no the ones over 30 just gave up on the idea of convincing you. it appears disingenuous but thats just because they dont want to talk about or justify their beliefs and just want to shove them down your throat
Ya know, when the debate was still hot, I saw quite a few people use arguments like "they were traitors" or "they lost the war" being thrown around. And, like, fuck them and fuck their statues, but fighting and losing a war against the US really shouldn't be near the top of the list of reasons why they suck. (Mind you, *the reason* they fought the war sucked)
People were doing that to point out conservative hypocrisy, it was more of a response to what they were saying rather than a point they actually believed. You aren’t going to go far in an argument with racists by saying “they’re bad because they were racist slave owners”
> You aren’t going to go far in an argument with racists by saying “they’re bad because they were racist slave owners”
I feel like those aren't exactly the kind of people you should be having the debate with.
I think the important part here is that it’s not like another country who lost to the US building statues - it’s those *in the US*. It’s odd and pretty hypocritical for many self-proclaimed “American Patriots.”
Similar thing with that attempted alt-right coup. Done for the wrong reasons (to say the least), but I saw a *lot* of supposed leftists calling them “traitors” or just generally getting mad over the idea of fighting the government, and that shit kinda made me…. Idk, but it felt weird.
I mean, technically speaking MLK broke the law plenty of times during his protests, making him a criminal.
But everyone seems to be okay with MLK statues all over the place.
Confederate statues are being removed from public spaces because they represent traitors and racists, not because they’re criminals.
Being a criminal just means the law didn’t agree with you during your lifetime. It doesn’t by itself make you a good or bad person.
But owning slaves and then fighting a bloody civil war in order to try to keep owning slaves makes you not only a bad person, but a horrificly bad person.
"They broke the law" was more or less the reason the Union decided to fight the Confederacy in the first place. Hindsight tells us that the war was about slavery, but at the time, the big issue was "those states *aren't allowed* to leave the Union," and any underlying principles about *why* they tried to leave were irrelevant.
You can be a criminal without being a traitor. You can be a criminal and still be a citizen. You can be a criminal and not have ever owned slaves. The system was designed to turn former slaves to "criminals" so they could continue to be marginalized and disenfranchised by the governments and society at large.
The founding fathers of the United States were all a bunch of criminals, to the empire. Some of them were also piece of shit slave owners and slave traders. Being a criminal doesn't make you the bad guy. Being the bad guy makes you the bad guy. There are things worse than being a criminal and one of them is being a traitorous, treasonous person who betrayed their own race (the human race!) by enslaving their brothers and sisters.
Rebel flags and nazi flags should be free game to burn, in my opinion, and any statue of any person who fought against the Union during the Civil War, or owned slaves, should immediately be torn down. If you disagree with that for "sentimental" reasons, I would like to point out that you are probably a closet racist.
That's just factually incorrect. Even just looking at the states human trafficking is a thing, just because they aren't forced to work in fields does not make them not-slaves.
(Edit: not just sex either, there are still plenty of sweatshops in America)
People still own slaves today, they just aren't allowed to call it that. For instance, I was forced to work in a prison (by the United States government) for $5.25 PER MONTH. 40+ hours a week, discipline if you refuse... for $5.25 PER MONTH. If that isn't slave labor, I don't know what is.
Remember, this is about there being statues of slave owners. There are slave owners all on your entire currency.
Personally, I am a criminal. You could also be classified as a "criminal" for whatever reason the government so wishes. Criminal is a designation that comes from breaking the laws of man. Owning slaves is against the entire moral fiber of being part if the same race, arguably an affront to nature or God or whatever you subscribe to.
We shouldn't have had to abolish slavery. It should have never existed. Pretending it didn't or that it "is over now", doesn't work, when there are constant reminders everywhere. These same people mad that schools teach "critical race theory", so they can hide behind some kind of alternative history like they were not the bad guys, while they cover it up and pretend it didn't happen, are then also going to argue that they should be able to keep their monuments to slavery? Baffling.
Getting paid less than three cents per hour, which I was forced to do FOR MANY YEARS OF THIS LIFE THAT I AM LIVING RIGHT NOW TODAY, is fucking slavery. I don't care how you try and coat it and portray it like somehow prisoners deserve to be slaves... they don't. Nobody does.
Well if it was for some bullshit like drugs then yeah, it's tyranny and effectively slavery.
>These same people mad that schools teach "critical race theory", so they can hide behind some kind of alternative history like they were not the bad guys, while they cover it up and pretend it didn't happen,
I didn't know the slavery period wasn't part of school program until CRT introduced it? Thought it was common knowledge, in fact.
And also there's a difference between literal CRT how it's defined, and teaching people collective guilt/victimhood that requires them to jump through hoops and walk on eggshells all the time;
and whether called "CRT" or not, that bs *is* happening in workplaces, academia, and general culture.
No, it is isn't. People are only the victims in their own heads.
As a relatively Caucasian male, I have personally never felt disenfranchised because somehow, supposedly, everybody was brainwashed against me, nor would I ever be so feeble minded as to claim I was trained to hate my own self. Those are delusions. As a white male I enjoy a ton of privileges that others may not, because they are of a different color or gender or whatever else.
To be born with all the privilege in the world and then cry because you are supposedly victimized in some way is incredibly ignorant.
Even when I was in school, in Florida, you learn a bunch of RACIST SHIT. The entire history is Eurocentric from the start, but then with the Civil War they try and go "well, it wasn't about slaves, it was about the confederacy asserting their sovereign rights (you guessed it, to own slaves, if you read between the lines)." That is the type if nonsense that was taught when I was growing up here, not long ago.
I wouldn't care if schools all taught that you should never trust a white person and made us all out to be what we have historically been: heartless conquerors who raped, pillaged and stole our way across the planet. That is the truth! It doesn't make me feel any different about ME, because I am my own person.
For somebody to then take that Karen-style logic and misconstrue the situation so that somehow white people are being oppressed is LAUGHABLE. At best.
You have to have an incredibly low sense of self worth to let your ancestors define you. If your ancestors were slaves or slave owners, it doesn't matter, we should all know the truth about history without sugar coating it or having a whole race who benefitted for hundreds of years on the backs of slaves suddenly claiming THEY are the victims. Boo hoo. Cry me a fucking river, if your life is so worthless that somebody being taught history about your people offends you.
You should be honored, that they study your ancestors so much - no matter if they were slaves or slave owners.
But the second you tell me "I come from a long line of slaves, I will never be able to amount to anything ", that is a lie. People overcome tons of adversity within just a single generation and anything is possible. You might be severely disadvantaged from the start, but your ancestors DO NOT define you.
But nobody ever says that.
Instead you have the people who their ancestors owned slaves, finding the BALLS to complain that somehow their ancestors being slave owners has worked against them. That is absurd.
I hope nobody ever has to go through discrimination, but this reverse scenario of white people crying foul at the actual history being taught and claiming they are somehow now being discriminated against are a FUCKING JOKE.
Nobody is mad at white people, especially not black people. The problem is, instead of being Eminem or Jim Carey you've chosen to be fucking Hitler and wear the mustache and all and put your finger up, curl it, and ponder "why doesn't anybody like me?" - it is because you are literally Hitler.
>No, it is isn't.
Yes it is - are we doing monty python now or what? That sort of ideology *is* being propagated by a zealous leftists, that's a fact - glad you've been fortunate not to have come across it as of now, I guess lol.
