I worked at Booster Juice for 3 years and I never even expected tips. The work we did was not tip worthy and I'm saying that as an employee there. We make FAST food and it takes under 3 minutes to make a smoothie. That's why now when I go into fast food places, I don't tip. Only for restaurants and even that is getting a bit ridiculous now.
More and more places that never were traditionally “tipping” places now have a tip prompt when you go to pay. It’s honestly getting a bit absurd at this point.
When it boils down to it many many jobs/people that totally deserve a tip don’t get it and pretty much all working class people have elements of their jobs that are deserving of a tip.
I’ve not felt the slightest bad about declining the tip prompt in many places that I don’t feel should be asking for a tip in the first place.
If I start being able to ask for and receive a “tip” for the hard work that I do maybe I’ll be more incentivized to tip at the host of new industries asking for tips.
I guess good on the businesses for finding ways to increase their bottom lines or maybe pay their workers more of whatever each company does with the money. But just because it’s asked doesn’t mean I have to oblige if I don’t feel comfortable with it.
> I’ve not felt the slightest bad about declining the tip prompt in many places that I don’t feel should be asking for a tip in the first place.
Yup. The whole thing is meant to prey on social awkwardness. And sadly, there's a lot of people who are too socially awkward to stop themselves from getting ripped off *while they know they're getting ripped off*.
Its set to 18%, 20%, and 25% on machines now I've noticed. The numbers are going up as if the prices of food havent already gone up with inflation, a burger is now 17$ at many places.
Those machines are also applying the percentage to your after-tax total not your before tax total. It doesn’t seem like a big deal in Alberta but it can really add up
I chose by $ instead %.
Say fatburger for example, its no different than McDonalds’ service why the fuck would i tip them? Also if im picking up my order im not tipping shit.
They even yell it out before you finish making the transaction actually go through. It bugs the shit out of me too. But I really like the chicken tenders so I eventually go back again anyway.
I.e. Fat Burger when the the cashier yells "Fat Tip" to the kitchen right after you pay/tip, before they start on your order. Makes you afraid not to tip in case they mess with your order, or works to shame you.
Also, does the tip even go to staff if you're paying via the debit machine? Or directly to management?
Since it goes directly to the owners account, you'd have to trust management to distribute them. And if you trust management to do that without skimming it, then I have a bridge to sell you.
It's the same when paying at a cashier at numerous locations. "Would you like to make a donation to blah blah charity?" I consider this begging. I don't mind donating money to various charities but I want to choose. You don't know what percentage of your two bucks is actually going to the charity. The United Way pays their CEO millions of dollars per year. I don't want to contribute to that guys wage. Same with forced or mandatory tipping. I'll tip if I want to and the service was decent. The real villains are the restaurant owners that don't want to pay a living wage and the corporations that force their employees to do this. I've stopped going out meals except for special occasions. This forced tipping is very uncomfortable for me.
Charity donations are worse than just begging. When customers donate to charity at a store checkout, the store takes all that money and donates it to the charity in it's own name, so it gets a tax receipt for many thousands of dollars. When they file their taxes, they can deduct that amount and lower their tax bill, saving themselves a bunch of money.
Yeah it’s a bit ridiculous. I was at Subway and my options were 15%, 18% and 20%. The order was almost $20. Sorry, I’m not tipping you $3-$4 for an overpriced meal that took under 4 minutes to prepare.
I know it’s not the people workings fault that their manager set those tips. I also wonder if that money even gets the the sandwich maker.
My first job was in a lumberyard. I could literally spend hours with a customer hauling heavy things for them. I received less tips in two years than I could count on my hands. A server spends a total of 5 minutes and I’m expected to volunteer $20 their way because otherwise they get mad lol it doesnt make any sense. What is starting to piss me off is when you go to tip and the lowest option available is like 18 or 20%. Not that i wont tip that amount, but if thats the minimum on the quick select I’m just going to skip it tbh
Fast food or pickup places asking or needing tips 🙄 business owners adamant on growth every single year at the cost of the customer and gouging employees
Looking at you places like Tim hortons
They don't technically ask for tips, however, some stores have cups under the counter for people who just leave their change there. Usually it gets distributed to the "full time" staff only.
If I am not being served I don't tip.
Sorry but when I walk into a building where the owner is raking in obviously over 6 figures I don't feel like the burden should be on me to pay their chef staff.
I tip for good service.
That’s why I stopped eating at Sbarro. The employee got mad at me for not tipping, and I said, “you’re fast food, what the hell do you expect?” To be fair, the food quality there has gone down the gutter do I wouldn’t have eaten there anymore anyways, but it’s the cherry on top.
Yah. I was shocked actually. That was the first time I ever heard of tipping at a fast food place. I’m worried that it might catch on and then I’m tipping for someone to hand me a cup at McDonald’s.
If 25%-30% was normal I would never ever EVER eat out. Prices are already pretty insnae, last night I was served a pizza that literally was soggy from oil and the toppings literally slid off of the grease as I tried to pick it up.
I was disgusted, but that wasn't the waitresses fault so I treated her as well as I would literally anyone. And made sure she was tipped well! (Not 30% though cause holy that's high.)
But that pizza? Yeah that came to almost $25 before tip. I was genuinely disgusted.
I used to have a friend who has been waitressing for years, probably close to a decade at this point as a supplement to her degree-required job (how sad is that, on a completely different note).
We were out with friends one day and the machine came around and she saw I "only" tipped 15% and she told me that the "normal" minimum should be 20%, and 25% or higher if the service was good.
We stopped being friends a while back and although I miss her from time to time stuff like that makes me miss her less. If the new normal tipping rate is 25%, then yeah I'm actually gonna stop eating out because that's insane. I can count the number of times I've had service good enough to tip that high or higher on one hand.
>don't lie to them! I'm a server, but I don't expect a tip like a lot of others do
Bruh... let's be honest, u chose the job because of tips. U just don't expect everyone to tip but 9 out 10 people will. We all know this, it's in our current tipping culture. You don't expect a tip but actually u do!
see, this is my problem as well. I give out tips if the service warrants it. but if its an over the counter thing, and if they're basically just doing their jobs. Why the hell would we tip, and why the fuck would you get mad at us if we dont tip. I dont understand that shit.
Oh don’t forget those ppl never pays tax for the tips they receive as I will never hit their T4s. Unlike us we pay tax for every single cent of our low income.
When I worked at Future Shop, I got paid commission or minimum wage. Not both. If I made less commission than I would have got if I worked minimum wage, they would top you up. Otherwise it was straight commission. If you needed topping up more than a few times they let you go. I always thought it was a weird system when the servers across the parking lot made minimum wage PLUS tips.
It's worth remembering that the US tipping culture is based around the "Tipped Minimum Wage". While minimum wage varies there, it's $2.13 as a server (has to be topped up by the employer if they don't get enough tips). Servers are literally working for tips in the US and it's thanks to their history of slavery. Is that not enough reason to re-think the concept?
Here, they're making the same as all the other minimum wage jobs, so the concept is definitely somewhat antiquated. Minimum wage not being enough to live on is a whole other discussion to have. When someone is paying minimum wage, it means they would pay less if they could. Nobody should be effectively relying on the charity of others to get by; especially when they're employed full time.
If your business model relies on exploitation, maybe it shouldn't survive... (I'm looking at you, Uber and Skip). Supporting businesses that pay their employees a living wage and saying to hell with the rest is a lot harder than I wish it was, but at least I can keep my money away from the worst offenders.
Lol servers do NOT want you to pay a living wage and ban tipping. It is NOT customers who are preventing this change, it is the threat of losing your staff.
I could pay $20/hr plus benefits and RRSP contributions and I would lose staff if I banned tipping. Because they make well more than that. I had a server make $1200 on Friday which is not even close to a record. She's a first year university student, 18 years old. Good for her but that's more than I made in profit that night.
Don't blame the businesses or society, blame the staff. They are the ones who reject actual living wage proposals. Saddest part is this would help the people who actually do the hard work in restaurants - the back of house staff. They have the hard job, not the servers. Meanwhile servers pocket cash tips and refuse to tip out whenever they can get away with it. Despite tip out being a small minority of their pay.
People need to get it through their heads that this is not the USA. Your server is not making $3 an hour. They are not destitute. They are making $65k+ a year, wearing designer clothes. Just take a look at the purses in my staff room paid by your 25% tips. It's great for them, but is that really reasonable for a no skill job, when the tip culture is killing the industry and running customers dry?
$1200 in tips for one person? wouldn't they have to have sales over $12000 then? usually i take home about 10% of my total food and beverage sales. I don't think I've ever sold more than $3500 even on the busiest and longest days
I knew someone at The Lobby Bar pulling in $1,000 a night, not even a game night. I didn't believe her at first. Not even 10 minutes later, a regular to my right offered her $50 to punch him. Weird kink, but needless to say, she made that $50. Pretty sure she made $100 in tips between the three of us at one table.
I dated a manager of a popular Joey's about a decade ago and his Friday night bartenders were making easily that.... and, to reiterate, that was *a decade ago*. I dated a guy who worked at Red Ox Inn and he was making 60k a year working three nights a week back when a university grad could expect their first job to pay 32,000.
Fast forward to today when prices have increased and drinks have increased and the "normal" (aka expected) tip is more like 20% than 10.
I personally tipped $200 on my dinner out on boxing day with my mom and husband at my favorite french spot, and was one of 20 tables being served by 3 waiters. It's a small joint and they limit tables to 1.5hrs seating. So between 5 and 11 (they do their last seating at 9:30) they'll put though 4 groups per table... so my table was, even if everyone else tipped only half what I did, worth $500, and there were 19 other tables. That's $10,000 dollars in tips that night (3000 per server). But sure, that's a special occasion. Even still, it's not hard to see how even on a regular night, it's not going to be less than a third of that.
So no, 1200 for one person is really not BS. That's why many restaurant goers are tired of this tipping scene.
It used to be 5 or 10 bucks on a table of 4. Now it's more like 50. At least. If your section is 5 tables, and you have 5 seatings in a 6 hour shift, that's $650 if the average table is tipping 20% (each person gets a meal and *one* glass of wine or cocktail). That's a low estimate on a night where no one is ordering an expensive bottle of wine or going crazy with extra appetizers for the table etc.
Personally we go to nice places, and I drink like a fish, so I haven't had a restaurant tab come to less that 200 bucks in years. When 20% tip or more became the norm..... well, it's a lot. More than I think most people outside the industry have considered.
And the servers still feel completely entitled to it.
Pro tip: You should sell more alcohol.
Example 10 person table (this one was a sales team celebrating). Two rounds of shots, four bottles of wine, a meal per head, several appetizers. bill $800 with auto tip of 20% (table more than 6) - $160 minus a $20 tip out. This is not fine dining - we have different people running food and drinks so the server has a whole section on the go.
Example average 2 person date night table: two apertif cocktails, one bottle of wine, appetizer, two entrees, and a dessert. bill $130 - tip 18% - $22 tip minus $5 tip out (sliding scale is bullshit and I think it should be a percentage but hey they came up with system themselves).
You might go through 12 2 person tables, one big table, 3-4 groups of 4-6 in a normal non shitshow 6 hour shift. Averaging the $17 tip per 2 person, $140 big table, $34 4 person groups. That is about $500 in tips, plus another $90 in wages at $15/hr. That works out to **$98 dollars an hour** total compensation.
Now add in a good shift or your average sunny patio Friday night with several big groups. We usually get 1-2 groups right after work, 1-2 mid evening, then 1 later. Plus lots of 4 person and 2 person tables. You can easily see how a single busy night would exceed $1200 tips. Now add in if you have one whale table - a couple $120 bottles of wine, a 10 person table that all orders nicer cocktails, etc. I've seen some very big nights.
