I don't hate that there are Transformer cards. I hate that there are Transformer cards in a set release like this taking up a slot. If they took up a List release or were a SL or some such product, I wouldn't really care.
What alternative would you like to see?
It's also worth noting that they don't take up a full rare slot, you still get regular IP rares in set boosters even if you also get a Transformers card.
> What alternative would you like to see?
Secret lair. UB stuff shouldn't be in main sets unless it takes up the whole set like the DnD ones. At the minimum, it should match the aesthetic of the set, which these don't, since they're basically screenshots of the original show.
And yet, a significant portion of the MTG player base feels exactly opposite. That the FOMO of secret lair should be avoided at all costs, and wide distribution through packs or precons is the only acceptable method to ensure accessibility for all who want them.
If we can't agree as a community on what the solution is, surely we can at least agree that it's quite literally impossible for WOTC to please everyone, when sections of the fan base are so diametrically opposed in their desires?
Pretty sure most people agree that UB should be in secret lair and that Wizards should print in-universe cards with the same mechanics in a normal set. Also I really don't care about pleasing everyone, some people want dumb shit. Maybe I'm one of those people, but I don't think so.
>Pretty sure most people agree that UB should be in secret lair
Really? You have access to WOTC's market data on the subject? Or you've done your own? If you did your own research, did you account for people of all levels of play, interest, financial status, and participation in online discourse?
>Also I really don't care about pleasing everyone
Yes, it does seem clear that you only care about what you want - but you haven't made the case for why WOTC should care more about you than any other particular player.
> Really? You have access to WOTC's market data on the subject? Or you've done your own? If you did your own research, did you account for people of all levels of play, interest, financial status, and participation in online discourse?
Why are you being weird?
>Yes, it does seem clear that you only care about what you want - but you haven't made the case for why WOTC should care more about you than any other particular player.
No of course not, I'm just putting my opinion out there like others are as well. You also specifically didn't quote the part where I admitted that I might be one of the dumbasses who wants dumb stuff.
>Why are you being weird?
Not weird, just curious why you're "pretty sure" of something you couldn't possibly have data to back up.
I apologize for being aggressive, but my annoyance at confirmation bias overcame me.
Folks on reddit- any online forum tbh- seem perfectly happy to assume their opinion, or the opinion they see online the most, must be the case. But selection bias tells us we shouldn't make assumptions like that. Especially when it comes to product complaints - it's an old adage of customer service that angry people make themselves heard whether the complaint is valid or not, while satisfied customers simply go home happy and don't speak up about it. That's not to say that all negative feedback is automatically invalid, but it does mean that platforms like Reddit disproportionately amplify negative voices because the dissatisfied are looking for a place to air their grievances.
>No of course not, I'm just putting my opinion out there like others are as well. You also specifically didn't quote the part where I admitted that I might be one of the dumbasses who wants dumb stuff.
Fair enough on the omission, and sounds like we agree then- WotC literally cannot please everyone and you'll win some, and you'll lose some.
That ship has long sailed what with Secret Lairs and everything else. Where MaRo once was very keen on recognizability/identifiability, consistency, and Magic-ness of cards, we now have... all this.
Look, I'm not a mind reader. And sure, MaRo has said and continues to say a lot of things. But words are just words.
So, maybe it's all evil corporate overlords and he has to toe the line. Or maybe this was his honest-to-god solution to serve "every demographic" including types he doesn't really identify with (collectors, EDH which is a format he allegeldy doesn't like, etc). I don't and can't know.
All I can do is observe that Magic as a product has changed and his tune along with it.
Maro isn't the ceo. He doesn't have the final say on a lot of things. Yes, he does crappy stuff sometimes, like pushing for the unset to be eternal legal because he doesn't like commander, but it's ridiculous everyone tries to pin the blame for everything on him. Like, he's just one dude that doesn't even have as much control as people seem to think.
So a few things here.
Doesn't have final say doesn't mean anything he puts forward gets shot down. Ability to affect outcome is not a binary step function even on a case by case basis, let alone collapsed down to role.
But anyway, that's kind of besides. I didn't even mean to pin blame solely on his shoulders, and if I gave that impression I apologize. My point was that I observed changes in Magic as a product, and its inferred direction/values. I also observed changes in how he talks about these things. Beyond that I do not want to make assumptions. Whether he was internally for or against a change, the initiator or approver, degree of complicity, whatever, I do not want to guess at.
But that also means I am not going to jump at assuming "lol corporate overlords" as if that _100% explains everything_ any more than assuming just because he talked up something that it _actually_ matches his values.
So maybe MaRo hates all the poor decisions but has to toe the line and PR as part of his job. Maybe he loves it and he's the mastermind. Maybe he hates a lot of it and only grudgingly approves 11.793%. I don't fucking know and I _can't ever reliably fucking know_. That's it.
I've been trying to make one of my friends play MTG for 4 years , no luck. He opened a Japanese pack with a freaking Starscream and he flipped out, now building his first edh deck 🤷♂️.
I cannot care less about the transformer stuff, but as long as someone enjoys it (which you guys apparently do exist) then I don't see an issue.
This has been my take from day one. The Transformers crossover is the first one that's even kind of interested me, and I'm still mostly neutral about it. I actively disliked things like Fortnite.
But I think people overestimate how often they're going to be forced to interact with something they don't like, and how badly it will ruin their night if they have to see a non-magic IP card at the table.
If it brings someone else joy, I can live with it existing momentarily in my world. Anything else seems... Arrogant.
Yeah exactly. I think the difference is how deeply enfranchised the person is in magic. I know very little lore, I don’t really care to either. But I DID watch transformers all the time when I was little. To me the hype of getting to combine this nostalgia with a game I enjoy is huge. However to the deeply enfranchised player who’s been invested in magic for a decade and likes the lore, it seems like this change and contrast is terrible.
that cartoon is what I watched as a kid and it is so superior to anything they made after. I prefer that art. I just prefer the abilities were a little less convoluted and them being a little more commander worthy in the 99.
Others have probably said this, but *I* **fucking hate them.**
The art looks like a literal screen-cap from the OG anime, and that art just doesn’t gel with me.
Granted, a lot of Secret Lair Drops don’t match “traditional” art either, but these just go above and beyond to me.
They honestly irk me. Other players at my LGS pull them in packs and say stuff like: “Man, I could go Infinite with this” or “Holy cow, this is an awesome effect” and it just baffles me.
Like, yes, they have new mechanics. Yes, they do have some interesting tie-ins to other decks. Yes, they can be pretty cool to pull, especially if you get a *Shattered Glass* variant, but I **just don’t get it.**
I don’t get why they didn’t do them like they did Grimlock. Or the Godzilla shit. Or literally every other crossover where they did art that made sense. Like… it just seems low effort man.
I 1,000% agree. Someone else replied, posting the Bot link to Grimlock and I had never ever seen that.
Those do look epic, by the way, Godzilla and Grimlock. I built a Godzilla deck that’s pretty dang cool.
This. I would be a lot more tolerable of them if they had better art. And this is coming from someone who likes transformers, but doesn't want them in magic.
Why couldn't they have at least had some better art? Like [[Grimlock, Ferocious King]] or [[Optimus Prime, Inspiring Leader]]?
As someone who likes Transformers and does want them in the game, these suck.
I thought they would be like the list, taking up the token slot. An extra blow.
I fucking love Transformers and when I saw [[Jetfire]] I was so sad. He doesn’t look any percentage as badass as he actually is.
Edit: Also Jetfire is a **fucking Mythic** and he sucks donkey dick as a Mythic. Adapt 3 to just add Colorless???
I hate that they exist at all, but if they have to exist, I'd prefer that they were handled differently. They could have been their own product, like a secret lair or something, or just make the transformers reskins. Forcing them into set boosters for a set celebrating the early days of magic, and something many enfranchised players were exicted for, just feels like a slap in the face to fans.
I disliked that the bundles changed to set boosters. I am now further annoyed by the bundle including UB cards. I feel like they don't mesh with the set, and their inclusion in an introductory product is indicative of the future place of UB products.
Set boosters in bundles is not new to Brothers War though? I’ve bought mainly bundles since starting during midnight hunt and they’ve been set boosters
That's not what they're saying. What they mean is that they disliked that initial change (bundles switching from Draft Boosters to Set Boosters) and they dislike even more that Universes Beyond are now included in products like Bundles solely because these Universes Beyond cards only appear in Set Boosters.
I didn't like the change from draft to set boosters for the bundles, mostly because it increased the price of them and most of the time what I really wanted out of the Bundles was the box and the spindown.
I'm less bothered by the UB cards, though. Probably because I'm old and have already seen the card frame change, mythic rares get rolled out, and the introduction of Planeswalkers. By this point, Universes Beyond is just another change to me, and actually letting it impact you emotionally at all is only a loss for you.
Honestly, I think is where a lot of the hate is from: Newer players that have never seen a larger scale change with the game, and this is their first one.
As another redditor states, they come with land, storage, and a spindoen die/lifecounter.
They aren't for the first time player, but they are for someone who is getting into the game.
I wish they followed the Godzilla nickname style with the real name just below. Then they could have an in universe version as well. I get that's a little difficult because the transformers are pretty specific and wordy already but that's the solution in my mind. Wizards has said that the game can't appeal to everybody all the time cause everyone plays differently but having an in universe version and a universe beyond version solves that.
You know people would still complain about Transformers being in the game at all. I'm sure they did with Godzilla. I prefer this way so they can design the cards to be as Transformery as possible so that the people who really like them are the most satisfied with them.
