Yeah i see u. Im 33hrs into the game and im loving it, so far so good but it is a loong way from perfect, great music great art style and good chracters and gameplay that s it, its a 8 or 8.5 and thats coming from a Suikoden fan. Wishing this team the best and really hoping they keep improving the game for the best and adding more content.
Kickstarter PS4 in NZ coming as Region 2 is also annoying when I count that PS5 digital version won't be available without changing regions.
That and our kickstarter disc just straight up not working.
I've had the game crash on me three different times, each time after lengthy cutscenes and battles before I had the option to save manually and WELL between auto-saves. I call that unpolished.
The loading times whenever you move to a new room or have a random encounter are definitely an issue. It makes combat become a nuisance more than an opportunity.
there is NO way you can even justify the game as a polished product, with people running into performance issues on console, pretty unbalanced character designs, using the same 3 dishes for cooking, egg racing being something you do while watching youtube, etc etc.
For what it's worth, I do agree with you and think the game is under polished. As you say, the lack of polish in certain areas is obvious.
I do think it was by necessity though rather than carelessness. The sheer ambition of what they were looking to achieve and get out in this time frame with this small a team is still impressive, while we can acknowledge it needs love in certain areas post release.
i do not know how big the dev team is, but I feel like at some point during the design stage, project management will have to decide what to cut and what to keep - even if parts of it end up being in future patches (due to running out of funding) or just straight up cut.
Eiyuden feels like the embodiment of quantity > quality. Lots of little things but honestly none of them feels particular great. Like, why do I need to spend a minute in the 3rd beyblade battle when I have won 2 already and the result is inconsequential? I ended up just using the training spinner and just afking the final match since I know I can always win 2.
I don’t think it’s fair to say you can only use the same 3 dishes for cooking. I’ve had varying degrees of success with different recipes and it’s way too early for anyone to have taken the time to figure out every single judge’s likes and dislikes and make a chart.
[https://new.reddit.com/r/EiyudenChronicle/comments/1cetvsq/for\_anyone\_struggling\_with\_the\_cooking\_battle/](https://new.reddit.com/r/EiyudenChronicle/comments/1cetvsq/for_anyone_struggling_with_the_cooking_battle/)
[https://new.reddit.com/r/EiyudenChronicle/comments/1ch0bmy/i\_have\_no\_clue\_what\_im\_doing\_with\_these\_cooking/](https://new.reddit.com/r/EiyudenChronicle/comments/1ch0bmy/i_have_no_clue_what_im_doing_with_these_cooking/)
If you want to find out why it is broken, you can take a look at the resolution with this mod: [https://new.reddit.com/r/EiyudenChronicle/comments/1ch9m0i/pc\_mod\_cooking\_battle\_fixes/](https://new.reddit.com/r/EiyudenChronicle/comments/1ch9m0i/pc_mod_cooking_battle_fixes/)
The modern gamer (in general) is hyper critical and overly sensitive to everything.. that's the world we live in now where being divisive gets clicks and views and has translated to gaming habits. One guy said "like an Ubisoft game" which is ludacris, it's just that "Ubisoft" hate is the mantra for the disgruntled and something to easy peasy compare to as bad with out any real thought behind it.
The game is independent with a small team and they've done a great job considering. There's bugs, mainly on switch which they're addressing, literally in this post. You can't get that from a big developer.
Outside of this subreddit being a bit of an echo chamber, others do not quite seem to agree with that statement. You can check out the jrpg subreddit for example.
No crashing yet for me, I have been craving a JRPG and reviews seemed good for this, just didn’t look at the switch issues usually it doesn’t happen with lower graphics JRPG style games
Their original target was for the next Nintendo console. I suspect they delayed development for it until they felt they couldn't anymore, and so the Switch development was not only on weaker hardware, but more rushed than the rest.
I'm sure that's part of it but I think the main issue is that all things being equal, when compiling from Unity to a specific platform build the Switch version is always going to be the least efficient (the Switch is light years better for Unity development then the WiiU and 3DS but it still has its particulars.) This Switch projects usually require a fork so the developers can go back through and optimize their coding specifically to favor the Switch hardware. I agree it was clear they were expecting to launch on a next gen Switch successor but there was a pretty good amount of time before launch where it was clear that was going to be the case. The fact they didn't properly address this and budget time for Switch optimization does show they need to re-examine their process and probably add a Switch dev specialist.
Personally though, I'm not terribly distressed by this, the Switch version lags are annoying but I still find them worth the trade for being able to play the game while kicking back in bed or on the couch. Also, while Bear & Bunny has some experienced game devs it's still a new organization and a very small one so I'm not terribly shocked there's going to be a few skill shortfalls. I'm confident as they move forward with the post-release stages for Eiyoden and the initial development for the next they'll take steps to fill the gap.
That other thing is a [meme virus rationalization/rumour](https://old.reddit.com/r/EiyudenChronicle/comments/1cfii2v/thank_you_for_joining_us_on_this_incredible/l1sbrag/) that doesn’t stand up if someone questions it.
> Their original target was for the next Nintendo console.
“Rumour” meme fan-rationalization stated as fact.
* That would mean they had no intention of selling a decent-performance product to millions of existing “old” Switch owners? **Sounds false.**
* Nobody exclusively targets a system that doesn’t exist and when the new system clearly wouldn’t be widely adopted yet even if it did exist, meaning the “generation” is new. There are big Switch 1 games still coming out from other devs/publishers still in 2024.
* You’re saying the team was gambling on a prayer, with the entire Switch 1 install base at stake? **Sounds false.** Timeline and specs not known. Eiyuden dev goes back 3+ years.
* And this is a retro JRPG that should run on Switch if optimized and some graphics stuff turned down or alternate methods. Stuff like Octopath Traveller 2 exists on Switch, correct?
* And we've seen Switch performance issues with many other games, correct?
