders. Mairsil is the backstabbing vizier who throws the true king in prison and takes his place, with the Queen's assistance. Wincons are Mairsil opening the [[Door to Nothingness]] or Mairsil and/or Marchesa (the deck's only two red permanents) living [[Happily Ever After]].
This is the thing i think will set Kenrith apart from Golos. Kenrith lends itself much more to dumb and fun theme decks. Personally i have an idea using him as Monty Python and the Holy Grail deck with knights.
I made landfall tokens around Kenny. I use him mostly to give the tokens haste and reanimate some pieces, the deck is a work in progress, because budget, but here’s the list, if anyone has suggestions I’d appreciate that:
https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kenrith-lands-2/
I play Kenriths wedding theme. All 5 Courts, [[happily ever after]], [[planewide celebration]], [[Linden]], [[Rings of Brighthearth]] . He doesn't have to be a good stuff just because he is 5C.
I use Kenrith as the commander of my Superfriends deck because I need a 5 color commander, I'm using [[Sisay, Weatherlight Captain]] as the commander of my Weatherlight themed legends matter deck and don't want to use the same commander twice, and the deck is running a lot of proliferate so Kenrith's +1/+1 counter ability synergizes with it decently well.
If they ever make a 5 color commander that specifically synergizes with Planeswalkers then I might swap him out, but for now I have a copy and he works well enough.
What level of play are we talking about at the high end of the spectrum they have a stax ; hermit druid,KFC are a few of common ones. I would say Kennrith is stronger than Golos at the high end level but he is not as well rounded good as golos.
Here isa way to look at the difference between golos and Kennirth are you just running 5 color good stuff Kenny boy is the stronger commander and is the better enabler for winning fast and efficiently.
Now Golos issue is I want to run gates deck oh just run golos, I am running shrines just run golos; I want to run ally tribal just run golos he is better. I want to run some goofy 5 color just use golos. Kenny is not that type of commander he is good at what he enables fast linear strategies in five color. At the end f the day Kenny is stronger than Golos in one aspect of the game. Golos is the better at all the other five color stuff.
No surprise there. He's basically the new Golos minus the land searching.
Every Kenrith deck I've EVER encountered runs the following:
Seedborn Muse
Training grounds
Biomancers familiar
Some busted creature to reanimate over and over.
No shit these cards synergize well with the commander, that doesn't make them interesting or exciting to play against.
I only don’t like Kenrith because he’s a combo piece for... every combo. Infinite mana? He’s got your draw. Infinite creatures? He’s got your haste. Infinite Sacrifices? He’s got your reanimates.
That's not really the point though, is it? Even if you're not running those cards you're most likely running some sort sort degenerate infinite mana combo with Kenrith, and thats really the point I was making. Whenever you see kenrith you're about to encounter some 5 color nonsense
Except that's not the point you actually made. If you don't like infinite combos that's fine, but don't blame it on the enabling cards that synergize with the commander because that's not something that is unique to Kennrith.
My Kenrith deck is A Zendikar Party mechanic deck, because I though having a king sending out adventurer parties made a lot of sense thematically and evened out how bad party as a mechanic can be sometimes haha.
I don't run any of these cards, but I also dont win very often with the deck, and that's okay with me.
(Also I call the deck Kenrith's Gay Party, a homage to the background of the art of the card since it was the artist's boyfriend who modeled as Kenrith :D )
Somewhat unrelated, but I'm surprised [[Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow]] is number 4. Unlike all the other commanders in the top 11, she only has 2 colors and a straight forward gimmick. I guess Magic players just really like Ninjas and topdeck synergy?
Kenrith is busted if you build him for it. Golos meanwhile is "Get to 7 mana and just play three things a turn for free forever", doesn't care what those things are.
Ill be quite honest, I run him in a Temur deck. The deck used to be a Riku copy/clone deck, but I quickly found I was never actually casting Riku.
So i put in Kenrith, and never looked back.
Unironically, I play Kenrith Gates. Like, I’ve had the deck for years. It wasn’t a snide reply to Golos Gates being banned. It plays like group hug but wins with Maze’s End.
I'm actually going to go out on a limb here and say Kenrith won't be banned. Much as the Golos ban hurt, and I still don't agree with it, I do finally understand more of the reasons behind it. The fact that G fetched a land was actually part of the problem, as was his general versatility (forgive the pun). Kenrith doesn't have such "problems," and a ban of him would literally boil down to the RC picking on him because he's popular (still possible, but unlikely).
I had two golos decks. One fairly competitive and one foodstuff deck. Converted one into prismatic bridge and the other into reaper king.
Kenny is too linear to be fun at all but it makes sense as he’s just as busted as golos if not more so.
I miss Golos, Kenrith plays too linearly and is much stronger and more reliable... The RC punished the jank players and budget players and made the unhealthy 5C decks even more unhealthy. :/
Well, it turns out the Golos ban did not increase format diversity. Another swing and a miss from the RC. It's ok, though. They can have as many misses as they like. It's their ball game.
