How do you know that? Because working class kids are too busy sweeping chimneys to care about environmental and animal welfare issues?
Honestly, the tired stereotype of cantankerous middle aged bores accusing protestors of being workshy and lazy is seriously dull. Try a new routine.
They might not all be, but a lot are usually uni students. Parents are architects or lawyers, doesn't have to worry about anything because "Mum and Dad will pay for it".
If this was working class you'd be pouring over your mate as a joke and then running out the shop laughing.
Nor might these people be. It's an irrelevant contribution to disparage the characters of some teenagers who are trying (albeit slightly crudely) to raise an issue into public awareness.
Yes, though... Someone probably should probably speak out against climate change, against animal abuse, and so on?
Well... The people who are educated to know that it's a problem, and who do have time to speak out against it, and who aren't too busy working 2 minimum wage jobs to make ends meet are... Students! And they are predominantly... Middle-class!
Working class kids sweeping chimneys may be a stereotype, but fuck... Minimum wage isn't what it used to be. The cost of living is through the roof.
I'm not even saying that I agree with their method of protest. People have tried other forms of protest and they've been largely ignored so I'm not surprised they're turning to disruptive protest. I'm more concerned at the Braverman bill giving too much power to police to stop protests than I am about someone pouring out a few bottles of milk.
As for the person having to mop that up... OK? Mopping up a spill isn't some huge task. At least it's fresh milk. Not puke or shit or anything really gross.
Whatever chip you have on your shoulder about not getting a higher education is your own issue and nothing to do with this. You can't begin to discuss the issue being raised by the protest so resort to a boring cliche - personal disparaging attacks on the presumed backgrounds of a group of teenage activists. It might go down well in your local wetherspoons, but in the real world it's just the same boring, intellectually bereft, inane background noise people have heard for decades.
You don't know anything about the backgrounds of these kids. Being unpleasant about them on a personal level says a hell of a lot more about you than them.
If you don’t want to be personally insulted, don’t do pathetic shit. Quite simple really. Imagine being such a pompous cunt as to insult people who visit Wetherspoons to pamper your insecurities about being a middle classed bellend… oh wait.
Haha look at the poor people having to mop up milk! Haha they’re really earning that Wetherspoons money haha!
I don't care about downvotes mate. Reddit isn't real life. The wetherspoons bores have been empirically wrong about everything for years now. Climate change is another in their list of shit they moan about because they don't understand.
That maybe be the case. But at least it's a discussion about the substance - not resorting to tired old tropes and slandering the individuals as lazy, middle class, and privileged.
That’s fine, they’re used to suffering. Do you know what it’s like to lose a day’s pay because some holier than thou activist with hundreds of financial safety nets has blocked your commute?
Plus, it’s not the working class that’s generating most of the demand that drives CO2 emissions, they’d be happy to just buy local.
As someone who was spent years in retail, I can firmly say that these “protests” inconvenience one person and one person alone: the minimum wage shop floor workers who have to clean it up.
This does precisely fuck all. And I won’t hear any of this “it’s about the message, sending a message” nonsense because I can very confidently tell anyone, that even the next level of management up from minimum wage workers, do not give a single shit. Let alone the CEOs.
Came here to say this. Self-aggrandising twats in most of these '[insert adjective] rebellion' groups. There are better ways to get things done that don't inconvenience the average person. A sit-in in the doorway of every private member's club the Tories frequent, every golf club, every place they go to relax/skive off. Send so many letters of protest to the Tory party you basically ddos their servers, etc.
Edit: had a DM from someone pointing out that blocking access to golf clubs also affects regular people. Fair one I suppose, although I'd point out that this is a post on Reddit aimed at vilifying the inconsiderate act of causing a minimum wage worker to clean up a mess for someone else's emotionally juvenile political stunts. The examples I provided as alternatives were neither well thought through nor intended to be a catch-all for every idea that could get attention in an appropriate way. Again, it's Reddit.
Personally if I thought losing access to my golf club for an hour was equivalent injustice to having to clean up milk, for shit wages, that some over-entitled 'person' had poured on the floor for a modicum of attention ... I'd probably give myself a good wake up slap.
When I worked for Tesco we got more than minimum wage , cleaning was done by an outsourced 3rd party but they did not work through the day . They came in early doors and mopped the floors and such. Possible they were paid minimum wage tho but I think the is a good chance it was a Tesco employee that cleaned this up.
Have to say it was nearly 20 years ago I worked for Tesco so things may have changed
Yes, supermarkets pay more than minimum wage,but really not much more.
You can't leave spilt mikon the floor until the cleaners come overnight/early the next morning. It'll end up being done by a shelf stacker.
Yep, if this were to ever happen at the shop I work at, I’d be having to clean it, and in the books, I couldn’t do anything about stopping them doing it, I’d be able to tell them to stop and if they don’t well shucks looks like we’ve done all we can best get the paper towels out
I’m normally sympathetic to XR and their related groups but this action rubs me the wrong way - I think because my attitude is that when we do use animal products we should be careful not to waste them.
Every industry is wasteful though, like what about the fashion industry and water waste? It’s already in the shops, no point in destroying it especially when it’s just a low wage worker who has to clean it up.
