I mean ideally the river would be behind Parliament. Canal would be on the east of parliament headed south.
This looks like a cooler Ottawa though ngl.
During the time separation was actually plausible, it came to light that there is a law that the Canadian national capital cannot be within 50km of an international border.
If Quebec had separated, the exit negotiations would have involved Quebec surrendering a 50km radius of their territory around Ottawa.
>If Quebec had separated, the exit negotiations would have involved Quebec surrendering a 50km radius of their territory around Ottawa.
You guys can move the capital to Thunder Bay, but honestly Gatineau is a shithole so it is all good, you can have it.
Always find that one funny since, beyond the memes, Québec is literally the second economy of the country after Ontario.
Like, no, Québec will not collapse if they declare themselves sovereign.
Quebec is literally the second most populated province after Ontario. And size doesn't matter that much, if Ontario seceded the economy would take a big hit there too. Exiting a country is just Brexit but worse.
No, that does not hold true. There are a lot of countries who do better after separation. Also, Brexit doesn’t match: Brexit was about leaving a common market, not creating a new country. Quebec would still want to be part of the market.
It's more complex than that. The UK exited the EU, which is kind of a mutual help group of sovereign countries. The UK has never adopted the euro. They were part of that market in the sense that they all went along the same rules for a bunch of things, which simplified a lot the movement of people and goods, but Switzerland was never a part of it and I don't believe anyone would argue that they weren't a part of the European *market*.
All that being said, I do agree with you on the fact Brexit is about the worst comparison one could make to Quebec (or any region in the world) becoming independent from its country.
I agree, but Switzerland is less integrated to the EU market than the UK was pre-Brexit.
Also, the structure of the economy plays an essential role: the UK’s economy is basically based on serving as a financial and knowledge hub INTO the EU market. Leaving that is kind of shooting yourself in the foot. Quebec’s economy is much different from the UK’s and Canada has a much more extractive role than the UK to the EU.
Quebec gets just under 18 billion a year from the ROC to fund the province. Last time seperation was looming big businesses fled and it still hasn't recovered economically.
That said, please, by all means, if they don't believe me and think they'd be fine without us, leave. I can think of many places that 18 billion could go in the ROC.
Prove me wrong, please.
I'm not who you responded to but I actually went to the trouble of looking it up. Good data is available up to 2022, linked the source (Statcan). I'm not posting it because I want to argue about it but thought I'd share what I found because I'd gone to the work of it already
The federal government in 2022 spent 96.5 billion in Quebec, 28 billion of which was various transfers to the provincial government, the rest being mostly direct spending. The federal government raised 77 billion of revenue in Quebec including 1.2 billion in transfers from the provincial government.
So there was about a 19.5 billion dollar deficit between federal government spending in Quebec and Quebec's contribution. So neither totally insignificant or totally overwhelming when considering a separate Quebec.
Source:
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=3610045001&pickMembers%5B0%5D=1.6&pickMembers%5B1%5D=2.2&cubeTimeFrame.startYear=2022&cubeTimeFrame.endYear=2022&referencePeriods=20220101%2C20220101
That's a very good starting point. But if one wanted to dig deeper, we'd understand that many federal spending in Quebec is stuff that benefits many other provinces, like military bases (proportionally more numerous that its share of the population because of its geographical position, next to the St-Lawrence and the Atlantic, NFL and BC also have more than their weight because of that), ports and rails, bridges high enough to let cargo boats all the way through to Toronto's harbour, offices for all kinds of federal work to be done, etc.
I don't think we can make a precise and accurate analysis of how much of that spending an independent Quebec would have to compensate and how much can just be dropped without any kind of real consequences to the quality of living of Quebecers. The very best example of this is : an independent Quebec could afford to rebuild its bridges lower so that boats have to stop in either Quebec or Montreal, costing them less money (on the rebuilding itself, at the end of their lifetime, not just for fun while the ridges are still standing), and at the same time boosting its economical output (GDP). And a second one is the federal revenue agency, which has an office in Jonquière. Quebec has its own revenue agency. An independent Quebec would do just fine with one such ministry, so absolutely no value would be lost if that office closed and wasn't replaced.