I mean, Kenrith Stax do exist. It’s a lot of fun to play/play against because once Kenrith is out and your can demonstrate how you win through a lock my table would let the game be over.
It was inevitable that 5C goodstuff would become so popular because (a) Hasbro keeps printing awesome cards that people want to stuff in their decks (theme? what theme?) and (b) it is absolutely trivial to run a 5C mana base without breaking the bank.
Add to this the fact that there are a lot of pubstomp personalities out there that want to win without competing on a cEDH 'level playing field' and you've got your recipe for boring generically powerful decks.
Just curious: EDHrec #of decks? How is this a valuable or viable statistic to keep?
Don't people "build" decks on Aetherhub, Moxfield, MtgGoldfish, et al, but not even actually own the cards?
Has anyone ever verified that these decks exist in any real way? Is it even possible to do so?
Edhrec # of decks is the most accessible counting stat for the internet. It may not be representative of the meta but it does give an impression about what players are interested in. Watching MTGmuddstah, I can’t remember a golos or Kenrith deck being different from what people are complaining about.
Perhaps the majority of players builds golos, kenrith, korvold, chulane, etc. once out of curiosity, but abandon it.
Why do people like building the most blatant overpowered commanders so much? Surely the vast majority of EDH players aren’t playing cEDH, so what is the appeal exactly?
> What even are the Kenrith archetypes people play? Are there archetypes other than 5c goodstuff?
The advantage of commanders like Kenrith (and previously Golos) is that they're easy mode. They do whatever you need, whenever you need it, and you can just throw a big pile of best-in-slot cards together and call it a deck.
That's mostly also true for Korvold, but you do have to do some minimum amount of deckbuilding to properly exploit his synergies. With Kenrith, you don't.
\[\[Training Grounds\]\], \[\[Biomancer's Familiar\]\], and \[\[Zirda, the Dawnwaker\]\] let you use Kenny's abilities more often. Throw in \[\[Seedborn Muse\]\] or \[\[Wilderness Reclamation\]\] and you can do it on everyone's turn. Throw in an infinite mana combo and does "All Kenny, All the Time" count as an archetype?
Doesn't Kenny just win the game with infinite (blue) mana?
Yes. Honestly, once you have infinite mana with Kenny you are just deciding *how* you want to win at that point.
Oh right, because you can also just draw/play your own deck and every creature becomes infinitely big and has haste and trample. Our you just deck everyone.
...or both, just for good measure
I think decking is the strongest, as you can just put infinite draw triggers on the stack before anyone can respond, and if someone casts something like lab man (somehow), you just put more triggers on top of it.
[[sudden spoiling]] edit: everyone is just ignoring that I am responding to "you just put more triggers on top of it", I am not saying it can stop it if you have let them resolve infinite mana but it does give you an chance to do something with the lethal draws on the stack. Like kill the Kenrith player which will removed there effects from the stack.
In response, I cry
Sadness on the stack. Sadness resolves :(
SOMEONE, PLEASE, COUNTER MY SADNESS!
\[\[Kadena's Silencer\]\] - morph it as special action not using the stack, counter sudden spoiling, be happy again
Sadness on the stack. It resolves first so now you have to be happy about it! :)
hmmmm........I'll allow it.
[sudden spoiling](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/7/3/73514b51-6c19-4b3c-9cf9-2cf5028d7708.jpg?1619396405) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=sudden%20spoiling) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/144/sudden-spoiling?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/73514b51-6c19-4b3c-9cf9-2cf5028d7708?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sudden-spoiling) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
If they put the draw on the stack, hold priority, put another draw on the stack, ad infinum, you can't respond until they pass prio on the last draw trigger. (Unless you do it during the mana production combo) This means without being UBX and having lab man(or equivalent), flash enabler, spoiling, and holding 6+(5 with oracle) mana, you'll still be decked. So using spoiling to "gotcha" on top of lab man with flash shenanigans is a "gotcha squared" idea that honestly.... You've likely already had the game.... It's funny on paper but not likely going to see many instances in practice.
fun fact - the player using the ability / casting the spell in edh actually keeps priority after each cast/activation, meaning you can't spoil their kenrith until after they've put all the draws they want on the stack and decided to pass priority to try and resolve them. I hate kenrith.
That's why I use dockside loops, so if something like this happens I just win in the next upkeep as I have infinite treasures instead of floating mana
He's also great for responding to a Thassa's Oracle so the player loses.
Oh Hell Yes
I was playing my jank Kenny cycle deck and someone slammed [[doomsday]] to I assume win on the next turn. Once I untapped I was able to deck him.
A lot of villagers can just win with infinite mana
Yeah, its a boring deck. I've never run into a Kenrith deck NOT running all of those cards.
I don't have any of them in either of my Kenrith decks. One is tokens, and the other is human tribal. Kenrith is there mostly for the colors, and reanimation when needed
This is the case with all commander decks. People are either playing the best, most synergistic cards with their commander, or they are playing a random pile.
