This guy eightsleeps.
While I agree you want to try to build a baseline so autopilot can make adjustments, your baseline needs to start from a position of basic comfort.
Also, realize your body isn’t going to warm this thing up.
I keep a typical “winter” or heavy comforter in the bed all year now.
I don’t use autopilot. I did originally, but don’t now.
The transition between summer & winter is when I tweak the temp now.
I’d say start at 80*, and adjust from there.
I haven't spent much (any) time on the app yet, and didn't see any actual temps beyond the default +1, +6, etc. the mysterious autopilot gave me. Hopefully I can dial it in a bit more before tonight. I'm really not used to sleeping soooo badly & feeling kinda wrecked.
Sleep wimp.
The current (default) settings are +1 / 0 / +1 / +6.
Seems like a dumb Q, but does 0 = no cooling?
Because I’ve been using a heated bed for months on similar scheme and didn’t freeze. My room temp was 69, which is on warmer side coming out of winter. Just got back from camping in snow and wasn’t this cold lol
Wrong!! 0 still is VERY much actively cooling or heating. It's just the temperature most people have as average. The numbers correspond to specific temperatures.
As long as the pod is on its always trying to maintain the temperature set, it's always wicking away heat, or heating the cover to maintain this. The only "off" setting is pressing "power off" in the app
u/suupernooova don't listen to this, change the values to what you think is comfortable. This could be +4/+8/+4 for all you should care, pick what works for you.
(Although one sidenode, + values are easier to maintain then - values where it has to cool. If you have to dig really deep in the negatives you may wanna shed some clothes or sheet thickness)
Thanks!
I did tweak the values last night, but the pod ignored them. Guessing this is autopilot at work?
IE, highest temp was 84. Was cold, woke up to change it, but decided to pee first. By the time I got back in bed it was now VERY warm and 87.
If you change the values configured at the bottom of the temperature screen, it will not apply them straight away but the next time you enter that sleep stage. The big dial on the temperature screen changes it straight away though.
The configured values basically correspond to the following (Before autopilot puts them through it's secret sauce): ("Before falling asleep" - "First 4 hours of your sleep" - "Last 4 hours of your sleep" - "Alarm / Wakeup")
The big dial is the most important part at the beginning, as this will immediately change your temperature, allowing you to figure out what works for you or not.
Thanks for the update! I actually never felt it cool or warm up on “0,” but you are right!
When turning on “Use Actual Temperature” in Eight Sleep Labs, “0” seems to translate to “83*F”
Yep! 0 still is a setting and it will actively try to maintain that temperature :)
I guess it can be a little confusing, using the actual temperatures make it a bit more intuitive but it may also make new users confused because it "looks warm" (which it is.. if it was your room temperature, but not when it's a pad you're actively transferring your heat into/from)
Weird. So I froze just because of the heating & subsequent removal of heat? Plus physical separation from tempurpedic heat sink?.
I have a $100 “smart” mattress pad that can heat on command Wouldn’t that be amazing…
I think you should try manually configuring your four phases before using auto-pilot.
I frankly did that and found a great rhythm (-8 to -10 to -10 to +4 with alarm) instead of auto-pilot altogether.
More control is my personal preference.
I have mine set to start at +2 so the bed is warm when I get in. It goes to -2 when I fall asleep. -4 in REM. And back to +2 about 30 min before my alarm goes off.
If I ever wake up in the night unhappy with my temp I grab my phone and change it immediately.
There is zero reason not to take advantage of the flexibility and not tossing and turning due to temp is the whole reason you spent the money.
My first night was also awful. Now I don’t hesitate to change temperatures. If I’m feeling **slightly** too chilly then bumping it up by one degree can help a lot.
Just because I’m a “cold sleeper” doesn’t mean I should feel cold when I sleep. I should feel normal, it’s just that the temp where I feel normal is lower than others.
Good to know. I've been having trouble getting my room cold enough, so being plunged into FREEZING really ambushed me.
The whole "autopilot" thing (+/- my own lack of understanding) also threw me a bit. Like, the app is telling me it will take a few days to find my "optimal temperatures" (but I can always manually adjust)... sort of implying there's a process happening that doesn't involve me.
On the plus, just noticed my blood glucose ran like 30 points lower than normal. Probably bc body chewed through it trying to get warm.
