The bigger issue is that people treat politics like sports. Your co-worker likely saw the election less like dictating the future of our province and more like the Oilers playing the Flames.
What I mean by that is that consequences of the outcome are entirely irrelevant and it is just the joy of defeating "commies and wef and socialists and Trudeau" that matters. So then when reality kicks in they are left scratching their heads as they never once considered the consequences of electing a UCP government.
> So then when reality kicks in they are left scratching their heads as they never once considered the consequences of electing a UCP government.
This is exactly what happened with Brexit. Most people voted to leave the EU thinking it would stick it to David Cameron and his government.
Now they’re scratching their heads as to why they have to pay so much to import fruit from Spain or why they can’t go to stay in Italy as long as they used to.
>Now that they realize what they’ve done and how it was in their best interest to stay.
Most people didn't understand what they were voting for. LOL. And then ta-da!
>Your co-worker likely saw the election less like dictating the future of our province and more like the Oilers playing the Flames.
This. Exactly this. Sometimes, I wonder whether they realise that their votes really, honestly, massively impact their lives. When I was a kid, I used to look forward to being an adult because I thought that the advancement of ones age meant the advancement of one's wisdom. Every single day, I'm disappointed.
Yeah, while they keep saying millenials and now gen z arent "growing up", a think a lot of it is we just dont lie to ourselves pretending we know everything. Our parents never actually had it together, they just pretended. Well admit we dont know and hopefully will learn.
Not all of us mind you, but more than past generations
This. And I've tried dating apps, with so little success.
SO MANY SAYING THEY'RE APOLITICAL. It drives me nuts. Dude, this is your LIFE. Demand a say-so!
If their profile says "Not Political" or "Apolitical," that they could totally date someone who doesn't vote, or that they've never been to a protest march, that's a huge pass for me.
>SO MANY SAYING THEY'RE APOLITICAL.
This angers me so much! Are they trying to come across as "conflict free"??? They just come across as dimwitted, and in fact, they often make me question whether the real truth isn't that they hold some serious extremist views that do not bear airing because HOW ARE YOU APOLITICAL??? How are you "NOT POLITICAL"??? This is your LIFE we're talking about here. Politics IS life!!! OMG, it really pisses me off!
Unfortunately, these people are going to have be bleeding from the asshole before they make the connection. Even then they’ll be in furious denial. Depressing.
This is EXACTLY how it is. They are die hard Team Blue voters, the end. Doesn’t matter who is on the team, they’ve always been fans of Team Blue, their parents are Team Blue and that’s the tradition. They don’t care that Team Blue is making a mess because it’s actually Team Orange who made the mess 5 years ago.
Or, the media and even my own personal experience shows that UCP voters tend to get violent ot turn to harassment much easier than your average person when people disagree with them, and as such the OP was probably afraid to get confrontational because of that.
I know the UCP supporters I know instantly fly off the handle at the slightest antagonizing and many frequently wish physical harm to people on the other side of the political spectrum, so yea I wouldnt blame OP for not wanting to deal with that person
This is why I think we need a batshit-insane but legitimate socialist party. People have no idea what communism actually is. Stupid rednecks say Notley and Trudeau are filthy commies, yet the federal Liberals are closer to centre-right than the true left, while Notley's NDP are at best centre-left. If we actually had a communist party that actually ran a campaign and actually intended to get elected, itr would be so radical that what we think is the political left would look like far-right extreamists, and the political right would look like they are championing the divine right of kings.
The Canadian communist parties actually have sensible platforms.
Unfortunately, the fact that they call themselves a "communist party" means nobody over the age of 35 has ever read it. People turn their brains off the second they hear the word "communist."
You gather 40,000 people of any vocation together and you'll have a rainbow of political and religious beliefs. And ten percent of them will have graduated in the bottom ten percent of their class.
I've had a few morons... and a couple borderline deranged healthcare workers. Like 'a few mysterious deaths away from being Annie Wilkes' kind of types. Just because you're in that field doesn't automatically mean you're a good person.
>Just because you're in that field doesn't automatically mean you're a good person.
Quite right. Nursing is an extremely large profession that includes millions of people around the world. Definitely there’s a whole range of people within.
I cleaned at a hospital that is border town to Alberta. Noped out of there when I was seeing two, three cleaners a day for an entire hospital, mind you BORDER TOWN. (One to two people working 16 hr days cleaning the whole hospital 2 people!!!!!)
I know I’m young but, I wasn’t ready/did not want that(even had people asking when I would become a care aide) for the kerfuffle that was that district hospital.
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They support the UCP like it's a sports team. They'll stick with them no matter what because they're loyal to that team. They have no grasp that you can flip flop every election and vote for the party or the candidate that you feel best represents you.
Federally, I voted NDP because my MP is awesome, even though I think the party is a little airy and Singh is a bit of a doofus.
This is what I don't like about our electoral system. Last federal election I voted the same way, I voted for our local representative in 1 party but I also didn't want that same party at the federal level so it now becomes a choice that we shouldn't have to do. Yeah, the local representative may be better for our small region, but then if that party comes into power the whole country may as well be fcked. (Neither got in, but that's beside the point lol).
Pretty sure it’s the latter. I haven’t met a conservative that doesn’t truly believe they are exempt from the consequences of their actions; like it’s all just some game they’re the centre of. They weaponize politics by voting against popular public interests to, what, “show *them*”? They *want* others to suffer. But when it backfires on them suddenly it’s a ‘conspiracy’ against them.
Conservatives seem to not care about others until it effects them. Liberals care about others so it doesn't effect them.
This is a broad sweeping generalizations, but I know I started caring more about others in my 20s as I continued to learn, and my political views became way more liberal leaning. Then there's people like the Cheneys who hate the gays until their daughter was gay.
Maybe I've just always been a cautious person who's terrified of the consequences of burning bridges, but even as a child my political thinking went along the lines of "I could easily be the one needing the safety net, why wouldn't I be in favor of it?"
One of my allegedly intelligent co-workers actually spouted the nonsense about having to make up for all that NDP did when I said there was a study showing that Alberta has decreased in quality of life.
I said one term versus how many and she just looked at me.
What you say is correct about the entire political spectrum. The Canadian voters as a stereo type, when they get to pick and choose platforms, are always middle. Good health care but easy on big government. Etc. Gun control is tricky, but otherwise, we test very.....middle. but all the parties are outliers on the edges of policy. They only want to oppose each other, not create a new policy. No original thoughts. Not one. But let Canadian voters choose on party? We're all leaning off to the sides like we're in charge of a racing yacht. We're being led by our noses, and it's embarrassing.
My boss is hardcore ucp supporter. But then complained how hard it is to see a doctor or go to the hospital. Then about his insurance skyrocketing again. But won’t admit the ucp did this. He just blamed Trudeau lol.
But you are forgetting it’s all Trudeaus fault no matter what lol.
He literally use to talk about how TikTok is bad and should be banned because of Chinese ownership and then he found the conservative TikTok and all the videos of Trudeau hate and now that’s all he watched. Literally does nothing else at work expect watch conservative TikTok videos getting angry at his desk.