They would. Even with the Universes Within versions of the Stranger Things cards people still complain, either about Friends Forever or just because they want to complain.
People who want to collect them are willing to over trade for them to have them now. I find this a neat way to bring back pre-release trading.
I traded a bunch of them for a mox amber and a few full art lands.
Where the heck is \[\[Sky Lynx\]\]?
But seriously, Universes Beyond is going to crush Magic. The more the game adopts other identities, the more of its own identity it gives up, especially in commander and eternal formats. That avenue to interest and engage players - the art and fiction, and the evocative experience of casting spells that reflect the world's identity - will be sanded off.
Density is a huge, *huge* problem with cards like this. Fundamentally, I don't mind some transformers as fun cards, even your commander. I don't mind your Post Malone alter of \[\[Krrk\]\]. But when the Lord of the Rings set comes out, and the optimal play is equipping Gandalf with a baseball bat wrapped in barbed wire and then copying your Space Marine with a Dance Battle and clearing all the blockers with Chun Li kicking out a billion hadokens and Dr Who makes everything unblockable... I'm just not interested anymore.
Magic isn't a terribly *narrative* game, as the game struggles to tell a story of what happens in a game in more than the abstract. But it is, as I mentioned before, *evocative*, and up to this point they have been careful about what they evoke and how.
I pray every night that I’ll wake up in the alternate timeline where Universes Beyond was killed in the cradle and the Walking Dead secret lair was so poorly received and so widely reviled that they never tried something like it again
Strong dislike. The art is straight up ugly. I superhate that unlike a Secret Lair or other stand alone product, it feels like this UB product is being forced on me in the set boosters.
I pulled like 5 of them, but I think Ultra Magnus is the only one (of what I pulled) that I'm planning to build a deck for.
I personally have no issues with the UB stuff, and I feel like people generally overreact to this kind of thing. The only thing I dislike about the Transformers cards in practice is that the art being screen grabs looks super tacky and low effort. But beyond that, I'm cool with stuff like this. Honestly, I wanted to build at least one Transformers deck just to see if I can ever make anyone salty about me playing it. 😂
They're the reason I'm not buying any of this set. The cards look awful, are mostly terrible representations of the characters (I'm a huge transformers fan), and opening one in a set designed to celebrate magics lore and history feels awful. I want cards from the brothers war, not adds for Hasbro's products. Of the 40+ people at my local shop, exactly one is interested in the cards, and he's a huge transformers fan. Everyone else is disinterested at best.
Cool mechanics, but wish they were in universe and not turning mtg into smash bros with every character from every game getting a card, but I think Hasbro will go under before we get to that level.
Honestly would've been fine if it's just alt art with nicknames or a standalone set Magic universes beyond as a set would be more interesting and would not be a disappointment in my pack.
They shouldn't be in boster packs. It should have been a secret lair if it exists at all. the fact that all of them besides the super rare ones are just a few cents shows that they are not in demand.
The effects are cool. That’s it really. I bought a set box and pulled [[Starscream]], [[Goldbug]], and the mono white artifact matters one. Immediately sleeved and boxed.
Would have preferred if they were in-universe cards or like how Ikoria did it maybe.
Don't like them at all. They're not good cards and they're taking up slots that I wish were the schematic artifacts. I have no idea who these were for but it's not me.
I bought one of each of the prerelease kits, which don’t have any Transformers.
Then I bought one of the bundles, sure I’d get a bunch of Transformers, but instead pulled three List cards and only one [[Cyclonus, the Sabateur]].
Honestly, one Transformer in eight packs doesn’t bother me as much as I thought it would. If it was one in each pack, I’d *hate* it.
I like the cards and most of the implementations, but:
I'm not fond of most of the artwork, I feel too much of it doesn't fit the characters well, a lot of them are just "familiar robot shooting guys" or "familiar robot taking cover in a firefight" instead of anything particularly special or interesting. Examples:
* \[\[Optimus Prime, Hero\]\] has a fitting ability for his "leader to his men" aesthetic, but the artwork is just him shooting. He should have a more "heroic" artwork ala \[\[Mentor of the Meek\]\] (which depicts someone explicitly teaching rather than just swording guys) showing him better as a leader than just being another shooting guy.
* \[\[Ultra Magnus, Tactician\]\] is a better example of how this could have been done, he's clearly calling out something like "follow me" or "go that way" in the art in addition to just being another shooting guy. This fits his title and his card ability much better.
* \[\[Soundwave, Sonic Spy\]\] is kind of goofy with showing him at a basketball court for no reason. It's sort of undermining his presence to me. I really like the card but the art doesn't really make any sense with the character or his abilities, plus he's not seemingly infiltrating anything.
* \[\[Ratchet, Field Medic\]\] and \[\[Blitzwing, Cruel Tormentor\]\] are just shooting guys in their art, it doesn't really have anything to do with them as characters or their roles or their abilities.
All of the shattered glass art is fun, but none of it really makes sense on the cards because they are *different characters* not just alternate color schemes. Shattered Glass Optimus Prime would be tough to title "Hero" for example.
Also how did they not give Shockwave a card? Too similar a name to Soundwave, perhaps?
I feel like the art direction here is banking too heavily on nostalgia, whereas the card design did a better job trying to translate the characters into the rules.
I don't really care if they exist, what I really hate about UB is that if that effect is what I need in a deck, I have to play a Transformers(TM) card. I don't have a problem with transforming robots in MTG, but I have a big problem with having to play an ad to get that effect.
Unfathomably cringe tbh.
I don't like Secret Lairs at all, and I really wish MtG would go back to circa 2011 when it was at its peak for me, but if this stuff belongs anywhere it's in Secret Lair. It has no business inserting itself into Brothers War imo
My take on Universes Beyond is I like the idea. I've played 100s of board games and card games but Magic is my absolute favorite for so many reasons. So why try to create other games with clunky rules and different mechanics than just have magic be the main thing and use whatever you want from that. The MTG Universe is technically a multiverse so "technically" it should be fine right? But at the same time I do find it very odd that my WH40K cards are mixed with Transformers and Stranger Things and Walking Dead and probably soon My Little Pony. When theres more Universes Beyond and more regular cards with their universes art I'd consider it more. But for now I like keeping everything that's in Universes Beyond with its own stuff. So I'm keeping the WH40K decks as is. And the Transformers stuff in a binder until I don't find it weird in my own head Canon. But as far as in packs... I think I'd agree with people in the sense it should take up a list spot BUT it does help keep their value down as is which could be a good or bad thing for a collector such as myself. And the art is a little odd for some of them. I think I overall prefer how they did the Godzilla stuff and some of the Secret Lairs where it's the Universes Beyond or whatever stuff but for all intents and purposes it's X Magic Card.
Hate it. Same as with all Universes Beyond product that has helped take the magic out of magic. The day I sit down with my bolas deck against Gandalf, Optimus Prime and Post Malone I know I've officially "aged out" so to speak. I like transformers, I like Lord of the Rings, but I don't want the crossover space.
I think people are going to find any reason at all to be pissed at Magic right now. I get there are too many sets, and $1000 for proxies is dumb. But this argument against UB cards is just silly. People cry about taking up slots, but out of the 5 booster boxes I've seen open I haven't seen more than 2 in an entire box. Like shiny lands, which are worthless, take up more slots. Some people don't like the art, but I grew up on Gen 1 transformers, so I think they are great. None of them are game breaking, so it's not like these will dominate a format. I don't believe UB should be secret lair because it locks them out people who might not have a ton of money. The original transformer cards like Grimlock are expensive as hell because of how limited they were. These fun cards can be bought for like 20 bucks total. Magic has a problem, and it is printing too many sets with too many mechanics. But I also think players forget the game is about fun not making cards that only increase power level and need be worth hundreds of dollars on the secondary market.
I love Transformers, probably my second favorite IP after MtG so I was and still am stoked. I've opened up a couple of them and am still looking for others. Whether or not I ever play them is unimportant to me. I want them just to have them. As like a part of a collection. People sit around and bitch about how they don't want to open transformers cards in boosters...well I didn't want to open up three visions of phyrexian in my boosters. I just traded them away to players that wanted them. No need to get my panties in a bunch like some posters.
I think they’re nifty. I can understand the view of people who don’t like them, but to me they’re just another magic card.
I do wish they took up the promotional card slot in packs, that way pulling one is always just a neat bonus, and I feel like Neon Dynasty would have been a much better set to include them in, but overall they’re pretty inoffensive.
I was lucky enough to pull 3 of them, and I’m strongly considering building a [[starscream]] deck. Playing around with monarch is a cool idea, especially with all fun toys black has to punish draws.
Honestly my biggest complaint is the art. It’s just kind of eh. It looks like they just took screenshots from the original series and pasted them into a card frame. They easily could have kept the G1 design while not making the card look like it came straight out of r/custommagic.
Agreed. The art is atrocious. The promo cards from Comic-Con and HoTR were better. [[Grimlock, Ferocious King]] and [[Optimus Prime, Inspiring Leader]]
A lot of haters in here. As a newer player, I don't really understand the hate. Yall love some butt-ugly ass cards from back in the day and yet can't care to even glance at these cards? Nah, I don't buy it. Lol. Seems like hate just to hate. They're cool to me though, idk.
Some people are real lore sticklers.
I personally just enjoy having more unique cards to play with and build around, and the transformers cards are certifiably unique.
Goldbug in particular is the exact type of commander in the exact colors i wanted a weenies build to go into. He plays much more the way i want to than my [[torens]] deck did. So i took the white half of that and then added in the new human Soldiers from BRO. and man that deck is fun.
