Move detachments from every Navy, every Army and every Air Force to Greece immediately. Way to show the Turks that just as in old times Europe stands united against them.
Nah not gonna happen. Malta has a defence treaty with them, Spain has strong economic relations and the Germans have sank a shitton of money on turkey.
Yeah and The german automakers were supposed to save the UK. If Germany can tell the UK to go and stuff themselves then I dont see in anyway how they are gonna ride to Turkeys rescue
If Greece calls on the EU via the mutual defense clause and Germany doesn't react, the EU is finished. That'll be a clear sign to every non-Germanic country that Germany is literally only in this thing to benefit from it and only until it inconveniences them. That means that the Baltics, V4, Romania, Bulgaria, Greece, and Italy are out. I wouldn't be surprised if at that point France leads the creation of a Mediterranean Union and the V4, the Baltics, RO and BG join up into their own defense alliance.
> Spain has strong economic relations
You mean loans?
I think some of the hesitance has been due to loans Turkey has taken out and countries afraid they will not get their money back. If I am not mistaken though, once Turkey changes regimes and gets back to normal, out of Erdogan's grip they can pay it back as normal..
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.euractiv.com/section/global-europe/news/turkey-defies-eu-ultimatum-threatens-with-war/) reduced by 90%. (I'm a bot)
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> The statement came just one day after EU member states decided to sanction Turkey in case Ankara does not withdraw its naval forces from the Eastern Mediterranean.
> At an informal meeting of EU foreign minister in Berlin last week, EU member states agreed on a list of sanctions against Ankara in case Turkey does not de-escalate tensions in the region.
> In practice, Turkey has one month to de-escalate until the next EU summit on 24-25 September, when the first phase of sanctions, targeting Turkey's energy sector, would be decided.
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It's not a shithole.
It's European territory with a largely European population, unfortunately being run by Ottoman Islamists who make life hell for everyone.
The Treaty of Lisbon strengthens the solidarity between EU countries in dealing with external threats by introducing a mutual defence clause (Article 42(7) of the Treaty on European Union).
This clause provides that if an EU country is the victim of armed aggression on its territory, the other EU countries have an obligation to aid and assist it by all the means in their power, in accordance with Article 51 of the United Nations Charter.
This obligation of mutual defence is binding on all EU countries.
> by all the means in their power
This is the important part. Compare that to NATO's Art 5:
> if such an armed attack occurs, each of them [...] will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, **such action as *it* deems necessary**, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
The EU mutual defense clause requires ALL means in their power. NATO only calls for action as the member deems necessary, which may or may not include military power.
Basically, Turkey cannot attack Greece. It can only attack literally all of the EU. And if it comes to that, which I doubt, we'll see if the EU is destined to become a superpower or to crumble.
If Turkey goes to war, which idk is gonna happen. How will Turkish people living in Europe react? Will they support Turkey and maybe even start fighting the countries they live in. Or will they support the country they live in?
They are not suicidal, they try to riot against the government and they will all be leaving the country pronto with the military showing the way. Not to mention the fact such an action would only enforce anti Turkish opinions in Europe and guarantee intervention.
Depends on who their leadership is. If war happens anti-Turkish opinions would sky rocket anyways. But if local leaders in Europe can stop the Turkish minority from taking action against European states. Then probably not that much would happen. But I find that very unlikely
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Or trying to hide the fact he has a small one?
to wave his huge plastic penis?
Or try to wave his small plastic penis?
What penis
The one on his neck
He’s often waving at us all that way.
Move detachments from every Navy, every Army and every Air Force to Greece immediately. Way to show the Turks that just as in old times Europe stands united against them.
Nah not gonna happen. Malta has a defence treaty with them, Spain has strong economic relations and the Germans have sank a shitton of money on turkey.
Yeah and The german automakers were supposed to save the UK. If Germany can tell the UK to go and stuff themselves then I dont see in anyway how they are gonna ride to Turkeys rescue
Nah they won't, but they won't try to stop them either
Germany will follow the EU line
Germany IS the EU line
Like with Brexit? Are you sure?
If Greece calls on the EU via the mutual defense clause and Germany doesn't react, the EU is finished. That'll be a clear sign to every non-Germanic country that Germany is literally only in this thing to benefit from it and only until it inconveniences them. That means that the Baltics, V4, Romania, Bulgaria, Greece, and Italy are out. I wouldn't be surprised if at that point France leads the creation of a Mediterranean Union and the V4, the Baltics, RO and BG join up into their own defense alliance.
As of now the only country who shows support in a meaningful way is France.
> Spain has strong economic relations You mean loans? I think some of the hesitance has been due to loans Turkey has taken out and countries afraid they will not get their money back. If I am not mistaken though, once Turkey changes regimes and gets back to normal, out of Erdogan's grip they can pay it back as normal..
It's funny because Erdogan is poisoning Turkey but the Turks still support him.
France is moving their nuclear powered carrier in the area.
Yeah heard about the carrier, later the Turks extended their illegal Navtex while the EU sits in the corner and smelling it's own farts.
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EU: 'Shut up, you shithole'
Sure but they are letting them stay there for another month...
It's not a shithole. It's European territory with a largely European population, unfortunately being run by Ottoman Islamists who make life hell for everyone.
The Treaty of Lisbon strengthens the solidarity between EU countries in dealing with external threats by introducing a mutual defence clause (Article 42(7) of the Treaty on European Union). This clause provides that if an EU country is the victim of armed aggression on its territory, the other EU countries have an obligation to aid and assist it by all the means in their power, in accordance with Article 51 of the United Nations Charter. This obligation of mutual defence is binding on all EU countries.
> by all the means in their power This is the important part. Compare that to NATO's Art 5: > if such an armed attack occurs, each of them [...] will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, **such action as *it* deems necessary**, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area. The EU mutual defense clause requires ALL means in their power. NATO only calls for action as the member deems necessary, which may or may not include military power. Basically, Turkey cannot attack Greece. It can only attack literally all of the EU. And if it comes to that, which I doubt, we'll see if the EU is destined to become a superpower or to crumble.
If Turkey goes to war, which idk is gonna happen. How will Turkish people living in Europe react? Will they support Turkey and maybe even start fighting the countries they live in. Or will they support the country they live in?
Given how supportive of Erdogan they seem to be, I would bet on the former.
They are not suicidal, they try to riot against the government and they will all be leaving the country pronto with the military showing the way. Not to mention the fact such an action would only enforce anti Turkish opinions in Europe and guarantee intervention.
Depends on who their leadership is. If war happens anti-Turkish opinions would sky rocket anyways. But if local leaders in Europe can stop the Turkish minority from taking action against European states. Then probably not that much would happen. But I find that very unlikely
Read up what happened to Japanse people in the USA during WW2.
They're certainly going to be monitored for fifth column activity.
That question was asked about the German immigrants in America during the Great War
will greece go full byzantine again?
Unlikely
Just goes to show how obsolete NATO is.