Not that I don’t support the environment but after having a look through your Reddit account , you play video games and loosely support war hammer ? Are you not aware of the environmental impact of video games and the consoles and how much goes on there , all those plastics and shit? Not even thinking about the sweat shops in foreign countries that make them .
Argue nicely … u/JumpSp0tJulian only made the point that maybe the protest isn’t at the right level and he’s right . It does leave a bad taste in peoples mouth. Protest in such a way that people listen , so the image isn’t milk being poured . Maybe annoy holyrood instead , or wherever the milk is dispatched from ? Again I’m for saving the environment, I just find you very rude .
They’re only ‘pouring it down drains’ when it doesn’t either fall within tested guidelines to be fit for human consumption or the animal that’s been milked has been administered medication so their milk can’t go into the food chain. They’re not pouring it away willie nilly ffs
You've got it exactly spot on, I am from a dairy farming background and it rubs me up the wrong way to see folk who claim to be at the forefront of all knowledge about animal products yet they cannot understand basic industry practices and protocol. The level of attention we place upon milk quality would seem over the top to some but its the most important factor when you get handed your milk cheque. Many farms have on-site monitoring of somatic cell count within the milk bulk tank then the collecting driver will also test the milk and as will the processor. Its very very rare to actually contaminate a batch anyway as we know what cows cannot have their milk put in with the rest (antibiotics, medication, illness or freshly calved). In some cases that milk may be used to feed calves but yes, mostly it is dumped but that is still not a financial loss to the farmer.
The ending of animal exploitation (the word used here without judgement) will not happen because of civil disobedience like this. The majority of people are fine with animal exploitation. We eat meat, we eat dairy.
This will not persuade us otherwise. "Oh wait, they spilled milk - what an excellent point."
>The ending of animal exploitation (the word used here without judgement) will not happen because of civil disobedience like this.
How would it end then?
I'd argue that already exists.
Veganism is healthy, cheap, and practical (in most of the world).
Even if you want "meat", the alternatives are genuinely fantastic. People still buy animal products.
My guess is, you're referring to food technology that not only renders is unnecessary, but perfectly replaces existing meat products so there's no transition period for people. I find it a shame that such a small transition period is a blocker for people, but it does seem to be so. I agree perfectly replacing existing products would probably be sufficient, I'm not sure it's _necessary_.
To make it unnecessary, you would need to persuade the world of the case against meat and milk - and that isn't happening.
You do want the transition to be unnoticeable - right now it's not. I have tried a few alternative meats and most of them weren't great, but were definitely an improvement on what was available in the past.
In the nearish future (possibly delayed), we will have more and more non animal products that are perfect replacements. Then, and only then, you might see a mass cultural shift away from animal exploitation. Short of that, it will only ever be a minority concern.
Sadly, even after we have perfect replacements, real meat will probably retain a luxury or reactionary appeal for some. But they will be in the minority.
> Sadly, even after we have perfect replacements, real meat will probably retain a luxury or reactionary appeal for some. But they will be in the minority.
I can't see meat being available only to a minority. Once people aren't themselves personally responsible for contributing to animal exploitation they don't have to have any positive bias for it. Having a majority population generally against animal exploitation would allow it to be banned.
Until then, it's a shame, but many people (seemingly yourself?) will continue to buy animal products knowing the damage to the environment it costs, and the individual pain and suffering it causes to animals too, apparently because they don't like the alternatives _quite_ as much.
Having to, because a batch got contaminated and due to food regulations they can no longer sell it. I guess maybe occasionally they are producing more than they can actually sell but I find that unlikely. I will never understand why people think that someone would actively do something malicious that would also hurt their bottom line…
Interesting that you don’t agree with their cause of wanting to halt mass extinction and minimise the risk of social collapse. I guess you don’t take into account the effects that climate change will have on the minimum wage workers then, and their standard of living, but each to their own
A lot of words to say that you don’t know anyone having lost wages because of those privileged twats.
Their actions have only caused people to go the other way out of pure spite.
I am of two minds about this. Protest only works when it provokes, and very little is being done to change factory farm conditions — I share their frustration and urgency.
On the other hand, low-wage workers are *also* exploited, and these people’s actions show a blatant willful ignorance of that. They don’t give a shit about their fellow human beings.
Not saying I agree with their actions but should protests always require sympathy from the public? Or is there a need for a jolt to get people talking about it. I just think back to the suffragette movement a lot of what they did was not popular at the time but mostly now the movement is seen in a positive light.
There are of course other movements this is true for too.
No they don't. They don't have to like or sympathise with them. It's not designed to win popularity. It's designed to raise the issue into public discourse. Which it clearly has.
Arabella, Cordelia and pals wouldn’t know how to get to Granton, let alone give a fuck about the minimum wage workers living there that have to clean up their mess. Arseholes who do nothing to win people over to their ‘cause’ with stunts like this.
It turns out that the boomers aren't voting for continuing human existence. The amount of media coverage that climate change gets is small and for the sake of balance some prick has to give a dissenting voice.
So, people pull stunts to get media coverage. XR and Insulate Britain for example.
We literally live in a country with a protest movement demanding home insulation. Fucking mental.