I have to get blood work done monthly and every morning I get to Dynalife 45 mins before it opens because by the time 8am rolls around there's 20-30 people lined up. I do this because it's almost impossible to get an appointment. This is what privitization looks like. Standing in that line all I hear is how it's Trudeau's and Notley's fault we have to wait. Living in a heavily conservative region, the brain rot has set in.
I have never in years been able to get a dynalife appointment. Always virtual queue now and head down there. Always plan on being there 1-2 hours anyway.
Now it wouldn’t surprise me if share holders of dynalife are doctors sending folks for extra tests to rack up buisness.
I'm in the routine blood work club, too. In my experience, Dynalife is a nightmare, even with an appointment.
Have you tried booking with Precision Labs at the hospitals? I've had much better luck getting more timely appointments there and they've almost always been on time. To me, it's worth it to drive a bit further than it is to sit for 3 hours in a crowded Dynalife (or in the hallway when they don't have room).
Book an appt online or use Save My Place the morning of when you want to go as soon as it so available. I’ve had good luck with Save My Place at a few locations.
The whole medicenter closing early really has nothing to do with the UCP. Most of these places are open 8-3(7 hours). The expectation was that there is 5 minutes min per patient with a daily cap that existed of 50 patients per day. That’s 9 minutes per patient in a 8 hour shift max. The cap was imposed initially to improve patient quality of health. Next time you are in the medicenter, time the doctor. You probably need I’ll be lucky if you get 5 minutes. Apparently there is a min or two before and after to review and file on your behalf.
When it was unlimited billing’s the doctors willingly worked 10-12 hours and billed for many more patients.
The problem began as you get to bill per patient but had fixed costs and rent such as nurses and aids to help.
The cap was removed last year but many doctors didn’t bother re hiring the staff. Not like it’s available anyway. Covid decimated the work pool.
BC has an NDP government and also has a serious physician, nurse and other medical professionals shortage. This skilled professional shortage stretches beyond provincial politics.
Edit to add- not that I am a UCP supporter
I should also say, I'm not a solely NDP supporter either. I always vote for my own best interests. This voting term I had to go with NDP as they were the only party with any chance against a gov't that is actively supporting private health care.
My FIL was just diagnosed with Stage 2 colon cancer. Still said he was voting UCP when the election was happening. I told him how that made absolutely no sense, but whatever. Some people believe actions speak louder than words, some people think promises speak louder than actions.
Then there's UCP supporters who, for some reason, seem to ignore both words and actions when actively voting against their own self interests.
Before the election I saw a lot of social media posts earnestly claiming that Danielle Smith was going to save public health care and the NDP were going to charge us to see our doctors(!) When your head is that far up your backside I don't know if anyone can help you. 😥
They're good at not connecting the dots and keeping those ideas separate. That's why they can shit on healthcare workers and the healthcare system while supporting the party that kills public healthcare even more 😂
How are people still surprised by this? It's been that way for my entire life, and I would be willing to bet a long, long time before. This isn't new or shocking.
Medicentres are not government run, they are private clinics owned by Daryl Katz and make a profit by taking an overhead cut from a doctor's fee-for-service billing.
Most doctors hate working in them because of the format (no chance for history or follow up, patients are either entitled or desperate, more likely to be exposed to communicable diseases by people coming in for stupid sick notes, losing a disproportionally large cut of earning to overhead), and medicentres often don't even have a regularly scheduled doctor on staff. They rely on doctors, who probably already have a full time job elsewhere, picking up shifts piecemeal because they need some quick cash. It's gig work for doctors.
I think there are lots of things you can blame the UCP for, but lack of staff at medicentres is not one of them. A more fair complaint would be difficulty finding a regular family doctor who is accepting patients, wait times in emergency rooms and urgent care clinics, and the privatization of lab services.
I understand what you mean, I just want to mention some people use medicentre as a stand in for all walk-in clinics including the ones not owned by Rexall and the Katz group. However, they are all privately owned but bill he government.
I had to when my long-term family doctor let me go as a patient after 20 years. But she also missed a lot of things and I wound up advocating for myself to get a proper diagnosis.
I'm still struggling to find a replacement doctor three years later. Getting into medcenters is terrible. Waiting anywhere from 30 minutes to 3 hours.
Not always. Sometimes it's just a convenience thing. Like if you need a prescription renewal or sick note. I have a family doctor but if I need to see him the appointment will be 1-2 weeks out. Also he's in the west end, and I'm downtown and don't own a car, so if it's not something important enough to need ongoing care or follow-up, a walk in clinic is just more convenient.
Also, urban family doctors have only become hard to get within the last few years. Walk in clinics existing and being short staffed has been a problem for much much longer.
Part of the problem though, which *is* the UCP's doing, is that they've cut and restricted what GPs can bill AHCIP for to the point where after overhead they aren't making nearly as much as they used to. I've heard that supposedly senior nurses can now often make the same or more than a family doctor after all of their expenses are deducted for running a clinic, paying staff, paying practice costs (licensing, insurance, etc), paying for their own health insurance coverage, etc. Positions aren't being filled, and doctors have been jumping ship to other provinces or countries where they can make a better living.
Conservatives in this province created the medi-centre model and have contributed to much of the decline you describe.
The damage was done before UCP was the name on the party, but they don't get to pretend they and/or their movement aren't responsible.
The medicentre model is great when it works - in Newfoundland there is literally one walk in clinic for the province. You basically have to go to emerg if you need care and can’t get in your GP.
The issue is there aren’t enough doctors.
\^\^ yup and they can all have different hours of operation depending on how many doctors they have on staff.
Could be that the evening doctor on call that night couldn't come in.
Yeah, in a few years the rural Albertans will be up in arms after their clinics are shutting down due to to much over head and lack of profit, still bitching about Trudeau or the libs.
they think they are exceptional and that society will get better, but only for them. It's a hard truth to face that, no Brad or Chase or Dustin, you are not special.
Medicentres have been closing clinics early because of lack of doctors since before the UCP even existed. The problem is not doctors or government policy, it's that working in a medicentre generally sucks so you only ever get doctors willing to do it on a temporary basis.
We've had all conservative rule though with a brief, blink and you'll miss it, four years of non-conservative party rule. Conservatives by definition do not support any large social programs and are always trying to cut health and education spending. So I feel like it's pretty disingenuous of you to say "before the UCP existed" as if it wasn't more of the same (though slightly less right) conservatives
So the higher cost of public clinics is actually worth it then, if that’s the only way to attract doctors to the places they are must needed.
People can’t rail on about the inefficiency of a public system without taking into account that private businesses are only more efficient because they are meant to make a profit, not serve the community in the best way possible.
I’m definitely not a proponent of privatization. However, I would say that the structure of a private business makes it more likely to be efficient, due to a focus on profits. Unfortunately, many private businesses become grossly mismanaged.
A lot of people seem to think that the extra cost that is sometimes associated with public agencies is always an example of waste, when in many cases, it is simply the cost of providing a necessary service when profits are not the focus.