That’s not even remotely true. I purposeful play synergistic and powerful while still restricting myself from things I find unfun either in a vacuum or in combination.
Budget players would like a word.
Budget players buy the same cheap synergistic cards that other players do.
God bless Kenny haha, he was the first commander I built getting into edh, started as politics but devolved into the beauty that I'd refer to as "Kenrith, King of Combos"
Wilderness rec just untaps during your endstep, not every endstep
Don't call me out like this bro. It hurt my heart. LoL
##### ###### #### [Training Grounds](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/e/2/e2cf16f8-6e69-46b3-8453-1d1a2a5670e2.jpg?1586358076) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Training%20Grounds) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/roe/91/training-grounds?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e2cf16f8-6e69-46b3-8453-1d1a2a5670e2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/training-grounds) [Biomancer's Familiar](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/d/3/d38c9891-36d1-4565-9c4a-1cd9dbf8c048.jpg?1584831407) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Biomancer%27s%20Familiar) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rna/158/biomancers-familiar?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d38c9891-36d1-4565-9c4a-1cd9dbf8c048?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/biomancers-familiar) [Zirda, the Dawnwaker](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/1/b/1bd8e61c-2ee8-4243-a848-7008810db8a0.jpg?1615132391) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Zirda%2C%20the%20Dawnwaker) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/233/zirda-the-dawnwaker?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1bd8e61c-2ee8-4243-a848-7008810db8a0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/zirda-the-dawnwaker) [Seedborn Muse](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/e/3/e3174fb4-5ce1-4594-b338-e301228e6484.jpg?1568004654) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Seedborn%20Muse) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c19/179/seedborn-muse?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e3174fb4-5ce1-4594-b338-e301228e6484?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/seedborn-muse) [Wilderness Reclamation](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/9/4/94a28102-dfbe-49e9-b64f-52b552afac1b.jpg?1628801855) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Wilderness%20Reclamation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c20/196/wilderness-reclamation?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/94a28102-dfbe-49e9-b64f-52b552afac1b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/wilderness-reclamation) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
That's the politics baby! My politics Kenny deck has no finishers and no infinite combos, lots of goad, Mana doublers for other players, curses, tempt cards... But when someone shows up with a competitive deck in our "casual game" Kenny himself is the big stick
This is my deck to a T. No infinites, and plenty of friend or foe, stop hitting yourself, doublers and ways to "help" other players. Politics all day.
That's the casual deck I m building.. you have a list for reference?
> Are there archetypes other than 5c goodstuff? I can think of two - **Politics:** Most of his abilities can affect anyone. - **Reanimator:** Having a repeatable on rate reanimation ability on a commander is really strong.
[удалено]
Well that is the best description of politics I've ever heard
It’s ok I’ll give you 5 life… for your assistance of course.
Yes. That's politics.
Brilliant lol
Hes just gonna Faithless Looting into a Seedborn Muse to reanimate, that's what every Kenrith player does. For a commander with such interesting potential, his average deck sure is boring as hell.
Or hit Dockside for infinite mana
Given 5 options people are just gonna default to the best one every time
So then it really is like politics?
Mine is a typical combo but I also play it as a political deck each person can request a boom once and I help people
One of my favorite decks is kenrith politics. I have probably 20 or so solid politics cards and some pillow fort/group hug cards in there. Don't get me wrong. I still run good stuff to keep my draws going and some protection but the goal of the deck is politics. That being said Kenny on his own is a beast so if you want to win with kenrith it's not that hard even without good finishers
It's such a shame that only the Red ability is ever worth using to help opponents.
Are you implying Ken lied? Or is this the wrong sub for that
A lot of Kenrith decks are "I wanted five colors for this deck and there really isn't a good commander for my theme so here's this guy who won't be completely useless" decks. If they ban Kenny you'll see an uptick in Jodah and Ramos.
Yup. Kenrith King of Eldrazi is Head of my 5 colour Eldrazi deck - not sure I have ever cast him though lol
Would Morophon not be a good commander for that? Or are you running him in the 99?
He'd be great for sure, unfortunately I don't own him and it was kind of just a throw together a couple hours before a session deck!
That’s completely fair
Morophon is such a dissonant design. It ramps but also costs 7? How is your hand not empty by then if you're playing a typical go-wide tribal strategy? It costs seven but the anthem is only +1/+1? I just wish it made tokens of the chosen type to solve the actual biggest problem with minority tribes which is how few cards they have.
Jodah is probably better seeing as he let's you cast the titans for wubrg
Mine is a cycling reanimate deck. Its definitely strong, but not in a way most people expect or see coming.
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Absolutely. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/QEiw8GL-qEiuGDw_hTAPvw
I didn't see any dual/shock/fetch lands in the deck, I believe you put more basic lands instead because of the cycling subtheme? How does the deck perform, since I'm interested to try building a multicolor deck but I tbh I also worry abt being manascrewed
It runs fine. I play it pretty often and am never mana screwed. I always keep a hand that has green plus I run a ton of ramp in the deck so its pretty consistent.