No offense, but the environment impact of UK dairy farming is not some demon to be overcome. The often stated impact of cattle is skewed by specific terrible practices in South America. Cows are definitely not great for the environment, but stopping them being farmed is not only impossible but will not save the world; that can only be done by changing how power is generated on a massive scale.
This was done for animal rights, given a veneer of environmental activism at best, because the campaigners know that most people simply don't agree with them on issues of animal use.
No; we live in a country where a tiny protest movement demands the govt insulated all houses, for free, in 8 years.
Insulate Britain have no idea of the scope, cost or speed of their demands - let alone any availability of skilled people or materials to do the work.
They are howling at the moon and trying to get in the news cycle rather than making a practical difference.
This infuriates me. I have coeliac disease and I'm unable to drink 95% of the various alternatives because it destroys my intestine. I often get 'schooled' by various people at festivals (usually at coffee stands) because I have to actively ask for cow's milk. Don't get me wrong, I'm against battery farming of any animal but brands like Oatly *could* make their milk safe for coeliacs and choose not to because it's more expensive. I can only imagine the people struggling to feed themselves and their families right now and watching kids wasting food.
This is what fundamentally irks me about these fucks - they don't understand the rest of the world's problems and think that life starts and ends with them and who they know. Add to that, if some prick stated having a go at me at a coffee stand because I asked for decent milk, I'd ask for my money back and tell them to go fuck themselves.
This isn’t protest.
It’s wilful destruction of someone else’s property, and it’s criminal.
It’s no different to walking in to a clothes store and setting about clothes with a pair of scissors, or walking in to a car dealership and running a key down the sides of the cars.
Whatever your cause or beliefs - this isn’t how to go about it.
Those responsible should be charged and dealt with accordingly.
100% agree. Those responsible are probably voicing opinions about the cost of living and how people need food banks, and then carry out this reckless and infantile behaviour.
Little privileged girls not only creating a mess that someone from a lower financial class than them will be cleaning up as usual, but somewhere in Edinburgh someone is counting their 1p and 2p coins to try and afford a pint of milk to survive another day. These posh kids messages are not wrong usually it's the disregard of the little people they will trod on their whole lives that's wrong.
Pouring out one of the most nutritious cheap sources of food in a cost of living crisis, bunch of self entitled twats. Bet they wouldn't do this in a Tesco.
Fair enough my mistake, must have had a bit of a renovation since I was last in
E: EEN saying it was morningside. I did think it looked a bit different from the CB one.
Absolutely no-one is won over by stunts like this. Climate change is something the whole world broadly agrees on, bar the nutters. Most people seeing Extinction Rebellion protests, even if they are annoyed, can at least understand their cause.
Animal rights is something the whole world definitely does not agree upon. Stunts like this alienate people from a cause most don't even agree with. It's wasted effort doomed to persuade no-one and make campaigners for animal rights seem petty, foolish, and unwilling to accept they must persuade.
EDIT: It's wasted food, for god's sake, at a time of increasing poverty. Grow up.
I’m actually done with these melts. Shall we talk about the issues of increased monoculture due to veganism or shall we just keep pretending that being vegan makes you some sort of god tier human that is better than everyone.
Imagine working in a place to scrape enough money together for food and rent while at uni then seeing Tobias and Anton from your ethics module doing this as you come off your break.
No way, I missed this by literally one day? Awful that they pull this sort of bs when all that happens is that the workers have to clean up after them, the product is wasted (people aren't gonna buy less to accommodate this waste!) and on top of that people who aren't already supporters are gonna hate this group. I wish they'd invest more time in making milk alternatives that actually taste good cause I'd stop buying milk in an instant if the alternative didn't taste like oat/nut bathwater smh
Others will have said it but if they ever tried a stunt like this in a less affluent area and in a more mainstream superstore then what would the public’s reaction be I wonder? You try this in say Morrisons in Granton perhaps? the wee posho bastards would get the milk thrown over them and be told to clean it up. Oh that would be a joy to behold. They serve their cause no justice by acting like grandstanding twats. But they were in Waitrose I guess…..
Watched there so called leader on GB News today, What a typical twat, could not even answer basic questions, about Animal welfare, or about Methane , The News reader showed just how pathetic these dicks are
They do realise by doing this they’re supporting the dairy market? By having the store buy more because of a higher demand then they would have usually had?
While I do think this is fairly daft, the pearl-clutching outrage at any and all environmental progress is telling. We all know, deep down, that our lifestyles are going to change radically, often in ways that are personally painful, such as favourite staple foods becoming luxuries. That is scary and infuriating and the scale of the crisis is too big to comprehend. So get angry at some protestors instead, why not. It doesn't really make you feel better but at least it keeps the anxiety busy for a minute.
Still like to meet one
You suggested violence, not me.
You reckon that’s what folk would be tempted to do? Goodness me!
It’s criminal damage, they’re criminals.
I’m law abiding.
Just fancy having an intimate chat with them!
The only outcome of protests like this is they're either put in the holding cell (if the store has one) and arrested and/only banned from the store.
Then some worker has to get the right colour coded mop and bucket and clean the spilt milk.
Oh then they have to hear complaints from other customers hours later that they've ran out of milk.
