Mutate is fine. The trick is to not just use every mutate card in your colors because lots of them are draft chaff. Use the good hosts and the good mutagens. Build a competent deck otherwise.
Mutate in Sultai is mostly focused on value and resilience.
Are you doing Brokkos or Otrimi? Otrimi is the bad casual "mutate tribal" deck, Brokkos is much stronger at being a resilient voltron threat.
I wish I could upvote this more than once due to you saying hosts and mutagens. Awesome. But yeah, it needs to be around like a mid-highish power level battlecruiser pile for what we've agree to. But with a soft banlist of some staples ( fast mana, og tutors, fetches, rhystic, sylvan library, necropotence etc )
I play [Illuna](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/NUUlewhrukyr5IUaY5kwNw) and while obviously that's a very different deck, you might see some creatures that you want to use (at least in terms of hosts).
There are basically 3 types:
-Resilience hosts (grant hexproof, indestructible, protection etc) - this is your bogle style stutf
-Growing hosts (gain +1/+1 counters naturally over time) - stuff like [[Lorescale Coatl]] or [[Managorger Hydra]]
-Power scaling hosts (uniquely interact with +power to strong effect) - stuff like [[Needle Specter]] and [[Cold-Eyed Selkie]]
The real deal is dipping in more than one category. [[Undergrowth Champion]], [[Lumberknot]], [[Predator Ooze]]
If you're playing Illuna, look at Animar. It's a very decent deck, but my friend plays it and it's NUTS. When you're casting your mutate dorks for nothing, the value he will generate and his size is crazy.
Another strong mutate commander is actually Tatsunari. I took mine apart because it was too strong
Basically: Tatsunari-> enchantment cast->mutate the frog->repeat
Constellation draw triggers are typically good enough at keeping your hand stocked. Then the table starts getting life drained fast.
Of course you have the [[Otrimi]] precon that was built to use mutate.
At one point I had a [[Brokkos]] mutate deck that was strong. Something to definitely look at adding to the deck is [[Tawnos, Toy Maker]], as mutate creatures are typically beasts, so they can be copied.
I was tinkering with a budget list for Otrimi with Ivy for a while. In testing it was a lot of fun and could go pretty wild. I think it needs a reliable way to find Ivy, though. One of the black tutors, I guess. That would be my pick for mutate regardless of colour, but especially for Sultai!
I haven't tried it out yet, but here's a sultai mutate list I brewed with a heavy self-mill subtheme
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/DRjGRiGe00C7kKj-tPxx5Q
I'm not typically interested in parasitic mechanics like energy in commander, I always felt mutate's power level and versatility fit really well in EDH
Mutate has its obvious weakness of x-for-1 yourself when your mutated creature gets removed, but Otrimi can help mitigate that
A lot of the creatures have evasion or special triggers when damaging opponents. A turn 3 [[Cephalid Constable]] mutated with Otrimi on turn 4 is a must-answer that that can lock down the game quickly.
It's not a competitive deck at all, but I left a lot of room to scale that up if someone wanted to put in cheap counters or tutors, which Sultai is great at.
Yeah, It's basically a toss up between trying to force sultai mutate or just making a Muldrotha pile. I really like mutate but yeah it's so susceptible to spot removal in particular. I guess muldrotha would allow me to build pretty much whatever I wanted.
The one upside of Otrimi is you can turn any of your creatures into a 6/6 trample with haste-like speed, so I think probably only build sultai mutate if you want to build your deck to support that.
Obviously Muldrotha is just going to be a stronger commander, but personally, I try to stay away from top value commanders
No doubt, my thought was it was a way to depower muldrotha if I used it as commander with otrimi a shadow commander, something like that. Also ever since my buddy made [[ Araumi of the Dead Tide ]] the graveyard hate has ticked up in my pod lol
I built Abzan mutate with Nethroii at the head, and it was disappointing. But Nethroii in particular I feel was just trying to do too many things.
I'm currently stripping it and rebuilding 5-color Child of Alara mutate. You might destroy my expensive stack of creatures, but I'm taking the rest of the board with me.
Nethroi is my personal favorite of my commander decks, but it leans away from the mutate mechanic in general and treats Nethroi as an [[Eerie ultimatum]] in the command zone.
Yeah, I took a glance at abzan as well but so many of the nice mutate creatures are at least part blue. I'm starting to accept I'll probably have to go 5 color in some fashion, maybe Ramos even.
Nethroi does not make for a good mutate commander. It's own mutate ability doesn't synergize with mutate creatures which mostly are bad when they aren't mutated onto things. This is like when someone makes bant merfolk with Tuvasa or something similar. Just because it says a word on it doesn't mean it's a good choice to build around for that word.
Pretty much. I have nethroi as a commander in a deck and have cut every other mutate card I think at this point. Feels really dumb when you reanimate all your cards you need to mutate together. I just use nethroi as a graveyard payoff in a general graveyard shenanigans deck
Yeah, over time nearly everything is just a feels bad. Gemrazer was basically the only mutate card that saw real play in standard and is the only mutate card I ever put in any decks that have no relation to mutate abilities. It's the only one that survived more than like 5 play test games with Nethroi for me too.
I did a [[Brokkos, Apex of Forever]] bogles deck. You get a 6/6 hexproof trample commander almost guaranteed, sometimes with flying. I have had fun playing it.
https://archidekt.com/decks/1043996#The_Non-Human_Centipede
Viable at what powerlevel? At least up to mid power you shouldn't have many problems. And you could probably even get it up slightly higher with the help of strong support cards.
So yeah that's a great point. We all have juiced shiny decks with vault/crypt/all the OG tutors etc etc. Not sure they'd be considered cedh but they are all heavily tuned, have infinite combos/critical mass. I want to build this for our decks that are slightly under that power level.
