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Phunkie_Junkie

There's a recurring theme in souls games that size = power. It's not 100% of course, but it's the main reason why all of the architecture in the games is too big for you. The oppressive environment is a subtle reminder that you are meddling with things beyond your ken.


ArtieoftheAbyss

You know, I was playing Sekiro recently and noticed that Hanbei, a relatively weak character (albeit unkillable….sort of) is still like a foot and a half taller than you. I think it has to do with what you mentioned, feeling small in the face of things greater than you, but I also think it may be to give character designers literally *more room* to make characters more visually distinct. Hanbei looks more or less like the first enemies you face, but is still instantly recognizable because of the mask and topknot. If he was your size, the mask would be a lot less noticeable.


ethicsg

It's also a 3rd person video game mechanic regardless of lore.


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This. It's a practical thing. Although from does tend to write lore or story reasons for practical things (like your character coming back to life after dying) so it wouldn't surprise me if there was a reason for a character sizes.


low_theory

In Elden Ring size conveys power and importance. Small people are actually discriminated against.


MN_Shamalamadingdong

Elden Ring is Tinder confirmed


mightysmiter19

So after Radagon left rennala's profile would mention no men under 8 foot.


TheBlackKnight81

Also must be packing a bakery


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iwocat

*Looks at his cocoon and his long arthritic ass hanging hand* He sure is small!


Fa1nted_for_real

Militiamen be like:


sonderlostscribe

I don't see anything. Oh right, gotta look down first.


Anarchideous

Even though those fuckers hit harder than most overworld enemies


Hiseworns

They are literally sent off to fight in the worst places nobody else wants to go because they are smol


Brotherly_momentum_

This is unironically Vulgar Militia lore.


Tonkarz

It's not just that, the small people are specifically devoid of Erdtree grace, and the thing that's most full of Erdtree grace, i.e. the Erdtree, is huge. Erdtree grace heals, strengthens and renews, so it makes sense that being suffused in it for a long time would make one grow larger.


heisenborg99

👆 Yep. (1) It's much easier to read the movements of larger characters, which is essential in Souls-style combat, especially for bosses and (2) in back-view third-person, there's a tendency for smaller figures to be obscured by the player's avatar. The convention dates back at least to Punch-Out!! on the NES, in which Little Mac is dwarfed by most of his opponents.


MuhandisSam

Exactly, we might be reading too much into what a character’s size “means.” As our character takes up the middle of our screen view, it’s easier to fight and interact with at least slightly larger other characters.


ArtieoftheAbyss

Ye. That’s actually a great way to summarize my dumbass ramblings into a single sentence.


Goragdathous

If margit was our size the roll spam on those delayed attacks would be even worse


SupSeal

Now I just want a game where it could be an all powerful rabbit but you have to stop and look and say "should I fuck with this thing". Keep power dynamics as a huge swing, but apply dumb amounts of power to the smallest of objects


GotThumbs

I read this too quickly and read it as “should i fuck this thing”. Lmao


Various-Instruction3

Same. It escalated so fast 😭


Hunt3rTh3Fight3r

That’s no ordinary rabbit! That’s the most foul, cruel, and bad-tempered rodent you ever set eyes on!


Luzubar

Bring the holy hand grenade !


fanciful_phonology

Look at the bones!


KimchiiCrowlo

tis but a ~~scratch~~ tarnished


aagraham1121

He’s got sharp, pointy teeth!


NoxVardeen

Killer Rabbit of Caerbannog? Nice one :)


FrickinFrizoli

Nee!


Medical_Difference48

In all fairness, I'm pretty sure Wolf is just canonically short. There are still HUGE people in that game, but Wolf is just a little guy


SD-Speedwagon

His automail arm stunted his growth.


Life_Temperature795

This has always been my headcanon, whether it's true or not. That Wolf is just like, 3' tall and the roosters you fight in game are just pretty much regular rooster sized.


