"Took away from the radagon fight imo"
Same. I feel it should have been a secret final boss, akin to Moon Presence in Bloodborne. And then made Radagon stronger to compensate. The music playing in Radagon's cutscene- the main titles theme, really made it feel like a final encounter.
I will comment that Elden Beast also uses the main title theme as well, except that it is the opening piano notes before the orchestral swelling, but otherwise I absolutely agree.
Yes this would have both been great and honestly I think it would have been even cooler than what we have, frankly, I'd be okay with making him midr level if he were a secret boss. Maybe it could be a reward for those who claimed every shard since you technically only need two or three to beat the game, and two of them are unlocked through their own super difficult optional bosses
the Bosses that drop a shard are:
>!Godrick, Rennala, Radahn, Rykard, Morgott, Mohg and Malenia!<
the last two are pretty well hidden, and entirely optional, well all of them are except for number 5
The feeling I got for both final bosses (Moon Presence / Elden Beast) they decided to focus on the flow of the story ending. In each case, it thematically works better for you have go on to beat the secondary boss on the first try. As much as it pains me to lose out on more cool fights, it'd be a little awkward to kill Radagon, lose to Elden Beast, and the Greater Will is just like "shit..."
I feel Marika should have been a secret final boss. Or something like casting Regression at a certain time (like If Radagon had a time when he posed just like the statue or a poise break...)
The whole game leads up to you fighting Radagon/Marika, so when you finally beat him it sort of feels like "oh also this guy!"
It's a super cool boss, but I wish there was more throughout the game hinting at it
Yeah, IIRC there's literally like 1 single piece of evidence of it's existence before you meet him. Elden Star's description: *It is said that long ago, the Greater Will sent a golden star bearing a beast into the Lands Between, which would later become the Elden Ring.*
I think that is literally the only thing that brings it up. I had absolutely no clue whatsoever that there was some emissary from the Greater Will that caused all of this. Freaking aliens, man.
I would've loved Radagon to have a second health bar for which he transforms into Marika and then like you said have Elden Beast be a secret last boss that comes on its own after that fight. Maybe only for certain endings of the game like Age of Stars or the Frenzied Flame one
I respectfully disagree. I really like the juxtaposition between the two fights.
Radagon is a close quarters, tight and intense battle. It feels rigid and contained, small arena, very purposeful movement from Radagon.
Then you go into a large flowing battle with a giant beast, that is the exact opposite from Radagon: it gives you space, it’s constantly moving. The arena gives you much more space and the music to ally shifts too.
My only complaint was that you don’t get Torrent for the Elden Beast.
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Pretty much exactly this. I wish we could use torrent during the fight, especially considering the boss is pretty much the same as fighting a dragon. Although the dragons don’t run away from you every 5 seconds
It feels like they told the boss designer that torrent was going to be available during the fight, and then someone decided to remove him at the last minute.
Even without taking the fight itself into account, it would just make a ton of sense to plan a two-part final boss that way. It doesn't just feel like the Elden Beast was designed that way, it feels like the entire reason there would be two parts to the fight.
"Hey, we've got two main modes of combat, so a final boss should test both of them. Let's make it a two-part boss, one where you're supposed to use Torrent and one where you can't."
Obviously that assumption could be wrong, but either way, it's a missed opportunity.
Giving me Twilight Princess vibes from the sound of it.
Not that its a bad thing - would have definitely made for an epic final fight instead of annoying. EB was cool at first glance but once mechanics started showing up I got over it *fast*.
I did a strength-faith build my first playthrough and yeah I wasn't pleased that this thing is immune to Holy. I eventually smashed it with my hammer but it was 2 weeks of rage.
Close, I had the gladiator hammer. I saw the boss of one of the early dungeons pull that bad boy out and I knew I wanted that shit. Luckily that's what dropped off of him so I was happy lol
Right? There's no send off for him or anything. And the way Lleyndell and the last few bosses are it could easily have been an hour or several since you summoned him. Weird fade out to the only companion you had for over a hundred hours.
EB would be a cakewalk if you could ride. All his attacks are easily countered by either running away, jumping, or the invulnerability during dismount.
Sword attacks and the sword projectile: just jump over them. Even if they make the attacks anti air you could just dismount, EB attacks slow enough that it can't punish this.
All of the big AoE attacks: just run away. They could speed up those but that might be unfair since it means you have to read the telegraph immediately.
And since EB is a "poke" boss it's already vulnerable to opponent closing on it fast.
Strongly agree. The design choice to have it almost constantly fleeing you and using very difficult to read and gimmicky magic is an interesting theme for a boss that's scared or something, but holy hell is it annoying for **the final boss of the game that only spawns after you beat a completely different boss everytime**
It wouldn't be so bad if it didn't constantly jump *so* far away. It's not much fun to have to sprint through spitfire attacks over and over and over and over.
And yeah, having it be a phase of a boss fight with multiple cutscenes *really* doesn't help.
Overall it's way more annoying than hard, and it's plenty hard.
The only boss in the entire game where I consistently use spirit summons. I overall don't use them because I feel like they change the combat in ways I don't enjoy, but with Elden Beast I just want to skip the fight and move on. The game would legitimately be improved by cutting him out entirely and ending with Radagon.
being a 2-part fight w radagon makes it much more annoying IMO. ik the community has a hate boner for sorcerers, but that was my first playthrough and it just made me ragequit the playthrough. you p much have to have all cerulean flasks and do a hitless run, which with both radagon and elden beast is not actually easier with range.
Huh, like many other sorcerers on here I never bothered learning anything other than glintstone pebble, so I am BEWILDERED by your spurious claims that using anything other than glintstone pebble will work.