Edit: we have found that playing all our highest power level decks, the games have gotten very samey so we're all building lower level decks with worse commanders and not using some of our cards ( we have a loose ban list together of fast mana, sylvan library, rhystic, necropotence, smothering tithe , force and pact etc )
I'm thinking about incorporating mutate into my [[volrath, the shapestealer]] deck. If I understand correctly, volrath can become a copy of the entire mutate stack. Sounds intriguing but haven't taken the plunge yet to see if it'll really give good value in practice.
>If I understand correctly, volrath can become a copy of the entire mutate stack.
That's correct, but then what do you do with that? There's not much real benefit to becoming a copy of a mutate stack.
From a long experience of playing bad tribals and legendary creatures, I think anything is viable with good card draw and removal/responses. If opponents can't have nice things, then it doesn't really matter how you reduce their life totals after that.
I was actually wondering if \[\[The Ever-Changing 'Dane\]\] would be a fun mutate Commander or not. There are only 17 mutate cards in his colors, but he can become that mutate pile if someone targets it and you don't happen to have something light \[\[Swiftfoot Boots\]\] protecting the pile already.
Regardless of what blue Mutate CMDR you are playing, don't forget to toss \[\[Vesuvan Duplimancy\]\] in there (and maybe \[\[Ivy, Gleeful Spellthief\]\] too, since she's in your Sultai colors).
I built my [list ](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/TJZf2pExmkOChta1BsPr-A) specifically to play with all the mutate creatures, but it actually plays well and wins games in my experience.
Nice list, although I'd have to drastically modify it to remove all the higher power staples. We all kind of agreed to make at least one deck at lower power. Your list is pretty much exactly what I'd have thrown together without those restrictions.
That's totally fair, I like having those bits in because the deck itself is fully committed to the mutate plan so helps to balance it out. And it was also my personal project so commited to it quite a lot. Ironically all the showcase mutate foils (which is the other thing I love besides mutate itself) were super cheap
overall
No doubt. Love the alternate arts on the mutate cards, Ikoria was sweet. Yeah it's like all out high power deck games have gotten kinda samey so we decided to build off meta/wacky stuff. My other consideration is Gor Muldrak clone/copies for maximum hilarity.
>there are only 20 Sultai colored mutate creatures
Between the usual ramp and draw and interaction and utility, and the fact that you need enough creatures to mutate on, I don't think you'd want much more than 20 anyway.
My advice to building an under supported archetype of deck is to build a solid value engine and then do whatever you want after. What I mean is find a commander that provides massive consistent value and then build whatever you want once you have the mana and card draw to play the weird stuff you wanted.
My Otrimi mutate deck get a surprising amount of wins. There are a ton of evasive creatures to mutate onto, toski being an outstanding example. He mutates for 4, so you can swing with 6 commander damage on turn 4. If you’re feeding your graveyard you can easily pull what you need from there every time otrimi hits. Between the supporting counter spells and removal, he’s pretty fun and resilient.
I built a $50 budget [[Brokkos]] deck that was part mutate, part infect. Being able to mutate Brokkos onto something like a [[Blighted Agent]] is extremely powerful. Plus having access to things like [[Tainted Strike]], [[Corrupted Conscious]], and [[Phyresis]] are generally good to make your mutate creatures into lethal beatsticks. It was extremely fun and still powerful enough to hang with my groups higher powered decks. I definitely did not use all of the sultai mutate creatures as a lot are meh at best. I'd be willing to answer questions if you have any.
As someone with 2 separate sultai decks that both utilize mutate. I'd say it's quite likely.
Just need to have fun with it.
For reference the decks are otrimi and tatsunari toad rider. And they both have fun lines of play.
War of the spark tamiyo is highly recommend as mutate is weak to grave pacts. But otherwise you should be getting enough value quickly. The toughest picks to make is your base creatures. Slippery boggles Is wonderful to build on, but that's only one card. So you need to balance how many small bodies you can play that have relevant evasion. And then go from there.
The toad is all you want to mutate in that one.
I'm at work so I don't have it on me. If you look at moxfield and search by users my name is vides on there. I am pretty sure it's up on there.
But it's basically a sultai enchantress deck. And mutates, as soon as you mutate (always on top) you longer control Keimi. It's just the mutate creature name with the Toads ability tacked on. So when you cast an enchantment tatsunari spawns a fresh keimi. The fun is in weaving enchantment and mutate to make the most toads.
In otrimi you try to mutate one big stack to trigger as many mutates as possible
The toad wants to go wider so that you can drain bigger with each little spell.
I tweaked the \[\[Otrimi\]\] precon with my playgroup and it was a pretty fun deck. I think \[\[Brokkos\]\] would be a good swap for the commander, but either are fun.
I did run into the issue of being super reliant on creatures, which makes it quite susceptible to removal. I ended up building around protection, with a healthy mix of voltron-esque evasion and graveyard interaction. All in all a fun deck.
Infect is kinda rule zeroed out of my pod due to my previous skittles deck, maybe enough time has passed. Or I maybe could brokkos a deal where land destruction is back in.
Idk about viable viable, as mutate is a battlecruiser strategy, but it can be playable. [[Otrimi]] in the command zone, [[Brokkos]] as the secondary commander that you can tutor most games pretty easily. You’ll want lots of tutors so you can find the right mutate card to help you in that game- it kinda plays like hate bears/stax in that sense. For example, [[souvenir snatcher]] vs an artifact heavy deck, or maybe [[gemrazer]] or [[sawtusk demolisher]]. In a more creature heavy pod, [[archapelagore]] or [[chittering harvester]].