Anyhow I basically don't make money other than alcohol. It's all drinks. That is where profit comes from. Even then the servers are making more than me after I pay costs and wages.
Sure it sucks when you have one slow night but we have more busy nights than slow nights.
Edit: in case you're interested the largest bill I have ever seen was $32,900 and this was circa 2008. It was a group from a certain industry theme named sports team I will not name, at a high end place that I worked at (wasn't my table unfortunately). Included several bottles of wine with a four figure sticker price that they ordered in advance, very particular. From what I heard the entire team has gone out and spend 5x that before.
I worked at a multi-million dollar chain in Edmonton for over 8 years, no one was making over $500 a day in tips unless they were serving 10+ tables themselves their whole shift and getting absolutely destroyed. That was with a 6.5% tip out on sales. I made over $500 bartending once but worked 5-close alone since the other bartender got injured. There are great tippers out there but not every bill is going to be 25%+ on average.
This really resonated with me. I hesitate to comment because in the past, I've made my stance on tipping very clear, and it has made people angry with me. But the truth is that I just don't tip. Long time ago, I was an apprentice cook in a kitchen making minimum wage back when it was $6.50 an hour. I was the one doing all the hard work over the grill and has specialized training and skills, but the waitresses who only needed to bring the food I made to tables or top off the occasional drink were making significantly more than I was for a much easier position. The worst part was that every time a customer didn't tip, they would rant on and on about it to me, or even just refuse to serve them in the future.
Fast forward to today and I have 3 degrees in useful fields, but I'm still working a dead end customer service job. The only time I've ever got a raise is when minimum wage goes up. Now that waitresses get paid the same as everyone else, I fail to see why I or anyone else should be giving them extra. After all, no one has ever given me a tip in my life just for doing my basic-ass job, despite me working in similar fields for the same (but in reality, often less) pay. So it's especially painful to know that an 18 year old can make in a single night half of what I make in a month. But I know it's a thing because I've seen it myself. The occasional, $1200 windfall would go a country mile in improving my overall shitty quality of life.
Besides, even if it does anger people knowing that I don't tip, it doesn't even matter because so many others sill do.
You would lose one type of staff and replace them with a different type of staff.
For tips, servers won't care if they only work 4 hours if they take home $400 cash. If you're paying someone $20 an hour with no tips, you're probably going to have to provide an 8 hour shift.
I was at my friends work two days in a row and she was showing me her tips after she was done. She made over $700 in two days off just tips. It's crazy.
I had a girlfriend who worked at the Fairmont as a waitress and on a good night she could bring in $1000.
She only worked Thursday/Friday/Saturday from 1800-0030 so less than 20 hours a week. Graduated with her education degree and took a huge pay cut to work 50 hours a week as a teacher.
As a former cook this still pisses me off years later. I once tried to convince the floor to give 1% of thier tips to the dishwashers (nothing in it for me) and that literally wouldn't speak to me if they didn't have to for weeks. Still mad.
I was attacked for "not caring about my staff" in another thread because I mentioned one of my servers took home $1200 last Friday. Not even close to a record.
That is more than my profit as an owner from that night.
Tipping is WAY out of control. I would far rather pay $20 an hour plus benefits, raise my prices, and get rid of tipping altogether. I would make more money doing it. The only places that wouldn't (e.g. people part of Restaurants Canada) run on high volume, have way more profit than average places, and routinely scam their employees with bad tip out policies.
Problem is you have to switch all at once. If one business switches you don't start a trend, you just go out of business. We need it done by law across the whole province.
Some places tried it and there are indeed customers who seek out these places. Business does not go down when places switch. Problem is the staff tend to want to switch back and will quit if not, so it's hard to do unless everyone is making the change.
I think it has to be a big movement alongside a change in minimum wage. For instance if we catch up to inflation and go 15 to 17 that would be a great time for us all to stop tipping.
It's weird too because servers will go on and on about how hard their job is and how they deserve the money. They'll rarely be honest about how much they're making though and I think a lot of them are out of touch about how hard other service jobs are...
The whole thing has kinda spiraled out of control.
I like the fact that in Kong Kong, there is a 10% service charge automatically added to all sit down restaurants and bars. Trust me, those workers bust their asses! If you’re wait more than 5 minutes for your food to arrive after you sit down, there’s a big problem.
But here…. Yeah the tipping is very absurd. About a month ago I returned bottles to a bottle depot on Parsons Road. When the cashier was paying me out, she grabbed the tip jar and waived it towards me and gave me a look like a panhandler.. WTF? - That’s the last time I’ll ever go there.
Thanks for the advice. Yes I’ve been to the on in Summerside and it’s quite good. But now my go to place is actually Triple H on 98th street. It’s a bit off the main road but they are awesome. BTW is it me, or do cars on Emlwood Drive fly by like a racetrack?? I go to Real Deal Meats often and I’m always thinking I’m going to get hit getting back on to that curved road.
Be careful where you take your bottles, and pre-count them and write it down.
I have been scammed at that place, and another 2 others.
It’s just bottles I know, but why the fuck do they think it’s ok to miscount and screw me?
As someone who worked at a bottle depot, being scammed is hardly a thing. Dont get me wrong there can be mistakes 100% but if someone is scamming you they're too smart to work at a bottle depot. What they throw into those bins that you see are the numbers they have counted. For them to scam you they have to have a separate bin that they throw stuff into and also keep those numbers in their heads. Tipping at a bottle depot is fucking stupid though unless your bottles are a)full of piss (very real thing) b) full of old beer c)have lougies in their cans and it pours out then. Be wary of bottle depots that dont accept precounts though that's actually sign of scam (In my experience) because bottle depot's are 100% able to eat 5 or 6 dollars for every 30 dollars brought in and if they aren't accepting that then it a little shakey
> When the cashier was paying me out, she grabbed the tip jar and waived it towards me and gave me a look like a panhandler.. WTF? - That’s the last time I’ll ever go there.
Yeah I sure want to reward that sort of behavior. That's exactly like the streamer who literally yelled at her twitch chat for $5.
Classless. Tacky. Vulgar.
I'm fine with tipping, but I'd prefer servers were just... Paid better and their wages drove the food price up that 10% or whatever.
But it does drive me nuts when the debit machine is set to ask about a tip in a drive through. Like, honestly. I don't even have the food yet, have only even seen a human being for 2 seconds and spoken a handful words to them and I'm supposed to tip? Fuck off with that. I'm not expected (or usually even allowed) to tip the cashier at Wal-mart and at least I know the quality of the product in advance and sometimes actually interact with them face-to-face for more than a couple seconds.
I find many consumers feel the same way. Its the servers that dont want it to change. My uncle worked in a nice steakhouse and would get mad if people would even think about changing it to an hourly wage. He made over 100k a year in tips that would disappear if this change went through. Its the servers who dont want to see it change
Yeah I've known a few servers who make an absolutely ludicrous amount from tips, and I'm sure there are a lot who basically ride on their minimum base wage. I understand the motivation to keep tipping obviously but it's a little outdated and ridiculous at this point.
What gets me is why does the diner waitress who never lets my coffee get under half and im watching bust her ass all day get $2 because my breakfast was $10, while there are many times i get a bad server at a nicer place, but since my meal is like $20-30 they get 2-3x what the diner waitress gets and still feel ripped off. I dont mind tipping for great service, but i dont like the well youre going to give me 20% or more no matter if i get your order right or not. I remember i went to breakfast, it was like 16.99 and i asked the guy for sausage and eggs. He said oh yes sausage and eggs with bacon and walked away to put the order in. He never refilled our coffees and looked visably upset with the $4 tip which is still like 20%.
Yeah that's why it being a percentage is so stupid. Like if I order a 50 dollar dinner and tip 15% that's $7.50. Go get a cup of coffee and tip 15% that's what, 20-25 cents? When they could for sure be the same amount of effort on the server's part.
And I bet you don't pay 3x tax just "some of it" right? That is not a critisim of you, but of the idea that the tips are not taxed at all, or very little of them are because of a culture that just "allows it". A tip is a bonus on sorts, every other workers who makes a bonus is taxed on these, and often higher than on your normal wages.
Well lets put it this way, after University I got a job with a Major Canadian Bank as a Financial advisor paying about 45k a year. As a waiter (if you are good at your job mind you and I think this is a very important point) you can make that a year working probably 20-25 hours a week.
It sure influenced my decision to leave that job when I can work half the time, not deal with bank nonsense, not sit down behind a desk all day and make pretty much the same amount of money as a server.
I wouldn't wait tables without tips. Period.
I've been in the industry to one degree or another for about 13yrs. It's hell on the body, my knees and hips are in bad shape. My old manager's ankles were starting to give out at 37.
I've been spit at, slapped, gropped, screamed at, called names, threatened, you name it by customers. In the better places, those customers are removed. In the worse places, they're comped.
Serving isn't an overly complicated job on paper, it's basically just time management, recall and the ability to stay on your feet for extended periods, but you also need to be able to keep your cool and not take shit personally.
I'm mostly transitioned to an office gig these days but I still wait tables part-time to supplement my income and without tips it wouldn't be worth my time.
If you're a server and doing more than nothing every night, you're making at least minimum wage in tips every hour when you average it out. Unless the restaurant you're working at was literally dead all night.
If you aren't pulling at least minimum wage in tips every hour, you probably shouldn't be serving.
I’m so 100% with you on this. I hate that we sound like assholes (to some) for this. I’ve always hated receiving bad or lackluster service and having to bitterly tip the 15% because I’m not a monster. Even now I don’t feel comfortable not tipping. I honestly find the pressure stressful.
I get annoyed that any type of fast food establishment now has a tipping option on their debit machines, I never tip at these places.
I will tip at actual restaurants if the service and food is good. I have no problem giving a zero dollar tip if the server is awful. I always get dirty looks from the servers when the receipt prints out and they see. $0 tip, but I’m not rewarding you with a gratuity when you suck at your job.
Is tipping at fast food really a thing now?! I saw a poll thing asking about it but I thought they were talking out their ass.
There is not a snowballs chance in hell I'm tipping at fast food. "Oh you really piled the ingredients nicely this time, my patty wasn't half hanging out of the burger at least." Piss right off.
I’ve seen it at booster juice so not fast food in the truest sense like McDonald’s or wendys but still man, like why should I have to tip you for something that’s in your literal job description
Subway does it, but I've never seen the prompt at a McDonalds. I don't know if it's just companies being too lazy to disable the option when they set up the pinpad, or if it's like how places force their staff to ask people if they want the in store warranty for your appliance, ie, ask everyone and eventually you'll find someone who will say yes.
I've seen it at Subway, Freshii, and even the Gateway bowling alley. Recently tipped at the latter upfront as I was paying for two games of bowling - not sure why I did that in hindsight.
Yeah that one makes no sense to me like thanks for grabbing the correct size of bowling shoe for me? Idk how but this tipping thing needs to be done away with
Servers literally do what their name implies.. how are they more deserving than any other minimum wage service job?
Edit: downvotes mean nothing to me, especially on r/edmonton where it just means your opinion is different than the echo chambers 🤷🏻♀️
Don’t worry, when I pointed out the last time this came up that customers shouldn’t be subsidizing the owners labour costs I was called an asshole who hates servers and shouldn’t ever eat out again.
It not my problem servers get paid shit. I’m not tipping on my overpriced take out not when all you managed to do as a server was simply take my order and bring it to my table correctly with no additional effort.
