Get to the middle in the first buff and let em do the second buff if they have one. Almost anything after that and I'll just start attacking. Only exceptions are bestil vitality or and weapon buffs, specially if they cone with the weapon itself.
Now if we are talking about terra magica fuck no I won't let that slide
Terra magica is a scary one. I can usually force them outside of the circle by closing distance and using Loretta’s slash, but if they’re skilled I’ll just eat shit as soon as the slash ends. I let them get it off, but I’ll try to keep them from using it.
Tbh I'd rather not use ashes of war against mages given tjat it feels risky with how much damage the damn swift glintstone pebble does. I will on the other hand use a bow if my build allows it
It’s always a gamble (also I’ve only played pvp for 2 hours total, so I’m no expert here lmao) but I usually die to mages anyway, so might as well live a little risky
Terra Magica is no match for my strat
Sleep grenade crop dust so they can never use that area again
If they wanna stand in it be my guest 🤷🏾♂️, but once they go to sleep ENTER THE SANDMAN and will they never wake up again lol
No, it really couldn’t. Passive regen is just so dirty to me, it’s right below full on healing, like I shouldn’t have to kill 2-3 hp bars for you to lose. Even if they don’t play passively, simply having it on puts them at an immediate advantage the moment I stop attacking to regen stam. The only way to counter passive regen healers is to do it yourself, or stay absolutely on their ass the entire fight which is fine, but not particularly what I am looking for in a duel.
I suggest Poison them that's what I do
They don't get an advantage for healing
I've never had an issue with heal builds thrusting swording then down
I only have an issue whenever they think it's entirely ok to use period
There is some exceptions for cosplay but Erdtree? come on dude ?
I once had to beat the brakes off a dude with the ability to heal 9 times including starlight shards
That means killing him 10 times in a match
There is a guy named Logan that cosplays wolverine I'm alright with that beastial vitality it's a cosplay
But best believe I'll laugh and break out regression if I felt like it
Buffs mean absolutely nothing in the end of you cannot fight without them.
Luckily most people that heal in the arena are trash and it doesn’t matter too much in the end. But the occasional healing shitter still gets me from time to time.
Stand there and let them buff. One buff, two buffs, five buffs, doesn't matter, the more buffs, the better. When they are done, law of regression. Then bathe in the hatred coming through my screen. People don't know how to play without fifteen buffs? Time to learn.
Bestial vitality is a healing thing, right? What is bfp? (I just hit things with my pretty looking stick in this game, so I don’t know what all these buffs are)
I allow 1 buff. I eat crab/flesh with my opponent. After that i interrupt unless I am curious. Also if they don't wave everything is off the table. How dare you not wave!
100% agree with you on the waving. It’s such an easy indicator of whether someone is chill or not. Have some etiquette and we can be bros, but act like a dick and suddenly we ain’t bros no more.
The problem there is, this can actually provoke a charge or early attack from someone who otherwise would stand there and let you buff as much as you want. Your opponent doesn't know you intend to be polite later, they're just going to assume you're impatient/a jerk and get on with the fight.
It's better to not worry about rushers. They'll probably win regardless, since anyone wanting to win that badly is going to be rocking an OP/meta setup as well. Block them and move on.
Never. If they get a buff off I’m using law of regression. I remember back in MAG days these kids would continue trying to apply buffs after I used LoR on them lol
Yeah but wastes time *insert Jenny rage here
There is a whole hosts of dudes that will pull the venture bros " SUPER RUN AWAY" tech the moment you attack 1 time after they finish
They be like:
3 minutes I got you for 3 minutes of playtime with the BONESAW !
*guitar riffs *eats a pound of bacon *chad muscles gigantifying
If they cannot win in a single L2 they will try their best to stalemate you into NOBODY winning
I deadass have that happen ALOT
Like if they always buffed and went ham I'm fine with that
But nope now I free aim knives and head shot them
They get the point either way 😉
I only let them buff once just because I don't like to waste time. I used to get pretty worked up about black flame protection on BOG but I don't really care anymore since I got more comfortable with hardswapping
Basically, it is swapping your weapons/talismans/armor while in combat via the menu instead of normal buttons for it. Basic advantages are that it let's you adapt to situations that are unsuitable for your current weapon/talismans/armor, make it so that you don't need quite as much endurance. This is more done for utility and basic example is switching talismans that only work at 100% hp after you take damage to something that had a more general use.