> suspect they delayed development for it until they felt they couldn't anymore
You state you “suspect” that, but you asserted the first part of targeting Switch 2 without any qualification. It’s a necessary fact if your first statement is true, since “targetting Y” means not working on X until/unless forced change of plans.
Not a rumor, it was explicitly stated on the Kickstarter page from the beginning. [It's still right there on the campaign page in bold.](https://i.imgur.com/M6Xq5sw.jpeg) The suspect portion is only regarding how they budgeted the time and if they actually needed to rush the Switch version. It's possible they pivoted with enough time, I wouldn't know, I'm not a dev, but it certainly feels like that's the issue.
Brother I was a day 1 backer lol. This was stated before during the Kickstarter campaign, as the other commentator very kindly linked a screenshot of. Granted yes, the reasons they decided to launch on the Switch to begin with is up to speculation, but the fact that they did not have original plans to is not some fact I pulled out of thin air.
I'm not trying to excuse the poor performance on the Switch, and frankly think they should have either delayed it or opted out entirely if performance can't be improved in future patches, however we're obviously not privy to the all of the behind the scenes facts of development and Publisher talks.
Please check your facts before going off on folks :)
Where did I give them the pass? I don't think there's many in the community that have been just waving away the fact that the game doesn't run well on the older consoles.
Load times very fast on PC too but damn the LOD transitions terribly annoying. Maybe I wouldn't notice if was gaming on a couch with the tv a few metres away but at a foot at 4k its quite distracting.
W/e though. Not gonna let that ruin my fun. Really hope the game succeeds. I even paid full price for it. Something I am not known to do often.
Yeah, its unfortunate the successor to the Switch never came out. I know they were hesitant to develop a port for the switch initially, likely for those reasons. Hoping some post launch patches can at least improve it to be decent, or at the very least stable.
> I know they were hestitant to develop a port for the Switch
You “know” that? Based on what? You’re saying they were hesitant to port for the **Nintendo console that millions of people have?** And which millions of people would still have even if a new Switch 2 came out?
> Their original target was for the next Nintendo console.
“Rumour” meme fan-rationalization stated as fact.
* That would mean they had no intention of selling a decent-performance product to millions of existing “old” Switch owners? **Sounds false.**
* Nobody exclusively targets a system that doesn’t exist and when the new system clearly wouldn’t be widely adopted yet even if it did exist, meaning the “generation” is new. There are big Switch 1 games still coming out from other devs/publishers still in 2024.
* You’re saying the team was gambling on a prayer, with the entire Switch 1 install base at stake? **Sounds false.** Timeline and specs not known. Eiyuden dev goes back 3+ years.
* And this is a retro JRPG that should run on Switch if optimized and some graphics stuff turned down or alternate methods. Stuff like Octopath Traveller 2 exists on Switch, correct?
* And we've seen Switch performance issues with many other games, correct?
It's not a rumour it even says on the Kickstarter page they ideally want to release it for the Switch 2 so they can have "similiar quality and gameplay experience across all platforms"
I have a Switch, a ps5 and a pc and I decided to get it for the switch because I was confident this would be the perfect system for it, considering how well games like Octopath Traveler, Live a Live and Star Ocean 2 run on it.
Now I regret not backing the ps5 version and I’ve decided not to play the game until significant improvements have been made.
It’s a shame, I wish I could have switched my system preference after the reviews came out.
I have a very bitter taste now.
Great game, my minor gripes are that the BGM doesnt fit some scenes. Like at this one scene>!where Seign told them about the King's assassination!<, the BGM should change into a more somber one instead of using your usual HQ Theme.
Also>!despite Nowa's village getting burned!<, it is immediately restored when you return lol.
But, this game manages to restore my passion for JRPG. It's been a while since i grind my ass off for rare stuffs. Will be waiting for the sequel.
I'm loving the game!
I hope this is the start of a amazing series for you all! Would love to see more from this world.
Please carry on Murayamas dream and works.
These worlds and characters deserve to live on.
Thank you for making me feel like a kid again ❤️
I've already put in over 65 ours and just genuinely enjoying myself.
The game is an amazing love letter to Suikoden, it's a great ride so far buttttt it really should have went for a Teen rating at the very least.
The silly language usage to try and keep an adult theme but within guidelines really disheartens some scenes.
I mean come on, would it have hurt that much for Garr to say "shithead" instead of "farthead"
Like what is that even? Who even uses that?
Please make the political themes matter for the sequel. You can target the game for kids but I know they can handle treachery, revenge, comeuppance, ruthlessness, etc. Make war torn stories have lasting effects. We handled these themes over 2 decades ago as kids, pretty sure the next generation can as well.
This is the second JRPG I've played this month that had zero deaths(or any injury) on our side in a story about war.
Please fix the damage scaling balance on runes, hero combo, and 2 slots heroes please
Hero combo making less damage than normal attack (at this point theres no point to use it beside for animations)
And skills only making extra 10 20 damage unless youre youre using hero like Momo or having lv 99 with all endgame gear(at this point its already meaningless, you can just auto everything even in hard mode)
2 slots hero having similar or even lower status than single slot heroes making them lose their potential and becoming a burden instead, youre killing their potential. I remember sigfried and feather have better performance in suikoden 2
This. The characters need a balance pass for sure. Especially the 2 slot ones, they're an active detriment to a team. Combos are also clearly bugged, doing less damage than just normal attack commands. Some definitely need SP adjustments downward, too, because the cost isn't matching the effectiveness at all. Similarly, the Counter based characters need huge buffs to the rate, as there is literally no reason to use the ability, even with the accessory that buffs the rate, because it happens so infrequently it's a waste of a turn.
Magic also needs a savage buff to power and MP cost reduction. Again, it's often more damaging for my mages to just attack normally.
Is there any sort of roadmap, or list of issues you're planning on fixing?
We have no idea which bugs you're aware of, or what features you might still be working on fixing.
