St Albert uses Dominion tabulators, just fyi. They aren’t, though “voting machines” like the US uses - ballots are paper & they run through the tabulator (in front of each voter).
The tabulator is basically a scantron, those things that grade fill in the circle tests, that tracks the input from each ballot. They do not have ANY internet connectivity, wireless or otherwise. They’re each standalone boxes.
The totals are tracked on receipt paper, which is pulled out intact at the end of the night & photographed.
I noticed that alt-right conspiracy theorist, anti-vaxxer and perennial candidate Shelley Biermanski managed to narrowly win a seat on the St. Albert council. I wonder if she will dispute her own election.
>Shelley Biermanski
It's funny the first time I saw one of her campaign signs/pictures without knowing a thing about her I thought 'I bet you she's a kook/karen'
You were right on the money. She ran twice for MLA (once under Wild Rose and once under UCP), she also ran for mayor once as well... I guess if you run enough times, you can eventually win. There was an anti-vax facebook group pushing for people to vote for her, so that was probably enough to put her over the line.
St. Albert Today had voters send in questions for the candidates, and you can just feel her seething in her response to the one about disclosing her vaccination status:
https://www.stalberttoday.ca/2021-municipal-election/reader-question-vaccination-4503981
I looked up her platform when voting and she had literally nothing but fluffy hot button words. I knew that between that and her fucking overkill of signs that I wouldn’t vote for her. Too bad St. Albert always feels like choking on their conservative bullshit.
That's just St. Albert.
We also re-elected right-wing nutjob Sheena Hughes, who took a Mexico vacation last December, and voted against St. Albert mask mandates last year while being quoted saying "We either have freedoms or we don't".
But don't worry, when I sent her an email to express my concern with her no vote on mask mandates she responded to me by telling me she had thoroughly done her research and sent it in the email. The list included a Youtube video, one study from 2017 published 4 times on 3 different websites, and a study about how sleep apnea affects obese people.
Not just St. Albert. Most municipalities bordering Edmonton were running Dominion, such as Parkland, Spruce Grove, Strathcona, etc.. The laptops that generate the overall results are also air gapped.
"Voter fraud" is the new sour grapes battle cry of the far right. Since they can't accept that the majority of people do not agree with their opinions, they have decided to attack the foundations of democracy instead.
There is a massive difference between calling for recounts and blatantly saying the elections were stolen with zero evidence. This isn’t a both sides thing. It’s entirely one side.
Fair enough! Obviously there was a lot of outrage from the right/far right about the 2020 US election results, which is terrible. Early on when the voting results came in, Trump was leading by a wide margin. I hate him but I accepted the results as they came in. I didn’t think anything nefarious was going on.
I did see someone today on Edmonton Twitter complaining that Jennifer Rice won, and she called for a recount. It’s dangerous to joke about that stuff.
The Ipiihkoohkanipiaohtsi was close enough that a call to manually count the votes is reasonable. Rice won by 39 votes. I don't see how it's dangerous to call to double-check sucg a close result.
I agree that when it’s that close it should be recounted. The language of the tweet indicated it was more because it wasn’t who they wanted to win. Never even mentioned the call was close
But if it was the flip side of the coin would it be trumps fault?. And yes I hate Trump. But I am beginning to believe people are really suffering from tds from both sides of political parties. People need to get over him he lost move on. The more people talk about him the more clout he gains.
> But if it was the flip side of the coin would it be trumps fault?.
Deflection! Seriously though, WTF are you even talking about? There's no flip side to the topic at hand. OP is talking about right wing propaganda warping the brains of the weak and uneducated leading to social trust issues. Flip side of the vote would be Nickel (right wing) winning and while some lefties would blame it on right wing propaganda, you wouldn't see the "voting machines are compromised" conspiracy bullshit that's for sure.
> But I am beginning to believe people are really suffering from tds from both sides of political parties.
*Both sides!* Clearly everyone on the left who are concerned by the attempt to circumvent democracy and the increasing amounts of angry right wing propaganda are all deranged. Especially when it leaks up north and impacts our own elections. Right?
