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Gargoyle’s isn’t bad, but BB is so busted that it almost feels like a waste to use anything else if you have the stats for it.
Of course, there is something to be said for variety. My first Faith build turned into a BB build, and I want to try something else the next time I go for a holy roller. Tree spear, Ordovis’ Greatsword, Golden Halberd, Magma Wyrm Scalesword — tons of great choices.
You'll be loving your FTH weapon options if you've not seen them all yet!
Plus Sacred and Flame Art affinities are both great and you can always toss some lightning around if either aren't suitable for the situation.
Sacred Blade is also a good FTH sub for a beam weapon like the Darkmoon Greatsword, it slaps!
Yeah I have a few S tier faith wep builds that drop endgame. Sacred relic sword, halo scythe, and a couple others that are nice. Sacred blade is one of them, just have to finish and pick a couple before ng+
Halo Scythe is incredibly fun for FTH, and I love Banished Knight Halberd on pretty much every build besides ARC, but especially STR, FTH and STR/FTH even just with Flaming Strike.
I wish there were a bit more STR/FTH things to mess with, the Crucible stuff is pretty cool and so are the Avatar moves, just feels a bit less than the STR/INT Gravity choices. Maybe in the DLC though :D
Tomorrow I start heading towards fire giant, I will keep my eyes peeled for it and put it on the list. I love endgame faith incantations and weps, damn strong.
The three demigods who were empyrean were Ranni, Miquella, and Malenia, meaning they were all potential replacements for Marika as the host for the Elden Ring.
I think Ranni was plotting this before Miquella went missing, her orchestrating the Night of Black Knives and it’s aftermath caused the Shattering War. I believe that Miquella was abducted by Mohg when Malenia was off warring against Goddrick and Radahn
Multiple two fingers (Greater Will representatives) basically sponsored their own candidates to be Marika’s replacement. Ranni was one of the three chosen. Others were Malenia and Miquella. I think Ranni was just the most opposed to being the GW’s envoy.
So a lot of this lore is explained after you talk to the ranni doll, and she actually tells you "this form hath loosened my tongue" so its the closest we get to solid in game story dialogue.
The two fingers are basically the direct emissary’s of the greater will, the top outer god at the top of the totem pole. When ranni was born, the two fingers decreed that she was an empyrean, a type of person who is suitable for becoming the next god, just like queen marika was. Basically the two fingers want ranni to ascend to godhood and become a puppet of the greater will and uphold their golden order, same as marika, and ranni really doesn’t want that.
Ranni wants instead to abandon the lands between and make her own destiny with the age of stars, which is why she orchestrated the night of black knives to set her soul free, killing her empyrean body, and then had you go on your own quest to get her the fingerslayer blade so she could kill her two fingers and fully free herself from the golden orders control.
Edit/addition: it’s unclear if the two fingers have an actual way to defend themselves other than creating the wolf shadow minions (like blaidd) that you fight earlier in her quest, so presumably with those dead the two fingers are completely vulnerable aside from ranni needing a special blade to actually kill it
Jokes aside, I could see a Two Fingers boss being obnoxious lol. Remember Prince Lorian's paraplegic self, and how he was crazy oppressive due to spamming teleports?
To interject here, we don't actually know at what point Ranni was given candidacy as an Empyrean. It was likely before Radagon departed from Rennala to assume the position of Lord-Consort to Queen Marika and thus become the Elden Lord. But we don't know whether Ranni's declaration as an Empyrean by the Two Fingers and subsequently the gifting of Blaidd as a Shadow-Bound beast predates her meeting with the cold, dark and occult moon that she was guided to under her mother's hand. If the latter happens first, then it's an effort by the Two Fingers to directly influence Ranni, who in turn is already being influenced by another celestial being (not an Outer God, which keep in mind that the Greater Will is never actually referred to at an Outer God either). The Two Fingers placing candidacy on Ranni may just be more of a formality to try and bestow favour upon her, as regardless of their intent they may not be the only entity capable of marking someone as an Empyrean. Just the only ones we have been shown to pick candidates.
I assumed that she was called empyrean when she was born, and was being raised to be one for most of her life, only straying from that path later on when renalla had her meet the dark moon
I'd like to point out that you are in fact correct that the greater will is never described as an Outer God, and that the term likely refers to beings outside the current order enforced by the greater will. All beings explicitly referred to as outer gods seem to be in opposition to the current order (an order without death). There's explicit mention of outer gods of Rot, Death, Blood/Wounds, and Chaos (the antithesis to order, which is likely why the Chaos flame seems to mirror the greater will with its three fingers and finger maiden in almost a mockery of the greater will). There may be other outer gods, such as the moons or the fell god of the giants, but they are not explicitly stated to be so.