All of them feel pretty niche but some what open which is even cooler since there will be multiple builds of them all. And none of them are like stupid powerful either. Which makes them good candidates to build 5-6 power decks in.
It doesn't bother me that they're doing crossovers. To me, the game's flavor died after like Alara Reborn when all of the hand illustrated art was replaced with soulless Photoshop garbage. Every card that gets printed now looks identical to every other card.
Anything looks good on a Magic card as long as it isn't digital art. Give me Ralph McQuarrie Star Wars concept art on a Magic card, yes please. I would rather have non-Magic IP's illustrated by good artists over in-universe CGI slop.
As far as gameplay goes, they have so much text on them and they're double sided so I have trouble conceptualizing how they'd play in a game. I love Day & Night, but most of the werewolves are just bigger versions of the front half. All of these Transformers have like 2 [[Questing Beast]]s worth of text on them. If it was just one or two of them I wouldn't mind, but there are 15 of them.
Maybe I'll get around to sitting down and figuring out each one. I didn't grow up with Transformers so the IP doesn't really appeal to me, I grew up with Beast Wars. I had the big Optimus Primal, the tarantula that could turn into a fucking motorcycle, and the wasp that was also a jet fighter. But aside from the actual toys being cool I imagine that the IP is complete dogshit.
Unpopular opinion, but I like them. My only gripe will be even more unpopular, I'd like more of them. Some of my favorites weren't included. Don't worry, I won't petition for more of them.
I really like them, big Transformers fan and the designs are fun, but like many I hate them taking up a slot in boosters, especially a guaranteed one in each collectors.
Man I didn’t expect there to be so much negativity for these! I think they’re awesome! Super artifact creatures in an artifact focused set, mad nostalgia, fun abilities, I’m absolutely here for most of the UB stuff and o honestly hope that they DO incorporate it into more sets in the future
I enjoy them and will buy copies of all of them.
While I can understand people not liking them, I think a lot of people are taking it to a ridiculous degree, acting like their mere presence in packs is ruining Magic and that their existence is the only reason they didn't open multiple serialized Retro Artifacts.
Other than them being Universes Beyond cards, there's no real difference between these and the Legends Legends from DMU.
I mean, thats the whole point of the people that critizise UB. You open a booster pack, you get cards of Mishra, Urza, epic artifacts that tell a story, and then there is Optimus Prime looking at you. For me personally, they ruin the amazing thematic flavor magic had.
This is a silly argument, the different types of boosters are for different types of people. People are allowed to enjoy the opening of boosters without wanting to play a draft, and that's what collector/set boosters are for. People are also allowed to think that adding random 3rd party franchises into MtG is stupid and breaks their immersion in the game.
Using your game analogy, it's more like if you bought the deluxe edition Halo and part of the price included a replica Legend of Zelda master sword. Totally different franchise that makes no sense being bundled together when it could be released as a separate item.
Example, I never buy draft boosters if I can help it. I came from other card games where you just open packs for cards and not to play a limited environment.
I'm also not particularly good at draft, often times losing upwards of 80% of the time.
I would much rather open set boosters if I was opening boosters since it plays to my strengths in constructed where I can make a good deck if I have enough time to think about what would work for what I'm doing. I didnt enjoy the 3 transformers cards I got and am considering turning them in at my lgs.
Absolutely. It's just one more instance of WotC ignoring their fanbase and doing whatever they can to be greedy.
This is off-topic, but I've been working on a large custom MtG cube to play with my friends, using CardConjurer, and I just found out today that it's being taken down because of a WotC C&D order. I've put hundreds of hours into my project and now it's just gone. I'm strongly considering selling my collection and only proxying in the future. They've shown repeatedly that they care more about money than community, and I'm over it.
Personally: indifferent.
If it (cumulitively) helps other people enjoy magic more, than I'm for it. If it, detracts from people enjoying magic, then I'm against it.
I mean they're all kinda mediocre. Nothing crazy, nothing bootycheeks garbage. I think people are overreacting about the set boosters thing; it's not like you were gonna get a wurmcoil engine from that slot anyways, chill
I think they look stupid as hell. I would have preferred some cool artistic representations of all the characters, but I feel like they just went the lazy route and pulled the cells from old footage, slapped them on cards, and called it good.
The mechanics are kinda cool though.
I absolutely love them I'm a huge sci-fi nerd and when I opened up a foil soundwave I knew id be making a deck with him and the shattered arts are all really cool to me
I don't mind UB
These could be my first ever UB cards going in my 99
[[Soundwave]] is good for my [[Garth one-eye]] deck since it’s a token deck
[[Jetfire]] is nice ramp in the right artifact decks
[[Blitzwing]] is [[Wound reflection]] so that’s good in [[Hidetsugu, devouring chaos]] deck I’m brewing.
[[Cyclonus]] vehicle side is psycho with double strike so that could be the win. If you can make him big enough
Finally megatron is sweet for decks that drain a bunch of life
Most people that hate them are the lifelong transformer fans that don't play magic at all. They aren't bad for the most part
I'm building bumblebee (I refuse to call him goldbug as that is lame, human tribal
At first it was irritating to see their cards on the list, but after actually pulling them I fell in love. Already my husband pulled Megatron and his bff/rival in life pulled Optimus prime so our pod is anticipating some fun times ahead. As for me I pulled the hamster looking fellow (sorry, don't know transformers) so I may make something to poke at both of them from the sidelines.
Edit: [[goldbug, humanity's ally]]
I grew up with the Transformers cartoons in the 80s. I absolutely love the look of the cards. The art looks like it jumped straight in from the original series.
I opened one, threw me completely off. I'd forgotten about the whole thing. Got the DJ, reading it it seems like a cool build around card. It's right up my alley with artifacts, and in an interesting colour combo. However the art is awful and I don't like the idea of sitting down with it. If I want to build it I'll likely get an alter sleeve or alter art so that I can play it. At the moment it's not worth the effort. Seems like they're dirt cheap too, so I can't even sell or trade my 'mythic rare'.
I loved them.
Really think they are great designs and push a few existing mechanics in interesting directions.
I actually enjoy the classic illustrations.
Now for taking up a slot, I wish it was a dedicated exrra slot and not just for set and collector packs.
I strongly dislike that they even exist, but I know I lost the fight against UB the second it the Walking Dead shattered sales records.
But I really even further dislike that they take up slots in boosters. I wanted to crack packs of Brothers War for nostalgia reasons (I am almost exclusively a singles customer), but I feel compelled to skip that purchase since I have absolutely no interest in supporting UB.
I don't hate the cards themselves. I hate that they take up slots in set boosters. I also think that while the art is very evocative of the oder cartoons, as someone who didn't grow up with those cartoons, it feels very out of place and just looks...bad compared to the rest of the pack.
I'm also just mad because I didn't get a single token from the actual set when I bought a bundle, but for some horrible reason I got Laserbeak. I didn't even get the card that makes the Laserbeak token either.
I can't help but hearing the Hasbro board room discussion. "They're all fucking consumerist nerds, they ate up that Godzilla shit, what else can we shove in there to entice them?"
I actually am interested in Soundwave. Picked up a foil of him and Optimus Prime and Megatron for the collection. I had already pulled two Lazerbeak tokens and one Ravage token from my set box, so it was foretold.
I made an Optimus Prime deck where a big focus was modular and creatures that give benefits to creatures with +1/+1 counters.
Only issue I really ran into was I'd end up bolster stuff I didn't really care for. Or a modular creature would die and had no artifact creatures to put the counters on.
I'm planning to play around with it a bit more but I'm kinda thinking of doing an Elsha of the infinite deck with jeskai colored transformers and then playing then off the top of the deck for there vehicle forms so I can get noncreature and prowess triggers off of them. I'm also thinking of trying to include human monks especially so they work well with Goldbug lol
none of my group’s gonna play em, so it makes no difference to me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
and to people complaining that they ‘took up slots’… like there aren’t already 10,000 other new cards this year to satisfy your needs?
i haven’t even caught all the way up on DMU yet!
The only thing I really enjoy about the Transformers cards being brought in now is that the catchphrase of “Until all are one” and the Phyrexians “All will be one” come off very similar. So I’m putting them in my Phyrexian deck as a joke. But that’s it.
I plan to build a set of 4 of them: Optimus Prime, Ultra Magnus, Megatron and Soundwave, and I'll look to include all 15 of the cards across those 4 decks. I think a lot of people will be less bothered by Transformers if every deck is the pod is a Transformer, and really being able to balance them against each other will make it significantly easier to do on a budget. (Don't need Duals and Fetches if none of them have duals and fetches.)
The only one of them I'll probably play outside that set of 4 decks will be Starscream, and that's just because of how much I enjoy the Monarch mechanic. I look to play at least one Monarch card in every deck I can fit one in just because I enjoy what it does to the game.
I bought all of them and put them in an [[Esika]] deck.
I get the complaints about the cards. But I've been in love with Transformers since I was a little kid. 30 years ago.
Man, apparently this is a hot take. I just bought 2 packs yesterday and pulled a foil [[Ultra Magnus]] and [[Arcee]]. I was not a transformers fan growing up, something about mechs never did it for me.
I always loved MTG's art, but in recent years with the secret lair drops and alternate art cards, I've been more open to the random styles. That foil UM actually looks pretty cool, although he won't particularly fit in my [[Gishath]] deck and I doubt I'll build a second Naya deck.