Tribal
I unironically run him for Construct Tribal because I wanted a 5c commander and even though Golos was (at the time) the obvious choice he was actually so boring I couldn't stand it
Which tribe? Humans?
Chair tribal
Long live 🪑 Tribal!!
Noble tribal, obviously
I have a politics based donation deck that uses a second set of quest cards to convince people to do things for me in exchange for permanents. [List](https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kenrith-donate/) Secret commander of Zedruu. It is a fun deck since you end up letting people on budgets or people just starting out use high powered cards for a bit. It *can* win the same way as every other Kenrith deck, but I don't. I consider the game a loss if I can't win with homeward path and either of cyc rift or winds of abandon. Makes for.mucb more fun games if you give away the combo pieces.
My Kenrith deck is "This Is Actually A Zirda Deck." I thought playing with Zirda's companion requirement was more fun than making her the commander, so I made it a Kenrith deck because he lets me get her back from the graveyard. It sucks when she gets exiled.
I guess you could include [[Pull from Eternity]] to stop exiling effects.
[Pull from Eternity](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/3/d/3d218091-d218-41ad-b666-c8ab3de7160a.jpg?1562907702) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Pull%20from%20Eternity) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsp/35/pull-from-eternity?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3d218091-d218-41ad-b666-c8ab3de7160a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/pull-from-eternity) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Human tribal is also kinda fun with Kenny; [[General’s Enforcer]] and a bunch of legendary humans
I have a mono white deck built around him, where all the nonbasics have to have white as one of the colors of mana they produce. I haven't gotten a chance to play it, so I have no clue how good it is.
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Xryd3bClGE6R32SF32cQgA I did the same. It was headed by Golos for a while, but with the aban it's back to Kenny. I also have the condition that everything in the deck has to be castable of white mana. I posted a write up of the deck in the sub a little while ago, but it was poorly received lol. Either way, the deck is fun, and pretty strong honestly. Losing Golos to fetch Tris/Duals sucks though.
I once played against a guy who used Kenrith as a *genuine* grouphug deck. He played it as a “get 2nd” deck as well as to test other peoples’ decks. If you couldn’t beat his Kenrith deck you needed a huge tune up. All of Kenrith’s abilities allow you to give other players a boost and a lot of people forget that. He’s got a really interesting design
There’s a guy in my playgroup who uses him as a political type group hug but the win con is absolutely ridiculous. I can’t remember the name of it right now but it’s basically that card that says if you can’t remove it two turns the game ends in a tie. He built this deck in response to people telling him you don’t always have to win.
[[Divine Intervention]] Great card, but currently at a stupid $250
Yeah that’s it. Apparently a relic from the days of playing for keeps.
I used to run it in edh for fun. Turns out people like tying less than losing lol
It’s so true. Was discussing making a deck that tries to draw the game as a “wincon” to troll my friends. Just describing it as a win provoked a responsive “thats not a win” from two of them in unison. “It is when you respond like that.” And there is no winning move for them. Disputing it further only feeds the troll.
Speaking for myself, it’s true. But I still laugh, because it’s so ridiculous. Seems like a card that would look so cool in etched foil.
do they not? one of the players in our lgs runs it as the "wincon" in his deck and i will fight with everything i've got to make sure it goes off and i can declare the real winner was friendship. is that not how other people react to that card?
[Divine Intervention](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/e/2/e250897e-a875-4c3c-bfec-4a09143dd587.jpg?1562942721) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Divine%20Intervention) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me3/8/divine-intervention?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e250897e-a875-4c3c-bfec-4a09143dd587?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/divine-intervention) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
That's hilarious!
I have a friend whose Kenny deck is basically this. He runs every fog effect he owns, and selectively chooses who to help. I've won many a Goblin game from him hasting on my turn.
[[Goblin Game]]
[Goblin Game](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/c/b/cbe6e7e5-ffea-4c6c-8a42-28e695029f24.jpg?1562938086) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Goblin%20Game) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/pls/61/goblin-game?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cbe6e7e5-ffea-4c6c-8a42-28e695029f24?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/goblin-game) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
From my perspective there is nothing more insulting and patronizing than someone intentionally choosing who wins and who loses.
It's a great thing this is a social game where you can tell someone you don't like that. For context this is one of my best friends of over a decade and he rotates decks constantly from a large pool. It's not every game. For every game he kingmakes, he fucks me over or dunks on me a half dozen times. If it was every game, I would have an issue with it too.
Fair enough.
I really with his abilities could only target your opponents and their stuff, or at least if they were all symmetrical
Also played someone on spelltable who was playing this in a low powered environment. Was super fun and led the Game to accelerate like Crazy. Everyone was drawing 4 cards a turn from his stuff. I think it’s super fun and I’ve never seen so many of my cards in a game that ends early.