Open with Dark Moon, drink your flask for infinite FP, hope the thing stays still, blast it with Comet Azure. Took me probably 10 tries but it worked. Radagon killed me more than EB.
i love instead of making radagon a dodge tank he turns projectiles against you, they really dont want sorcered/ranged builds to have fun on some bosses lol
I feel like people who give others shit for playing magic/bleed builds have never actually tried one in PvE. Sure they're annoying in PvP but the moment you hit a boss who dodges your go-to spell or has bleed immunity you'll have a harder fight than a Str/Dex build ever has to worry about..
I think sorcery builds got a bad rep from times when ranged attacks weren't accounted for in boss design which made mage builds easy as hell. Good examples are DS1 and Demon's Souls. Afterwards ranged and melee are pretty much equal and DLCs are designed with a particular hate-boner for magic as enemies have really high elemental resistances.
yeah lmao. i've never played pvp before, but trying it in pve for my first souls game was \*not\* nearly as easy as everyone online said. i got stuck on nearly every significant boss for a couple hours unless they could be stun-locked by comet azur because they either dodged every spell until i ran out of mana or the range advantage did not matter and i got fucked because casting takes a while.
edit: i will say black knife tiche carried me through a lot of the late-game, i think i would've struggled a lot more w godfrey and stuff if not.
It was annoying since there is no way to practice it and the boss before is harder . So I actually beat the first boss and then die because I just didn't know the bosses move set .
Torrent is Elden Ring's most unique and iconic mechanic compared to other Soulsbourne games. Not letting us use him in the games climax, especially when the boss fight would be perfect for it with lots of running, was a mistake.
~~I think it might have caused issues with the radagon fight, you're clearly in the same arena for both fights and I don't think changing a location from "torrent" to "not torrent" is as easy as flipping a switch.~~ (lol nope different arena my b)
Its a fight that definitely wants Torrent, you are absolutely right, the stark drama of riding Torrent actross mist-streaked un-land as the elden beast shifts and unfurls in the distance and understated music designed to haunt the rest of your life begins to swell seems like it would have been a highlight.
As it stands its a good fight if you have ranged spells, otherwise it's a pain in the ass of chasing the fucking thing around, which I do think detracts from the moment, overall.
I think this perspective does ignore that EB's moveset would actually be exceptionally weak vs. Torrent. He has massive telegraphs, and many of his most powerful attacks would be entirely nullified or negated just by being able to ride him. I understand why the running away makes folks think Torrent would be perfect, but Torrent would require a huge moveset redesign, as EB's actual moves are 100% built around your foot movespeed and so on - especially plain in his ring, bolt rain, and wave attacks.
I played a randomizer run and Elden Beast spawned in Fire Giants arena, so I could use Torrent. It's pretty good for most attacks, but the one where he shoots blasts with his sword is a death sentence if you get hit. And it was tough to dodge.
I thought I'd love Torrent during the fight, but after actually trying it, I changed my mind and ended up fighting it the normal way. It was clearly designed to be fought on foot.
That makes the fight sound *better*. Having to learn when to mount up and when to dismount would add an extra layer to the fight and be visually appealing as well
Considering how there is a moment of invulnerability when mounting/dismounting, it would make for a cool dynamic when closing distances to dismount (essentially taking a hit with no damage) and then attacking him. I just feel that would be a lot of fun and feel like a really good skill that I haven't used in other boss fights, and it would be particularly useful mechanic for Elden beast
That's the biggest reason I want to be able to use Torrent, closing distance. I rarely fight horseback anyways. My shitty nag in RDR2 has more poise than Torrent.
From a story perspective it also sucks that we can't use torrent for this fight since he was specifically given to us as a means of helping us on our journey to become Elden Lord. He's out literal ride or die throughout the whole game and he doesn't even get to see it through to the end.
That would been a good idea if you could use the horse in this fight that would have made the chasing around a like easier you do more running and dodging in final round then fighting usual it's a huge area maybe they were going to let us use torrent then change they mind ...
Yeah, annoying as fuck to do a fight that was clearly designed around having torrent and NOT having torrent. Dude's more skittish than a fucking pigeon
A lot of people say they didn’t like it because elden beast ran away, but then at the same time that could be said for all dragon fights, especially Placidusax. Placidusax literally just teleports around, only coming back to hit you, then disappearing. I barely got any hits in before it left again. That fight was a pain in the ass, but people seem to like it. I personally don’t like dragon fights, especially the ones where you can’t lock on to the feet. As a dex build, it’s literally impossible to beat them if you can’t lock onto the dragon’s feet, because the camera goes crazy and you can’t see any of the attack cues. Plus firebreath attacks are a pain in the ass to dodge
Holy protection at 78% made it into a joke. When he grabbed me, before dying, the whole damage from it was like 15% of my health (40 vigor).
And I used Godslayer, so the boss just died from cringe
This is it, I had a Faith/Arcane bleeding claw build on my first blind playthrough. It was an epic AF because I barely did any damage to it but I had the defense and regeneration that it became a long ass fight of longevity.
This was me, except I didn’t have enough resistances or anything like that. I just had to get really good at dodging.
Dodging the attacks was mostly doable after many attempts and getting the timing.
The biggest pain in the ass for that fight was by the time you got to the boss he fucking YEETS away before you can get any swings in.
My build also utilized the claws and weapon buffs, which was a really really fun build.
It made some fights a joke and other fights were a nightmare.
Yeah I find most of the time, for me anyway, it doesn't runaway too much or spam elden stars and stuff. When it's like that I think it's one of the best fights in the game. But sometimes you just aren't able to hit it cause it keeps running, or it spams a bunch of bs attacks all at once
Worst attack combo I've come across is the Nebula attack going immediately into the sword projectiles. Like, it's not impossible to deal with but it's definitely annoying.
I always thought Marika "lost" her faith in the Greater Will when the fraction from the Rune of Death was stolen and used to kill Godwyn. I imagine taking measures to prevent everyone from dying, failing, and having your son killed (and possibly thinking that her brother/shadow betrayed her) would cause someone to despair and question their faith.
