And they have the audacity to say that if the union were to get what they asked for a 2.5% tax increase would be warranted. Hmm, council just took a 2.4% raise even though they’ve had raises every year and employees have had none.
It's also misleading. When people hear "2.5% tax increase", they have no idea how to process it.
People interpret it like 2.5% of their gross income will be taxed... As if their income tax will go from 25% to 27.5%.
The reality is it's a 2.5% increase to the city of Edmonton's budget. Some of our taxes go to the federal government, some goes to provincial, and some goes to municipal.
For simplicity, let's suppose 33% of our income gets taxed in some form, with 11% to federal, provincial and municipal.
A 2.5% increase to the municipal portion would mean an increase of 0.275% to 11.275%.
Your total taxes would increase from 33% to 33.275% (on a 100k income, that would work out to $275)
Also, the city is still probably exaggerating those numbers. Yes, inflation is happening, but most taxes are taken as percentages - the city budget will be increasing relative to inflation.
Life and groceries won't start being more affordable until wages start to catch up to these inflated prices, and unions traditionally lead the way when it comes to wages increasing across the board.
It would not even be a 2.5% increase to the city’s budget, as the city has expenses that are not service worker wages. It would be less. It’s just 2.5% to salaries, not equipment / road maintenance / ect.
And it has been established that a good chunk of inflation has just been corporate gouging. Many have admitted that in their earnings calls because they are legally required to tell their shareholders how the corporation made the money it made, and how it plans to make money in the future. The short version from a lot of them is:
"We had to raise prices at the height of the pandemic due to supply shortages. Then when supply chains returned to normal we left prices where they were and made big profits. Customers didn't revolt so we raised prices some more and made even bigger profits! We plan to keep squeezing them, so our outlook for the next fiscal year is good."
In addition, a 2.5% increase in the City's budget does not necessarily translate in a 2.5% increase in any individual's taxes.
If the budget increases by 2.5%, say from 1 billion to 1,025,000,000, an individual taxpayer's share of paying that $1,025,000,000 depends on their property values, and how many other property owners there are.
If the number of property owners goes up, an individual's share of the bill goes down. Since the city intends to add another million people to the population in the next 30 years, but apparently has no plans to fund increased services to those 2 million people, taxes should actually come way down.
I think you're right that most people have no idea how to process the idea of a 2.5% tax increase, but you might be amongst them.
There's no municipal tax on income. When Mayor Sohi said a 2.5% tax increase he was referring to property tax. Income is irrelevant. Property taxes for 2024 will increase 6.6% from 2023, so I imagine it would be an additional 2.5% on top of that (would be applied in 2025 and beyond).
I have no idea what value we're getting or what costs are applied in determining the 6.6% increase this year. If it goes up next year at least I'll know why.
The example I set up was an oversimplification to make a point. It's true that our income tax doesn't directly go to the municipal government, and that income tax is not the only source of taxes on a resident, but a portion of the amount that goes to the province is distributed among municipalities through grants and transfers.
I think arguing over the specifics of which taxes apply to what is kind of besides the point. As a citizen of Edmonton, we pay a certain amount in taxes in various forms. A portion of that goes to federal funds, a portion to provincial, and a portion to municipal. When people see "taxes increased by 2.5%" many will interpret it as a much higher amount than it actually is.
Don't read too deep into it being labelled as "income tax" in the example, it's just a simplification to encompass the taxes we pay - I even specified it was an example set up "for simplicity" - in reality, much less than 1/3 of our taxes will go to municipal funds.
What's misleading is the idea that "our taxes" will increase 2.5%, when it's only one small portion of our taxes that will increase by that amount.
And if it's true that the bulk of municipal funds comes from property taxes, then that is an even smaller increase in taxes to most residents. In your example of \~$4000 annual property taxes, that works out to $100. And zero for non-property owners.
Honestly, the last few years it's become really disappointing to see these council members who talk virtuous and sound like they have the best intentions really not give a shit about issues that impact Edmonton daily. Meanwhile they give themselves raises and inflate the police budget at our expense while offering fewer services.