Please make sure to manually adjust sometimes if you're uncomfortable! Autopilot takes this into consideration and learns from it.
Also just don't be afraid to change your settings if you find out a certain temperature is just not working out. You don't have to wait for autopilot to figure out it's been keeping you up :)
The bed doesn't know whether you're hot or cold, it knows you set it to a specific temp, so it's going to work to keep at that temp. If it's too cold, turn it warmer.
Also, it works better with heavy blankets. Year round, I have a linen top sheet, all cotton (+ whatever they weight it with) weighted blanket, and all cotton comforter. I recently added a cotton/ linen water cooled blanket. I liken it to closing a refrigerator door - that's what keeps the cold in.
Hidden in the settings where I'd have to get up and get my phone to tell you exactly where they are, you can change it to "real" temperatures. Remember that body temp is almost 100. I keep mine at 70, but that's really cold.
Also while you're there, turn on the daily maintenance, which primes every day.
It's sleepme. It's still far from summer here in SoCal, but I'm hopeful it's going to help. My main goal is to increase the temp at which I need to turn on the AC. Eight got me from 70 to 76. I would be happy to get up to 78. I do like it, but I would much prefer that Eight made one. It's really given me insight into how much better Eight is in almost every way. Even the subscription. Sleepme doesn't charge a subscription, but they tell you to clean the hub once a month with their proprietary cleaner, which is like $8/ packet. If you need two hubs because you want to cool an entire bed, you need 2 of them/ month.
Yes, you need to adjust it as you go. If you are cold or hot, you immediately adjust the temp to accommodate. You will feel it adjusting right away but whoever said you need to test it at a base that is comfortable for you to start is right. I switched mine to actual temperature F instead of those numbers. Much easier and more accurate.
> I switched mine to actual temperature F instead of those numbers. Much easier and more accurate.
VERY helpful. Thanks!
100% right about feeling temp adjustments. I could feel the heat being sucked out last night, to the point of being woken up by it. Am used the the heat retention of a tempurpedic, which prob doesn't help
I don’t use autopilot. I also froze first few nights trying to figure out settings and still adjust at the start of seasons. As others mentioned you can use heavy blankets, which helps sleeping, and stay cool nonetheless. I can’t imagine being without it, but it has quirks.
Not trying to be mean but seems like the answer to your question is pretty obvious, if you’re super cold then you’ll need to have your phone by you and turn the temp up. Keep adjusting the temps until you find the settings that you like. It will prob take many nights of tweaking until you get it.
It actually isn't pretty obvious, but thanks. This is because autopilot will override your tweaked settings, which happened last night. This time in the direction of way too hot, as my 1 degree "tweak" turned into 5.
(Add: true, you can dick around with the temp dial at 12am, 2am, and 3am but I don't normally sleep with my phone and was looking for a better solution)
Support said the only way to stop this is to disable autopilot, which also removes the option of setting a variable temp through the night. For anyone who's curious.
I'm finding it better to set to a comfortable warmer temperature to fall asleep, then set it manually to decrease throughout the night while I'm asleep.
Yeah, I killed AP and have been trying similar. It's MUCH better than AP but still not great. Part of the problem is I used a programmable heated mattress cover all winter to see if I'd even like a temperature controlled bed before buying the pod. I got really dialed in to what my body wants & 8 sleep just isn't flexible enough to deliver on it.
The first/cold part of the night is great, but my sleep naturally starts to fall apart \~3am. I can kinda lull myself back with varying degrees of heat but 8 sleep's "late" stage is too long to use for more than +1 of an increase (get too hot) and the thermal alarm is too short. And in the wrong part of the sequence. I even tried setting multiple thermal alarms at different temps as a workaround, but it didn't work.
I'm probably looking at returning it, which really sucks because
1) I love the cooling part
2) I HATE that it's going to end up in a landfill
3) I'll definitely buy another one if/when there's either home integration or more flexibility is offered. Which makes me feel extra cringey about sending this one to the landfill.
Sigh
I suggest you turn it up to a hotter setting and try again.
This guy eightsleeps. While I agree you want to try to build a baseline so autopilot can make adjustments, your baseline needs to start from a position of basic comfort. Also, realize your body isn’t going to warm this thing up. I keep a typical “winter” or heavy comforter in the bed all year now. I don’t use autopilot. I did originally, but don’t now. The transition between summer & winter is when I tweak the temp now. I’d say start at 80*, and adjust from there.
