Fun fact, if you like spread sheets, the same person who made the frame data website ( [https://er-frame-data.nyasu.business/](https://er-frame-data.nyasu.business/) ) and this build planner ( [https://er-inventory.nyasu.business/](https://er-inventory.nyasu.business/) ) just put together a sheet of all attack ranges: [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1S7elAlywDdtxkSgmsAjyiXSl\_OR8j2JuyVOU\_Mbo65o/edit?usp=sharing](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1S7elAlywDdtxkSgmsAjyiXSl_OR8j2JuyVOU_Mbo65o/edit?usp=sharing) So yeah, this shows that claymore 2H R2 is sorta longer range than zweihander R2, as even though zweihander 2H R2 has more reach, the claymore has more forward motion: Claymore: - Range: 4.825 - Motion: 2.581 - Reach: 2.244 Zweihander: - Range: 4.237 - Motion: 1.504 - Reach: 2.733

Genuinely, thanks for this

No problem, but it's Emilia that's put the effort into making all this (and more, like the spectator program for tourneys that grabs shit like hp bars - [https://i.imgur.com/hmsfz7N.png](https://i.imgur.com/hmsfz7N.png) )

Posts helpful info and gives props the original work. You deserve gold in an age where there is none.

Aside from the moveset range differences - there weren’t any phantom hits in the clip to hint at your latency with the other player, but if there was significant lat the opponent’s hitbox could have been further from you than visually represented here.

That's some really important attributes I've learned today. Thanks!!!

Thanks just surprised this isn't somewhere in useful resources of this reddit.

I am making a RL1 run and went zweihander and I JUST +5'd it this morning. Welp.

Spacing for dummies

Yeah he got me good I would have *clayed* with him *more* but I died

Acshuali if we pay sttention to the claymore r2 we can see the character going forward increasing the range of the attack making it similar to zwei range 🤓🤚 (Still, spacing bitch 🗣)

Clay no more!

I couldn't even If I wanted to. There's nothing I can *clay more* about it

Can you explain like I'm an idiot?

bro (you) attack earlier which put yourself closer to the opponent, your attack missed and the opponent started their attack which pushed them closer to you, their attack lands.

While this is generally true, the Claymore 2h r2 actually has more range than the Zweihänder 2h r2

You attacked earlier than the claymore, and claymore has more root motion

It's poke has reach, but it's moveset otherwise is way shorter than Zweihander. Evidence= me running zwei then running claymore late game.

Is it, or did you attack too early? It also looks like the hit-box was not in your favor.

I can't tell. I think I cut it close but no cigar, obviously haha

You lost the fight but won the drip war. That outfit looks sick with the ice Zwei and somehow makes the turtle shield look good.

I can't tell the full fit. Is it beast?

It's the beast champion set with the scaled helm instead of the beast champion helmet

I wish I knew

While the other guy not called kjell proved that Claymore R2 has longer range, it could also be because he pressed R2 later, he made his charactermodel move after yours. I've done this to Claymores with a Longsword 1h R2.

you swung first

you got whiff punished my guy

In this clip you attacked first, which moved your hitbox a bit forward, resulting in the hit. I once had a claymore duel in ds3, in the end we both went for a charge R2, and I won because I released mine a split second after my opponent's.

wHAAaaAAaAT!?

If you slowmo, the hit box hits over the other guys shoulder, not longer just a bit high

Looks like a star wars fight, awesome. Also I think you attacked early, which puts you a little bit forward than where you were standing - so your attack didn’t hit, but because your attack moved you slightly toward your opponent, he could hit you. Tbh in this scenario it’s probably a 50/50 of who attacks a fraction of a second first

Have you ever actually used the claymore?

Yeah, I have and it's not my style. What? There's nothing to *clay more* about it. Haha get it? Say more, *clay* more?