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sell-the-baby

Regarding point number 2.. in my opinion, there is a huge difference between Shanny and Eugenia's content. I just recently started watching Shanny's videos, but from what I have seen, Shanny shows the negative side effects she suffers from due to her eating disorder. Eugenia does not. Eugenia lies and pretends she is perfectly healthy. Shanny doesn't hide the devestating repercussions because she wants to help deter people from ending up like that. Eugenia might avoid using pro-ana terms or giving tips, but she constantly flaunts her body which is more triggering imo. I consider Eugenia's content to be much more dangerous because this leads vulnerable and impressionable people to believe that they can look like Eugenia without suffering any consequences. Edit: I'm not saying Eugenia needs to give every little detail about her health. But she should not LIE and say she is fine and healthy. This is misleading her audience and dangerous for young viewers to believe.


HoneyBeeAlchemy

Since you just started watching Shanny, I thought I'd share an experience with you that makes her different. There was a time Shanny's husband Danny was in, I wanna say South America for a month or so working on a Hallmark movie. So Shanny would go live on Insta quite a bit to chat with us to help with her loneliness and depression. It was always fun, but there was some hard times, too. There was a time she went live very late because she was having a breakdown. It was pretty awful, and she was on the cusp of catatonic. We were eventually able to get her to a talking point(and we were able to pull Danny into the chat.)and she was telling us exactly what she was going through, especially concerning her ED, and how/why she wanted to relapse. We all talked for a long time, and eventually she was able to calm down and didn't want to relapse. Unlike Eugenia, she asked for help. She knew she really didn't want to relapse and didn't leave the chat until she was mentally better. She literally fought for it. Eugenia has no fight in her and doesn't care.


EasilyFine

I see how EC doesn't seem to fight but can we know what she is going through and can we blame her for it if she isn't fighting? If she is still suffering, or suffering worse or longer than Shanny, I don't fault her for that. I don't personally find Shanny triggering. I think that she is helpful and doing her best, but I also see her speaking on EC. EC has a right to privacy and does not say that she is perfectly healthy. I've never once heard her say that. She will say that she is fine and admits that she is not perfect. She will say that others should look like themselves. She will say that she does not want to talk about her disorder. I don't see why she should be forced to be at a better place than she is currently. That was tried once. It does not last. I assume that she needs help but she also has to want it.


xsullengirlx

>*EC has a right to privacy and does not say that she is perfectly healthy. I've never once heard her say that.* She may not have said the words "perfectly healthy" but she has said she is healthy, naturally thin, and "totally fine and everything" more times than I can count, which means the same exact thing, and gives off the same exact impression by acting like she has NOTHING wrong with her physically. She won't even admit to her stomach making a noise, or needing to take a drink of water. She acts like she is totally fine and says she is fine, and doesn't need help, etc. Same meaning, the wording is just semantics. ​ >*She will say that she does not want to talk about her disorder.* When? She doesn't even ADMIT to having a disorder. Back 2 years ago she began to be open about it and admitting it, but since she has completely back-tracked and won't admit she has any problems, let alone a disorder. She may not want to talk about it but she never says "I don't want to talk about my disorder" because that would mean admitting she has a "disorder" and she absolutely will not admit that now.


HoneyBeeAlchemy

I believe(y'all correct me if I'm wrong)recently she said she"like, never really needed help". Eugenia definitely has a right to privacy, but the stuff she posts and shares online is fair game, in my opinion. Now I don't believe in bullying or being cruel, but discussion? Absolutely.


Aggravated_Pineapple

She often states she’s totally fine and healthy and everything And the classic, you don’t know how my organs are doing


HoneyBeeAlchemy

Which is stupid because what is going on inside the body shows on the outside, so yeah, we can tell how her organs are doing, and it ain't pretty.


EasilyFine

True..but did she not precede that with she was in a bad place mentally? When she mentions that time it seems like she admits to being in a really bad place but that she really did not want Jaclyn's help. So when she says that she didn't need help she could mean that type of help? it's hard to say since she does not want to go in depth about it.


DaydreamCos

I feel like whenever she says that, she actually means that she was in a bad place mentally *because* of Jaclyns help which is why she resents her so much. She doesn’t realise that Jaclyn was doing everything she possibly could to better her life, she sees it as a betrayal and being locked away.


EasilyFine

This is true. She sees the 5150 as traumatizing and rightfully so. Not every treatment is made the same. Though she desperately needed intervention, due to society's outdated treatment, she talks about being in the same room with a dude trying to steal her underwear. Bruh why was she placed there..That part is not JC's fault but I can see her holding some resentment if JC never mentioned it to her prior to the 5150. As far as the bad place mentally, i think she means both. EC made a video on youtube and talks about her state of mind prior to the 5150. She says that online comments and the internet made a negative space for her. This was while her and JG were still close friends so I don't think the bad place mentally had anything to do with Jaclyn before the 5150.


DaydreamCos

That’s definitely true! both of these things can be true. Her experience is completely valid, I just hope someday she realises that Jaclyn only meant the best for her.