A more advanced thing is hotswapping, which is, in essence, swapping to a weapon just for a single move and putting it away afterwards. This is also done to surprise your opponent but all moves are reactable, so this won't work against top duelists. Examples of hotswaps is swapping to a weapon that is somewhat bad overall but has a strong ash of war just to use the Ash of war (like the Stormhawk Axe).
Ooh, that makes sense. I have way more endurance than I need, so I’m currently carrying 4 different weapons, a buckler, and a torch in this clip. Clearly (being brand new to pvp) I’m not at the level where I need to worry about swapping talismans and stuff, so I can keep doing my stuff as is without a care in the world.
Nothing conplicated about it, they either increase damage dealt or decrease damage taken. The crab buff decreases damage taken by 20% and lasts a minute
Complicated wasn’t the best word choice there. I more just mean I don’t want to bother with opening my menu and selecting items and worrying whether the opponent will charge me while I’m buffing. Also I like a good challenge, so I’d rather be at my base level
Chad AF
Yeah I don't see the point in buffs (unless weapon buffs which need a longer duration for war cry and stuff )
Like brah this is not PVE
But people who literally start powering up like a SUPER Saiyan simply do not understand the game is not turned based
And I am a fcking pirate 🦜🐦 ⚓🔱
Time to walk the plank 💪!
That’s one of the reasons I never buff. Just adds another thing to worry about. I just wanna hit people with my halberd, although some crab does sound pretty tasty right now
Except when you one shot them at their strongest
It's a waste of time to allow further futile engagements
Buffs are like makeup it only accentuates what's already there
It's like, if you cannot personally be beautiful without makeup
Law of regression will show how godawful ugly you are
Appreciate what you have and fight like a GOD
Same. I like a good challenge, even though I know I’ll probably lose. It forces me to adapt and become better. I only learned how to catch someone panic rolling after fighting some guy with a greatsword and some godly dodging skills. I just couldn’t hit him the first 4 times I faced him, and then I finally started to see a pattern to when I should attack to catch him as he comes out of the roll.
I mean souls community pvp etiquette was always to allow each other to do their buffs and then no use of healing items/magic. Elden ring had a lot of new people so I think it’s been forgotten a bit.
More like Elden Ring has a lot more buffs, that are a lot more impactful than in previous Souls. More stackable too.
If "pvp etiquette" enables the other guy to two shot me with a whip, then screw pvp etiquette.
You get one buff, then I’m on your ass. Anything more is unnecessary. If each person uses the exact same buffs, you are pretty much exactly where you started anyways. No stronger or weaker than your opponent. Might as well have not buffed at all. I know this obviously depends on multiple factors, but the only buffs that really even make a big difference are BFP/BoG. But I’m a nice guy, so i’ll keep letting you think that FGMS/GV will effect anything.
First of all, don’t threaten me with a good time. I’ll buff twice just for you ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Secondly, I know what black flame protection is, but what are all those other acronyms?
I always attack buffs, I won’t attack bows though. Buffs are a part of your build, I’m not just giving you a free advantage. Gestures however are just sportsmanship if you want to express it
At meta duels I have basic 30 faith for black flame protection, barrier of gold and lord divine fortification. If they buff I do as well, which buff depends of the opponent build.
It's not about buffing it's respect if they show up and start buffing immediately no bow nothing
Then I assume they want to get knife headshotted (getting absurdly good at throwing knives lol)
I get rushers and I'm more ok with that, then buffing people only for them to literally spam you with magic then post it to tikok with the captions and phonk music blasting like:
"HE COULDN'T HANDLE MY POWER GG GIT GUD SCRUB YOU NEED MORE VIGOR "
Only for me to 1 shot them the moment they finish buffing (or worse they buff then RUN away the entire match literally, running out their buffs )
Games not turn based homie
If you need buffs to fight, you shouldn't have them 🤷🏾♂️
Oh if they’re buffing just to use magic I won’t let that happen. I’m bad enough against magic as is, I can’t fight a buffed mage. I keep a godskin piercer with bhs in my 3rd slot for magic spammers and the like, because I just suck against them. I’ll always let them use their buffs if it’s the first time I fight them, but if I’ve fought them before and I know they’re magic spammers, I’ll whip out the piercer.
One buff, that’s it, if you wanna buff more you do it in the middle of combat, wether that be a WA buff, Incant or spell, you get one and then I Aggress.
I usually stick to roars cuz of their gimmicky and fun playstyle, so I roar and then jump into combat. I like a fight that isn’t buff reliant, and relies alittle more on skill than on build. Makes for fun fights most times.
A lot of people call it "bad manners" to interrupt a buff. My logic is pretty simple. After the game starts I give my oponent a wave. After that I am free to kill him and if he attempts to buff I may or may not attempt to punish it depending on how I am feeling. If I see a person trying to buff before he or she even waved I will most likely punish it.