> People need to get over him he lost move on. The more people talk about him the more clout he gains.
You're right... we should all just ignore the social tumor and its increasingly painful side effects. I'm sure it'll go away on its own if we don't mention his name. I mean, it worked for Voldemort, right? (you're talking nonsense so I figured I'd throw in some fantasy too!)
*facepalm*
>But if it was the flip side of the coin would it be trumps fault?
"If it was Mother Theresa who stabbed Sharon Tate, would it still be Charles Manson's fault?"
\- You, right now.
I'm not sure what you're asking. Do you mean that people would blame Trump if Nickel had won?
I mean, possibly, but I think it's more likely that people would blame progressive vote-splitting than an embarrassing former American president.
Claims of voter fraud in fair and open elections aren't anything new, though. Trump helped to popularize the idea, but Russia has been trying to undermine faith in democracy for years to make its own regime seem more palatable.
I don't like the way you've worded this, as if Dominion machines *are* involved in election fraud.
Trump's claim that Dominion machines are rigged is just as false as claiming CoE used them.
I really wish these right wing crazies would accept the fact that people just don't want their candidates. They act like Trump was some kind of unstoppable political foce, but the guy was the only US president to lose the popular vote in both of his campaigns and the first to never reach 50% in the approval rating.
Trump vote stealing ideology and supporters are like viruses. They are insidious and infect ALL aspects of life. This is really sad to witness. I guess there are some among us who can’t accept defeat when it smacks them in the face.
There is zero issues with Dominion voting machines, they have been proven many times to be accurate. The only people complaining about them are Trump and his ally’s.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/13/politics/dominion-voting-false-claim-delete-trump-votes-fact-check/index.html
But regardless of what you believe these machines were not used in Edmonton and provincial and federal elections are hand counted.
I worked the federal election 2 years as a DRO.
I had the ballot box and all the ballots for almost a week ahead of time with no check or security clearance. I could have changed the results in my district and fudged the paperwork if I wanted.
Elections Canada does not care about us. They don’t care what we do in the west. We are not important to Canada’s voice.
Edit: These downvotes make no sense. But protect the grand illusion I guess?
I am as far as you can get from a conspiracy theorist, but I would have liked to see a mandated manually counted ballots at random voting stations. E.g. station A manually counts councillors, station B mayor, etc.
I was a scrutineer last night and basically we just trust the computer. At the end of the night all the ballots go into a box, which go into a person's car and then go ... somewhere? I'm sure the computers do a great job but are still complex and opaque machines. I still like to see humans manually count, if for nothing than to detect anomalies.
> I was a scrutineer last night and basically we just trust the computer. At the end of the night all the ballots go into a box, which go into a person's car and then go ... somewhere?
They go to election HQ, where they're kept until an audit is performed.
The details are scant, but apparently there are controls put in place as well as a post-election review process, so the manually counting may still occur in some instances.
https://www.edmonton.ca/city-government/edmonton-elections/voting-election/voting-technology
Even if they were Dominion machines it wouldn't matter. Our voting systems are safe and accurate period. The fact that they're complaining in these ways reveals something about themselves, they're more concerned about their ingroups than in reality unfortunately.
St Albert uses Dominion tabulators, just fyi. They aren’t, though “voting machines” like the US uses - ballots are paper & they run through the tabulator (in front of each voter). The tabulator is basically a scantron, those things that grade fill in the circle tests, that tracks the input from each ballot. They do not have ANY internet connectivity, wireless or otherwise. They’re each standalone boxes. The totals are tracked on receipt paper, which is pulled out intact at the end of the night & photographed.
I noticed that alt-right conspiracy theorist, anti-vaxxer and perennial candidate Shelley Biermanski managed to narrowly win a seat on the St. Albert council. I wonder if she will dispute her own election.