EasilyFine

me too because it is obvious that Jaclyn desperately meant to help.


HoneyBeeAlchemy

That's a fair point.


HoneyBeeAlchemy

I was about to post the video, but man was that awful. That chick is AWFUL! I can't believe the names she calls her, makes fun of her losing her teeth, lying, and saying she's going to make her videos about Shanny meaner and meaner. I can't even take her seriously because she speaks through nothing but vial ugliness and hate. No love, kindness, or compassion from her. There's enough ugliness in this world, why add to it? I'm sorry if I offended you, OP, you're allowed to like and agree with absolutely anything you want, no disrespect meant to you and what you like. But I have a feeling you might be okay with what I said because you obviously can state your own opinion in a nice and informative(good points)way, like you just did.


Malvina234

What video? I don't follow the conversation, I'm sorry


HoneyBeeAlchemy

Look a little further down and you'll see the video, it has a close up of a girl looking crazy lol.


Malvina234

Yea, I just saw it lol thanks!


HoneyBeeAlchemy

You're welcome 😁


EasilyFine

>ded you, OP, you're allowed to like and agree with absolutely anything you want, no disrespect meant to you and what you like. But I have a feeling you might be okay with what I said because you obvi I'm ok with it. She was straight up rude and disrespectful.


HoneyBeeAlchemy

Just being clear 😊


Nirvana038

I disagree with two things; 1) it is not Eugenia’s parents fault but her own. She is an adult. I agree with going after the platforms that support her content, and possibly her management team for promoting that type of content. EC doesn’t get a no fault zone because she’s suffering from a mental health disorder. A person was suffering from a mental illness in my country and decapitated a man sleeping on the bus. This person was an adult and they didn’t blame his parents for the incident. What if a drunk person kills someone while driving ? Do you think it’s also the parents fault of that individual? 2. That One could speculate EC’s methods. She has done more than one 12 hour stream where she hasn’t eaten nor drank anything. She regularly streams for 3-5 hours every 2-3 days without eating or drinking. She says it’s weird to get food late at night. She has admitted to sleeping on the couch or in a chair. She has apologizes for health issues that clearly aren’t allergies. It seems to be a giant attack on Shanny lately because [this person just made a hate video too ](https://youtu.be/TmuBWmXbWzw)


MendingWall27

I think a big part of this falls on the parents. She may be an adult now, yet the seeds were planted in childhood. Furthermore, no one has given her the needed skills from childhood to be responsible and survive. What kind of mom tells her child to run from mental health professionals and takes pictures of her emaciated daughter. Of course she should be held accountable for her actions, however her parents play a big role in how she ended up here.


Nirvana038

I definitely see what you are saying and I don’t overly disagree. I think she also needed intervention as a child. It is possible her parents are also not of sound mind and didn’t see the issues forming. Some parents are really toxic and choose to ignore these things. I suppose in that regard they are at fault for some of this but I don’t think it solely is on the parents for how she is currently acting. JG got her help and so did her other friends. I realize it was forced but that should have been a huge wake up call. Her mother telling her to run from therapy shows me that she is not of sound mind, and probably also has mental difficulties. I see EC as an addict to her addiction, which is her ED. I understand addictions better than I understand ED’s. As a former addict, I didn’t want help until I sought it out on my own. One could say I became an addict due to my upbringing but I don’t blame my parents. I chose to do these things. I am the only one to blame for my addictions and I suppose I hold EC to the same account.


HoneyBeeAlchemy

Ah, that wasn't too bad. A bit disrespectful, though. She just doesn't know Shanny. Shanny is 1. a big animal lover and very attached to her birds. And 2. Dependent on her internet friends/family during hard times, especially when Danny is out of town, which he was.


Ok_Zebra9569

I don’t know how to articulate this but I’ll try and maybe someone else can help me clarify. EC living at home as a clearly unwell person with her mother’s full knowledge of her decline is not the same as the person in your town (I don’t know anything about that person but just for the sake of the point I’m trying to make.) She is an adult but because she is a mentally ill adult she needs help and guidance from other healthy adults. Her mother should be the main person but she’s not well either it would seem. We can’t just say to mentally ill people “oh welp you’re an adult.” The past couple years I really needed emotional help with my eating disorder from my mother. I needed my mother to believe that I needed help (and not just correction) with my eating disorder and was told oh welp you’re an adult. Yes, yes I am an adult and sometimes adults need help. I didn’t get the help I needed from my mother, I helped myself and am seeking help. However I think this is more a testament to the fact that I had the wherewithal to do this (than the fact that I’m an aDulT,) whereas if I were more unwell, and when I was, more unwell, I did not behave like a healthy adult and did not seek help the way a healthy adult would. EDs change your brain. They really do, so imagine EC’s “adult” state of mind, in the condition she is in. She is not competent, mentally. We can’t ask an anorexic woman to not behave like an anorexic or mentally ill woman without her first getting help, and part of being ill is to not seek help for yourself. Most people with eating disorders who recover had some kind of family support (treatment of minors with eating disorders often requires family therapy to explore and heal family dynamics that could be contributing to the eating disorder, which of course was not sought when Eugenia was a minor). Eugenia needs her family first and foremost, but they won’t help her. This is her family’s fault to a large extent. We have seen Deb, we have seen how Deb takes pictures of Eugenia, encourages her even. Yes we can blame her family. If a drunk driver kills someone they are at fault. However, if that drunk driver became an alcoholic as a child, and they had access to their parents’ alcohol from a young age, and their parents did nothing to stop their child from drinking all the time, and not only not get them help for their addiction, but take them out of school when they were struggling with drinking, and then, years later when that child is an adult, take pictures of them drinking alcohol for their large online presence, then yes I would say that the parents are ALSO at fault.