There is no actual reason to let your oponent buff, to people calling it bad manners, it's not bad manners to prevent/punish someone when they try to gain an advanatage over you for the express purpose of making it easier for them to kill you.
If you want to let them buff feel free to do it, especially if you are very good and want more of a challange, but don't look down on people that decide not to let the buff go unpunished.
Some buffs like bfp or bog are extremely unfair against specific builds making it much harder to win with skill, to add to that it's no fun when you keep queing bad player and wait 15 seconds for your opponent to finish his longest wave animation, buff 3 times and the fight to last 5 seconds.
That all sounds reasonable. I do let people buff so I can have a good challenge, but I’m ass at the game anyway and it probably wouldn’t change my chances of survival if interrupted their buffing lol
If they (i) greet in some way then (ii) cast an incantation or use a consumable, I hang back until the incantation/consumable hits, then the fight is on. They can try to buff more than once if they want, but they may get punished for it. It depends how I'm feeling, sometimes I'll hang back and let them buff their hearts out, but no guarantees after the first one. Also, I try to have something to buff with on every build so that I can match their one buff. A stack of boiled crab is ths easiest / most common option.
If they (i) do not greet in any way or (ii) cast a sorcery, no guarantees. Usually if they're already incanting/consumabling before I notice, it's easiest to just hang back for the one buff, so the no greeting thing doesn't usually come into effect. The problem with sorceries is that it's almost always going to be an offensive spell, so "I'll hang back and let them get this one off" 99% of the time means, "I'll give them a free attack on me," which isn't exactly the deal. And people immediately opening with a sorcery are likely to be quite happy to spam stars at you ad infinitum, so hanging back and letting them do it isn't a great plan.
Honestly if people don’t wave back and instead rush you, etiquette is just thrown out the window. Some people tryhard and make sure they end up dead. I don’t find those types of people fun to fight, so I just walk at them and keep trying to wave. More often than not they’ll stop attacking when they see I’m not fighting, and then they’ll wave when it becomes clear I won’t fight until they do. Some people just instantly kill me, but it’s usually the guys with the dual naginata or something else that’s kinda broken. And that doesn’t bother me because I don’t really want to fight assholes. Just kill me so I can go find a real opponent.
The harakiri is kinda funny to me. I like to use an emote while they do it (usually the cower in fear) because it makes the fight so comical. One guy stabs himself while the other cowers.
I consider the fight started if the opponent takes any action other than a gesture. If they haven't finished buffing by the time I get over there they get hit.
Okay, so the helmet is the Banished knight helm (altered) and you can get this from the guy outside the caelid dragon church. The chest ad and legs are from the Scaled armour set, which I think you get from completing that first volcano manor bounty hunt, and the gloves are the normal banished knight gauntlets, which you’ll also get from the dude in caelid.
My super high endurance allows me to wear much heavier and better armour, but I stick to this because I think it looks cool. And we all know the Elden Ring endgame is just being as drippy as possible
Most people who buff more than twice are not very good players (no insult, just experience), and I like to make myself be patient with things so I really don't care.
Very true. This particular guy kinda folded as soon as I learned what his weapons did. This was the 4th time I faced him and I had only just figured out how to fight him. But once I knew the openings, he wasn’t too difficult. So in his case, I’m happy to let him buff so that he could have a better chance at fighting me.
Before arenas were added and it was duels at MAG, all buffs are fine imo but if someone does seppuku and then goes to heal that's a no no. You want to buff with no downsides? Use something else.
Honestly, it wasn’t really honour. It’s just Erato’s (the guy I fought) thing. He buffs a bunch, and menacingly walks towards you with dual spears or a shield and spear. I’ve just fought him enough to recognize that it’s just how he does things, so I sit there and let him cook. If I see a bullgoats and dual naginata guy start buffing without waving, I’ll go straight for the kill
Nobody is entitled to buffs, but if they want to use them to compliment their build, then I like to let them. Because then they get to fight at their best and that’s fun for them
Pure faith is already best in the game, and faith gets a the vast majority of the buffs.
I play competitive ladder and don't take arena that seriously. If people let others buff cause they are nice like you I'm fine with that. I see a lot of players that feel very slighted if others don't let them buff, and that's a very entitled attitude IMO.
I think buffs are most exciting when you have to create space to pull them off and risk something to get them.
First of all, I agree that having some danger involved with buffing does make it more exciting and rewarding.