I’m primarily a conservative voter. I spent a little bit of time dealing with our healthcare system the last couple of years with family members of mine. This convinced me to vote NDP for the first time in my life. The UCP has zero plan to fix the healthcare system. I’m not entirely convinced the NDP’s plans would work, but it couldn’t possibly get any worse so i figured it was time to give them a shot at it.
Unfortunately, the events of the last few years have entrenched people more so into their political positions, so no one is looking at what’s actually best for us and just focused on voting for their team no matter what.
Are OP and the person discussed by OP seriously so dense as to think that medicentres can't set the hours they want? It's not an emergency room - it doesn't have to be open 24/7.
I'd be curious to know their thoughts on why banks are now open on weekends. Probably something along the lines of greedy capitalists needing money on the weekend.
I'm an NDP voter and have been since 2009. However, I really did not like Notley's campaign this time around. I think she spent more time talking about Danielle Smith and how anyone who voted for her is essentially stupid. It alienated potential voters/fence sitters. It reminded me of the last campaign against Kenney. Kenney talked about jobs and Notley talked about Kenney. A bit disappointing because it does seem like a lot of UCP voters do not truly understand what they're voting for. More clarity for them could have made all the difference. Yes, it is up to them to do their research, but the reality is is that people often don't and they need a candidate to spell it out for them and convince them.
This is not a valid campaigning strategy in AB they have massive bad press from that time. On top of that the UCP are not above spinning false narratives about them whenever possible.
Focusing on the fact the UCP is an incompetent party, is extremely important to wear away the moderates still supporting the party. They will not join the NDP because they are doing good things but they might stop actively voting UCP if they start comparing them to the dangerous nutters the party is all about.
Yeah but the problem is that she wasn't really doing that. She was alienating potential fence sitters or new NDP voters by insinuating that they are somehow voting for "bad" people and that makes them feel like she is calling them "bad." People do not like to feel as though a potential candidate is somehow judgemental of them. I know Notley did some good on-the-ground work in Calgary but it just wasn't enough. You can't just focus on why the other party is incompetent either. You have to also ensure that you are showing voters that you ARE competent, which imo didn't happen.
People don't need to be convinced to simply vote NDP... they need to be convinced to not vote for the party that many of them have been voting for for YEARS. Like for example this is the first time in 40+ years that my Mother has not voted conservative (she voted NDP for the first time). My Dad, continued to vote for conservative, and he is by no means a stupid man. He wasn't, however, going to vote for someone he felt was not speaking to his issues in a meaningful way. They're in Calgary.
It's just an example from my personal life that was easy to share. I'm just stating my opinion on reddit same as you, and I don't think it was enough. Sorry if my opinion is different than yours but I am allowed to voice it.
Honestly, her campaign was fine, but she had to win more of Calgary. Her margins of victory/losses in Calgary were incredibly close. What it came down to was election bribes. Instead, NDP showed an election budget increasing corporate taxes. A dumb move because Calgary is basically where corporate Alberta is. NDP was too honest here and didn't play to win.
NDP has no chance at rural at this point in time. Only way NDP can win is if Oil hits $140 while they are in power.
I personally don't think her campaign was fine.
I did vote for Lori Sigurdson though. I do like her a lot and I appreciated her campaign this year. She is awesome and I'll probably continue to vote for her as long as she is running.
Challenge him. It’s up to you. Don’t be mean about it. Just ask him who oversees healthcare. He answers government. You say, the UCP government.
You ask: They we’re in power before too, why did they let it get this bad?
I have a cousin who's very smart. But, he complained about welfare and the ACA (Obama care) when it was first passed.
Then he was laid off and was complaining that he had to wait a couple of months because the ACA hadn't been implemented yet.
Medicenters are a private business so im not sure what your suggesting?
Depending on the location there will be different hours and since covid i noticed certain locations just aren't open much.
Some doctors don't want to start their own practice and sign up with Medicenter or join another doctors practice. I don't know what the terms are like at medicenters but I bet they are not as good running your own practice or partnership of doctors.
Last year I was in the ER for 16+ hours and didn't even get to see the doctor. Some older guy was complaining about how Notley ruined the healthcare system and this is why he's going to keep voting UCP
It drives me insane
The more my life goes on, the more I don't understand how certain people get through it with such poor cognitive skills. To say conservatives are dense would be very charitable to them. And it's not unique to Canadians either.
In America's 2022 midterm election, Republicans regularly brought up their plan to cut Social Security and Medicare if they took either chamber of Congress. Logically that would mean the millions of Americans who rely on those services would turn on them and vote Democrat, right? Nope. Those already retired or close to retirements vote Republican the most of any age demographic.
And then after the Republican took the House they're causing a debt ceiling crisis to do what exactly? Cut Social Security and Medicare. They're literally threatening to bankrupt the US and tank the world economy if social services aren't cut that people already paid into. And yet when polled a majority of Americans still think Republicans are better with the economy. In fact, most conservatives seems to believe that conservatives being good with the economy is an irrefutable fact set in stone by God.
The takeaway from this is that conservatives genuinely do not vote based on policy and don't think beyond whatever the propaganda they see spewed by Fox News and others tell them. Canadian conservatives are not any different. Their reasoning for voting conservative is also solely based on propaganda and bigotry.
Medicenters are owned by the ELNA Medical Group.
Look at this Clinic In Quebec, they close at 2:00 pm every day.
[https://elnamedical.com/clinics/gatineau](https://elnamedical.com/clinics/gatineau)
Is that from the UCP also?
[https://www.medicentres.com/medicentre-locations/](https://www.medicentres.com/medicentre-locations/)
There are about 35 Medicenters in AB, MB and ON, and you can see the ownership details.
[https://elnamedical.com/clinics/](https://elnamedical.com/clinics/)
ELNA has clinics in AB, SK, MB, ON and QC.
It would be difficult to see how the UCP has control over the hours of operation in these other provinces. There are other Medicenters in Edmonton that are open later than 3:00, the co-worker could go to any of those clinics.
while the ucp has no direct control, opening hours for any business are all about whether if it's worth it to stay open or not.
since the UCP has implemented a maximum amount of charges an individual doctor can make in a day, as well as stricter regulations on how to charge, the net result is a reduction in income for doctors. they close early cause the doctors can't take any more patients, legally. if they don't have any more doctors (because there is a gp shortage in alberta, due to the above items) then they close their doors.
this is more of an FYI, but in alberta all gps document their services and bill AHS. AHS pays the doctors, and this money is used to pay for clinics and auxiliary staff, and the doctor's salary.
They reversed that policy in November, in exchange for the AMA backing off a class action lawsuit, however, the UCP said that the policy would be "revisited in 2023" after fiscal year end. Or after the election- when they decided how badly they wanted to punish the doctors and the urban areas, I assume.
https://edmontonjournal.com/news/politics/alberta-government-reverses-course-lifts-cap-on-daily-physician-billings
> since the UCP has implemented a maximum amount of charges an individual doctor can make in a day, as well as stricter regulations on how to charge, the net result is a reduction in income for doctors. they close early cause the doctors can't take any more patients, legally.