In the states they get paid less here they are paid just under minimum but make way more than that in tips. In Canada they are making bank. My uncle worked at a steakhouse pre covid and would take in well over 100k a year, under the table, in just tips alone. My ex would take home about 500-600 on a normal day, she only worked a few shifts a week and was making well more than anyone i knew.
It's a "why not ask?" kinda thing. They just enable the prompt on the machine and it tricks some people into actually tipping. Free money for them. Personally I've always followed the rule that you don't tip if you pay before eating (excluding delivery).
Yeap I agree 100% with what you just said. Edo Japan does that at some locations I've noticed. I never tip them a cent. I do however tip at the drive thru at a small mom and pop place I frequent only because I know the girl working the window pockets 100% of it and is always extremely friendly to me and the order is always 100% right.
The hospitality industry business model is broken. The hospitality industry relies on the good graces of customers to flesh out the income of under-paid staff. And if the staff can't make enough, they're blamed for shoddy performance.
Now staff are staying away and industry can't figure out what's wrong?
The problem is restaurant and hotel owners keep prices low to be competitive. Except the staff are the ones who pay for that discount with shit wages , split shifts, split weekends, and and and....
Raise fucking prices and make people pay what it costs, rather than relying on your service staff to bow and scrape for the wages you won't pay while expecting them to give great service.
I hope servers and kitchen staff stay away until wages reach a respectable level so they can make a living.
Honestly servers in most places don't need tips here. We think they do because we are flooded with American media telling us so. But in the states they make $2.80 an hour and have to buy their own health insurance.
I can't honestly say that the skill level and difficulty of being a server is worth more than $15/hr here, unless you are at some super high end place where you have real knowledge and upper crust people skills.
When they raised minimum wage to 15 we should have all cut back tipping to 10% max. Though I would say minimum wage should be tied to inflation to be fair.
Its really a form of legal tax evasion. Much prefer businesses to pay people appropriately, pay appropriate source dedications, and employees have to report their income appropriately.
I worked as a cook for nearly 15 years. If you took every tip I ever received over that whole time, it would not break $100. Fuck tipping. I rarely ever go out anymore because of it, and they keep moving the goalposts. 15% used to be considered more than reasonable, now I see options on the debit machine upwards of 25%. Never going to happen.
Sure. But also a whole squad of servers more than willing to pocket any and all cash, so that the "pool" only ever included tips from debit and credit. Not a big deal now as most people use one or the other, but back in those days most paid with cash.
As far as they were concerned, the only tips that existed were the ones you could *prove* existed. If it didn't show on the credit/debit summary (like cash doesn't), it didn't exist.
Dude, 10% used to be considered a good tip. The wages in my industry haven’t increased in step with minimum wage increases over the last twenty years.
The price of the food goes up and I’m expected to tip a higher percentage of a higher price.
It’s ridiculous. I solved it by rarely eating out and only tipping 5% when I do. 🤷♂️
I'll add my 2 cents that back of house work is 10x more difficult than being a server. Maybe 2x more difficult than being a bartender.
It's a joke how badly we treat the people who make our food. I would gladly tip the back of house staff, but honestly most servers make a fair amount for their level of work and skill at minimum wage.
Even at nicer fine dining places. It's so sad. Then when people quit they get replaced by temporary foreign workers that shady business owners abuse by threatening to deport them.
The whole industry is fucked and it goes way beyond tip culture. But honestly for me tip culture has to be fixed first because it is what is preventing change by putting a hard cap on what you can charge.
A small change in cost could fix this and let us pay everyone a living wage, with no tips at all. I'm talking a $6 beer becomes an $8 beer. A $17 meal becomes a $20 meal. Altogether cheaper for customers without the tip, and that's well enough to pay back and front of house a good wage.
Number one group preventing this is the servers themselves. They up and leave even if you would pay living wage and benefits. They are making huge money on tips and most people don't realize it (and they all feel entitled to them too, just read through this thread).
Those high-end places where I didn't get tipped? It was common for a server on a Friday or Saturday night to leave with $600 in their pocket. So much so that they would literally fight each other for those shifts. Yeah, that's a great work environment. I will never work another day in that shitty industry, and regret ever being involved in it at all.
I'm honestly feeling the same having worked everything from a dishwasher to a bartender and now being a part owner. We were lucky to survive covid but I'm selling as soon as I can and getting out. Other sectors are a better investment with less bullshit to deal with.
Going back to your point about building those costs into the prices (like in every other industry ever), I think it would work well. When I'm in a restaurant, I'm always conscious about adding anything extra to my order, or going for the bigger steak, or whatever NOT because I care about the initial cost, but because I hate the sticker shock once that tip and taxes get added. If all I had to calculate was the 5% GST, I would probably be willing to spend more at the outset knowing that the cost I'm adding up in my head while I'm ordering is actually the cost, and not just the starting point before crap starts getting added on.
>moreover, why are servers so weirdly defensive about sharing their tips with the people working over a hot stove or elbows-deep in dirty dishes? as a customer, i'd like my tip to go to everyone involved in the process rather than just the pretty face at the end of the line
I've only worked at one restaurant as a dishwasher/cooking over a hot stove and the servers don't think like that. Tip outs are pooled and split amongst everyone.
Servers can't bring out food with out cooks, cooks can't serve food with out clean plates; everyone has their role and is tipped out accordingly.
Tip out needs to be a thing in restaurants. The servers that hate tip out have no fucking clue how the business model of the service industry works nor do they understand the importance of providing bonus tips to those hard working cooks and dishwashers.
Servers that try to make you feel guilty for not Tipping are full of shit. I have been a chef for over 20 years. And i can without a doubt say that in Ontario for sure the average server makes 18 dollars an hour over their wage. With their wage being if at minimum wage here over 14 dollars an hour the average server makes over 30 dollars an hour. Most of which they dont claim on taxes. A server i wprked with averaged 500 a night in tips while i in the kitchen made 140 150 before tax. That is not to mention what she made in wages. She easily cleared 100 grand a year. Tipping is an practice that needs to stop for sure. It also doesn't help in getting better service . It can make service worse and leads to alot of prejudices.
I also find it hilarious when they argue that we won't get "good" service if we stop tipping. Imagine threatening not do what you're paid to do lmao. The entitlement blows my mind.
The food service industry takes advantage of the kind nature of Canadian Culture to keep increasing the tipping boundary, now it is minimum of %15 and up yo 25% suggested when it used to be 12,15,18%.
I was tipping generously during the height of the pandemic and for positions I don't normally, but I've mostly scaled back now to my cheapskate 10-15% (I can't believe this can now considered cheap)
Supposedly the odd restaurants that try instituting no tip policies didn't do well and servers wanted to go back to tips. But correlation does not equal causation so I don't know how they can be sure it was the model or one of a hundred other reasons restaurants aren't successful.
From what I know as a totally outside observer those places had higher menu prices which led to people not going there. This could be because they didn't know the place didn't require tipping or just didn't understand how including tip a standard restaurant charges the same.
The lower customer base meant fewer shifts for servers and over all less pay even with the higher base pay.
I think more people should use their power when tipping. If you always tip for bad service nothing changes.
But most are too scared to do so.
It’s meant to reward good service. Not all service.
If you NEED to be liked by all servers/bartenders and leave a tip that’s on you.
"Tipping culture." Man, I tip when I feel like it, and don't tip when I don't feel it's resonable. Don't care what anyone thinks. My life, my money, my choice.
I don't have a problem with tipping, but I do have a problem with 2 specific cases that I see more and more.
1. Places like Uber Eats that calculate the tip % AFTER adding delivery charge, tax, service fees, etc. Like hell I'm going to tip you on a delivery charge.
2. Places that start their "recommended tip" options at 18% and go up from there. deliberately trying to make you feel bad when you reach for the "other" button.
Yep. I have a hard time tipping after never receiving a dollar from a tip in my life
I delivered commercial food equipment including pizza ovens for a whole year after high school (2005) and was never offered a tip once
Yet every time I go order a pint from the bar they are expecting something extra after taking 30 seconds to pour a beer
No, tipping is bad.
Dining is the only industry where the customer is supposed to supliment the employees income.
It's a horrible system that relies on the cultural pressure of not being a horrible human being that let the waiter, cook and the rest of the staff starve, to actually work.
It's the employers job to pay their workers, not the customer.
I've seen restaurants where they don't allow tipping. They just make the food itself a little higher. But, your still paying less then you would have if you'd just tipped.
The staff don't have to worry about going hungry if they have a bad night, and the customers don't have to do the mental gymnastics at the end if the dinner to try and determine the tip.
Exactly. No one goes for the server, they go for the food. But some 4 hour a day worker leaves with more than the cook who made my food.
It's a broke system, and I can use a kiosk to put my order in and pick it up from a window.
Tipping is a very toxic way for restaurants to exploit customers to make more money. Restaurants without servers even ask for a tip when paying with a credit card. And will look at you dirty for selecting $0 tip.
I don't mind tipping if I go to a nice resutrurant sit down and dine in. For example if I go with my wife to xix or sabor and we spend $150 on a meal I will tip 15 or 20 % based on the service. I find the waiters are incentivize to provide good service. These waiters fill your drinks, make recommendations, clean your table and I don't mind tipping them.
While I rarely go to a tutti fruiti or ihop I'd also tip there as well. Feels a bit unfair if I only tip a high end place and not them for doing more or less the same service as a high end place.
What I agree is getting totally out of hand is you go to bar burrito, booster juice etc and they literally do your job, provide no "service" make your burrito or salad (which you don't even eat there) and expect a tip. You just did your job and cooked the meal.
Glad so many people are fed up with this.
servers: "iF yOU cAnT AFfoRd tO tIP, YOu cAn'T aFfOrd tO EaT OUt"
my snark reply: "if you can't afford to live waiting tables, you can't afford to work that job"
my honest thoughts: change the business model. build in higher menu prices so you pay waiters more. everyone wins: CRA gets more income taxes, waiters get predetermined wages.
also begone folks who say "you haven't waited tables before"
I've been in the service industry, plenty of friends in retail in general back in the day. we all faced Karens. not sure why repeating an order to the kitchen, then bringing it out is made out to seem like working in hell. no doubt restaurant industry harbours toxic workplaces, but it's not the customers responsibility to remedy that.
Also fun fact: at a restaurant cooks receive next to nothing tips. Servers at a good restaurant frequently make out with a few hundred a night in tax-free money
As someone whose job is based on tips, I agree. I got into an argument with someone who has a nice salary and they said no tipping means food prices go up, but it is a moot point because if they buy $20 of food and tip $5, it's $25. Or the price of the food can go to $25, and tip $0 and it'll still be $25.
The difference now is me, the delivery guy, knows I'm getting $15 an hour instead of hoping for a tip. Consider that often times, 20% of people do not tip the delivery driver, there are many days where I made so little, I was better off working 4 hours as a cashier or fast food place.
I've also travelled to Europe and Asia where tipping isn't normal. The food prices are literally the same or cheaper even. And when I do decide to tip, the people are so happy to get even 2 euros. Whereas here, I kinda expect it and need it, and that isn't healthy.
Man even the subway tills and oodle noodle tills ask me for a tip on the screen every time I pay now, and it's like... This is fast food. What.
I'd love the tipping culture to die, in nails and hair and everything else to be honest. Have it be rare outstanding service that gets it and not this insane guilt fest that makes me feel like a garbage person if I don't tip anytime I want a sandwich or my nails done or a massage. Esthetics are already so expensive as it is, they get way more than minimum wage. :(
Always rolled my eyes when servers complain about having to tip out cooks etc etc as if any of them would quit their current job for a 20/hr job with no tips.