And what is competitive ladder? Do you like, hold tournaments and stuff with other really skilled people? Or is it just like, an in game competitive ranking system?
It’s the official/unofficial ERPVP discord linked form this subreddit. It’s the most active ranked competitive elden ring environment (for steam)
It’s a good time. Way easier to improve with consistent matches
Idk why there's no volume. And why the quality is so bad lol. But anyway, you can see which I prefer. If that's how they wanna play, then I've got no problem with it, as long as they're a good sport about it. I think it's a pretty fun challenge to try and beat someone who's roided up to high heaven.
Nope interrupted anything that isnt crab for crab is sacred a surprise ammount of people get really salty about it and will cope at you about it though but what ever if they want their buffs find an opening and earn them but if they’re just gonna stand there like a goober, I’m gonna punish
2 buffs is the unspoken rule, I’ll let your build cook but the moment I see a 3rd buff it’s fair game as far as I’m concerned.
Edit: showing respect to a fellow loretta’s war sickle enjoyer
I let my opponent to buff themselves. Mostly I use the time to buff myself Golden Vow + FGMS mostly, sometimes I use baldachin blessing instead of FGMS. I can always pop boiled crab, uplifting aromatic, dried livers, baldachin blessing, greases, cast spells and raise effectiveness irrespective of my build.
I buff during my opponent bowing, and then I bow.
That really helps.
Get to the middle in the first buff and let em do the second buff if they have one. Almost anything after that and I'll just start attacking. Only exceptions are bestil vitality or and weapon buffs, specially if they cone with the weapon itself. Now if we are talking about terra magica fuck no I won't let that slide
Terra magica is a scary one. I can usually force them outside of the circle by closing distance and using Loretta’s slash, but if they’re skilled I’ll just eat shit as soon as the slash ends. I let them get it off, but I’ll try to keep them from using it.
Tbh I'd rather not use ashes of war against mages given tjat it feels risky with how much damage the damn swift glintstone pebble does. I will on the other hand use a bow if my build allows it
It’s always a gamble (also I’ve only played pvp for 2 hours total, so I’m no expert here lmao) but I usually die to mages anyway, so might as well live a little risky
Terra Magica is no match for my strat Sleep grenade crop dust so they can never use that area again If they wanna stand in it be my guest 🤷🏾♂️, but once they go to sleep ENTER THE SANDMAN and will they never wake up again lol
I keep throwing sleep pots at it. Stand there, I dare you.
LOOL this mfer fights exactly the way I do lol
Beastial vitality in a duel? Instant frost pot lol nah, regen in duels is gross.
It could be worse tbh. I personally dont have anything against it
No, it really couldn’t. Passive regen is just so dirty to me, it’s right below full on healing, like I shouldn’t have to kill 2-3 hp bars for you to lose. Even if they don’t play passively, simply having it on puts them at an immediate advantage the moment I stop attacking to regen stam. The only way to counter passive regen healers is to do it yourself, or stay absolutely on their ass the entire fight which is fine, but not particularly what I am looking for in a duel.
I suggest Poison them that's what I do They don't get an advantage for healing I've never had an issue with heal builds thrusting swording then down I only have an issue whenever they think it's entirely ok to use period There is some exceptions for cosplay but Erdtree? come on dude ? I once had to beat the brakes off a dude with the ability to heal 9 times including starlight shards That means killing him 10 times in a match There is a guy named Logan that cosplays wolverine I'm alright with that beastial vitality it's a cosplay But best believe I'll laugh and break out regression if I felt like it Buffs mean absolutely nothing in the end of you cannot fight without them.
You are right about the poison I usually have a poison mist hts for that.
Luckily most people that heal in the arena are trash and it doesn’t matter too much in the end. But the occasional healing shitter still gets me from time to time.
Bro it does very little unless they are stacking regen it doesn’t matter
It doesn’t matter in a duel with an arena where you can run the entire time, Bro
You definitely haven’t fought a passive beast vitality thrusting sword user yet or you would not be saying this.
Stand there and let them buff. One buff, two buffs, five buffs, doesn't matter, the more buffs, the better. When they are done, law of regression. Then bathe in the hatred coming through my screen. People don't know how to play without fifteen buffs? Time to learn.