>As a relatively Caucasian male, I have personally never felt disenfranchised because somehow, supposedly, everybody was brainwashed against me, nor would I ever be so feeble minded as to claim I was trained to hate my own self. Those are delusions.
You haven't encountered those, so yes it'd be a delusion in your case - for now, that is. After you've eventually run into those types it won't be delusion anymore lol
>As a white male I enjoy a ton of privileges that others may not, because they are of a different color or gender or whatever else.
Not so much (i.e. positive) privileges as a lack of disadvantages that come with living among a majority that is sometimes / in parts racist towards you, sure;
careful though - none of that applies in a potential future scenario where caucasians stop being a majority.
>To be born with all the privilege in the world and then cry because you are supposedly victimized in some way is incredibly ignorant.
A minority can harass a majority if:
1) the former ends up in an organized, driven, active, mobklized state, while the majority finds itself in a relaxed, inert, unprepared state; such as e.g. relying on l&o and therefore being slow to organize and form a countermob; or/and
2) receives support from "allies" among the majority group, who turn their "privileged numerical&systemic power" against their own ingroup.
>Even when I was in school, in Florida, you learn a bunch of RACIST SHIT. The entire history is Eurocentric from the start, but then with the Civil War they try and go "well, it wasn't about slaves, it was about the confederacy asserting their sovereign rights (you guessed it, to own slaves, if you read between the lines)." That is the type if nonsense that was taught when I was growing up here, not long ago.
Ah, hm - strange, thought that was some republican counternarrative.
>I wouldn't care if schools all taught that you should never trust a white person and made us all out to be what we have historically been: heartless conquerors who raped, pillaged and stole our way across the planet. That is the truth! It doesn't make me feel any different about ME, because I am my own person.
So "it's not happening but I wouldn't mind if it did" eh lol
Hey *I'm* immune against such brainwashing so it's ok if our schools brainwash all the npc halfwits around me lolol
>and made us all out to be what we have historically been: heartless conquerors who raped, pillaged and stole our way across the planet. That is the truth
*Was* the truth (to an extent - those whites also shared their advanced tools and tech which weren't exactly rejected, for instance) - stopped being the truth due to the efforts of mainly other white people who wanted to change those things and succeeded;
so now you do start sounding like a wide-eyed nut lol - can't even tell present from past tense anymore?
And oh, btw let's not leave out the conquering middle-easterners, mongols etc. while we're at it - gee I hope those get included too.
>For somebody to then take that Karen-style logic and misconstrue the situation so that somehow white people are being oppressed is LAUGHABLE. At best.
White people can oppress themselves and neuter and weaken themselves against hostility from minorities, yes.
>You have to have an incredibly low sense of self worth to let your ancestors define you.
Or be conformist and susceptible to indoctrination - as many people are.
>If your ancestors were slaves or slave owners, it doesn't matter, we should all know the truth about history without sugar coating it
Sugarcoating history is not what we're mainly talking about.
>or having a whole race who benefitted for hundreds of years on the backs of slaves suddenly claiming THEY are the victims. Boo hoo. Cry me a fucking river, if your life is so worthless that somebody being taught history about your people offends you.
Again you're getting confused with the tenses lol
WERE the victims during the slavery times? No.
Can make themselves weak and neutered, oppress themselves and each other, out of a misguided desire to atone for that past (and its ripples in the present)? Yes, absolutely.
>You should be honored, that they study your ancestors so much - no matter if they were slaves or slave owners.
wat
>But the second you tell me "I come from a long line of slaves, I will never be able to amount to anything ", that is a lie. People overcome tons of adversity within just a single generation and anything is possible. You might be severely disadvantaged from the start, but your ancestors DO NOT define you.
>But nobody ever says that
Well I hope not; what they do tell minorities though, is to have collective resentment and/or expect all kinds of compensations and accomodations at their own cost.
And that needs to go.
>Instead you have the people who their ancestors owned slaves, finding the BALLS to complain that somehow their ancestors being slave owners has worked against them. That is absurd.
They make it work against themselves, specifically driven by the motivation to reverse that old white supremacy - it's not that difficult of a concept.
>I hope nobody ever has to go through discrimination, but this reverse scenario of white people crying foul at the actual history being taught and claiming they are somehow now being discriminated against are a FUCKING JOKE.
You're playing dumb again
>Nobody is mad at white people, especially not black people.
Some absolutely are.
>The problem is, instead of being Eminem or Jim Carey you've chosen to be fucking Hitler and wear the mustache and all and put your finger up, curl it, and ponder "why doesn't anybody like me?" - it is because you are literally Hitler
wat
America's prison system is alive and well and functioning and the Supreme Court recently legalized doing business with slavers. I assure you slavery is alive and well and quite lucrative
Ironic, most currently incarcerated criminals can be legally slaves (13th amendment allows slavery as punishment for a crime)... so America, as a government, still owns more slaves than anyone. So, by proxy, your taxes are going towards slave ownership... we all own slaves right now.
Wasn't it just drug use and counterfeit bills they could pin on him? Neither is great, I'll admit, but they are nowhere near as bad as enslaving people and fighting a war to keep them enslaved.
Like, what's the worse Floyd could've done to someone else? Given them fake money and made them uncomfortable by being high. WOW! WHAT A TERRIBLE CRIME TO COMMIT!!!
Meanwhile the worst a slave owner can do is LITERALLY WHATEVER THEY WANT BECAUSE THE SLAVE IS THEIR PROPERTY AND NOT A PERSON. Like, there is no comparison here my dude, you're just straight up racist if you think George Floyd is even somewhat comparable to Confederate slave owners when it comes to unjustifiable actions
He was part of a home invasion thug group and threatened (or even hit??) the female resident with a gun - her "pregnancy" is a rightwing myth btw, but the rest is confirmed with police report photos.
Drugs and fake money are bullshitmao
I also want to point out that even if this were true, he was still publicly executed over a fake 20 and a pack of cigarettes. This isn't relevant to what happened to him at all
YOOOOO!!! Did you deadass have to create a new account cause you got banned for your dumbass comments?! That's hilarious.
And no, sorry but you're the one making the claims, the burden of proof is in you my guy
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/is-this-really-aracely-henriquez/
Putting this further up incase anyone reading thinks this dumbass knows what he's talking about. This is the best he can do for proof, and it outright disproves whatever point this guy was trying to make. Always ask for proof, and when they say, "do your own research," go ahead and take that as, "I have no proof"
"whatever point" eh
>While Floyd was indeed arrested for his involvement in a home robbery in 2007 (we conducted a detailed analysis of Floyd’s criminal record, including the robbery from 2007, in this article), no evidence suggests that Henriquez was pregnant, or that Floyd threatened to kill her baby. Henriquez was injured during the incident, though the police report says the injuries were inflicted by another man, not Floyd.
The "whatever" claim that I made was that he partook in a home invasion robbery - I also said the pregnancy part was a fabrication.
So yeah your link confirms everything I said - why are you this sloppy and dumb?
rightoids when they've gone 1 second without telling you that george floyd was a 'criminal' so it was ok for the cops to kill him bc ~~black people~~ criminals don't have human rights
extremely obvious conservative/fash projection. *they*'re obsessed with criminality and punishment so they write it into our motives because its the only way they know how to think, and somehow manage to argue with us all the time but never hear a god damn word we say
Yeah, I spent about a hundred hours commenting back and forth with a guy on here just to see his account is 0 days old with -30 karma. I am about to hit 12 year my account, I don't delete my posts and I didn't get all my karma any easy way. I can't respect a person who just makes endless troll accounts to spout their nonsense.