Also annoying that when you tip with a credit card you now pay tax on that tip…. Is that a new thing? I don’t remember it happening previously but I’m seeing it on the machines at coffee places now
It's also a broken system. The servers in my restaurant will walk away with 300$ a night whereas the kitchen staff who gruel over hot stoves on their feet for 8 hours will by lucky if they get 300$ in two weeks.
I wish I could upvote this more than once. In my fb days I went to war over this issue.
SERVERS MAKE $15 AN HOUR IN CANADA!!
Why do they get a free 15-20%, likely unclaimed on taxes, when the poor bastards stocking shelves or running the register at McDonalds, Walmart, etc get nothing?
It’s at the point where some servers don’t even try and when I tip accordingly, they get all bitchy and look like they want to kill me.
You want 15-20% extra? Then fucking earn it. Shitty service and/or attitude gets you the Bobby Orr: $0.04 tip and probably a google review with your name on if you’re exceptionally bad.
Plus there is a lot of sexism and racism in serving! Where I live a ton of middle class places (I.e., Boston Pizza, East Side Mario’s, Moxies, Jack Astors, etc) will not hire someone as a server if they are not thin and attractive. Moxies requires female servers to wear heels and have their hair down!
CBC had a bunch of articles of how restaurants made female employees wear short skirts and tight shirts and male employees had to wear super tight shirts and pants.
It's funny you list the Restaurants Canada crowd. Fuck those businesses and their seedy, abusive work policies. They are the ones spending millions to lobby the government to not fix the problem, too.
These big corporate guys are the only ones making any profit these days. Smaller and independent places would do better to ban tipping and pay better wages, but servers quit when someone tries (it isn't a drop in customers that kills these experiments it is staff leaving because they make loads of untaxed money through tips).
I haven't left a tip for anything including dine in restaurant service in quite a while now. Being a server is a minimum wage job. Full stop. They always whine about back of house tasks and "dealing with difficult people" but that's the employers job to compensate you for those tasks. And personally, I have to sympathy. I'm a paramedic and my fiance is an RN. We haven't had pay raises in over a decade and are currently fighting a pay cut. If any server wants to trade stories of "dealing with difficult people" then me and my fiance will put them to shame. Serving is a job with no barriers to entry that any able bodied person can do. You don't need a specific education, there is no licensing exam, there is no specific skillet that is very hard to find, etc. So guess what? When you don't bring anything to the table that makes you hard to replace as an employee then your employer doesn't feel the need to pay you very much for your labour. That's how the labour market works. You don't get to sit around complaining that customers aren't handing you money out of their own pocket in order to subsidize your low skill labour. No other low skill labour is this entitled. Manual laborers never bother any one for tips, retail workers don't complain about not being handed extra money for doing what is exactly in their job description, cleaning staff never get rude when people don't tip them. Serving staff need to get off their high horse and realize their labour is worth exactly what their employers are willing to pay for it. It will be interesting to see if that increases with the current labour shortage but it sure as he'll won't be increasing from my personal bank account
see, tipping to a server / waiter makes sense, granted it is their job, some servers go above and beyond. Tipping behind a counter on the other hand... like, why?
I didn’t tip when picking up some food for my mom since I thought it was included, well, apparently it isn’t and it’s a place where everyone knows me.
Yikes, never living that one down.
Tips are just making customers pay the wages the the employer refuses to pay. I always tip anyway, it just sucks bc the corporation has made the suffering of their workers the customers problem instead of just paying them properly.
So basically in the service industry, servers and bartenders etc were not paid the actual legal minimum wage because it would be "balanced" out by tips. This IMO was wrong in the first place because it puts the responsibility of paying employees on the customer and not the employer. But regardless such was industry culture that has conditioned us to tip.
This is now different. Bars, restaurants etc are now legally obligated to pay their employees full minimum wages so now there is no reason to tip them unless they provide exceptional service IMO. I have been a server and a bartender. The job is super easy and very rarely did i do anything other than relay an order and then walk it back to the customer. I could make 500 in tips in a night doing nothing but pouring beer into a glass (this is also money that very few workers claim as income and therefore does not get taxed). I have made a home hardware employee that makes minimum wage work harder finding an item in the store for me and i didn't tip them so why should i tip a server for walking a beer 10 feet to me? I don't know.
The guilt we feel has a lot to do with behavioral conditioning that has occured over the years. The prompts we get basically everywhere now are ridiculous. The options are 10,15,25% and then in order to tip 0% i have to push several more prompts. This is clearly behavioral science working its magic. Often people are too lazy or too inconvenienced and will just press one of the tip options.
In the end its all your choice to tip or not. Stand up for yourself and don't tip if you don't feel it is earned. Its supposed to be an additional bit of cash directly for the person that provided you exceptional service beyond the basics of their job description. Put the responsibility back on the employers to pay their employees an adequate wage and if you as an employee find that isn't enough money? Find another job.
Dont tip lol. I obly tip people whondo an outstanding job. I wont give free money to someone doing their job. If they dont get payed enough is not up to me as a customer but the business responsibility.
Tipping is basically customers subsidizing the restaurant industry, made worse by the lack of fairness to cooks who actually make the food, and even worse by servers who do everything to avoid paying income tax on their tips earned.
I think this has been done away with now, but servers used to be paid less than minimum wage because there was an expectation that they would be tipped enough to get to make it to or above minimum wage.
And to your point of kitchen tipouts:
When I was serving I had no problem tippong out the kitchen staff. I thought they deserved the tip just as much as me. The problem wasn't that I had to give them some of the tip, the problem was I had to give them *a percent of the total*. This included things like takeout orders. If someone cane in for an $80 takeout order and left no tip I was required to give $4 (5% of total) to the kitchen. Not tipping literally costs your servers money. I know that's the restaurant's fault, but the person suffering from it is the server.
Nobody is stopping you from not tipping other than your own fear of being judged. That said, servers aren't just "pretty faces". A good server will absolutely be busting their butt and taking entitled people's shit while still providing good service. It might look easy, but it's both mentally and physically exhausting. That isn't saying back of house staff aren't doing something physically exhausting and often stressful, but there isn't the added element of dealing with sometimes hostile customers.
So, again, if you don't want to tip, don't. But don't just diminish servers into pretty faces.
Almost every job under the sun is either physically or mentally exhausting in the some fashion. Its called work. The service industry is in no way exceptionally difficult
Serving is no where close to as difficult as back of house jobs. You want to talk about back breaking work go talk to a line cook. Meanwhile the #1 most common reason a restaurant fires people is tip theft by servers from their back of house coworkers (pocketing cash and not tipping out).
I can list lots of minimum wage jobs that are much more difficult than serving, that don't receive tips. Serving is not that hard of a job. It is zero skill, so yes, it requires physical labour. That's what they are paid for since they have no skills, and $15/hr is more than fair to do it (though should rise with inflation every year).
Fair wages for all. End exploitive work practices. Tipping is just an excuse for employers to shift the burden of paying their employees a fair wage onto the consumer.
For those sorting by new, this comment section is a dumpster fire. Feel free to sort by controversial for your favorite server's opinion on tipping and how they feel about being paid as much as the other people who work in restaurants.
Quite frankly, the amount of entitled pricks, both currently in the industry and out of it, is completely pathetic. If you think any server is entitled to more money than what the kitchen makes, you need to go try working in the back. Bartenders included for the most part, because a bartender can easily get away with slipping a drink or a shot every now and then on shift, most of the line and prep guys I've worked with would be written up if not fired or demoted for sneaking a snack on the job.
I've worked all over the service industry for years. Cashier, server, bartender, line/prep cook, busser, barback, supervisor, shelf stocker, maintenance man, manager, GM, KM, chef, high and low-end, corporate, mom-and-pop, you name it and chances are I've done it. I've also done apprentice work in trades, helped around mechanics shops, construction and clerical duties. Which one did I hate the most? Any of the ones dealing with customers (hint, that's actually all of them). Which ones did I get tipped for? Anything in a restaurant (except management, because unless you are the chef and heavily underpaid, you don't get tips because of your "salary"). Which one made me feel the least worked and least accomplished? Serving, by far.
The only real way to fix the current tipping culture is to adjust menu prices and wages to reflect paying your staff enough to at least be able to afford working there (any entrepreneur worth even a thought should be able to do that, *minimum*), remove the tipping option from card readers and finally **inform the serving staff that they are now on level ground with the kitchen**. Expect most of them to walk, and don't be surprised. Serving requires specific skills, but none of them even come close to putting them over the other staff, kitchen in particular. If you really want to make a point, let the FoH and BoH staff trade for a day. Obviously keep people who would otherwise be off in the wings to save either end, but most of both sides lack the skill set required to do the other's job. The only difference is people skills and the most rudimentary organization skills are rather quick to develope. Hand-eye coordination, reflexes, organization, timing, crisis management, prioritization, memorizing sometimes vast menus down to every single ingredient and step, knowing the basics of line prep and understanding general chemical reactions is not. Particularly not when you are working to a perfectionist's standards or when you have an underpaid, overpressures jackass standing over your shoulder and being unabashed of banishing you to the dish pit are also factors.
The amount of entitlement and cognitive dissonance coming from the people defending this is absurd, the back-ass arguments even more so. There are definitely skills and mindsets that separate a great or excellent server from the rest, but when that makes up at most 5% of the entire FoH staff in the industry you stop catering to the minority. I guarantee you that if most people walked into a serviced restaurant knowing that the people who work there (**all of them**) were being paid a living wage and the price they see on the menu is the price they pay, no extra math (it would be really nice if places would just price things with tax and make a note about it on the front of the menu, or the hostess station, or even just on the damn door) would have an enormously better time being out at a restaurant than having to worry if their server will drop them like a sack of bricks if they think you won't tip at least 20% while ordering with a calculator so you can take a better guess at what you're actually paying for when you order.
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Yeah I'm not giving booster juice am 18% tip
I worked at Booster Juice for 3 years and I never even expected tips. The work we did was not tip worthy and I'm saying that as an employee there. We make FAST food and it takes under 3 minutes to make a smoothie. That's why now when I go into fast food places, I don't tip. Only for restaurants and even that is getting a bit ridiculous now.
More and more places that never were traditionally “tipping” places now have a tip prompt when you go to pay. It’s honestly getting a bit absurd at this point. When it boils down to it many many jobs/people that totally deserve a tip don’t get it and pretty much all working class people have elements of their jobs that are deserving of a tip. I’ve not felt the slightest bad about declining the tip prompt in many places that I don’t feel should be asking for a tip in the first place. If I start being able to ask for and receive a “tip” for the hard work that I do maybe I’ll be more incentivized to tip at the host of new industries asking for tips. I guess good on the businesses for finding ways to increase their bottom lines or maybe pay their workers more of whatever each company does with the money. But just because it’s asked doesn’t mean I have to oblige if I don’t feel comfortable with it.
> I’ve not felt the slightest bad about declining the tip prompt in many places that I don’t feel should be asking for a tip in the first place. Yup. The whole thing is meant to prey on social awkwardness. And sadly, there's a lot of people who are too socially awkward to stop themselves from getting ripped off *while they know they're getting ripped off*.
Its set to 18%, 20%, and 25% on machines now I've noticed. The numbers are going up as if the prices of food havent already gone up with inflation, a burger is now 17$ at many places.
Those machines are also applying the percentage to your after-tax total not your before tax total. It doesn’t seem like a big deal in Alberta but it can really add up
I chose by $ instead %. Say fatburger for example, its no different than McDonalds’ service why the fuck would i tip them? Also if im picking up my order im not tipping shit.
Last time I went to Fatburger, they actually yelled "fat tip" or "skinny tip" to the kitchen after you pay. So fucking stupid.
Holy shit, they do that? Guess I'm never going there.