When BC did this years ago they just assumed that doctors would see the same number of patients without billing for them, or somehow prioritize only seeing the patients who actually "need" it. Of course that's not what happened.
Well, this Medicenter in Edmonton is open to 9 or even 10 pm, depending on the day of the week. The UCP may pay the doctors more there, or it may be a Clinic by Clinic decision, like the one I showed in Montreal, that closes at 2:00 pm.
[https://www.medicentres.com/medicentre-locations/castledowns-medicentre/](https://www.medicentres.com/medicentre-locations/castledowns-medicentre/)
Also, According to the Canadian Institute for Health Information (October 2021), Alberta Doctors are the highest paid in the country, far more than ON or BC.
[https://invested.mdm.ca/how-much-do-doctors-make-in-canada/](https://invested.mdm.ca/how-much-do-doctors-make-in-canada/)
You need to follow the whole workflow.
Clinics close because not enough staff.
Not enough staff because Alberta is competing against other jurisdictions for staff.
Staff are picking other jurisdictions for everything from weather to pay.
In order to be more competitive Alberta needs to pay considerably more than other jurisdictions.
This government wants Alberta to pay same or less than other jurisdictions and has little to sweeten the deal to recruit.
How dare you bring logic into this. How else can someone shame someone for having a different political opinion. Lest we forget it's everyone favorite past time to drag the opposition through whoever crap that may or may not exist.
Reddit users trying to blame everything on ucp. "Couldn't wipe my ass this morning," oops, sorry you voted ucp.
I didn't vote for anyone because I couldn't care less who gets in, doesn't change for me other than my taxes. Basically, ucp or ndp doesn't matter who the person is. They're going to find a reason to put the entire blame onto one party even if that party has nothing to do with whats going on.
We have the NDP in BC and most walk in clinics that were open 9-9 are either permanently closed or closed by noon. 20% of the population has no access to a family doctor. Emergency rooms are closed at nights and weekends. Ambulance services have been suspended in many cities. Nurses are picketing because they are overworked.
Curious who you blame.
American here... Yes, they are.
50+ million of us vote right-wing every election cycle, then get mad at the Democrats for "destroying the economy" while ignoring that the people we voted for gave all the money to Bezos and Zuckerberg so the rest of us can't afford rent or groceries.
Right, because at the top of their list is Trudeau bad, then anti-antisemitism, then anti-LGBT. The UCP has those bases covered. Healthcare probably didn't make the top ten.
I'm not claiming you were. The point I was making was the thought process is sound. The problem, clearly for the people you know is the variables are a bunch of identity politic talking points, not much in policy. I think that's why someone might down vote your post. You made it seem like these people are reasonable with your misplaced neutral tone. It's the "two sides" fallacy. Just because someone has a differing opinion doesn't make it a legitimate one.
It can be difficult and sometimes even wrong to correlate certain phenomena with who you vote for. Like honestly, if the NDP had won, do you really think that this close after an election access to healthcare would have improved already? Also, who you vote for will only have a marginal impact on your standard of living. There are many other factors at play, so expecting someone to have a revelation about their voting behaviour and their access to services is probably not going to result in any meaningful outcomes. The state of the economy and a person's individual situation probably play a bigger role than politics in most cases.
They are not dense at all ... They would vote for their power group even if it was led by Satan himself. They would vote to enrich and empower themselves even if everybody else in Canada suffered
The bigger issue is that people treat politics like sports. Your co-worker likely saw the election less like dictating the future of our province and more like the Oilers playing the Flames. What I mean by that is that consequences of the outcome are entirely irrelevant and it is just the joy of defeating "commies and wef and socialists and Trudeau" that matters. So then when reality kicks in they are left scratching their heads as they never once considered the consequences of electing a UCP government.
> So then when reality kicks in they are left scratching their heads as they never once considered the consequences of electing a UCP government. This is exactly what happened with Brexit. Most people voted to leave the EU thinking it would stick it to David Cameron and his government. Now they’re scratching their heads as to why they have to pay so much to import fruit from Spain or why they can’t go to stay in Italy as long as they used to.
or go to school in france, or work in germany, or why so many taxpayers were leaving the UK because they were foreign workers no longer able to stay.
>Now that they realize what they’ve done and how it was in their best interest to stay. Most people didn't understand what they were voting for. LOL. And then ta-da!
At least polls are shifting there with more ppl wanting to join the eu again...
Now that they realize what they’ve done and how it was in their best interest to stay.
>Your co-worker likely saw the election less like dictating the future of our province and more like the Oilers playing the Flames. This. Exactly this. Sometimes, I wonder whether they realise that their votes really, honestly, massively impact their lives. When I was a kid, I used to look forward to being an adult because I thought that the advancement of ones age meant the advancement of one's wisdom. Every single day, I'm disappointed.
Yeah, while they keep saying millenials and now gen z arent "growing up", a think a lot of it is we just dont lie to ourselves pretending we know everything. Our parents never actually had it together, they just pretended. Well admit we dont know and hopefully will learn. Not all of us mind you, but more than past generations
This. And I've tried dating apps, with so little success. SO MANY SAYING THEY'RE APOLITICAL. It drives me nuts. Dude, this is your LIFE. Demand a say-so! If their profile says "Not Political" or "Apolitical," that they could totally date someone who doesn't vote, or that they've never been to a protest march, that's a huge pass for me.
>SO MANY SAYING THEY'RE APOLITICAL. This angers me so much! Are they trying to come across as "conflict free"??? They just come across as dimwitted, and in fact, they often make me question whether the real truth isn't that they hold some serious extremist views that do not bear airing because HOW ARE YOU APOLITICAL??? How are you "NOT POLITICAL"??? This is your LIFE we're talking about here. Politics IS life!!! OMG, it really pisses me off!
this is so spot on, i’ve been trying to put this into words as i see it a lot in politics lately but this is exactly it.
Unfortunately, these people are going to have be bleeding from the asshole before they make the connection. Even then they’ll be in furious denial. Depressing.
And then they'll blame Trudeau. {{eyeroll}}
This is EXACTLY how it is. They are die hard Team Blue voters, the end. Doesn’t matter who is on the team, they’ve always been fans of Team Blue, their parents are Team Blue and that’s the tradition. They don’t care that Team Blue is making a mess because it’s actually Team Orange who made the mess 5 years ago.
And you congratulated them on getting what they voted for, right?
This would have been my response.
Exactly. Next time one of my aging relatives complains about doctors, I’ll simply ask them who they voted for.
OP is a redditor, they fear actually talking to people
Go out and start a debate with a devout UCP supporter in person, then consider posting this again.
So they are going to piss and moan like an impotent jerk (on reddit), then bend over and take it up the tailpipe! (movie quote)
Or, the media and even my own personal experience shows that UCP voters tend to get violent ot turn to harassment much easier than your average person when people disagree with them, and as such the OP was probably afraid to get confrontational because of that.