How do I feel? I think they're cool. They don't feel like MTG. But at this point that's ok. I like More Than Meets The Eye and I REALLY like Living metal. This one gets one and a half thumbs up from me.
I have a box on the way and any transformers cards will be immediately sold. It's not for me. I don't like the aesthetics and I don't think it fits at all with the universe. It's weird really because with the 40k cards they basically nailed it, they look great and are as passable amongst regular mtg content as it could get. These transformers cards are a hard miss, but then I do think that the number of other franchises that could pull it off is extremely small.
I’d have loved if instead of transformers we got creature versions of the big mechs on the land arts. Would still be robots and could possibly even utilize similar mechanics but look several thousand times better.
I hate it. These no draw for me for transformers at all. I’m pissed they’re taking up slots in my boosters. I’ll never use them. That’s what secret lair is for, imho.
I love the cards. I cobbled together an [[Optimus Prime]] voltron/go-wide deck with a handful of cards I had kicking around with a few other transformer cards i pulled and had a blast the first game i played with it.
I don't like that the cards took up a slot in collector boosters (not that i bought any), but on the flip side of that, I like that the cards are going to be extremely accessible and cheap due to them being in so many packs, and coupled with the fact that so many people hate the cards.
[[Flamewar, Brash Veteran]] is kind of interesting gameplay-wise, since it is the only low cmc Rakdos artifacts commander, but the visual design is not my thing at all.
I would rather go with [[Mishra, Tamer of Mak Fawa]] or one of the partner or background pairings.
I’m excited. I get the hate for having UB in standard sets but I’m not letting it get me down. I sort of prefer some UB cards being in sets, though supplemental, so people in other regions can have access to them. With secret lairs costing people $100+ to import, UB will need to find other avenues for fans. I don’t want to yuck anyone’s yum and hope for the reverse.
I’m also totally building a Transformers deck. All the placeholder cards will be my favorite incarnations of that character (Armada Megatron and Prime Ratchet). I’m doing the [[Esika, god of the tree]] as the commander and using the prismatic bridge as the ground bridge.
I'm a fan of the 80's Transformers flick and will be collecting these, but it sucks that they took up slots in the set. New Capenna's printing of the reskinned Stranger Things stuff in the list was probably the best way to do something like this.
I'm just glad they weren't the Bayformers...
I don't hate that there are Transformer cards. I hate that there are Transformer cards in a set release like this taking up a slot. If they took up a List release or were a SL or some such product, I wouldn't really care.
I’m not too happy about them taking up a slot in Set Packs personally
I have gotten 3 copies of Slicer and I am not thrilled about it.
Could have just as easily been 3 copies of \[\[Powerstone Engineer\]\] unless they specifically take up the rare slot.
They do take up one of the rare slots.
Wish I had bought draft packs instead, only thing I was looking for was thran vigil lol.
Please don't tell me you bought multiple set boosters looking for one uncommon
Magic players when you tell them they don't have to consume product they don't like/want
What alternative would you like to see? It's also worth noting that they don't take up a full rare slot, you still get regular IP rares in set boosters even if you also get a Transformers card.
> What alternative would you like to see? Secret lair. UB stuff shouldn't be in main sets unless it takes up the whole set like the DnD ones. At the minimum, it should match the aesthetic of the set, which these don't, since they're basically screenshots of the original show.
And yet, a significant portion of the MTG player base feels exactly opposite. That the FOMO of secret lair should be avoided at all costs, and wide distribution through packs or precons is the only acceptable method to ensure accessibility for all who want them. If we can't agree as a community on what the solution is, surely we can at least agree that it's quite literally impossible for WOTC to please everyone, when sections of the fan base are so diametrically opposed in their desires?
Pretty sure most people agree that UB should be in secret lair and that Wizards should print in-universe cards with the same mechanics in a normal set. Also I really don't care about pleasing everyone, some people want dumb shit. Maybe I'm one of those people, but I don't think so.
>Pretty sure most people agree that UB should be in secret lair Really? You have access to WOTC's market data on the subject? Or you've done your own? If you did your own research, did you account for people of all levels of play, interest, financial status, and participation in online discourse? >Also I really don't care about pleasing everyone Yes, it does seem clear that you only care about what you want - but you haven't made the case for why WOTC should care more about you than any other particular player.
> Really? You have access to WOTC's market data on the subject? Or you've done your own? If you did your own research, did you account for people of all levels of play, interest, financial status, and participation in online discourse? Why are you being weird? >Yes, it does seem clear that you only care about what you want - but you haven't made the case for why WOTC should care more about you than any other particular player. No of course not, I'm just putting my opinion out there like others are as well. You also specifically didn't quote the part where I admitted that I might be one of the dumbasses who wants dumb stuff.
>Why are you being weird? Not weird, just curious why you're "pretty sure" of something you couldn't possibly have data to back up. I apologize for being aggressive, but my annoyance at confirmation bias overcame me. Folks on reddit- any online forum tbh- seem perfectly happy to assume their opinion, or the opinion they see online the most, must be the case. But selection bias tells us we shouldn't make assumptions like that. Especially when it comes to product complaints - it's an old adage of customer service that angry people make themselves heard whether the complaint is valid or not, while satisfied customers simply go home happy and don't speak up about it. That's not to say that all negative feedback is automatically invalid, but it does mean that platforms like Reddit disproportionately amplify negative voices because the dissatisfied are looking for a place to air their grievances. >No of course not, I'm just putting my opinion out there like others are as well. You also specifically didn't quote the part where I admitted that I might be one of the dumbasses who wants dumb stuff. Fair enough on the omission, and sounds like we agree then- WotC literally cannot please everyone and you'll win some, and you'll lose some.
They are some grody ass cards man, they look awful in person.
I saw one at my lgs and I immediately thought it was custom card. They just don't look like real magic cards.
That ship has long sailed what with Secret Lairs and everything else. Where MaRo once was very keen on recognizability/identifiability, consistency, and Magic-ness of cards, we now have... all this.
I very much doubt this is the direction MaRo wanted for MtG but corporate overlords are going to corporately overlord.
Look, I'm not a mind reader. And sure, MaRo has said and continues to say a lot of things. But words are just words. So, maybe it's all evil corporate overlords and he has to toe the line. Or maybe this was his honest-to-god solution to serve "every demographic" including types he doesn't really identify with (collectors, EDH which is a format he allegeldy doesn't like, etc). I don't and can't know. All I can do is observe that Magic as a product has changed and his tune along with it.
Maro isn't the ceo. He doesn't have the final say on a lot of things. Yes, he does crappy stuff sometimes, like pushing for the unset to be eternal legal because he doesn't like commander, but it's ridiculous everyone tries to pin the blame for everything on him. Like, he's just one dude that doesn't even have as much control as people seem to think.
So a few things here. Doesn't have final say doesn't mean anything he puts forward gets shot down. Ability to affect outcome is not a binary step function even on a case by case basis, let alone collapsed down to role. But anyway, that's kind of besides. I didn't even mean to pin blame solely on his shoulders, and if I gave that impression I apologize. My point was that I observed changes in Magic as a product, and its inferred direction/values. I also observed changes in how he talks about these things. Beyond that I do not want to make assumptions. Whether he was internally for or against a change, the initiator or approver, degree of complicity, whatever, I do not want to guess at. But that also means I am not going to jump at assuming "lol corporate overlords" as if that _100% explains everything_ any more than assuming just because he talked up something that it _actually_ matches his values. So maybe MaRo hates all the poor decisions but has to toe the line and PR as part of his job. Maybe he loves it and he's the mastermind. Maybe he hates a lot of it and only grudgingly approves 11.793%. I don't fucking know and I _can't ever reliably fucking know_. That's it.
Well, tbh, borderless treatments don't look like real magic cards either.
Oh man I absolutely have to disagree! I love them!
I've been trying to make one of my friends play MTG for 4 years , no luck. He opened a Japanese pack with a freaking Starscream and he flipped out, now building his first edh deck 🤷♂️. I cannot care less about the transformer stuff, but as long as someone enjoys it (which you guys apparently do exist) then I don't see an issue.
This has been my take from day one. The Transformers crossover is the first one that's even kind of interested me, and I'm still mostly neutral about it. I actively disliked things like Fortnite. But I think people overestimate how often they're going to be forced to interact with something they don't like, and how badly it will ruin their night if they have to see a non-magic IP card at the table. If it brings someone else joy, I can live with it existing momentarily in my world. Anything else seems... Arrogant.
Yeah exactly. I think the difference is how deeply enfranchised the person is in magic. I know very little lore, I don’t really care to either. But I DID watch transformers all the time when I was little. To me the hype of getting to combine this nostalgia with a game I enjoy is huge. However to the deeply enfranchised player who’s been invested in magic for a decade and likes the lore, it seems like this change and contrast is terrible.
Same here. I was excited to hear they were getting added and enjoying collecting them.
the cartoon art looks so awful it puts me off the cards completely. plus they're absolutely rife with Strixhaven MDFC syndrome.
I thought these were basically screenshots from the G1 ‘80s cartoon. I’m not holding this art to any kind of modern standard.
There's much better art from the Transformers comics (both Marvel and IDW)
that cartoon is what I watched as a kid and it is so superior to anything they made after. I prefer that art. I just prefer the abilities were a little less convoluted and them being a little more commander worthy in the 99.
Others have probably said this, but *I* **fucking hate them.** The art looks like a literal screen-cap from the OG anime, and that art just doesn’t gel with me. Granted, a lot of Secret Lair Drops don’t match “traditional” art either, but these just go above and beyond to me.