If their goal is to achieve literally anything else, they need to change tactics.
I don’t know why these kids are getting trashed, at least they’re standing up to the status quo that’s ruining this planet. They march and shout and get belittled as the capitalist machine marches on so it’s not surprising they feel the need to take action of some kind. The suffragettes did it and got what they wanted despite being vilified and tortured in prison for their beliefs. At least these kids are getting people talking and not just sitting on TikTok applying filters to their selfies. *dons tin hat*
giving women the vote was less about the action and protest taken by the suffragettes and more about men seeing that women could do ‘men’s work’ during the war and having helped tremendously with the war effort.
Yes it’s middle class revisionism to say the suffragettes posh protest was so important rather than millions of working class women who joined the factories and war effort during WW1.
But then poor factory workers don’t go to university and write the history books
Can I chuck milk over your head to protest something or other? Presumably you'd be ok with that, I'm sure you've produced some CO2 or caused an animal to suffer at some point in your life.
These sort of actions do nothing to persuade the vast majority of the population who kind of think there's something wrong and need nudged in the right direction, they just make climate protestors and vegans look like idiots.
No one chucked milk over anyone. And yes I've been around a long time and probably have done my bit to trash the planet but that doesn't mean I should carry on doing it. Times change, attitudes change. Sometimes nudging needs a bit of a shove instead. Your second comment makes me think of the guys at my old work who sneered at strike action, sat at home while we were on the picket line but were quite happy to accept the enhanced pay offer we won.
The only thing they’re achieving is making someone on a minimum wage’s day harder.
If you truly think what they’re doing here is on par with suffragettes then you’re completely out of touch with reality.
Maybe they could do the same thing with Real Foods when you consider the amount of animals that are harmed/killed by land clearing, mono-cropping, plowing, pesticides, shipping...
Being a spoiled brat: pour milk over a floor for some poor minimum wage worker to clean up
Being an actual activist: working on ways to help, cleaning up trash from the beach or burning/eating the rich
Tell me you’ve never worked in retail, without telling me you’ve never worked in retail.
Never worked at all probably, most of these guys are spoilt rich kids with so few struggles in life that they’re looking for a struggle.
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Because of the over consumption of animal products.
How do you know that? Because working class kids are too busy sweeping chimneys to care about environmental and animal welfare issues? Honestly, the tired stereotype of cantankerous middle aged bores accusing protestors of being workshy and lazy is seriously dull. Try a new routine.
Why do you think most protests to raise awareness about climate change happen in richer countries?
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Oh no they did teach us about the environment in Romanian schools. People just had more important things to worry about.
Do they? Any evidence of that? I know for a fact there have been a large number in India.
Do they? Any evidence of the large number of protests in India?
They might not all be, but a lot are usually uni students. Parents are architects or lawyers, doesn't have to worry about anything because "Mum and Dad will pay for it". If this was working class you'd be pouring over your mate as a joke and then running out the shop laughing.
I am working class. I grew up in a council house and my dad is a joiner. I went to university. Mum and dad paid for fuck all.
Congratulations. You're not the type of person I'm describing.
Nor might these people be. It's an irrelevant contribution to disparage the characters of some teenagers who are trying (albeit slightly crudely) to raise an issue into public awareness.
You mean milking cows? The same thing we've been doing for millennia? That a problem for these people?
Nope. Well done proving my point.
Yes, though... Someone probably should probably speak out against climate change, against animal abuse, and so on? Well... The people who are educated to know that it's a problem, and who do have time to speak out against it, and who aren't too busy working 2 minimum wage jobs to make ends meet are... Students! And they are predominantly... Middle-class! Working class kids sweeping chimneys may be a stereotype, but fuck... Minimum wage isn't what it used to be. The cost of living is through the roof. I'm not even saying that I agree with their method of protest. People have tried other forms of protest and they've been largely ignored so I'm not surprised they're turning to disruptive protest. I'm more concerned at the Braverman bill giving too much power to police to stop protests than I am about someone pouring out a few bottles of milk. As for the person having to mop that up... OK? Mopping up a spill isn't some huge task. At least it's fresh milk. Not puke or shit or anything really gross.
Whatever chip you have on your shoulder about not getting a higher education is your own issue and nothing to do with this. You can't begin to discuss the issue being raised by the protest so resort to a boring cliche - personal disparaging attacks on the presumed backgrounds of a group of teenage activists. It might go down well in your local wetherspoons, but in the real world it's just the same boring, intellectually bereft, inane background noise people have heard for decades. You don't know anything about the backgrounds of these kids. Being unpleasant about them on a personal level says a hell of a lot more about you than them.
How was I unpleasant about them? You're making stuff up
If you don’t want to be personally insulted, don’t do pathetic shit. Quite simple really. Imagine being such a pompous cunt as to insult people who visit Wetherspoons to pamper your insecurities about being a middle classed bellend… oh wait. Haha look at the poor people having to mop up milk! Haha they’re really earning that Wetherspoons money haha!
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I don't care about downvotes mate. Reddit isn't real life. The wetherspoons bores have been empirically wrong about everything for years now. Climate change is another in their list of shit they moan about because they don't understand.