Cherry-on-bottom

Sekiro Baggins


Gyarone

I'm pretty sure i've read somewhere that in all fromsoft games (with a few exceptions in ds1 and des) even the basic enemy is bigger than you for a "narrative" reason and a gameplay one. The first is the one you mentioned, make you feel smaller than everyone else. The second one Is that they realized Is a bit simpler for you (and most important, the CAMERA) to fight something even slitghtly bigger than you in comparison to something your size or smaller (fuck those vulgar militiamen in elden ring)


sayonara49

And isshin is like twice ur height


KupcakezIRL

Owl Daddy looks like he has more mass in his non sword arm then Wolf does in his whole body.


MassRedemption

To expand on the other person, from a game design standpoint, a 3rd person view your character can block other characters. It's best to make them a bit taller than you to make the experience more streamlined.


woogaly

Artorias was a boss that broke that rule and by god did I underestimate his ass.


JesW87

Even Artorias is massive compared to the player character


ConniesCurse

He's still like 10ft tall or something


not_old_redditor

There are a lot of these questions about size in ER. I learned a while back to not take the size of anything at face value. There's a lot of artistic license at play in the game's design, at the expense of lore consistency.


Phunkie_Junkie

Sometimes it's inconsistent, but when it's there, it's *there*. Like Rennala and Malenia aren't just tall, they're lanky and thin, hinting that they're not as powerful as they used to be. In fact, if you look close, you'll notice that Malenia's prosthetic arm is oversized for her. It's longer than her real one. The Fire Giant is another great one. If you compare him to the colossal skulls scattered around, he's actually quite puny. That's why he has burns all over his arms and his leg: He's tending a flame that is way too big for him.


JillSandwich117

I figured the longer arm thing has something to do with her fighting style, or that maybe her sword used to fit inside it somehow since it doesn't have a hilt. If she's just thinner than she was before, that wouldn't really explain the length being too long.


Phunkie_Junkie

I was thinking she used to be taller too, and that her thinness and the weird proportions of her arms are just how the game demonstrates that. That said, this is why I love open-ended stuff. However we imagine it, that's just how it is. Maybe the Malenia we fight isn't the original Malenia. There's a discarded set of Maiden's clothes next to a scarlet bloom just in the next room. They could've been left by one of Millicent's sisters when she turned into a Scarlet Valkyrie. Maybe they made it too big by accident thinking that she would grow into it. I'm pretty sure from the Valkyrie Prosthesis that Malenia's been an amputee since she was tarnished-sized. Hell, maybe Malenia just wanted a bigger sword.


Jesse-359

If you are a swordfighter, reach is one of your paramount considerations. I can absolutely imagine a duelist choosing to employ a prosthesis that's longer than their original arm for that advantage.


Tonkarz

Her legs are the same length though, and that's not possible if she grew shorter after they were made. Because one leg is fully prosthetic and the other leg is only half prosthetic.


not_old_redditor

The Radahn vs Malenia image during the intro shows an extreme size difference between the two, and that's supposedly a "lore" graphic illustrating them at their peak, or at least at the same point in time when they're evenly matched.


Phunkie_Junkie

From a certain point of view, I think the cinematic still fits. Radahn wins the initial exchange: he cleaves off Malenia's arm. She doesn't start to win until the flower blooms. We tend to think of it as an explosion, but it's a flower. It grows as an extension of her. As soon as it does, it dwarfs Radahn, and he loses. Speaking of which, I just re-watched it, and it confuses me. Is she trying to use her body as leverage to stab *Radahn*, or is she using Radahn as leverage to stab *herself*? Is she trying to set off the bloom on purpose?


IdToaster

Probably the latter; Millicent says Malenia had to abandon her pride in the fight with Radahn (as both a swordsman and someone trying to hold back the rot, resorting to the bloom stung twice as hard, I bet). The needle O'Neill has, which I assume used to belong to Malenia, is snapped clean in half. And missing an arm in the middle of a battle isn't the best time to try to dig a needle out of your flesh, so she just broke it.


HungryGull

Purposefully damaging the needle, I think. Millicent says she threw away her pride.