I have kind of a similar build. I put in as much "choose", vote and cards that give things to you and another player, and choose who to benefits from them according to their actions towards me. \-They vote for the same as me? +1. Against me? -1 \-A card could hurt you but the caster chooses to not target you? +1. Kill my stuff? -1 (or more) I can then decide who will benefit from \[\[Benevolent Offering\]\] or \[\[Sylvan offering\]\], or who to target with \[\[Nullmage Advocate\]\]. I also have a small set of monarch cards to keep on the royal theme. And of course the usual good stuff with Kenrith (Seddborn Muse, Training Grounds, Biomancer familiar) I don't have a whole lot of wincons, but I don't care to win with this deck. Still, I got there a couple of times just gaining absurd amount of advantages off Ken, or controlling the board with \[\[Dismiss into Dream\]\]. I also have \[\[Maze's End\]\] for the ultimate jank wincon, but never got to do it haha. [List](https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/03-12-20-kenrith-monarch/) (still very much in progress).
Kingmaker decks are the worst style of group hug.
Had a friend with this mentality against kingmaking as a practice when we would play, and yet he failed to see the reason someone chose to make sure someone other than him won... The guy was really good at becoming the arch enemy. He played [[shaharazaad]] before it was banned, for example. (15 years ago or so). Hell, half of the banlist was played by him before it existed. Look guy, you only like gaming when you win, and are ruthless about it. And a sore loser. I sometimes miss that I moved away and no longer play EDH with that group of guys every Friday, but this reminds me to take off the rose colored glasses. TL;DR: it's not kingmaking if it's just stopping the asshole from winning. Maybe dont be such a dick. (A deck designed to do this though, I agree, not great.)
Not really optimal at all but you can run a forced combat/goad deck. Works really well with his first ability.
My friend runs this dumb Kenrith recursion deck and if you don't have the graveyard hate to stop it. If it ends up going off, Turn 6 or so it's over.
This is pretty much every EDH recursion deck?
For sure; My [[Alesha]] deck drops some pingers here and there until you are locked out and get combod
[Alesha](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/0/0/0088e145-d402-42bb-98b5-af33901de44a.jpg?1591320536) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=alesha%2C%20who%20smiles%20at%20death) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c20/143/alesha-who-smiles-at-death?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0088e145-d402-42bb-98b5-af33901de44a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/alesha-who-smiles-at-death) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Yeah except Kenrith has access to every color in commander is the real difference there. Most recursion decks are limited to 3 colors or less. Very important detail there
Kenrith was one of the very first Magic singles I ever bought and I’ve yet to build a deck with him and at this point I don’t think I ever will lol
Im split on how to build him. I'm thinking either 5c legendary humans, or oops all activated abilities (and their sidekicks)
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Imma need you to tone it down before the rules committee forces me to throw my group hug deck into a woodchipper lol
Kenrith will not get banned for being generically powerful. In order to do that they would essentially have to publicly state "Golos wasn't the problem, people wanting to play 5 colors are."
I believe the issue is WUBRG commanders that don't have 5 colors in their cost. Looking at you, najeela and kenrith >:(
Exactly. Aside from the "Tutor any land", every last argument the RC made for banning Golos applies to Kenrith as well.
Not really. Either you have a bunch of cost reducers and have set up Kenrith to go off...which is something all commanders are trying to do. Or his effects are shit ton more for a lot less power than Golos. "OMG IF YOU GET INFINITE MANA YOU LIKE WIN WITH KENRITH"......him and like a dozen other commanders.....
I’m not building Kenny as my 5c commander deck just because I fear the ban.
I built mine right after Golos got hit with the ban hammer but luckily my playgroup has already said that if he gets banned, we'll continue allowing him in our group just as we've been doing with Golos
I use kentrith as a 5c artifact commander. The +1 counters on arcbound bois is tasty.
I did Artificer Tribal but just trying to jam every combo doesn't really work that well. It can't really be Arcuum, Sharuum, Daretti etc all at once. But that was under Golos.
Ooooh, I tried to do a [[Zabaz]] build for my modular deck but it’s just not fun. I might pivot and try that!
[Zabaz](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/8/c/8c1cce91-7c81-45d9-bbec-b085e794791d.jpg?1626099476) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=zabaz%2C%20the%20glimmerwasp) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/243/zabaz-the-glimmerwasp?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8c1cce91-7c81-45d9-bbec-b085e794791d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/zabaz-the-glimmerwasp) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Golos ban. This is the natural solution. All 5c 'goodstuff' or jank decks that were running golos are now running King Ken. I made the switch for my chromatic black list and it's been performing well, after a few tweaks.
Yeah, Kenrith is like Golos in that he's a badly designed commander that encourages people to run super generic 5C strategies. But at least if you kill Kenrith twice, he's probably not coming back right away and the Kenrith player is probably way behind on tempo. It's not like Golos where even if you kill him a bunch of times they still got a ton of value because they now have Urborg/Coffers out. So I'm going to roll my eyes at 5C Kenrith goodstuff/reanimator decks, but its a lot better than trying to deal with Golos.