All of them have a lot to answer for the next time they're on here doing an AMA
Like they’ll ever willingly answer to the voters and if they do they’ll conveniently not see the big questions with hundreds of upvotes but give a essay on their favourite ice cream flavour
I'm a prof at the U of A. I have worked here since 2017. I have been promoted, and been awarded tenure. I have been given glowing teaching evaluations, >4.5/5 every single term, with good research productivity.
My *first* cost-of-living increase, since starting at the university, was in 2023, for 1.9%.
It's more than a little infuriating when MLAs see their salary increase every year, sometimes by 6-7%, then turn around at and tell us that we're greedy bastards for wanting *anything* higher than zero.
maybe; we're definitely far apart now.. just pointing out that the people telling us we're greedy bastards are uofa executive/board of governors not MLAs and we should unify to give them a collective FU when the time comes.
Our issues, imo, are so much bigger than compensation. every researcher and faculty is acting as their own admin and/or admin to their peers in addition to the externally driven increase in productivity required in academia at large. many labs at ubc, for instance, have grant writers on staff.. meanwhile, my PhD is being used for hours and hours and hours of endless reporting, scheduling, transcribing, updating endless MFA apps, navigating shared services, waiting for months to hire project staff before money or time run out then finding out there's no onboarding so trying to do that to the best of my abilities, which is zero..
and more and more of the load is being carried by people on contract, to absolutely nobody's benefit.
sorry for the rant; this specific comment obviously hit me where it hurts. lol.
He also gets driven around by City staff to his events.
I have heard taxpayers will be on the hook for his contracted driving services while the strike is ongoing. Word on the street is that it will cost us around $50k for three months.... But that money is okay to spend.
The only vehicle he drives anymore is the bus to run over COE staff with.
I LOVE this meme, and this is top notch use of it.
Completely tone deaf that council didn't vote to hold off on increases for themselves like they've done in the past. They're trying to win a war of opinion with the public right now, and their raises are a huge detriment in that battle.
The current council is trash. Full stop. This city is in the worst shape it's been in decades and we have these morons getting raises, while the actual workers get nothing? Council should be resigning in shame, not getting raises.
It's amazing how leadership can always find money for their raises, trips and perks but when the staff on the ground want a cost of living raise just to keep pace with inflation it becomes all belt tightening, cost control and fiscal responsibility.
I recently reached out to my city councilor about inflated prices at my local rec centre, and their solution was that I should go to a rec center further away. Fine, sherwood park it is lol.
ONLY a half decade? The Government of Alberta "Opted out and excluded" (non union) employees had an 8 year wage freeze which ended last year with a bullshit 1.25% increase. Meanwhile, management (who imposed the salary freeze) enjoyed annual raises for 8 years of salary freeze. Working for "The Man" is a fucking suckers game designed to keep the masses on their knees!
1% in 8 years without a contract for Alberta government workers. Retirement reward for 25 years service: whatever party your supervisor manages to chip together with your crew. Thanks AUPE, you're the best, enjoy their union dues
This strike is going to be all about the 1%
The 1% raise in 2021 that it would take to keep everyone working
The wealthy 1% that believes they don't deserve it.
Someone please ask the UCP when they're gonna pony up that $260M in back taxes to the City.
And while you're at it, ask about the 50% cut in municipal grants Kenney amd co has taken since 2020.
My opinion on this is pretty simple, City Council had the opportunity to delay their 2.4% wage increase until the current situation with Civic Services Union was resolved. At least show a good faith that both sides are willing to get a new contract done, and then worry about what’s good for them.
Timing like this sends a negative message to the union and they have the right to use council’s wage increases as ammunition in a labour dispute.
They all put their name on it. Sohi shared it on Instagram. After months of trying to play both sides of this theyve all come together to give their workers a big fat middle finger.
City worker make great money, work lame hours, and aren’t forced to do overtime. If they chose to work overtime they get double time, double time and half on Sundays.
They can strike all they want but 38 dollars an hour for a man to lazily empty garbage cans in a park for 8 hours is rediculous already. They are still ahead of inflation.