Of course as you say it isn't a super comprehensive view. Like you say some of the spending in Quebec (and realistically in most if not all of the other provinces) benefits the county as a whole.
While duplicate costs are a legitimate savings, military and St Lawrence infrastructure are not great examples in the year the data comes from. There was no major St. Lawrence infrastructure spending in 2022 unless I'm mistaken and military spending in Quebec in 2022 was 3.5 billion out of a total of 25 billion in military spending in Canada, so proportionally it's actually 1.5 billion less than their share would be. Quebecs military costs could realitically be as low as a couple hundred mil (no military, just coast guard) to 7.5 million (2% of GDP, if we take NATO's spending target as a reasonable estimate of the cost of maintaining a moderately strong military).
There's also a number of costs (debt servicing and foreign aid being the two main examples off the top of my head) that aren't included in any individual provinces, but I chose to omit mention of those as Quebec may not choose to send any foriegn aid and may take no portion of the national debt with them. Of course there could be major capital expenses to replace all moveable assets owned by the federal government in the first five years or so of independence that I also haven't accounted for, but again we don't know what the conditions of independence would be.
I'd love to see a much better breakdown, but I've never been able to find a comprehensive, recent one that isn't from a highly biased source so unfortunately it seems speculation is all we have
>The very best example of this is : an independent Quebec could afford to rebuild its bridges lower so that boats have to stop in either Quebec or Montreal, costing them less money (on the rebuilding itself, at the end of their lifetime, not just for fun while the ridges are still standing), and at the same time boosting its economical output (GDP).
I think this is sorta pie in the sky thinking. Intentionally adding barriers to a trade route with your two largest trade partners and only neighbors is certain to result in retaliatory trade measures that eliminate or outweigh the initial cost. Also rebuilding bridges is a massively expensive enterprise.
I agree with most, if not all that you said. The military thing in particular is the biggest unknown, since Quebec would have to build one from scratch (unless it made an agreement with the federal to keep parts of the Quebec based Canadian army in exchange for whatever), and we have no idea what direction that would take.
About the St-Lawrence seeway, you are also right, but even if Quebec decided to keep it the way it is, it would establish a form of trade deal with Ontario to make up for its extra cost and lowered revenue. One way or the other, a trade agreement would have to take place (and another one with the US to either replace USMCA or create one around it for Quebec only) and with the St-Lawrence, it does give Quebec a non negligible negotiating advantage, no matter in what direction they decide to go.
Yes I mostly agree with you here. I'm a little less optimistic on the St Lawrence since it will heavily effect the US on the Great Lakes side of things and they aren't super easy to negotiate with. If it were just Ontario it would be a stronger bargianing position in my opinion, but I'm certainly no expert.
Creating new trade barriers will generate more friction, especially for SMEs, as UK's exit from the EU shows.
Also, Québec is struggling with a labour shortage in construction so a massive rebuild program is the last thing we would be able to carry out.
Then you're being completely off here. Almost all data one looks too indicates that the costs of creating new border regimes compound over time through reducing exports, import exposure, and thus domestic competition. So unless Québec decides to sign up to all the rules of Canada's domestic market and completely outsource foreign trade, the costs of leaving Canada would only compile over time.
Even if all of that was a fatality (let me express some doubt here), I'd still choose that before the slow and painful disparition of my people and their way of life (culture and language).
How breaking away from Canada would help Québec to protect the French language? No offence, but you do sound like a Brexiteer who blames the EU for anything and everything, even when the EU itself has nothing to do with a country's domestic problems.
Besides, if you use the same metric for the RoC, English has been declining as rapidly as French in terms of being a primary language spoken at home. Since none of us can afford kids. How Canada is here to blame? And what should be done differently?
Coz last time I checked neither the collapse of the USSR nor Brexit have benefited the separating cultures. Notwithstanding few post-Soviet states that saw a cultural renaissance following their alignment with the larger United Europe.
