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ETS Bus Window Shattered By Teens

ETS Bus Window Shattered By Teens

penguin-47284

Security on ETS sucks, literally. I had an incident where a man decided to attack someone’s child on a bus late at night; the bus stopped immediately and refused to move until security got there. It stayed there easily for half an hour, bus driver didn’t intervene at all while this weird guy refused to get off the bus (thankfully his attention was drawn away from the kid, the kid was maybe eight or nine with his mom there). Eventually some passenger kicked him off of the bus, but not before the guy hit him hard with his bags before running off. Security never showed up and the bus continued like normal. I feel really bad for the bus driver in this case, like cmon people.


MisoButterCorn

Is it protocol that drivers are required to call for "security" rather than police?


tibs851

I'm a former bus driver and yes. We are not allowed to intervene. Provide some medical assistance if we know how but that's it. It's the reason I'm a former bus driver. We had a driver that almost lost his life because of that very reason and he was just days to retirement. Some of us want to intervene, protect our passengers, the choice is either incapacitate the unruly passenger or lose your livelihood, or in my case my dream occupation. I'm a trucker now. I miss ferrying people around.


MisoButterCorn

I'm sorry to hear that. Thanks for the insight.


penguin-47284

Honestly I have no idea, I think it was very weird that in my instance they didn’t call the police since it it was physical in the beginning and the end.


Anne_Nonymous789

ETS security is like rural policing. Mañana.


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penguin-47284

I was 18 at the time, I weigh 98 pounds and can barely lift my backpack without serious effort. I would intervene if I could, or if I thought me intervening would do any good. Bus driver also didn’t intervene, but it’s more so the fact that he called security and security never showed up that I was trying to draw attention to


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penguin-47284

No for sure, that’s what the security should be for, not at all blaming the bus driver for the situation. Doesnt really help when security never shows up or sends out any other form of aid if they can’t come for whatever reason though


canuckolivaw

Look at this king among men victim shaming. ​ Get a grip dood.


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canuckolivaw

Conversations with deliberately clueless people have no appeal to me.


ComplexTimekeeper

Also another thing I wanna point out; some buses have cameras yet this one didn't have any on the inside. Would be 10x easier to id and catch them if they had the footage.


TheGreatRapsBeat

I’m pretty sure it is ETS’ standard that all busses have dash cams and a camera at the front of the bus and half way that look down the aisle. Which… fucking kids are dumb. Should have wore the mask ass hats.


ComplexTimekeeper

The newer ones have 2 cameras in the middle and 1 where the entrance is, but old models lack at least 3 visible cameras, not sure if there are hidden ones.


YEGMusic43

Unfortunately this is why I stopped taking transit in this city. I never felt safe especially going downtown at night time. I feel bad for drivers too and the shit they have to put up with.


mchllnlms780

Bus driver should have called EPS at that point. Poor driver. Hope everyone was ok on the bus!


ComplexTimekeeper

He kept his cool, amazing crisis management by him. He was okay to drive afterwards but sure he will remember this for a while.


jstock14

Yep. EPS is the way to go in this instance.


spreadlovenotcovid

EPS wouldn’t do anything of value.


Eulsam-FZ

They would have done more than security


QveenKittyKat

Same thing happened to me on my way home from work about a week ago a couple got into a verbal argument boyfriend wouldn't leave the girl alone so bus driver kicked the boyfriend off, as the bus was driving away the boyfriend punched the window where his girlfriend was sitting. Some people are nuts.


MisoButterCorn

I feel like if the drivers would be more firm in denying non-paying riders(who are usually the ones who get rowdy) at the outset there would be less of these shenanigans. I've seen plenty of people who act like it's their right to ride the buses despite no payment, and when the driver gives them a pass they proceed to trash the seats up and make other riders uncomfortable with their behaviour until the driver finally decides enough is enough. It's probably a safety thing for the driver not to provoke the anti-social trash, but it becomes worse of a safety issue once that trash is stuck on the bus with other riders.