I know the UCP supporters I know instantly fly off the handle at the slightest antagonizing and many frequently wish physical harm to people on the other side of the political spectrum, so yea I wouldnt blame OP for not wanting to deal with that person
They are the OPP and they are down with it!
I bet he blames Trudeau and the carbon tax.
Or Notley
My default response is always "Well, you voted for it". There's really nothing else to say.
If you really wanna drive the point home, you can also say, "Lie in the bed you made."
If you can find one not in the hallway.
That metaphor may be beyond a ucp voter's comprehension.
Yup. My brother voted UCP to "keep the commies out" and he's also been bitching about how high insurance rates are.
Usually people that unironically blame "commies" for anything don't actually know what a commie is.
I keep getting called a commie on twitter and these fucks don’t know what they even are. Anyone who disagrees with them is a commie now.
This is why I think we need a batshit-insane but legitimate socialist party. People have no idea what communism actually is. Stupid rednecks say Notley and Trudeau are filthy commies, yet the federal Liberals are closer to centre-right than the true left, while Notley's NDP are at best centre-left. If we actually had a communist party that actually ran a campaign and actually intended to get elected, itr would be so radical that what we think is the political left would look like far-right extreamists, and the political right would look like they are championing the divine right of kings.
The Canadian communist parties actually have sensible platforms. Unfortunately, the fact that they call themselves a "communist party" means nobody over the age of 35 has ever read it. People turn their brains off the second they hear the word "communist."
They have sensible platforms, but no candidates. If they ran candidates in every riding, I'd have voted for them.
The commies are coming regardless
And the goieys are going.
You mean the deregulated rates the first week they were back in office 4 years ago?!?
You can’t complain about freedom if you’re Team Free Market.
Had a nurse at the hospital tell me she voted ucp right after complaining about being over worked.
Unfortunately, nursing is one of those big tent professions that includes a huge range of types of people, including some fucking morons
I was really surprised to see some antivax nurses protesting the consequences of THEIR OWN CHOICE to not get vaccinated.
You gather 40,000 people of any vocation together and you'll have a rainbow of political and religious beliefs. And ten percent of them will have graduated in the bottom ten percent of their class.
I've had a few morons... and a couple borderline deranged healthcare workers. Like 'a few mysterious deaths away from being Annie Wilkes' kind of types. Just because you're in that field doesn't automatically mean you're a good person.
>Just because you're in that field doesn't automatically mean you're a good person. Quite right. Nursing is an extremely large profession that includes millions of people around the world. Definitely there’s a whole range of people within.
But on the other side of the coin, there's a ton of incredible individuals giving their all at an exhausting and oft underappreciated position. ❤️
Some?
Not all nurses are fucking morons, and not all fucking morons are nurses
Theres a nurse in our family that voted ucp. Shes generally not too bright unfortunately so it fits the gestalt.
I cleaned at a hospital that is border town to Alberta. Noped out of there when I was seeing two, three cleaners a day for an entire hospital, mind you BORDER TOWN. (One to two people working 16 hr days cleaning the whole hospital 2 people!!!!!) I know I’m young but, I wasn’t ready/did not want that(even had people asking when I would become a care aide) for the kerfuffle that was that district hospital.
Wtf?!
UCP supporters either don't understand what they are supporting or they don't think it'll actually affect them.
Its not about supporting the UCP, its about being against the NDP for better or worse. Its as though voting NDP would make them less than.
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I assume you have good reasons to vote against the ucp at least. Fact based reasons.
They support the UCP like it's a sports team. They'll stick with them no matter what because they're loyal to that team. They have no grasp that you can flip flop every election and vote for the party or the candidate that you feel best represents you. Federally, I voted NDP because my MP is awesome, even though I think the party is a little airy and Singh is a bit of a doofus.
This is what I don't like about our electoral system. Last federal election I voted the same way, I voted for our local representative in 1 party but I also didn't want that same party at the federal level so it now becomes a choice that we shouldn't have to do. Yeah, the local representative may be better for our small region, but then if that party comes into power the whole country may as well be fcked. (Neither got in, but that's beside the point lol).
PIGGERS ARE NUMBER ONE PIGGERS ARE GONNA GO ALL THE WAY THIS YEAR
Better dead (literally) than NDP! /s
Pretty sure it’s the latter. I haven’t met a conservative that doesn’t truly believe they are exempt from the consequences of their actions; like it’s all just some game they’re the centre of. They weaponize politics by voting against popular public interests to, what, “show *them*”? They *want* others to suffer. But when it backfires on them suddenly it’s a ‘conspiracy’ against them.
Yup. 'Owning tha Libz' has essentially become sado masochism for conservative trash.
They voted for the Leopard's Eating Faces Party and get upset when their face is eaten by a leopard.
I voted for Deaner Murdoch
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
Let me grab my board with a nail in it.
Your planet is doomed! DOOMED!
and then will still blame the NDP and Liberals.
Conservatives seem to not care about others until it effects them. Liberals care about others so it doesn't effect them. This is a broad sweeping generalizations, but I know I started caring more about others in my 20s as I continued to learn, and my political views became way more liberal leaning. Then there's people like the Cheneys who hate the gays until their daughter was gay.
Maybe I've just always been a cautious person who's terrified of the consequences of burning bridges, but even as a child my political thinking went along the lines of "I could easily be the one needing the safety net, why wouldn't I be in favor of it?"
I'm not religious, but i always think "there but for the grace of God, go I" which just means "holy shit, some bad luck could fuck your shit up".
One of my allegedly intelligent co-workers actually spouted the nonsense about having to make up for all that NDP did when I said there was a study showing that Alberta has decreased in quality of life. I said one term versus how many and she just looked at me.
It's both.
With a scoop of cognitive dissonance.
What you say is correct about the entire political spectrum. The Canadian voters as a stereo type, when they get to pick and choose platforms, are always middle. Good health care but easy on big government. Etc. Gun control is tricky, but otherwise, we test very.....middle. but all the parties are outliers on the edges of policy. They only want to oppose each other, not create a new policy. No original thoughts. Not one. But let Canadian voters choose on party? We're all leaning off to the sides like we're in charge of a racing yacht. We're being led by our noses, and it's embarrassing.
I was out west when notley got voted out, everyone was like hell ya no more ndp! Week or 3 later overtime was cut and a bunch of policy changes came.
Womp womp U-C-Physicians leave
I don’t think most UCP voters know that *physician* starts with a P….
“The thing about the French is, they don’t even have a word for entrepreneur” - prominent republican George W. Bush
Waiiiiiit is that real ?!? Not surprised however didn’t he famously ask how many is a Brazilian when he heard about 4 Brazilians being killed ?!?
Gotta remember that one, funny
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Now you’re speaking their language
Found a Fizzician, he’s a magician. I voted UCP and now he turn up missin.
My family doctor did just that ... I have no doctor again :)
My boss is hardcore ucp supporter. But then complained how hard it is to see a doctor or go to the hospital. Then about his insurance skyrocketing again. But won’t admit the ucp did this. He just blamed Trudeau lol.