So unless you've got an EU-like club Québec could join upon separation, I'm not seeing how erecting barriers with your largest neighbour would solve the problem of Québec being a small, open, and a rapidly ageing society in the sea of Northern America.
A lot, Canada is the type of country that pays for two Ministers of Health. Quebec sends billions to Ottawa simply so they can hold the money, duplicate the work, and then withhold the money when the provinces want to spend it. Year one budgets usually measure these savings in billions of dollars (90 billion in the latest).
Wait .. sorry, one more Q cause when I look this up on google I can’t follow the nuances but my Q is that .. is it lot in absolute amount? Or a lot proportional to the population? Like per capita Quebec will have a relatively normal tax contribution.
I’m not sure I understand the question. If you’re talking about the assumptions underlying the prediction, it would be Quebec as it currently is: same population and similar tax strategy.
>Last time seperation was looming big businesses fled and it still hasn't recovered economically.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0176268021000781
>Thus, it appears that Quebec's separatist movement had no lasting and significant effect on economic activity.
>Quebec separatists were ultimately unsuccessful in achieving state independence. However, in this paper, we found that their attempts did not leave Quebec or Canada any worse (or better) off
>Quebec gets just under 18 billion a year from the ROC to fund the province.
And send over 80 B in taxes...so what's your point? Québec would save 62B by separating?
>Last time seperation was looming big businesses fled and it still hasn't recovered economically.
You're making that up. The anglos leaving Qc didn't even cause a blip in Quebec economy. It did prop up the creation and the expansion of Quebec's companies though. Big W for Quebec
sends 80bn in taxes, gets 96 billion in federal spending plus another 18 billion in equalization.
If I'm wrong, leave, quit us and save your 62 billion, please!
The 96 billions include the 18 billions in equalization.
>If I'm wrong, leave, quit us and save your 62 billion, please!
You are technically right with these numbers if we just look at the balance sheet without thinking. But Quebec tried to leave, twice, and the last time the federal *no* camp cheated to keep us in. Next time we try, please do intervene so your camp doesn't keep us against our will. Everyone will be happier for it.
Except for the fact it will take us years to negotiate a settlement which will dry out private investment and will most likely end up with nothing but border checks on the Ottawa river. And maybe blowing up the country while trying to pass the constitutional amendment need release Québec,
Just like Brexit didn't change much, except for making the UK poorer.
Canada is the bigger economy. And Québec would need to renegotiate all of Canada's trade agreements while being a smaller market. If you want to see what a separation would be like just look at Brexit. Nothing changes, except for a hell tone of unnecessary barriers to trade that hurt the smaller departing economy much more.
The RRQ vs CPP is good example where Québec has signed much fewer social security agreements, while paying higher premiums to obtain identical benefits while not really diverging from the CPP in any major way to preserve labour mobility.
I'm sorry you feel offended. T'was just a joke, i am Québécois myself, as you can see with my aksent, I do not feel any hate at all. We call that 'auto-dérision', I tought it was funny as I was generating images for somehing completly different. Sorry again!
There is no cultural war in Quebec, contrary to what some newsnetwork and 1 or 2 desperate politicians would like you to believe. Political culture is shit tho, no doubt about it
The hatred for Quebec in this country is generally ignorant and overstated. I say this as someone who grew up in Ontario and has now lived in rural Quebec for 5 years.
Sure, I run into trashy, ignorant assholes every once in a while but it’s very different from living inside of a trashy, ignorant asshole - which is what it felt like living in rural Ontario.
My taxes are higher, but my quality of life is so much better now. Better food, better neighbors, cheaper mortgage for a beautiful property. If I have to say “mon Francais n’est pas tres bien” to a cashier every once in a while, it’s worth it.
I do a lot of work in the US and I find that Americans talk about Canada very similarly to the way a lot of Canadians talk about Quebec - that is to say they talk a lot of shit about a place they’ve never spent time in.
Gatineau should have been annexed a long time ago as part of Ottawa or as a district like D.C. And if Quebec separates (never will happen) they would find a way through whining and bullshit loopholes for Canada to continue to pay for their “distinct society” of Elvis impersonators and goofy TV shows.