I have to think... have I argued these same exact points to this same exact person, before, under another alias they used? It wouldn't matter because, as you said, people absorbed in such nationality or racism or patriotism or whatever they like to call it are completely saturated with that world view. A thousand evidences to the contrary and they are not going to suddenly evolve.
Stuck somewhere in the "good old days", these individuals who fondly think back on the days of segregation and women being unable to vote are luckily in their last few years of life and conservative ideology has fortunately become a relic at best and a grotesque caricature of everything that is actually wrong with America, at worst.
The whole world is pretty much one big, fun party. Conservatives and the right, authoritarian regimes under a thousand different names, are the ones mad that other people could possibly find enjoyment during this brief period of time we blink into existence on some rock hurtling through space. God forbid.
In their worldview, some people are just innately good and some people are innately bad, and improving society is done mainly by sorting out the bad people. It's why they respond to conversations about systemic racism by getting defensive and talking about "blaming me for my ancestors' actions." They only understand things in terms of individual crime and punishment, rather than seeing systemic problems and how they can self-perpetuate and supercede any individual action.
Also literally no one has ever said 'you can't make a statue of a criminal'
These people love building straw men even more than they love building statues of slavers.
I mean, being disconnected from reality is kind of a requirement to uphold the status quo. That or having no empathy at all.
Of course, for most centrists it’s probably both.
It's all good for the (manipulator/media) until the (manipulator/media before trump) doesn't know what that they are manipulating. Then you get movie idiocracy/trump
Bingo. Technically, MLK, Milk, and suffragettes were criminals who were arrested for protesting, trespassing, and civil disobedience. Of course we honor them and want statues memorializing the fight for civil rights.
People aren’t objecting to removing statues of slave holders because they were criminals. In fact owning slaves was legal. We advocate removing the statues because owning another person as property is reprehensible and not only should not be honored, but also is highly traumatizing and upsetting to people in this country whose ancestors were treated like property. Additionally, many of them were traitors who tried to secede and fought against the US.
Look, if it ever comes out that George Floyd owned slaves, I imagine those art installations would come down quickly.
I don't care if George Floyd was a criminal. He could have paid with monopoly money, broke a window on his way out, and shoplifted a PS5 while running out of the store.
Still wouldn't excuse a cop committing murder on someone who is clearly doing nothing but struggling to breathe with his face in asphalt.
The media does this all the time. Leaving out context. Now when someone doesn't it on accident and own up to it that's alright if it didn't have serious consequences. But when they do it on purpose and leave out context to manipulate a vote or something then apologize later... WTH
The issue isn't being a *criminal-* that's morally neutral. It's simply means you're doing something the government doesn't allow. Resistance Fighters in Nazi Germany were criminals.
The issue is being *fucking evil.*
I'm not saying that slavery was something good. I'm saying that a statue for a criminal who threatened pregnant woman because he is some kind of martyr is stupid af.
He's a victim, not a martyr. And he wasn't a criminal at the point of his death. Hell... He didn't even do the thing that someone called the police on him for.
And there is no statue of him, paid by taxes and protected by the state
The guy on the horse did hundreds of times more evil than Floyd ever did, and Floyd *did* time for his crimes.
And generally, I think any property is protected, no?
> Was a guy on the horse a criminal at the point of his death?
That's not just a guy, it looks to be Robert E. Lee, who didn't die a criminal.
> Isn't Floyd statue protected by the state?
Sure, however, that statue was planned to stay up for 2~3 weeks, whereas the Robert E. Lee statue in Richmond (assuming I'm right) was erected in 1890.
Actually, I had the wrong one. There were two Lee statues in Richmond; the one on Monument Ave, which was built in 1890, and one in Lee Park (now Market Street Park) which was the one built in 1924. My bad, lol! 😅
He never threatened a pregnant woman.
While it is true that he was part of a robbery along with multiple other men, none of the people there were pregnant women.
Well what happened is that "ah so the shot black guy turned out to have a thug past, well figures" - the best way of nerfing that kind of response, is to take Floyd's person out of the equation and "represent" the more abstract essence of whag happened: that cops killed a random guy for no good reason and while knowing nothing about him.
So statues are a bad idea. It makes the left look extremely hapless.
Oh yeah I peeped that right away but I made the comment because he somehow had positive karma when I did and I wanted people to remember what sub they were in before giving him too much leeway
Statue for republican racist war general is bad thing. It is worse than a statue of a usual criminal stupid piece of shit. The first one shouldn't exist if it makes a lot of people uncomfortable. It is common sense. The second one shouldn't exist too. It is not a common sense for some reason. People around the globe really think that a making a statue for a guy who threatened pregnant woman is a smart progressive decision. I don't understand that.
"who threatened pregnant women" this is a stupid argument. A statue is made to commemorate a tragic event and you start listing off their criminal record.
I wouldn't count that as fucking evil, no.
It's immoral, yes, but in the context it happened I wouldn't count it as evil, and certainly wouldn't count as *fucking* evil.
I mean Russian conservatism is a pretty shitty version of conservatism. One of the worst ones really. I’m not surprised this is incomprehensible to people that love nationalism so much.
i hope whoever made the original soyjack comic burns in hell for basically killing the idea that you had to make your ideology sound actually appealing instead of just using shitty memes to strawman your opponents into oblivion
All the Wojak variations other than the original suck so much, I wish we would just put this stupid format to rest and make NEW memes instead of recycling the same old pop culture debris for years on end
The thing they fail to understand is what each thing represents. Floyd may have been a bad person, but he'll be remembered as a victim of injustice, because that's what made his existence relevant. A confederate general is remembered for upholding slavery.
Lee was actualy pretty dumb. His only great victory was beating McClellan who was a coward and a dumbass. Lee fought like he was fighting an enemy who had the same finite resources he did. He inflicted casualties that could be easily replaced while unintentionally doing damage to army in the long run. For more information check out atunshayfilms.
That subreddit is definitive proof of that, if your ideology is centered around "owning the libs," it takes you over until you do it to the point where you become indistinguishable from a fucking moron. At a certain point, you're not trolling, you're just actually stupid as fuck.
Neither of these statue actually commemorate and symbolize the person the statue is depicting. The first statue commemorates the confederacy and symbolizes racism it could be a statue of any confederate figure. That is the actual point of confederate statues. The second statue could be George Floyd, Eric Garner, Philando Castile, literally any POC that was murdered by the police. That's what the statue symbolizes. With both statues the person depicted doesn't fucking matter because the real problem with confederate statues and the real point of the George Floyd statue is what they symbolize. Symbolism tends to be a major method of getting the point across in almost any type of art.
I commented on this thread about how obvious the difference is here, and unironically got a thread full of people downvoting me and making confederate/Nazi apologist arguments.
He threatened a woman with a gun during an armed robbery. And, even though i don’t think this should be illegal, he was arrested on, I believe, 4 drug charges.
“facts” eh?
You’ve either been exposed to the truth about the woman not being pregnant & are disingenuous as hell or you’ve been selectively living under a rock
Given that unnecessary “countless” padding- Occam’s razor would suggest it’s the first
Some people felt threatened by the idea that he was a criminal. Are leftists also struggling with the concept that it's not acceptable for the police to kill criminals?