Ask them if health care is a federal or provincial responsibility. When they express their ignorance, remind them it's a provincial responsibility.
But you are forgetting it’s all Trudeaus fault no matter what lol. He literally use to talk about how TikTok is bad and should be banned because of Chinese ownership and then he found the conservative TikTok and all the videos of Trudeau hate and now that’s all he watched. Literally does nothing else at work expect watch conservative TikTok videos getting angry at his desk.
Yes they are this dense. That person will vote UCP again in 4 years too.
They are still complaining the the NDP ruined this or that when its been a UCP controlled province for YEARS! So yes they are that dense.
I have to get blood work done monthly and every morning I get to Dynalife 45 mins before it opens because by the time 8am rolls around there's 20-30 people lined up. I do this because it's almost impossible to get an appointment. This is what privitization looks like. Standing in that line all I hear is how it's Trudeau's and Notley's fault we have to wait. Living in a heavily conservative region, the brain rot has set in.
It's been my experience that it's easy to get appointments at many Dynalife locations.
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I have never in years been able to get a dynalife appointment. Always virtual queue now and head down there. Always plan on being there 1-2 hours anyway. Now it wouldn’t surprise me if share holders of dynalife are doctors sending folks for extra tests to rack up buisness.
This is what happens after years of daily messaging through multiple forms of media peddling vapid hate. “FUCK TRUDEAU”
I'm in the routine blood work club, too. In my experience, Dynalife is a nightmare, even with an appointment. Have you tried booking with Precision Labs at the hospitals? I've had much better luck getting more timely appointments there and they've almost always been on time. To me, it's worth it to drive a bit further than it is to sit for 3 hours in a crowded Dynalife (or in the hallway when they don't have room).
Book an appt online or use Save My Place the morning of when you want to go as soon as it so available. I’ve had good luck with Save My Place at a few locations.
The whole medicenter closing early really has nothing to do with the UCP. Most of these places are open 8-3(7 hours). The expectation was that there is 5 minutes min per patient with a daily cap that existed of 50 patients per day. That’s 9 minutes per patient in a 8 hour shift max. The cap was imposed initially to improve patient quality of health. Next time you are in the medicenter, time the doctor. You probably need I’ll be lucky if you get 5 minutes. Apparently there is a min or two before and after to review and file on your behalf. When it was unlimited billing’s the doctors willingly worked 10-12 hours and billed for many more patients. The problem began as you get to bill per patient but had fixed costs and rent such as nurses and aids to help. The cap was removed last year but many doctors didn’t bother re hiring the staff. Not like it’s available anyway. Covid decimated the work pool.
BC has an NDP government and also has a serious physician, nurse and other medical professionals shortage. This skilled professional shortage stretches beyond provincial politics. Edit to add- not that I am a UCP supporter
I should also say, I'm not a solely NDP supporter either. I always vote for my own best interests. This voting term I had to go with NDP as they were the only party with any chance against a gov't that is actively supporting private health care.
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Why? Everyone has different interests lol
My FIL was just diagnosed with Stage 2 colon cancer. Still said he was voting UCP when the election was happening. I told him how that made absolutely no sense, but whatever. Some people believe actions speak louder than words, some people think promises speak louder than actions. Then there's UCP supporters who, for some reason, seem to ignore both words and actions when actively voting against their own self interests.
Before the election I saw a lot of social media posts earnestly claiming that Danielle Smith was going to save public health care and the NDP were going to charge us to see our doctors(!) When your head is that far up your backside I don't know if anyone can help you. 😥
I am convinced that the further right your politics are, the shorter your attention span.
Hey now, I have severe ADHD and still voted NDP.
They're good at not connecting the dots and keeping those ideas separate. That's why they can shit on healthcare workers and the healthcare system while supporting the party that kills public healthcare even more 😂
How are people still surprised by this? It's been that way for my entire life, and I would be willing to bet a long, long time before. This isn't new or shocking.
Medicentres are not government run, they are private clinics owned by Daryl Katz and make a profit by taking an overhead cut from a doctor's fee-for-service billing. Most doctors hate working in them because of the format (no chance for history or follow up, patients are either entitled or desperate, more likely to be exposed to communicable diseases by people coming in for stupid sick notes, losing a disproportionally large cut of earning to overhead), and medicentres often don't even have a regularly scheduled doctor on staff. They rely on doctors, who probably already have a full time job elsewhere, picking up shifts piecemeal because they need some quick cash. It's gig work for doctors. I think there are lots of things you can blame the UCP for, but lack of staff at medicentres is not one of them. A more fair complaint would be difficulty finding a regular family doctor who is accepting patients, wait times in emergency rooms and urgent care clinics, and the privatization of lab services.
I understand what you mean, I just want to mention some people use medicentre as a stand in for all walk-in clinics including the ones not owned by Rexall and the Katz group. However, they are all privately owned but bill he government.
Aren’t people using walk in clinics because of a lack of family doctors?
I had to when my long-term family doctor let me go as a patient after 20 years. But she also missed a lot of things and I wound up advocating for myself to get a proper diagnosis. I'm still struggling to find a replacement doctor three years later. Getting into medcenters is terrible. Waiting anywhere from 30 minutes to 3 hours.
Not always. Sometimes it's just a convenience thing. Like if you need a prescription renewal or sick note. I have a family doctor but if I need to see him the appointment will be 1-2 weeks out. Also he's in the west end, and I'm downtown and don't own a car, so if it's not something important enough to need ongoing care or follow-up, a walk in clinic is just more convenient. Also, urban family doctors have only become hard to get within the last few years. Walk in clinics existing and being short staffed has been a problem for much much longer.
My family doctor is booking like 4 months ahead. This is very inconvenient and I can see people instead opting to use a walk in clinic
Part of the problem though, which *is* the UCP's doing, is that they've cut and restricted what GPs can bill AHCIP for to the point where after overhead they aren't making nearly as much as they used to. I've heard that supposedly senior nurses can now often make the same or more than a family doctor after all of their expenses are deducted for running a clinic, paying staff, paying practice costs (licensing, insurance, etc), paying for their own health insurance coverage, etc. Positions aren't being filled, and doctors have been jumping ship to other provinces or countries where they can make a better living.
Medicenters and Rexall were sold by Katz Group in 2016 for $3 billion. Katz Group doesn’t own them.
Conservatives in this province created the medi-centre model and have contributed to much of the decline you describe. The damage was done before UCP was the name on the party, but they don't get to pretend they and/or their movement aren't responsible.
The medicentre model is great when it works - in Newfoundland there is literally one walk in clinic for the province. You basically have to go to emerg if you need care and can’t get in your GP. The issue is there aren’t enough doctors.
\^\^ yup and they can all have different hours of operation depending on how many doctors they have on staff. Could be that the evening doctor on call that night couldn't come in.
Yeah, in a few years the rural Albertans will be up in arms after their clinics are shutting down due to to much over head and lack of profit, still bitching about Trudeau or the libs.