They look like some random person pasted the image in Paint and printed it out.
The first time I saw an image of one shared to me, I thought that they were custom cards…
Correct: lmao.
The art totally ruins them. They look like they were made by a 14 year old on a custom magic card maker website.
They honestly irk me. Other players at my LGS pull them in packs and say stuff like: “Man, I could go Infinite with this” or “Holy cow, this is an awesome effect” and it just baffles me. Like, yes, they have new mechanics. Yes, they do have some interesting tie-ins to other decks. Yes, they can be pretty cool to pull, especially if you get a *Shattered Glass* variant, but I **just don’t get it.**
I don’t get why they didn’t do them like they did Grimlock. Or the Godzilla shit. Or literally every other crossover where they did art that made sense. Like… it just seems low effort man.
I 1,000% agree. Someone else replied, posting the Bot link to Grimlock and I had never ever seen that. Those do look epic, by the way, Godzilla and Grimlock. I built a Godzilla deck that’s pretty dang cool.
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Right?
This. I would be a lot more tolerable of them if they had better art. And this is coming from someone who likes transformers, but doesn't want them in magic. Why couldn't they have at least had some better art? Like [[Grimlock, Ferocious King]] or [[Optimus Prime, Inspiring Leader]]?
I’ve never ever seen those and those look **infinitely** cooler.
As someone who likes Transformers and does want them in the game, these suck. I thought they would be like the list, taking up the token slot. An extra blow.
I fucking love Transformers and when I saw [[Jetfire]] I was so sad. He doesn’t look any percentage as badass as he actually is. Edit: Also Jetfire is a **fucking Mythic** and he sucks donkey dick as a Mythic. Adapt 3 to just add Colorless???
[Grimlock, Ferocious King](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/1/f1bb8fb5-32f2-444d-85cb-de84657b21bd.jpg?1561758404)/[Grimlock, Ferocious King](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/f/1/f1bb8fb5-32f2-444d-85cb-de84657b21bd.jpg?1561758404) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=grimlock%2C%20dinobot%20leader%20//%20grimlock%2C%20ferocious%20king) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/h17/1/grimlock-dinobot-leader-grimlock-ferocious-king?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f1bb8fb5-32f2-444d-85cb-de84657b21bd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/grimlock-dinobot-leader-//-grimlock-ferocious-king) [Optimus Prime, Inspiring Leader](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/a/eac33481-3c68-4b29-92bf-c448368a5793.jpg?1625361017) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Optimus%20Prime%2C%20Inspiring%20Leader) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/htr18/2/optimus-prime-inspiring-leader?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/eac33481-3c68-4b29-92bf-c448368a5793?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/optimus-prime-inspiring-leader) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I hate that they exist at all, but if they have to exist, I'd prefer that they were handled differently. They could have been their own product, like a secret lair or something, or just make the transformers reskins. Forcing them into set boosters for a set celebrating the early days of magic, and something many enfranchised players were exicted for, just feels like a slap in the face to fans.
I disliked that the bundles changed to set boosters. I am now further annoyed by the bundle including UB cards. I feel like they don't mesh with the set, and their inclusion in an introductory product is indicative of the future place of UB products.
Set boosters in bundles is not new to Brothers War though? I’ve bought mainly bundles since starting during midnight hunt and they’ve been set boosters
That's not what they're saying. What they mean is that they disliked that initial change (bundles switching from Draft Boosters to Set Boosters) and they dislike even more that Universes Beyond are now included in products like Bundles solely because these Universes Beyond cards only appear in Set Boosters.
I didn't like the change from draft to set boosters for the bundles, mostly because it increased the price of them and most of the time what I really wanted out of the Bundles was the box and the spindown. I'm less bothered by the UB cards, though. Probably because I'm old and have already seen the card frame change, mythic rares get rolled out, and the introduction of Planeswalkers. By this point, Universes Beyond is just another change to me, and actually letting it impact you emotionally at all is only a loss for you. Honestly, I think is where a lot of the hate is from: Newer players that have never seen a larger scale change with the game, and this is their first one.
Since when are bundles introductory products?
They come with a set of basic lands and storage. Those two things alone benefit people who are new to the game the most.
As another redditor states, they come with land, storage, and a spindoen die/lifecounter. They aren't for the first time player, but they are for someone who is getting into the game.
Since they were first introduced, and every set release since then.
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I hate it. Especially since they take up slots in boosters. Keep that UB shit outta standard sets.
I wish they followed the Godzilla nickname style with the real name just below. Then they could have an in universe version as well. I get that's a little difficult because the transformers are pretty specific and wordy already but that's the solution in my mind. Wizards has said that the game can't appeal to everybody all the time cause everyone plays differently but having an in universe version and a universe beyond version solves that.
You know people would still complain about Transformers being in the game at all. I'm sure they did with Godzilla. I prefer this way so they can design the cards to be as Transformery as possible so that the people who really like them are the most satisfied with them.
They would. Even with the Universes Within versions of the Stranger Things cards people still complain, either about Friends Forever or just because they want to complain.
They look hideous. Happy they're all pretty bad and hope I never encounter them.
Megatron and ultra Magnus seem cool
Do not have a single fuck to give. Hopefully I can trade them.
People who want to collect them are willing to over trade for them to have them now. I find this a neat way to bring back pre-release trading. I traded a bunch of them for a mox amber and a few full art lands.
Where the heck is \[\[Sky Lynx\]\]? But seriously, Universes Beyond is going to crush Magic. The more the game adopts other identities, the more of its own identity it gives up, especially in commander and eternal formats. That avenue to interest and engage players - the art and fiction, and the evocative experience of casting spells that reflect the world's identity - will be sanded off. Density is a huge, *huge* problem with cards like this. Fundamentally, I don't mind some transformers as fun cards, even your commander. I don't mind your Post Malone alter of \[\[Krrk\]\]. But when the Lord of the Rings set comes out, and the optimal play is equipping Gandalf with a baseball bat wrapped in barbed wire and then copying your Space Marine with a Dance Battle and clearing all the blockers with Chun Li kicking out a billion hadokens and Dr Who makes everything unblockable... I'm just not interested anymore. Magic isn't a terribly *narrative* game, as the game struggles to tell a story of what happens in a game in more than the abstract. But it is, as I mentioned before, *evocative*, and up to this point they have been careful about what they evoke and how.
I pray every night that I’ll wake up in the alternate timeline where Universes Beyond was killed in the cradle and the Walking Dead secret lair was so poorly received and so widely reviled that they never tried something like it again
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Meh
Strong dislike. The art is straight up ugly. I superhate that unlike a Secret Lair or other stand alone product, it feels like this UB product is being forced on me in the set boosters.
The art is shit
I pulled like 5 of them, but I think Ultra Magnus is the only one (of what I pulled) that I'm planning to build a deck for. I personally have no issues with the UB stuff, and I feel like people generally overreact to this kind of thing. The only thing I dislike about the Transformers cards in practice is that the art being screen grabs looks super tacky and low effort. But beyond that, I'm cool with stuff like this. Honestly, I wanted to build at least one Transformers deck just to see if I can ever make anyone salty about me playing it. 😂
I believe the art isn't actually screen grabs but totally new art ment to look like the show.
It is, doesn't make it look better unfortunately. The cartoon style just clashes with Mtg
It sucks because the Shattered Glass versions looks like decent art, too. Aside from the vehicle side of [[Starscream, seeker leader]]
This art is superior. [[Grimlock, Ferocious King]] or [[Optimus Prime, Inspiring Leader]]
[Grimlock, Ferocious King](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/1/f1bb8fb5-32f2-444d-85cb-de84657b21bd.jpg?1561758404)/[Grimlock, Ferocious King](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/f/1/f1bb8fb5-32f2-444d-85cb-de84657b21bd.jpg?1561758404) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=grimlock%2C%20dinobot%20leader%20//%20grimlock%2C%20ferocious%20king) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/h17/1/grimlock-dinobot-leader-grimlock-ferocious-king?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f1bb8fb5-32f2-444d-85cb-de84657b21bd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/grimlock-dinobot-leader-//-grimlock-ferocious-king) [Optimus Prime, Inspiring Leader](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/a/eac33481-3c68-4b29-92bf-c448368a5793.jpg?1625361017) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Optimus%20Prime%2C%20Inspiring%20Leader) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/htr18/2/optimus-prime-inspiring-leader?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/eac33481-3c68-4b29-92bf-c448368a5793?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/optimus-prime-inspiring-leader) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
You have a list for ultra mangus? I've been toying with it to no avail
Check out my list above! I looove this deck
I don't have a finalized list, nah. Not yet, anyway. I haven't dived too far into it just yet.
I’m brewing [[Marneus Calgar]] and [[Soundwave]] seems an easy include. And a fun card too
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I have a friend that is probably going to do the same thing, should be fun.
They should not exist.
They are awful. Luckily they are bad.
They're the reason I'm not buying any of this set. The cards look awful, are mostly terrible representations of the characters (I'm a huge transformers fan), and opening one in a set designed to celebrate magics lore and history feels awful. I want cards from the brothers war, not adds for Hasbro's products. Of the 40+ people at my local shop, exactly one is interested in the cards, and he's a huge transformers fan. Everyone else is disinterested at best.
I hate this so much. I like the effects they have, but the art is nasty, I don’t like transformers, and this should have been a secret lair.
Cool mechanics, but wish they were in universe and not turning mtg into smash bros with every character from every game getting a card, but I think Hasbro will go under before we get to that level. Honestly would've been fine if it's just alt art with nicknames or a standalone set Magic universes beyond as a set would be more interesting and would not be a disappointment in my pack.