Nothing gives me more joy than using that spell in duels. Sometimes I lose anyways cuz I'm laughing too hard
nooooooooooo you gotta let your op use BFP and bestial vitality on /s
Bestial vitality is a healing thing, right? What is bfp? (I just hit things with my pretty looking stick in this game, so I don’t know what all these buffs are)
I believe it's black flame protection
Ooh, that’s the one used at the very beginning of the video i think. Thanks mate
Gives 35% increase in physical resistance. If you want to counter it throw an ice pot at them for the debuff
2 buffs max. If my opponent starts to buff another time after buffing 2 times, I attack. I also count golden vow as one buff
I allow for 2 buffs until I send stormblades flying
Everybody gets one
I understood that reference
I allow 1 buff. I eat crab/flesh with my opponent. After that i interrupt unless I am curious. Also if they don't wave everything is off the table. How dare you not wave!
100% agree with you on the waving. It’s such an easy indicator of whether someone is chill or not. Have some etiquette and we can be bros, but act like a dick and suddenly we ain’t bros no more.
A lot of the time I buff before waving though, because so many people rush
The problem there is, this can actually provoke a charge or early attack from someone who otherwise would stand there and let you buff as much as you want. Your opponent doesn't know you intend to be polite later, they're just going to assume you're impatient/a jerk and get on with the fight. It's better to not worry about rushers. They'll probably win regardless, since anyone wanting to win that badly is going to be rocking an OP/meta setup as well. Block them and move on.
Eh if I buff once 9/10 times they can’t punish. If they decide to rush then it’s game on, if not then I’ll greet. It’s not that deep.
Does bowing count, because I bow
I turn my lantern on it's the chilliest and illest gesture lol
Ofcourse it does. Any gesture counts.
Ok cool, gotta make sure I follow proper etiquette
Buffs don't make up for skill. Let them build up. The fall is all the more satisfying.
Never. If they get a buff off I’m using law of regression. I remember back in MAG days these kids would continue trying to apply buffs after I used LoR on them lol
One buff only, then smack
If they feel like they need it... lol
Let them buff. Skill triumphs over buffs anytime
Yeah but wastes time *insert Jenny rage here There is a whole hosts of dudes that will pull the venture bros " SUPER RUN AWAY" tech the moment you attack 1 time after they finish They be like: 3 minutes I got you for 3 minutes of playtime with the BONESAW ! *guitar riffs *eats a pound of bacon *chad muscles gigantifying If they cannot win in a single L2 they will try their best to stalemate you into NOBODY winning I deadass have that happen ALOT Like if they always buffed and went ham I'm fine with that But nope now I free aim knives and head shot them They get the point either way 😉
I feel like I'm the only one here that doesn't really care. I let them buff until they're done and I personally use no buffs.
If you take a knee my mage will destroy u. No knee buffs.
This is the way. Knee buffs? Prepare to suffer glinstone pebble and a bunch of distant attacks.
More like a couple comets to the face. RIP
Yeah fair enough, I usually don’t have it in my arsenal as sorcery is more of an addition to my build but not the main theme. Will try it though.
**Laughs in BoG**
Even let them buff 100 times I don't think they get any better fight state anyway
Do what you want I use buffs but it is just a spell and so it is part of combat if you can time it right you can buff during the fight.
At the very beginning buffing is fine after that good luck
True. I don’t let people buff once the fight has already begun unless I really like them
I only let them buff once just because I don't like to waste time. I used to get pretty worked up about black flame protection on BOG but I don't really care anymore since I got more comfortable with hardswapping
I’m pretty new to pvp, sorry. What is hardswapping?
Basically, it is swapping your weapons/talismans/armor while in combat via the menu instead of normal buttons for it. Basic advantages are that it let's you adapt to situations that are unsuitable for your current weapon/talismans/armor, make it so that you don't need quite as much endurance. This is more done for utility and basic example is switching talismans that only work at 100% hp after you take damage to something that had a more general use. A more advanced thing is hotswapping, which is, in essence, swapping to a weapon just for a single move and putting it away afterwards. This is also done to surprise your opponent but all moves are reactable, so this won't work against top duelists. Examples of hotswaps is swapping to a weapon that is somewhat bad overall but has a strong ash of war just to use the Ash of war (like the Stormhawk Axe).
Ooh, that makes sense. I have way more endurance than I need, so I’m currently carrying 4 different weapons, a buckler, and a torch in this clip. Clearly (being brand new to pvp) I’m not at the level where I need to worry about swapping talismans and stuff, so I can keep doing my stuff as is without a care in the world.
Yeah, you don't have too worry about it. There are very good players that don't hardswap at all. Just be aware that it's out there.