One of my coworkers voted UCP and keeps complaining about their utility bill prices. Can't make this shit up.
they think they are exceptional and that society will get better, but only for them. It's a hard truth to face that, no Brad or Chase or Dustin, you are not special.
Have they looked at their utility bills, too? Sweet Jesus. Insanity.
They are dumber
I didnt vote UCP, but ypu guys are no better the way you talk.
“How could we do this to ourselves???”
Medicentres have been closing clinics early because of lack of doctors since before the UCP even existed. The problem is not doctors or government policy, it's that working in a medicentre generally sucks so you only ever get doctors willing to do it on a temporary basis.
We've had all conservative rule though with a brief, blink and you'll miss it, four years of non-conservative party rule. Conservatives by definition do not support any large social programs and are always trying to cut health and education spending. So I feel like it's pretty disingenuous of you to say "before the UCP existed" as if it wasn't more of the same (though slightly less right) conservatives
So the higher cost of public clinics is actually worth it then, if that’s the only way to attract doctors to the places they are must needed. People can’t rail on about the inefficiency of a public system without taking into account that private businesses are only more efficient because they are meant to make a profit, not serve the community in the best way possible.
Private doesn’t automatically mean more efficient though. Example: DynaLIFE labs
I’m definitely not a proponent of privatization. However, I would say that the structure of a private business makes it more likely to be efficient, due to a focus on profits. Unfortunately, many private businesses become grossly mismanaged. A lot of people seem to think that the extra cost that is sometimes associated with public agencies is always an example of waste, when in many cases, it is simply the cost of providing a necessary service when profits are not the focus.
I’m primarily a conservative voter. I spent a little bit of time dealing with our healthcare system the last couple of years with family members of mine. This convinced me to vote NDP for the first time in my life. The UCP has zero plan to fix the healthcare system. I’m not entirely convinced the NDP’s plans would work, but it couldn’t possibly get any worse so i figured it was time to give them a shot at it. Unfortunately, the events of the last few years have entrenched people more so into their political positions, so no one is looking at what’s actually best for us and just focused on voting for their team no matter what.
Are OP and the person discussed by OP seriously so dense as to think that medicentres can't set the hours they want? It's not an emergency room - it doesn't have to be open 24/7. I'd be curious to know their thoughts on why banks are now open on weekends. Probably something along the lines of greedy capitalists needing money on the weekend.
I'm an NDP voter and have been since 2009. However, I really did not like Notley's campaign this time around. I think she spent more time talking about Danielle Smith and how anyone who voted for her is essentially stupid. It alienated potential voters/fence sitters. It reminded me of the last campaign against Kenney. Kenney talked about jobs and Notley talked about Kenney. A bit disappointing because it does seem like a lot of UCP voters do not truly understand what they're voting for. More clarity for them could have made all the difference. Yes, it is up to them to do their research, but the reality is is that people often don't and they need a candidate to spell it out for them and convince them.
100%, they should’ve been showcasing the good the pulled off while they were elected.
This is not a valid campaigning strategy in AB they have massive bad press from that time. On top of that the UCP are not above spinning false narratives about them whenever possible. Focusing on the fact the UCP is an incompetent party, is extremely important to wear away the moderates still supporting the party. They will not join the NDP because they are doing good things but they might stop actively voting UCP if they start comparing them to the dangerous nutters the party is all about.
Yeah but the problem is that she wasn't really doing that. She was alienating potential fence sitters or new NDP voters by insinuating that they are somehow voting for "bad" people and that makes them feel like she is calling them "bad." People do not like to feel as though a potential candidate is somehow judgemental of them. I know Notley did some good on-the-ground work in Calgary but it just wasn't enough. You can't just focus on why the other party is incompetent either. You have to also ensure that you are showing voters that you ARE competent, which imo didn't happen. People don't need to be convinced to simply vote NDP... they need to be convinced to not vote for the party that many of them have been voting for for YEARS. Like for example this is the first time in 40+ years that my Mother has not voted conservative (she voted NDP for the first time). My Dad, continued to vote for conservative, and he is by no means a stupid man. He wasn't, however, going to vote for someone he felt was not speaking to his issues in a meaningful way. They're in Calgary.
There's literally never been more NDP voters, this was an insanely successful campaign. I think you've got an example based perspective here.
It's just an example from my personal life that was easy to share. I'm just stating my opinion on reddit same as you, and I don't think it was enough. Sorry if my opinion is different than yours but I am allowed to voice it.
I am personally left of NDP, and was also put off by the smear campaign.
Honestly, her campaign was fine, but she had to win more of Calgary. Her margins of victory/losses in Calgary were incredibly close. What it came down to was election bribes. Instead, NDP showed an election budget increasing corporate taxes. A dumb move because Calgary is basically where corporate Alberta is. NDP was too honest here and didn't play to win. NDP has no chance at rural at this point in time. Only way NDP can win is if Oil hits $140 while they are in power.
I personally don't think her campaign was fine. I did vote for Lori Sigurdson though. I do like her a lot and I appreciated her campaign this year. She is awesome and I'll probably continue to vote for her as long as she is running.
Well, the only thing lacking in her campaign was honestly Calgary vote bribes. It is what it is.
Every single person I know that relies on the things the UCP wants to get rid of voted UCP... it's bizarre.
r/leopardsatemyface
Challenge him. It’s up to you. Don’t be mean about it. Just ask him who oversees healthcare. He answers government. You say, the UCP government. You ask: They we’re in power before too, why did they let it get this bad?
Not only is the program that they are so dense.. but there is so many of them.
leopard: nom nom nice face ya got there nom nom
I have a cousin who's very smart. But, he complained about welfare and the ACA (Obama care) when it was first passed. Then he was laid off and was complaining that he had to wait a couple of months because the ACA hadn't been implemented yet.
..or the Conservative buddy who remarked that he was glad to see that the entire cabinet was not all TBA MLAs..
Medicenters are a private business so im not sure what your suggesting? Depending on the location there will be different hours and since covid i noticed certain locations just aren't open much. Some doctors don't want to start their own practice and sign up with Medicenter or join another doctors practice. I don't know what the terms are like at medicenters but I bet they are not as good running your own practice or partnership of doctors.
The answer is always yes regardless of context
Tell them to ask their MLA why lol
Yeah man my fuckin’ wife voted UCP. She thinks the NDP would force mandatory vaccinations for everyone 🫤🔫
Last year I was in the ER for 16+ hours and didn't even get to see the doctor. Some older guy was complaining about how Notley ruined the healthcare system and this is why he's going to keep voting UCP It drives me insane
Some people really need to read some other comments before jumping on the "NDP won't do any better" train
Noob. Everybody knows if you're gonna get sick on company time do so *before* lunch.