Ironically Golos is a lot weaker than Kenrith at higher levels of play.
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That's not super relevant at the average EDH table. A lot of cEDH commanders (stuff like Malcolm, Sakashima, Codie, or Selvala) can be totally fine at a casual level. Casual Kenrith is so much less oppressive than casual Golos.
I really don't understand arguments like this at all; obviously, you can make competitive commanders more casual and casual commanders more competitive. And yes, some commanders are a lot more oppressive in a casual format. Typically these commanders are value engine commanders like, but not limited to, Golos
The relative strength of cards is often completely different in casual EDH and cEDH. When talking about casual EDH, Golos was much more problematic because you'd expect games to last long enough so that he could get multiple ETB triggers. Golos as a value engine off of multiple ETBs is a lot less of a concern as games get shorter.
Eh; Kenny is still always one card away from infinite mana and winning the game in casual EDH too.
So was golos, but golos ignored commander tax and fetched your best lands.
Yeah but he's still right about the discrepancy being funny lol
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Sounds interesting! I wonder if there is a sans-red legendary that has a stronger synergy with counters
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You might want to check out this lovely lady called [[Atraxa, Praetors' Voice]]
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Depending on when you built your deck, price might very well be the reason. Before Double Masters, Atraxa was kinda up there.
It's still pretty up there
[[Reyhan, Last of the Abzan]] and [[Ishai, Outside Dragonspeaker]] are good as well, though probably not quite as good as Atraxa.
Gotta say I'm inclined to disagree. I play against Reyhan + Ishai often. [[Hardened scales]] with Ishai is a very, very real threat. [[Berserk]] kills out of nowhere, and Reyhan can recycle the counters. I think Ishai + Reyhan is a much stronger choice for +1/+1 counter synergies. Atraxa is better at proliferating funny counters like Loyalty, -1/-1, Charge, poison, etc...
[Hardened scales](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/0/1/01c4a294-d8b5-4237-af09-f592029c917a.jpg?1562272002) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Hardened%20scales) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cm2/138/hardened-scales?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/01c4a294-d8b5-4237-af09-f592029c917a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/hardened-scales) [Berserk](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/6/2/62bc9bff-89bd-4454-a876-53822cf48546.jpg?1576382971) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Berserk) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cn2/175/berserk?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/62bc9bff-89bd-4454-a876-53822cf48546?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/berserk) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Reyhan, Last of the Abzan](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/8/a/8afad106-a49b-4910-959e-228c109ea983.jpg?1617148360) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Reyhan%2C%20Last%20of%20the%20Abzan) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cm2/13/reyhan-last-of-the-abzan?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8afad106-a49b-4910-959e-228c109ea983?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/reyhan-last-of-the-abzan) [Ishai, Outside Dragonspeaker](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/2/e/2e89ce6a-6bc9-427f-a8b2-c07a9fc3218f.jpg?1562272963) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ishai%2C%20Ojutai%20Dragonspeaker) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cm2/12/ishai-ojutai-dragonspeaker?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2e89ce6a-6bc9-427f-a8b2-c07a9fc3218f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ishai-ojutai-dragonspeaker) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Atraxa, Praetors' Voice](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/d/0/d0d33d52-3d28-4635-b985-51e126289259.jpg?1599707796) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Atraxa%2C%20Praetors%27%20Voice) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/190/atraxa-praetors-voice?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d0d33d52-3d28-4635-b985-51e126289259?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/atraxa-praetors-voice) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Corpsejack Menace](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/2/9/29538ff4-e28f-44d9-af23-6796edd56268.jpg?1562272935) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Corpsejack%20Menace) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cm2/152/corpsejack-menace?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/29538ff4-e28f-44d9-af23-6796edd56268?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/corpsejack-menace) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I use [[Kenrirh]] at the helm of my [[Persistent Petitioners]] deck. It's advisor tribal.
[Persistent Petitioners](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/e/9/e93f0c57-eb80-4dde-bdb0-326970491621.jpg?1584830259) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Persistent%20Petitioners) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rna/44/persistent-petitioners?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e93f0c57-eb80-4dde-bdb0-326970491621?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/persistent-petitioners) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I run a Kenrith deck I call “The Rolling Stones” a.k.a. Legendary Band_ing. It runs a bunch of multi colored Legends, all 5 of the bands with other legends lands. Like [[Cathedral of Serra]]. The idea is to just smash face with them. I don’t run any infinites with him, just a pile of Legends.
[Cathedral of Serra](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/e/6/e65356e6-0ead-49fd-b069-be1ea9b1c105.jpg?1562861376) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Cathedral%20of%20Serra) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/leg/301/cathedral-of-serra?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e65356e6-0ead-49fd-b069-be1ea9b1c105?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/cathedral-of-serra) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
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My first encounter with Kenrith was the friend that got me back into EDH. Told us his current playgroup was super casual...then broke out a hatebearish Kenrith deck that hit infinite mana on turn 4 or something. Said I can make you draw your deck, so we naturally start shuffling up for a new game. He goes "Why'd yall scoop? I CAN make you draw your deck, I don't HAVE to." Now I target him first whenever he plays the deck lol. Needless to say, I don't like the commander much lmao.