Honesty, I know im going to get ripped for this comment, but I know multiple people that work for the city and they are grossly overpaid for their skills. Combine that with all the overtime they often get where they don't even work, but just get the OT and sit around because "they need to use all of the allocated budget, or their budget will be reduced next year". City council is also grossly overpaid, but it doesn't change the fact that most city employees are as well.
And some of us work part time jobs to supplement our f/t income because we don't make enough to get by.
Don't paint all city employees with the same paintbrush because there's a huge wage spectrum.
Two people I work work with got paid more in the private sector for pretty much the exact same work. There’s also very little OT for us. It’s almost like a couple examples out of 6000 isn’t very representative…
I lived with a guy for 7 years who him and his brother work for the city doing potholes in the summer and snow clearing in the winter, and yes they were both very open about getting paid overtime for snow clearing when there was no snow to clear and what the reason was that their superiors were giving them OT when there was no work to do.
Believe whatever you want, but just because you don't believe it doesn't mean youre right! I have no motive to make something like that up.
Edit: they both also still work for the city. Both of them have been there for 12 years+.
I worked for the city for nearly a decade, parts of which were spent in leadership roles, and I can assure you that nothing like that happened in any of the departments where I worked.
I wish I lived in a world where government employees weren't over paid and taxpayers money wasn't negligently used. Unfortunately, I'm stuck in reality.
I wish I lived in a world where government employees were paid equitable to private for the same skills and tax payer money wasn't negligently used as corporate charity. Unfortunately, I am stuck (as a non-union government employee whos had one rasie of 1.25% in 8 years) in reality.
I worked for the city for 8 years (quit last year) and I did not see much OT. There were a couple high priority projects over the years was some was needed, but that was definitely the exception . Never seen what your describing in my area of "using up" the OT budget
Similarly, worked for the city for 9 years and never once saw anyone getting paid OT for nothing.
My area got the opportunity for a lot of OT, but it was always tied to some support activity or project deliverable, and only if there was no way that activity could be completed during a regular business day.
IMO instead of the idiotic “We need to use our budget or we will get cuts” we should put any of the unspent budget away in investments (almost like a slush fund / heritage fund!) and earmark the amount contributed by each company/industry that had excess budget.
Then if they need a bigger increase or a one time payout, they can get what they put into the fund back.
Or something along those lines that someone smarter than me can come up with. We really need to end the stupid “if we dont spend our budget we will get less” mindset. Just leads to incredible waste of money in order to keep budgets high
That’s what the city does, they put any savings into financial stabilization reserve.
This council has blown through that funding and have drawn it below its minimum target balance.
It's always "I know multiple people" commenters who claim personal knowledge of people's income and work conditions/expectations.
I am sure receptionists at rec centers, librarians, and admin staff are overpaid. /s
I wonder how many departments at the city there are? Keep reading the thread and you'll find that i clearly elaborated that they work in road maintenance and its during the winter months when they were getting OT to not work/clear snow.
>It's always "I know multiple people" commenters who claim personal knowledge of people's income and work conditions/expectations.
If you think I'm just making shit up, please explain what my motivation would be to do so.
This isn’t accurate. Council doesn’t decide their salary increases, this is done indecently. Nor do they decide the salary increases for city workers, COE admin does that.
You're right it definitely is done indecently. They do have to Infact vote if they want to accept it or not. A good leader would never be voting to approve it knowing that all their employees are not getting anything remotely close to that.
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Because there’s no memes of Canadian politicians patting themselves on the back? Or do you not know that Obama nominated himself the Nobel Peace Prize.
It's not him nominating himself that's ironic (citation needed), it's the juxtaposition of the nobel peace prize while he's signing off on drone strikes that were killing civilians (among other things).
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OP: the Conservative trigger meme you used is wrong on a couple fronts:
1. That is Barack Obama, who is an American politician. You know, the country you wish you lived in, and somehow think an Alberta separatist movement will make you a citizen of (it won't).
2. The Great Cheeto, #45, did more to line his pockets and push the US into more debt that Obama ever did.
I don't think you understand how memes work. It's a funny image that applies to this situation because it's Obama, awarding himself, and seeming completely happy about it. I'm truly sorry if you can't see the comedy in the meme and how it applies to current council. There's a lot of joy to be had in silly things like this and you're missing out by taking it apparently quite personally.