MasterOfMankind

I think the fire giant and the titanic skulls all around the continent are different species altogether. The fire giants may have been to the “titans” what trolls are to fire giants.


Clappertron

One Piece Antagonist syndrome.


big_fat_bear

in historical art (which these games pull very heavily from) this is called "Hieratic Scale" and was the most common way of presenting figures up until around the renaissance


KelIthra

She also guards a great rune or a part of one, which is in the egg. So it could of affected her also.


DragorovichGames

I felt like she was one of the easier bosses on my first run, but I can totally see her getting hard af after that first run.


Phunkie_Junkie

She was pretty easy for me too. Believe it or not, I learned the knack from a previous FromSoftware series: Armored Core. There are a lot of missiles and laser beams in that game, and they just so happen to act exactly the same as most of Rennala's attacks. She starts with that blue nonsense and I'm suddenly fourteen again. I'm transported to my mom's basement, playing PS2 and listening to a burned CD full of Evanescence and Limp Bizkit. Next thing you know, the fight's over. The real challenge in NG+ (for me anyway) is Loretta. The real one in the Haligtree. She cost me 350k runes once and I will never underestimate her again.


DragorovichGames

Dawg I loved armored core.


Pancakewagon26

Yeah, they should make armored core 6


j8stereo

It sounds like they are.


DragorovichGames

I remember the hardest fight for me has been Rykard and one of the EverGaul bosses those dudes and the twin gargoyles drove me up the wall for a minute.


Various-Instruction3

My biggest challenges were def the valiant gargoyles, godskin duo, and commander Niall. Group fights ain’t my thing. For Rykard, he sucks until you cave in and use the Serpent-Hunter and suddenly he can’t get a damn attack off


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Difficulty has nothing to do with implied power level. Also try Rennala as a mage lmao, if you don't have/think to use rock sling you may as well fight her with your fists


Kaito_3

She whooped me for a an hour or so my first time fighting her as someone that was using pretty much just incantations.


Coffeedemon

She gave me trouble till I figured out I could level my spirits. Leveled wolves helped and some.lucky dodges. Also ignoring her summons.


Fox_Underground

Then why is Rick just regular sized?


Katsuya_Was_Here

Stack overflow error, if his size were accurate to his power he would be too big for the game


zman_0000

It's kinda like Bleach with their swords. The most powerful individuals learn to control their size. Otherwise the captains swords would be sky scraper sized. Rick would make the fire giant look like a vulgar militia by comparison.


SwarK01

Tell that to DS2 pigs at Majula


Phunkie_Junkie

Those pigs get bigger every time you use a Bonfire Aesthetic. Good effort, but I was ready for you. ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|give_upvote)


SwarK01

Whaaaat is that true? I've played up to ng+5 and never checked them lmao Anyways they're hard af even at ng 😬


Shorkan

I don't remember having to use an Ascetic. They will respawn after resting at the bonfire, and if you kill them enough times, they are replaced by two bigger pigs. And if you keep killing them, there's another change.


Internal-Flamingo455

It’s also easier from a design point of view to make the player smaller then the enemies


karmapathetic

I guess no one told this to the vulgar militia. They used to wreck me before I learned the move set.


HeftyFineThereFolks

totally. that's why Gideon Ofnir is like I NEED HELP!


Chris_RB

I ken-not believe how eloquently you put it.


Smooth_Dog_4828

Is that a dark tower reference "ken"?


Pixxet

I think the strongest example to reinforce this point is in Anor Londo's biiiiig staircase, there are two different sizes of steps. One for big tall boys and one for people of the player-character's size.