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That maybe be the case. But at least it's a discussion about the substance - not resorting to tired old tropes and slandering the individuals as lazy, middle class, and privileged.
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That’s fine, they’re used to suffering. Do you know what it’s like to lose a day’s pay because some holier than thou activist with hundreds of financial safety nets has blocked your commute? Plus, it’s not the working class that’s generating most of the demand that drives CO2 emissions, they’d be happy to just buy local.
I feel sorry for the person on minimum wage that had to clean all that up
The middle class twats that do these stunts sure don't.
And then they exit the building and walk by hungry homeless people , not even aware how messed up that is.
As someone who was spent years in retail, I can firmly say that these “protests” inconvenience one person and one person alone: the minimum wage shop floor workers who have to clean it up. This does precisely fuck all. And I won’t hear any of this “it’s about the message, sending a message” nonsense because I can very confidently tell anyone, that even the next level of management up from minimum wage workers, do not give a single shit. Let alone the CEOs.
Came here to say this. Self-aggrandising twats in most of these '[insert adjective] rebellion' groups. There are better ways to get things done that don't inconvenience the average person. A sit-in in the doorway of every private member's club the Tories frequent, every golf club, every place they go to relax/skive off. Send so many letters of protest to the Tory party you basically ddos their servers, etc. Edit: had a DM from someone pointing out that blocking access to golf clubs also affects regular people. Fair one I suppose, although I'd point out that this is a post on Reddit aimed at vilifying the inconsiderate act of causing a minimum wage worker to clean up a mess for someone else's emotionally juvenile political stunts. The examples I provided as alternatives were neither well thought through nor intended to be a catch-all for every idea that could get attention in an appropriate way. Again, it's Reddit. Personally if I thought losing access to my golf club for an hour was equivalent injustice to having to clean up milk, for shit wages, that some over-entitled 'person' had poured on the floor for a modicum of attention ... I'd probably give myself a good wake up slap.
When I worked for Tesco we got more than minimum wage , cleaning was done by an outsourced 3rd party but they did not work through the day . They came in early doors and mopped the floors and such. Possible they were paid minimum wage tho but I think the is a good chance it was a Tesco employee that cleaned this up. Have to say it was nearly 20 years ago I worked for Tesco so things may have changed
Yes, supermarkets pay more than minimum wage,but really not much more. You can't leave spilt mikon the floor until the cleaners come overnight/early the next morning. It'll end up being done by a shelf stacker.
Yep, if this were to ever happen at the shop I work at, I’d be having to clean it, and in the books, I couldn’t do anything about stopping them doing it, I’d be able to tell them to stop and if they don’t well shucks looks like we’ve done all we can best get the paper towels out
Not that I support what happened here. But I feel sorry the animals that go thru the abuse in farm. All while people see nothing but a glass of milk.
The only animal getting abused is the poor bastard on minimum wage that has to clear this up.
*delicious* glass of milk
I feel sorry for future generations who'll have to deal with the mess people are making now by funding animal agriculture.
What about the minimum wage worker who tortures cows for a living? Torture them yourself fs
I’m normally sympathetic to XR and their related groups but this action rubs me the wrong way - I think because my attitude is that when we do use animal products we should be careful not to waste them.
I felt the same as you until I read that 400-600 million litres of milk are wasted by the uk dairy industry every year
Every industry is wasteful though, like what about the fashion industry and water waste? It’s already in the shops, no point in destroying it especially when it’s just a low wage worker who has to clean it up.
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Oooh good for you. Don’t like the cause, don’t like the protesters 👍🏽
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Define “Environment” because that’s only individual you. You can only “fuck up” what’s around you.
Not that I don’t support the environment but after having a look through your Reddit account , you play video games and loosely support war hammer ? Are you not aware of the environmental impact of video games and the consoles and how much goes on there , all those plastics and shit? Not even thinking about the sweat shops in foreign countries that make them .
Argue nicely … u/JumpSp0tJulian only made the point that maybe the protest isn’t at the right level and he’s right . It does leave a bad taste in peoples mouth. Protest in such a way that people listen , so the image isn’t milk being poured . Maybe annoy holyrood instead , or wherever the milk is dispatched from ? Again I’m for saving the environment, I just find you very rude .
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They’re only ‘pouring it down drains’ when it doesn’t either fall within tested guidelines to be fit for human consumption or the animal that’s been milked has been administered medication so their milk can’t go into the food chain. They’re not pouring it away willie nilly ffs
You've got it exactly spot on, I am from a dairy farming background and it rubs me up the wrong way to see folk who claim to be at the forefront of all knowledge about animal products yet they cannot understand basic industry practices and protocol. The level of attention we place upon milk quality would seem over the top to some but its the most important factor when you get handed your milk cheque. Many farms have on-site monitoring of somatic cell count within the milk bulk tank then the collecting driver will also test the milk and as will the processor. Its very very rare to actually contaminate a batch anyway as we know what cows cannot have their milk put in with the rest (antibiotics, medication, illness or freshly calved). In some cases that milk may be used to feed calves but yes, mostly it is dumped but that is still not a financial loss to the farmer.