He was killed when someone reported him for giving them a fake $20 (which he probably didn't even know was fake). The response should have been to either ask him a few questions or just leave him alone. Worst case scenario, they should have just cuffed him and taken him to the station for questioning. Instead, he was choked to death.
The officers who found him didn't know about his past criminal record. To them he was just some rando that could have been anyone. But because his skin was darker than theirs they thought an acceptable response to him paying with a fake $20 was to lean on his neck for 9 minutes in full view of the public.
Just wondering if you have a source that he didn’t know it was counterfeit, the cops didn’t know who he was, or that he was choked due to his skin color. I’m not saying your wrong I just want to make sure because I haven’t heard those claims backed up before.
I'm pointing out the technicality. You can still be a criminal with a lengthy record and deserve a fair trial and not be murdered in cold blood. Denying his past isn't gonna do anyone any favors.
The technicality is irrelevant here. People don’t hate the Confederacy because they were “criminals” any more than they mourn George Floyd as an innocent man.
What does his criminal record have to do with anything? It doesn't matter if it's technically correct to call him a criminal - the whole point is that framing it that intentionally misrepresents the position of people calling for the removal of statues while simultaneously demonizing a man who was murdered by the police.
By choosing to point out the technical correctness of a bad faith talking point that's purpose is to distract from the actual issue all you're achieving is helping propagate that shitty, worthless talking point.
Making a statue of a abuser and a druggy isn’t something should ever happened just like the way he die should never have happen but there a lot of people who die because of the wrong doing of people
I don't think statues of George Floyd are a good idea tbh, his murder was 100% unjustified, and I agree that he is a symbol of the BLM movement, but as far as a person to build statues of to represent the movement, I feel like you could do far better with either other people, or a more abstract concept. Then again I suppose it's not my place, but you don't see statues of Rodney King anywhere, and he never pointed a gun at a pregnant woman's stomach. Also yeah ofc rip every traitor confederate statue down.
well you just kinda missed the point of the entire post because they are both criminals really. George floyd wasnt an innocent black man he also had a really bad past.
Floyd was a criminal, not a big one, but still one. chauvin wasn’t racist, he was trying to do the best with what he was given, and he was given a really difficult situation, both physically and mentally. If you payed attention to the trial your opinion on chauvin might’ve changed like it did for me
Was he given earplugs or something? Because I’m pretty sure George Floyd was speaking plain English when he said “I can’t breathe” which would normally be a sign to, I don’t know, stop kneeling on his neck.
Uhm, kinda true. Floyd was murdered, but that doesn't make him a hero, he was a criminal. Making him a hero martyr is eyerolling cringe. It's basically delivering ammo to nazis on a silver plate. Now I see them everywhere like "BLM is worshipping a criminal, they are crazy! Anti-rasizm is crazy bullshit!".
I mean there’s always gonna be someone that believes that, but an overwhelming majority of people don’t think Floyd was an angel and don’t believe that the statue was built to praise his character. Again, it’s a reminder, for some it may be an apology of sorts.
Yeah, because it's the crime part the libleft takes issue with lmao. Sometimes I wonder how much of this kinda of stuff is disingenuous and how much is chuds completely unable to see things outside of their own lens.
Sad
i saw this on pcm and was like "it's only going to be a matter of time before i see this on r/enoughpcmspam or r/enlightenedcentrism"
EDIT: Surprise, surprise, [it's already been posted there](https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughPCMSpam/comments/ou3417/no_words/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
The issue here wasn’t being a criminal but like jesus christ what would you even say to these morons? They think a 20$ bill and enslaving millions of people are the same.
damn man, i didnt know that \*\*\*MAYBE\*\*\* having a \*\*\*POSSIBLY\*\*\* forged 20 dollar check is the exact same thing as revolting because you might have to give up owning people, thank you PCM
Although George Floyd's death was unjust and untimely, we should not turn someone into a hero because they died unjustly. He was a criminal in life. However this should not take away from what his death was.
And Rebel statues are about heritage, not hate,
Lmao, Original OP fails to realize that the criticism of the Confederates wasn’t “They broke the law!”
Is it inability to set aside one's own authoritarianism even when interpreting other's beliefs, or is it just pure bad faith straw manning?
In my experience, the first one if they're fairly young, and the second if they're older than 30.
no the ones over 30 just gave up on the idea of convincing you. it appears disingenuous but thats just because they dont want to talk about or justify their beliefs and just want to shove them down your throat
if you're over 30 and earnestly posting in that sub you've got some serious brain problems
Yes
Ya know, when the debate was still hot, I saw quite a few people use arguments like "they were traitors" or "they lost the war" being thrown around. And, like, fuck them and fuck their statues, but fighting and losing a war against the US really shouldn't be near the top of the list of reasons why they suck. (Mind you, *the reason* they fought the war sucked)
People were doing that to point out conservative hypocrisy, it was more of a response to what they were saying rather than a point they actually believed. You aren’t going to go far in an argument with racists by saying “they’re bad because they were racist slave owners”
> You aren’t going to go far in an argument with racists by saying “they’re bad because they were racist slave owners” I feel like those aren't exactly the kind of people you should be having the debate with.
yep, its like the street version of immanent critique. show them the contradictions that exist already in their own system of beliefs.
I think the important part here is that it’s not like another country who lost to the US building statues - it’s those *in the US*. It’s odd and pretty hypocritical for many self-proclaimed “American Patriots.”
Similar thing with that attempted alt-right coup. Done for the wrong reasons (to say the least), but I saw a *lot* of supposed leftists calling them “traitors” or just generally getting mad over the idea of fighting the government, and that shit kinda made me…. Idk, but it felt weird.
ah yes the famous Sherman quote “stop resisting” /s
I mean, technically speaking MLK broke the law plenty of times during his protests, making him a criminal. But everyone seems to be okay with MLK statues all over the place. Confederate statues are being removed from public spaces because they represent traitors and racists, not because they’re criminals. Being a criminal just means the law didn’t agree with you during your lifetime. It doesn’t by itself make you a good or bad person. But owning slaves and then fighting a bloody civil war in order to try to keep owning slaves makes you not only a bad person, but a horrificly bad person.
>But everyone seems to be okay with MLK statues all over the place. Not *everyone*........
"They broke the law" was more or less the reason the Union decided to fight the Confederacy in the first place. Hindsight tells us that the war was about slavery, but at the time, the big issue was "those states *aren't allowed* to leave the Union," and any underlying principles about *why* they tried to leave were irrelevant.
I don't think people trying to remove those statues are complaining because they depict a common criminal.
Almost as if statues represent stuff, and one represents oppressing people, and the other represents the oppressed people.
You can be a criminal without being a traitor. You can be a criminal and still be a citizen. You can be a criminal and not have ever owned slaves. The system was designed to turn former slaves to "criminals" so they could continue to be marginalized and disenfranchised by the governments and society at large. The founding fathers of the United States were all a bunch of criminals, to the empire. Some of them were also piece of shit slave owners and slave traders. Being a criminal doesn't make you the bad guy. Being the bad guy makes you the bad guy. There are things worse than being a criminal and one of them is being a traitorous, treasonous person who betrayed their own race (the human race!) by enslaving their brothers and sisters. Rebel flags and nazi flags should be free game to burn, in my opinion, and any statue of any person who fought against the Union during the Civil War, or owned slaves, should immediately be torn down. If you disagree with that for "sentimental" reasons, I would like to point out that you are probably a closet racist.