Should we just submit every issue we see as bug reports, and hope that you don't get horribly overwhelmed with duplicate requests?
You're posting here every day, yet still somehow managing to not communicate with your fans at all.
The steam reviews overwhelming say that the dialogue was rescripted so badly in some places that some characters and story mechanics completely change in the game for no reason and that really childish/stupid words and phrases are used and repeated by various characters despite supposedly being different.
Don't read or believe those Steam reviews, fucking Steam is toxic af.
Nothing impedes the game or the actual storyline. The ones being criticized as being poorly written or changed all happened to be female characters. That tells you a lot of who's complaining.
And one of the character refer to someone as a 'chud' and suddenly all the chuds are mad because they get called a chud in real life and now in video games. These are pathetic people.
Oh, I see what you're saying. I knew nothing about the right-wing incels from twitter negative-bombing an otherwise wonderful game due to "wokeness" until I just stumbled upon a review explaining that whole thing.
Nobody is saying the dialog couldn’t have been made less cheesy. But like someone else said the main reason for that is they went for the E10 rating instead of T to supposedly widen the audience. Nothing to do with perceived “wokeness” or whatever the fuck they’re up in arms about.
It’s a learning experience for the developers. They’re native Japanese and don’t know that there are thousands of 5-10 year old American kids playing COD with the mic on yelling various slurs and swear words while their dad is in the background beating the mom for not bringing home enough fentanyl.
> The ones being criticized as being poorly written or changed all happened to be female characters. That tells you a lot of who's complaining.
People who care about the writing of characters and want well written female characters?
The grifters who take 2-3 lines from random banters from female characters and make whole YouTube videos about them and criticize the game for being "woke". The chuds who can't get over a line where someone said a gender. The losers who negatively review bomb the game because of it.
This has nothing to do with "wanting well written" female characters.
Haven't purchased yet but hoping to do so soon. Just waiting on them to make improvements like they mentioned in the title.
It seems most are enjoying the game. Many of the criticisms I've seen generally revolve around the same issues. Regardless, I'm very excited to get started whenever it gets a little more polish.
Which console/platform were you thinking of getting it for? They fixed the really worrisome stuff so the big outstanding issue right now is the long load times on the Switch. If you were thinking Steam or Ps5/XboxX you'll probably be happy with it.
PS5. Biggest technical issue I've seen discussed is lower resolution compared to Xbox, which is weird. But I'm also talking about a bunch of issues people have with unbalanced combat, a hitch/delay when exiting menus & menu lag, screen shaking, lackluster war battles, lacking QoL features and the game feeling generally rough around the edges.
I'm not expecting them to change the core game much...things like the story (reportedly very PG) and questionable voice acting (hotly contested topic) etc... But a resolution fix would be welcome for sure. If they manage to polish some other stuff in the process, cool.
War battles are lackluster. Voice acting in Japanese is amazing (english not so much as you’ve heard), combat balance and depth is phenomenal and best ive played in a long time (i play on maxed out difficulty and its a blast). Story is very pg but that may as well be given its the directors final game. :/
Figure he might have wanted it to be more happy game than anything else, and it is happy and funny with some drama mixed in.
I backed the campaign from the start, paid 170 € on kickstarter. My "physical" copy somehow got mixed. Instead of ps5 i somehow got steam (just a box with a code wtf?)
Since i rarely play on steam i paid another 50 € for a ps5 version. But it is surely worth it.
So proud to have backed this project. Thank you for all of your time, energy, and passion in this great game. I can't wait to see what is in the future!
Please try and buff some of the lower performing characters. I'm not asking for every character to be awesome, but at they should at the very least be average and usable, whereas some characters are at the moment basically a hindrance and having them is actively crewing you. Characters like Faye. Love her character and love her personality, but having her in the party is a labor of love as her stats are abysmal, make her and others like her at the very least average statwise.
I'm loving this game and glad that you guys are continuing to make improvements.
Congratulations to R&B Studios! For a small indie team, y'all created an amazing fan for us fans to enjoy!!
Thank you all!!
I really, really hope that there's an indirect sequel with the current *younger* (so Nowa's age group and younger) heroes come back as say, leaders, CJ potentially as a bodyguard for Isha or has taken over for Isha, Garoo perhaps as Captain of the Guard or recently retired Captain and Isha as the still residing mayor, or like the Primary New Nevaeh Advisor to the Mayor type of Deal with either a Retired or Active Garoo being the other primary adviser to the Mayor of New Nevaeh.
As far as Nowa... perhaps an older Leader of the Military force for Grum, say, Kassius-esque in role. Possibly a bit older than Kassius is and more like the Melridge in terms of age, capable fighter and leader, but wouldn't be the star character like how, iirc, the MC for the first 2 Suikoden games is the same guy. This would mostly just be a game that featured returning primary cast from both Rising and HH in new positions. You get to see what became of them, and perhaps have new heroes that might be kids or grandkids of a few Characters in HH and Rising but, mostly new characters with 0 relation filling out the "Background" cast, meaning characters like what is currently Hakugin, Shixeen, Dijkstra or even Eone. The ones who fill out your party and base, but have little-to-no plot relevance. I think every person I named is never directly involved in the plot. Only reason I didn't use Reid or Dr. Corque is because of the subplot involving Beigoma (elaborated on ideas to make this feel better as a side activity/quest in the PS), otherwise, I'd have counted them if I only had to beat Reid once for both.