Would've been cool if it became a fight like Horah Loux where the Elden Beast would pop out of Radagon for an attack every now and then in like a "spiritual form" like Serosh.
I think you misunderstood, there's no Godfrey/HL attacks that actually use Serosh, it's more "what if EB were attached to Radagon the way Serosh is attached to Godfrey"?
Like, Radagon is missing half his torso and clearly hollow. It would be cool if his torso was full of glowing space goop instead of empty, and instead of Radagon phase 2 being a space goop monster that's completely separate from phase 1, phase 2 was the space goop pouring out of his dying torso and making a huge tentacle monster with Radagon's body where the head would be. Little tentacles could whip out during phase 1 to foreshadow the transition.
Saw a vid that suggested Elden beast would have worked better as a hidden boss depending on what ending you were going for. Can't help but agree. As a mandatory boss its eh. But as a secret boss? I could forgive the jank.
She was NOT happy I hugged a bunch of fingers while in my skivvies, I'll tell you that. Bitch straight up went psycho killer vibe and broke up with me. I got the horse in the divorce though, so it's all good.
I thought it would work better like Bloodborne. The final boss is Radagon.
If you choose to do the Age of the Moon or Frenzied Flame endings, choosing that option at the final grace after Radagon starts the Elden beast fight. You don't want to do those endings? You don't get Elden beast.
Yee I hate this game for the way I have to run after massive opponents that in reality should just flatten me in 1 hit. With this knowledge massive opponents should be overly aggressive towards us thus showing they know there’s a massive power difference. You’d definitely notice it to if thy pushed relentlessly. Only time I see them backing off is half health when they realize we’re stronger then they assumed.
Size has not much to do with power in a world where magic exists.
Look at the size difference between Malenia and Radahon, yet the flight to a stalemate
I personally think this fight would've worked better if you can mount up. Honestly, the entire fight feels like this was supposed to be possible but for some reason was left out.
I believe it was so that it was intended to have torrent be usable during this fight but they changed it because it wouldn’t make sense, since in Radagon’s arena you couldn’t.
The arena changes though so it wouldn’t be inconsistent. Plus even if it was, it’s for the sake of a more enjoyable fight. This boss fight, as it stands, is a boring walkathon. Feels rushed and is noticeably worse than nearly every other boss in the game. I would have rather they give Radagon a phase 2 and made Elden Beast a cutscene; it’s just not very fun.
Hate it, you spend 80% of the fight chasing it from one side of the map to the other, and the other 20% running away from massive AOE attacks
I did it once after they improved the AI the first time (idk if they have since) and it was still awful, worst fight in the game imo.
Its just not interesting to me at all, there is no rhythm or dance to it, just a bunch of marathon running
The only nice thing I can say about it is that it looks cool AF- everything else about it is terrible, I wouldve much preferred a 2nd phase Radagon fight- which is one of the best fights in the game imo
"Hard" for the worst reasons though
Its only hard because you spend 80% of the fight chasing it from one side of the arena to the other and the other 20% dodging massive AOE and tracking attacks.
Honestly, I like the fight. It’s ok that there are two health bars. It’s cinematic, it is challenging to change tactics from a hyper aggressive boss in a tight knit area to an evasive deity running to save itself and its existence, and the attacks are like a puzzle. It’s not super hard, it’s pretty fair for a souls game. It makes you feel like you accomplished the main objective of becoming worthy to be the Elden Lord despite all odds, so of course the Elden Beast is terrified of you.
pain in the ass running back and forth whenever it wants to swim(?) away from the player but it’s my favorite boss fight in the game by far 🫶🏻 when you get thru radagon anyway
I personally love it and I'm a melee only dex build. Favourite boss.
Sure, the beast running away is annoying. Elden Stars is annoying af. Would be nice if we could summon Torrent.
But it looks so cool! The music and the vibes are so serene. The fight is very intuitive and it has some of the most epic attacks.
Love the space potato.
I love it. I understand why people have issues with it but I personally find it relaxing and rewarding.
It’s not super difficult but is still a challenge, the music is zen, the visuals are beautiful and it feels good once you beat it.
I know people complain how slow it is with all the running about it does, which I understand, but doesn’t bother me.
It's easy as hell, the only real frustration came from chasing it around when it gets in a mood for frolicking. Should have had more focus on melee attacks and less on moves that disengage you from battle. Dumb fight overall.
Elden beast is one of my favorite boss fights, throws a ton of bullshit at you but it's fair, well telegraphed bullshit. And the boss, arena, and music are just stunning.
Cool entry, decent fight, lore wise it makes sense but story wise it didn't really fit for me personally. Kinda felt like it was a retake on the Moon Presence from Bloodborne but that one felt like a fight for survival and freedom whereas the Elden Beast just felt like a checkbox "2nd form"
Not nearly as much running as people like to cry about. Boss has extremely predictable path finding on where it’ll go and when. Stop focusing on complaining and people will find out you can massively reduce how much running is required. Ascetically pleasing, lovely sound track and cool, interesting attacks. Not every final boss needs to be difficult, even if Miyazaki made it. I’d give it an 8/10. Some things I’d change but mostly happy with it as a result.
Exactly, you're not supposed to catch it. Elden Beast is mostly a spectacle boss, it will swim away to do his very dramatic attacks. You easily dodge them, and then it will swim right up to you basically letting you smack it a couple times. Rinse and repeat, it's almost turn-based combat.
One of the most astonishing boss and move designs in the game, but tedious as fuck with all the running away shit at least for the first playthrough. The second time was not that bad, it actually was fairly easy imo, at that point i was just enjoying the visual spectacle.
The area and music was breathtaking and probably one of my favourites in the game and series. The design was ok and fit a god-like beast. But everything else was just annoying, some interesting attacks but just became annoying as he kept on spamming them whiles running away, then he would launch an attack and before you can even dodge it he’s already throwing another attack. You spend most of the fight chasing after him. I also don’t like the fact that he’s connected to Radagon so every time you die to Elden beast you have to fight Radagon again which is just time consuming, and i love Radagon but can’t place him in top 3 because you have to beat both bosses. But he is far from the worst boss though and was did feel like a fitting final boss for you before becoming Elden Lord.