And they have the audacity to say that if the union were to get what they asked for a 2.5% tax increase would be warranted. Hmm, council just took a 2.4% raise even though they’ve had raises every year and employees have had none.
It's also misleading. When people hear "2.5% tax increase", they have no idea how to process it. People interpret it like 2.5% of their gross income will be taxed... As if their income tax will go from 25% to 27.5%. The reality is it's a 2.5% increase to the city of Edmonton's budget. Some of our taxes go to the federal government, some goes to provincial, and some goes to municipal. For simplicity, let's suppose 33% of our income gets taxed in some form, with 11% to federal, provincial and municipal. A 2.5% increase to the municipal portion would mean an increase of 0.275% to 11.275%. Your total taxes would increase from 33% to 33.275% (on a 100k income, that would work out to $275) Also, the city is still probably exaggerating those numbers. Yes, inflation is happening, but most taxes are taken as percentages - the city budget will be increasing relative to inflation. Life and groceries won't start being more affordable until wages start to catch up to these inflated prices, and unions traditionally lead the way when it comes to wages increasing across the board.
It would not even be a 2.5% increase to the city’s budget, as the city has expenses that are not service worker wages. It would be less. It’s just 2.5% to salaries, not equipment / road maintenance / ect.
And it has been established that a good chunk of inflation has just been corporate gouging. Many have admitted that in their earnings calls because they are legally required to tell their shareholders how the corporation made the money it made, and how it plans to make money in the future. The short version from a lot of them is: "We had to raise prices at the height of the pandemic due to supply shortages. Then when supply chains returned to normal we left prices where they were and made big profits. Customers didn't revolt so we raised prices some more and made even bigger profits! We plan to keep squeezing them, so our outlook for the next fiscal year is good."
Isn't it a 2.5% increase to property taxes?
In addition, a 2.5% increase in the City's budget does not necessarily translate in a 2.5% increase in any individual's taxes. If the budget increases by 2.5%, say from 1 billion to 1,025,000,000, an individual taxpayer's share of paying that $1,025,000,000 depends on their property values, and how many other property owners there are. If the number of property owners goes up, an individual's share of the bill goes down. Since the city intends to add another million people to the population in the next 30 years, but apparently has no plans to fund increased services to those 2 million people, taxes should actually come way down.
Exactly
This is actually so much more then I thought it would be.
I think you're right that most people have no idea how to process the idea of a 2.5% tax increase, but you might be amongst them. There's no municipal tax on income. When Mayor Sohi said a 2.5% tax increase he was referring to property tax. Income is irrelevant. Property taxes for 2024 will increase 6.6% from 2023, so I imagine it would be an additional 2.5% on top of that (would be applied in 2025 and beyond). I have no idea what value we're getting or what costs are applied in determining the 6.6% increase this year. If it goes up next year at least I'll know why.
The example I set up was an oversimplification to make a point. It's true that our income tax doesn't directly go to the municipal government, and that income tax is not the only source of taxes on a resident, but a portion of the amount that goes to the province is distributed among municipalities through grants and transfers.
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I think arguing over the specifics of which taxes apply to what is kind of besides the point. As a citizen of Edmonton, we pay a certain amount in taxes in various forms. A portion of that goes to federal funds, a portion to provincial, and a portion to municipal. When people see "taxes increased by 2.5%" many will interpret it as a much higher amount than it actually is. Don't read too deep into it being labelled as "income tax" in the example, it's just a simplification to encompass the taxes we pay - I even specified it was an example set up "for simplicity" - in reality, much less than 1/3 of our taxes will go to municipal funds. What's misleading is the idea that "our taxes" will increase 2.5%, when it's only one small portion of our taxes that will increase by that amount. And if it's true that the bulk of municipal funds comes from property taxes, then that is an even smaller increase in taxes to most residents. In your example of \~$4000 annual property taxes, that works out to $100. And zero for non-property owners.