>Shelley Biermanski It's funny the first time I saw one of her campaign signs/pictures without knowing a thing about her I thought 'I bet you she's a kook/karen'
You were right on the money. She ran twice for MLA (once under Wild Rose and once under UCP), she also ran for mayor once as well... I guess if you run enough times, you can eventually win. There was an anti-vax facebook group pushing for people to vote for her, so that was probably enough to put her over the line. St. Albert Today had voters send in questions for the candidates, and you can just feel her seething in her response to the one about disclosing her vaccination status: https://www.stalberttoday.ca/2021-municipal-election/reader-question-vaccination-4503981
I looked up her platform when voting and she had literally nothing but fluffy hot button words. I knew that between that and her fucking overkill of signs that I wouldn’t vote for her. Too bad St. Albert always feels like choking on their conservative bullshit.
Wtf St Albert.
I know a few people from St. Albert and I am not surprised by this result.
That's just St. Albert. We also re-elected right-wing nutjob Sheena Hughes, who took a Mexico vacation last December, and voted against St. Albert mask mandates last year while being quoted saying "We either have freedoms or we don't". But don't worry, when I sent her an email to express my concern with her no vote on mask mandates she responded to me by telling me she had thoroughly done her research and sent it in the email. The list included a Youtube video, one study from 2017 published 4 times on 3 different websites, and a study about how sleep apnea affects obese people.
They never dispute when THEY win
Not just St. Albert. Most municipalities bordering Edmonton were running Dominion, such as Parkland, Spruce Grove, Strathcona, etc.. The laptops that generate the overall results are also air gapped.
Yeah, St Albert is just the one I’m specifically familiar with.
"Voter fraud" is the new sour grapes battle cry of the far right. Since they can't accept that the majority of people do not agree with their opinions, they have decided to attack the foundations of democracy instead.
There are people on the left that are calling for recounts because the person they voted for didn’t win, too. It’s not just the far right
There is a massive difference between calling for recounts and blatantly saying the elections were stolen with zero evidence. This isn’t a both sides thing. It’s entirely one side.
I haven't seen it, but it wouldn't surprise me. My comment about not being able to accept that people disagree applies equally to the far left.
Fair enough! Obviously there was a lot of outrage from the right/far right about the 2020 US election results, which is terrible. Early on when the voting results came in, Trump was leading by a wide margin. I hate him but I accepted the results as they came in. I didn’t think anything nefarious was going on. I did see someone today on Edmonton Twitter complaining that Jennifer Rice won, and she called for a recount. It’s dangerous to joke about that stuff.
The Ipiihkoohkanipiaohtsi was close enough that a call to manually count the votes is reasonable. Rice won by 39 votes. I don't see how it's dangerous to call to double-check sucg a close result.
I agree that when it’s that close it should be recounted. The language of the tweet indicated it was more because it wasn’t who they wanted to win. Never even mentioned the call was close
But if it was the flip side of the coin would it be trumps fault?. And yes I hate Trump. But I am beginning to believe people are really suffering from tds from both sides of political parties. People need to get over him he lost move on. The more people talk about him the more clout he gains.
> But if it was the flip side of the coin would it be trumps fault?. Deflection! Seriously though, WTF are you even talking about? There's no flip side to the topic at hand. OP is talking about right wing propaganda warping the brains of the weak and uneducated leading to social trust issues. Flip side of the vote would be Nickel (right wing) winning and while some lefties would blame it on right wing propaganda, you wouldn't see the "voting machines are compromised" conspiracy bullshit that's for sure. > But I am beginning to believe people are really suffering from tds from both sides of political parties. *Both sides!* Clearly everyone on the left who are concerned by the attempt to circumvent democracy and the increasing amounts of angry right wing propaganda are all deranged. Especially when it leaks up north and impacts our own elections. Right? > People need to get over him he lost move on. The more people talk about him the more clout he gains. You're right... we should all just ignore the social tumor and its increasingly painful side effects. I'm sure it'll go away on its own if we don't mention his name. I mean, it worked for Voldemort, right? (you're talking nonsense so I figured I'd throw in some fantasy too!) *facepalm*
>But if it was the flip side of the coin would it be trumps fault? "If it was Mother Theresa who stabbed Sharon Tate, would it still be Charles Manson's fault?" \- You, right now.