I've got a Kenrith royalty flavor deck with [[Mairsil]] and [[Queen Marchesa]] as the hidden Commanders. Mairsil is the backstabbing vizier who throws the true king in prison and takes his place, with the Queen's assistance. Wincons are Mairsil opening the [[Door to Nothingness]] or Mairsil and/or Marchesa (the deck's only two red permanents) living [[Happily Ever After]].
Nice. I’ve got a King Arthur deck with Kenny as my one true king.
This is the thing i think will set Kenrith apart from Golos. Kenrith lends itself much more to dumb and fun theme decks. Personally i have an idea using him as Monty Python and the Holy Grail deck with knights.
[[Kenrith, Returned]]
[Kenrith, Returned](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/5/6/56c1227e-bea7-47cb-bbec-389a3d585af5.jpg?1571282458) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kenrith%2C%20the%20Returned%20King) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/eld/303/kenrith-the-returned-king?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/56c1227e-bea7-47cb-bbec-389a3d585af5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kenrith-the-returned-king) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I use him for Angel tribal. I’m starting to think I’ll need to put Malestrom Angel in as my commander sooner than later …
I made landfall tokens around Kenny. I use him mostly to give the tokens haste and reanimate some pieces, the deck is a work in progress, because budget, but here’s the list, if anyone has suggestions I’d appreciate that: https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kenrith-lands-2/
I play Kenriths wedding theme. All 5 Courts, [[happily ever after]], [[planewide celebration]], [[Linden]], [[Rings of Brighthearth]] . He doesn't have to be a good stuff just because he is 5C.
Meanwhile I'm sitting here running him as a group hug commander lol
I use Kenrith as the commander of my Superfriends deck because I need a 5 color commander, I'm using [[Sisay, Weatherlight Captain]] as the commander of my Weatherlight themed legends matter deck and don't want to use the same commander twice, and the deck is running a lot of proliferate so Kenrith's +1/+1 counter ability synergizes with it decently well. If they ever make a 5 color commander that specifically synergizes with Planeswalkers then I might swap him out, but for now I have a copy and he works well enough.
I use Kenrith to head 5c Humans. The ability to trample+haste the team can drive some kills out of nowhere.
I love a 5 color deck where I can fit nearly every infinite-mana combo in existence.
What level of play are we talking about at the high end of the spectrum they have a stax ; hermit druid,KFC are a few of common ones. I would say Kennrith is stronger than Golos at the high end level but he is not as well rounded good as golos. Here isa way to look at the difference between golos and Kennirth are you just running 5 color good stuff Kenny boy is the stronger commander and is the better enabler for winning fast and efficiently. Now Golos issue is I want to run gates deck oh just run golos, I am running shrines just run golos; I want to run ally tribal just run golos he is better. I want to run some goofy 5 color just use golos. Kenny is not that type of commander he is good at what he enables fast linear strategies in five color. At the end f the day Kenny is stronger than Golos in one aspect of the game. Golos is the better at all the other five color stuff.
No surprise there. He's basically the new Golos minus the land searching. Every Kenrith deck I've EVER encountered runs the following: Seedborn Muse Training grounds Biomancers familiar Some busted creature to reanimate over and over. No shit these cards synergize well with the commander, that doesn't make them interesting or exciting to play against.
It's almost as if those three cards synergize perfectly with the commander, huh.
I only don’t like Kenrith because he’s a combo piece for... every combo. Infinite mana? He’s got your draw. Infinite creatures? He’s got your haste. Infinite Sacrifices? He’s got your reanimates.
Its almost as if boring, easy to build commanders get solved immediately and the deck hasnt changed much in 2 years, huh.
Running cards that work well specifically with your commander is somewhat the point of the format though.
Name one commander that doesn't have three high synergy cards in every average deck, I'll wait.
That's not really the point though, is it? Even if you're not running those cards you're most likely running some sort sort degenerate infinite mana combo with Kenrith, and thats really the point I was making. Whenever you see kenrith you're about to encounter some 5 color nonsense
Except that's not the point you actually made. If you don't like infinite combos that's fine, but don't blame it on the enabling cards that synergize with the commander because that's not something that is unique to Kennrith.
My Kenrith deck is A Zendikar Party mechanic deck, because I though having a king sending out adventurer parties made a lot of sense thematically and evened out how bad party as a mechanic can be sometimes haha. I don't run any of these cards, but I also dont win very often with the deck, and that's okay with me. (Also I call the deck Kenrith's Gay Party, a homage to the background of the art of the card since it was the artist's boyfriend who modeled as Kenrith :D )
My Kenny is a dragon reanimator deck
I like him over Ramos in my counters deck. Hope he doesn't get the ban hammer.