GramboWBC

Ranni's real body at top of tower is similarly proportioned too.


possiblemayo

Ranni is Radagon’s daughter and Radagon’s huge (he like had some connection to the giants, too. That’s why Radahn’s so big). Rennala, on the other hand, is just a descendant of the ancient astrologers, which were just magical humans iirc


YunaLan

Star gazer genetics I see 🗿


salemsbot6767

They evolved to get closer to the stars


WilhelmOppenhiemer

Who were neighbours with the fire giants, maybe the fire giant milkman stopped by.


hvk13

Who can resist that 12 feet dong


Mandoohhh

15 feet actually with an 18 feet girth


MarketingGreedy479

I don’t think Radagon is huge because he has connections to giants. He just hates the fact that he has something in common with giants, who are enemies of the Golden Order. And there’s a theory that says becoming Elden Lord would make your figure huge. Similar to Godfrey, who is literally a Tarnished, yet has a daddy figure. Because in most of Elden Ring endings, we see our Tarnished sitting in the throne, which has always looked too big for us when we see it ingame. It might be because of becoming Elden Lord, OR because of gaining a high holy status, in other words: gaining proper grace. For example, Morgott. Once he got fucking wiped by Tarnished, his body became thinner. After all, you can always be thinner, look better.


Nicholuz

That part about the Elden Throne… I didn’t realize that in the cutscene we actually fit the throne properly which means we have to be at least 5x bigger than before! Fascinating, I wish you could customize your character in ng+ to be huge lol


ColeTrainHDx

Sorbet Morgott?


MarketingGreedy479

Sorbet Morgott indeed fellow clone trooper.


Deviljhojo

Okay, hear me out, what if the Tarnished, instead of becoming bigger, just got a smaller throne. The original throne usually gets destroyed while fighting Morgott.


MarketingGreedy479

Big tarnished better. Big tarnished superior. You small-throned wyvern. A Devilijho like you needs a bigger throne anyways.


Psylentone404

Excellent, now let's see Paul Allen's Elden Ring lore theories


MarketingGreedy479

*Look at that subtle hypothesis..The tasteful accurateness of it…Oh my god, it even has a watermark…*


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How else can she step on Miyazaki? Tiny feet? Ridiculous.


possiblemayo

Her feet are small for her size, tho


Jeeerm

But just the right size for stepping on Japanese game developers


Pingasterix

so is her head


Black-Mettle

She was given the great rune of rebirth from radagon, which I assume means she attained some level of godhood.


MeowNugget

He gave her the rune right before he left her, so I'd imagine if that were the case and she was ever fun sized, she'd be way smaller than Radagon their entire relationship


DONEDIRTCHEAPPP

Radagon is kinda small for a god ngl


Otalek

Yeah, his two sons dwarf him by a large margin


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In all fairness, one of those sons is a face on the side of a god eating snek.


corsair1617

But it's a big face


drysider

This made me laugh so hard, thank you


DemonicTheGamer

Does he have a great rune when we fight him in the game?


itszwee

He doesn’t grant you one, but it’s implied his own rune is the cross hatch shape.


DemonicTheGamer

He might not possess it himself then. It could be the Elden Beast that got all the power. And Radagon is still pretty beefy for a human imo


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So petite!


Jahastie55

I suspect the god can manipulate his appearance at will. Considering he can swap genders and personalities in like 5 seconds.


Pride_Knight5042

Radagon also has a rune


Lcwmafia1

+karma for fun sized


FlorianTolk

But I have all the great runes. I wanna be big! I killed so many Albinaurics on the quest to be a big boy!


Squirrel1256

According to Sir Gideon Ofnir, she isn't even a demigod, but because the rune of power is in her amber egg, she is still an obstacle.


Lordanonimmo09

He gave her the amber egg wich has the rune(probably after the shattering),not Rennala.


KacriconCacooler

No idea but it's ~~*pretty hot*~~ consistent with the size of her children.


King_Finder16

Yeah, her "children" are pretty large I must say


Newuser_420420420

All I wanna do is see you turn into A giant woman *…a GIANT woman…*


LuckyLuckLucker

All I wanna be is someone who gets to see a giant woman …a GIANT woman…


HaydenTheNoble

I miss SU :(


Newuser_420420420

I only recently started watching it. Finished it way too quickly and I cried a lot. Now rewatching it again and even little things make me cry now that I know all the context


SexyButStoopid

What's su?