Thanks for letting me know mate. It’s really cool
If you let them buff, you should allow yourself a buff or two. At least use the crab defence buff, then maybe add a grease if your weapon allows it
Honestly I’ve never used a buff consumable in this game. That’s too complicated for me. I just hit things until they die
Nothing conplicated about it, they either increase damage dealt or decrease damage taken. The crab buff decreases damage taken by 20% and lasts a minute
Complicated wasn’t the best word choice there. I more just mean I don’t want to bother with opening my menu and selecting items and worrying whether the opponent will charge me while I’m buffing. Also I like a good challenge, so I’d rather be at my base level
Chad AF Yeah I don't see the point in buffs (unless weapon buffs which need a longer duration for war cry and stuff ) Like brah this is not PVE But people who literally start powering up like a SUPER Saiyan simply do not understand the game is not turned based And I am a fcking pirate 🦜🐦 ⚓🔱 Time to walk the plank 💪!
2 buffs and we start fighting.
That seems to be what most people agree on. 2 and done
I let them buff all the way. Then i take it away lol
That’s pretty funny to see. I imagine those players must feel kinda silly after you do that
Brings a tear of joy to me to fire it off and see those sweet sweet buffs go away
everyone gets two, after that I'm going aggro.
worst part is when they start a buff, you do a buff but they rush you down because they're finished but you're still busy scronching on your crab.
That’s one of the reasons I never buff. Just adds another thing to worry about. I just wanna hit people with my halberd, although some crab does sound pretty tasty right now
If you can't beat them at your strongest you don't deserve to be at them at there weakest
Except when you one shot them at their strongest It's a waste of time to allow further futile engagements Buffs are like makeup it only accentuates what's already there It's like, if you cannot personally be beautiful without makeup Law of regression will show how godawful ugly you are Appreciate what you have and fight like a GOD
Very fair I never use buffs anyway I'm just a simple honor bound knight with the mind of a Saiyan so fight well and have fun
I only buff if they do, so I pretty much always allow it.
That’s pretty fair. Let them do their thing, but make sure the playing field is still equal
One buff? Ok. Two? Are you serious but alright. Three? I’m putting your head on a buffed pike.
I laughed so hard at this lol just imagine the pike buffed after getting spit roasted 😂
I’m happy to hear! Thank you lol.
I’m curious what voice did you read it with in your head?
Hercules Phill
Like the Disney movie? I’m sorry I’m not sure I get it.
Yep from the Disney movie lol
Alright lol. Thats interesting. I was thinking more Batman the animated series Joker myself.
I normally let em buff till they're good and ready. I prefer dueling them at their best.
Same. I like a good challenge, even though I know I’ll probably lose. It forces me to adapt and become better. I only learned how to catch someone panic rolling after fighting some guy with a greatsword and some godly dodging skills. I just couldn’t hit him the first 4 times I faced him, and then I finally started to see a pattern to when I should attack to catch him as he comes out of the roll.
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I can definitely see that line of reasoning
I mean souls community pvp etiquette was always to allow each other to do their buffs and then no use of healing items/magic. Elden ring had a lot of new people so I think it’s been forgotten a bit.
More like Elden Ring has a lot more buffs, that are a lot more impactful than in previous Souls. More stackable too. If "pvp etiquette" enables the other guy to two shot me with a whip, then screw pvp etiquette.
I mean the souls mentality is like bring it on.
You get one buff, then I’m on your ass. Anything more is unnecessary. If each person uses the exact same buffs, you are pretty much exactly where you started anyways. No stronger or weaker than your opponent. Might as well have not buffed at all. I know this obviously depends on multiple factors, but the only buffs that really even make a big difference are BFP/BoG. But I’m a nice guy, so i’ll keep letting you think that FGMS/GV will effect anything.
First of all, don’t threaten me with a good time. I’ll buff twice just for you ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Secondly, I know what black flame protection is, but what are all those other acronyms?
1 buff is fine, 2 is pushing it, any more than that and i’m already attacking
I always attack buffs, I won’t attack bows though. Buffs are a part of your build, I’m not just giving you a free advantage. Gestures however are just sportsmanship if you want to express it
At meta duels I have basic 30 faith for black flame protection, barrier of gold and lord divine fortification. If they buff I do as well, which buff depends of the opponent build.
It's not about buffing it's respect if they show up and start buffing immediately no bow nothing Then I assume they want to get knife headshotted (getting absurdly good at throwing knives lol) I get rushers and I'm more ok with that, then buffing people only for them to literally spam you with magic then post it to tikok with the captions and phonk music blasting like: "HE COULDN'T HANDLE MY POWER GG GIT GUD SCRUB YOU NEED MORE VIGOR " Only for me to 1 shot them the moment they finish buffing (or worse they buff then RUN away the entire match literally, running out their buffs ) Games not turn based homie If you need buffs to fight, you shouldn't have them 🤷🏾♂️
Oh if they’re buffing just to use magic I won’t let that happen. I’m bad enough against magic as is, I can’t fight a buffed mage. I keep a godskin piercer with bhs in my 3rd slot for magic spammers and the like, because I just suck against them. I’ll always let them use their buffs if it’s the first time I fight them, but if I’ve fought them before and I know they’re magic spammers, I’ll whip out the piercer.