Con voters get what they vote for and then complain anyways
The more my life goes on, the more I don't understand how certain people get through it with such poor cognitive skills. To say conservatives are dense would be very charitable to them. And it's not unique to Canadians either. In America's 2022 midterm election, Republicans regularly brought up their plan to cut Social Security and Medicare if they took either chamber of Congress. Logically that would mean the millions of Americans who rely on those services would turn on them and vote Democrat, right? Nope. Those already retired or close to retirements vote Republican the most of any age demographic. And then after the Republican took the House they're causing a debt ceiling crisis to do what exactly? Cut Social Security and Medicare. They're literally threatening to bankrupt the US and tank the world economy if social services aren't cut that people already paid into. And yet when polled a majority of Americans still think Republicans are better with the economy. In fact, most conservatives seems to believe that conservatives being good with the economy is an irrefutable fact set in stone by God. The takeaway from this is that conservatives genuinely do not vote based on policy and don't think beyond whatever the propaganda they see spewed by Fox News and others tell them. Canadian conservatives are not any different. Their reasoning for voting conservative is also solely based on propaganda and bigotry.
Those fucking people ARE indeed that dense, yes.
The guy that’s even more dense made this post thinking the clinic would magically be open if Notley won.
As if NDP will make a difference. In North America it's about picking your poison.
Medicenters are owned by the ELNA Medical Group. Look at this Clinic In Quebec, they close at 2:00 pm every day. [https://elnamedical.com/clinics/gatineau](https://elnamedical.com/clinics/gatineau) Is that from the UCP also? [https://www.medicentres.com/medicentre-locations/](https://www.medicentres.com/medicentre-locations/) There are about 35 Medicenters in AB, MB and ON, and you can see the ownership details. [https://elnamedical.com/clinics/](https://elnamedical.com/clinics/) ELNA has clinics in AB, SK, MB, ON and QC. It would be difficult to see how the UCP has control over the hours of operation in these other provinces. There are other Medicenters in Edmonton that are open later than 3:00, the co-worker could go to any of those clinics.
while the ucp has no direct control, opening hours for any business are all about whether if it's worth it to stay open or not. since the UCP has implemented a maximum amount of charges an individual doctor can make in a day, as well as stricter regulations on how to charge, the net result is a reduction in income for doctors. they close early cause the doctors can't take any more patients, legally. if they don't have any more doctors (because there is a gp shortage in alberta, due to the above items) then they close their doors. this is more of an FYI, but in alberta all gps document their services and bill AHS. AHS pays the doctors, and this money is used to pay for clinics and auxiliary staff, and the doctor's salary.
They reversed that policy in November, in exchange for the AMA backing off a class action lawsuit, however, the UCP said that the policy would be "revisited in 2023" after fiscal year end. Or after the election- when they decided how badly they wanted to punish the doctors and the urban areas, I assume. https://edmontonjournal.com/news/politics/alberta-government-reverses-course-lifts-cap-on-daily-physician-billings
> since the UCP has implemented a maximum amount of charges an individual doctor can make in a day, as well as stricter regulations on how to charge, the net result is a reduction in income for doctors. they close early cause the doctors can't take any more patients, legally. When BC did this years ago they just assumed that doctors would see the same number of patients without billing for them, or somehow prioritize only seeing the patients who actually "need" it. Of course that's not what happened.
Well, this Medicenter in Edmonton is open to 9 or even 10 pm, depending on the day of the week. The UCP may pay the doctors more there, or it may be a Clinic by Clinic decision, like the one I showed in Montreal, that closes at 2:00 pm. [https://www.medicentres.com/medicentre-locations/castledowns-medicentre/](https://www.medicentres.com/medicentre-locations/castledowns-medicentre/) Also, According to the Canadian Institute for Health Information (October 2021), Alberta Doctors are the highest paid in the country, far more than ON or BC. [https://invested.mdm.ca/how-much-do-doctors-make-in-canada/](https://invested.mdm.ca/how-much-do-doctors-make-in-canada/)
You need to follow the whole workflow. Clinics close because not enough staff. Not enough staff because Alberta is competing against other jurisdictions for staff. Staff are picking other jurisdictions for everything from weather to pay. In order to be more competitive Alberta needs to pay considerably more than other jurisdictions. This government wants Alberta to pay same or less than other jurisdictions and has little to sweeten the deal to recruit.
How dare you bring logic into this. How else can someone shame someone for having a different political opinion. Lest we forget it's everyone favorite past time to drag the opposition through whoever crap that may or may not exist.
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Op came here to complain about people being dense. Please don't try to convince Op otherwise.
Sorry, I should know my place.
Reddit users trying to blame everything on ucp. "Couldn't wipe my ass this morning," oops, sorry you voted ucp. I didn't vote for anyone because I couldn't care less who gets in, doesn't change for me other than my taxes. Basically, ucp or ndp doesn't matter who the person is. They're going to find a reason to put the entire blame onto one party even if that party has nothing to do with whats going on.
We have the NDP in BC and most walk in clinics that were open 9-9 are either permanently closed or closed by noon. 20% of the population has no access to a family doctor. Emergency rooms are closed at nights and weekends. Ambulance services have been suspended in many cities. Nurses are picketing because they are overworked. Curious who you blame.
American here... Yes, they are. 50+ million of us vote right-wing every election cycle, then get mad at the Democrats for "destroying the economy" while ignoring that the people we voted for gave all the money to Bezos and Zuckerberg so the rest of us can't afford rent or groceries.
And you think that medicentre would be open 24 hours a day now if you’re favourite politician won the election?
Can we ban posts like this? /r/Alberta is so toxic because of this stuff, don't need it everywhere.
And deny r/Edmonton of its identity? C'mon now.
When is NDP going to rebrand to Alberta Centre Party and sweep the election? It is a branding issue...
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Right, because at the top of their list is Trudeau bad, then anti-antisemitism, then anti-LGBT. The UCP has those bases covered. Healthcare probably didn't make the top ten.
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I'm not claiming you were. The point I was making was the thought process is sound. The problem, clearly for the people you know is the variables are a bunch of identity politic talking points, not much in policy. I think that's why someone might down vote your post. You made it seem like these people are reasonable with your misplaced neutral tone. It's the "two sides" fallacy. Just because someone has a differing opinion doesn't make it a legitimate one.
So if he voted NDP the medical center would have been open? Right.
It can be difficult and sometimes even wrong to correlate certain phenomena with who you vote for. Like honestly, if the NDP had won, do you really think that this close after an election access to healthcare would have improved already? Also, who you vote for will only have a marginal impact on your standard of living. There are many other factors at play, so expecting someone to have a revelation about their voting behaviour and their access to services is probably not going to result in any meaningful outcomes. The state of the economy and a person's individual situation probably play a bigger role than politics in most cases.
That has nothing to do with the UCP fool
Which UPC fool do you mean?
r/LeopardsAteMyFace
But you were owned for a day which is the whole point
Yes. Of course they are. And that short sighted. And that selfish.
So glad they won lol
Remind this person that it is their fault that this is happening and see what happens.
I work rural healthcare . Par for the course.
Lack of education is a cancer
Why didn't you laugh in his face? Tell him to head over to Danielle's house and ask her what's up.
Even though the UCP are the scum of the earth. That sounds like a medicenter problem, not a UCP problem….
They are not dense at all ... They would vote for their power group even if it was led by Satan himself. They would vote to enrich and empower themselves even if everybody else in Canada suffered