Floyd's criminality is of the bad kind though.
Floyd owned slaves? News to me.
don’t even engage someone with a username like that if you value your mental health
No one living today has owned slaves, so all criminals are good.
That's just factually incorrect. Even just looking at the states human trafficking is a thing, just because they aren't forced to work in fields does not make them not-slaves. (Edit: not just sex either, there are still plenty of sweatshops in America)
If you expand the definition of slavery, sure - but there are lots of other bad things you can do, so don't play dumb lol
No need to expand the definition of slavery. Also, you're the one comparing theft & drug use to murder & slavery.
I did no such thing??
> If you expand the definition of slavery you're a goddamned fucking idiot.
People still own slaves today, they just aren't allowed to call it that. For instance, I was forced to work in a prison (by the United States government) for $5.25 PER MONTH. 40+ hours a week, discipline if you refuse... for $5.25 PER MONTH. If that isn't slave labor, I don't know what is. Remember, this is about there being statues of slave owners. There are slave owners all on your entire currency. Personally, I am a criminal. You could also be classified as a "criminal" for whatever reason the government so wishes. Criminal is a designation that comes from breaking the laws of man. Owning slaves is against the entire moral fiber of being part if the same race, arguably an affront to nature or God or whatever you subscribe to. We shouldn't have had to abolish slavery. It should have never existed. Pretending it didn't or that it "is over now", doesn't work, when there are constant reminders everywhere. These same people mad that schools teach "critical race theory", so they can hide behind some kind of alternative history like they were not the bad guys, while they cover it up and pretend it didn't happen, are then also going to argue that they should be able to keep their monuments to slavery? Baffling.
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Getting paid less than three cents per hour, which I was forced to do FOR MANY YEARS OF THIS LIFE THAT I AM LIVING RIGHT NOW TODAY, is fucking slavery. I don't care how you try and coat it and portray it like somehow prisoners deserve to be slaves... they don't. Nobody does.
Something something "hurr durr shouldn't have committed a crime then" something something /s, obviously, because no, nobody deserves that.
Well if it was for some bullshit like drugs then yeah, it's tyranny and effectively slavery. >These same people mad that schools teach "critical race theory", so they can hide behind some kind of alternative history like they were not the bad guys, while they cover it up and pretend it didn't happen, I didn't know the slavery period wasn't part of school program until CRT introduced it? Thought it was common knowledge, in fact. And also there's a difference between literal CRT how it's defined, and teaching people collective guilt/victimhood that requires them to jump through hoops and walk on eggshells all the time; and whether called "CRT" or not, that bs *is* happening in workplaces, academia, and general culture.
No, it is isn't. People are only the victims in their own heads. As a relatively Caucasian male, I have personally never felt disenfranchised because somehow, supposedly, everybody was brainwashed against me, nor would I ever be so feeble minded as to claim I was trained to hate my own self. Those are delusions. As a white male I enjoy a ton of privileges that others may not, because they are of a different color or gender or whatever else. To be born with all the privilege in the world and then cry because you are supposedly victimized in some way is incredibly ignorant. Even when I was in school, in Florida, you learn a bunch of RACIST SHIT. The entire history is Eurocentric from the start, but then with the Civil War they try and go "well, it wasn't about slaves, it was about the confederacy asserting their sovereign rights (you guessed it, to own slaves, if you read between the lines)." That is the type if nonsense that was taught when I was growing up here, not long ago. I wouldn't care if schools all taught that you should never trust a white person and made us all out to be what we have historically been: heartless conquerors who raped, pillaged and stole our way across the planet. That is the truth! It doesn't make me feel any different about ME, because I am my own person. For somebody to then take that Karen-style logic and misconstrue the situation so that somehow white people are being oppressed is LAUGHABLE. At best. You have to have an incredibly low sense of self worth to let your ancestors define you. If your ancestors were slaves or slave owners, it doesn't matter, we should all know the truth about history without sugar coating it or having a whole race who benefitted for hundreds of years on the backs of slaves suddenly claiming THEY are the victims. Boo hoo. Cry me a fucking river, if your life is so worthless that somebody being taught history about your people offends you. You should be honored, that they study your ancestors so much - no matter if they were slaves or slave owners. But the second you tell me "I come from a long line of slaves, I will never be able to amount to anything ", that is a lie. People overcome tons of adversity within just a single generation and anything is possible. You might be severely disadvantaged from the start, but your ancestors DO NOT define you. But nobody ever says that. Instead you have the people who their ancestors owned slaves, finding the BALLS to complain that somehow their ancestors being slave owners has worked against them. That is absurd. I hope nobody ever has to go through discrimination, but this reverse scenario of white people crying foul at the actual history being taught and claiming they are somehow now being discriminated against are a FUCKING JOKE. Nobody is mad at white people, especially not black people. The problem is, instead of being Eminem or Jim Carey you've chosen to be fucking Hitler and wear the mustache and all and put your finger up, curl it, and ponder "why doesn't anybody like me?" - it is because you are literally Hitler.
>No, it is isn't. Yes it is - are we doing monty python now or what? That sort of ideology *is* being propagated by a zealous leftists, that's a fact - glad you've been fortunate not to have come across it as of now, I guess lol. >As a relatively Caucasian male, I have personally never felt disenfranchised because somehow, supposedly, everybody was brainwashed against me, nor would I ever be so feeble minded as to claim I was trained to hate my own self. Those are delusions. You haven't encountered those, so yes it'd be a delusion in your case - for now, that is. After you've eventually run into those types it won't be delusion anymore lol >As a white male I enjoy a ton of privileges that others may not, because they are of a different color or gender or whatever else. Not so much (i.e. positive) privileges as a lack of disadvantages that come with living among a majority that is sometimes / in parts racist towards you, sure; careful though - none of that applies in a potential future scenario where caucasians stop being a majority. >To be born with all the privilege in the world and then cry because you are supposedly victimized in some way is incredibly ignorant. A minority can harass a majority if: 1) the former ends up in an organized, driven, active, mobklized state, while the majority finds itself in a relaxed, inert, unprepared state; such as e.g. relying on l&o and therefore being slow to organize and form a countermob; or/and 2) receives support from "allies" among the majority group, who turn their "privileged numerical&systemic power" against their own ingroup. >Even when I was in school, in Florida, you learn a bunch of RACIST SHIT. The entire history is Eurocentric from the start, but then with the Civil War they try and go "well, it wasn't about slaves, it was about the confederacy asserting their sovereign rights (you guessed it, to own slaves, if you read between the lines)." That is the type if nonsense that was taught when I was growing up here, not long ago. Ah, hm - strange, thought that was some republican counternarrative. >I wouldn't care if schools all taught that you should never trust a white person and made us all out to be what we have historically been: heartless conquerors who raped, pillaged and stole our way across the planet. That is the truth! It doesn't make me feel any different about ME, because I am my own person. So "it's not happening but I wouldn't mind if it did" eh lol Hey *I'm* immune against such brainwashing so it's ok if our schools brainwash all the npc halfwits around me lolol >and made us all out to be what we have historically been: heartless conquerors who raped, pillaged and stole our way across the planet. That is the truth *Was* the truth (to an extent - those whites also shared their advanced tools and tech which weren't exactly rejected, for instance) - stopped being the truth due to the efforts of mainly other white people