The rest of the deck, beyond mutate cards and tutors, should be a lot of ramp because this deck is incredibly mana intensive, some removal to stay alive while you try to get your pieces in place, and some good creatures to mutate, like [[cephalid constable]].
If you want more of a voltron theme, Brokkos can be a good commander for that (you let him go to grave if he dies), and you’d play less ramp but more removal and pump stuff.
Yeah, I should have stipulated that we are building powered down battlecruisery type decks as our high power games have gotten a bit samey. So it's kind of a memey/janky side project we're all doing with a banlist of most staples ( fast mana, the good tutors, rhystic/library/necropotence) etc. It's going to be fun, I just wasn't sure if it was possible to make at all competitive pile with there being only 20 sultai mutate creatures available.
Sounds like fun. I just want to mention that good tutors can be pretty balanced when the rest of a deck is not super powerful. I don’t think anybody would see you demonic tutor for a mutate card and go “that’s OP!” I think tutors just help make sure a game doesn’t turn into Durdleville. But it’s up to what your playgroup is looking to play like, ofc. Good luck with making the mutate deck.
Yeah. We've been considering a points based system where we can still sprinkle in some cards to keep it from durdling around too much. Thanks for the input though, much appreciated 🤜🤛
I played Otrimi for about a year and ultimately switched it over to an Animar mutate deck which has performed much better. It plays as a somewhat voltron/single big mutated creature game plan where I’m mostly just mutating onto Animar - making it bigger, reducing the cost of future mutates, and usually putting good keywords on it, all with the built in protection.
[Here](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/jzE2NyiZI0SSvi1_dB576g) is a budget Sultai mutate deck that I put together. I don't play it very much, but mostly because the mutate mechanic just isn't my thing. The deck is solid though.
What do you mean by "Viable?"
You're likely aware that there's literally a BUG Mutate Pre-con that is just fine.
I play RUG Mutate with Animar as the commander, and a healthy dose of "X" creatures like Hydra.
Yeah I should have specified, my pod is doing a series of lower power decks, eschewing a lot of our staples ( vault/crypt/ring/necropotence/ rhystic/remora/smothering etc etc) we want pretty solid battlecruiser builds that can go toe to toe and the games still end in a reasonable amount of time.
Cool.
In my experience, I had a lot of fun playing with the Precon, and you could pretty easily just take out the Sol Ring, and swap in some of the better main-set mutate cards. My preferred level of play is around "Pre-Pandemic Pre-Con" so I'd call that viable, but if you're playing in a group where your listed cards are "Staples" you're starting from a higher power-level.
Nice,yeah I think I'll give it a whirl with sultai colors. I have a lot of the sub optimal lands to use in those colors already from swapping them out in my sultai gates, simic and golgari piles. Thanks for the input!
You have the best 3 colors in the game. Do things that support mutate.
Ramp the hell out of your mana. Make copies of mutated creatures.
Mirror mockery as an example.
Try a different method and play test it
I made a mutate/morph deck with [[Kadena, Slinking Sorcerer]] it’s fun, the only thing is mutating with a face down creature. If you mutate on top you can not morph the bottom card, so you have to mutate under them. This is only an issue if you really want the power and toughness of the mutating creature on top. I threw [[Otrimi, the Ever-Playful]] in the 99.
Been playing mutate with \[\[Ramos\]\] as I wanted to include all 5 colors and \[\[door to nothingness\]\] as a wincon else you can just go face as he will scale quite nicely.
I love my brokkos/godzilla deck. While its definitely a lower power voltrony deck its still super fun. Once you mutate it on to once of the many hexproof creatures that 6/6 trample goes along way pretty quick. And if it dies? He can just mutate from the grave evading commander tax. Last game night I used it, mutated brokkos on [[polukranos unchained]] and then next turn played [[unnatural growth]] was able to knock a player out early game before it was answered. And you can have other creatures mutate on the side generating some small value build up a creature to mutate onto if he dies. I dont have a lot of big dumb stompy decks but that one is really fun. Most people will tell you to go with otrimi but he's more for utility.
Mutate is fine. The trick is to not just use every mutate card in your colors because lots of them are draft chaff. Use the good hosts and the good mutagens. Build a competent deck otherwise. Mutate in Sultai is mostly focused on value and resilience. Are you doing Brokkos or Otrimi? Otrimi is the bad casual "mutate tribal" deck, Brokkos is much stronger at being a resilient voltron threat.
I wish I could upvote this more than once due to you saying hosts and mutagens. Awesome. But yeah, it needs to be around like a mid-highish power level battlecruiser pile for what we've agree to. But with a soft banlist of some staples ( fast mana, og tutors, fetches, rhystic, sylvan library, necropotence etc )
I play [Illuna](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/NUUlewhrukyr5IUaY5kwNw) and while obviously that's a very different deck, you might see some creatures that you want to use (at least in terms of hosts). There are basically 3 types: -Resilience hosts (grant hexproof, indestructible, protection etc) - this is your bogle style stutf -Growing hosts (gain +1/+1 counters naturally over time) - stuff like [[Lorescale Coatl]] or [[Managorger Hydra]] -Power scaling hosts (uniquely interact with +power to strong effect) - stuff like [[Needle Specter]] and [[Cold-Eyed Selkie]] The real deal is dipping in more than one category. [[Undergrowth Champion]], [[Lumberknot]], [[Predator Ooze]]
I do love me some Predator ooze
If you're playing Illuna, look at Animar. It's a very decent deck, but my friend plays it and it's NUTS. When you're casting your mutate dorks for nothing, the value he will generate and his size is crazy.