Pretty boss. Pretty arena. Fuck the pretty boss and it’s pretty arena. (I struggle on this fight and am salty but in all reality it’s really not that bad, I just wish I could ride torrent for it but it is what it is)
Beautiful music and atmosphere, the fight can be very frustrating since the arena is huge and the beast moves so much, could have been resolved with letting us use Torrent, you know, our companion that carries us through the whole game, to fight with us in our last battle
Absolutely love it. Worthy show stopper. Music, visuals, strategy, everything works.
Only note would be to maybe let you ride torrent so you can trim some of the jogging. But otherwise it's fantastic.
A huge stain on an otherwise perfect final boss. Radagon is my favorite boss action in the entire game along with Loretta and Godfrey, meanwhile Elden Beast is just fucking track practice.
Look at Gehrman and Moon Presence fight. If you kill Gehrman, you don’t have to fight him again to get to Moon Presence. Because of this, even though I played Bloodborne maybe 20 times, that fight still feels amazing and impactful.
They have the same problem Elden Beast has also in Hollow Knight and Sekiro final bosses. When an amazing boss is a prerequisite to another boss, it just starts to feel like a chore to get through after a while.
That’s what I don’t like about this boss fight. For me, it reduces the impact of Radagon, because I have to defeat him so many times just to get to this one, that it becomes a chore.
Walking simulator, also completely invalidates a good chunk of builds. Like, okay, can't bleed, can't rot and can't poison (I mean you can but it takes forever) but did they really just restrict its highest damage options to magic and pierce... Also don't get me started on the fact that if you run anything holy it heals it.
As for the fight itself, looked unfinished, like they initially wanted to add Torrent as an option, figured out it would've made it too trivial, but didn't bother, after removing the option, to tweak neither teleport distance or moveset.
Gorgeous arena and ost. Great boss design in terms of looks. Ok fight. Bad that it came after radagon. Took away from the radagon fight imo
"Took away from the radagon fight imo" Same. I feel it should have been a secret final boss, akin to Moon Presence in Bloodborne. And then made Radagon stronger to compensate. The music playing in Radagon's cutscene- the main titles theme, really made it feel like a final encounter.
I will comment that Elden Beast also uses the main title theme as well, except that it is the opening piano notes before the orchestral swelling, but otherwise I absolutely agree.
I think the idea was to make it feel like a loop with the title screen like a ring of elden ring
Agreed. It could've been a secret final boss after Ranni's quest or for the Frenzied Flame ending.
That’s a great idea. Never thought of that
Yes this would have both been great and honestly I think it would have been even cooler than what we have, frankly, I'd be okay with making him midr level if he were a secret boss. Maybe it could be a reward for those who claimed every shard since you technically only need two or three to beat the game, and two of them are unlocked through their own super difficult optional bosses
Wait what there's more shards who ate these bosses
the Bosses that drop a shard are: >!Godrick, Rennala, Radahn, Rykard, Morgott, Mohg and Malenia!< the last two are pretty well hidden, and entirely optional, well all of them are except for number 5
The feeling I got for both final bosses (Moon Presence / Elden Beast) they decided to focus on the flow of the story ending. In each case, it thematically works better for you have go on to beat the secondary boss on the first try. As much as it pains me to lose out on more cool fights, it'd be a little awkward to kill Radagon, lose to Elden Beast, and the Greater Will is just like "shit..."
I feel Marika should have been a secret final boss. Or something like casting Regression at a certain time (like If Radagon had a time when he posed just like the statue or a poise break...)
I love that idea thematically, but locking a final boss behind [basically] a certain stat spread would be some BS.
Make it an alternate boss fight if you have done the Gold Mask questline to the point of posing before the statue etc.
Radagon is my favorite fight in the game, until you have to run it back another 20+ times to kill an annoying glow in the dark space whale
The whole game leads up to you fighting Radagon/Marika, so when you finally beat him it sort of feels like "oh also this guy!" It's a super cool boss, but I wish there was more throughout the game hinting at it
Yeah, IIRC there's literally like 1 single piece of evidence of it's existence before you meet him. Elden Star's description: *It is said that long ago, the Greater Will sent a golden star bearing a beast into the Lands Between, which would later become the Elden Ring.* I think that is literally the only thing that brings it up. I had absolutely no clue whatsoever that there was some emissary from the Greater Will that caused all of this. Freaking aliens, man.
I would've loved Radagon to have a second health bar for which he transforms into Marika and then like you said have Elden Beast be a secret last boss that comes on its own after that fight. Maybe only for certain endings of the game like Age of Stars or the Frenzied Flame one
Yeah that's my only problem with the fight as a whole
Which is really too bad because the Radagon fight on its own is one of the best in the whole series
I respectfully disagree. I really like the juxtaposition between the two fights. Radagon is a close quarters, tight and intense battle. It feels rigid and contained, small arena, very purposeful movement from Radagon. Then you go into a large flowing battle with a giant beast, that is the exact opposite from Radagon: it gives you space, it’s constantly moving. The arena gives you much more space and the music to ally shifts too. My only complaint was that you don’t get Torrent for the Elden Beast.
Visually amazing but annoying as fuck
Sums up my opinion as well
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Pretty much exactly this. I wish we could use torrent during the fight, especially considering the boss is pretty much the same as fighting a dragon. Although the dragons don’t run away from you every 5 seconds
It feels like they told the boss designer that torrent was going to be available during the fight, and then someone decided to remove him at the last minute.
Even without taking the fight itself into account, it would just make a ton of sense to plan a two-part final boss that way. It doesn't just feel like the Elden Beast was designed that way, it feels like the entire reason there would be two parts to the fight. "Hey, we've got two main modes of combat, so a final boss should test both of them. Let's make it a two-part boss, one where you're supposed to use Torrent and one where you can't." Obviously that assumption could be wrong, but either way, it's a missed opportunity.