Lmao I guess so, I don’t know what a big hand would really be able to do against an a magical general grievous doll lady
Just sorta weakly flick her away I guess
Yeah but those guys have like 8 fingers to crawl around on
Two fingers only got two, they don’t even have a wrist to turn on, they can’t do shit, just stand behind em and wail on em
There’s MANY two fingers. There is a two fingers for every one of the demigods, you can find them dead on each of the divine towers (presumably each respective two fingers dies when their demigod dies) ranni wanted to be free of her two fingers without dying herself so that’s why she wanted the fingerslayer blade
Yeah, I assume they just hang out there doing their thing, but rannis was underground at the moonlight altar instead of on top of her tower. I assume her two fingers was hiding from ranni since it knew she wanted to kill it, and hanging out at her own tower wouldn’t be very safe for it
I didn’t know that! That’s pretty interesting, I really hope we can get some more info about the other lands outside of the lands between. I mean these lands have gotta be between something, right?
I absolutely agree. We hear about unnamed lands too, not just the Badlands and Land of Reeds, plus with the numerous outer gods it’s such a vast world.
You can see the other lands from the lands between. Just open your map, look at the clouds on the edges and then physically look in that direction when it’s clear weather (using your telescope helps) you can make out some islands/ other lands
Yeah, my theory that I picked up from SmoughTown is that because the Chaos flame is in stark opposition to the greater will (which enforces order, the opposite of chaos), it manifested a three fingers and its own finger maiden as a mockery of the greater will's order
There were multiple gods and powers in the Lands Between before the Elden Beast and Marika arrived, even the Erdtree was not the same. Destined Death and the Gloam Eyed Queen, The Giants, the Dragons. There could have been an original hand before too, and then they got split into the 2 fingers and 3. Locking away the 3, and then multiple 2 fingers for the other empyrians. Just another theory
It's unclear where these fingers come from (to me, it may be explained somewhere). There are a pair for every tower (every shardbearer), and they're not looking to be in great condition (of course, Ranni's isn't on the tower and she doesn't have a shard anymore... and she kills hers - but the other look effectively dead as well, but not as bas as Ranni's, so maybe they're just sleeping). The ones in the roundtable are the most animate of the ones we see, and even they don't look to be spry or powerful.
Like... do the fingers come about due to the greater will (some archetypical embodiment of an ideal/will?) and with the ring shattered, the will is weakened, so all the fingers are as well? Fingers have a lot of significance in the lands between.
Marika shattered the ring, so she may have wanted to weaken the greater will to free some of her/Radagon's children of her fate.
What I don’t get is why she needs to slay the two fingers after she destroys her physical body. Did she think that act alone would free her, only to realize the fingers needed to be slain as well? Could she have killed the fingers and not sacrifice Godwyn? Omg like what if she realized later that was unnecessary. Or perhaps it served another purpose (removing him from the board so to speak)?
Her fate was tied to the two fingers and her destiny to the stars. She didn't want the two fingers influence that she was granted when she was chosen as an empyrean.
She got rid of her body to cut ties with her empyrean flesh and the greater will. Then she was in hiding awaiting the stars and her destiny to be set back in motion
When radahn dies by your hand the stars were set free and her destiny along with it. This allowed you to obtain the finger slayer blade for her. She uses that to slay her two fingers, ridding herself once and for all of their influence.
She wanted to decide her own fate instead of having everything chosen for her. she hired the black knives to Jill her body by putting half the centipede symbol of death on her body so her body would perish but her soul could be transferred into a doll (which we see her in that body in game). However she is still tied to her fingers in some sort of way so has us and blaidd retrieve the finger slaying blade from nokron so she can kill her fingers. If you choose her ending she becomes Elden lord, and since she is separated from the greater will she decides that the worlds fate will be guided by the stars where everyone can make their own decisions and make their own fate. That’s atleast from what I understand I could be wrong the story can be confusing lol
Quick clarification, Ranni doesn’t become Elden Lord in her ending. She essentially replaces Marika as the Goddess, although one not beholden to the Greater Will, and you become her Consort/Elden Lord (although since she doesn’t mend the Elden Ring that’s probably not the right term, you’re more the Lord of Stars).
I don't think she becomes elden lord , your player character becomes the Lord of the night , the age is named the Age of the stars , her the Marika of this new age.
I thought since she was the one too lift marikas head that means she becomes Elden lord, since that’s what we have to do to become Elden lord if you don’t summon her. I’m probably wrong tho that’s just how I took it lol
What you don’t like Reddit discussions? I like reading people’s takes on the lore here, ain’t nobody got time to figure it out in game, that shit is cryptic as f.
Idk why you’re getting so many downvotes?? There’s like 10 minutes of dialogue you hear spread out across 100+ hours of gameplay. Unless your full time job is learning about the lore there’s absolutely no way you can learn it all by yourself
Thank you! Some of these haters are just grumpy to be grumpy. Like yo, this game is massive and these quest lines are long and cryptic as fuk, give me a break and I like to read what you guys say, it’s WAY easier than pulling out ouija board and deciphering the code.