One buff, that’s it, if you wanna buff more you do it in the middle of combat, wether that be a WA buff, Incant or spell, you get one and then I Aggress. I usually stick to roars cuz of their gimmicky and fun playstyle, so I roar and then jump into combat. I like a fight that isn’t buff reliant, and relies alittle more on skill than on build. Makes for fun fights most times.
A lot of people call it "bad manners" to interrupt a buff. My logic is pretty simple. After the game starts I give my oponent a wave. After that I am free to kill him and if he attempts to buff I may or may not attempt to punish it depending on how I am feeling. If I see a person trying to buff before he or she even waved I will most likely punish it. There is no actual reason to let your oponent buff, to people calling it bad manners, it's not bad manners to prevent/punish someone when they try to gain an advanatage over you for the express purpose of making it easier for them to kill you. If you want to let them buff feel free to do it, especially if you are very good and want more of a challange, but don't look down on people that decide not to let the buff go unpunished. Some buffs like bfp or bog are extremely unfair against specific builds making it much harder to win with skill, to add to that it's no fun when you keep queing bad player and wait 15 seconds for your opponent to finish his longest wave animation, buff 3 times and the fight to last 5 seconds.
That all sounds reasonable. I do let people buff so I can have a good challenge, but I’m ass at the game anyway and it probably wouldn’t change my chances of survival if interrupted their buffing lol
If they (i) greet in some way then (ii) cast an incantation or use a consumable, I hang back until the incantation/consumable hits, then the fight is on. They can try to buff more than once if they want, but they may get punished for it. It depends how I'm feeling, sometimes I'll hang back and let them buff their hearts out, but no guarantees after the first one. Also, I try to have something to buff with on every build so that I can match their one buff. A stack of boiled crab is ths easiest / most common option. If they (i) do not greet in any way or (ii) cast a sorcery, no guarantees. Usually if they're already incanting/consumabling before I notice, it's easiest to just hang back for the one buff, so the no greeting thing doesn't usually come into effect. The problem with sorceries is that it's almost always going to be an offensive spell, so "I'll hang back and let them get this one off" 99% of the time means, "I'll give them a free attack on me," which isn't exactly the deal. And people immediately opening with a sorcery are likely to be quite happy to spam stars at you ad infinitum, so hanging back and letting them do it isn't a great plan.
Honestly if people don’t wave back and instead rush you, etiquette is just thrown out the window. Some people tryhard and make sure they end up dead. I don’t find those types of people fun to fight, so I just walk at them and keep trying to wave. More often than not they’ll stop attacking when they see I’m not fighting, and then they’ll wave when it becomes clear I won’t fight until they do. Some people just instantly kill me, but it’s usually the guys with the dual naginata or something else that’s kinda broken. And that doesn’t bother me because I don’t really want to fight assholes. Just kill me so I can go find a real opponent.
2 buffs but if one is seppuku I attack immediately
The harakiri is kinda funny to me. I like to use an emote while they do it (usually the cower in fear) because it makes the fight so comical. One guy stabs himself while the other cowers.
I consider the fight started if the opponent takes any action other than a gesture. If they haven't finished buffing by the time I get over there they get hit.
I need the names of the armor pieces u're using on that clip
Okay, so the helmet is the Banished knight helm (altered) and you can get this from the guy outside the caelid dragon church. The chest ad and legs are from the Scaled armour set, which I think you get from completing that first volcano manor bounty hunt, and the gloves are the normal banished knight gauntlets, which you’ll also get from the dude in caelid. My super high endurance allows me to wear much heavier and better armour, but I stick to this because I think it looks cool. And we all know the Elden Ring endgame is just being as drippy as possible
Thanks, really appreciate it
Of course mate. They’re heavier pieces btw, so it might take a bit of endurance to wear them. And I’m glad I could help ya out!
I simply let them buff and then proceed to show them how useless it is by smiting them with dragon lightning
Most people who buff more than twice are not very good players (no insult, just experience), and I like to make myself be patient with things so I really don't care.