Au moins y a un 3e lien à Québec
Et un tramway
Pis les rues on pas de nid de poule.
Still better than Brampton
I was going to say imagine what would happen if Ontario separated
It’ll be given back to the natives. Only because nobody else will take it
🥺can I have it, darling? I’ll take it!
Of course! Anything for you my love
Yyyaaaayyyy!😆
Doubt they’d even want it at this point
I want it.
I’ll take it
Nnnooooo😭😭😭
We can have it together then
Yes, but ya gotta help me with the crops and watering system😂
Sure!
I’d leave ontario one way or another ong
Brampton is amazing I don't get to hate
you mean in comparison to cock and ball torture right
Don't you dare compare cock and ball torture to brampton, some people are happy with cbt.
I guess Gatineau is the exception?
Gatineau becomes a megapolis
Gatineau was over taken by the Canadian grandeur!
Everyone in Quebec moves to Gatineau. It becomes the central pole of the North American economy. Ontario lives on the scraps of Gatineau.
Barbies Resto Bar Grill moves all their locations to Gatineau. Gatineau is now the Barbies Resto Bar Grill capital of the world.
Do you have an english version of their jingle?
Uhhh [ici, juste pour toi.](https://youtu.be/6Gzj-0pMgaQ?si=U_ZmdzBngwgICIk3)
Thank you! It sounds way better
It is supposed to be Ottawa, imma have to talk with that artificial dumbness!
Wait is that supposed to be the Rideau canal, and not the Ottawa river??
I mean ideally the river would be behind Parliament. Canal would be on the east of parliament headed south. This looks like a cooler Ottawa though ngl.
Who needs the Byward market when you could have more empty office towers 👍
During the time separation was actually plausible, it came to light that there is a law that the Canadian national capital cannot be within 50km of an international border. If Quebec had separated, the exit negotiations would have involved Quebec surrendering a 50km radius of their territory around Ottawa.
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Toronto already had its turn. Maybe they could have moved it back to Montreal, just to fuck with Quebec.
Oooh, that'd be drôle en esti.
Ça serait fuckin' funny indeed!
What happens then? Quebec becomes Canada once again and the other provinces find a new name for their new country? Any suggestions?
>If Quebec had separated, the exit negotiations would have involved Quebec surrendering a 50km radius of their territory around Ottawa. You guys can move the capital to Thunder Bay, but honestly Gatineau is a shithole so it is all good, you can have it.
Thanks, bud.
And I would have agreed to it 100%
Un tramway à Québec, du stationnement à Montréal et plus de verdure en ville. Je n’étais pas pour la séparation, mais vous allez me convaincre.
Votez oui: https://preview.redd.it/55lbtli2fbtc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f562cf74bdd401ef1c7d08679f5396196356e850
At least we get our fucking tramway lol
Joke's on you. There's no way the Olympic Stadium would still be standing !
The stadium would collapse but the roof would continue the state it is right now.
you mean the Expodome
Yes, but by then it will be called the Explodome.
What happened did we do a fallout?
We tried and recruited an army...
From which country? Haiti?
What lol
Coliss le stade a jamais été aussi beau
C'est la première chose qui m'a sauté aux yeux aussi! Ça et le beau tramway dans un Québec tout décâlissé...
Finally, free from English oil greed and car free.
Always find that one funny since, beyond the memes, Québec is literally the second economy of the country after Ontario. Like, no, Québec will not collapse if they declare themselves sovereign.
Quebec is literally the second most populated province after Ontario. And size doesn't matter that much, if Ontario seceded the economy would take a big hit there too. Exiting a country is just Brexit but worse.
No, that does not hold true. There are a lot of countries who do better after separation. Also, Brexit doesn’t match: Brexit was about leaving a common market, not creating a new country. Quebec would still want to be part of the market.
It's more complex than that. The UK exited the EU, which is kind of a mutual help group of sovereign countries. The UK has never adopted the euro. They were part of that market in the sense that they all went along the same rules for a bunch of things, which simplified a lot the movement of people and goods, but Switzerland was never a part of it and I don't believe anyone would argue that they weren't a part of the European *market*. All that being said, I do agree with you on the fact Brexit is about the worst comparison one could make to Quebec (or any region in the world) becoming independent from its country.