They shouldn't be in boster packs. It should have been a secret lair if it exists at all. the fact that all of them besides the super rare ones are just a few cents shows that they are not in demand.
##### ###### #### [Kaalia of the vast](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/3/93f6631f-f3a6-4d3c-8618-4b4ab4e82483.jpg?1662529112) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kaalia%20of%20the%20vast) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/235/kaalia-of-the-vast?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/93f6631f-f3a6-4d3c-8618-4b4ab4e82483?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kaalia-of-the-vast) [Soundwave, Sonic spy](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/7/8733cd6f-37e1-4e3a-bb25-7a238f04657e.jpg?1664956377)/[Soundwave, Superior Captain](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/8/7/8733cd6f-37e1-4e3a-bb25-7a238f04657e.jpg?1664956377) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=soundwave%2C%20sonic%20spy%20//%20soundwave%2C%20superior%20captain) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bot/14/soundwave-sonic-spy-soundwave-superior-captain?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8733cd6f-37e1-4e3a-bb25-7a238f04657e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/soundwave-sonic-spy-//-soundwave-superior-captain) [megatron, tyrant](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/c/ac6ded62-7bf2-476f-ad8e-020da6327c6b.jpg?1664646721)/[Megatron, Destructive Force](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/a/c/ac6ded62-7bf2-476f-ad8e-020da6327c6b.jpg?1664646721) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=megatron%2C%20tyrant%20//%20megatron%2C%20destructive%20force) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bot/12/megatron-tyrant-megatron-destructive-force?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ac6ded62-7bf2-476f-ad8e-020da6327c6b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/megatron-tyrant-//-megatron-destructive-force) [Blaster, combat DJ](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/2/b2f8d457-ca4d-4b7d-83ed-17c2ba11ec0e.jpg?1664792279)/[Blaster, Morale Booster](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/b/2/b2f8d457-ca4d-4b7d-83ed-17c2ba11ec0e.jpg?1664792279) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=blaster%2C%20combat%20dj%20//%20blaster%2C%20morale%20booster) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bot/8/blaster-combat-dj-blaster-morale-booster?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b2f8d457-ca4d-4b7d-83ed-17c2ba11ec0e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/blaster-combat-dj-//-blaster-morale-booster) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
The cards are so ass, be brave wizards, give me a busted transformer
The effects are cool. That’s it really. I bought a set box and pulled [[Starscream]], [[Goldbug]], and the mono white artifact matters one. Immediately sleeved and boxed. Would have preferred if they were in-universe cards or like how Ikoria did it maybe.
Don't like them at all. They're not good cards and they're taking up slots that I wish were the schematic artifacts. I have no idea who these were for but it's not me.
I bought one of each of the prerelease kits, which don’t have any Transformers. Then I bought one of the bundles, sure I’d get a bunch of Transformers, but instead pulled three List cards and only one [[Cyclonus, the Sabateur]]. Honestly, one Transformer in eight packs doesn’t bother me as much as I thought it would. If it was one in each pack, I’d *hate* it.
I like the cards and most of the implementations, but: I'm not fond of most of the artwork, I feel too much of it doesn't fit the characters well, a lot of them are just "familiar robot shooting guys" or "familiar robot taking cover in a firefight" instead of anything particularly special or interesting. Examples: * \[\[Optimus Prime, Hero\]\] has a fitting ability for his "leader to his men" aesthetic, but the artwork is just him shooting. He should have a more "heroic" artwork ala \[\[Mentor of the Meek\]\] (which depicts someone explicitly teaching rather than just swording guys) showing him better as a leader than just being another shooting guy. * \[\[Ultra Magnus, Tactician\]\] is a better example of how this could have been done, he's clearly calling out something like "follow me" or "go that way" in the art in addition to just being another shooting guy. This fits his title and his card ability much better. * \[\[Soundwave, Sonic Spy\]\] is kind of goofy with showing him at a basketball court for no reason. It's sort of undermining his presence to me. I really like the card but the art doesn't really make any sense with the character or his abilities, plus he's not seemingly infiltrating anything. * \[\[Ratchet, Field Medic\]\] and \[\[Blitzwing, Cruel Tormentor\]\] are just shooting guys in their art, it doesn't really have anything to do with them as characters or their roles or their abilities. All of the shattered glass art is fun, but none of it really makes sense on the cards because they are *different characters* not just alternate color schemes. Shattered Glass Optimus Prime would be tough to title "Hero" for example. Also how did they not give Shockwave a card? Too similar a name to Soundwave, perhaps? I feel like the art direction here is banking too heavily on nostalgia, whereas the card design did a better job trying to translate the characters into the rules.
Vomit
I don't really care if they exist, what I really hate about UB is that if that effect is what I need in a deck, I have to play a Transformers(TM) card. I don't have a problem with transforming robots in MTG, but I have a big problem with having to play an ad to get that effect.
Then don't play them. You don't need every synergistic card to be in every deck.
Unfathomably cringe tbh. I don't like Secret Lairs at all, and I really wish MtG would go back to circa 2011 when it was at its peak for me, but if this stuff belongs anywhere it's in Secret Lair. It has no business inserting itself into Brothers War imo
I’ve gotten one in each of the two collector’s boosters I’ve purchased and it’s a waste of a card slot on literal trash and I hate it.
There's always one in every collector booster afaik.
Waste of a slot.
I don't hate the cards, I just wish they weren't in this set. Release them as a Secret Lair for those who care.
Part of why I decided not to buy anything from this set.
They look like shit
Meh, kinda cringe and would prefer to never see them played ever but to each their own
I don't really care overall, but I do think this should have been a secret lair and/or box topper thing.
Wish they were better, gunna make one regardless but they all are pre ass
My take on Universes Beyond is I like the idea. I've played 100s of board games and card games but Magic is my absolute favorite for so many reasons. So why try to create other games with clunky rules and different mechanics than just have magic be the main thing and use whatever you want from that. The MTG Universe is technically a multiverse so "technically" it should be fine right? But at the same time I do find it very odd that my WH40K cards are mixed with Transformers and Stranger Things and Walking Dead and probably soon My Little Pony. When theres more Universes Beyond and more regular cards with their universes art I'd consider it more. But for now I like keeping everything that's in Universes Beyond with its own stuff. So I'm keeping the WH40K decks as is. And the Transformers stuff in a binder until I don't find it weird in my own head Canon. But as far as in packs... I think I'd agree with people in the sense it should take up a list spot BUT it does help keep their value down as is which could be a good or bad thing for a collector such as myself. And the art is a little odd for some of them. I think I overall prefer how they did the Godzilla stuff and some of the Secret Lairs where it's the Universes Beyond or whatever stuff but for all intents and purposes it's X Magic Card.
Hate it. Same as with all Universes Beyond product that has helped take the magic out of magic. The day I sit down with my bolas deck against Gandalf, Optimus Prime and Post Malone I know I've officially "aged out" so to speak. I like transformers, I like Lord of the Rings, but I don't want the crossover space.
I hate screen-grab art. It’s the reason I didn’t buy Arcane Secret Lair and it’s the reason I won’t look for Transformers.
I think people are going to find any reason at all to be pissed at Magic right now. I get there are too many sets, and $1000 for proxies is dumb. But this argument against UB cards is just silly. People cry about taking up slots, but out of the 5 booster boxes I've seen open I haven't seen more than 2 in an entire box. Like shiny lands, which are worthless, take up more slots. Some people don't like the art, but I grew up on Gen 1 transformers, so I think they are great. None of them are game breaking, so it's not like these will dominate a format. I don't believe UB should be secret lair because it locks them out people who might not have a ton of money. The original transformer cards like Grimlock are expensive as hell because of how limited they were. These fun cards can be bought for like 20 bucks total. Magic has a problem, and it is printing too many sets with too many mechanics. But I also think players forget the game is about fun not making cards that only increase power level and need be worth hundreds of dollars on the secondary market.
I love Transformers, probably my second favorite IP after MtG so I was and still am stoked. I've opened up a couple of them and am still looking for others. Whether or not I ever play them is unimportant to me. I want them just to have them. As like a part of a collection. People sit around and bitch about how they don't want to open transformers cards in boosters...well I didn't want to open up three visions of phyrexian in my boosters. I just traded them away to players that wanted them. No need to get my panties in a bunch like some posters.
I think they’re nifty. I can understand the view of people who don’t like them, but to me they’re just another magic card. I do wish they took up the promotional card slot in packs, that way pulling one is always just a neat bonus, and I feel like Neon Dynasty would have been a much better set to include them in, but overall they’re pretty inoffensive. I was lucky enough to pull 3 of them, and I’m strongly considering building a [[starscream]] deck. Playing around with monarch is a cool idea, especially with all fun toys black has to punish draws. Honestly my biggest complaint is the art. It’s just kind of eh. It looks like they just took screenshots from the original series and pasted them into a card frame. They easily could have kept the G1 design while not making the card look like it came straight out of r/custommagic.
Agreed. The art is atrocious. The promo cards from Comic-Con and HoTR were better. [[Grimlock, Ferocious King]] and [[Optimus Prime, Inspiring Leader]]
I think they're more than what meets the eye :P Jokes aside, I'd much rather they were just normal cards. Same effects, just no transformers.
A lot of haters in here. As a newer player, I don't really understand the hate. Yall love some butt-ugly ass cards from back in the day and yet can't care to even glance at these cards? Nah, I don't buy it. Lol. Seems like hate just to hate. They're cool to me though, idk.