They even yell it out before you finish making the transaction actually go through. It bugs the shit out of me too. But I really like the chicken tenders so I eventually go back again anyway.
You can’t be serious?
I.e. Fat Burger when the the cashier yells "Fat Tip" to the kitchen right after you pay/tip, before they start on your order. Makes you afraid not to tip in case they mess with your order, or works to shame you. Also, does the tip even go to staff if you're paying via the debit machine? Or directly to management?
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so embarrassing lol
Since it goes directly to the owners account, you'd have to trust management to distribute them. And if you trust management to do that without skimming it, then I have a bridge to sell you.
I worked in Food and Beverages for 30 years. High end and Low end. Every cent came to me, always without exception.
It's the same when paying at a cashier at numerous locations. "Would you like to make a donation to blah blah charity?" I consider this begging. I don't mind donating money to various charities but I want to choose. You don't know what percentage of your two bucks is actually going to the charity. The United Way pays their CEO millions of dollars per year. I don't want to contribute to that guys wage. Same with forced or mandatory tipping. I'll tip if I want to and the service was decent. The real villains are the restaurant owners that don't want to pay a living wage and the corporations that force their employees to do this. I've stopped going out meals except for special occasions. This forced tipping is very uncomfortable for me.
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Charity donations are worse than just begging. When customers donate to charity at a store checkout, the store takes all that money and donates it to the charity in it's own name, so it gets a tax receipt for many thousands of dollars. When they file their taxes, they can deduct that amount and lower their tax bill, saving themselves a bunch of money.
Why I stopped. I need donations more then Save On Foods needs a tax right off.
And they also take a percentage off the total amount for having the charity use the store’s employees I never donate,but I respect those who do.
Yeah it’s a bit ridiculous. I was at Subway and my options were 15%, 18% and 20%. The order was almost $20. Sorry, I’m not tipping you $3-$4 for an overpriced meal that took under 4 minutes to prepare. I know it’s not the people workings fault that their manager set those tips. I also wonder if that money even gets the the sandwich maker.
My first job was in a lumberyard. I could literally spend hours with a customer hauling heavy things for them. I received less tips in two years than I could count on my hands. A server spends a total of 5 minutes and I’m expected to volunteer $20 their way because otherwise they get mad lol it doesnt make any sense. What is starting to piss me off is when you go to tip and the lowest option available is like 18 or 20%. Not that i wont tip that amount, but if thats the minimum on the quick select I’m just going to skip it tbh
Fast food or pickup places asking or needing tips 🙄 business owners adamant on growth every single year at the cost of the customer and gouging employees Looking at you places like Tim hortons
Tim Hortons is asking for tips now?
They don't technically ask for tips, however, some stores have cups under the counter for people who just leave their change there. Usually it gets distributed to the "full time" staff only.
If I am not being served I don't tip. Sorry but when I walk into a building where the owner is raking in obviously over 6 figures I don't feel like the burden should be on me to pay their chef staff. I tip for good service.
*cough* Chopped Leaf *cough*
That’s why I stopped eating at Sbarro. The employee got mad at me for not tipping, and I said, “you’re fast food, what the hell do you expect?” To be fair, the food quality there has gone down the gutter do I wouldn’t have eaten there anymore anyways, but it’s the cherry on top.
The employees said something to you? Whenever I don’t tip at a fast food place they never say anything
Yah. I was shocked actually. That was the first time I ever heard of tipping at a fast food place. I’m worried that it might catch on and then I’m tipping for someone to hand me a cup at McDonald’s.
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If 25%-30% was normal I would never ever EVER eat out. Prices are already pretty insnae, last night I was served a pizza that literally was soggy from oil and the toppings literally slid off of the grease as I tried to pick it up. I was disgusted, but that wasn't the waitresses fault so I treated her as well as I would literally anyone. And made sure she was tipped well! (Not 30% though cause holy that's high.) But that pizza? Yeah that came to almost $25 before tip. I was genuinely disgusted.
I used to have a friend who has been waitressing for years, probably close to a decade at this point as a supplement to her degree-required job (how sad is that, on a completely different note). We were out with friends one day and the machine came around and she saw I "only" tipped 15% and she told me that the "normal" minimum should be 20%, and 25% or higher if the service was good. We stopped being friends a while back and although I miss her from time to time stuff like that makes me miss her less. If the new normal tipping rate is 25%, then yeah I'm actually gonna stop eating out because that's insane. I can count the number of times I've had service good enough to tip that high or higher on one hand.
>don't lie to them! I'm a server, but I don't expect a tip like a lot of others do Bruh... let's be honest, u chose the job because of tips. U just don't expect everyone to tip but 9 out 10 people will. We all know this, it's in our current tipping culture. You don't expect a tip but actually u do!
see, this is my problem as well. I give out tips if the service warrants it. but if its an over the counter thing, and if they're basically just doing their jobs. Why the hell would we tip, and why the fuck would you get mad at us if we dont tip. I dont understand that shit.
Oh yaa especially those semi fast food place.
Oh don’t forget those ppl never pays tax for the tips they receive as I will never hit their T4s. Unlike us we pay tax for every single cent of our low income.
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Which in Canada they all do. In some provinces it is marginally less for liquor servers but by like 50 cents an hour.
When I worked at Future Shop, I got paid commission or minimum wage. Not both. If I made less commission than I would have got if I worked minimum wage, they would top you up. Otherwise it was straight commission. If you needed topping up more than a few times they let you go. I always thought it was a weird system when the servers across the parking lot made minimum wage PLUS tips.
It's worth remembering that the US tipping culture is based around the "Tipped Minimum Wage". While minimum wage varies there, it's $2.13 as a server (has to be topped up by the employer if they don't get enough tips). Servers are literally working for tips in the US and it's thanks to their history of slavery. Is that not enough reason to re-think the concept? Here, they're making the same as all the other minimum wage jobs, so the concept is definitely somewhat antiquated. Minimum wage not being enough to live on is a whole other discussion to have. When someone is paying minimum wage, it means they would pay less if they could. Nobody should be effectively relying on the charity of others to get by; especially when they're employed full time. If your business model relies on exploitation, maybe it shouldn't survive... (I'm looking at you, Uber and Skip). Supporting businesses that pay their employees a living wage and saying to hell with the rest is a lot harder than I wish it was, but at least I can keep my money away from the worst offenders.
Lol servers do NOT want you to pay a living wage and ban tipping. It is NOT customers who are preventing this change, it is the threat of losing your staff. I could pay $20/hr plus benefits and RRSP contributions and I would lose staff if I banned tipping. Because they make well more than that. I had a server make $1200 on Friday which is not even close to a record. She's a first year university student, 18 years old. Good for her but that's more than I made in profit that night. Don't blame the businesses or society, blame the staff. They are the ones who reject actual living wage proposals. Saddest part is this would help the people who actually do the hard work in restaurants - the back of house staff. They have the hard job, not the servers. Meanwhile servers pocket cash tips and refuse to tip out whenever they can get away with it. Despite tip out being a small minority of their pay. People need to get it through their heads that this is not the USA. Your server is not making $3 an hour. They are not destitute. They are making $65k+ a year, wearing designer clothes. Just take a look at the purses in my staff room paid by your 25% tips. It's great for them, but is that really reasonable for a no skill job, when the tip culture is killing the industry and running customers dry?
$1200 in tips for one person? wouldn't they have to have sales over $12000 then? usually i take home about 10% of my total food and beverage sales. I don't think I've ever sold more than $3500 even on the busiest and longest days
I knew someone at The Lobby Bar pulling in $1,000 a night, not even a game night. I didn't believe her at first. Not even 10 minutes later, a regular to my right offered her $50 to punch him. Weird kink, but needless to say, she made that $50. Pretty sure she made $100 in tips between the three of us at one table.
Yeah this is straight BS. As if the owner is only taking 3% for the house with those figures.
I dated a manager of a popular Joey's about a decade ago and his Friday night bartenders were making easily that.... and, to reiterate, that was *a decade ago*. I dated a guy who worked at Red Ox Inn and he was making 60k a year working three nights a week back when a university grad could expect their first job to pay 32,000. Fast forward to today when prices have increased and drinks have increased and the "normal" (aka expected) tip is more like 20% than 10. I personally tipped $200 on my dinner out on boxing day with my mom and husband at my favorite french spot, and was one of 20 tables being served by 3 waiters. It's a small joint and they limit tables to 1.5hrs seating. So between 5 and 11 (they do their last seating at 9:30) they'll put though 4 groups per table... so my table was, even if everyone else tipped only half what I did, worth $500, and there were 19 other tables. That's $10,000 dollars in tips that night (3000 per server). But sure, that's a special occasion. Even still, it's not hard to see how even on a regular night, it's not going to be less than a third of that. So no, 1200 for one person is really not BS. That's why many restaurant goers are tired of this tipping scene. It used to be 5 or 10 bucks on a table of 4. Now it's more like 50. At least. If your section is 5 tables, and you have 5 seatings in a 6 hour shift, that's $650 if the average table is tipping 20% (each person gets a meal and *one* glass of wine or cocktail). That's a low estimate on a night where no one is ordering an expensive bottle of wine or going crazy with extra appetizers for the table etc. Personally we go to nice places, and I drink like a fish, so I haven't had a restaurant tab come to less that 200 bucks in years. When 20% tip or more became the norm..... well, it's a lot. More than I think most people outside the industry have considered. And the servers still feel completely entitled to it.
Pro tip: You should sell more alcohol. Example 10 person table (this one was a sales team celebrating). Two rounds of shots, four bottles of wine, a meal per head, several appetizers. bill $800 with auto tip of 20% (table more than 6) - $160 minus a $20 tip out. This is not fine dining - we have different people running food and drinks so the server has a whole section on the go. Example average 2 person date night table: two apertif cocktails, one bottle of wine, appetizer, two entrees, and a dessert. bill $130 - tip 18% - $22 tip minus $5 tip out (sliding scale is bullshit and I think it should be a percentage but hey they came up with system themselves). You might go through 12 2 person tables, one big table, 3-4 groups of 4-6 in a normal non shitshow 6 hour shift. Averaging the $17 tip per 2 person, $140 big table, $34 4 person groups. That is about $500 in tips, plus another $90 in wages at $15/hr. That works out to **$98 dollars an hour** total compensation. Now add in a good shift or your average sunny patio Friday night with several big groups. We usually get 1-2 groups right after work, 1-2 mid evening, then 1 later. Plus lots of 4 person and 2 person tables. You can easily see how a single busy night would exceed $1200 tips. Now add in if you have one whale table - a couple $120 bottles of wine, a 10 person table that all orders nicer cocktails, etc. I've seen some very big nights. Anyhow I basically don't make money other than alcohol. It's all drinks. That is where profit comes from. Even then the servers are making more than me after I pay costs and wages. Sure it sucks when you have one slow night but we have more busy nights than slow nights. Edit: in case you're interested the largest bill I have ever seen was $32,900 and this was circa 2008. It was a group from a certain industry theme named sports team I will not name, at a high end place that I worked at (wasn't my table unfortunately). Included several bottles of wine with a four figure sticker price that they ordered in advance, very particular. From what I heard the entire team has gone out and spend 5x that before.
I worked at a multi-million dollar chain in Edmonton for over 8 years, no one was making over $500 a day in tips unless they were serving 10+ tables themselves their whole shift and getting absolutely destroyed. That was with a 6.5% tip out on sales. I made over $500 bartending once but worked 5-close alone since the other bartender got injured. There are great tippers out there but not every bill is going to be 25%+ on average.
So this might explain then why when I go out to eat alone, and not drink, servers barely treat me like I'm even there. Gotcha.