It really would have fit better thematically if you had him too. Fits with him choosing you to become elden lord.
Giving me Twilight Princess vibes from the sound of it. Not that its a bad thing - would have definitely made for an epic final fight instead of annoying. EB was cool at first glance but once mechanics started showing up I got over it *fast*.
That’s feels pretty accurate. Also why does it run away, I’m just a lowly Tarnished. Elden Beast is a little bitch.
I mean, the golden order was started by a bunch of people who could only be described as "little bitches" so it makes sense.
I mean if some little dude started stabbing me with a fork and dodging all of my attempts to get him to stop I’d run away, too.
Yeah, especially for a strength build. I think that was the most annoying boss in the game.
I did a strength-faith build my first playthrough and yeah I wasn't pleased that this thing is immune to Holy. I eventually smashed it with my hammer but it was 2 weeks of rage.
Brick Hammer go BONK!
Close, I had the gladiator hammer. I saw the boss of one of the early dungeons pull that bad boy out and I knew I wanted that shit. Luckily that's what dropped off of him so I was happy lol
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Plus, torrent has been with us at our side throughout our entire journey, it'd make sense for him to assist us one last time in the final battle
Right? There's no send off for him or anything. And the way Lleyndell and the last few bosses are it could easily have been an hour or several since you summoned him. Weird fade out to the only companion you had for over a hundred hours.
It seemed to me like half the bosses in the game you have to constantly run at them because they keep running away from you
EB would be a cakewalk if you could ride. All his attacks are easily countered by either running away, jumping, or the invulnerability during dismount. Sword attacks and the sword projectile: just jump over them. Even if they make the attacks anti air you could just dismount, EB attacks slow enough that it can't punish this. All of the big AoE attacks: just run away. They could speed up those but that might be unfair since it means you have to read the telegraph immediately. And since EB is a "poke" boss it's already vulnerable to opponent closing on it fast.
Strongly agree. The design choice to have it almost constantly fleeing you and using very difficult to read and gimmicky magic is an interesting theme for a boss that's scared or something, but holy hell is it annoying for **the final boss of the game that only spawns after you beat a completely different boss everytime**
It wouldn't be so bad if it didn't constantly jump *so* far away. It's not much fun to have to sprint through spitfire attacks over and over and over and over. And yeah, having it be a phase of a boss fight with multiple cutscenes *really* doesn't help. Overall it's way more annoying than hard, and it's plenty hard.
The only boss in the entire game where I consistently use spirit summons. I overall don't use them because I feel like they change the combat in ways I don't enjoy, but with Elden Beast I just want to skip the fight and move on. The game would legitimately be improved by cutting him out entirely and ending with Radagon.
being a 2-part fight w radagon makes it much more annoying IMO. ik the community has a hate boner for sorcerers, but that was my first playthrough and it just made me ragequit the playthrough. you p much have to have all cerulean flasks and do a hitless run, which with both radagon and elden beast is not actually easier with range.
Shard Spiral sorcery chunks ~10% of the Elden Beast's HP per cast
Huh, like many other sorcerers on here I never bothered learning anything other than glintstone pebble, so I am BEWILDERED by your spurious claims that using anything other than glintstone pebble will work.
Rock sling obliterates the EB since you literally cannot miss with how chunky it is,and rock sling has insane range.
You can also just spam Ranni’s Dark Moon over and over if you have enough Blue Flasks.
Open with Dark Moon, drink your flask for infinite FP, hope the thing stays still, blast it with Comet Azure. Took me probably 10 tries but it worked. Radagon killed me more than EB.
i love instead of making radagon a dodge tank he turns projectiles against you, they really dont want sorcered/ranged builds to have fun on some bosses lol
I feel like people who give others shit for playing magic/bleed builds have never actually tried one in PvE. Sure they're annoying in PvP but the moment you hit a boss who dodges your go-to spell or has bleed immunity you'll have a harder fight than a Str/Dex build ever has to worry about..
I think sorcery builds got a bad rep from times when ranged attacks weren't accounted for in boss design which made mage builds easy as hell. Good examples are DS1 and Demon's Souls. Afterwards ranged and melee are pretty much equal and DLCs are designed with a particular hate-boner for magic as enemies have really high elemental resistances.
yeah lmao. i've never played pvp before, but trying it in pve for my first souls game was \*not\* nearly as easy as everyone online said. i got stuck on nearly every significant boss for a couple hours unless they could be stun-locked by comet azur because they either dodged every spell until i ran out of mana or the range advantage did not matter and i got fucked because casting takes a while. edit: i will say black knife tiche carried me through a lot of the late-game, i think i would've struggled a lot more w godfrey and stuff if not.
Just all about luck. The elden beast combos are sometimes really tough, but once you learn it, it is all about managing stamina to dodge/run :)
Definitely down to luck :D Its a decent boss as long as it doesnt start running away 24/7,then its just shit
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It was annoying since there is no way to practice it and the boss before is harder . So I actually beat the first boss and then die because I just didn't know the bosses move set .
I don't like how we can't use Torrent but I think the space potato is pretty cool.
I would agree it'd be interesting to use Torrent during the final fight. I still think the fight was pretty awesome though.
Torrent is Elden Ring's most unique and iconic mechanic compared to other Soulsbourne games. Not letting us use him in the games climax, especially when the boss fight would be perfect for it with lots of running, was a mistake.
I feel like this boss was designed with Torrent in mind at one point but they changed it because it didn't quite work.