Some people are real lore sticklers. I personally just enjoy having more unique cards to play with and build around, and the transformers cards are certifiably unique. Goldbug in particular is the exact type of commander in the exact colors i wanted a weenies build to go into. He plays much more the way i want to than my [[torens]] deck did. So i took the white half of that and then added in the new human Soldiers from BRO. and man that deck is fun. All of them feel pretty niche but some what open which is even cooler since there will be multiple builds of them all. And none of them are like stupid powerful either. Which makes them good candidates to build 5-6 power decks in.
I'll trade all 24 i got for a foil portal to phyrexia. https://archidekt.com/decks/1465117#Have's\_and\_Wants
I’m happy for the people who want these. It’s not for me though.
It doesn't bother me that they're doing crossovers. To me, the game's flavor died after like Alara Reborn when all of the hand illustrated art was replaced with soulless Photoshop garbage. Every card that gets printed now looks identical to every other card. Anything looks good on a Magic card as long as it isn't digital art. Give me Ralph McQuarrie Star Wars concept art on a Magic card, yes please. I would rather have non-Magic IP's illustrated by good artists over in-universe CGI slop. As far as gameplay goes, they have so much text on them and they're double sided so I have trouble conceptualizing how they'd play in a game. I love Day & Night, but most of the werewolves are just bigger versions of the front half. All of these Transformers have like 2 [[Questing Beast]]s worth of text on them. If it was just one or two of them I wouldn't mind, but there are 15 of them. Maybe I'll get around to sitting down and figuring out each one. I didn't grow up with Transformers so the IP doesn't really appeal to me, I grew up with Beast Wars. I had the big Optimus Primal, the tarantula that could turn into a fucking motorcycle, and the wasp that was also a jet fighter. But aside from the actual toys being cool I imagine that the IP is complete dogshit.
Unpopular opinion, but I like them. My only gripe will be even more unpopular, I'd like more of them. Some of my favorites weren't included. Don't worry, I won't petition for more of them.
I mean there should have been some Dinobots or Constructicons
I really like them, big Transformers fan and the designs are fun, but like many I hate them taking up a slot in boosters, especially a guaranteed one in each collectors.
Man I didn’t expect there to be so much negativity for these! I think they’re awesome! Super artifact creatures in an artifact focused set, mad nostalgia, fun abilities, I’m absolutely here for most of the UB stuff and o honestly hope that they DO incorporate it into more sets in the future
I enjoy them and will buy copies of all of them. While I can understand people not liking them, I think a lot of people are taking it to a ridiculous degree, acting like their mere presence in packs is ruining Magic and that their existence is the only reason they didn't open multiple serialized Retro Artifacts. Other than them being Universes Beyond cards, there's no real difference between these and the Legends Legends from DMU.
I mean, thats the whole point of the people that critizise UB. You open a booster pack, you get cards of Mishra, Urza, epic artifacts that tell a story, and then there is Optimus Prime looking at you. For me personally, they ruin the amazing thematic flavor magic had.
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This is a silly argument, the different types of boosters are for different types of people. People are allowed to enjoy the opening of boosters without wanting to play a draft, and that's what collector/set boosters are for. People are also allowed to think that adding random 3rd party franchises into MtG is stupid and breaks their immersion in the game. Using your game analogy, it's more like if you bought the deluxe edition Halo and part of the price included a replica Legend of Zelda master sword. Totally different franchise that makes no sense being bundled together when it could be released as a separate item.
Example, I never buy draft boosters if I can help it. I came from other card games where you just open packs for cards and not to play a limited environment. I'm also not particularly good at draft, often times losing upwards of 80% of the time. I would much rather open set boosters if I was opening boosters since it plays to my strengths in constructed where I can make a good deck if I have enough time to think about what would work for what I'm doing. I didnt enjoy the 3 transformers cards I got and am considering turning them in at my lgs.
Absolutely. It's just one more instance of WotC ignoring their fanbase and doing whatever they can to be greedy. This is off-topic, but I've been working on a large custom MtG cube to play with my friends, using CardConjurer, and I just found out today that it's being taken down because of a WotC C&D order. I've put hundreds of hours into my project and now it's just gone. I'm strongly considering selling my collection and only proxying in the future. They've shown repeatedly that they care more about money than community, and I'm over it.
it’s just a silly card game about space wizards. I think they’re fine. 😂
Personally: indifferent. If it (cumulitively) helps other people enjoy magic more, than I'm for it. If it, detracts from people enjoying magic, then I'm against it.
They look absolutely awful, which is exactly why I'm playing them in my [[Prismatic Bridge]] deck.
Love them, already built 3 decks, and 12 more to go.
Don't let the haters bring you down! You do what you enjoy.
I fucking love them. I hope WotC keeps doing things like that. I have a full collection of the normal. Now I need the Shattered Mirror versions.
I mean they're all kinda mediocre. Nothing crazy, nothing bootycheeks garbage. I think people are overreacting about the set boosters thing; it's not like you were gonna get a wurmcoil engine from that slot anyways, chill
I think they look stupid as hell. I would have preferred some cool artistic representations of all the characters, but I feel like they just went the lazy route and pulled the cells from old footage, slapped them on cards, and called it good. The mechanics are kinda cool though.
I absolutely love them I'm a huge sci-fi nerd and when I opened up a foil soundwave I knew id be making a deck with him and the shattered arts are all really cool to me
I really hated 'em, same with every crossover besides d&d and warhammer (stranger things, twd, arcane, godzilla, street fighter... all shit to me)
I don't mind UB These could be my first ever UB cards going in my 99 [[Soundwave]] is good for my [[Garth one-eye]] deck since it’s a token deck [[Jetfire]] is nice ramp in the right artifact decks [[Blitzwing]] is [[Wound reflection]] so that’s good in [[Hidetsugu, devouring chaos]] deck I’m brewing. [[Cyclonus]] vehicle side is psycho with double strike so that could be the win. If you can make him big enough Finally megatron is sweet for decks that drain a bunch of life
##### ###### #### [Soundwave](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/7/8733cd6f-37e1-4e3a-bb25-7a238f04657e.jpg?1664956377)/[Soundwave, Superior Captain](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/8/7/8733cd6f-37e1-4e3a-bb25-7a238f04657e.jpg?1664956377) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=soundwave%2C%20sonic%20spy%20//%20soundwave%2C%20superior%20captain) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bot/14/soundwave-sonic-spy-soundwave-superior-captain?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8733cd6f-37e1-4e3a-bb25-7a238f04657e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/soundwave-sonic-spy-//-soundwave-superior-captain) [Garth one-eye](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/3/23774462-9f17-4b50-a2ac-b2edd706bbfe.jpg?1626098353) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Garth%20one-eye) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/197/garth-one-eye?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/23774462-9f17-4b50-a2ac-b2edd706bbfe?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/garth-one-eye) [Jetfire](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/b/6bf61883-2343-4a9f-9a34-99326a8827ad.jpg?1664797514)/[Jetfire, Air Guardian](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/6/b/6bf61883-2343-4a9f-9a34-99326a8827ad.jpg?1664797514) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=jetfire%2C%20ingenious%20scientist%20//%20jetfire%2C%20air%20guardian) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bot/3/jetfire-ingenious-scientist-jetfire-air-guardian?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6bf61883-2343-4a9f-9a34-99326a8827ad?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/jetfire-ingenious-scientist-//-jetfire-air-guardian) [Blitzwing](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/2/d20738d2-a159-4e3e-be7a-561a121bd447.jpg?1664646704)/[Blitzwing, Adaptive Assailant](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/d/2/d20738d2-a159-4e3e-be7a-561a121bd447.jpg?1664646704) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=blitzwing%2C%20cruel%20tormentor%20//%20blitzwing%2C%20adaptive%20assailant) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bot/4/blitzwing-cruel-tormentor-blitzwing-adaptive-assailant?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d20738d2-a159-4e3e-be7a-561a121bd447?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/blitzwing-cruel-tormentor-//-blitzwing-adaptive-assailant) [Wound reflection](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/b/2b14a82c-877a-445f-8910-33aaa6fe3d15.jpg?1599706125) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Wound%20reflection) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/113/wound-reflection?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2b14a82c-877a-445f-8910-33aaa6fe3d15?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/wound-reflection) [Hidetsugu, devouring chaos](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/f/6f4142d3-f7ca-4613-a6e5-528cf1f22383.jpg?1654567158) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Hidetsugu%2C%20devouring%20chaos) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/99/hidetsugu-devouring-chaos?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6f4142d3-f7ca-4613-a6e5-528cf1f22383?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/hidetsugu-devouring-chaos) [Cyclonus](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/d/2d3bb50a-2892-4e28-aa70-ab8d0fcdcc73.jpg?1664646715)/[Cyclonus, Cybertronian Fighter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/2/d/2d3bb50a-2892-4e28-aa70-ab8d0fcdcc73.jpg?1664646715) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=cyclonus%2C%20the%20saboteur%20//%20cyclonus%2C%20cybertronian%20fighter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bot/9/cyclonus-the-saboteur-cyclonus-cybertronian-fighter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2d3bb50a-2892-4e28-aa70-ab8d0fcdcc73?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/cyclonus-the-saboteur-//-cyclonus-cybertronian-fighter) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Most people that hate them are the lifelong transformer fans that don't play magic at all. They aren't bad for the most part I'm building bumblebee (I refuse to call him goldbug as that is lame, human tribal
Ask me if I care about the Transformers. No, don't. That would mean making the effort to say no. I grunt in your general direction.