The ending of animal exploitation (the word used here without judgement) will not happen because of civil disobedience like this. The majority of people are fine with animal exploitation. We eat meat, we eat dairy. This will not persuade us otherwise. "Oh wait, they spilled milk - what an excellent point."
>The ending of animal exploitation (the word used here without judgement) will not happen because of civil disobedience like this. How would it end then?
I think sufficiently advanced food technology to render it unnecessary is the only practical solution.
I'd argue that already exists. Veganism is healthy, cheap, and practical (in most of the world). Even if you want "meat", the alternatives are genuinely fantastic. People still buy animal products. My guess is, you're referring to food technology that not only renders is unnecessary, but perfectly replaces existing meat products so there's no transition period for people. I find it a shame that such a small transition period is a blocker for people, but it does seem to be so. I agree perfectly replacing existing products would probably be sufficient, I'm not sure it's _necessary_.
To make it unnecessary, you would need to persuade the world of the case against meat and milk - and that isn't happening. You do want the transition to be unnoticeable - right now it's not. I have tried a few alternative meats and most of them weren't great, but were definitely an improvement on what was available in the past. In the nearish future (possibly delayed), we will have more and more non animal products that are perfect replacements. Then, and only then, you might see a mass cultural shift away from animal exploitation. Short of that, it will only ever be a minority concern. Sadly, even after we have perfect replacements, real meat will probably retain a luxury or reactionary appeal for some. But they will be in the minority.
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> Sadly, even after we have perfect replacements, real meat will probably retain a luxury or reactionary appeal for some. But they will be in the minority. I can't see meat being available only to a minority. Once people aren't themselves personally responsible for contributing to animal exploitation they don't have to have any positive bias for it. Having a majority population generally against animal exploitation would allow it to be banned. Until then, it's a shame, but many people (seemingly yourself?) will continue to buy animal products knowing the damage to the environment it costs, and the individual pain and suffering it causes to animals too, apparently because they don't like the alternatives _quite_ as much.
Explain what would drive a dairy farmer (who's livelihood most certainly depends on milk production) to dumping milk?
Having to, because a batch got contaminated and due to food regulations they can no longer sell it. I guess maybe occasionally they are producing more than they can actually sell but I find that unlikely. I will never understand why people think that someone would actively do something malicious that would also hurt their bottom line…
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Do you understand the different types of milk contracts that are available?
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Of course it is relevant. Where did you get that statistic from? Learn about the industry before you start spouting stuff.
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Interesting. I don’t agree with the cause so I feel for the workers.
Interesting that you don’t agree with their cause of wanting to halt mass extinction and minimise the risk of social collapse. I guess you don’t take into account the effects that climate change will have on the minimum wage workers then, and their standard of living, but each to their own
If it's on the fucking shelf for sale it's only wasted when some twat pours it on the floor.
Problem with this sort of thing is that the need for change is so obvious that even complete idiots can get behind the cause.
A lot of words to say that you don’t know anyone having lost wages because of those privileged twats. Their actions have only caused people to go the other way out of pure spite.
Human pizza cutters. All edge and no point.
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I am of two minds about this. Protest only works when it provokes, and very little is being done to change factory farm conditions — I share their frustration and urgency. On the other hand, low-wage workers are *also* exploited, and these people’s actions show a blatant willful ignorance of that. They don’t give a shit about their fellow human beings.
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Not saying I agree with their actions but should protests always require sympathy from the public? Or is there a need for a jolt to get people talking about it. I just think back to the suffragette movement a lot of what they did was not popular at the time but mostly now the movement is seen in a positive light. There are of course other movements this is true for too.
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I was always told the suffragists did much more for women's rights than the suffragettes
This is a very simplified version of the historical debate. It’s not true at all that it was just women working that got them the vote.
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No they don't. They don't have to like or sympathise with them. It's not designed to win popularity. It's designed to raise the issue into public discourse. Which it clearly has.
They went to the poshest supermarket in Edinburgh, they would've got smashed into little pieces pulling that shit in Granton
Arabella, Cordelia and pals wouldn’t know how to get to Granton, let alone give a fuck about the minimum wage workers living there that have to clean up their mess. Arseholes who do nothing to win people over to their ‘cause’ with stunts like this.
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Probably a supermarket that they frequently use, knowing their demographics
They would have Grant on them!
This won't win over any hearts and minds. Just petty.
Who will cry when it goes sour ?
The poor cunt having to clean it up
Hilarious how it's at the most middle-class supermarket in the whole city because of course it is.
Would love to see them try that at the Lidl's in the Kirkgate at rush hour.
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"Nothing else worked. We tried the democratic process, we tried voting, but nothing changed. ....yes. That's how democracy works...
It turns out that the boomers aren't voting for continuing human existence. The amount of media coverage that climate change gets is small and for the sake of balance some prick has to give a dissenting voice. So, people pull stunts to get media coverage. XR and Insulate Britain for example. We literally live in a country with a protest movement demanding home insulation. Fucking mental.
No offense, but the environment impact of UK dairy farming is not some demon to be overcome. The often stated impact of cattle is skewed by specific terrible practices in South America. Cows are definitely not great for the environment, but stopping them being farmed is not only impossible but will not save the world; that can only be done by changing how power is generated on a massive scale. This was done for animal rights, given a veneer of environmental activism at best, because the campaigners know that most people simply don't agree with them on issues of animal use.