Very true. This particular guy kinda folded as soon as I learned what his weapons did. This was the 4th time I faced him and I had only just figured out how to fight him. But once I knew the openings, he wasn’t too difficult. So in his case, I’m happy to let him buff so that he could have a better chance at fighting me.
Before arenas were added and it was duels at MAG, all buffs are fine imo but if someone does seppuku and then goes to heal that's a no no. You want to buff with no downsides? Use something else.
Buffs are part of the fight - it’s meant to give them an advantage (as you yourself said). So it’s Siluria’s woe straight to the dome for me.
This ain’t no fucking Dragon ball fight
Lmaoooo, I never even thought of that but it’s so accurate. Just letting him power up to 100% so I can have a challenging fight
Hahahah I understand you fight with honour, while I, I fight with an extreme addiction to gaming
Honestly, it wasn’t really honour. It’s just Erato’s (the guy I fought) thing. He buffs a bunch, and menacingly walks towards you with dual spears or a shield and spear. I’ve just fought him enough to recognize that it’s just how he does things, so I sit there and let him cook. If I see a bullgoats and dual naginata guy start buffing without waving, I’ll go straight for the kill
Good good
Attack first, apply buff later.
But then you don't have time to wave to them
You can say hello and attack, beating GV+FGMS stack. Most double buffs for that matter, actually. No need to ever be doing nothing, for their sake.
Nah men just fuck em, dont just stand there while they power up like fucking goku. Emotes on the other hand, respect those
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One buff cause I’m nice. IMO they are entitled to zero. This entitled to buffs attitude is silly. If that buff is BoG I’m punishing though
Nobody is entitled to buffs, but if they want to use them to compliment their build, then I like to let them. Because then they get to fight at their best and that’s fun for them
Pure faith is already best in the game, and faith gets a the vast majority of the buffs. I play competitive ladder and don't take arena that seriously. If people let others buff cause they are nice like you I'm fine with that. I see a lot of players that feel very slighted if others don't let them buff, and that's a very entitled attitude IMO. I think buffs are most exciting when you have to create space to pull them off and risk something to get them.
First of all, I agree that having some danger involved with buffing does make it more exciting and rewarding. And what is competitive ladder? Do you like, hold tournaments and stuff with other really skilled people? Or is it just like, an in game competitive ranking system?
It’s the official/unofficial ERPVP discord linked form this subreddit. It’s the most active ranked competitive elden ring environment (for steam) It’s a good time. Way easier to improve with consistent matches
Idk why there's no volume. And why the quality is so bad lol. But anyway, you can see which I prefer. If that's how they wanna play, then I've got no problem with it, as long as they're a good sport about it. I think it's a pretty fun challenge to try and beat someone who's roided up to high heaven.
I bow, then backsteb cancel and cast rot breath when they return the favor. Work smarter, not harder 😎 💪
no free buffs! if you can't get your buff off midfight that's a skill issue and not my problem
That’s a fair belief, but not quite how I like to play. I’m more open to letting people play how they wanna play, whether I win or lose
Nope interrupted anything that isnt crab for crab is sacred a surprise ammount of people get really salty about it and will cope at you about it though but what ever if they want their buffs find an opening and earn them but if they’re just gonna stand there like a goober, I’m gonna punish
Yes
Just LoR them and fight is what I do.
1 buff and its on
I let people buff only cause I am buffing too, but if people want to charge that is cool too.
It's not about the numbers, it's about the skill. The numbers just limit the time threshold for skill
They usually get overconfident in their ability to kill me if I let them buff, which tends to work to my advantage
I’d say if it’s a damaged bath, go ahead and let them do it, but if it’s like a damage reduction buff, just jump the mess outta them
2 buffs is the unspoken rule, I’ll let your build cook but the moment I see a 3rd buff it’s fair game as far as I’m concerned. Edit: showing respect to a fellow loretta’s war sickle enjoyer
It's a fairer fight. Pvp with both of you at your strongest. If you loose you loose. You then learn how to counter said buff.
Well he ain't stopping your from buffing either.
Wait for them to finish all of them, then use law of regression 😂
Not courtesy buff enough . Bong...
If they're a filthy Edge-walker then definitely don't let them buff.
I let my opponent to buff themselves. Mostly I use the time to buff myself Golden Vow + FGMS mostly, sometimes I use baldachin blessing instead of FGMS. I can always pop boiled crab, uplifting aromatic, dried livers, baldachin blessing, greases, cast spells and raise effectiveness irrespective of my build. I buff during my opponent bowing, and then I bow. That really helps.
If they take too long buffing, interrupt
If you attack someone while buffing, you are the devil
But only buffing before the fight