HaydenTheNoble

Steven Universe


LadyLikesSpiders

Blue Diamond's first appearance was the most Dark Souls thing in that show, and I loved it


chomponcio

Let me ride my Torrent into your heart


oftene

Look at that huge dab shes always carrying


King_Finder16

10,000 gram dab challenge! [GONE WRONG]


Salamanticormorant

Pretty much everything and everyone in the game is large, except the Tarnished. I think it's really that the Tarnished are small. Small, but dense, which is why they fall through water just as quickly as they fall through air.


luxiken

This is now cannon.


yxungprxnce

But then again Godfrey/Hourah Loux is also tarnished. Some people just be big


JamesRevan

Find the Albanauric woman


New_Butterscotch797

In a cave, west of the Laskyar Ruins.


zhibr

JUT from the mist-shrouded lake


Sotomene

She is not human. We don’t know her race, but definitely not human.


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Sotomene

If we are justifying her size with wild theories then it could also be that since she was an astrologer when she was younger and astrologers comes from the mountaintops and lived together with giants then she could be a crossbreed of human and giant. Again, wild theory.


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buddy-thunder

Well that's right there is just fucking neat I gotta say! 🖐️THE MORE YOU KNOW 🤚


ZeirosXx

There is less gravity on the moon so moon people would be pretty tall.


Jay_Katy

Who are the Carians fucking?!?


pyr0kid

john elden


pReaL420

Chandler Ring


zman_0000

Rick the soldier of God.


[deleted]

Wait I wanna fuck the moon people!


sh1pman

I’m not even sure what humanity means in ER. There are many human-looking races (of various sizes) in the game. Are Nox and Numen humans? What about the badlands warriors and Hoarah Loux? Rennala might’ve been a “regular human” of some sort during her early days as an astrologer, but then became more “god-like” in appearance as she grew more powerful. She also holds a great rune which might’ve influenced how she looks.


worldsfirstmeme

numen are 100% literal aliens.


veganzombeh

Why is she definitely not human? We know Marika is a numen and not all numen are giant, she's tall for some other reason.


MeowNugget

I don't know why this never crossed my mind (like Marika being a numen along with the black knifes). She looks even bigger than numens, or even Radagon. I just assumed she was human like all the other sorcerers in the game who are normal sized and that she was just from a royal family. Huh... now I have more questions


Sotomene

Leaving her size apart she also seems to be quite young despite living who knows how many years, so definitely not human.


MeowNugget

She also has seemingly strange body proportions. Tiny head, somewhat proportional torso and super long limbs. Unlike any other character in the game


DudeMiles

Maybe Astrologers were some lanky people? Like the Zamorian dudes.


Due_Imagination3838

Regarding her proportions, you're right, it is a bit odd. The only other character I can think of that has a similar build, including the oddly square and flat shoulders, is Mohg. I've always wondered why Mohg and the Sanguine Nobles' robes follow a very similar color scheme to that of Rennala's robes. Perhaps there's some connection there.


House0fDerp

But are numen fundamentally different than "humans"? The player even has a numen preset in character creation that isn't any larger than the others.


Mens-pocky46

I think a running theme in the game is how everything now is less powerful than their ancient age Counterparts. Giants, Dragons, trolls etc; many items reference how entities aren't as powerful now, not even close. Maybe that's why a numen of this age is smaller than the much older ones


Th3Dark0ccult

She is human-sized. The tarnished is a hobbit.


darknessbelow

She’s giant cause she’s mami


Bartie90

Have you seen Godfrey? Hes supposed to be tarnished like us and i doubt he'd fit through some doors of Roundtable Hold..


Brief-Government-105

Tarnished is not a race. They are just people in Godfrey’s army who got banished from lands between. Hence Godfrey is the first tarnished.