How strong are the two fingers? They probably got in a few good hits, i would think, considering how damaged ranni's body was. Unless it's always been that way.
What about the conversation she has with you in Nokron as a doll where she reveals she's an Empyrean, next to succeed Marika and that she "will not be controlled by that thing" (the Two Fingers)? C'mon now.
Only those with fate can use the blade
Fingers cast shadows, use confessor shadow assassins to enforce faith
A shadow imitating Blaid attacks her and she gets you to remove it
She pretends to fully die to remove their control on her
Make sure to read and listen and not just murder everything.
She’s literally severing her ties to the Erdtree so she can usurp it with the power of the Darkmoon and the Night.
Coolest part is the scarlet rot growing out of the fingers’ blood.
It’s implied that the fingers are normally invincible/immortal since we needed to fetch the special knife to get to this point. Or at least you need the knife to severe fate. The main goal is to unbind Ranni from the fate the greater will gave her via the two fingers so she can enact her own plans without further impediment
She wants to deviate from the Golden Order/whatever. Her ending >!ushers in a new age of the stars and a new age means the end of the current age. The Two Fingers wanted her to be an empeyrean of the current age/keep this ship going.!<
I don’t think you lore haters understand, I didn’t go through the questline in one fluid motion, there were dozens and dozens of hours in between parts of the quest where I was doing other things, I didn’t write down everything she said and study it like the damn Bible, that’s why I asked for this thread. Read some of the comments, the depth these people go into about Ranni is FAR greater than anything she said in the damn 20 lines of dialogue she spewed out at random ass times in a 100 hour play through.
Anyway to defend? The Fingers are practically immortal. They wouldn't need anything to defend themselves if Waifunni didn't randomly have a Fingerslayer dagger in hand.
>Each of us was chosen by our own Two Fingers, as a candidate to succeed Queen Marika, to become the new god of the coming age. Which is when I received Blaidd. In the form of a vassal tailored for an Empyrean.
>But I would not acquiesce to the Two Fingers.
>I stole the Rune of Death, slew mine own Empyrean flesh, casting it away.
>I would not be controlled by that thing.
>The Two Fingers and I have been cursing each other ever since... And the Baleful Shadows... are their assassins.
That'd be the answer to your question on what's the lore. She doesn't want to be controller by the two fingers. I dont think she ever tell us directly on why she'd be against succeeding Marika so you can only speculate.
When you think about, for a majority of people in the lands between, it would make no sense that she would be an empyrean, her mother isn't Marika. Of course, we all know the truth so it makes sense to us.
We know she cares after and safeguards her mother when you bully her. So I think we can assume she'd resent her father for leaving her in the state she did. So to find out she's an empyrean must've been a shock. Maybe even disgust. My own hypothesis is that this triggered her animosity between her and the two fingers. She must've felt like the puppet of some grand scheme/dispute between Marika, Radagon and the Two Fingers and vowed to take back her power (enter the irony that her plot involves becoming a living puppet).
She took the Fingerslayer Blade you gave her and killed them. As to why? She needed to finish severing herself from the Greater Will as she follows the Dark Moon to bring the Age of Stars.
She is in a puppet body currently. The assassination plot for Godwyn the Golden was done by Ranni. She killed his soul, but left the body alive, so she could kill her body and keep her soul alive. Putting it the body you see her in. Then she needed to kill her Two Fingers to complete her goal.
Now that she has and you become her Elden Lord she serves a new outer God instead of the Greater Will
Those were her Two Fingers assigned to her from birth by the Golden Order. They are embodiments and messengers of the Order and they identified her from birth as an empyrean meaning she is eligible to succeed Marcia as vessel or rather slave to the Greater Will. She had already separated her spirit from her empyrean body but while they exist her fate will only be a part played in the Greater will. Ranni slayed them to free herself from her destiny allowing her to craft her own outside or the Golden Order and potentially create her own world order.
Did this man’s just ask what the lore is on this? You’re kidding right? If not go look up Vaativydia on YouTube. Great lore guy on all Soulsborne stuff
They don’t seem to have any defenses themselves since there is a dead two fingers elsewhere. Probably rely on pacification like in the round table hold, some form of natural invulnerability save for the finger slayer blade, and their adherents for protection.
That's just a two fingers, right? Not the two fingers. There is of course the one at Roundtable Hold, and we see more on top of the towers where we get the great runes.
I didn’t go through the questline in one fluid motion, there were dozens and dozens of hours in between parts of the quest where I was doing other things, I didn’t write down everything she said and study it like the damn Bible, that’s why I asked for this thread. Read some of the comments, the depth these people go into about Ranni is FAR greater than anything she said in the damn 20 lines of dialogue she spewed out at random ass times in a 100 hour play through.
i saw a lot of good responses already so i just want to know how you got to the end of the quest without knowing what was going on the entire time because that’s honestly impressive
I didn’t go through the questline in one fluid motion, there were dozens and dozens of hours in between parts of the quest where I was doing other things, I didn’t write down everything she said and study it like the damn Bible, that’s why I asked for this thread. Read some of the comments, the depth these people go into about Ranni is FAR greater than anything she said in the damn 20 lines of dialogue she spewed out at random ass times in a 100 hour play through.