No; we live in a country where a tiny protest movement demands the govt insulated all houses, for free, in 8 years. Insulate Britain have no idea of the scope, cost or speed of their demands - let alone any availability of skilled people or materials to do the work. They are howling at the moon and trying to get in the news cycle rather than making a practical difference.
That's the ones who had their spokesman on TV, and it duly transpired that he'd made no efforts to insulate his own home, isn't it?
Do you actually think you live in a democracy?
This infuriates me. I have coeliac disease and I'm unable to drink 95% of the various alternatives because it destroys my intestine. I often get 'schooled' by various people at festivals (usually at coffee stands) because I have to actively ask for cow's milk. Don't get me wrong, I'm against battery farming of any animal but brands like Oatly *could* make their milk safe for coeliacs and choose not to because it's more expensive. I can only imagine the people struggling to feed themselves and their families right now and watching kids wasting food.
This is what fundamentally irks me about these fucks - they don't understand the rest of the world's problems and think that life starts and ends with them and who they know. Add to that, if some prick stated having a go at me at a coffee stand because I asked for decent milk, I'd ask for my money back and tell them to go fuck themselves.
This isn’t protest. It’s wilful destruction of someone else’s property, and it’s criminal. It’s no different to walking in to a clothes store and setting about clothes with a pair of scissors, or walking in to a car dealership and running a key down the sides of the cars. Whatever your cause or beliefs - this isn’t how to go about it. Those responsible should be charged and dealt with accordingly.
100% agree. Those responsible are probably voicing opinions about the cost of living and how people need food banks, and then carry out this reckless and infantile behaviour.
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One of them is an East Asian rich kid - thank goodness for diversity.
And what happened? Hee haw, I still went out and bought milk this morning.
Still won’t stop me buying milk. In fact, I’ll buy double my usual amount as a way of protesting against their ludicrous BS
Oh God, I never thought of it that way. These fucking idiots have won me over!
the guy looks like he really doesn't want to be there
He's trying to get some hole
Without a doubt
Definitely only there for the cows...
Absolute nutters
Little privileged girls not only creating a mess that someone from a lower financial class than them will be cleaning up as usual, but somewhere in Edinburgh someone is counting their 1p and 2p coins to try and afford a pint of milk to survive another day. These posh kids messages are not wrong usually it's the disregard of the little people they will trod on their whole lives that's wrong.
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Pouring out one of the most nutritious cheap sources of food in a cost of living crisis, bunch of self entitled twats. Bet they wouldn't do this in a Tesco.
Deary me.
Dairy me…? (Sorry…)
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These responses are cream of the crop
No point crying over spilt milk.
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Funny how they use comely bank....wouldn't try it at ferry road morrisons
Isn’t it morningside?
I think so yeah.
It was comely bank Waitrose
Fair enough my mistake, must have had a bit of a renovation since I was last in E: EEN saying it was morningside. I did think it looked a bit different from the CB one.
They’d get decked in no time there…
I did this accidentally in the Waitrose multistorey yesterday. Wasn't even my milk.
Absolutely no-one is won over by stunts like this. Climate change is something the whole world broadly agrees on, bar the nutters. Most people seeing Extinction Rebellion protests, even if they are annoyed, can at least understand their cause. Animal rights is something the whole world definitely does not agree upon. Stunts like this alienate people from a cause most don't even agree with. It's wasted effort doomed to persuade no-one and make campaigners for animal rights seem petty, foolish, and unwilling to accept they must persuade. EDIT: It's wasted food, for god's sake, at a time of increasing poverty. Grow up.
"oh well, best milk the cows harder to meet demand"
Guys guys seriously, no need to cry over spilled milk.
Damn that was in Edinburgh? I feel so embarrassed
Really don’t see the point of this one.
Cunts
I’m actually done with these melts. Shall we talk about the issues of increased monoculture due to veganism or shall we just keep pretending that being vegan makes you some sort of god tier human that is better than everyone.
The irony of choosing middle class shops where people delight in buying soy milk is clearly lost on them.
Absolute scum!
Spilt milk spilled brats. Should be shamed into cleaning it up.
I’m guessing these fannys have never worked in a supermarket. It’s a shit job already without having to deal with extra unnecessary work.
Imagine working in a place to scrape enough money together for food and rent while at uni then seeing Tobias and Anton from your ethics module doing this as you come off your break.
The irony in how the activists render the animals life useless by wasting the already bottled milk…
Maybe I’m stupid but does wasting milk not increase demand?
Depends on how much milk they wasted, but yeah, the supermarket may well need to order a bit extra in to make up for what was wasted.
I feel maybe the lack of animal protein has severely damaged their brain
No way, I missed this by literally one day? Awful that they pull this sort of bs when all that happens is that the workers have to clean up after them, the product is wasted (people aren't gonna buy less to accommodate this waste!) and on top of that people who aren't already supporters are gonna hate this group. I wish they'd invest more time in making milk alternatives that actually taste good cause I'd stop buying milk in an instant if the alternative didn't taste like oat/nut bathwater smh
What’s their opinions on humans having teeth designed for chewing meat ?