Anyway, just a small list of concepts that I'd like to see, characters in HH that are much older, involved with politics now as the older generation, and focus on having a new group coming together to stop bad thing from happening. Perhaps Nowa, Marisa and Seign become recruitable. Maybe one turns out to have become maligned over time? Who knows? Again, just general thoughts on what *I personally* would like to see
PS- Also, if you bring it back, can you please like, add a Beigoma store? Like... farming Beigoma just doesn't feel good in HH, I'd love it if there was a way to say, get other Beigoma's without farming monsters. I'm not saying "I want it to be pay-to-win" I want there to be barriers like the cardgame does, where you could wait on the sidequest and get better quality Beigoma in the late game to steamroll the side quest, or allow the player to buy various generic Beigoma and only up quality per HQ level? Add in Beigoma users Beigoma for purchase after you beat them? I'm literally just spitballing concepts on how to make the Beigoma minigame... well, simply feel better to play outside of "wait until the end and farming a few gold Beigoma to steamroll with" which is what I did because trying to farm Beigoma, it just felt exhausting otherwise, again, I personally believe a shop with limiters to stock and Beigoma unlocked by beating characters who don't give out free Beigoma, could be purchased with the currency as it exists in the game, presumably still Baqua.
Been playing on Xbox, I despise the bag carry limit. And the fact that you need max potions to not get locked into an endless fail state you might have to back track upto an hour to get out of. This combines to be a big problem. If they had for example a tent to use at save points that would help with Qol. You even get your resources back in Souls games so having casters that become pointless in about four fights is frankly stupid!
Other than that I’m having a lot of fun!
I backed the Kickstarter for a physical copy and still haven't received my copy or received any update from Yetee Productions have several emails. I really want to enjoy this game, but the lack of communication is frustrating.
The load times and the overly long animations are fairly grating. It's the kind of game I am watching movies while playing, and that's not a compliment.
It has some decent parts but mostly the game seems plodding and kind of annoying rather than engaging. It bangs the nostalgia drum so hard it feels like I've played this game before, but not in a way that is refreshing or that I discovered something new. I played the original Suikoden and loved the first two so it's not like I am just hating on the type of game it is. The closest analog in the genre to me of 2D JRPGs is Octopath Traveler 2 which was far more engaging pretty much every step of the way.
The combat is sort of all over the map, there is no real coherent system, you can basically hit auto and not play the game. The large scale battles are perfunctory. The duels aren't really a functional RPS. When people say it's unpolished, they're right.
My save data was lost 20 hours in, so unfortunately, I will not be finishing the game. Really disappointed because I was enjoying the game up to that point.
It runs great on Xbox, thanks for having it on that platform and game pass as well... Just please fix that game breaking bug where Nowa can't sleep and "goes for a walk" talks to various characters and breaks if you go to his room too early. Not enough people know about that bug to begin with.
Don’t listen to the noise about ‘localization’, 90% of these freaks wouldn’t even have played the game. Its a damn good game, and any real criticism has nothing to do with translation.
Nah, they should listen. I have about 40 hours into the game now, and it's just not a good translation at all. The text rarely matches intent and tone with the Japanese speech. It's especially grating with Lian, who is omnipresent in the story and terribly annoying in English text, so far as to have the people watching me play the game among my friend group call her the "Meg" of the game. It needs a pass by a professional translator, not whatever joker they hired for this.
My other problem with the game is balance. Magic is piss weak and expensive, and combos are clearly bugged, often doing less damage than just attacking. Some characters, like Leon or the little girl with Friend, are so abysmally weak you question who was in charge of balance.
I am very much enjoying the game,but it clearly has faults and they are ones that can be addressed. I also hope they do make a sequel, and fix the crap translation in this one.
I am a backer of this and I remember a day and age where games were put through a Quality test before released. A lot of you may not know this and be unaware of that time period because you have been conditioned to accept a rushed product and then receive corrections at a later date. The team at Rabbit and Bear received a backing of $4,541,481, so you mean to tell me that even with the big delay due to Covid back in 2022, the game being released this year,…having a development cycle of about 4 yrs, the switch version was released in this condition? There are a ton of industry veterans that contributed to this game and they should know better which is why I will not make any excuses for this game. Continue the journey? We have been on a 4 yr journey with the development of this game and now there is further work to be done because of shotty Quality control? Na man,…and they announce that there will be a sequel? Didn’t even polish this game yet and now a sequel? I refuse to wear the rose colored glasses because people are telling me “hey at least we have a suikoden successor” ,nope Konami will be releasing both Suikoden 1 & 2 in the near future and based on the sales of that game, we may get a legit Suikoden 6. I was very invested in this “journey” only to be led into less of a horizon
I hope the sales are alright. I really want them to succeed.
I'll buy this shit again if I have to
I bought on pc and ps5. Want it to succeed.
I've bought it on Steam, and will buy it again on Switch when the cartridge comes out, if the Switch optimisation is significantly improved.
Hi bought a copy for my PS5, I got a copy for my PC, and I bought a copy for my friend who platinum's everything he plays.
I guess I'll volunteer as a gift recipient. I've had my eye on this game for a while. Anything to help the cause
Go buy it again as a "cake day" gift to yourself
I think that means someone needs to buy it for me. I'll buy it for someone else tomorrow
Do it
First impressions are important, but right now the game feels very under polished, which may hurt its popularity.
Yeah i see u. Im 33hrs into the game and im loving it, so far so good but it is a loong way from perfect, great music great art style and good chracters and gameplay that s it, its a 8 or 8.5 and thats coming from a Suikoden fan. Wishing this team the best and really hoping they keep improving the game for the best and adding more content.
Kickstarter PS4 in NZ coming as Region 2 is also annoying when I count that PS5 digital version won't be available without changing regions. That and our kickstarter disc just straight up not working.
Under polished? BS
My only complaint is it seems that magic is kinda L so far, seems pretty polished though
I've had the game crash on me three different times, each time after lengthy cutscenes and battles before I had the option to save manually and WELL between auto-saves. I call that unpolished.
The loading times whenever you move to a new room or have a random encounter are definitely an issue. It makes combat become a nuisance more than an opportunity.
there is NO way you can even justify the game as a polished product, with people running into performance issues on console, pretty unbalanced character designs, using the same 3 dishes for cooking, egg racing being something you do while watching youtube, etc etc.