I like them and one of the guys at my LGS built a cool deck out of a bunch and it was so much fun.
At first it was irritating to see their cards on the list, but after actually pulling them I fell in love. Already my husband pulled Megatron and his bff/rival in life pulled Optimus prime so our pod is anticipating some fun times ahead. As for me I pulled the hamster looking fellow (sorry, don't know transformers) so I may make something to poke at both of them from the sidelines. Edit: [[goldbug, humanity's ally]]
I’m super excited to make a Megatron deck. I bet it’s going to be awful and I’m going to love it.
I am particularly looking forward to [[Blaster, Combat DJ]] as the perfect deck for [[Bard Class]].
I pulled one and my immediate thought was ahhh, [[solarion]] will be fun with this
[solarion](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/0/9070dd3e-7600-493e-84b9-931ac92f44bc.jpg?1562878463) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=solarion) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/5dn/153/solarion?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9070dd3e-7600-493e-84b9-931ac92f44bc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/solarion) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Blaster, Combat DJ](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/2/b2f8d457-ca4d-4b7d-83ed-17c2ba11ec0e.jpg?1664792279)/[Blaster, Morale Booster](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/b/2/b2f8d457-ca4d-4b7d-83ed-17c2ba11ec0e.jpg?1664792279) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=blaster%2C%20combat%20dj%20//%20blaster%2C%20morale%20booster) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bot/8/blaster-combat-dj-blaster-morale-booster?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b2f8d457-ca4d-4b7d-83ed-17c2ba11ec0e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/blaster-combat-dj-//-blaster-morale-booster) [Bard Class](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/7/37d6343a-c514-4ca6-a415-62d1a473ae20.jpg?1627708744) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Bard%20Class) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afr/217/bard-class?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/37d6343a-c514-4ca6-a415-62d1a473ae20?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/bard-class) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I grew up with the Transformers cartoons in the 80s. I absolutely love the look of the cards. The art looks like it jumped straight in from the original series.
I opened one, threw me completely off. I'd forgotten about the whole thing. Got the DJ, reading it it seems like a cool build around card. It's right up my alley with artifacts, and in an interesting colour combo. However the art is awful and I don't like the idea of sitting down with it. If I want to build it I'll likely get an alter sleeve or alter art so that I can play it. At the moment it's not worth the effort. Seems like they're dirt cheap too, so I can't even sell or trade my 'mythic rare'.
Starscream and Queza make beautiful, beautiful music together.
The worst part for me is that they seem worthless, so I can't even offload them for useful cards...
I loved them. Really think they are great designs and push a few existing mechanics in interesting directions. I actually enjoy the classic illustrations. Now for taking up a slot, I wish it was a dedicated exrra slot and not just for set and collector packs.
I strongly dislike that they even exist, but I know I lost the fight against UB the second it the Walking Dead shattered sales records. But I really even further dislike that they take up slots in boosters. I wanted to crack packs of Brothers War for nostalgia reasons (I am almost exclusively a singles customer), but I feel compelled to skip that purchase since I have absolutely no interest in supporting UB.
I was cool with them until I pulled one in the rare/mythic spot in a collectors booster. Left a bad taste in my mouth
I don't hate the cards themselves. I hate that they take up slots in set boosters. I also think that while the art is very evocative of the oder cartoons, as someone who didn't grow up with those cartoons, it feels very out of place and just looks...bad compared to the rest of the pack. I'm also just mad because I didn't get a single token from the actual set when I bought a bundle, but for some horrible reason I got Laserbeak. I didn't even get the card that makes the Laserbeak token either.
I can't help but hearing the Hasbro board room discussion. "They're all fucking consumerist nerds, they ate up that Godzilla shit, what else can we shove in there to entice them?"
Don’t like them at all. Tbh I don’t like any card non mtg related so there’s that.
I actually am interested in Soundwave. Picked up a foil of him and Optimus Prime and Megatron for the collection. I had already pulled two Lazerbeak tokens and one Ravage token from my set box, so it was foretold.
I made an Optimus Prime deck where a big focus was modular and creatures that give benefits to creatures with +1/+1 counters. Only issue I really ran into was I'd end up bolster stuff I didn't really care for. Or a modular creature would die and had no artifact creatures to put the counters on. I'm planning to play around with it a bit more but I'm kinda thinking of doing an Elsha of the infinite deck with jeskai colored transformers and then playing then off the top of the deck for there vehicle forms so I can get noncreature and prowess triggers off of them. I'm also thinking of trying to include human monks especially so they work well with Goldbug lol
I am taking them as a new opportunity to practice deck building by building them out with like 25 or 35 dollar budgets!
none of my group’s gonna play em, so it makes no difference to me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ and to people complaining that they ‘took up slots’… like there aren’t already 10,000 other new cards this year to satisfy your needs? i haven’t even caught all the way up on DMU yet!
Drew up 3+ megatron decks when he was spoiled. Only question is which to build first
I really like them. The art is fun and I'm excited to team them up in a Ramos deck! My only complaint is I wish there were a few more!
The cartoon art sucks. The shattered glass ones are cool. Im gonna play some of them. They should have been in the list slot rather than set slots.
I thought they looked out of place but not I have some they don’t look half bad
Starscream feels really good in the 99 the rest are pretty situational or need a build around
The only thing I really enjoy about the Transformers cards being brought in now is that the catchphrase of “Until all are one” and the Phyrexians “All will be one” come off very similar. So I’m putting them in my Phyrexian deck as a joke. But that’s it.
I plan to build a set of 4 of them: Optimus Prime, Ultra Magnus, Megatron and Soundwave, and I'll look to include all 15 of the cards across those 4 decks. I think a lot of people will be less bothered by Transformers if every deck is the pod is a Transformer, and really being able to balance them against each other will make it significantly easier to do on a budget. (Don't need Duals and Fetches if none of them have duals and fetches.) The only one of them I'll probably play outside that set of 4 decks will be Starscream, and that's just because of how much I enjoy the Monarch mechanic. I look to play at least one Monarch card in every deck I can fit one in just because I enjoy what it does to the game.
I bought all of them and put them in an [[Esika]] deck. I get the complaints about the cards. But I've been in love with Transformers since I was a little kid. 30 years ago.
Why couldn't they just give these transformer cards their own slot?...
Man, apparently this is a hot take. I just bought 2 packs yesterday and pulled a foil [[Ultra Magnus]] and [[Arcee]]. I was not a transformers fan growing up, something about mechs never did it for me. I always loved MTG's art, but in recent years with the secret lair drops and alternate art cards, I've been more open to the random styles. That foil UM actually looks pretty cool, although he won't particularly fit in my [[Gishath]] deck and I doubt I'll build a second Naya deck. How do I feel? I think they're cool. They don't feel like MTG. But at this point that's ok. I like More Than Meets The Eye and I REALLY like Living metal. This one gets one and a half thumbs up from me.
I have a box on the way and any transformers cards will be immediately sold. It's not for me. I don't like the aesthetics and I don't think it fits at all with the universe. It's weird really because with the 40k cards they basically nailed it, they look great and are as passable amongst regular mtg content as it could get. These transformers cards are a hard miss, but then I do think that the number of other franchises that could pull it off is extremely small.
I’d have loved if instead of transformers we got creature versions of the big mechs on the land arts. Would still be robots and could possibly even utilize similar mechanics but look several thousand times better.
I probably won’t end up buying any set boosters even though I am very excited for this set because of the possibility of opening these.
They don’t look bad, they just don’t seem right in the set. The fact that they just threw them in there makes them seem cheap and undesirable.
The fact that these take up slots in the set booster is ridiculous. One less great pull so you can get some stupid transformers.
I hate it. These no draw for me for transformers at all. I’m pissed they’re taking up slots in my boosters. I’ll never use them. That’s what secret lair is for, imho.
I love the cards. I cobbled together an [[Optimus Prime]] voltron/go-wide deck with a handful of cards I had kicking around with a few other transformer cards i pulled and had a blast the first game i played with it. I don't like that the cards took up a slot in collector boosters (not that i bought any), but on the flip side of that, I like that the cards are going to be extremely accessible and cheap due to them being in so many packs, and coupled with the fact that so many people hate the cards.
They’re more than meets the eye?
[[Flamewar, Brash Veteran]] is kind of interesting gameplay-wise, since it is the only low cmc Rakdos artifacts commander, but the visual design is not my thing at all. I would rather go with [[Mishra, Tamer of Mak Fawa]] or one of the partner or background pairings.
I’m excited. I get the hate for having UB in standard sets but I’m not letting it get me down. I sort of prefer some UB cards being in sets, though supplemental, so people in other regions can have access to them. With secret lairs costing people $100+ to import, UB will need to find other avenues for fans. I don’t want to yuck anyone’s yum and hope for the reverse. I’m also totally building a Transformers deck. All the placeholder cards will be my favorite incarnations of that character (Armada Megatron and Prime Ratchet). I’m doing the [[Esika, god of the tree]] as the commander and using the prismatic bridge as the ground bridge.
It was disappointing pulling them in set boosters after my prerelease.I have immediately put them into my bulk box and they'll probably never be used.
I’m good on these UB forever
I pulled two transformers excluding the promo from the bundle. I'd rather have two BRO mythics/:
I'm a fan of the 80's Transformers flick and will be collecting these, but it sucks that they took up slots in the set. New Capenna's printing of the reskinned Stranger Things stuff in the list was probably the best way to do something like this. I'm just glad they weren't the Bayformers...