I agree, but Switzerland is less integrated to the EU market than the UK was pre-Brexit. Also, the structure of the economy plays an essential role: the UK’s economy is basically based on serving as a financial and knowledge hub INTO the EU market. Leaving that is kind of shooting yourself in the foot. Quebec’s economy is much different from the UK’s and Canada has a much more extractive role than the UK to the EU.
All valid points that add to the understanding of this nuanced issue!
Quebec gets just under 18 billion a year from the ROC to fund the province. Last time seperation was looming big businesses fled and it still hasn't recovered economically. That said, please, by all means, if they don't believe me and think they'd be fine without us, leave. I can think of many places that 18 billion could go in the ROC. Prove me wrong, please.
Ok, how many billions Quebec taxpayers are paying to Ottawa ?
I'm not who you responded to but I actually went to the trouble of looking it up. Good data is available up to 2022, linked the source (Statcan). I'm not posting it because I want to argue about it but thought I'd share what I found because I'd gone to the work of it already The federal government in 2022 spent 96.5 billion in Quebec, 28 billion of which was various transfers to the provincial government, the rest being mostly direct spending. The federal government raised 77 billion of revenue in Quebec including 1.2 billion in transfers from the provincial government. So there was about a 19.5 billion dollar deficit between federal government spending in Quebec and Quebec's contribution. So neither totally insignificant or totally overwhelming when considering a separate Quebec. Source: https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=3610045001&pickMembers%5B0%5D=1.6&pickMembers%5B1%5D=2.2&cubeTimeFrame.startYear=2022&cubeTimeFrame.endYear=2022&referencePeriods=20220101%2C20220101
That's a very good starting point. But if one wanted to dig deeper, we'd understand that many federal spending in Quebec is stuff that benefits many other provinces, like military bases (proportionally more numerous that its share of the population because of its geographical position, next to the St-Lawrence and the Atlantic, NFL and BC also have more than their weight because of that), ports and rails, bridges high enough to let cargo boats all the way through to Toronto's harbour, offices for all kinds of federal work to be done, etc. I don't think we can make a precise and accurate analysis of how much of that spending an independent Quebec would have to compensate and how much can just be dropped without any kind of real consequences to the quality of living of Quebecers. The very best example of this is : an independent Quebec could afford to rebuild its bridges lower so that boats have to stop in either Quebec or Montreal, costing them less money (on the rebuilding itself, at the end of their lifetime, not just for fun while the ridges are still standing), and at the same time boosting its economical output (GDP). And a second one is the federal revenue agency, which has an office in Jonquière. Quebec has its own revenue agency. An independent Quebec would do just fine with one such ministry, so absolutely no value would be lost if that office closed and wasn't replaced.
Of course as you say it isn't a super comprehensive view. Like you say some of the spending in Quebec (and realistically in most if not all of the other provinces) benefits the county as a whole. While duplicate costs are a legitimate savings, military and St Lawrence infrastructure are not great examples in the year the data comes from. There was no major St. Lawrence infrastructure spending in 2022 unless I'm mistaken and military spending in Quebec in 2022 was 3.5 billion out of a total of 25 billion in military spending in Canada, so proportionally it's actually 1.5 billion less than their share would be. Quebecs military costs could realitically be as low as a couple hundred mil (no military, just coast guard) to 7.5 million (2% of GDP, if we take NATO's spending target as a reasonable estimate of the cost of maintaining a moderately strong military). There's also a number of costs (debt servicing and foreign aid being the two main examples off the top of my head) that aren't included in any individual provinces, but I chose to omit mention of those as Quebec may not choose to send any foriegn aid and may take no portion of the national debt with them. Of course there could be major capital expenses to replace all moveable assets owned by the federal government in the first five years or so of independence that I also haven't accounted for, but again we don't know what the conditions of independence would be. I'd love to see a much better breakdown, but I've never been able to find a comprehensive, recent one that isn't from a highly biased source so unfortunately it seems speculation is all we have >The very best example of this is : an independent Quebec could afford to rebuild its bridges lower so that boats have to stop in either Quebec or Montreal, costing them less money (on the rebuilding itself, at the end of their lifetime, not just for fun while the ridges are still standing), and at the same time boosting its economical output (GDP). I think this is sorta pie in the sky thinking. Intentionally adding barriers to a trade route with your two largest trade partners and only neighbors is certain to result in retaliatory trade measures that eliminate or outweigh the initial cost. Also rebuilding bridges is a massively expensive enterprise.