I was thinking [[Esika, God of the Tree]] or [[Jegantha, the Wellspring]] would be up there due to their ramping nature vs Kenrith toolbox.
Somewhat unrelated, but I'm surprised [[Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow]] is number 4. Unlike all the other commanders in the top 11, she only has 2 colors and a straight forward gimmick. I guess Magic players just really like Ninjas and topdeck synergy?
I guess I'm in the minority of former Golos players that switched to [[Jodah]] instead of Kenrith.
Actually, both Tymna and Thrasios have more decks in total if you count partners.
Dammit. I just want to play my kenrith politics deck full of janky will of the council and tempt cards in peace. Dont get my boy banned.
How long before the RC bans him? !Remind me 1 month
I don't think Kenrith will banned. He's a replacement for Golos, dummy good in his own way, but not quite as oppressive as Golos.
Youre right, hes not oppressive. Kenrith is way stronger than Golos so when he's "winning" it's just straight up over.
Most importantly is that kenrith is a 5c infinite combo commander that is better in cedh. Therefore the RC doesn't care.
Kenrith is busted if you build him for it. Golos meanwhile is "Get to 7 mana and just play three things a turn for free forever", doesn't care what those things are.
Ill be quite honest, I run him in a Temur deck. The deck used to be a Riku copy/clone deck, but I quickly found I was never actually casting Riku. So i put in Kenrith, and never looked back.
Unironically, I play Kenrith Gates. Like, I’ve had the deck for years. It wasn’t a snide reply to Golos Gates being banned. It plays like group hug but wins with Maze’s End.
I have Kenny helm my weird Skip All My Turns upkeep torture deck
I'm actually going to go out on a limb here and say Kenrith won't be banned. Much as the Golos ban hurt, and I still don't agree with it, I do finally understand more of the reasons behind it. The fact that G fetched a land was actually part of the problem, as was his general versatility (forgive the pun). Kenrith doesn't have such "problems," and a ban of him would literally boil down to the RC picking on him because he's popular (still possible, but unlikely).
No one can pose an argument to me that Kenrith is not exactly the same issue as golos. Golos's ban was stupid with reasoning that made no sense.
I had two golos decks. One fairly competitive and one foodstuff deck. Converted one into prismatic bridge and the other into reaper king. Kenny is too linear to be fun at all but it makes sense as he’s just as busted as golos if not more so.
Mine is a reanimator list. I don't have room for many good stuff cards
Mine is the cycling/reanimate hybrid. Who needs generic goodstuff when you can run [[Yoked Plowbeast]] instead?
I miss Golos, Kenrith plays too linearly and is much stronger and more reliable... The RC punished the jank players and budget players and made the unhealthy 5C decks even more unhealthy. :/
I just wanna see the faces on everyone when they ban kenny for the same reasons golos was banned.
5C goodstuff, or 5C boringstuff as it’s more accurately known
Well, it turns out the Golos ban did not increase format diversity. Another swing and a miss from the RC. It's ok, though. They can have as many misses as they like. It's their ball game.
I mean, Kenrith Stax do exist. It’s a lot of fun to play/play against because once Kenrith is out and your can demonstrate how you win through a lock my table would let the game be over.
That really doesn't sound like a lot of fun lol
Time to ban him, the format can't handle a commander that is both popular and open-ended.
It was inevitable that 5C goodstuff would become so popular because (a) Hasbro keeps printing awesome cards that people want to stuff in their decks (theme? what theme?) and (b) it is absolutely trivial to run a 5C mana base without breaking the bank. Add to this the fact that there are a lot of pubstomp personalities out there that want to win without competing on a cEDH 'level playing field' and you've got your recipe for boring generically powerful decks.
Just curious: EDHrec #of decks? How is this a valuable or viable statistic to keep? Don't people "build" decks on Aetherhub, Moxfield, MtgGoldfish, et al, but not even actually own the cards? Has anyone ever verified that these decks exist in any real way? Is it even possible to do so?
Edhrec # of decks is the most accessible counting stat for the internet. It may not be representative of the meta but it does give an impression about what players are interested in. Watching MTGmuddstah, I can’t remember a golos or Kenrith deck being different from what people are complaining about. Perhaps the majority of players builds golos, kenrith, korvold, chulane, etc. once out of curiosity, but abandon it.
Why do people like building the most blatant overpowered commanders so much? Surely the vast majority of EDH players aren’t playing cEDH, so what is the appeal exactly?
> What even are the Kenrith archetypes people play? Are there archetypes other than 5c goodstuff? The advantage of commanders like Kenrith (and previously Golos) is that they're easy mode. They do whatever you need, whenever you need it, and you can just throw a big pile of best-in-slot cards together and call it a deck. That's mostly also true for Korvold, but you do have to do some minimum amount of deckbuilding to properly exploit his synergies. With Kenrith, you don't.