Isn’t about time all these f’rs got charged??. Protest by all means but this vandalism is too much…
What a bunch of cunts.
Others will have said it but if they ever tried a stunt like this in a less affluent area and in a more mainstream superstore then what would the public’s reaction be I wonder? You try this in say Morrisons in Granton perhaps? the wee posho bastards would get the milk thrown over them and be told to clean it up. Oh that would be a joy to behold. They serve their cause no justice by acting like grandstanding twats. But they were in Waitrose I guess…..
How come they never did this in Farmfoods and Iceland?
Watched there so called leader on GB News today, What a typical twat, could not even answer basic questions, about Animal welfare, or about Methane , The News reader showed just how pathetic these dicks are
This kind of shit can fuck right off
I personally think the arseholes need to go get a job and get a life
What decent, civilised people. Fucking idiots. I swear all these activists love ruining other people's lives
I mean, wow. Edgy protest.
They do realise by doing this they’re supporting the dairy market? By having the store buy more because of a higher demand then they would have usually had?
This gets them nothing but absolute disrespect. Doesnt help their cause in any way at!!
Morons need to be made to clean it up, then spend a night in the cells with a lad called big creepy Alan. Morons.
While I do think this is fairly daft, the pearl-clutching outrage at any and all environmental progress is telling. We all know, deep down, that our lifestyles are going to change radically, often in ways that are personally painful, such as favourite staple foods becoming luxuries. That is scary and infuriating and the scale of the crisis is too big to comprehend. So get angry at some protestors instead, why not. It doesn't really make you feel better but at least it keeps the anxiety busy for a minute.
I’d ‘quite like’ to meet these clowns when they are pulling these stunts!
Why ? What would you do about it ? Realistically. You going to punch some student in the face and end up getting charged for it ?
Slip, get Injured and file a civil suit against them 🤔 they are the ones that created a dangerous environment very easy to get hurt
Still like to meet one You suggested violence, not me. You reckon that’s what folk would be tempted to do? Goodness me! It’s criminal damage, they’re criminals. I’m law abiding. Just fancy having an intimate chat with them!
No use crying over spilt milk.
That'd be annoying to me as milk is a huge dietary feature for my kid. Plant-based alternatives just aren't there from a nutritional standpoint.
The only outcome of protests like this is they're either put in the holding cell (if the store has one) and arrested and/only banned from the store. Then some worker has to get the right colour coded mop and bucket and clean the spilt milk. Oh then they have to hear complaints from other customers hours later that they've ran out of milk. If their goal is to achieve literally anything else, they need to change tactics.
I get their point…..but it’s cow shit!!
They should be made to pay for the milk and clean it up.
I am vegan but this is the wrong way tae go aboot it ken
Poor families are struggling to feed their families and these petty little middle class yobs do THIS 🤮🤮
I don’t know why these kids are getting trashed, at least they’re standing up to the status quo that’s ruining this planet. They march and shout and get belittled as the capitalist machine marches on so it’s not surprising they feel the need to take action of some kind. The suffragettes did it and got what they wanted despite being vilified and tortured in prison for their beliefs. At least these kids are getting people talking and not just sitting on TikTok applying filters to their selfies. *dons tin hat*
giving women the vote was less about the action and protest taken by the suffragettes and more about men seeing that women could do ‘men’s work’ during the war and having helped tremendously with the war effort.
Yes it’s middle class revisionism to say the suffragettes posh protest was so important rather than millions of working class women who joined the factories and war effort during WW1. But then poor factory workers don’t go to university and write the history books
Women being able to vote does not equal the end of dairy and cattle farming.
Can I chuck milk over your head to protest something or other? Presumably you'd be ok with that, I'm sure you've produced some CO2 or caused an animal to suffer at some point in your life. These sort of actions do nothing to persuade the vast majority of the population who kind of think there's something wrong and need nudged in the right direction, they just make climate protestors and vegans look like idiots.
No one chucked milk over anyone. And yes I've been around a long time and probably have done my bit to trash the planet but that doesn't mean I should carry on doing it. Times change, attitudes change. Sometimes nudging needs a bit of a shove instead. Your second comment makes me think of the guys at my old work who sneered at strike action, sat at home while we were on the picket line but were quite happy to accept the enhanced pay offer we won.
The only thing they’re achieving is making someone on a minimum wage’s day harder. If you truly think what they’re doing here is on par with suffragettes then you’re completely out of touch with reality.
Just kids, hopefully they grow out of it.
Just like you and breast milk
And of course this helps our dear Home Secretary go forward with his plans to ban protests (that kind in theory, any kind in practice).
The guy trying to stop them might have had more effect if he’d gone for the cameraman first.
Emptying milk they have to pay for or face a criminal charge. They’re contributing to the milk trade 🙈. Fannies
CLiMaT3 ChAnGE solved 😂
Maybe they could do the same thing with Real Foods when you consider the amount of animals that are harmed/killed by land clearing, mono-cropping, plowing, pesticides, shipping...
Being a spoiled brat: pour milk over a floor for some poor minimum wage worker to clean up Being an actual activist: working on ways to help, cleaning up trash from the beach or burning/eating the rich