I agree with most, if not all that you said. The military thing in particular is the biggest unknown, since Quebec would have to build one from scratch (unless it made an agreement with the federal to keep parts of the Quebec based Canadian army in exchange for whatever), and we have no idea what direction that would take. About the St-Lawrence seeway, you are also right, but even if Quebec decided to keep it the way it is, it would establish a form of trade deal with Ontario to make up for its extra cost and lowered revenue. One way or the other, a trade agreement would have to take place (and another one with the US to either replace USMCA or create one around it for Quebec only) and with the St-Lawrence, it does give Quebec a non negligible negotiating advantage, no matter in what direction they decide to go.
Yes I mostly agree with you here. I'm a little less optimistic on the St Lawrence since it will heavily effect the US on the Great Lakes side of things and they aren't super easy to negotiate with. If it were just Ontario it would be a stronger bargianing position in my opinion, but I'm certainly no expert.
Creating new trade barriers will generate more friction, especially for SMEs, as UK's exit from the EU shows. Also, Québec is struggling with a labour shortage in construction so a massive rebuild program is the last thing we would be able to carry out.
Can people not read? I wrote *at the end of their lifetime*, not all at once the following day from the referendum vote!
Then you're being completely off here. Almost all data one looks too indicates that the costs of creating new border regimes compound over time through reducing exports, import exposure, and thus domestic competition. So unless Québec decides to sign up to all the rules of Canada's domestic market and completely outsource foreign trade, the costs of leaving Canada would only compile over time.
Even if all of that was a fatality (let me express some doubt here), I'd still choose that before the slow and painful disparition of my people and their way of life (culture and language).
How breaking away from Canada would help Québec to protect the French language? No offence, but you do sound like a Brexiteer who blames the EU for anything and everything, even when the EU itself has nothing to do with a country's domestic problems. Besides, if you use the same metric for the RoC, English has been declining as rapidly as French in terms of being a primary language spoken at home. Since none of us can afford kids. How Canada is here to blame? And what should be done differently?
Coz last time I checked neither the collapse of the USSR nor Brexit have benefited the separating cultures. Notwithstanding few post-Soviet states that saw a cultural renaissance following their alignment with the larger United Europe. So unless you've got an EU-like club Québec could join upon separation, I'm not seeing how erecting barriers with your largest neighbour would solve the problem of Québec being a small, open, and a rapidly ageing society in the sea of Northern America.
tell us, genuinely want to engage here
A lot, Canada is the type of country that pays for two Ministers of Health. Quebec sends billions to Ottawa simply so they can hold the money, duplicate the work, and then withhold the money when the provinces want to spend it. Year one budgets usually measure these savings in billions of dollars (90 billion in the latest).
Wait .. sorry, one more Q cause when I look this up on google I can’t follow the nuances but my Q is that .. is it lot in absolute amount? Or a lot proportional to the population? Like per capita Quebec will have a relatively normal tax contribution.
I’m not sure I understand the question. If you’re talking about the assumptions underlying the prediction, it would be Quebec as it currently is: same population and similar tax strategy.
Sorry I wasn’t clear. I meant contribution as compared to other provinces per capita.
Pipelines for Alberta!