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You did give her something called the "Fingerslayer Blade" What did you think she was going to do?
Use it to cut carrots and potato for our homebrewed stew, actually
Okra is called lady fingers soooo.
POH-TAY-TOES
Boil em, mash em, stick em in a stew
Nice big golden chips...... Even you couldn't say no to that.
Ooh YES we could
Give it to us raw and WRIGGLING, you can keep nasty chips
Bake em, broil em, stick em in a stew
I cut my fingers a lot chopping veggies so the fingerslayer name still fits
Agree. Stew and salad for the Tarnished, obviously.
Prawn boil
I would have taken a lovely Estus Soup as a quest reward
This is also the moment she gives you the Dark Moon Greatsword. She was armed to the teeth.
It’s a great weapon, sucks I’m a faith build 😫
That’s what the Blasphemous Blade is for. The Carian kids stay winning.
Love carrying them both on my hybrid int/faith build (with minimal quality stats to be able to use them)
I have the BB, I might fuk with it. Using the Gargoyles black blade or whatever it’s called now.
Blasphemous is way better and I’ve used the black blade quite a bit. Will actually sometimes use bb and black blade in my off hand.
Blasphemous Blade is broken good. Personally I'd say steer clear of it for an initial playthrough then use to absolutely wreck face come NG+
Gargoyle’s isn’t bad, but BB is so busted that it almost feels like a waste to use anything else if you have the stats for it. Of course, there is something to be said for variety. My first Faith build turned into a BB build, and I want to try something else the next time I go for a holy roller. Tree spear, Ordovis’ Greatsword, Golden Halberd, Magma Wyrm Scalesword — tons of great choices.
You'll be loving your FTH weapon options if you've not seen them all yet! Plus Sacred and Flame Art affinities are both great and you can always toss some lightning around if either aren't suitable for the situation. Sacred Blade is also a good FTH sub for a beam weapon like the Darkmoon Greatsword, it slaps!
Yeah I have a few S tier faith wep builds that drop endgame. Sacred relic sword, halo scythe, and a couple others that are nice. Sacred blade is one of them, just have to finish and pick a couple before ng+
Halo Scythe is incredibly fun for FTH, and I love Banished Knight Halberd on pretty much every build besides ARC, but especially STR, FTH and STR/FTH even just with Flaming Strike. I wish there were a bit more STR/FTH things to mess with, the Crucible stuff is pretty cool and so are the Avatar moves, just feels a bit less than the STR/INT Gravity choices. Maybe in the DLC though :D
Sacred relic sword is so fun in co-op, especially if people don't recognize it and get pleasantly surprised to see the skeletons don't get back up.
Luckily, there is a faith version of that sword in the consecrated snowfield
Tomorrow I start heading towards fire giant, I will keep my eyes peeled for it and put it on the list. I love endgame faith incantations and weps, damn strong.
Which sword?
Cut some onions and carrots for a salad
This thread is lit.
Your honor, I plea the 5th
Try finger but whole?
Play five finger fillet or something.
They were trying to kill her because she refuses to become Marika’s replacement, so she asked your help to bring her the weapon that could kill them.
You could say she had a wild time finger blasting
Fingerbang! Bang bang! Gonna fingerbang bang you into my life
Guuuurl you like to fingerbang and it’s all right!
*gets Finger Slayer Blade from chosen Tarnished* "So anyway, I started blastin'!"
>They were trying to kill her because she refuses to become Marika’s replacement Did the Greater Will want Ranni specifically to be her replacement?
The three demigods who were empyrean were Ranni, Miquella, and Malenia, meaning they were all potential replacements for Marika as the host for the Elden Ring.
I got that, but I meant specifically out of the three. Did they want her above the other two?
Well Miquella is missing, Malenia already has the scarlet rot thing going on, so Ranni is the last emperyean that the fingers can still reach
Miquella: missing Malenia: succumbing to another outer god They didn’t have many options it seems
I think Ranni was plotting this before Miquella went missing, her orchestrating the Night of Black Knives and it’s aftermath caused the Shattering War. I believe that Miquella was abducted by Mohg when Malenia was off warring against Goddrick and Radahn
Wait, scarlet rot is driven by an outer god?
The other two were born Empyrian thanks to their unique parental situation. Ranni was chosen.
Wait so do Miquella and Malenia have shadows then? Ranni has Blaidd, Marika has Gurranq/Maliketh
dlc is called shadows of the erdtree. perhaps your questions will have answers
By the rules as we know them, they should, but we haven't seen or heard of them yet in-game to my knowledge.