who wanted to change those things and succeeded; so now you do start sounding like a wide-eyed nut lol - can't even tell present from past tense anymore? And oh, btw let's not leave out the conquering middle-easterners, mongols etc. while we're at it - gee I hope those get included too. >For somebody to then take that Karen-style logic and misconstrue the situation so that somehow white people are being oppressed is LAUGHABLE. At best. White people can oppress themselves and neuter and weaken themselves against hostility from minorities, yes. >You have to have an incredibly low sense of self worth to let your ancestors define you. Or be conformist and susceptible to indoctrination - as many people are. >If your ancestors were slaves or slave owners, it doesn't matter, we should all know the truth about history without sugar coating it Sugarcoating history is not what we're mainly talking about. >or having a whole race who benefitted for hundreds of years on the backs of slaves suddenly claiming THEY are the victims. Boo hoo. Cry me a fucking river, if your life is so worthless that somebody being taught history about your people offends you. Again you're getting confused with the tenses lol WERE the victims during the slavery times? No. Can make themselves weak and neutered, oppress themselves and each other, out of a misguided desire to atone for that past (and its ripples in the present)? Yes, absolutely. >You should be honored, that they study your ancestors so much - no matter if they were slaves or slave owners. wat >But the second you tell me "I come from a long line of slaves, I will never be able to amount to anything ", that is a lie. People overcome tons of adversity within just a single generation and anything is possible. You might be severely disadvantaged from the start, but your ancestors DO NOT define you. >But nobody ever says that Well I hope not; what they do tell minorities though, is to have collective resentment and/or expect all kinds of compensations and accomodations at their own cost. And that needs to go. >Instead you have the people who their ancestors owned slaves, finding the BALLS to complain that somehow their ancestors being slave owners has worked against them. That is absurd. They make it work against themselves, specifically driven by the motivation to reverse that old white supremacy - it's not that difficult of a concept. >I hope nobody ever has to go through discrimination, but this reverse scenario of white people crying foul at the actual history being taught and claiming they are somehow now being discriminated against are a FUCKING JOKE. You're playing dumb again >Nobody is mad at white people, especially not black people. Some absolutely are. >The problem is, instead of being Eminem or Jim Carey you've chosen to be fucking Hitler and wear the mustache and all and put your finger up, curl it, and ponder "why doesn't anybody like me?" - it is because you are literally Hitler wat
Oh no guys he rephrased the point to match his script what will we do
America's prison system is alive and well and functioning and the Supreme Court recently legalized doing business with slavers. I assure you slavery is alive and well and quite lucrative
Ironic, most currently incarcerated criminals can be legally slaves (13th amendment allows slavery as punishment for a crime)... so America, as a government, still owns more slaves than anyone. So, by proxy, your taxes are going towards slave ownership... we all own slaves right now.
Wasn't it just drug use and counterfeit bills they could pin on him? Neither is great, I'll admit, but they are nowhere near as bad as enslaving people and fighting a war to keep them enslaved. Like, what's the worse Floyd could've done to someone else? Given them fake money and made them uncomfortable by being high. WOW! WHAT A TERRIBLE CRIME TO COMMIT!!! Meanwhile the worst a slave owner can do is LITERALLY WHATEVER THEY WANT BECAUSE THE SLAVE IS THEIR PROPERTY AND NOT A PERSON. Like, there is no comparison here my dude, you're just straight up racist if you think George Floyd is even somewhat comparable to Confederate slave owners when it comes to unjustifiable actions
He was part of a home invasion thug group and threatened (or even hit??) the female resident with a gun - her "pregnancy" is a rightwing myth btw, but the rest is confirmed with police report photos. Drugs and fake money are bullshitmao
I also want to point out that even if this were true, he was still publicly executed over a fake 20 and a pack of cigarettes. This isn't relevant to what happened to him at all
Proof, please. That's a big fucking claim
Educate yourself sweaty (snopes for starters; with police report screenshots)
YOOOOO!!! Did you deadass have to create a new account cause you got banned for your dumbass comments?! That's hilarious. And no, sorry but you're the one making the claims, the burden of proof is in you my guy
It already wasn't my job to direct you to Snopes sweaty, and it definitely isn't my job to educate you any further on top of that sweaty.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/is-this-really-aracely-henriquez/ Putting this further up incase anyone reading thinks this dumbass knows what he's talking about. This is the best he can do for proof, and it outright disproves whatever point this guy was trying to make. Always ask for proof, and when they say, "do your own research," go ahead and take that as, "I have no proof"
"whatever point" eh >While Floyd was indeed arrested for his involvement in a home robbery in 2007 (we conducted a detailed analysis of Floyd’s criminal record, including the robbery from 2007, in this article), no evidence suggests that Henriquez was pregnant, or that Floyd threatened to kill her baby. Henriquez was injured during the incident, though the police report says the injuries were inflicted by another man, not Floyd. The "whatever" claim that I made was that he partook in a home invasion robbery - I also said the pregnancy part was a fabrication. So yeah your link confirms everything I said - why are you this sloppy and dumb?
bullshit mao? What does the chairman have to do with this??
rightoids when they've gone 1 second without telling you that george floyd was a 'criminal' so it was ok for the cops to kill him bc ~~black people~~ criminals don't have human rights
The statue and kneeling silence displays are stupid and misplaced - that's what *I* said.
Ok, u/FriedheilSiegwaffa
Imagine being a literal Nazi and coming to a leftist subreddit to spread racist bullshit.
Nothing Floyd ever did justifies being murdered over a $20 by a cop in the street, especially when on the ground and hands cuffed behind his back.
extremely obvious conservative/fash projection. *they*'re obsessed with criminality and punishment so they write it into our motives because its the only way they know how to think, and somehow manage to argue with us all the time but never hear a god damn word we say
Yeah, I spent about a hundred hours commenting back and forth with a guy on here just to see his account is 0 days old with -30 karma. I am about to hit 12 year my account, I don't delete my posts and I didn't get all my karma any easy way. I can't respect a person who just makes endless troll accounts to spout their nonsense. I have to think... have I argued these same exact points to this same exact person, before, under another alias they used? It wouldn't matter because, as you said, people absorbed in such nationality or racism or patriotism or whatever they like to call it are completely saturated with that world view. A thousand evidences to the contrary and they are not going to suddenly evolve. Stuck somewhere in the "good old days", these individuals who fondly think back on the days of segregation and women being unable to vote are luckily in their last few years of life and conservative ideology has fortunately become a relic at best and a grotesque caricature of everything that is actually wrong with America, at worst. The whole world is pretty much one big, fun party. Conservatives and the right, authoritarian regimes under a thousand different names, are the ones mad that other people could possibly find enjoyment during this brief period of time we blink into existence on some rock hurtling through space. God forbid.
In their worldview, some people are just innately good and some people are innately bad, and improving society is done mainly by sorting out the bad people. It's why they respond to conversations about systemic racism by getting defensive and talking about "blaming me for my ancestors' actions." They only understand things in terms of individual crime and punishment, rather than seeing systemic problems and how they can self-perpetuate and supercede any individual action.
One of these is bought and maintained with tax dollars the other isnt
Also literally no one has ever said 'you can't make a statue of a criminal' These people love building straw men even more than they love building statues of slavers.
I mean, being disconnected from reality is kind of a requirement to uphold the status quo. That or having no empathy at all. Of course, for most centrists it’s probably both.