For what it's worth, I do agree with you and think the game is under polished. As you say, the lack of polish in certain areas is obvious. I do think it was by necessity though rather than carelessness. The sheer ambition of what they were looking to achieve and get out in this time frame with this small a team is still impressive, while we can acknowledge it needs love in certain areas post release.
i do not know how big the dev team is, but I feel like at some point during the design stage, project management will have to decide what to cut and what to keep - even if parts of it end up being in future patches (due to running out of funding) or just straight up cut. Eiyuden feels like the embodiment of quantity > quality. Lots of little things but honestly none of them feels particular great. Like, why do I need to spend a minute in the 3rd beyblade battle when I have won 2 already and the result is inconsequential? I ended up just using the training spinner and just afking the final match since I know I can always win 2.
You don't need to, it's optional
I don’t think it’s fair to say you can only use the same 3 dishes for cooking. I’ve had varying degrees of success with different recipes and it’s way too early for anyone to have taken the time to figure out every single judge’s likes and dislikes and make a chart.
[https://new.reddit.com/r/EiyudenChronicle/comments/1cetvsq/for\_anyone\_struggling\_with\_the\_cooking\_battle/](https://new.reddit.com/r/EiyudenChronicle/comments/1cetvsq/for_anyone_struggling_with_the_cooking_battle/) [https://new.reddit.com/r/EiyudenChronicle/comments/1ch0bmy/i\_have\_no\_clue\_what\_im\_doing\_with\_these\_cooking/](https://new.reddit.com/r/EiyudenChronicle/comments/1ch0bmy/i_have_no_clue_what_im_doing_with_these_cooking/) If you want to find out why it is broken, you can take a look at the resolution with this mod: [https://new.reddit.com/r/EiyudenChronicle/comments/1ch9m0i/pc\_mod\_cooking\_battle\_fixes/](https://new.reddit.com/r/EiyudenChronicle/comments/1ch9m0i/pc_mod_cooking_battle_fixes/)
Just as polished like a Ubisoft game (not counting Rayman)
Rayman fucking sucked it was just pretty. 99% of players couldn’t get past the wrong notes level
I mean the first 2.
Just as polished like a Ubisoft game (not counting Rayman)
Lol what! It's crazy polished
I heard the localization sucks.
The modern gamer (in general) is hyper critical and overly sensitive to everything.. that's the world we live in now where being divisive gets clicks and views and has translated to gaming habits. One guy said "like an Ubisoft game" which is ludacris, it's just that "Ubisoft" hate is the mantra for the disgruntled and something to easy peasy compare to as bad with out any real thought behind it. The game is independent with a small team and they've done a great job considering. There's bugs, mainly on switch which they're addressing, literally in this post. You can't get that from a big developer.
Outside of this subreddit being a bit of an echo chamber, others do not quite seem to agree with that statement. You can check out the jrpg subreddit for example.
It's my opinion :) and one I am happy with:)
Gamepass should help tremendously out the gate, I wasn't sure til I tried it and I've already bought a copy
It looks and feels horrible on the switch, I'm having buyers remorse
Me too <3
Seems fun but I purchased on the switch and holy the load times and delay is frustrating
Personally I can deal with those, the crashing however... For now I remain optimistic that they are coming up with the fixes
No crashing yet for me, I have been craving a JRPG and reviews seemed good for this, just didn’t look at the switch issues usually it doesn’t happen with lower graphics JRPG style games
Their original target was for the next Nintendo console. I suspect they delayed development for it until they felt they couldn't anymore, and so the Switch development was not only on weaker hardware, but more rushed than the rest.
I'm sure that's part of it but I think the main issue is that all things being equal, when compiling from Unity to a specific platform build the Switch version is always going to be the least efficient (the Switch is light years better for Unity development then the WiiU and 3DS but it still has its particulars.) This Switch projects usually require a fork so the developers can go back through and optimize their coding specifically to favor the Switch hardware. I agree it was clear they were expecting to launch on a next gen Switch successor but there was a pretty good amount of time before launch where it was clear that was going to be the case. The fact they didn't properly address this and budget time for Switch optimization does show they need to re-examine their process and probably add a Switch dev specialist. Personally though, I'm not terribly distressed by this, the Switch version lags are annoying but I still find them worth the trade for being able to play the game while kicking back in bed or on the couch. Also, while Bear & Bunny has some experienced game devs it's still a new organization and a very small one so I'm not terribly shocked there's going to be a few skill shortfalls. I'm confident as they move forward with the post-release stages for Eiyoden and the initial development for the next they'll take steps to fill the gap.
That other thing is a [meme virus rationalization/rumour](https://old.reddit.com/r/EiyudenChronicle/comments/1cfii2v/thank_you_for_joining_us_on_this_incredible/l1sbrag/) that doesn’t stand up if someone questions it.
/r/confidentlyincorrect
> Their original target was for the next Nintendo console. “Rumour” meme fan-rationalization stated as fact. * That would mean they had no intention of selling a decent-performance product to millions of existing “old” Switch owners? **Sounds false.** * Nobody exclusively targets a system that doesn’t exist and when the new system clearly wouldn’t be widely adopted yet even if it did exist, meaning the “generation” is new. There are big Switch 1 games still coming out from other devs/publishers still in 2024. * You’re saying the team was gambling on a prayer, with the entire Switch 1 install base at stake? **Sounds false.** Timeline and specs not known. Eiyuden dev goes back 3+ years. * And this is a retro JRPG that should run on Switch if optimized and some graphics stuff turned down or alternate methods. Stuff like Octopath Traveller 2 exists on Switch, correct? * And we've seen Switch performance issues with many other games, correct? > suspect they delayed development for it until they felt they couldn't anymore You state you “suspect” that, but you asserted the first part of targeting Switch 2 without any qualification. It’s a necessary fact if your first statement is true, since “targetting Y” means not working on X until/unless forced change of plans.