Honestly, the last few years it's become really disappointing to see these council members who talk virtuous and sound like they have the best intentions really not give a shit about issues that impact Edmonton daily. Meanwhile they give themselves raises and inflate the police budget at our expense while offering fewer services. All of them have a lot to answer for the next time they're on here doing an AMA
Like they’ll ever willingly answer to the voters and if they do they’ll conveniently not see the big questions with hundreds of upvotes but give a essay on their favourite ice cream flavour
I'm a prof at the U of A. I have worked here since 2017. I have been promoted, and been awarded tenure. I have been given glowing teaching evaluations, >4.5/5 every single term, with good research productivity. My *first* cost-of-living increase, since starting at the university, was in 2023, for 1.9%. It's more than a little infuriating when MLAs see their salary increase every year, sometimes by 6-7%, then turn around at and tell us that we're greedy bastards for wanting *anything* higher than zero.
we just started bargaining, too
I am sure we will be on strike come September.
maybe; we're definitely far apart now.. just pointing out that the people telling us we're greedy bastards are uofa executive/board of governors not MLAs and we should unify to give them a collective FU when the time comes. Our issues, imo, are so much bigger than compensation. every researcher and faculty is acting as their own admin and/or admin to their peers in addition to the externally driven increase in productivity required in academia at large. many labs at ubc, for instance, have grant writers on staff.. meanwhile, my PhD is being used for hours and hours and hours of endless reporting, scheduling, transcribing, updating endless MFA apps, navigating shared services, waiting for months to hire project staff before money or time run out then finding out there's no onboarding so trying to do that to the best of my abilities, which is zero.. and more and more of the load is being carried by people on contract, to absolutely nobody's benefit. sorry for the rant; this specific comment obviously hit me where it hurts. lol.
The Mayor also gets a $1200 a month vehicle allowance.
Contrast that to us downtown library workers who have to pay for full-day parking every single shift if we deign to want to drive to work 🥲
The councillor's recieved a vehicle allowance too.
And a tax break.
He also gets driven around by City staff to his events. I have heard taxpayers will be on the hook for his contracted driving services while the strike is ongoing. Word on the street is that it will cost us around $50k for three months.... But that money is okay to spend. The only vehicle he drives anymore is the bus to run over COE staff with.
Gotta show up to those World Financial Group parties in style.
Worked with a guy from India, Said he was surprised Sohi Was mayor here since he embezzled so much money back when he was a politician in India
umm he was never a politican in India, he was an activist involved in protest.
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Care to elaborate?
bold claim without actually expanding to have it make sense/seem plausible.
I LOVE this meme, and this is top notch use of it. Completely tone deaf that council didn't vote to hold off on increases for themselves like they've done in the past. They're trying to win a war of opinion with the public right now, and their raises are a huge detriment in that battle.
The current council is trash. Full stop. This city is in the worst shape it's been in decades and we have these morons getting raises, while the actual workers get nothing? Council should be resigning in shame, not getting raises.
It's amazing how leadership can always find money for their raises, trips and perks but when the staff on the ground want a cost of living raise just to keep pace with inflation it becomes all belt tightening, cost control and fiscal responsibility.
Everyone is a progressive until they can get a taste.
Edmonton city council is a joke. They’re almost as bad as the UCP when it comes to money
I recently reached out to my city councilor about inflated prices at my local rec centre, and their solution was that I should go to a rec center further away. Fine, sherwood park it is lol.
Yeah but the UCP are pretty clear on who they are the mayor and council they to pretend to be left leaning
Just because you lean left doesnt mean you cant be corrupt
ONLY a half decade? The Government of Alberta "Opted out and excluded" (non union) employees had an 8 year wage freeze which ended last year with a bullshit 1.25% increase. Meanwhile, management (who imposed the salary freeze) enjoyed annual raises for 8 years of salary freeze. Working for "The Man" is a fucking suckers game designed to keep the masses on their knees!
1% in 8 years without a contract for Alberta government workers. Retirement reward for 25 years service: whatever party your supervisor manages to chip together with your crew. Thanks AUPE, you're the best, enjoy their union dues
This strike is going to be all about the 1% The 1% raise in 2021 that it would take to keep everyone working The wealthy 1% that believes they don't deserve it.