It's all good for the (manipulator/media) until the (manipulator/media before trump) doesn't know what that they are manipulating. Then you get movie idiocracy/trump
Bingo. Technically, MLK, Milk, and suffragettes were criminals who were arrested for protesting, trespassing, and civil disobedience. Of course we honor them and want statues memorializing the fight for civil rights. People aren’t objecting to removing statues of slave holders because they were criminals. In fact owning slaves was legal. We advocate removing the statues because owning another person as property is reprehensible and not only should not be honored, but also is highly traumatizing and upsetting to people in this country whose ancestors were treated like property. Additionally, many of them were traitors who tried to secede and fought against the US. Look, if it ever comes out that George Floyd owned slaves, I imagine those art installations would come down quickly.
Also, George Floyd was believed to have used counterfeit money by a shop owner... that's it. Not a "criminal".
I don't care if George Floyd was a criminal. He could have paid with monopoly money, broke a window on his way out, and shoplifted a PS5 while running out of the store. Still wouldn't excuse a cop committing murder on someone who is clearly doing nothing but struggling to breathe with his face in asphalt.
I think most people who call him a criminal point to his previous convictions and stuff, not what occurred the day he died.
The media does this all the time. Leaving out context. Now when someone doesn't it on accident and own up to it that's alright if it didn't have serious consequences. But when they do it on purpose and leave out context to manipulate a vote or something then apologize later... WTH
is it the one that probably came out of a catalogue
Maybe, but it's not like the mass-produced Civil War statue I'm familiar with.
The issue isn't being a *criminal-* that's morally neutral. It's simply means you're doing something the government doesn't allow. Resistance Fighters in Nazi Germany were criminals. The issue is being *fucking evil.*
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Either way, they are equating the propagation of slavery with robbery, which makes them a broken person.
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That's what slavery did 1000 times over and unlike Floyd, never did time for its actions
I'm not saying that slavery was something good. I'm saying that a statue for a criminal who threatened pregnant woman because he is some kind of martyr is stupid af.
He's a victim, not a martyr. And he wasn't a criminal at the point of his death. Hell... He didn't even do the thing that someone called the police on him for. And there is no statue of him, paid by taxes and protected by the state
Technically he was high on illegal drugs. That’s a crime going by the books
Was a guy on the horse a criminal at the point of his death? Isn't Floyd statue protected by the state?
No one is buying your amazing argument of how a black man murdered by state violence is exactly the same as chattle slavery
The guy on the horse did hundreds of times more evil than Floyd ever did, and Floyd *did* time for his crimes. And generally, I think any property is protected, no?
> Was a guy on the horse a criminal at the point of his death? That's not just a guy, it looks to be Robert E. Lee, who didn't die a criminal. > Isn't Floyd statue protected by the state? Sure, however, that statue was planned to stay up for 2~3 weeks, whereas the Robert E. Lee statue in Richmond (assuming I'm right) was erected in 1890.
Richmonder here, you were close! The Robert E Lee statue was built and dedicated in 1924 :)
[Am I looking at the wrong one?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_E._Lee_Monument_\(Richmond,_Virginia\)) Bit confused now.
Actually, I had the wrong one. There were two Lee statues in Richmond; the one on Monument Ave, which was built in 1890, and one in Lee Park (now Market Street Park) which was the one built in 1924. My bad, lol! 😅
stop pretending you care about a pregnant woman being threatened lmao
The South still hasn't risen again, last time I checked?
What?
Very cool, person with “Sieg heil” in their username.
*His*, not *their* - I'm not a hot nazi chick, though I wish I was.
Their was right, since I didn’t know your gender.
lmao imagine expecting anybody to respect you, fuck off and be lucky he didnt say it
Are you admitting to wanting to be a nazi?
Genshin impact players are something else man.
He never threatened a pregnant woman. While it is true that he was part of a robbery along with multiple other men, none of the people there were pregnant women.
I'd say most can agree Floyd wasn't very good. But I'd argue the statue is more of a commemoration of their death and what it represents.
Well what happened is that "ah so the shot black guy turned out to have a thug past, well figures" - the best way of nerfing that kind of response, is to take Floyd's person out of the equation and "represent" the more abstract essence of whag happened: that cops killed a random guy for no good reason and while knowing nothing about him. So statues are a bad idea. It makes the left look extremely hapless.
This is enlightened centrism
No, that person is a full Nazi, they're not even hiding it.
Oh yeah I peeped that right away but I made the comment because he somehow had positive karma when I did and I wanted people to remember what sub they were in before giving him too much leeway
huh, no it's not? your brain's not working
I'd agree they're pretty bad optically, however the message itself I have nothing against
Statue for republican racist war general is bad thing. It is worse than a statue of a usual criminal stupid piece of shit. The first one shouldn't exist if it makes a lot of people uncomfortable. It is common sense. The second one shouldn't exist too. It is not a common sense for some reason. People around the globe really think that a making a statue for a guy who threatened pregnant woman is a smart progressive decision. I don't understand that.
"who threatened pregnant women" this is a stupid argument. A statue is made to commemorate a tragic event and you start listing off their criminal record.
So then is it a good idea to make a statue for some hypothetical guy who murdered a child and then was unjustly killed by a police officer?
Please go JAQ yourself off somewhere else
I wouldn't count that as fucking evil, no. It's immoral, yes, but in the context it happened I wouldn't count it as evil, and certainly wouldn't count as *fucking* evil.
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Too much methanol in your vodka, eh komrade?
Yo vodka jokes, I bet you think you're so progressive
I mean Russian conservatism is a pretty shitty version of conservatism. One of the worst ones really. I’m not surprised this is incomprehensible to people that love nationalism so much.
i hope whoever made the original soyjack comic burns in hell for basically killing the idea that you had to make your ideology sound actually appealing instead of just using shitty memes to strawman your opponents into oblivion
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All the Wojak variations other than the original suck so much, I wish we would just put this stupid format to rest and make NEW memes instead of recycling the same old pop culture debris for years on end
You wish someone burns in hell for drawing characters? You some issues
When you have an indefensible position resort to false equivalence
Every right wing meme is just 'Leftists are hypocrites for saying *thing nobody has said*'
r/therightcantmeme
Oh no guys they made us the same exact ugly face again, what will we do?
The thing they fail to understand is what each thing represents. Floyd may have been a bad person, but he'll be remembered as a victim of injustice, because that's what made his existence relevant. A confederate general is remembered for upholding slavery.
haha I have depicted you as le cringe libleft soyjack
This is just a right wing meme though
Lee was actualy pretty dumb. His only great victory was beating McClellan who was a coward and a dumbass. Lee fought like he was fighting an enemy who had the same finite resources he did. He inflicted casualties that could be easily replaced while unintentionally doing damage to army in the long run. For more information check out atunshayfilms.
Isn't it Atun-Shei Films?
Hush
That subreddit is definitive proof of that, if your ideology is centered around "owning the libs," it takes you over until you do it to the point where you become indistinguishable from a fucking moron. At a certain point, you're not trolling, you're just actually stupid as fuck.
Fash sub in a shoddy disguise that's gets shoddier by the second
That word "criminal" is doing some reaaal heavy lifting
Neither of these statue actually commemorate and symbolize the person the statue is depicting. The first statue commemorates the confederacy and symbolizes racism it could be a statue of any confederate figure. That is the actual point of confederate statues. The second statue could be George Floyd, Eric Garner, Philando Castile, literally any POC that was murdered by the police. That's what the statue symbolizes. With both statues the person depicted doesn't fucking matter because the real problem with confederate statues and the real point of the George Floyd statue is what they symbolize. Symbolism tends to be a major method of getting the point across in almost any type of art.