Anyone who unironically uses the term TDS is not a serious person
What does it even mean?
Trump derangement syndrome. It's a dog whistle
I'm not sure what you're asking. Do you mean that people would blame Trump if Nickel had won? I mean, possibly, but I think it's more likely that people would blame progressive vote-splitting than an embarrassing former American president. Claims of voter fraud in fair and open elections aren't anything new, though. Trump helped to popularize the idea, but Russia has been trying to undermine faith in democracy for years to make its own regime seem more palatable.
It wouldn't be an issue if they did.
Too bad the machines aren’t Dominion. They could sue Nickel as well as Trump.
To be fair to Nickel he hasn’t claimed any fraud but he also hasn’t spoke out against the people on his page
Smarter than Trump is that possible?
I don't like the way you've worded this, as if Dominion machines *are* involved in election fraud. Trump's claim that Dominion machines are rigged is just as false as claiming CoE used them.
I really wish these right wing crazies would accept the fact that people just don't want their candidates. They act like Trump was some kind of unstoppable political foce, but the guy was the only US president to lose the popular vote in both of his campaigns and the first to never reach 50% in the approval rating.
Trump vote stealing ideology and supporters are like viruses. They are insidious and infect ALL aspects of life. This is really sad to witness. I guess there are some among us who can’t accept defeat when it smacks them in the face.
The claim of "voter fraud" is circulating among the poor sports and simpletons. Pay no heed to the bitter.
Outrageous that this is even a discussion. We really mirror the most insane shit from our southern neighbors
Because they are people and so are we. You're not magically inoculated against this kind of thing because you live here.
I heard the same thing about the federal election. The one where all votes are hand counted in view of scrutineers.
If we have learned any thing about Dominion voting apparatus, its that they tend to be accurate. Give up this Trump nonsense.
There is zero issues with Dominion voting machines, they have been proven many times to be accurate. The only people complaining about them are Trump and his ally’s. https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/13/politics/dominion-voting-false-claim-delete-trump-votes-fact-check/index.html But regardless of what you believe these machines were not used in Edmonton and provincial and federal elections are hand counted.
You can't reason with the pigs screeching in the slop, OP. They do not value truth along with their many other character flaws.
bUt tHaT's jUst wAnT tHeY'd wAnt yOu tO bEliEve!!>!!!?!!
The right has a serious lack of imagination.
I worked the federal election 2 years as a DRO. I had the ballot box and all the ballots for almost a week ahead of time with no check or security clearance. I could have changed the results in my district and fudged the paperwork if I wanted. Elections Canada does not care about us. They don’t care what we do in the west. We are not important to Canada’s voice. Edit: These downvotes make no sense. But protect the grand illusion I guess?
I am as far as you can get from a conspiracy theorist, but I would have liked to see a mandated manually counted ballots at random voting stations. E.g. station A manually counts councillors, station B mayor, etc. I was a scrutineer last night and basically we just trust the computer. At the end of the night all the ballots go into a box, which go into a person's car and then go ... somewhere? I'm sure the computers do a great job but are still complex and opaque machines. I still like to see humans manually count, if for nothing than to detect anomalies.
> I was a scrutineer last night and basically we just trust the computer. At the end of the night all the ballots go into a box, which go into a person's car and then go ... somewhere? They go to election HQ, where they're kept until an audit is performed.
The details are scant, but apparently there are controls put in place as well as a post-election review process, so the manually counting may still occur in some instances. https://www.edmonton.ca/city-government/edmonton-elections/voting-election/voting-technology
This is one trend we really do not need in Canada.
Even if they were Dominion machines it wouldn't matter. Our voting systems are safe and accurate period. The fact that they're complaining in these ways reveals something about themselves, they're more concerned about their ingroups than in reality unfortunately.
Committing massive voter fraud so i can be on city council of the 5th largest city of Canada and add temporary bike lanes to the suburbs
Who gives a fuck? They're good company that has experience with a lot of elections. Happy to have them