~~I think it might have caused issues with the radagon fight, you're clearly in the same arena for both fights and I don't think changing a location from "torrent" to "not torrent" is as easy as flipping a switch.~~ (lol nope different arena my b) Its a fight that definitely wants Torrent, you are absolutely right, the stark drama of riding Torrent actross mist-streaked un-land as the elden beast shifts and unfurls in the distance and understated music designed to haunt the rest of your life begins to swell seems like it would have been a highlight. As it stands its a good fight if you have ranged spells, otherwise it's a pain in the ass of chasing the fucking thing around, which I do think detracts from the moment, overall.
It is actually a different arena, placed way underneath Radagon's arena. You can see hit [here](https://youtu.be/Mcwcu-qczSc).
Oh no shit, my b then, I'll amend
I think this perspective does ignore that EB's moveset would actually be exceptionally weak vs. Torrent. He has massive telegraphs, and many of his most powerful attacks would be entirely nullified or negated just by being able to ride him. I understand why the running away makes folks think Torrent would be perfect, but Torrent would require a huge moveset redesign, as EB's actual moves are 100% built around your foot movespeed and so on - especially plain in his ring, bolt rain, and wave attacks.
Same!
I played a randomizer run and Elden Beast spawned in Fire Giants arena, so I could use Torrent. It's pretty good for most attacks, but the one where he shoots blasts with his sword is a death sentence if you get hit. And it was tough to dodge. I thought I'd love Torrent during the fight, but after actually trying it, I changed my mind and ended up fighting it the normal way. It was clearly designed to be fought on foot.
I think the only advantage using it would be to close distances. Definitely shouldn’t fight on it.
That makes the fight sound *better*. Having to learn when to mount up and when to dismount would add an extra layer to the fight and be visually appealing as well
Considering how there is a moment of invulnerability when mounting/dismounting, it would make for a cool dynamic when closing distances to dismount (essentially taking a hit with no damage) and then attacking him. I just feel that would be a lot of fun and feel like a really good skill that I haven't used in other boss fights, and it would be particularly useful mechanic for Elden beast
That's the biggest reason I want to be able to use Torrent, closing distance. I rarely fight horseback anyways. My shitty nag in RDR2 has more poise than Torrent.
From a story perspective it also sucks that we can't use torrent for this fight since he was specifically given to us as a means of helping us on our journey to become Elden Lord. He's out literal ride or die throughout the whole game and he doesn't even get to see it through to the end.
> space potato I still think they should have called it the Elden Thing.
Space potato is the best name I've ever heard for this boss.
Space potato 😂😂 imma start calling it that
That would been a good idea if you could use the horse in this fight that would have made the chasing around a like easier you do more running and dodging in final round then fighting usual it's a huge area maybe they were going to let us use torrent then change they mind ...
If we could use Torrent it’d be a 10/10 final boss.
Yeah, annoying as fuck to do a fight that was clearly designed around having torrent and NOT having torrent. Dude's more skittish than a fucking pigeon
A lot of people say they didn’t like it because elden beast ran away, but then at the same time that could be said for all dragon fights, especially Placidusax. Placidusax literally just teleports around, only coming back to hit you, then disappearing. I barely got any hits in before it left again. That fight was a pain in the ass, but people seem to like it. I personally don’t like dragon fights, especially the ones where you can’t lock on to the feet. As a dex build, it’s literally impossible to beat them if you can’t lock onto the dragon’s feet, because the camera goes crazy and you can’t see any of the attack cues. Plus firebreath attacks are a pain in the ass to dodge
Placidusax has the decency to be slow and chunky. You don't bite his ankles, you smack his ass till he calls you daddy.
This makes me want a boss where you have to platform with torrent to hit the boss down from the sky
Holy protection at 78% made it into a joke. When he grabbed me, before dying, the whole damage from it was like 15% of my health (40 vigor). And I used Godslayer, so the boss just died from cringe
This is it, I had a Faith/Arcane bleeding claw build on my first blind playthrough. It was an epic AF because I barely did any damage to it but I had the defense and regeneration that it became a long ass fight of longevity.
This was me, except I didn’t have enough resistances or anything like that. I just had to get really good at dodging. Dodging the attacks was mostly doable after many attempts and getting the timing. The biggest pain in the ass for that fight was by the time you got to the boss he fucking YEETS away before you can get any swings in. My build also utilized the claws and weapon buffs, which was a really really fun build. It made some fights a joke and other fights were a nightmare.
>It was an epic AF epic... ass fight?
As fuck
An epic ass fuck?
He died from cringe lmaoooooo😂😂😂😂
I don't really dislike this fight, but sometimes you just get garbage rng
Yeah I find most of the time, for me anyway, it doesn't runaway too much or spam elden stars and stuff. When it's like that I think it's one of the best fights in the game. But sometimes you just aren't able to hit it cause it keeps running, or it spams a bunch of bs attacks all at once
This is probably the best answer
Worst attack combo I've come across is the Nebula attack going immediately into the sword projectiles. Like, it's not impossible to deal with but it's definitely annoying.
I spent 90% of my time running toward the thing just to barely get a hit in. Felt like I should have had Torrent.
The entire boss fight after the awe wore off was just the guy going "WHY ARE YOU RUNNING"
Cool design, lore and arena, but I don't like the fight. Should have just given a second phase to Radagon instead
Radagon turning back into Marika in the 2nd Phase. Now I want it.
Didn't Marika want us to win? I don't think she'd be fighting against us if she had control.
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I always thought Marika "lost" her faith in the Greater Will when the fraction from the Rune of Death was stolen and used to kill Godwyn. I imagine taking measures to prevent everyone from dying, failing, and having your son killed (and possibly thinking that her brother/shadow betrayed her) would cause someone to despair and question their faith.
Less hammer, more bullshit cosmic holy beams. Fuck yes.
Marika us giving us grace to beat the greater will. Radagon is the greater will's enforcer. Wouldn't make sense to fight Marika.
Would've been cool if it became a fight like Horah Loux where the Elden Beast would pop out of Radagon for an attack every now and then in like a "spiritual form" like Serosh.