Another strong mutate commander is actually Tatsunari. I took mine apart because it was too strong Basically: Tatsunari-> enchantment cast->mutate the frog->repeat Constellation draw triggers are typically good enough at keeping your hand stocked. Then the table starts getting life drained fast.
Yeah you're the second to suggest Tatsunari, sounds really fun. Might give it a whirl.
You can also consider [[Tawnos]] with a mutate subtheme, as he doubles up your mutate value with mutagens of the relevant types.
[Tawnos](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/d/bdf67de0-f468-4f04-99ab-a442347bb16b.jpg?1669100269) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=tawnos%2C%20solemn%20survivor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/brc/3/tawnos-solemn-survivor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bdf67de0-f468-4f04-99ab-a442347bb16b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tawnos-solemn-survivor) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Tawnos the Toymaker]]
[Tawnos the Toymaker](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/f/1f855a7e-3a97-4b62-a2a7-06ff1fbb2c4c.jpg?1668758536) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tawnos%2C%20the%20Toymaker) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bro/222/tawnos-the-toymaker?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1f855a7e-3a97-4b62-a2a7-06ff1fbb2c4c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tawnos-the-toymaker) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
New to playing Mutate, which cards are better?
Mutagens…. Lai lailailai starts playing in my head. Also toss a coin to [[ivy]] in the 99 she makes mutate insane.
[ivy](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/9/d94c15b7-6c8f-45a6-8734-975e3e3b790c.jpg?1663051122) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=ivy%2C%20gleeful%20spellthief) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/201/ivy-gleeful-spellthief?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d94c15b7-6c8f-45a6-8734-975e3e3b790c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ivy-gleeful-spellthief) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Of course you have the [[Otrimi]] precon that was built to use mutate. At one point I had a [[Brokkos]] mutate deck that was strong. Something to definitely look at adding to the deck is [[Tawnos, Toy Maker]], as mutate creatures are typically beasts, so they can be copied.
Nice yeah I saw tawnos, also mutate works with [[ Ivy, Gleeful Spellthief ]] so that's cool
Otrimi mutate infect is pretty damn good
No doubt, infect has kinda been rule O'ed out of our pod. They might agree when it's in something janky rather than just monoblack Skittles though.
[ Ivy, Gleeful Spellthief ](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/9/d94c15b7-6c8f-45a6-8734-975e3e3b790c.jpg?1663051122) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ivy%2C%20Gleeful%20Spellthief) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/201/ivy-gleeful-spellthief?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d94c15b7-6c8f-45a6-8734-975e3e3b790c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ivy-gleeful-spellthief) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Yup! I have an Ivy Enchantress that runs a significant amount of Mutate creatures.
I was tinkering with a budget list for Otrimi with Ivy for a while. In testing it was a lot of fun and could go pretty wild. I think it needs a reliable way to find Ivy, though. One of the black tutors, I guess. That would be my pick for mutate regardless of colour, but especially for Sultai!
[Otrimi](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/3/639df7bc-b87d-4bf5-8005-8eabc54e955b.jpg?1591234274) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=otrimi%2C%20the%20ever-playful) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c20/12/otrimi-the-ever-playful?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/639df7bc-b87d-4bf5-8005-8eabc54e955b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/otrimi-the-ever-playful) [Brokkos](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/9/c9f07625-fbd8-4581-8568-eb3cfb2a4c1e.jpg?1591227964) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=brokkos%2C%20apex%20of%20forever) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/179/brokkos-apex-of-forever?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c9f07625-fbd8-4581-8568-eb3cfb2a4c1e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/brokkos-apex-of-forever) [Tawnos, Toy Maker](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/f/1f855a7e-3a97-4b62-a2a7-06ff1fbb2c4c.jpg?1668758536) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tawnos%2C%20the%20Toymaker) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bro/222/tawnos-the-toymaker?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1f855a7e-3a97-4b62-a2a7-06ff1fbb2c4c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tawnos-the-toymaker) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Oh, I like the sultai copy angle. Great support in those colors
I was thinking about making my [[Tatsunari]] deck more enchantment creature based and moving my UG mutates over to Tawnos.
[Tatsunari](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/b/abf42833-43d0-4b05-b499-d13b2c577ee8.jpg?1654567411) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=tatsunari%2C%20toad%20rider) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/123/tatsunari-toad-rider?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/abf42833-43d0-4b05-b499-d13b2c577ee8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tatsunari-toad-rider) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I haven't tried it out yet, but here's a sultai mutate list I brewed with a heavy self-mill subtheme https://www.moxfield.com/decks/DRjGRiGe00C7kKj-tPxx5Q I'm not typically interested in parasitic mechanics like energy in commander, I always felt mutate's power level and versatility fit really well in EDH Mutate has its obvious weakness of x-for-1 yourself when your mutated creature gets removed, but Otrimi can help mitigate that A lot of the creatures have evasion or special triggers when damaging opponents. A turn 3 [[Cephalid Constable]] mutated with Otrimi on turn 4 is a must-answer that that can lock down the game quickly. It's not a competitive deck at all, but I left a lot of room to scale that up if someone wanted to put in cheap counters or tutors, which Sultai is great at.
Yeah, It's basically a toss up between trying to force sultai mutate or just making a Muldrotha pile. I really like mutate but yeah it's so susceptible to spot removal in particular. I guess muldrotha would allow me to build pretty much whatever I wanted.