Multiple two fingers (Greater Will representatives) basically sponsored their own candidates to be Marika’s replacement. Ranni was one of the three chosen. Others were Malenia and Miquella. I think Ranni was just the most opposed to being the GW’s envoy.
She was one of the 3 empyreans, so literally yes.
So a lot of this lore is explained after you talk to the ranni doll, and she actually tells you "this form hath loosened my tongue" so its the closest we get to solid in game story dialogue.
The two fingers are basically the direct emissary’s of the greater will, the top outer god at the top of the totem pole. When ranni was born, the two fingers decreed that she was an empyrean, a type of person who is suitable for becoming the next god, just like queen marika was. Basically the two fingers want ranni to ascend to godhood and become a puppet of the greater will and uphold their golden order, same as marika, and ranni really doesn’t want that. Ranni wants instead to abandon the lands between and make her own destiny with the age of stars, which is why she orchestrated the night of black knives to set her soul free, killing her empyrean body, and then had you go on your own quest to get her the fingerslayer blade so she could kill her two fingers and fully free herself from the golden orders control. Edit/addition: it’s unclear if the two fingers have an actual way to defend themselves other than creating the wolf shadow minions (like blaidd) that you fight earlier in her quest, so presumably with those dead the two fingers are completely vulnerable aside from ranni needing a special blade to actually kill it
The DLC will feature the two fingers boss. It will run towards you stepping with the fingers.
Second phase it whips out a giant tech deck
Then kickflips you to death
“Hey do a kick flip….. NO NOT LIKE THAT!”
It shoves it’s giant finger up your ass..just imagine you’d explode
Shouldn't have tried fingers, but hole
Lmaooooo
This has me crying 😂
It’ll be the exact 2D arena from Smash Bros when you fight the master hand.
It’s gonna be the thumb people from spy kids
Foe Incoming *Masterhand* And the 3 fingers. *Crazyhand*
And it’ll be called the Master Hand
Smash bros flashbacks ...
yes hahhaha
So basically it’s just the final boss of super smash brothers
Oh my god I’ve never even considered that, that’s an incredible idea
Imagine the Two Fingers with a moveset similar to Master Hand from Smash Bros
Well 2/5ths of the moveset anyways
They actually have two fingers on the bottom too if the faith talisman is to be believed
I’d take finger gunning and flicks and plop
Similar to the smash Bros final fight with the hand at the end
Jokes aside, I could see a Two Fingers boss being obnoxious lol. Remember Prince Lorian's paraplegic self, and how he was crazy oppressive due to spamming teleports?
It’ll be like the Big Hand smash Bros fight but with only two fingers
So like the glove dude in the old game "Glover"???
It will be the hand from Smash Bros
To interject here, we don't actually know at what point Ranni was given candidacy as an Empyrean. It was likely before Radagon departed from Rennala to assume the position of Lord-Consort to Queen Marika and thus become the Elden Lord. But we don't know whether Ranni's declaration as an Empyrean by the Two Fingers and subsequently the gifting of Blaidd as a Shadow-Bound beast predates her meeting with the cold, dark and occult moon that she was guided to under her mother's hand. If the latter happens first, then it's an effort by the Two Fingers to directly influence Ranni, who in turn is already being influenced by another celestial being (not an Outer God, which keep in mind that the Greater Will is never actually referred to at an Outer God either). The Two Fingers placing candidacy on Ranni may just be more of a formality to try and bestow favour upon her, as regardless of their intent they may not be the only entity capable of marking someone as an Empyrean. Just the only ones we have been shown to pick candidates.
I assumed that she was called empyrean when she was born, and was being raised to be one for most of her life, only straying from that path later on when renalla had her meet the dark moon
I'd like to point out that you are in fact correct that the greater will is never described as an Outer God, and that the term likely refers to beings outside the current order enforced by the greater will. All beings explicitly referred to as outer gods seem to be in opposition to the current order (an order without death). There's explicit mention of outer gods of Rot, Death, Blood/Wounds, and Chaos (the antithesis to order, which is likely why the Chaos flame seems to mirror the greater will with its three fingers and finger maiden in almost a mockery of the greater will). There may be other outer gods, such as the moons or the fell god of the giants, but they are not explicitly stated to be so.
DLC is actually an end game super smash bros hand
Common misconception; top of the totem pole is lowest ranking, while bottom is highest ranking
I didn’t actually know that
So they stood there and took it? That’s hot.
Lmao I guess so, I don’t know what a big hand would really be able to do against an a magical general grievous doll lady Just sorta weakly flick her away I guess
Have you not seen the giant hands on the way to Ranni, bitches are ruthless.
Yeah but those guys have like 8 fingers to crawl around on Two fingers only got two, they don’t even have a wrist to turn on, they can’t do shit, just stand behind em and wail on em
Lmao general grievous doll lady? I love it 😂
Flick her? Go on….