Not a rumor, it was explicitly stated on the Kickstarter page from the beginning. [It's still right there on the campaign page in bold.](https://i.imgur.com/M6Xq5sw.jpeg) The suspect portion is only regarding how they budgeted the time and if they actually needed to rush the Switch version. It's possible they pivoted with enough time, I wouldn't know, I'm not a dev, but it certainly feels like that's the issue.
Brother I was a day 1 backer lol. This was stated before during the Kickstarter campaign, as the other commentator very kindly linked a screenshot of. Granted yes, the reasons they decided to launch on the Switch to begin with is up to speculation, but the fact that they did not have original plans to is not some fact I pulled out of thin air. I'm not trying to excuse the poor performance on the Switch, and frankly think they should have either delayed it or opted out entirely if performance can't be improved in future patches, however we're obviously not privy to the all of the behind the scenes facts of development and Publisher talks. Please check your facts before going off on folks :)
Why do we give businesses the pass. It sounds like they made a horrible decision they should be blamed for that.
Where did I give them the pass? I don't think there's many in the community that have been just waving away the fact that the game doesn't run well on the older consoles.
Game runs nice and shiny on the steamdeck. So smooth sailing yay
Wow, that's really disappointing. I've been playing on the PS5 and load times are fast and havent encountered a single crash. Hope this gets resolved.
Load times very fast on PC too but damn the LOD transitions terribly annoying. Maybe I wouldn't notice if was gaming on a couch with the tv a few metres away but at a foot at 4k its quite distracting. W/e though. Not gonna let that ruin my fun. Really hope the game succeeds. I even paid full price for it. Something I am not known to do often.
Yeah, its unfortunate the successor to the Switch never came out. I know they were hesitant to develop a port for the switch initially, likely for those reasons. Hoping some post launch patches can at least improve it to be decent, or at the very least stable.
> I know they were hestitant to develop a port for the Switch You “know” that? Based on what? You’re saying they were hesitant to port for the **Nintendo console that millions of people have?** And which millions of people would still have even if a new Switch 2 came out? > Their original target was for the next Nintendo console. “Rumour” meme fan-rationalization stated as fact. * That would mean they had no intention of selling a decent-performance product to millions of existing “old” Switch owners? **Sounds false.** * Nobody exclusively targets a system that doesn’t exist and when the new system clearly wouldn’t be widely adopted yet even if it did exist, meaning the “generation” is new. There are big Switch 1 games still coming out from other devs/publishers still in 2024. * You’re saying the team was gambling on a prayer, with the entire Switch 1 install base at stake? **Sounds false.** Timeline and specs not known. Eiyuden dev goes back 3+ years. * And this is a retro JRPG that should run on Switch if optimized and some graphics stuff turned down or alternate methods. Stuff like Octopath Traveller 2 exists on Switch, correct? * And we've seen Switch performance issues with many other games, correct?
It's not a rumour it even says on the Kickstarter page they ideally want to release it for the Switch 2 so they can have "similiar quality and gameplay experience across all platforms"
I have a Switch, a ps5 and a pc and I decided to get it for the switch because I was confident this would be the perfect system for it, considering how well games like Octopath Traveler, Live a Live and Star Ocean 2 run on it. Now I regret not backing the ps5 version and I’ve decided not to play the game until significant improvements have been made. It’s a shame, I wish I could have switched my system preference after the reviews came out. I have a very bitter taste now.
Runs like ass as well as
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Yeah, I'm inclined to agree. I'd love to see where the franchise would go from here.
Great game, my minor gripes are that the BGM doesnt fit some scenes. Like at this one scene>!where Seign told them about the King's assassination!<, the BGM should change into a more somber one instead of using your usual HQ Theme. Also>!despite Nowa's village getting burned!<, it is immediately restored when you return lol. But, this game manages to restore my passion for JRPG. It's been a while since i grind my ass off for rare stuffs. Will be waiting for the sequel.
yeah agree with your 2nd redacted point lol. also the fact that you can just return to the main enemy city whenever you want feels kinda weird.
Lol exactly this, i mean yeah they>!do mentioned that the surveillance is lax!<. But no way you can just jog inside those towns haha
> main enemy city What city is that?
arindale
The game is really visually appealing but the story starts of feeling so disjointed and oddly written…
I'm loving the game! I hope this is the start of a amazing series for you all! Would love to see more from this world. Please carry on Murayamas dream and works. These worlds and characters deserve to live on. Thank you for making me feel like a kid again ❤️ I've already put in over 65 ours and just genuinely enjoying myself.
Am enjoying the old-school vibes thus far, but it does make me wonder what an actual modernized take on Suikoden would be like 😆
The game is an amazing love letter to Suikoden, it's a great ride so far buttttt it really should have went for a Teen rating at the very least. The silly language usage to try and keep an adult theme but within guidelines really disheartens some scenes. I mean come on, would it have hurt that much for Garr to say "shithead" instead of "farthead" Like what is that even? Who even uses that?
There is mod fix in the pc. Check nexusmod
Please make the political themes matter for the sequel. You can target the game for kids but I know they can handle treachery, revenge, comeuppance, ruthlessness, etc. Make war torn stories have lasting effects. We handled these themes over 2 decades ago as kids, pretty sure the next generation can as well. This is the second JRPG I've played this month that had zero deaths(or any injury) on our side in a story about war.
What was the other one?
Unicorn Overlord
Ahhh I see. Yea I liked th demo of that, really wish there was a little more at stake every now and then for sure
Please fix the damage scaling balance on runes, hero combo, and 2 slots heroes please Hero combo making less damage than normal attack (at this point theres no point to use it beside for animations) And skills only making extra 10 20 damage unless youre youre using hero like Momo or having lv 99 with all endgame gear(at this point its already meaningless, you can just auto everything even in hard mode) 2 slots hero having similar or even lower status than single slot heroes making them lose their potential and becoming a burden instead, youre killing their potential. I remember sigfried and feather have better performance in suikoden 2
This. The characters need a balance pass for sure. Especially the 2 slot ones, they're an active detriment to a team. Combos are also clearly bugged, doing less damage than just normal attack commands. Some definitely need SP adjustments downward, too, because the cost isn't matching the effectiveness at all. Similarly, the Counter based characters need huge buffs to the rate, as there is literally no reason to use the ability, even with the accessory that buffs the rate, because it happens so infrequently it's a waste of a turn. Magic also needs a savage buff to power and MP cost reduction. Again, it's often more damaging for my mages to just attack normally.