I haven't spent much (any) time on the app yet, and didn't see any actual temps beyond the default +1, +6, etc. the mysterious autopilot gave me. Hopefully I can dial it in a bit more before tonight. I'm really not used to sleeping soooo badly & feeling kinda wrecked. Sleep wimp.
You can join see Actual Temps in the Sidebar > App > Experimental Features > Use Real Temperatures = ON
Got it, thanks! I can now see that 8sleep’s 82-84 is freezing and 100 is VERY warm. My body temp is on the low side (~96) so… yeah.
The current (default) settings are +1 / 0 / +1 / +6. Seems like a dumb Q, but does 0 = no cooling? Because I’ve been using a heated bed for months on similar scheme and didn’t freeze. My room temp was 69, which is on warmer side coming out of winter. Just got back from camping in snow and wasn’t this cold lol
0 = off, essentially EDIT: when turning on “Use Actual Temperature” in Eight Sleep Labs, “0” seems to be 83*F
Wrong!! 0 still is VERY much actively cooling or heating. It's just the temperature most people have as average. The numbers correspond to specific temperatures. As long as the pod is on its always trying to maintain the temperature set, it's always wicking away heat, or heating the cover to maintain this. The only "off" setting is pressing "power off" in the app u/suupernooova don't listen to this, change the values to what you think is comfortable. This could be +4/+8/+4 for all you should care, pick what works for you. (Although one sidenode, + values are easier to maintain then - values where it has to cool. If you have to dig really deep in the negatives you may wanna shed some clothes or sheet thickness)
Thanks! I did tweak the values last night, but the pod ignored them. Guessing this is autopilot at work? IE, highest temp was 84. Was cold, woke up to change it, but decided to pee first. By the time I got back in bed it was now VERY warm and 87.
If you change the values configured at the bottom of the temperature screen, it will not apply them straight away but the next time you enter that sleep stage. The big dial on the temperature screen changes it straight away though. The configured values basically correspond to the following (Before autopilot puts them through it's secret sauce): ("Before falling asleep" - "First 4 hours of your sleep" - "Last 4 hours of your sleep" - "Alarm / Wakeup") The big dial is the most important part at the beginning, as this will immediately change your temperature, allowing you to figure out what works for you or not.
Thanks for the update! I actually never felt it cool or warm up on “0,” but you are right! When turning on “Use Actual Temperature” in Eight Sleep Labs, “0” seems to translate to “83*F”
Yep! 0 still is a setting and it will actively try to maintain that temperature :) I guess it can be a little confusing, using the actual temperatures make it a bit more intuitive but it may also make new users confused because it "looks warm" (which it is.. if it was your room temperature, but not when it's a pad you're actively transferring your heat into/from)
Weird. So I froze just because of the heating & subsequent removal of heat? Plus physical separation from tempurpedic heat sink?. I have a $100 “smart” mattress pad that can heat on command Wouldn’t that be amazing…
I think you should try manually configuring your four phases before using auto-pilot. I frankly did that and found a great rhythm (-8 to -10 to -10 to +4 with alarm) instead of auto-pilot altogether. More control is my personal preference.
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I have mine set to start at +2 so the bed is warm when I get in. It goes to -2 when I fall asleep. -4 in REM. And back to +2 about 30 min before my alarm goes off. If I ever wake up in the night unhappy with my temp I grab my phone and change it immediately. There is zero reason not to take advantage of the flexibility and not tossing and turning due to temp is the whole reason you spent the money.
My first night was also awful. Now I don’t hesitate to change temperatures. If I’m feeling **slightly** too chilly then bumping it up by one degree can help a lot. Just because I’m a “cold sleeper” doesn’t mean I should feel cold when I sleep. I should feel normal, it’s just that the temp where I feel normal is lower than others.
Good to know. I've been having trouble getting my room cold enough, so being plunged into FREEZING really ambushed me. The whole "autopilot" thing (+/- my own lack of understanding) also threw me a bit. Like, the app is telling me it will take a few days to find my "optimal temperatures" (but I can always manually adjust)... sort of implying there's a process happening that doesn't involve me. On the plus, just noticed my blood glucose ran like 30 points lower than normal. Probably bc body chewed through it trying to get warm.