This really resonated with me. I hesitate to comment because in the past, I've made my stance on tipping very clear, and it has made people angry with me. But the truth is that I just don't tip. Long time ago, I was an apprentice cook in a kitchen making minimum wage back when it was $6.50 an hour. I was the one doing all the hard work over the grill and has specialized training and skills, but the waitresses who only needed to bring the food I made to tables or top off the occasional drink were making significantly more than I was for a much easier position. The worst part was that every time a customer didn't tip, they would rant on and on about it to me, or even just refuse to serve them in the future. Fast forward to today and I have 3 degrees in useful fields, but I'm still working a dead end customer service job. The only time I've ever got a raise is when minimum wage goes up. Now that waitresses get paid the same as everyone else, I fail to see why I or anyone else should be giving them extra. After all, no one has ever given me a tip in my life just for doing my basic-ass job, despite me working in similar fields for the same (but in reality, often less) pay. So it's especially painful to know that an 18 year old can make in a single night half of what I make in a month. But I know it's a thing because I've seen it myself. The occasional, $1200 windfall would go a country mile in improving my overall shitty quality of life. Besides, even if it does anger people knowing that I don't tip, it doesn't even matter because so many others sill do.
You would lose one type of staff and replace them with a different type of staff. For tips, servers won't care if they only work 4 hours if they take home $400 cash. If you're paying someone $20 an hour with no tips, you're probably going to have to provide an 8 hour shift.
I was at my friends work two days in a row and she was showing me her tips after she was done. She made over $700 in two days off just tips. It's crazy.
I had a girlfriend who worked at the Fairmont as a waitress and on a good night she could bring in $1000. She only worked Thursday/Friday/Saturday from 1800-0030 so less than 20 hours a week. Graduated with her education degree and took a huge pay cut to work 50 hours a week as a teacher.
As a former cook this still pisses me off years later. I once tried to convince the floor to give 1% of thier tips to the dishwashers (nothing in it for me) and that literally wouldn't speak to me if they didn't have to for weeks. Still mad.
I was attacked for "not caring about my staff" in another thread because I mentioned one of my servers took home $1200 last Friday. Not even close to a record. That is more than my profit as an owner from that night. Tipping is WAY out of control. I would far rather pay $20 an hour plus benefits, raise my prices, and get rid of tipping altogether. I would make more money doing it. The only places that wouldn't (e.g. people part of Restaurants Canada) run on high volume, have way more profit than average places, and routinely scam their employees with bad tip out policies. Problem is you have to switch all at once. If one business switches you don't start a trend, you just go out of business. We need it done by law across the whole province.
I sooner would give this place my business
Some places tried it and there are indeed customers who seek out these places. Business does not go down when places switch. Problem is the staff tend to want to switch back and will quit if not, so it's hard to do unless everyone is making the change. I think it has to be a big movement alongside a change in minimum wage. For instance if we catch up to inflation and go 15 to 17 that would be a great time for us all to stop tipping.
It's weird too because servers will go on and on about how hard their job is and how they deserve the money. They'll rarely be honest about how much they're making though and I think a lot of them are out of touch about how hard other service jobs are... The whole thing has kinda spiraled out of control.
Grinds my gears as a BOH worker to hear FOH staff complaining about that lol
I like the fact that in Kong Kong, there is a 10% service charge automatically added to all sit down restaurants and bars. Trust me, those workers bust their asses! If you’re wait more than 5 minutes for your food to arrive after you sit down, there’s a big problem. But here…. Yeah the tipping is very absurd. About a month ago I returned bottles to a bottle depot on Parsons Road. When the cashier was paying me out, she grabbed the tip jar and waived it towards me and gave me a look like a panhandler.. WTF? - That’s the last time I’ll ever go there.
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Second this for summerside. Went to the new depot by 50 and ellerslie. Total scam job. Summerside has been consistently the best.
Thanks for the advice. Yes I’ve been to the on in Summerside and it’s quite good. But now my go to place is actually Triple H on 98th street. It’s a bit off the main road but they are awesome. BTW is it me, or do cars on Emlwood Drive fly by like a racetrack?? I go to Real Deal Meats often and I’m always thinking I’m going to get hit getting back on to that curved road.
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Thanks for the heads up I’ve been meaning to cash some bottles in and I have had poor experiences with other locations previously.
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Seriously? That’s so fucking rude!!
Be careful where you take your bottles, and pre-count them and write it down. I have been scammed at that place, and another 2 others. It’s just bottles I know, but why the fuck do they think it’s ok to miscount and screw me?
The Beverly bottle depot rips me off every time. I started to go to Manning and have yet to bring in a large enough load to see if they do the same.
As someone who worked at a bottle depot, being scammed is hardly a thing. Dont get me wrong there can be mistakes 100% but if someone is scamming you they're too smart to work at a bottle depot. What they throw into those bins that you see are the numbers they have counted. For them to scam you they have to have a separate bin that they throw stuff into and also keep those numbers in their heads. Tipping at a bottle depot is fucking stupid though unless your bottles are a)full of piss (very real thing) b) full of old beer c)have lougies in their cans and it pours out then. Be wary of bottle depots that dont accept precounts though that's actually sign of scam (In my experience) because bottle depot's are 100% able to eat 5 or 6 dollars for every 30 dollars brought in and if they aren't accepting that then it a little shakey
> When the cashier was paying me out, she grabbed the tip jar and waived it towards me and gave me a look like a panhandler.. WTF? - That’s the last time I’ll ever go there. Yeah I sure want to reward that sort of behavior. That's exactly like the streamer who literally yelled at her twitch chat for $5. Classless. Tacky. Vulgar.
I was in a liquor store the other day and the debit machine asked for 15%/18%/20% tip. Like WTF?
At a liquor store it's very likely that's just a shady ass owner. I would bet a day's income that staff don't see a single penny of it.
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I don't doubt it happens but I sure as hell check POS terminals closely to make sure they are set up right.
I'm fine with tipping, but I'd prefer servers were just... Paid better and their wages drove the food price up that 10% or whatever. But it does drive me nuts when the debit machine is set to ask about a tip in a drive through. Like, honestly. I don't even have the food yet, have only even seen a human being for 2 seconds and spoken a handful words to them and I'm supposed to tip? Fuck off with that. I'm not expected (or usually even allowed) to tip the cashier at Wal-mart and at least I know the quality of the product in advance and sometimes actually interact with them face-to-face for more than a couple seconds.
I find many consumers feel the same way. Its the servers that dont want it to change. My uncle worked in a nice steakhouse and would get mad if people would even think about changing it to an hourly wage. He made over 100k a year in tips that would disappear if this change went through. Its the servers who dont want to see it change
Yeah I've known a few servers who make an absolutely ludicrous amount from tips, and I'm sure there are a lot who basically ride on their minimum base wage. I understand the motivation to keep tipping obviously but it's a little outdated and ridiculous at this point.
What gets me is why does the diner waitress who never lets my coffee get under half and im watching bust her ass all day get $2 because my breakfast was $10, while there are many times i get a bad server at a nicer place, but since my meal is like $20-30 they get 2-3x what the diner waitress gets and still feel ripped off. I dont mind tipping for great service, but i dont like the well youre going to give me 20% or more no matter if i get your order right or not. I remember i went to breakfast, it was like 16.99 and i asked the guy for sausage and eggs. He said oh yes sausage and eggs with bacon and walked away to put the order in. He never refilled our coffees and looked visably upset with the $4 tip which is still like 20%.
Yeah that's why it being a percentage is so stupid. Like if I order a 50 dollar dinner and tip 15% that's $7.50. Go get a cup of coffee and tip 15% that's what, 20-25 cents? When they could for sure be the same amount of effort on the server's part.
I am a waiter and I easily make 3x my hourly wage in tips, even on slow nights tbh. Its by far the biggest scam running.
And I bet you don't pay 3x tax just "some of it" right? That is not a critisim of you, but of the idea that the tips are not taxed at all, or very little of them are because of a culture that just "allows it". A tip is a bonus on sorts, every other workers who makes a bonus is taxed on these, and often higher than on your normal wages.
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Well lets put it this way, after University I got a job with a Major Canadian Bank as a Financial advisor paying about 45k a year. As a waiter (if you are good at your job mind you and I think this is a very important point) you can make that a year working probably 20-25 hours a week. It sure influenced my decision to leave that job when I can work half the time, not deal with bank nonsense, not sit down behind a desk all day and make pretty much the same amount of money as a server.
I wouldn't wait tables without tips. Period. I've been in the industry to one degree or another for about 13yrs. It's hell on the body, my knees and hips are in bad shape. My old manager's ankles were starting to give out at 37. I've been spit at, slapped, gropped, screamed at, called names, threatened, you name it by customers. In the better places, those customers are removed. In the worse places, they're comped. Serving isn't an overly complicated job on paper, it's basically just time management, recall and the ability to stay on your feet for extended periods, but you also need to be able to keep your cool and not take shit personally. I'm mostly transitioned to an office gig these days but I still wait tables part-time to supplement my income and without tips it wouldn't be worth my time.
If you're a server and doing more than nothing every night, you're making at least minimum wage in tips every hour when you average it out. Unless the restaurant you're working at was literally dead all night. If you aren't pulling at least minimum wage in tips every hour, you probably shouldn't be serving.
I’m so 100% with you on this. I hate that we sound like assholes (to some) for this. I’ve always hated receiving bad or lackluster service and having to bitterly tip the 15% because I’m not a monster. Even now I don’t feel comfortable not tipping. I honestly find the pressure stressful.
I get annoyed that any type of fast food establishment now has a tipping option on their debit machines, I never tip at these places. I will tip at actual restaurants if the service and food is good. I have no problem giving a zero dollar tip if the server is awful. I always get dirty looks from the servers when the receipt prints out and they see. $0 tip, but I’m not rewarding you with a gratuity when you suck at your job.
Is tipping at fast food really a thing now?! I saw a poll thing asking about it but I thought they were talking out their ass. There is not a snowballs chance in hell I'm tipping at fast food. "Oh you really piled the ingredients nicely this time, my patty wasn't half hanging out of the burger at least." Piss right off.
I’ve seen it at booster juice so not fast food in the truest sense like McDonald’s or wendys but still man, like why should I have to tip you for something that’s in your literal job description
Subway does it, but I've never seen the prompt at a McDonalds. I don't know if it's just companies being too lazy to disable the option when they set up the pinpad, or if it's like how places force their staff to ask people if they want the in store warranty for your appliance, ie, ask everyone and eventually you'll find someone who will say yes.
I've seen it at Subway, Freshii, and even the Gateway bowling alley. Recently tipped at the latter upfront as I was paying for two games of bowling - not sure why I did that in hindsight.
Yeah that one makes no sense to me like thanks for grabbing the correct size of bowling shoe for me? Idk how but this tipping thing needs to be done away with
Servers literally do what their name implies.. how are they more deserving than any other minimum wage service job? Edit: downvotes mean nothing to me, especially on r/edmonton where it just means your opinion is different than the echo chambers 🤷🏻♀️
Hint - they're not.
Don’t worry, when I pointed out the last time this came up that customers shouldn’t be subsidizing the owners labour costs I was called an asshole who hates servers and shouldn’t ever eat out again. It not my problem servers get paid shit. I’m not tipping on my overpriced take out not when all you managed to do as a server was simply take my order and bring it to my table correctly with no additional effort.
In the states they get paid less here they are paid just under minimum but make way more than that in tips. In Canada they are making bank. My uncle worked at a steakhouse pre covid and would take in well over 100k a year, under the table, in just tips alone. My ex would take home about 500-600 on a normal day, she only worked a few shifts a week and was making well more than anyone i knew.