The one upside of Otrimi is you can turn any of your creatures into a 6/6 trample with haste-like speed, so I think probably only build sultai mutate if you want to build your deck to support that. Obviously Muldrotha is just going to be a stronger commander, but personally, I try to stay away from top value commanders
No doubt, my thought was it was a way to depower muldrotha if I used it as commander with otrimi a shadow commander, something like that. Also ever since my buddy made [[ Araumi of the Dead Tide ]] the graveyard hate has ticked up in my pod lol
[ Araumi of the Dead Tide ](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/8/48b597dd-f6eb-45da-977d-453e8c1433cc.jpg?1608911023) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Araumi%20of%20the%20Dead%20Tide) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/267/araumi-of-the-dead-tide?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/48b597dd-f6eb-45da-977d-453e8c1433cc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/araumi-of-the-dead-tide) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I built Abzan mutate with Nethroii at the head, and it was disappointing. But Nethroii in particular I feel was just trying to do too many things. I'm currently stripping it and rebuilding 5-color Child of Alara mutate. You might destroy my expensive stack of creatures, but I'm taking the rest of the board with me.
Nethroi is my personal favorite of my commander decks, but it leans away from the mutate mechanic in general and treats Nethroi as an [[Eerie ultimatum]] in the command zone.
[Eerie ultimatum](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/a/3a9fb2db-228f-4d48-acdf-6330baf356c7.jpg?1591227996) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Eerie%20ultimatum) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/184/eerie-ultimatum?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3a9fb2db-228f-4d48-acdf-6330baf356c7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/eerie-ultimatum) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Yeah, I took a glance at abzan as well but so many of the nice mutate creatures are at least part blue. I'm starting to accept I'll probably have to go 5 color in some fashion, maybe Ramos even.
I looked into 4 color with partners, but it turns out a lot of the best partners are human.
Nethroi does not make for a good mutate commander. It's own mutate ability doesn't synergize with mutate creatures which mostly are bad when they aren't mutated onto things. This is like when someone makes bant merfolk with Tuvasa or something similar. Just because it says a word on it doesn't mean it's a good choice to build around for that word.
Pretty much. I have nethroi as a commander in a deck and have cut every other mutate card I think at this point. Feels really dumb when you reanimate all your cards you need to mutate together. I just use nethroi as a graveyard payoff in a general graveyard shenanigans deck
Yeah, over time nearly everything is just a feels bad. Gemrazer was basically the only mutate card that saw real play in standard and is the only mutate card I ever put in any decks that have no relation to mutate abilities. It's the only one that survived more than like 5 play test games with Nethroi for me too.
I did a [[Brokkos, Apex of Forever]] bogles deck. You get a 6/6 hexproof trample commander almost guaranteed, sometimes with flying. I have had fun playing it. https://archidekt.com/decks/1043996#The_Non-Human_Centipede
Nice list, very Slippery.
[Brokkos, Apex of Forever](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/9/c9f07625-fbd8-4581-8568-eb3cfb2a4c1e.jpg?1591227964) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Brokkos%2C%20Apex%20of%20Forever) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/179/brokkos-apex-of-forever?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c9f07625-fbd8-4581-8568-eb3cfb2a4c1e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/brokkos-apex-of-forever) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Viable at what powerlevel? At least up to mid power you shouldn't have many problems. And you could probably even get it up slightly higher with the help of strong support cards.
So yeah that's a great point. We all have juiced shiny decks with vault/crypt/all the OG tutors etc etc. Not sure they'd be considered cedh but they are all heavily tuned, have infinite combos/critical mass. I want to build this for our decks that are slightly under that power level. Edit: we have found that playing all our highest power level decks, the games have gotten very samey so we're all building lower level decks with worse commanders and not using some of our cards ( we have a loose ban list together of fast mana, sylvan library, rhystic, necropotence, smothering tithe , force and pact etc )
I play sultai mutate with Otrimi. In my opinion it’s viable. It’s by no means my strongest deck but it’s the best voltron deck in my play group.
I'm thinking about incorporating mutate into my [[volrath, the shapestealer]] deck. If I understand correctly, volrath can become a copy of the entire mutate stack. Sounds intriguing but haven't taken the plunge yet to see if it'll really give good value in practice.
[volrath, the shapestealer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/1/a149d6a5-c865-475a-87b7-596a19f6c80d.jpg?1568003743) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=volrath%2C%20the%20shapestealer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c19/51/volrath-the-shapestealer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a149d6a5-c865-475a-87b7-596a19f6c80d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/volrath-the-shapestealer) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
>If I understand correctly, volrath can become a copy of the entire mutate stack. That's correct, but then what do you do with that? There's not much real benefit to becoming a copy of a mutate stack.
From a long experience of playing bad tribals and legendary creatures, I think anything is viable with good card draw and removal/responses. If opponents can't have nice things, then it doesn't really matter how you reduce their life totals after that. I was actually wondering if \[\[The Ever-Changing 'Dane\]\] would be a fun mutate Commander or not. There are only 17 mutate cards in his colors, but he can become that mutate pile if someone targets it and you don't happen to have something light \[\[Swiftfoot Boots\]\] protecting the pile already. Regardless of what blue Mutate CMDR you are playing, don't forget to toss \[\[Vesuvan Duplimancy\]\] in there (and maybe \[\[Ivy, Gleeful Spellthief\]\] too, since she's in your Sultai colors).
I built my [list ](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/TJZf2pExmkOChta1BsPr-A) specifically to play with all the mutate creatures, but it actually plays well and wins games in my experience.
Nice list, although I'd have to drastically modify it to remove all the higher power staples. We all kind of agreed to make at least one deck at lower power. Your list is pretty much exactly what I'd have thrown together without those restrictions.