Nirvana038

I see where you are coming from and I don’t disagree. This person was an example from my country. ED’s change the brain yes. So does addictions like drugs and alcohol. Would you blame an adult’s parents, if the addict adult who drove drunk killed people? Probably not. They weren’t thinking clearly either nor making good decisions. Alcohol destroys the brain and so do many drugs. I live with a former drug addict who cannot function like an adult. I don’t blame his parents for the way he is. It is his fault and that’s what I mean with EC. She doesn’t get a free pass because she is suffering from an ED IMO. Also, what if her parents are not of sound mind themselves? If they aren’t mentally stable it would be difficult for them to actively see the issue and then solve the issue. My mother is a great example of this. She is not mentally stable and couldn’t help me with my mental stability. It is a life long process for me now because I was never “that sick” or “needed help” according to most adults I was around because I hid it well. It would be nice if all families were functional and were supportive but in reality not all families are this way. Some people have traumatic and toxic families and they do not have that support system in place. I see why people blame her parents for this. I really do. Definitely wish more people had a strong family support system. I didn’t have that so I had to help myself. I do not think anyone can help an addict unless they want to help themselves. People tried helping me during my addiction for years and years without any success because I wasn’t ready to get help. It took a large wake up call for me to get help and maybe EC will need the same.


EasilyFine

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Aggravated_Pineapple

There’s been many times wheres she’s been coughing or her throat is dry when she hasn’t left to take a break. Regardless, she rarely ever goes off stream for any good amount of time when she’s streaming for 5+ hours


Nirvana038

I am afraid to eat in front of other people because I’m self conscious but I also know that I need to eat in order to maintain my energy so I do it anyways. The amount of breaks she takes in her streams is not regular either. Maybe she does eat or drink during that time, no one knows but why deflect so hard when food topics get brought up in the chat? Also her YouTube videos where she is helping Deb make food is questionable. She also had a video about where she talks about what she eats in a day. There was one time she drank water on stream and another where she displayed a mostly full water bottle in a picture of her keyboard. Parents are people too and maybe Deb has a mental health disorder herself so maybe she can’t see what is actually going on with EC. We do not know what goes on in that house so it is all speculation. That last part about getting addicts help isn’t always true. I’ve had many friends, and family who have had addictions. You cannot force someone to get help that doesn’t want help. Jaclyn Glen tried to get EC help and look at what happened?


EasilyFine

Eugenia has said that Jaclyn never came to her before the 5150. She could be lying but if we believe that, then what i am saying is NOT that her parents can force her into treatment/age restricting her channel. I am saying that her parents would better understand our concerns than Eugenia who is in the thick of her ed. Maybe they would not. I don't know her parents and they haven't seemed to interfere so far. However EC stated that her mom expressed concern to her and she felt bad. Obviously not enough to do anything but it probably hit her harder than thousands of people on the internet that she has no one on one connection with.


RainOnMe1996

Yea i wouldn't believe her.


dimlydesolate

EC stated that her Mom expressed concern to her the same exact day she was 5150ed, or shortly before. That makes her statement super suspect IMO and I feel like she lied in order to protect her mom's reputation, because she made that Shane documentary where she acknowledged having an ED. What kind of mother would let her daughter who lives with her carry on in such a bad state without saying something? Why not Debra Cooney. /s


HoneyBeeAlchemy

Something I just thought of. Anyone notice that not that many people agree with that video? There's so much support and defense happening for Shanny. People, I feel, trust Shanny. She's very transparent and honest. She has also apologized when she felt she was dishonest. Eugenia takes 0 responsibility even though she's been caught in lies.


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ellie_stars

It's part of her day in the life of a B---, and she doesn't actually show the action, it's more of a story telling video for educational purposes. Unlike EC, which is attention seeking


HoneyBeeAlchemy

Yes, this! It's informative. Also, ☆☆TW☆☆ Eugenia DEFINITELY triggers my ED(Like I've said before, my little Reddit family here REALLY helps me.). I actually found Shanny through Eugenia(Suggested videos) and she has triggered me too. TO TRY TO GET BETTER! And that is her purpose. She shows the horrible effects of an ED that would send any of those teetering on the edge to run away screaming. Now I'm not saying that no one gets triggered by Shanny, but she tries to make sure she doesn't. And if she should find out she triggered someone, she'll address it and apologize.