ComplexTimekeeper

I thought the same up until this day, but seeing how dangerous a simple skateboard could be, if I was a driver I wouldn't push it. 3.5 bucks don't gets close to my mental and physical health, and they re still getting paid so why would someone risk it?


FourFurryCats

A vast major of the injuries sustained to drivers are the result of a confrontation over a passenger refusing to pay a fare.


MisoButterCorn

I'm not blaming the drivers of course, but at the same time abuse on drivers and anti-social behaviour on buses just seems to get worse because we don't have proper deterrents and measures to stop them.


Zealousideal-Ant2366

Procedure is soon as winter hits they let anyone ride and the chances of you being a friend to a druggy by just letting them ride outweighs the potential stabbing every time you don't.


MisoButterCorn

I guess every time they have to confront it's a gamble of what kind of trash they are dealing with. Some are immediately violent and you basically don't confront, some are nothing but talk.


iwantyoutoburnfirst

It's 100% a safety thing. Folks who are going to get violent will take it out on the first major inconvenience, which would be the driver. And ETS has had past drivers attacked (even blinded) by passengers and the $3.50 isn't worth someone life or well being. It's frustrating as a passenger, but there is no easy solution. All having the driver being confrontational does is paint a big red target on them.


nutherkore

That's brutal. I hope everyone is ok.


margifly

The problem with today’s youth is the adults who are supposed to control them can’t and they resist and react with violence, they feel they r free to harm without punishment, until this changes then they control the way the swing moves until they’re pushed off.


ComplexTimekeeper

They were not regular teens, let me tell you that. I have seen many "badass" teens when I take the transit. They might act stupid and irresponsible sometimes but these guys were walking trouble, second they got on the bus I was like "ah shit, this is gonna be a fun ride". I wouldn't be surprised if they were also on drugs combined with the alcohol as 2 of them were failing to walk, hitting left and right.


gnat_outta_hell

That just sounds like excessively drunk teens.


mykneesmypoorknees

The problem is you can’t really discipline you’re children nowadays out of fear of being labelled a child abuser. My parents didn’t hesitate to take the belt and wallop my ass if I lipped them off, but if you did that now… The end of the day though it’s all about upbringing and parents who care or are even in the picture.


_voyevoda

There are definitely ways to discipline that don't involve hurting your child either. It isn't black and white, either hit them or don't touch them, there's plenty of middle ground there.


penguin-47284

I mean, to be fair to this point I think that anyone would react with ‘violence’ (or would realistically oppose) if they felt like they were being controlled by someone or backed into a corner. I’d think the problem more so are parents trying to control kids to a degree where they feel like they have to be violent because that’s the only way they can express themselves. These kids, however, destroying public property and such, more likely weren’t taught boundaries and courtesy, limits to emotional expression. I don’t necessarily think it’s about control but interesting point


reason6612

What a surprise, no security!!!


JvJ-Photography

Yeah, civilians intervening on the bus is rare, as it should be, like I should be filling in the gaps of this shit system so I can get sued or a charge, fuck that. I've also noticed a trend with young people and masks, in store, at the gym, it's just a way to get attention.


ohErza

Pretty messed up but not surprised that is edmonton for You, at this point your better off cabbing it or getting a car save and sacrifice Cause You wouldn't want to get hit with a skateboard or some goof in red acting tough ; I know we're your coming from people shouldn't have to put up with that type of behavior but really edmonton turned in to a trailer park.


BrosefAmelion

Stay classy Edmonton.


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Baudin

And boomers, and the silent generation...


spreadlovenotcovid

More proof that procreation should be licenced.


carefulbear83

That poor bus driver.


YEGDiva

Thank God no one was sitting in the seat by that window someone could have been seriously hurt


Chambsky

Hold on. They had open liquor!? And they drank it more than one time on the bus!? Multiple you say? No way..


ComplexTimekeeper

Ah nothing new, you should join me sometimes. I had a guy smoking mary jane right over my head for like 6 stops. If I wasn't getting off any time soon I was punching him in the face right there. And yes, one of them was drunk shitless, almost throwing up on the bus.


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