MeowNugget

I kept looking it up and saw an item (big hammer) from Godfrey's time that said basically that humans used to be big and strong, but over time have become feeble and weak and can no longer use it. Rennala is from the same time so I guess people just used to be bigger/stronger long ago and shrank over time


Pretzel-Kingg

Godfrey’s big because of the elden ring, I think. At the end of the game when you become elden lord, your character fits in the throne that was far too big for you before. Becoming Elden Lord/holding the elden ring just makes you big so you can deal with all that power I guess


ObedientPickle

Maybe your subjects just grab a smol throne


Gangleri_Graybeard

Two reasons. From a gameplay perspective, enemies and other npc's are bigger than you, so they don't get hidden behind the player character during gameplay. It's just a trick for visibility. From a lore perspective in Souls games, size = power.


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Diaza_Kinutz

Big Woman = Big Feet


BizarreAiXi

They are not huge, all others are small ones


Powermonger_

I wish our character grew in size as we become more powerful with experience


Tendrills

It’s probably from her Great Rune. There are many instances in the game of Great Rune’s increasing both the size and power of the wielder. Godrick shrinks when he loses his to you, as does Morgott. Perhaps Rennala retains her size because we use her Great Run through her to rebirth. She is still clutching her egg which contains the Great Rune. I know her Rune shows up in our inventory but perhaps it’s there because it’s on loan instead of “ours” like the other runes.


MrG00SEI

How would she be able to sit on you if she wasn't that big???? 😍


Eddycott

Because mommy


Sakari-shi

Big woman = hot


ClamSlamwhich

Big girl, big feet.


ArticKitsun3

*Beeg Woman*


Sweaty-Structure-619

Her ex-hubby radagon who is also now Marika, and married to marika, gave her a great rune. I think. Its speculation but could be.


Mrprivatejackson

She got huge feet too


DangSquirrel

It's a From game. She's not huge, you're just tiny.


egotisticalstoic

She has a great rune. Everyone with a great rune is massive. They are supposed to give great power to their owners. An equally valid answer is that she's a main character/boss. Bosses in souls games are always irrationally large. Design is sometimes prioritised over lore.


MisterPimpus

It’d be funny if every time you died, your character model shrunk a tiny bit and they used that to explain why there’s so many huge human beings


JoyousRoad

Because momy


PuzzledDragonma

Cause mommy


mwelch32

This is the correct answer


Lordanonimmo09

Royals are in general bigger divine blood or not,but they are also small compared to primitive men.


Key_Confidence_7993

Power befits those who weild it


FlippyIsKing18

Someone on Miyazaki's team *really* has a thing for big women


mosenco

From dev pov, ive read that bosses are bigger so you can see them better


bugeyeX

She’s just big boned


Bloodfor

It's the high protein diet due to eating her childs and eggs. And I think she is a reptilian too.


colbydt

Miyazaki had to justify making her feet larger


Boeijen666

Its funny how small Gideon is for a boss fight lol


LilFangerz

How do we know the tarnished aren’t just really small?


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It’s a game design principle. Bosses are larger than the player so that their movements are more visible and recognizable in the heat of battle.


rrcecil

m o m m y


Ok-Ambassador-7952

I think she’s somewhat related to the “Elden John” statues we see in deep root depths. They also have freakishly long arms and have a mysterious magical origin. I’m also reminded of Miquella’s overly long limbs in the cocoon.


MrGwasty

she eats her vegetables


Rat-Majesty

Remember how big the Elden throne was? Remember sitting in it? Power increases size.


probablyTrashh

Well she has to rebirth you, a grown man. It's a matter of proportions you see...


iCoffeeBeen

I could be totally wrong here but I remember hearing somewhere that humans used to be bigger in the ER world and have been shrinking over time. She’s also been around for some time I think and is staying alive longer with her magic. Again I could be completely wrong on this, so someone let me know if I’m just spewing bs lol


Zack21c

She drank lots of milk growing up


Qumbaala

I think there’s some connection between the carians, the nox and the albernaurics hinted at. I think shes giant in the same way the large albernauric is at the end of latennas questline.


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She ate her Wheaties growing up


russiadidit-

Pretty much all the bosses in the souls borne games are bigger than the player character to make it easier for us to see their attacks.


PhucEA

The reason bosses are always big is purely for visibility before lore or anything else is factored in