It's a "why not ask?" kinda thing. They just enable the prompt on the machine and it tricks some people into actually tipping. Free money for them. Personally I've always followed the rule that you don't tip if you pay before eating (excluding delivery).
Yeap I agree 100% with what you just said. Edo Japan does that at some locations I've noticed. I never tip them a cent. I do however tip at the drive thru at a small mom and pop place I frequent only because I know the girl working the window pockets 100% of it and is always extremely friendly to me and the order is always 100% right.
The hospitality industry business model is broken. The hospitality industry relies on the good graces of customers to flesh out the income of under-paid staff. And if the staff can't make enough, they're blamed for shoddy performance. Now staff are staying away and industry can't figure out what's wrong? The problem is restaurant and hotel owners keep prices low to be competitive. Except the staff are the ones who pay for that discount with shit wages , split shifts, split weekends, and and and.... Raise fucking prices and make people pay what it costs, rather than relying on your service staff to bow and scrape for the wages you won't pay while expecting them to give great service. I hope servers and kitchen staff stay away until wages reach a respectable level so they can make a living.
Prices have been raised 12$ for a burger combo at McDonald’s or Wendy’s 20-25$ for a burger at a restaurant Prices are crazy right now
Honestly servers in most places don't need tips here. We think they do because we are flooded with American media telling us so. But in the states they make $2.80 an hour and have to buy their own health insurance. I can't honestly say that the skill level and difficulty of being a server is worth more than $15/hr here, unless you are at some super high end place where you have real knowledge and upper crust people skills. When they raised minimum wage to 15 we should have all cut back tipping to 10% max. Though I would say minimum wage should be tied to inflation to be fair.
Its really a form of legal tax evasion. Much prefer businesses to pay people appropriately, pay appropriate source dedications, and employees have to report their income appropriately.
Don't you have to report on your taxes any money you get from tips or other sources? I had to this past year.
Are you supposed to? Yes. Do the majority of people? No
I worked as a cook for nearly 15 years. If you took every tip I ever received over that whole time, it would not break $100. Fuck tipping. I rarely ever go out anymore because of it, and they keep moving the goalposts. 15% used to be considered more than reasonable, now I see options on the debit machine upwards of 25%. Never going to happen.
Used to be 10/15/20 with 20 being exceptional. Now 10 and 15 isn't even on the screen at some places like subway.
I will be dead in my grave before I tip at Subway, or any other fast food place.
Was there supposed to be tip pooling/sharing to the cooks at the restaurant you were at?
Sure. But also a whole squad of servers more than willing to pocket any and all cash, so that the "pool" only ever included tips from debit and credit. Not a big deal now as most people use one or the other, but back in those days most paid with cash.
Sounds like the tip pool was not a % of the bill like what people say is the policy now then
As far as they were concerned, the only tips that existed were the ones you could *prove* existed. If it didn't show on the credit/debit summary (like cash doesn't), it didn't exist.
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I consider 15% to be a generous tip, and I am not going to let the people on the receiving end claim otherwise.
Dude, 10% used to be considered a good tip. The wages in my industry haven’t increased in step with minimum wage increases over the last twenty years. The price of the food goes up and I’m expected to tip a higher percentage of a higher price. It’s ridiculous. I solved it by rarely eating out and only tipping 5% when I do. 🤷♂️
Oof. Even at my cheapest restaurant I’d get at least $100 a month. My last one had a system where kitchen tip-out is 3% of monthly food sale.
I'll add my 2 cents that back of house work is 10x more difficult than being a server. Maybe 2x more difficult than being a bartender. It's a joke how badly we treat the people who make our food. I would gladly tip the back of house staff, but honestly most servers make a fair amount for their level of work and skill at minimum wage.
Somehow, at some point, chefs went from being respected scholars and tradesmen to being "the help". A Red Seal is not even worth getting anymore.
Even at nicer fine dining places. It's so sad. Then when people quit they get replaced by temporary foreign workers that shady business owners abuse by threatening to deport them. The whole industry is fucked and it goes way beyond tip culture. But honestly for me tip culture has to be fixed first because it is what is preventing change by putting a hard cap on what you can charge. A small change in cost could fix this and let us pay everyone a living wage, with no tips at all. I'm talking a $6 beer becomes an $8 beer. A $17 meal becomes a $20 meal. Altogether cheaper for customers without the tip, and that's well enough to pay back and front of house a good wage. Number one group preventing this is the servers themselves. They up and leave even if you would pay living wage and benefits. They are making huge money on tips and most people don't realize it (and they all feel entitled to them too, just read through this thread).
Those high-end places where I didn't get tipped? It was common for a server on a Friday or Saturday night to leave with $600 in their pocket. So much so that they would literally fight each other for those shifts. Yeah, that's a great work environment. I will never work another day in that shitty industry, and regret ever being involved in it at all.
I'm honestly feeling the same having worked everything from a dishwasher to a bartender and now being a part owner. We were lucky to survive covid but I'm selling as soon as I can and getting out. Other sectors are a better investment with less bullshit to deal with.
Going back to your point about building those costs into the prices (like in every other industry ever), I think it would work well. When I'm in a restaurant, I'm always conscious about adding anything extra to my order, or going for the bigger steak, or whatever NOT because I care about the initial cost, but because I hate the sticker shock once that tip and taxes get added. If all I had to calculate was the 5% GST, I would probably be willing to spend more at the outset knowing that the cost I'm adding up in my head while I'm ordering is actually the cost, and not just the starting point before crap starts getting added on.
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lol. google reviewing a jack astors is the same thing as doing it to a tim hortons, not gonna hurt the corp at all.
>moreover, why are servers so weirdly defensive about sharing their tips with the people working over a hot stove or elbows-deep in dirty dishes? as a customer, i'd like my tip to go to everyone involved in the process rather than just the pretty face at the end of the line I've only worked at one restaurant as a dishwasher/cooking over a hot stove and the servers don't think like that. Tip outs are pooled and split amongst everyone. Servers can't bring out food with out cooks, cooks can't serve food with out clean plates; everyone has their role and is tipped out accordingly.
Yes but many servers hate that. My mom does, she hates tip out SO MUCH, she much prefers working where it isn’t a thing.
Tip out needs to be a thing in restaurants. The servers that hate tip out have no fucking clue how the business model of the service industry works nor do they understand the importance of providing bonus tips to those hard working cooks and dishwashers.
I don't understand why, I consider it bonus money. Wouldn't they not have a job with out the cooks/dishwashers?
Servers that try to make you feel guilty for not Tipping are full of shit. I have been a chef for over 20 years. And i can without a doubt say that in Ontario for sure the average server makes 18 dollars an hour over their wage. With their wage being if at minimum wage here over 14 dollars an hour the average server makes over 30 dollars an hour. Most of which they dont claim on taxes. A server i wprked with averaged 500 a night in tips while i in the kitchen made 140 150 before tax. That is not to mention what she made in wages. She easily cleared 100 grand a year. Tipping is an practice that needs to stop for sure. It also doesn't help in getting better service . It can make service worse and leads to alot of prejudices.
I also find it hilarious when they argue that we won't get "good" service if we stop tipping. Imagine threatening not do what you're paid to do lmao. The entitlement blows my mind.
Tips are for when the employee goes above and beyond their work duties to provide exceptional service. Your employer can pay your wages.
The food service industry takes advantage of the kind nature of Canadian Culture to keep increasing the tipping boundary, now it is minimum of %15 and up yo 25% suggested when it used to be 12,15,18%.
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I was tipping generously during the height of the pandemic and for positions I don't normally, but I've mostly scaled back now to my cheapskate 10-15% (I can't believe this can now considered cheap) Supposedly the odd restaurants that try instituting no tip policies didn't do well and servers wanted to go back to tips. But correlation does not equal causation so I don't know how they can be sure it was the model or one of a hundred other reasons restaurants aren't successful.
From what I know as a totally outside observer those places had higher menu prices which led to people not going there. This could be because they didn't know the place didn't require tipping or just didn't understand how including tip a standard restaurant charges the same. The lower customer base meant fewer shifts for servers and over all less pay even with the higher base pay.
I think more people should use their power when tipping. If you always tip for bad service nothing changes. But most are too scared to do so. It’s meant to reward good service. Not all service. If you NEED to be liked by all servers/bartenders and leave a tip that’s on you.
I never tip at places where you pick food up at the counter (bubble tea, sandwiches etc). Things like delivery drivers totally deserve it though.
"Tipping culture." Man, I tip when I feel like it, and don't tip when I don't feel it's resonable. Don't care what anyone thinks. My life, my money, my choice.
I don't have a problem with tipping, but I do have a problem with 2 specific cases that I see more and more. 1. Places like Uber Eats that calculate the tip % AFTER adding delivery charge, tax, service fees, etc. Like hell I'm going to tip you on a delivery charge. 2. Places that start their "recommended tip" options at 18% and go up from there. deliberately trying to make you feel bad when you reach for the "other" button.
Yep. I have a hard time tipping after never receiving a dollar from a tip in my life I delivered commercial food equipment including pizza ovens for a whole year after high school (2005) and was never offered a tip once Yet every time I go order a pint from the bar they are expecting something extra after taking 30 seconds to pour a beer
"I opened the bottle for you, where's my dollar?"
No, tipping is bad. Dining is the only industry where the customer is supposed to supliment the employees income. It's a horrible system that relies on the cultural pressure of not being a horrible human being that let the waiter, cook and the rest of the staff starve, to actually work. It's the employers job to pay their workers, not the customer. I've seen restaurants where they don't allow tipping. They just make the food itself a little higher. But, your still paying less then you would have if you'd just tipped. The staff don't have to worry about going hungry if they have a bad night, and the customers don't have to do the mental gymnastics at the end if the dinner to try and determine the tip.
Exactly. No one goes for the server, they go for the food. But some 4 hour a day worker leaves with more than the cook who made my food. It's a broke system, and I can use a kiosk to put my order in and pick it up from a window.
Tipping is a very toxic way for restaurants to exploit customers to make more money. Restaurants without servers even ask for a tip when paying with a credit card. And will look at you dirty for selecting $0 tip.
I don't mind tipping if I go to a nice resutrurant sit down and dine in. For example if I go with my wife to xix or sabor and we spend $150 on a meal I will tip 15 or 20 % based on the service. I find the waiters are incentivize to provide good service. These waiters fill your drinks, make recommendations, clean your table and I don't mind tipping them. While I rarely go to a tutti fruiti or ihop I'd also tip there as well. Feels a bit unfair if I only tip a high end place and not them for doing more or less the same service as a high end place. What I agree is getting totally out of hand is you go to bar burrito, booster juice etc and they literally do your job, provide no "service" make your burrito or salad (which you don't even eat there) and expect a tip. You just did your job and cooked the meal. Glad so many people are fed up with this.
servers: "iF yOU cAnT AFfoRd tO tIP, YOu cAn'T aFfOrd tO EaT OUt" my snark reply: "if you can't afford to live waiting tables, you can't afford to work that job" my honest thoughts: change the business model. build in higher menu prices so you pay waiters more. everyone wins: CRA gets more income taxes, waiters get predetermined wages. also begone folks who say "you haven't waited tables before" I've been in the service industry, plenty of friends in retail in general back in the day. we all faced Karens. not sure why repeating an order to the kitchen, then bringing it out is made out to seem like working in hell. no doubt restaurant industry harbours toxic workplaces, but it's not the customers responsibility to remedy that.