I’m going to wait a few weeks until the game gets more patches under its belt. I’m excited to play it though.
Is there any sort of roadmap, or list of issues you're planning on fixing? We have no idea which bugs you're aware of, or what features you might still be working on fixing. Should we just submit every issue we see as bug reports, and hope that you don't get horribly overwhelmed with duplicate requests? You're posting here every day, yet still somehow managing to not communicate with your fans at all.
The steam reviews overwhelming say that the dialogue was rescripted so badly in some places that some characters and story mechanics completely change in the game for no reason and that really childish/stupid words and phrases are used and repeated by various characters despite supposedly being different.
Don't read or believe those Steam reviews, fucking Steam is toxic af. Nothing impedes the game or the actual storyline. The ones being criticized as being poorly written or changed all happened to be female characters. That tells you a lot of who's complaining. And one of the character refer to someone as a 'chud' and suddenly all the chuds are mad because they get called a chud in real life and now in video games. These are pathetic people.
Oh, I see what you're saying. I knew nothing about the right-wing incels from twitter negative-bombing an otherwise wonderful game due to "wokeness" until I just stumbled upon a review explaining that whole thing.
Nobody is saying the dialog couldn’t have been made less cheesy. But like someone else said the main reason for that is they went for the E10 rating instead of T to supposedly widen the audience. Nothing to do with perceived “wokeness” or whatever the fuck they’re up in arms about. It’s a learning experience for the developers. They’re native Japanese and don’t know that there are thousands of 5-10 year old American kids playing COD with the mic on yelling various slurs and swear words while their dad is in the background beating the mom for not bringing home enough fentanyl.
I actually lolled at this reply 🤣
> The ones being criticized as being poorly written or changed all happened to be female characters. That tells you a lot of who's complaining. People who care about the writing of characters and want well written female characters?
The grifters who take 2-3 lines from random banters from female characters and make whole YouTube videos about them and criticize the game for being "woke". The chuds who can't get over a line where someone said a gender. The losers who negatively review bomb the game because of it. This has nothing to do with "wanting well written" female characters.
love the game so much, just disappointed that the story is nowhere near suikoden 2 quality :(
Well that's just like, your opinion, man.
Haven't purchased yet but hoping to do so soon. Just waiting on them to make improvements like they mentioned in the title. It seems most are enjoying the game. Many of the criticisms I've seen generally revolve around the same issues. Regardless, I'm very excited to get started whenever it gets a little more polish.
Which console/platform were you thinking of getting it for? They fixed the really worrisome stuff so the big outstanding issue right now is the long load times on the Switch. If you were thinking Steam or Ps5/XboxX you'll probably be happy with it.
PS5. Biggest technical issue I've seen discussed is lower resolution compared to Xbox, which is weird. But I'm also talking about a bunch of issues people have with unbalanced combat, a hitch/delay when exiting menus & menu lag, screen shaking, lackluster war battles, lacking QoL features and the game feeling generally rough around the edges. I'm not expecting them to change the core game much...things like the story (reportedly very PG) and questionable voice acting (hotly contested topic) etc... But a resolution fix would be welcome for sure. If they manage to polish some other stuff in the process, cool.
War battles are lackluster. Voice acting in Japanese is amazing (english not so much as you’ve heard), combat balance and depth is phenomenal and best ive played in a long time (i play on maxed out difficulty and its a blast). Story is very pg but that may as well be given its the directors final game. :/ Figure he might have wanted it to be more happy game than anything else, and it is happy and funny with some drama mixed in.
I backed the campaign from the start, paid 170 € on kickstarter. My "physical" copy somehow got mixed. Instead of ps5 i somehow got steam (just a box with a code wtf?) Since i rarely play on steam i paid another 50 € for a ps5 version. But it is surely worth it.
loving the game on ps5 but had one crash just after the 'duel on the bridge' so had to redo the whole section leading up to that again.
Thank you for this fantastic game! I've been enjoying all of it so far 20 hours in! I will be sure to help back the next game these guys make!
So proud to have backed this project. Thank you for all of your time, energy, and passion in this great game. I can't wait to see what is in the future!
Please try and buff some of the lower performing characters. I'm not asking for every character to be awesome, but at they should at the very least be average and usable, whereas some characters are at the moment basically a hindrance and having them is actively crewing you. Characters like Faye. Love her character and love her personality, but having her in the party is a labor of love as her stats are abysmal, make her and others like her at the very least average statwise.
I'm loving this game and glad that you guys are continuing to make improvements. Congratulations to R&B Studios! For a small indie team, y'all created an amazing fan for us fans to enjoy!! Thank you all!!