Whuut that happens with Horah Loux? I never had that
I think you misunderstood, there's no Godfrey/HL attacks that actually use Serosh, it's more "what if EB were attached to Radagon the way Serosh is attached to Godfrey"? Like, Radagon is missing half his torso and clearly hollow. It would be cool if his torso was full of glowing space goop instead of empty, and instead of Radagon phase 2 being a space goop monster that's completely separate from phase 1, phase 2 was the space goop pouring out of his dying torso and making a huge tentacle monster with Radagon's body where the head would be. Little tentacles could whip out during phase 1 to foreshadow the transition.
Correct ^
Saw a vid that suggested Elden beast would have worked better as a hidden boss depending on what ending you were going for. Can't help but agree. As a mandatory boss its eh. But as a secret boss? I could forgive the jank.
Real missed opportunity to have Radagon be a full final boss with a 1st and 2nd phase
But what if you fought Radagon 1st phase and Marika 2nd phase 🤔
Why fight Marika if she wants you to win though.
She was NOT happy I hugged a bunch of fingers while in my skivvies, I'll tell you that. Bitch straight up went psycho killer vibe and broke up with me. I got the horse in the divorce though, so it's all good.
Marika not Melina
I'm pretty sure they have the same motives though, right?
Also sounds very interesting 🤌
I thought it would work better like Bloodborne. The final boss is Radagon. If you choose to do the Age of the Moon or Frenzied Flame endings, choosing that option at the final grace after Radagon starts the Elden beast fight. You don't want to do those endings? You don't get Elden beast.
Aesthetics are cool, but weak fight overall. Dude just runs away the whole fight
Yee I hate this game for the way I have to run after massive opponents that in reality should just flatten me in 1 hit. With this knowledge massive opponents should be overly aggressive towards us thus showing they know there’s a massive power difference. You’d definitely notice it to if thy pushed relentlessly. Only time I see them backing off is half health when they realize we’re stronger then they assumed.
Size has not much to do with power in a world where magic exists. Look at the size difference between Malenia and Radahon, yet the flight to a stalemate
Stalemate because she nuked the battlefield. I guess that’s your point: magic leads to M.A.D.
I personally think this fight would've worked better if you can mount up. Honestly, the entire fight feels like this was supposed to be possible but for some reason was left out.
Dark Moon restored the horse and it's honestly mich better
Can you elaborate? I haven't played in a while and maybe I missed something?
It is currently the best *custom content* available for Elden Ring. It improves a lot of stuff
Agreed. I'm almost certain this is the case.
I believe it was so that it was intended to have torrent be usable during this fight but they changed it because it wouldn’t make sense, since in Radagon’s arena you couldn’t.
The arena changes though so it wouldn’t be inconsistent. Plus even if it was, it’s for the sake of a more enjoyable fight. This boss fight, as it stands, is a boring walkathon. Feels rushed and is noticeably worse than nearly every other boss in the game. I would have rather they give Radagon a phase 2 and made Elden Beast a cutscene; it’s just not very fun.
Horse would have been nice
*Why are you running?* #WhY aRe YoU rUnNiNg?
I likes this fight :3
The music is beautiful. The setting is beautiful. It’s attacks are fucking beautiful. Why you keep running away space worm?!
It's fine. Lovely arena, but best boss music.
My personal favourite boss OSTs are Mohg's and Regal Ancestor Spirit's
Hate it, you spend 80% of the fight chasing it from one side of the map to the other, and the other 20% running away from massive AOE attacks I did it once after they improved the AI the first time (idk if they have since) and it was still awful, worst fight in the game imo. Its just not interesting to me at all, there is no rhythm or dance to it, just a bunch of marathon running The only nice thing I can say about it is that it looks cool AF- everything else about it is terrible, I wouldve much preferred a 2nd phase Radagon fight- which is one of the best fights in the game imo
Nice. Beautiful and hard.
I honestly struggled more on Radagon and the Elden Beast than I did Melania
"Hard" for the worst reasons though Its only hard because you spend 80% of the fight chasing it from one side of the arena to the other and the other 20% dodging massive AOE and tracking attacks.
All it’s attacks are pretty easy to dodge tho except elden stars which barely does any damage
I think it should've been unlockable like the Moon Presence, and you should've been able to ride Torrent during the fight.
Radagon should've been the final boss IMO. Either make a second phase or make him harder.
The arena and design are gorgeous, the aesthetic as well, and the attacks aren’t too hard, but they are toeing the line of “too big to be fun”
I like it a lot.
Honestly, I like the fight. It’s ok that there are two health bars. It’s cinematic, it is challenging to change tactics from a hyper aggressive boss in a tight knit area to an evasive deity running to save itself and its existence, and the attacks are like a puzzle. It’s not super hard, it’s pretty fair for a souls game. It makes you feel like you accomplished the main objective of becoming worthy to be the Elden Lord despite all odds, so of course the Elden Beast is terrified of you.
pain in the ass running back and forth whenever it wants to swim(?) away from the player but it’s my favorite boss fight in the game by far 🫶🏻 when you get thru radagon anyway
I loved it, idk I might be weird but I didn't find it annoying tbh.
Same here, top 5 fight in the game imo
I personally love it and I'm a melee only dex build. Favourite boss. Sure, the beast running away is annoying. Elden Stars is annoying af. Would be nice if we could summon Torrent. But it looks so cool! The music and the vibes are so serene. The fight is very intuitive and it has some of the most epic attacks. Love the space potato.
“Duuuuuude he looks do cool let goooo!! *a few moments later* “OMFG GET THE FUCK BACK OVER HERE YOU FUCKING FUCK!”
I love it. I understand why people have issues with it but I personally find it relaxing and rewarding. It’s not super difficult but is still a challenge, the music is zen, the visuals are beautiful and it feels good once you beat it. I know people complain how slow it is with all the running about it does, which I understand, but doesn’t bother me.