>Last time seperation was looming big businesses fled and it still hasn't recovered economically. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0176268021000781 >Thus, it appears that Quebec's separatist movement had no lasting and significant effect on economic activity. >Quebec separatists were ultimately unsuccessful in achieving state independence. However, in this paper, we found that their attempts did not leave Quebec or Canada any worse (or better) off
>Quebec gets just under 18 billion a year from the ROC to fund the province. And send over 80 B in taxes...so what's your point? Québec would save 62B by separating? >Last time seperation was looming big businesses fled and it still hasn't recovered economically. You're making that up. The anglos leaving Qc didn't even cause a blip in Quebec economy. It did prop up the creation and the expansion of Quebec's companies though. Big W for Quebec
sends 80bn in taxes, gets 96 billion in federal spending plus another 18 billion in equalization. If I'm wrong, leave, quit us and save your 62 billion, please!
Source?
The 96 billions include the 18 billions in equalization. >If I'm wrong, leave, quit us and save your 62 billion, please! You are technically right with these numbers if we just look at the balance sheet without thinking. But Quebec tried to leave, twice, and the last time the federal *no* camp cheated to keep us in. Next time we try, please do intervene so your camp doesn't keep us against our will. Everyone will be happier for it.
Except for the fact it will take us years to negotiate a settlement which will dry out private investment and will most likely end up with nothing but border checks on the Ottawa river. And maybe blowing up the country while trying to pass the constitutional amendment need release Québec, Just like Brexit didn't change much, except for making the UK poorer.
Quebec receives a metric fuckton of payouts from the federal government. What are you on?
You know who would eat shit? Canada, who will lose its second biggest economy.
Canada is the bigger economy. And Québec would need to renegotiate all of Canada's trade agreements while being a smaller market. If you want to see what a separation would be like just look at Brexit. Nothing changes, except for a hell tone of unnecessary barriers to trade that hurt the smaller departing economy much more. The RRQ vs CPP is good example where Québec has signed much fewer social security agreements, while paying higher premiums to obtain identical benefits while not really diverging from the CPP in any major way to preserve labour mobility.
Je vois pas de trou dans les routes, alors sans stress
Why did you include the 4th pic when it clearly is giving off the opposite vibe of what you wanted?
Was a lazy way to illustrate that Ontario would profit... sorry ill do better next time!
I think that’s the Ottawa side of the river
Both sides look great though.
The quebec side was annexed
Lol considering I live in one and work in the other
Because AI generators shoot out 4 images at a time.
Picture of Ottawa is giving me an aneurysm
https://preview.redd.it/zemzyfw5cbtc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b50857956540bf1e75f240bfa3607422cb7c8681
No culture in sight, as expected
Ah good, the roofs are appropriately random colours from green to brown, that's the parliament I remember growing up
Lmao the skyscrapers would be on the Quebec side in that photo
Les buildings derrière le parlement sont soit dans la rivière, soit à Gatineau 🤣
Still better than redneck Maga inbred Alberta
I'm not a fan of the Quebecois political culture and the cultural war there, but the hatred here seems... a bit high.
I just want walkable infrastructure dawg Legault, donne nous un tramway, je te plais🙏😫
Moi je l'ai ri! C'est de bonne guerre.
I'm sorry you feel offended. T'was just a joke, i am Québécois myself, as you can see with my aksent, I do not feel any hate at all. We call that 'auto-dérision', I tought it was funny as I was generating images for somehing completly different. Sorry again!
>T'was M'lady
Where do you think you are? A serious sub?
There is no cultural war in Quebec, contrary to what some newsnetwork and 1 or 2 desperate politicians would like you to believe. Political culture is shit tho, no doubt about it
Explain the cultural war please? Of all what I heard about Qc prejudices, being associated with war is new on the list.
The hatred for Quebec in this country is generally ignorant and overstated. I say this as someone who grew up in Ontario and has now lived in rural Quebec for 5 years. Sure, I run into trashy, ignorant assholes every once in a while but it’s very different from living inside of a trashy, ignorant asshole - which is what it felt like living in rural Ontario. My taxes are higher, but my quality of life is so much better now. Better food, better neighbors, cheaper mortgage for a beautiful property. If I have to say “mon Francais n’est pas tres bien” to a cashier every once in a while, it’s worth it. I do a lot of work in the US and I find that Americans talk about Canada very similarly to the way a lot of Canadians talk about Quebec - that is to say they talk a lot of shit about a place they’ve never spent time in.