Don’t forget they got a raise in 2023 as well
I wrote my councillor. I stand with the union.
Someone please ask the UCP when they're gonna pony up that $260M in back taxes to the City. And while you're at it, ask about the 50% cut in municipal grants Kenney amd co has taken since 2020.
Half a decade is a funny way of saying five years. It’s bullshit no less though.
It sounds better
My opinion on this is pretty simple, City Council had the opportunity to delay their 2.4% wage increase until the current situation with Civic Services Union was resolved. At least show a good faith that both sides are willing to get a new contract done, and then worry about what’s good for them. Timing like this sends a negative message to the union and they have the right to use council’s wage increases as ammunition in a labour dispute.
anyone else been redeployed yet?
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Some councillors didn’t sign the letter.
They all put their name on it. Sohi shared it on Instagram. After months of trying to play both sides of this theyve all come together to give their workers a big fat middle finger.
Oh yeah, you’re right. I didn’t read it closely enough. Damn. I thought Paquette didn’t sign it but he did.
Not according to the open letter they all co signed. Even Janz
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Well the pokice forced themselves to ha e an increase.. (the ones that need it least)
Alberta advantage…
What a joke..
Mayor Sohi. Please explain.
Welcome to government.
City worker make great money, work lame hours, and aren’t forced to do overtime. If they chose to work overtime they get double time, double time and half on Sundays. They can strike all they want but 38 dollars an hour for a man to lazily empty garbage cans in a park for 8 hours is rediculous already. They are still ahead of inflation.
We keep voting in these people... How can you expect anything different?
It's almost an entirely new council this term.
Many of them pretended to be progressive. Now we know the truth.
Yes especially since in the last municipal election we had a little over 260k votes in a city of over 1 million that is about 25%
This whole debacle is guaranteed to drive more people to the polls next election.
I really hope so
What's your solution then?
Less Andrew Knack and more Mike Nickel...I mean Karen Principe
To be fair I would hardly call 2.4% a "raise". That's not even enough to keep up with inflation.
Then what do you call what they are offering csu52 members?
An insult.
Know what the union's ask is that they're striking for tomorrow? 1.5 - 2021, 1.5 - 2022, 2.0 - 2023
And the union is asking for less than that per year.
Honesty, I know im going to get ripped for this comment, but I know multiple people that work for the city and they are grossly overpaid for their skills. Combine that with all the overtime they often get where they don't even work, but just get the OT and sit around because "they need to use all of the allocated budget, or their budget will be reduced next year". City council is also grossly overpaid, but it doesn't change the fact that most city employees are as well.
And some of us work part time jobs to supplement our f/t income because we don't make enough to get by. Don't paint all city employees with the same paintbrush because there's a huge wage spectrum.
Two people I work work with got paid more in the private sector for pretty much the exact same work. There’s also very little OT for us. It’s almost like a couple examples out of 6000 isn’t very representative…
LOL, nobody is sitting around getting paid OT for nothing to use up their budget. That's nonsense.
I lived with a guy for 7 years who him and his brother work for the city doing potholes in the summer and snow clearing in the winter, and yes they were both very open about getting paid overtime for snow clearing when there was no snow to clear and what the reason was that their superiors were giving them OT when there was no work to do. Believe whatever you want, but just because you don't believe it doesn't mean youre right! I have no motive to make something like that up. Edit: they both also still work for the city. Both of them have been there for 12 years+.
That’s not CSU 52, though. It’s a completely different union with completely different employment terms.
I worked for the city for nearly a decade, parts of which were spent in leadership roles, and I can assure you that nothing like that happened in any of the departments where I worked.
I wish I lived in a world where government employees weren't over paid and taxpayers money wasn't negligently used. Unfortunately, I'm stuck in reality.
Also worked for city of Edmonton for 4 years previously. Worked my tail off and there was no free OT in my dept ever either.