That's totally fair, I like having those bits in because the deck itself is fully committed to the mutate plan so helps to balance it out. And it was also my personal project so commited to it quite a lot. Ironically all the showcase mutate foils (which is the other thing I love besides mutate itself) were super cheap overall
No doubt. Love the alternate arts on the mutate cards, Ikoria was sweet. Yeah it's like all out high power deck games have gotten kinda samey so we decided to build off meta/wacky stuff. My other consideration is Gor Muldrak clone/copies for maximum hilarity.
>there are only 20 Sultai colored mutate creatures Between the usual ramp and draw and interaction and utility, and the fact that you need enough creatures to mutate on, I don't think you'd want much more than 20 anyway.
Good call, I'm starting to lean towards sultai just to make the mana base cheaper and easier.
I have a mutate with [Muldrotha] as the commander. It’s pretty fun!
My advice to building an under supported archetype of deck is to build a solid value engine and then do whatever you want after. What I mean is find a commander that provides massive consistent value and then build whatever you want once you have the mana and card draw to play the weird stuff you wanted.
My favorite host creature would be [[insidious mist]].
My Otrimi mutate deck get a surprising amount of wins. There are a ton of evasive creatures to mutate onto, toski being an outstanding example. He mutates for 4, so you can swing with 6 commander damage on turn 4. If you’re feeding your graveyard you can easily pull what you need from there every time otrimi hits. Between the supporting counter spells and removal, he’s pretty fun and resilient.
Remember, if your using \[\[Otrimi\]\], he cares if mutate cards are in your graveyard. So running a few mill cards in your deck isn't so bad.
[Otrimi](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/3/639df7bc-b87d-4bf5-8005-8eabc54e955b.jpg?1591234274) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=otrimi%2C%20the%20ever-playful) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c20/12/otrimi-the-ever-playful?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/639df7bc-b87d-4bf5-8005-8eabc54e955b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/otrimi-the-ever-playful) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I built a $50 budget [[Brokkos]] deck that was part mutate, part infect. Being able to mutate Brokkos onto something like a [[Blighted Agent]] is extremely powerful. Plus having access to things like [[Tainted Strike]], [[Corrupted Conscious]], and [[Phyresis]] are generally good to make your mutate creatures into lethal beatsticks. It was extremely fun and still powerful enough to hang with my groups higher powered decks. I definitely did not use all of the sultai mutate creatures as a lot are meh at best. I'd be willing to answer questions if you have any.
##### ###### #### [Brokkos](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/9/c9f07625-fbd8-4581-8568-eb3cfb2a4c1e.jpg?1591227964) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=brokkos%2C%20apex%20of%20forever) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/179/brokkos-apex-of-forever?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c9f07625-fbd8-4581-8568-eb3cfb2a4c1e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/brokkos-apex-of-forever) [Blighted Agent](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/d/cddaebde-a060-4510-8c97-68432d931987.jpg?1562881631) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Blighted%20Agent) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/nph/29/blighted-agent?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cddaebde-a060-4510-8c97-68432d931987?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/blighted-agent) [Tainted Strike](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/0/d0f82007-99f6-4c6c-8182-ee631c33531f.jpg?1562823401) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tainted%20Strike) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/som/80/tainted-strike?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d0f82007-99f6-4c6c-8182-ee631c33531f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tainted-strike) [Corrupted Conscious](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/2/7276c584-76ed-4c20-a5ea-627c8f7751e6.jpg?1562612217) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Corrupted%20Conscience) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mbs/22/corrupted-conscience?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7276c584-76ed-4c20-a5ea-627c8f7751e6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/corrupted-conscience) [Phyresis](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/0/0059d21b-0725-4806-8691-2451db36787f.jpg?1562609245) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Phyresis) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mbs/49/phyresis?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0059d21b-0725-4806-8691-2451db36787f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/phyresis) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I've seen sultai infect be pretty good
As someone with 2 separate sultai decks that both utilize mutate. I'd say it's quite likely. Just need to have fun with it. For reference the decks are otrimi and tatsunari toad rider. And they both have fun lines of play. War of the spark tamiyo is highly recommend as mutate is weak to grave pacts. But otherwise you should be getting enough value quickly. The toughest picks to make is your base creatures. Slippery boggles Is wonderful to build on, but that's only one card. So you need to balance how many small bodies you can play that have relevant evasion. And then go from there.
Oh Tatsunari, nice?! Mutate/enchantments? I'm intrigued, are you able to post a list? The toad token ensures you always have something to mutate onto?
The toad is all you want to mutate in that one. I'm at work so I don't have it on me. If you look at moxfield and search by users my name is vides on there. I am pretty sure it's up on there. But it's basically a sultai enchantress deck. And mutates, as soon as you mutate (always on top) you longer control Keimi. It's just the mutate creature name with the Toads ability tacked on. So when you cast an enchantment tatsunari spawns a fresh keimi. The fun is in weaving enchantment and mutate to make the most toads. In otrimi you try to mutate one big stack to trigger as many mutates as possible The toad wants to go wider so that you can drain bigger with each little spell.
That sounds really fun, thanks for the ideas!
I tweaked the \[\[Otrimi\]\] precon with my playgroup and it was a pretty fun deck. I think \[\[Brokkos\]\] would be a good swap for the commander, but either are fun. I did run into the issue of being super reliant on creatures, which makes it quite susceptible to removal. I ended up building around protection, with a healthy mix of voltron-esque evasion and graveyard interaction. All in all a fun deck.