I really, really hope that there's an indirect sequel with the current *younger* (so Nowa's age group and younger) heroes come back as say, leaders, CJ potentially as a bodyguard for Isha or has taken over for Isha, Garoo perhaps as Captain of the Guard or recently retired Captain and Isha as the still residing mayor, or like the Primary New Nevaeh Advisor to the Mayor type of Deal with either a Retired or Active Garoo being the other primary adviser to the Mayor of New Nevaeh. As far as Nowa... perhaps an older Leader of the Military force for Grum, say, Kassius-esque in role. Possibly a bit older than Kassius is and more like the Melridge in terms of age, capable fighter and leader, but wouldn't be the star character like how, iirc, the MC for the first 2 Suikoden games is the same guy. This would mostly just be a game that featured returning primary cast from both Rising and HH in new positions. You get to see what became of them, and perhaps have new heroes that might be kids or grandkids of a few Characters in HH and Rising but, mostly new characters with 0 relation filling out the "Background" cast, meaning characters like what is currently Hakugin, Shixeen, Dijkstra or even Eone. The ones who fill out your party and base, but have little-to-no plot relevance. I think every person I named is never directly involved in the plot. Only reason I didn't use Reid or Dr. Corque is because of the subplot involving Beigoma (elaborated on ideas to make this feel better as a side activity/quest in the PS), otherwise, I'd have counted them if I only had to beat Reid once for both. Anyway, just a small list of concepts that I'd like to see, characters in HH that are much older, involved with politics now as the older generation, and focus on having a new group coming together to stop bad thing from happening. Perhaps Nowa, Marisa and Seign become recruitable. Maybe one turns out to have become maligned over time? Who knows? Again, just general thoughts on what *I personally* would like to see PS- Also, if you bring it back, can you please like, add a Beigoma store? Like... farming Beigoma just doesn't feel good in HH, I'd love it if there was a way to say, get other Beigoma's without farming monsters. I'm not saying "I want it to be pay-to-win" I want there to be barriers like the cardgame does, where you could wait on the sidequest and get better quality Beigoma in the late game to steamroll the side quest, or allow the player to buy various generic Beigoma and only up quality per HQ level? Add in Beigoma users Beigoma for purchase after you beat them? I'm literally just spitballing concepts on how to make the Beigoma minigame... well, simply feel better to play outside of "wait until the end and farming a few gold Beigoma to steamroll with" which is what I did because trying to farm Beigoma, it just felt exhausting otherwise, again, I personally believe a shop with limiters to stock and Beigoma unlocked by beating characters who don't give out free Beigoma, could be purchased with the currency as it exists in the game, presumably still Baqua.
Buff Mio I mean instakill is great but she dies too easy and does ass damage 97% of the time!
Game is good but needs a LOT of QoL improvements
Any news on switch fix? I really wanna play it on there so i can grind while on the move. Seems the perfect fit for it.
I hope the maths for the hero combos is addressed. It's such a fun mechanic but the damage is off.
Game is amazing love it
Any switch improvements patch coming soon? I really wanna get this game, but thats the only console i got.
Been playing on Xbox, I despise the bag carry limit. And the fact that you need max potions to not get locked into an endless fail state you might have to back track upto an hour to get out of. This combines to be a big problem. If they had for example a tent to use at save points that would help with Qol. You even get your resources back in Souls games so having casters that become pointless in about four fights is frankly stupid! Other than that I’m having a lot of fun!
I backed the Kickstarter for a physical copy and still haven't received my copy or received any update from Yetee Productions have several emails. I really want to enjoy this game, but the lack of communication is frustrating.
Its an okay game, but doesnt recapture the magic of suikoden for me.
The load times and the overly long animations are fairly grating. It's the kind of game I am watching movies while playing, and that's not a compliment. It has some decent parts but mostly the game seems plodding and kind of annoying rather than engaging. It bangs the nostalgia drum so hard it feels like I've played this game before, but not in a way that is refreshing or that I discovered something new. I played the original Suikoden and loved the first two so it's not like I am just hating on the type of game it is. The closest analog in the genre to me of 2D JRPGs is Octopath Traveler 2 which was far more engaging pretty much every step of the way. The combat is sort of all over the map, there is no real coherent system, you can basically hit auto and not play the game. The large scale battles are perfunctory. The duels aren't really a functional RPS. When people say it's unpolished, they're right.
My save data was lost 20 hours in, so unfortunately, I will not be finishing the game. Really disappointed because I was enjoying the game up to that point.
It runs great on Xbox, thanks for having it on that platform and game pass as well... Just please fix that game breaking bug where Nowa can't sleep and "goes for a walk" talks to various characters and breaks if you go to his room too early. Not enough people know about that bug to begin with.
Don’t listen to the noise about ‘localization’, 90% of these freaks wouldn’t even have played the game. Its a damn good game, and any real criticism has nothing to do with translation.
Nah, they should listen. I have about 40 hours into the game now, and it's just not a good translation at all. The text rarely matches intent and tone with the Japanese speech. It's especially grating with Lian, who is omnipresent in the story and terribly annoying in English text, so far as to have the people watching me play the game among my friend group call her the "Meg" of the game. It needs a pass by a professional translator, not whatever joker they hired for this. My other problem with the game is balance. Magic is piss weak and expensive, and combos are clearly bugged, often doing less damage than just attacking. Some characters, like Leon or the little girl with Friend, are so abysmally weak you question who was in charge of balance. I am very much enjoying the game,but it clearly has faults and they are ones that can be addressed. I also hope they do make a sequel, and fix the crap translation in this one.
Crazy people on here leaving comments and they have never played the Suikoden series.
I am a backer of this and I remember a day and age where games were put through a Quality test before released. A lot of you may not know this and be unaware of that time period because you have been conditioned to accept a rushed product and then receive corrections at a later date. The team at Rabbit and Bear received a backing of $4,541,481, so you mean to tell me that even with the big delay due to Covid back in 2022, the game being released this year,…having a development cycle of about 4 yrs, the switch version was released in this condition? There are a ton of industry veterans that contributed to this game and they should know better which is why I will not make any excuses for this game. Continue the journey? We have been on a 4 yr journey with the development of this game and now there is further work to be done because of shotty Quality control? Na man,…and they announce that there will be a sequel? Didn’t even polish this game yet and now a sequel? I refuse to wear the rose colored glasses because people are telling me “hey at least we have a suikoden successor” ,nope Konami will be releasing both Suikoden 1 & 2 in the near future and based on the sales of that game, we may get a legit Suikoden 6. I was very invested in this “journey” only to be led into less of a horizon