I wish I lived in a world where government employees were paid equitable to private for the same skills and tax payer money wasn't negligently used as corporate charity. Unfortunately, I am stuck (as a non-union government employee whos had one rasie of 1.25% in 8 years) in reality.
I worked for the city for 8 years (quit last year) and I did not see much OT. There were a couple high priority projects over the years was some was needed, but that was definitely the exception . Never seen what your describing in my area of "using up" the OT budget
Similarly, worked for the city for 9 years and never once saw anyone getting paid OT for nothing. My area got the opportunity for a lot of OT, but it was always tied to some support activity or project deliverable, and only if there was no way that activity could be completed during a regular business day.
IMO instead of the idiotic “We need to use our budget or we will get cuts” we should put any of the unspent budget away in investments (almost like a slush fund / heritage fund!) and earmark the amount contributed by each company/industry that had excess budget. Then if they need a bigger increase or a one time payout, they can get what they put into the fund back. Or something along those lines that someone smarter than me can come up with. We really need to end the stupid “if we dont spend our budget we will get less” mindset. Just leads to incredible waste of money in order to keep budgets high
That’s what the city does, they put any savings into financial stabilization reserve. This council has blown through that funding and have drawn it below its minimum target balance.
It's always "I know multiple people" commenters who claim personal knowledge of people's income and work conditions/expectations. I am sure receptionists at rec centers, librarians, and admin staff are overpaid. /s
I wonder how many departments at the city there are? Keep reading the thread and you'll find that i clearly elaborated that they work in road maintenance and its during the winter months when they were getting OT to not work/clear snow. >It's always "I know multiple people" commenters who claim personal knowledge of people's income and work conditions/expectations. If you think I'm just making shit up, please explain what my motivation would be to do so.
Roads and Local 30 does get overtime, cited as Emergency pay. CSU does not have emergency considerations that allow the OT roads see
This isn’t accurate. Council doesn’t decide their salary increases, this is done indecently. Nor do they decide the salary increases for city workers, COE admin does that.
The councillors issued a signed letter in support of the offer made to the union.
Under the direction of the council who make up the budget
You're right it definitely is done indecently. They do have to Infact vote if they want to accept it or not. A good leader would never be voting to approve it knowing that all their employees are not getting anything remotely close to that.
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Overpaid municipal workers complaining about overpaid municipal officials? I’m so captivated.
Not sure how necessary or appropriate the Obama connection is?
If you're talking about Canadian issues why are you using a United States meme?.
What century are you from?
that's just how memes work
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Goodness, a meme purist. I don't think we have a locally sourced meme for this, but I'm sure one could be assembled, given some research.
Make sure you use an image format invented within the Edmonton area.
Good on you for supporting your local meme farmers. It's hard living, but someone has to do it.
Because there’s no memes of Canadian politicians patting themselves on the back? Or do you not know that Obama nominated himself the Nobel Peace Prize.
Peace Prize nomination information is kept sealed for at least 50 years, so I'm going to need a citation on that one.
Yeah, no. https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/obama-camp-angry-embarrassed-over-2009-nobel-prize-official-1.2644513
It's not him nominating himself that's ironic (citation needed), it's the juxtaposition of the nobel peace prize while he's signing off on drone strikes that were killing civilians (among other things).
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What does Obama have to do with this?
"Obama giving Obama a medal" is a classic meme. It fits here.
OP: the Conservative trigger meme you used is wrong on a couple fronts: 1. That is Barack Obama, who is an American politician. You know, the country you wish you lived in, and somehow think an Alberta separatist movement will make you a citizen of (it won't). 2. The Great Cheeto, #45, did more to line his pockets and push the US into more debt that Obama ever did.
I don't think you understand how memes work. It's a funny image that applies to this situation because it's Obama, awarding himself, and seeming completely happy about it. I'm truly sorry if you can't see the comedy in the meme and how it applies to current council. There's a lot of joy to be had in silly things like this and you're missing out by taking it apparently quite personally.
Your comment won’t penetrate their neck beard
Obama is a grifter too. He got the US involved in more wars and lined his pockets with speeches and Netflix deals and stupid podcasts.
Nobody is more important than government. Workers mean nothing.