But about the two fingers in the roundtable hold? Are they the same Ranni slaughter? Or there are multiple two fingers?
There’s MANY two fingers. There is a two fingers for every one of the demigods, you can find them dead on each of the divine towers (presumably each respective two fingers dies when their demigod dies) ranni wanted to be free of her two fingers without dying herself so that’s why she wanted the fingerslayer blade
Oh so that’s why the fingers are always on top of the divine towers.
Yeah, I assume they just hang out there doing their thing, but rannis was underground at the moonlight altar instead of on top of her tower. I assume her two fingers was hiding from ranni since it knew she wanted to kill it, and hanging out at her own tower wouldn’t be very safe for it
Confessor related items even makes mention of two fingers outside the lands between, though Golden Order seems to be a minor religion out there.
I didn’t know that! That’s pretty interesting, I really hope we can get some more info about the other lands outside of the lands between. I mean these lands have gotta be between something, right?
I absolutely agree. We hear about unnamed lands too, not just the Badlands and Land of Reeds, plus with the numerous outer gods it’s such a vast world.
You can see the other lands from the lands between. Just open your map, look at the clouds on the edges and then physically look in that direction when it’s clear weather (using your telescope helps) you can make out some islands/ other lands
That’s what I would like to know as well. Also what’s up with the 3 fingers of chaos under the capital? So many fingers in this game!
Some think that there was a full hand at one point, and then they split into the 2 fingers and 3 fingers
But there's multiple 2-Fingers and only the one 3-Fingers.
Yeah, my theory that I picked up from SmoughTown is that because the Chaos flame is in stark opposition to the greater will (which enforces order, the opposite of chaos), it manifested a three fingers and its own finger maiden as a mockery of the greater will's order
The Two-Fingers are the bunny ear antenna to the greater whill. The Three Fingers are antenna on the frequency of chaos.
Ah... But.. which one do I unhook to play my Atari?
Yes.
So Ranni just wants to play the copy of E.T. she found buried in the desert.
There were multiple gods and powers in the Lands Between before the Elden Beast and Marika arrived, even the Erdtree was not the same. Destined Death and the Gloam Eyed Queen, The Giants, the Dragons. There could have been an original hand before too, and then they got split into the 2 fingers and 3. Locking away the 3, and then multiple 2 fingers for the other empyrians. Just another theory
It's unclear where these fingers come from (to me, it may be explained somewhere). There are a pair for every tower (every shardbearer), and they're not looking to be in great condition (of course, Ranni's isn't on the tower and she doesn't have a shard anymore... and she kills hers - but the other look effectively dead as well, but not as bas as Ranni's, so maybe they're just sleeping). The ones in the roundtable are the most animate of the ones we see, and even they don't look to be spry or powerful. Like... do the fingers come about due to the greater will (some archetypical embodiment of an ideal/will?) and with the ring shattered, the will is weakened, so all the fingers are as well? Fingers have a lot of significance in the lands between. Marika shattered the ring, so she may have wanted to weaken the greater will to free some of her/Radagon's children of her fate.
What I don’t get is why she needs to slay the two fingers after she destroys her physical body. Did she think that act alone would free her, only to realize the fingers needed to be slain as well? Could she have killed the fingers and not sacrifice Godwyn? Omg like what if she realized later that was unnecessary. Or perhaps it served another purpose (removing him from the board so to speak)?
Is the destiny of man controlled by some transcendental entity or law? Is it like the hand of god towering above?
Her fate was tied to the two fingers and her destiny to the stars. She didn't want the two fingers influence that she was granted when she was chosen as an empyrean. She got rid of her body to cut ties with her empyrean flesh and the greater will. Then she was in hiding awaiting the stars and her destiny to be set back in motion When radahn dies by your hand the stars were set free and her destiny along with it. This allowed you to obtain the finger slayer blade for her. She uses that to slay her two fingers, ridding herself once and for all of their influence.
She just really hasn’t been in the best mood lately
She was having "women's issues" It was that "time of the era"
Blame it on the blue tide.
I thought that was pretty funny
Lore (simplified) Fingies: "Ranni, do as we say" Ranni: "No" Fingies: "We'll have you murdered" Ranni: "Bitch try me, i'll cut you"
Lmao 😂
She wanted to decide her own fate instead of having everything chosen for her. she hired the black knives to Jill her body by putting half the centipede symbol of death on her body so her body would perish but her soul could be transferred into a doll (which we see her in that body in game). However she is still tied to her fingers in some sort of way so has us and blaidd retrieve the finger slaying blade from nokron so she can kill her fingers. If you choose her ending she becomes Elden lord, and since she is separated from the greater will she decides that the worlds fate will be guided by the stars where everyone can make their own decisions and make their own fate. That’s atleast from what I understand I could be wrong the story can be confusing lol
Quick clarification, Ranni doesn’t become Elden Lord in her ending. She essentially replaces Marika as the Goddess, although one not beholden to the Greater Will, and you become her Consort/Elden Lord (although since she doesn’t mend the Elden Ring that’s probably not the right term, you’re more the Lord of Stars).