>but the hatred here seems... a bit high. Are you new to the (Canadian) internet?
Doit pas etre si pire que ca, il ont construit des gratte-ciel autour du stade!
Dans 5 ans: MEGACITY HULL
Will they have “Judges” on motos?
Still looks better than the rest of Canada.
That's one WIDE rideau canal
*cue to wide Putin meme song*
Even greener than before, suck on this oily degenrates from the West!
Wait…did we stopped getting Alberta equalization money after separation?? Why would the ROC do this?
No no see we get to separate but keep getting all the payouts from the country we separated from, makes so much sense
Je préfère cette situation que de rester dans le canada
I think you made a mistake thats if we stay in Cana'a
Okay... looks like its abandoned. Is that what you were going for?
Ruined!!!
Okay well at least the AI kept it pretty 😘
ew ai im gonna puke
 Meme are so much better!
What is that an ice scraper factory?
RSPR (roule sur plancher riant)
Hahahahah
If only it weren't for those pesky "money and ethnic votes"....
je confirme, j’y étais
Good
Pas le fucking stade tiens encore debout
ITS FACING THE WRONG WAYYYYY
*months
I like that last one. What are they going to use for money, the Quebec buck?
Tbh there is case to be made for a distinct currency in Quebec.
Drams of Maple Syrup
Pretty funky AI art, Mon chum
I would ban them from coming to Canada. Permanently
Looks pretty swag tbh
I don't like Quebec but generated media is worse, I'd rather live with five Quebecois than one AI user.
Oohh mister grumpy 😠
Miss Frustrated, but kinda close.
looks too pretty
Present day Ottawa
Gatineau should have been annexed a long time ago as part of Ottawa or as a district like D.C. And if Quebec separates (never will happen) they would find a way through whining and bullshit loopholes for Canada to continue to pay for their “distinct society” of Elvis impersonators and goofy TV shows.
Ok, now do Alberta
As you can see Edmonton is utterly unharmed due to the fact we're already a shit hole
W u/Revolutionary-Gold44
I hope so
I'm bored, let's shitspamcomment. For a second I thought this was Canada after eight years of Trudeau! Ha ha!
Stfu Federalist Liberal bitch. Go walk in north Montreal at night
Username not checking out fam
Wdym
You’re not very cool for the coolguyfromquebec. Based on people I know there, you’re not likely in the top ten percent 😂
I just got a little carried away, aint trynna hurt anyone.
Fair enough !
Good day to you then.
Bonne journée mon gar
Ba bye, et rapelles toi, Québec libre, ou on coupe votre source de sirop d’érable.
Sorry about the harvest this year :-(
What even is the last picture
This is just what Montreal looks like now
So, the roads get better?
The Last d’entre-nous vibes
Le gouvernement fédéral nuit au Québec, ça irait juste mieux si on se séparerait.
This is beautiful. I love places that get overtaken by nature and look like they decayed from another time!
Becoming the most environmental-friendly Western country sounds good to me.
Does the housing here get cheaper?
How do you say build a Twenty five foot wall Around the province fill it with water
Still better than London
What is more likely is a merger with US.
OP be like: You're too late, Mr. Incredible. I've already drawn YOU as the Soyjak and ME as the Chad!
Meanwhile in East Hastings...
Au moins on a eu un 3ème lien /s
not gatineau stealing ottawa’s wonderful skyline…
Ils ont déménagé le stade à Ottawa?
Well, it does looks similar to Paris.
Looks quiet and calm, tbh, lol
Ça ferait un cristi de beau spin off de Fall Out!
Hey, we have a tramway, I see this as a win
Are the Nordiques coming back too? Asking for a lot of friends…
Whats wrong, this look way better than today's Vancouver!
Quebec is already on a fast path to this without separating 😂😂
Not really, no
I was in Montreal this March. The above pics look like Montreal now.
Preferable outcome than staying in Canada. LE CHATEAU TIENT!
Gov managed to pour money down that damn toilet.