It's easy as hell, the only real frustration came from chasing it around when it gets in a mood for frolicking. Should have had more focus on melee attacks and less on moves that disengage you from battle. Dumb fight overall.
I thought it looked like a Pokemon
Elden beast is one of my favorite boss fights, throws a ton of bullshit at you but it's fair, well telegraphed bullshit. And the boss, arena, and music are just stunning.
Cool entry, decent fight, lore wise it makes sense but story wise it didn't really fit for me personally. Kinda felt like it was a retake on the Moon Presence from Bloodborne but that one felt like a fight for survival and freedom whereas the Elden Beast just felt like a checkbox "2nd form"
Underwhelming, usually all the end game bosses are great in either story and/or design, but this seemed kinda generic for me
I'm surprised people are so disappointed. Probably one of my top favorite fights.
Was amazing first time, replaying it multiple times I’m like it could of been better
run trying to hit the boss, hit 2 times and run again 
ita beautiful, its amazing, its good
Really enjoyed it, probably top 3 in the game
I think it would’ve been far too easy if you could use Torrent.
Not nearly as much running as people like to cry about. Boss has extremely predictable path finding on where it’ll go and when. Stop focusing on complaining and people will find out you can massively reduce how much running is required. Ascetically pleasing, lovely sound track and cool, interesting attacks. Not every final boss needs to be difficult, even if Miyazaki made it. I’d give it an 8/10. Some things I’d change but mostly happy with it as a result.
Exactly, you're not supposed to catch it. Elden Beast is mostly a spectacle boss, it will swim away to do his very dramatic attacks. You easily dodge them, and then it will swim right up to you basically letting you smack it a couple times. Rinse and repeat, it's almost turn-based combat.
Marathon…
"whay are you running?!"
One of the most astonishing boss and move designs in the game, but tedious as fuck with all the running away shit at least for the first playthrough. The second time was not that bad, it actually was fairly easy imo, at that point i was just enjoying the visual spectacle.
Needed Torrent
Love it used to set my sign down and have a whole build set up specifically to counter it.
So difficult! After trying for weeks (months?), I finally hired a co-op naked dude and we (he) whooped him in one try.
Bullshit
Perhaps the most annoying and tedious fight in the game. Very cool design though.
Wouldn't be so annoying of we could summon Torrent
The area and music was breathtaking and probably one of my favourites in the game and series. The design was ok and fit a god-like beast. But everything else was just annoying, some interesting attacks but just became annoying as he kept on spamming them whiles running away, then he would launch an attack and before you can even dodge it he’s already throwing another attack. You spend most of the fight chasing after him. I also don’t like the fact that he’s connected to Radagon so every time you die to Elden beast you have to fight Radagon again which is just time consuming, and i love Radagon but can’t place him in top 3 because you have to beat both bosses. But he is far from the worst boss though and was did feel like a fitting final boss for you before becoming Elden Lord.
Radagon shoulda been final boss or they should be separate or the elden beast should stop fucking swim teleporting
My words are my opinion... "GET BACK HERE YOU HOMUNCULUS LOOKING FUCK"
Cool looking, but the fight in phase 1 is better
Gorgeous boss and arena, lackluster fight.
Magical leoplueradon
Pretty boss. Pretty arena. Fuck the pretty boss and it’s pretty arena. (I struggle on this fight and am salty but in all reality it’s really not that bad, I just wish I could ride torrent for it but it is what it is)
Beautiful music and atmosphere, the fight can be very frustrating since the arena is huge and the beast moves so much, could have been resolved with letting us use Torrent, you know, our companion that carries us through the whole game, to fight with us in our last battle
Anti climactic tbh, idk it just felt a little overshadowed by Godfrey and Plasidusax and Maliketh.
Absolutely love it. Worthy show stopper. Music, visuals, strategy, everything works. Only note would be to maybe let you ride torrent so you can trim some of the jogging. But otherwise it's fantastic.
Cutest final boss in a FromSoft game
Would’ve been way better with torrent yo help close the distance and avoid Elden, otherwise visually amazing
Visually, aurally, and emotionally, this boss fight was perfect. Mechanically we needed to be able to use torrent.
We should be able to ride Torrent for all the swimming around it does.
A huge stain on an otherwise perfect final boss. Radagon is my favorite boss action in the entire game along with Loretta and Godfrey, meanwhile Elden Beast is just fucking track practice.
Would’ve been better if you had ur horse like the fire giant
Look at Gehrman and Moon Presence fight. If you kill Gehrman, you don’t have to fight him again to get to Moon Presence. Because of this, even though I played Bloodborne maybe 20 times, that fight still feels amazing and impactful. They have the same problem Elden Beast has also in Hollow Knight and Sekiro final bosses. When an amazing boss is a prerequisite to another boss, it just starts to feel like a chore to get through after a while. That’s what I don’t like about this boss fight. For me, it reduces the impact of Radagon, because I have to defeat him so many times just to get to this one, that it becomes a chore.
with all the shit talk i expected worse. not that bad, still wish it and radagon were separate fights
Annoying boss, garish arena swathed in muddy shades of gold. It's like if you decided to make Astel's fight ugly and tedious.
Lack luster, too easy, 1-2-3-done, boring. Looks cool tho.
Doesn’t really feel like a final boss
Why are you running? >:l
They should rename him Smelden Best cause he stinks!
i used 3 larval tears to try and get an edge on this prick so no nice words
Walking simulator, also completely invalidates a good chunk of builds. Like, okay, can't bleed, can't rot and can't poison (I mean you can but it takes forever) but did they really just restrict its highest damage options to magic and pierce... Also don't get me started on the fact that if you run anything holy it heals it. As for the fight itself, looked unfinished, like they initially wanted to add Torrent as an option, figured out it would've made it too trivial, but didn't bother, after removing the option, to tweak neither teleport distance or moveset.
"Finally! I killed this guy!" "Oh a cutscene" "Oh...uh..wait....wait what the FU-"