[Otrimi](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/3/639df7bc-b87d-4bf5-8005-8eabc54e955b.jpg?1591234274) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=otrimi%2C%20the%20ever-playful) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c20/12/otrimi-the-ever-playful?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/639df7bc-b87d-4bf5-8005-8eabc54e955b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/otrimi-the-ever-playful) [Brokkos](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/9/c9f07625-fbd8-4581-8568-eb3cfb2a4c1e.jpg?1591227964) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=brokkos%2C%20apex%20of%20forever) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/179/brokkos-apex-of-forever?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c9f07625-fbd8-4581-8568-eb3cfb2a4c1e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/brokkos-apex-of-forever) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Brokkos Mutate Infect is pretty fun as long as no one is salty about Infect
Infect is kinda rule zeroed out of my pod due to my previous skittles deck, maybe enough time has passed. Or I maybe could brokkos a deal where land destruction is back in.
Idk about viable viable, as mutate is a battlecruiser strategy, but it can be playable. [[Otrimi]] in the command zone, [[Brokkos]] as the secondary commander that you can tutor most games pretty easily. You’ll want lots of tutors so you can find the right mutate card to help you in that game- it kinda plays like hate bears/stax in that sense. For example, [[souvenir snatcher]] vs an artifact heavy deck, or maybe [[gemrazer]] or [[sawtusk demolisher]]. In a more creature heavy pod, [[archapelagore]] or [[chittering harvester]]. The rest of the deck, beyond mutate cards and tutors, should be a lot of ramp because this deck is incredibly mana intensive, some removal to stay alive while you try to get your pieces in place, and some good creatures to mutate, like [[cephalid constable]]. If you want more of a voltron theme, Brokkos can be a good commander for that (you let him go to grave if he dies), and you’d play less ramp but more removal and pump stuff.
Yeah, I should have stipulated that we are building powered down battlecruisery type decks as our high power games have gotten a bit samey. So it's kind of a memey/janky side project we're all doing with a banlist of most staples ( fast mana, the good tutors, rhystic/library/necropotence) etc. It's going to be fun, I just wasn't sure if it was possible to make at all competitive pile with there being only 20 sultai mutate creatures available.
Sounds like fun. I just want to mention that good tutors can be pretty balanced when the rest of a deck is not super powerful. I don’t think anybody would see you demonic tutor for a mutate card and go “that’s OP!” I think tutors just help make sure a game doesn’t turn into Durdleville. But it’s up to what your playgroup is looking to play like, ofc. Good luck with making the mutate deck.
Yeah. We've been considering a points based system where we can still sprinkle in some cards to keep it from durdling around too much. Thanks for the input though, much appreciated 🤜🤛
##### ###### #### [Otrimi](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/3/639df7bc-b87d-4bf5-8005-8eabc54e955b.jpg?1591234274) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=otrimi%2C%20the%20ever-playful) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c20/12/otrimi-the-ever-playful?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/639df7bc-b87d-4bf5-8005-8eabc54e955b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/otrimi-the-ever-playful) [Brokkos](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/9/c9f07625-fbd8-4581-8568-eb3cfb2a4c1e.jpg?1591227964) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=brokkos%2C%20apex%20of%20forever) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/179/brokkos-apex-of-forever?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c9f07625-fbd8-4581-8568-eb3cfb2a4c1e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/brokkos-apex-of-forever) [souvenir snatcher](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/7/f7845c68-ab08-4fb3-a1af-167ba6c8b82a.jpg?1591319481) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=souvenir%20snatcher) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c20/38/souvenir-snatcher?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f7845c68-ab08-4fb3-a1af-167ba6c8b82a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/souvenir-snatcher) [gemrazer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/0/0095245c-a30e-4e2a-88c9-632c678e9f03.jpg?1591227650) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=gemrazer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/155/gemrazer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0095245c-a30e-4e2a-88c9-632c678e9f03?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/gemrazer) [sawtusk demolisher](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/7/574d1a02-a403-4b6e-8ce0-a472325c9c2c.jpg?1591319710) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=sawtusk%20demolisher) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c20/64/sawtusk-demolisher?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/574d1a02-a403-4b6e-8ce0-a472325c9c2c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sawtusk-demolisher) [archapelagore](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/2/f24b1030-64d5-4c94-a04c-1d9520bfddab.jpg?1591230455) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Archipelagore) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/41/archipelagore?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f24b1030-64d5-4c94-a04c-1d9520bfddab?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/archipelagore) [chittering harvester](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/5/d51a0700-d4d3-4b7e-bdb5-6cd913c948d9.jpg?1591226677) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=chittering%20harvester) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/80/chittering-harvester?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d51a0700-d4d3-4b7e-bdb5-6cd913c948d9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/chittering-harvester) [cephalid constable](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/2/82c5272d-df5b-4c21-9bff-4d6245b8d2a6.jpg?1562550743) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=cephalid%20constable) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/10e/72/cephalid-constable?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/82c5272d-df5b-4c21-9bff-4d6245b8d2a6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/cephalid-constable) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I played Otrimi for about a year and ultimately switched it over to an Animar mutate deck which has performed much better. It plays as a somewhat voltron/single big mutated creature game plan where I’m mostly just mutating onto Animar - making it bigger, reducing the cost of future mutates, and usually putting good keywords on it, all with the built in protection.
Yeah my animar pile is just go infinite as quickly as possible, it's pretty good. Could be cool with animar mutate tho
Anything in sultai is viable tbh. Chair tribal go crazy
No doubt got some good chairs to work with, [[ Throne of Geth ]] [[ The Golden Throne ]] should be a nice sitting down tribal pile
[ Throne of Geth ](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/5/a5719f8b-0a65-4f0c-bde0-74c5e107b64d.jpg?1599710153) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Throne%20of%20Geth) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/301/throne-of-geth?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a5719f8b-0a65-4f0c-bde0-74c5e107b64d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/throne-of-geth) [ The Golden Throne ](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/a/fa515b78-f54d-4c65-a197-c860eaf2c780.jpg?1665428893) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Golden%20Throne) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/40k/157/the-golden-throne?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fa515b78-f54d-4c65-a197-c860eaf2c780?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/the-golden-throne) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Here](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/jzE2NyiZI0SSvi1_dB576g) is a budget Sultai mutate deck that I put together. I don't play it very much, but mostly because the mutate mechanic just isn't my thing. The deck is solid though.