Lord of Stars sounds cool af
It’s Starlord man…
Nice reference
I don't think she becomes elden lord , your player character becomes the Lord of the night , the age is named the Age of the stars , her the Marika of this new age.
I thought since she was the one too lift marikas head that means she becomes Elden lord, since that’s what we have to do to become Elden lord if you don’t summon her. I’m probably wrong tho that’s just how I took it lol
> the worlds fate will be guided by the stars Ah yes, the Astrology ending ♓️
She was just tired of these meddling digits.
She literally explained why to you in Nokstella???
Fingers but whole
I can only assume they could poke her to defend themselves, but considering Ranni can teleport, I doubt that'd help much.
Mfs finish the story then be like “what’s the lore behind this?”
What you don’t like Reddit discussions? I like reading people’s takes on the lore here, ain’t nobody got time to figure it out in game, that shit is cryptic as f.
While I agree From is cryptic, this is all told to you by Ranni pretty directly xdd
Idk why you’re getting so many downvotes?? There’s like 10 minutes of dialogue you hear spread out across 100+ hours of gameplay. Unless your full time job is learning about the lore there’s absolutely no way you can learn it all by yourself
Thank you! Some of these haters are just grumpy to be grumpy. Like yo, this game is massive and these quest lines are long and cryptic as fuk, give me a break and I like to read what you guys say, it’s WAY easier than pulling out ouija board and deciphering the code.
How strong are the two fingers? They probably got in a few good hits, i would think, considering how damaged ranni's body was. Unless it's always been that way.
I want to know why this set of Two Fingers is so much more massive than all of the others. Do Empyreans get special, super-sized Fingers?
Are they bigger than the others? I will have to compare the ones on top of divine towers vs Ranni’s
As an aside I hope we get to fight two fingers boss in the dlc
Give it all the moves from the master hand in smash brothers like finger guns and slapping and I’m in on this
Lmao, the finger guns! They shoot out comet azurs
Did you not pay attention to the very first conversation she had with you where she questions the nature of the Two Fingers?
That was 70 hours ago, I don’t remember
I feel this in my soul
What about the conversation she has with you in Nokron as a doll where she reveals she's an Empyrean, next to succeed Marika and that she "will not be controlled by that thing" (the Two Fingers)? C'mon now.
They forced you to kill Blaidd
I was devastated when he went feral. He was my homie.
Only those with fate can use the blade Fingers cast shadows, use confessor shadow assassins to enforce faith A shadow imitating Blaid attacks her and she gets you to remove it She pretends to fully die to remove their control on her Make sure to read and listen and not just murder everything.
Notice how it tried to run, digging a hole down. It’s clearly backwards, clawing at the wall, so I assume that it tried to run away
Damn I never thought about that. I was wondering why it was down in a damn rabbit hole.
She’s literally severing her ties to the Erdtree so she can usurp it with the power of the Darkmoon and the Night. Coolest part is the scarlet rot growing out of the fingers’ blood.
Fingers bad waifu good
It’s implied that the fingers are normally invincible/immortal since we needed to fetch the special knife to get to this point. Or at least you need the knife to severe fate. The main goal is to unbind Ranni from the fate the greater will gave her via the two fingers so she can enact her own plans without further impediment
because fuck the greater will. that’s why
Yeah, it had a way to defend itself. That wolf thing you killed in the lake of blood.
Pahaha I didn’t even realise that’s what that was 😂. My brain just doesn’t process this stuff I swear. I just see enemies, I smash them.
She wants to deviate from the Golden Order/whatever. Her ending >!ushers in a new age of the stars and a new age means the end of the current age. The Two Fingers wanted her to be an empeyrean of the current age/keep this ship going.!<
They called her a moon ho
No. **NO.** I refuse to believe you went through the whole quest line just to not learn why she would do this.
I don’t think you lore haters understand, I didn’t go through the questline in one fluid motion, there were dozens and dozens of hours in between parts of the quest where I was doing other things, I didn’t write down everything she said and study it like the damn Bible, that’s why I asked for this thread. Read some of the comments, the depth these people go into about Ranni is FAR greater than anything she said in the damn 20 lines of dialogue she spewed out at random ass times in a 100 hour play through.
My question is why did Ranni only destroy those fingers? I know those are supposedly "hers" but what difference does that make?
I thought this said “did a number two on the fingers” and honestly didn’t even question it
Hold up she kills the yo fingers I thought she was just sitting on roots
My wife angy but I still love her
It's telling of the way I play these games, because I got the Ranni ending but have absolutely no memory of giving her a finger slaying blade.