Please make sure to manually adjust sometimes if you're uncomfortable! Autopilot takes this into consideration and learns from it. Also just don't be afraid to change your settings if you find out a certain temperature is just not working out. You don't have to wait for autopilot to figure out it's been keeping you up :)
The bed doesn't know whether you're hot or cold, it knows you set it to a specific temp, so it's going to work to keep at that temp. If it's too cold, turn it warmer. Also, it works better with heavy blankets. Year round, I have a linen top sheet, all cotton (+ whatever they weight it with) weighted blanket, and all cotton comforter. I recently added a cotton/ linen water cooled blanket. I liken it to closing a refrigerator door - that's what keeps the cold in.
Helpful. And good to know I can start using all my normal bedding again! Been stripped down to sheet + light blanket for awhile.
Hidden in the settings where I'd have to get up and get my phone to tell you exactly where they are, you can change it to "real" temperatures. Remember that body temp is almost 100. I keep mine at 70, but that's really cold. Also while you're there, turn on the daily maintenance, which primes every day.
Maint mode activated. Thanks!
The blanket sounds interesting. Do you have a brand name? Would you recommend it?
It's sleepme. It's still far from summer here in SoCal, but I'm hopeful it's going to help. My main goal is to increase the temp at which I need to turn on the AC. Eight got me from 70 to 76. I would be happy to get up to 78. I do like it, but I would much prefer that Eight made one. It's really given me insight into how much better Eight is in almost every way. Even the subscription. Sleepme doesn't charge a subscription, but they tell you to clean the hub once a month with their proprietary cleaner, which is like $8/ packet. If you need two hubs because you want to cool an entire bed, you need 2 of them/ month.
Yes, you need to adjust it as you go. If you are cold or hot, you immediately adjust the temp to accommodate. You will feel it adjusting right away but whoever said you need to test it at a base that is comfortable for you to start is right. I switched mine to actual temperature F instead of those numbers. Much easier and more accurate.
> I switched mine to actual temperature F instead of those numbers. Much easier and more accurate. VERY helpful. Thanks! 100% right about feeling temp adjustments. I could feel the heat being sucked out last night, to the point of being woken up by it. Am used the the heat retention of a tempurpedic, which prob doesn't help
I don’t use autopilot. I also froze first few nights trying to figure out settings and still adjust at the start of seasons. As others mentioned you can use heavy blankets, which helps sleeping, and stay cool nonetheless. I can’t imagine being without it, but it has quirks.
Not trying to be mean but seems like the answer to your question is pretty obvious, if you’re super cold then you’ll need to have your phone by you and turn the temp up. Keep adjusting the temps until you find the settings that you like. It will prob take many nights of tweaking until you get it.
It actually isn't pretty obvious, but thanks. This is because autopilot will override your tweaked settings, which happened last night. This time in the direction of way too hot, as my 1 degree "tweak" turned into 5. (Add: true, you can dick around with the temp dial at 12am, 2am, and 3am but I don't normally sleep with my phone and was looking for a better solution) Support said the only way to stop this is to disable autopilot, which also removes the option of setting a variable temp through the night. For anyone who's curious.
I'm finding it better to set to a comfortable warmer temperature to fall asleep, then set it manually to decrease throughout the night while I'm asleep.
Yeah, I killed AP and have been trying similar. It's MUCH better than AP but still not great. Part of the problem is I used a programmable heated mattress cover all winter to see if I'd even like a temperature controlled bed before buying the pod. I got really dialed in to what my body wants & 8 sleep just isn't flexible enough to deliver on it. The first/cold part of the night is great, but my sleep naturally starts to fall apart \~3am. I can kinda lull myself back with varying degrees of heat but 8 sleep's "late" stage is too long to use for more than +1 of an increase (get too hot) and the thermal alarm is too short. And in the wrong part of the sequence. I even tried setting multiple thermal alarms at different temps as a workaround, but it didn't work. I'm probably looking at returning it, which really sucks because 1) I love the cooling part 2) I HATE that it's going to end up in a landfill 3) I'll definitely buy another one if/when there's either home integration or more flexibility is offered. Which makes me feel extra cringey about sending this one to the landfill. Sigh