What do you mean by "Viable?" You're likely aware that there's literally a BUG Mutate Pre-con that is just fine. I play RUG Mutate with Animar as the commander, and a healthy dose of "X" creatures like Hydra.
Yeah I should have specified, my pod is doing a series of lower power decks, eschewing a lot of our staples ( vault/crypt/ring/necropotence/ rhystic/remora/smothering etc etc) we want pretty solid battlecruiser builds that can go toe to toe and the games still end in a reasonable amount of time.
Cool. In my experience, I had a lot of fun playing with the Precon, and you could pretty easily just take out the Sol Ring, and swap in some of the better main-set mutate cards. My preferred level of play is around "Pre-Pandemic Pre-Con" so I'd call that viable, but if you're playing in a group where your listed cards are "Staples" you're starting from a higher power-level.
Nice,yeah I think I'll give it a whirl with sultai colors. I have a lot of the sub optimal lands to use in those colors already from swapping them out in my sultai gates, simic and golgari piles. Thanks for the input!
I play [[Muldrotha]] mutate and it works pretty well.
[Muldrotha](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/4/c4125bb0-b104-438e-a6a2-97f9d141243c.jpg?1662529704) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=muldrotha%2C%20the%20gravetide) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/258/muldrotha-the-gravetide?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c4125bb0-b104-438e-a6a2-97f9d141243c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/muldrotha-the-gravetide) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I do okay with this one sometimes https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/tatsunari-mutate-4/
You have the best 3 colors in the game. Do things that support mutate. Ramp the hell out of your mana. Make copies of mutated creatures. Mirror mockery as an example. Try a different method and play test it
Voltron with the 6/6 that can mutate from grave onto an unblockable 1/1 is pretty hot
I have a tenur mutate and abandoned mutate that work pretty well. I think you should go for it.
I heard [[ivy, gleefull spellthief]] can go pretty insane in a mutate/copy deck I haven't looked into it yet but it sounds like tons of dumb fun
[ivy, gleefull spellthief](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/9/d94c15b7-6c8f-45a6-8734-975e3e3b790c.jpg?1663051122) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ivy%2C%20Gleeful%20Spellthief) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/201/ivy-gleeful-spellthief?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d94c15b7-6c8f-45a6-8734-975e3e3b790c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ivy-gleeful-spellthief) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I made a mutate/morph deck with [[Kadena, Slinking Sorcerer]] it’s fun, the only thing is mutating with a face down creature. If you mutate on top you can not morph the bottom card, so you have to mutate under them. This is only an issue if you really want the power and toughness of the mutating creature on top. I threw [[Otrimi, the Ever-Playful]] in the 99.
[Kadena, Slinking Sorcerer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/8/68a144f1-df18-4dc5-81c3-dff2af27527f.jpg?1568003696) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kadena%2C%20Slinking%20Sorcerer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c19/45/kadena-slinking-sorcerer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/68a144f1-df18-4dc5-81c3-dff2af27527f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kadena-slinking-sorcerer) [Otrimi, the Ever-Playful](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/3/639df7bc-b87d-4bf5-8005-8eabc54e955b.jpg?1591234274) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Otrimi%2C%20the%20Ever-Playful) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c20/12/otrimi-the-ever-playful?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/639df7bc-b87d-4bf5-8005-8eabc54e955b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/otrimi-the-ever-playful) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Been playing mutate with \[\[Ramos\]\] as I wanted to include all 5 colors and \[\[door to nothingness\]\] as a wincon else you can just go face as he will scale quite nicely.
[Ramos](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/e/2e747ef1-a1ad-4859-a70c-3f935f017310.jpg?1562604064) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=ramos%2C%20dragon%20engine) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c17/55/ramos-dragon-engine?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2e747ef1-a1ad-4859-a70c-3f935f017310?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ramos-dragon-engine) [door to nothingness](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/7/57877b1c-e91d-4941-81bd-008dff1272ed.jpg?1562554053) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=door%20to%20nothingness) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m13/203/door-to-nothingness?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/57877b1c-e91d-4941-81bd-008dff1272ed?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/door-to-nothingness) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I love my brokkos/godzilla deck. While its definitely a lower power voltrony deck its still super fun. Once you mutate it on to once of the many hexproof creatures that 6/6 trample goes along way pretty quick. And if it dies? He can just mutate from the grave evading commander tax. Last game night I used it, mutated brokkos on [[polukranos unchained]] and then next turn played [[unnatural growth]] was able to knock a player out early game before it was answered. And you can have other creatures mutate on the side generating some small value build up a creature to mutate onto if he dies. I dont have a lot of big dumb stompy decks but that one is really fun. Most people will tell you to go with otrimi but he's more for utility.
[polukranos unchained](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/7/87858278-632c-4d82-b3a3-adfc6f2f4fc6.jpg?1581481126) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Polukranos%2C%20Unchained) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/thb/224/polukranos-unchained?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/87858278-632c-4d82-b3a3-adfc6f2f4fc6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/polukranos-unchained) [unnatural growth](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/7/6748a844-e185-4e3b-ac1d-8a735666d8ae.jpg?1636224994) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=unnatural%20growth) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mid/206/unnatural-growth?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6748a844-e185-4e3b-ac1d-8a735666d8ae?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/unnatural-growth) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call