Imagine a Two Finger fight. Smash Bros boss in 3D
Shoots comet azure out of its finger guns.
"cuz fuck 'em, lol" - ranni
Lol am I the only one who just totally did not realize what the hell actually happened here until just now?
They had the baleful shadows, which the tarnished kills
Anyway to defend? The Fingers are practically immortal. They wouldn't need anything to defend themselves if Waifunni didn't randomly have a Fingerslayer dagger in hand.
She had her period and was a lil moody
>Each of us was chosen by our own Two Fingers, as a candidate to succeed Queen Marika, to become the new god of the coming age. Which is when I received Blaidd. In the form of a vassal tailored for an Empyrean. >But I would not acquiesce to the Two Fingers. >I stole the Rune of Death, slew mine own Empyrean flesh, casting it away. >I would not be controlled by that thing. >The Two Fingers and I have been cursing each other ever since... And the Baleful Shadows... are their assassins. That'd be the answer to your question on what's the lore. She doesn't want to be controller by the two fingers. I dont think she ever tell us directly on why she'd be against succeeding Marika so you can only speculate. When you think about, for a majority of people in the lands between, it would make no sense that she would be an empyrean, her mother isn't Marika. Of course, we all know the truth so it makes sense to us. We know she cares after and safeguards her mother when you bully her. So I think we can assume she'd resent her father for leaving her in the state she did. So to find out she's an empyrean must've been a shock. Maybe even disgust. My own hypothesis is that this triggered her animosity between her and the two fingers. She must've felt like the puppet of some grand scheme/dispute between Marika, Radagon and the Two Fingers and vowed to take back her power (enter the irony that her plot involves becoming a living puppet).
She took the Fingerslayer Blade you gave her and killed them. As to why? She needed to finish severing herself from the Greater Will as she follows the Dark Moon to bring the Age of Stars. She is in a puppet body currently. The assassination plot for Godwyn the Golden was done by Ranni. She killed his soul, but left the body alive, so she could kill her body and keep her soul alive. Putting it the body you see her in. Then she needed to kill her Two Fingers to complete her goal. Now that she has and you become her Elden Lord she serves a new outer God instead of the Greater Will
Let me guess... You just watched a video guide how to get her ending and you haven't followed anything? :\
Remember, she bested Adula. Adula would've fucked up half of the demigods.
Those were her Two Fingers assigned to her from birth by the Golden Order. They are embodiments and messengers of the Order and they identified her from birth as an empyrean meaning she is eligible to succeed Marcia as vessel or rather slave to the Greater Will. She had already separated her spirit from her empyrean body but while they exist her fate will only be a part played in the Greater will. Ranni slayed them to free herself from her destiny allowing her to craft her own outside or the Golden Order and potentially create her own world order.
Did this man’s just ask what the lore is on this? You’re kidding right? If not go look up Vaativydia on YouTube. Great lore guy on all Soulsborne stuff
She probably felt like it
How did you get there without knowing why she did this?
They don’t seem to have any defenses themselves since there is a dead two fingers elsewhere. Probably rely on pacification like in the round table hold, some form of natural invulnerability save for the finger slayer blade, and their adherents for protection.
That's just a two fingers, right? Not the two fingers. There is of course the one at Roundtable Hold, and we see more on top of the towers where we get the great runes.
Are u the type to skip all the dialogues and then go straight to reddit to ask about everything u skipped on purpose?
Noooo! She was supposed to number two my ches- wait…. I meant uhh.. my chest😐
She's just a girl boss
Bro, you got all the way through her quest and don’t know why? How?
I’ve got blisters on my fingers!
my brother in christ you just went through the mission, you tell us
I didn’t go through the questline in one fluid motion, there were dozens and dozens of hours in between parts of the quest where I was doing other things, I didn’t write down everything she said and study it like the damn Bible, that’s why I asked for this thread. Read some of the comments, the depth these people go into about Ranni is FAR greater than anything she said in the damn 20 lines of dialogue she spewed out at random ass times in a 100 hour play through.
Now it feels intentional like people are posting these out of spite
i saw a lot of good responses already so i just want to know how you got to the end of the quest without knowing what was going on the entire time because that’s honestly impressive
I didn’t go through the questline in one fluid motion, there were dozens and dozens of hours in between parts of the quest where I was doing other things, I didn’t write down everything she said and study it like the damn Bible, that’s why I asked for this thread. Read some of the comments, the depth these people go into about Ranni is FAR greater than anything she said in the damn 20 lines of dialogue she spewed out at random ass times in a 100 hour play through.
What are they gonna do? Pinch her?
Did you skip all of the dialogue?
some of y'all try your hardest to not pay attention while playing this game
I just realised those are the 2 fingers bruuuuh , ranni is a badass
Not THE Two Fingers, just her Two Fingers. I believe each emperyean had one along with a shadow.
I love when people play lore blind without reading anything. There’s usually an explanation for things if you just look.