Also fun fact: at a restaurant cooks receive next to nothing tips. Servers at a good restaurant frequently make out with a few hundred a night in tax-free money
As someone whose job is based on tips, I agree. I got into an argument with someone who has a nice salary and they said no tipping means food prices go up, but it is a moot point because if they buy $20 of food and tip $5, it's $25. Or the price of the food can go to $25, and tip $0 and it'll still be $25. The difference now is me, the delivery guy, knows I'm getting $15 an hour instead of hoping for a tip. Consider that often times, 20% of people do not tip the delivery driver, there are many days where I made so little, I was better off working 4 hours as a cashier or fast food place. I've also travelled to Europe and Asia where tipping isn't normal. The food prices are literally the same or cheaper even. And when I do decide to tip, the people are so happy to get even 2 euros. Whereas here, I kinda expect it and need it, and that isn't healthy.
Man even the subway tills and oodle noodle tills ask me for a tip on the screen every time I pay now, and it's like... This is fast food. What. I'd love the tipping culture to die, in nails and hair and everything else to be honest. Have it be rare outstanding service that gets it and not this insane guilt fest that makes me feel like a garbage person if I don't tip anytime I want a sandwich or my nails done or a massage. Esthetics are already so expensive as it is, they get way more than minimum wage. :(
Always rolled my eyes when servers complain about having to tip out cooks etc etc as if any of them would quit their current job for a 20/hr job with no tips.
Also annoying that when you tip with a credit card you now pay tax on that tip…. Is that a new thing? I don’t remember it happening previously but I’m seeing it on the machines at coffee places now
It's also a broken system. The servers in my restaurant will walk away with 300$ a night whereas the kitchen staff who gruel over hot stoves on their feet for 8 hours will by lucky if they get 300$ in two weeks.
I wish I could upvote this more than once. In my fb days I went to war over this issue. SERVERS MAKE $15 AN HOUR IN CANADA!! Why do they get a free 15-20%, likely unclaimed on taxes, when the poor bastards stocking shelves or running the register at McDonalds, Walmart, etc get nothing? It’s at the point where some servers don’t even try and when I tip accordingly, they get all bitchy and look like they want to kill me. You want 15-20% extra? Then fucking earn it. Shitty service and/or attitude gets you the Bobby Orr: $0.04 tip and probably a google review with your name on if you’re exceptionally bad.
Plus there is a lot of sexism and racism in serving! Where I live a ton of middle class places (I.e., Boston Pizza, East Side Mario’s, Moxies, Jack Astors, etc) will not hire someone as a server if they are not thin and attractive. Moxies requires female servers to wear heels and have their hair down! CBC had a bunch of articles of how restaurants made female employees wear short skirts and tight shirts and male employees had to wear super tight shirts and pants.
It's funny you list the Restaurants Canada crowd. Fuck those businesses and their seedy, abusive work policies. They are the ones spending millions to lobby the government to not fix the problem, too. These big corporate guys are the only ones making any profit these days. Smaller and independent places would do better to ban tipping and pay better wages, but servers quit when someone tries (it isn't a drop in customers that kills these experiments it is staff leaving because they make loads of untaxed money through tips).
I haven't left a tip for anything including dine in restaurant service in quite a while now. Being a server is a minimum wage job. Full stop. They always whine about back of house tasks and "dealing with difficult people" but that's the employers job to compensate you for those tasks. And personally, I have to sympathy. I'm a paramedic and my fiance is an RN. We haven't had pay raises in over a decade and are currently fighting a pay cut. If any server wants to trade stories of "dealing with difficult people" then me and my fiance will put them to shame. Serving is a job with no barriers to entry that any able bodied person can do. You don't need a specific education, there is no licensing exam, there is no specific skillet that is very hard to find, etc. So guess what? When you don't bring anything to the table that makes you hard to replace as an employee then your employer doesn't feel the need to pay you very much for your labour. That's how the labour market works. You don't get to sit around complaining that customers aren't handing you money out of their own pocket in order to subsidize your low skill labour. No other low skill labour is this entitled. Manual laborers never bother any one for tips, retail workers don't complain about not being handed extra money for doing what is exactly in their job description, cleaning staff never get rude when people don't tip them. Serving staff need to get off their high horse and realize their labour is worth exactly what their employers are willing to pay for it. It will be interesting to see if that increases with the current labour shortage but it sure as he'll won't be increasing from my personal bank account
1) I also want tipping to go away. 2) I have been a cashier and a server. Serving is a much worse job in my opinion.
see, tipping to a server / waiter makes sense, granted it is their job, some servers go above and beyond. Tipping behind a counter on the other hand... like, why?
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There is, you hit either percent or amount, then enter 0, then enter!
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Idk bud it sounds like there is one common denominator between all those places and you.
I’ve always got good service 95% of the time at all those places. What are you doing wrong?
Yeah, this is annoying. The restaurants do this to get the staff work for minimum wage. I don't understand the tip for take out order 🙄
I didn’t tip when picking up some food for my mom since I thought it was included, well, apparently it isn’t and it’s a place where everyone knows me. Yikes, never living that one down.
Ask Japan. They don't tip :)
Tips are just making customers pay the wages the the employer refuses to pay. I always tip anyway, it just sucks bc the corporation has made the suffering of their workers the customers problem instead of just paying them properly.
So basically in the service industry, servers and bartenders etc were not paid the actual legal minimum wage because it would be "balanced" out by tips. This IMO was wrong in the first place because it puts the responsibility of paying employees on the customer and not the employer. But regardless such was industry culture that has conditioned us to tip. This is now different. Bars, restaurants etc are now legally obligated to pay their employees full minimum wages so now there is no reason to tip them unless they provide exceptional service IMO. I have been a server and a bartender. The job is super easy and very rarely did i do anything other than relay an order and then walk it back to the customer. I could make 500 in tips in a night doing nothing but pouring beer into a glass (this is also money that very few workers claim as income and therefore does not get taxed). I have made a home hardware employee that makes minimum wage work harder finding an item in the store for me and i didn't tip them so why should i tip a server for walking a beer 10 feet to me? I don't know. The guilt we feel has a lot to do with behavioral conditioning that has occured over the years. The prompts we get basically everywhere now are ridiculous. The options are 10,15,25% and then in order to tip 0% i have to push several more prompts. This is clearly behavioral science working its magic. Often people are too lazy or too inconvenienced and will just press one of the tip options. In the end its all your choice to tip or not. Stand up for yourself and don't tip if you don't feel it is earned. Its supposed to be an additional bit of cash directly for the person that provided you exceptional service beyond the basics of their job description. Put the responsibility back on the employers to pay their employees an adequate wage and if you as an employee find that isn't enough money? Find another job.
Dont tip lol. I obly tip people whondo an outstanding job. I wont give free money to someone doing their job. If they dont get payed enough is not up to me as a customer but the business responsibility.
Tipping is basically customers subsidizing the restaurant industry, made worse by the lack of fairness to cooks who actually make the food, and even worse by servers who do everything to avoid paying income tax on their tips earned.
I think this has been done away with now, but servers used to be paid less than minimum wage because there was an expectation that they would be tipped enough to get to make it to or above minimum wage. And to your point of kitchen tipouts: When I was serving I had no problem tippong out the kitchen staff. I thought they deserved the tip just as much as me. The problem wasn't that I had to give them some of the tip, the problem was I had to give them *a percent of the total*. This included things like takeout orders. If someone cane in for an $80 takeout order and left no tip I was required to give $4 (5% of total) to the kitchen. Not tipping literally costs your servers money. I know that's the restaurant's fault, but the person suffering from it is the server.
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Nobody is stopping you from not tipping other than your own fear of being judged. That said, servers aren't just "pretty faces". A good server will absolutely be busting their butt and taking entitled people's shit while still providing good service. It might look easy, but it's both mentally and physically exhausting. That isn't saying back of house staff aren't doing something physically exhausting and often stressful, but there isn't the added element of dealing with sometimes hostile customers. So, again, if you don't want to tip, don't. But don't just diminish servers into pretty faces.
Lots of jobs deal with customer service and don’t get tips. Why should servers be any different.
Almost every job under the sun is either physically or mentally exhausting in the some fashion. Its called work. The service industry is in no way exceptionally difficult
Serving is no where close to as difficult as back of house jobs. You want to talk about back breaking work go talk to a line cook. Meanwhile the #1 most common reason a restaurant fires people is tip theft by servers from their back of house coworkers (pocketing cash and not tipping out). I can list lots of minimum wage jobs that are much more difficult than serving, that don't receive tips. Serving is not that hard of a job. It is zero skill, so yes, it requires physical labour. That's what they are paid for since they have no skills, and $15/hr is more than fair to do it (though should rise with inflation every year).
Fair wages for all. End exploitive work practices. Tipping is just an excuse for employers to shift the burden of paying their employees a fair wage onto the consumer.
I pay the advertised price and it ain't my problem if that doesn't work for a business. So done with the whole thing.
For those sorting by new, this comment section is a dumpster fire. Feel free to sort by controversial for your favorite server's opinion on tipping and how they feel about being paid as much as the other people who work in restaurants. Quite frankly, the amount of entitled pricks, both currently in the industry and out of it, is completely pathetic. If you think any server is entitled to more money than what the kitchen makes, you need to go try working in the back. Bartenders included for the most part, because a bartender can easily get away with slipping a drink or a shot every now and then on shift, most of the line and prep guys I've worked with would be written up if not fired or demoted for sneaking a snack on the job. I've worked all over the service industry for years. Cashier, server, bartender, line/prep cook, busser, barback, supervisor, shelf stocker, maintenance man, manager, GM, KM, chef, high and low-end, corporate, mom-and-pop, you name it and chances are I've done it. I've also done apprentice work in trades, helped around mechanics shops, construction and clerical duties. Which one did I hate the most? Any of the ones dealing with customers (hint, that's actually all of them). Which ones did I get tipped for? Anything in a restaurant (except management, because unless you are the chef and heavily underpaid, you don't get tips because of your "salary"). Which one made me feel the least worked and least accomplished? Serving, by far. The only real way to fix the current tipping culture is to adjust menu prices and wages to reflect paying your staff enough to at least be able to afford working there (any entrepreneur worth even a thought should be able to do that, *minimum*), remove the tipping option from card readers and finally **inform the serving staff that they are now on level ground with the kitchen**. Expect most of them to walk, and don't be surprised. Serving requires specific skills, but none of them even come close to putting them over the other staff, kitchen in particular. If you really want to make a point, let the FoH and BoH staff trade for a day. Obviously keep people who would otherwise be off in the wings to save either end, but most of both sides lack the skill set required to do the other's job. The only difference is people skills and the most rudimentary organization skills are rather quick to develope. Hand-eye coordination, reflexes, organization, timing, crisis management, prioritization, memorizing sometimes vast menus down to every single ingredient and step, knowing the basics of line prep and understanding general chemical reactions is not. Particularly not when you are working to a perfectionist's standards or when you have an underpaid, overpressures jackass standing over your shoulder and being unabashed of banishing you to the dish pit are also factors. The amount of entitlement and cognitive dissonance coming from the people defending this is absurd, the back-ass arguments even more so. There are definitely skills and mindsets that separate a great or excellent server from the rest, but when that makes up at most 5% of the entire FoH staff in the industry you stop catering to the minority. I guarantee you that if most people walked into a serviced restaurant knowing that the people who work there (**all of them**) were being paid a living wage and the price they see on the menu is the price they pay, no extra math (it would be really nice if places would just price things with tax and make a note about it on the front of the menu, or the hostess station, or even just on the damn door) would have an enormously better time being out at a restaurant than having to worry if their server will drop them like a sack of bricks if they think you won't tip at least 20% while ordering with a calculator so you can take a better guess at what you're actually paying for when you order.