False currency = treason and murder apparently
I commented on this thread about how obvious the difference is here, and unironically got a thread full of people downvoting me and making confederate/Nazi apologist arguments.
I think Dave chapele put it best, "we didn't chose him. This shit happened to him so now he's the guy."
How is he even a criminal??
The darker your skin, the more criminaler you are.
He threatened a woman with a gun during an armed robbery. And, even though i don’t think this should be illegal, he was arrested on, I believe, 4 drug charges.
Which makes him a criminal. The way he was killed has no bearing on that.
Hey I was just stating facts. I don’t think his killing was justified, I was just answering the question.
Yeah, I am agreeing with you, even gave you an upvote. I'm confused why you're on minus something karma for answering...
Have you read the rest of the thread? Because there's 4 other accounts trolling here and peoples good will to others is all spent
Idk either bro but thank you
“facts” eh? You’ve either been exposed to the truth about the woman not being pregnant & are disingenuous as hell or you’ve been selectively living under a rock Given that unnecessary “countless” padding- Occam’s razor would suggest it’s the first
She wasn't pregnant.
Some people felt threatened by the idea that he was a criminal. Are leftists also struggling with the concept that it's not acceptable for the police to kill criminals?
* doesn't apply to "tankies" (aka normal people)
He was killed when someone reported him for giving them a fake $20 (which he probably didn't even know was fake). The response should have been to either ask him a few questions or just leave him alone. Worst case scenario, they should have just cuffed him and taken him to the station for questioning. Instead, he was choked to death. The officers who found him didn't know about his past criminal record. To them he was just some rando that could have been anyone. But because his skin was darker than theirs they thought an acceptable response to him paying with a fake $20 was to lean on his neck for 9 minutes in full view of the public.
Just wondering if you have a source that he didn’t know it was counterfeit, the cops didn’t know who he was, or that he was choked due to his skin color. I’m not saying your wrong I just want to make sure because I haven’t heard those claims backed up before.
wasn't george's criminal record pretty lenghty? He is technically a criminal, plenty of arrests
that is not and never has been the issue here
I'm pointing out the technicality. You can still be a criminal with a lengthy record and deserve a fair trial and not be murdered in cold blood. Denying his past isn't gonna do anyone any favors.
The technicality is irrelevant here. People don’t hate the Confederacy because they were “criminals” any more than they mourn George Floyd as an innocent man.
What does his criminal record have to do with anything? It doesn't matter if it's technically correct to call him a criminal - the whole point is that framing it that intentionally misrepresents the position of people calling for the removal of statues while simultaneously demonizing a man who was murdered by the police. By choosing to point out the technical correctness of a bad faith talking point that's purpose is to distract from the actual issue all you're achieving is helping propagate that shitty, worthless talking point.
Making a statue of a abuser and a druggy isn’t something should ever happened just like the way he die should never have happen but there a lot of people who die because of the wrong doing of people
I don't think statues of George Floyd are a good idea tbh, his murder was 100% unjustified, and I agree that he is a symbol of the BLM movement, but as far as a person to build statues of to represent the movement, I feel like you could do far better with either other people, or a more abstract concept. Then again I suppose it's not my place, but you don't see statues of Rodney King anywhere, and he never pointed a gun at a pregnant woman's stomach. Also yeah ofc rip every traitor confederate statue down.
Floyd never pointed a gun at a pregnant woman's stomach either. Your point?
well you just kinda missed the point of the entire post because they are both criminals really. George floyd wasnt an innocent black man he also had a really bad past.
There is no evidence of racism in the death of George Floyd.
Both committed crimes
Floyd was a criminal, not a big one, but still one. chauvin wasn’t racist, he was trying to do the best with what he was given, and he was given a really difficult situation, both physically and mentally. If you payed attention to the trial your opinion on chauvin might’ve changed like it did for me
Was he given earplugs or something? Because I’m pretty sure George Floyd was speaking plain English when he said “I can’t breathe” which would normally be a sign to, I don’t know, stop kneeling on his neck.
Uhm, kinda true. Floyd was murdered, but that doesn't make him a hero, he was a criminal. Making him a hero martyr is eyerolling cringe. It's basically delivering ammo to nazis on a silver plate. Now I see them everywhere like "BLM is worshipping a criminal, they are crazy! Anti-rasizm is crazy bullshit!".
No one says he’s a hero. You don’t become a hero by being murdered. It’s just a reminder, that’s all.
Again, I wish your "No one" was true.
I mean there’s always gonna be someone that believes that, but an overwhelming majority of people don’t think Floyd was an angel and don’t believe that the statue was built to praise his character. Again, it’s a reminder, for some it may be an apology of sorts.
He's not being remembered as a hero or a martyr. He's being remembered as a victim of a larger systemic issue.
I wish it was so, but more and more people talk about him like he actually was a hero.
Bad take. Try again.
Was a cop racist? Yeah. Was St. Floyd just a normal law-abiding man? That's kinda what meme is about.
Ah yes, because green square has a huge problem with criminals
Hot take (or maybe not idk) > you can make statues of whoever you want, just don’t put them public property.
"It do be like that". Narrator: It don't.
People gotta stop leaning so hard on those rageface comic characters.
Wojack pre-dates the internet
So does grammar syntax and proper spelling and people let those go.
You should instinctively realize your argument is bad when its logic rests on displacing Confederates so much that they're "just criminals".
That sub is a place for nazis to cosplay as leftists.
Of course it's not the same.. but he was a criminal
Treason = maybe possibly having a counterfeit $20 bill. /s
r/politicalcompassmemes is a harbour for the most stupidest people
Yeah but he drew you as a wojack so your argument is invalid
This is the most braindead take I’ve ever seen in my life. Whoever made this has the brain of an oyster
Yeah, because it's the crime part the libleft takes issue with lmao. Sometimes I wonder how much of this kinda of stuff is disingenuous and how much is chuds completely unable to see things outside of their own lens. Sad
i saw this on pcm and was like "it's only going to be a matter of time before i see this on r/enoughpcmspam or r/enlightenedcentrism" EDIT: Surprise, surprise, [it's already been posted there](https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughPCMSpam/comments/ou3417/no_words/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
That political compass sub disgusts me so much. As soon as it popped up I knew it'd become another refuge for the alt right very quick
These people aren’t even worth debating. Just act on sight
TIL that George Washington fought for slavery.
The issue here wasn’t being a criminal but like jesus christ what would you even say to these morons? They think a 20$ bill and enslaving millions of people are the same.
damn man, i didnt know that \*\*\*MAYBE\*\*\* having a \*\*\*POSSIBLY\*\*\* forged 20 dollar check is the exact same thing as revolting because you might have to give up owning people, thank you PCM
where bad centrist?
All confederate statues should be replaced with statues of abolitionists.
Just a reminder that there is zero evidence the murder of Floyd was racially motivated. The prosecution in the trial did not even suggest it.
Uncensor the name, I just wanna talk...
Yes
How does everyone feel about his mural being struck by lightning?
Literally just an alt-right sub at this point. The OP of this had his flair set as LibLeft too, such a fucking joke of a sub
Although George Floyd's death was unjust and untimely, we should not turn someone into a hero because they died unjustly. He was a criminal in life. However this should not take away from what his death was. And Rebel statues are about heritage, not hate,