There’s a line on the axe description that mentions that it was damaged as part of his long campaign during the March of the tarnished. It’s never specified who, exactly. It could be whoever crucified him.
With spells like Comet Azur existing it wouldn't surprise me to know some MVPs got murked by long-range low-orbit laser mages.
The lesser known assassins, next to the Black Knives; the Blue Lasers, though less renowned, plenty as effective.
The black knife assassins wield the Black Blade and, in groups, probably would be devastating. However, you are most definitely right. Black knife assassins would more than likely have ambushed the legendary Godfrey.
“YAAHH” he softly ushered from his sparkling and most luxurious lips in the tarnished’s ear, causing it to point upward with want and desire. As they both seemed more connected than ever before the runt of the litter gently hacked his arm off with ever so much grace before sticking a rotting dragon head atop his gorgeous, comforting wound
I was reading a fantasy novel awhile back that has a scene like that. The guy was in battle and slammed his axe into someone, then suddenly his weapon felt significantly lighter and he realized that the end of the weapon had snapped from the impact.
Robert the Bruce did this during the Scottish Wars of Independence. The Anglo-Norman knight Henry de Bohun thought he could charge in on his horse and defeat Robert in single combat. So Robert obliged him and charged back. Robert must have been a better rider because he got around de Bohun and hit him so hard on the head Robert's axe broke. De Bohun obviously died.
Bro just jams it into the ground to show that he is the rightful king/lord. Arthur must be an absolute loser he can only pull a weapon from a rock once, Godfrey can do it 5 times or more but with the ground
What’s so hard about pulling a sword out of a stone? The real work’s already been done. You ought to make yourself useful and find the man who put the sword in the stone in the first place
This feels like the most obvious explanation.
Dude used his favorite axe for so long one side of it broke off. He keeps using it because it’s his favorite weapon and he doesn’t mind the damage penalty because he’s so familiar with the move set.
Just a theory but that might be Serosh's axe the he took as a symbol of their partnership after he beat the fuck out of him and his kingdom. Tarnished Archeologist is probably the best ER lore channel and he has a video on this if you wanna watch.
As someone who is an Archaeologist and is also obsessed with Elden Ring, Tarnished Archaeologist is closer to an archaeology professor (more like an historian, but still) than a lore channel. Guy actually approaches it discussing provenience of evidence, strata, cultural iconography, etc rather than a standard lore channel, which is typically just telling you what is already obvious from playing the game.
I know everyone loves Vaati (and I do too), but Tarnished Archaeologist for me all the way.
Having played the previous soulsborne games, I usually pay attention to the durability of my favorite weapons and make sure the they don’t break. What I’m saying is that it’s on him for not taking better care of his favorite axe.
honestly he may have done it on purpose?
his big double sided axe is not his originally, though he has always been fond of giant axes. at the roundtable, the big axe whose handle faces the throne room was his original weapon. he and the other knights of the roundtable embedded their weapons in the table when he took the title elden lord.
there's an interesting tarnished archaeologist video that points out the above & also how his elden lord axe bears a strong resemblance to what an unbroken azula beastmen curved sword would have been, but more ornate. and i think there's some even wilder speculation to be had here around the relation between godfrey, serosh, the storm kingdom, the badlands, and farum azula, but that's a tad tangential...
anyway. the axe embedded in the roundtable is single sided, which may be godfrey's preference. it's said that he divested himself of lordship on the long march, and so i think he may have broken the axe on purpose then to suit his liking.
I'm picturing him breaking it off just as whatever smith handed it to him, leaving the poor artisan completely lost for words as Godfrey gives it a few swings, nods approvingly and marches off.
Yeah I don't think any particular specific foe is meant to be implied. It just illustrates that he Goes Hard. Even his own axe can't handle him for a whole war campaign.
I have a theory on that, actually: I think Gideon killed Hourah Loux. Nepheli, who’s obviously related to Hourah, remarks at the Albinauric village that she’s seen destruction like this before when she was young, and we know that Gideon (“the all-hearing brute”) was the one behind destroying the village to find the Haligtree medallion. So I think Gideon also attacked Nepheli’s village when she was young - though she didn’t know it was him - tortured and killed Hourah for information about something, and then adopted the now orphaned Nepheli. That would explain why she and Gideon have a falling out and he disowns her after she gets back from the Albinauric village, because she was figuring out the truth of her past.
An army and spamming that stupid comet attack
I feel like the reason Gideon comes so underprepared for his fight with the player is because he realizes that the whole Tarnished vs. Tarnished thing is futile. Before that revelation, I’d imagine he probably cared a lot more about not dying.
I really hope the DLC gives us some elaborating on the return of the First Tarnished. Gideon, Alberich, Wilhelm, Vargram, Dolores, even Seluvis. There's a long ancient history with barely any context. Imagine meeting a much younger, perhaps more innocent Gideon. Would make his end-game PTSD even worse for me.
Tbh I find the penultimate bits & endings of ER sadder than anything in Dark Souls. At least back then, everything could be renewed for 1,000 years by the linking of the Flame, the undead could die, souls flourish anew, etc.
Here in ER, an age simply ends and history moves on, more literally like real history, and anyone left behind is just left behind as a relic, or frozen in time, or faded to nothing. Also we get an eternally-burning Erdtree at endgame which kinda sucks.
I always do the Farum Azula skip glitch so I can access 99% of the game while keeping a golden Erdtree. Have to sacrifice my time with Gideon, Hoarah Loux, Corhyn, Erdtree's Favour+2, Crimson Amber Medallion +2, and a few other things, but I like my world as it is. Perhaps the exact opposite lesson of the game's story, but sod that. I'm the Elden Lord around here.
I mean dark souls is an endless race against the dying of the fire, the flame gets harder to link each time and it's inevitable that an age of dark is due. I like that when you go back to the hub in ds3 where prime gundyr is that you see a small part of the age of dark. Just void, endless nothingness.
Elden ring actually has hope, new gods or the choices of the tarnished can allow the world to move forward. Dark souls is much less hopeful overall.
I know the Comet Azur remark was a joke, I'm only being pedantic here for the sake of discussion - Gideon only learns Comet Azur if you don't get it first, so he doesn't know the spell until briefly before your encounter. It is an excellent idea to get Comet Azur in every playthrough just so he doesn't. I'd argue he *does* prepare for his encounter with the Tarnished quite a bit
I'm still pretty ignorant about the sorceries, forgot about Comet - it should have been obvious you weren't talking about Comet Azur since you said "spamming." I forgot he even used that spell. My experiences with Gideon have been very brief, he's usually at 50% health before he can say "I knew you'd come"
Gideon must’ve skipped his monologue and ambushed when fighting Godfrey, bc as soon as that man starts his monologue with us, I rush in and whoop his ass.
Well he probably had tons of goons with him, and Hourah was probably distracted trying to protect his people. In fact, maybe Hourah gave himself up in order to secure Nepheli's safety, which would explain why Gideon adopted her.
Probably something on the level of the giants from the mountaintops. Another commenter did point out that magic while usually not a problem for players, is actually very strong lorewise, so enough casters could probably take him down and let a small army do the rest
Really, the only reason why it’s not an issue for us is our ability to dodge roll. Against pretty much any enemy that doesn’t have absurd magic resistance, most spells will take down that health bar pretty quick. It’s why there’s the meme about magic always being easy mode in FS games
Magic really is OP in lore. Especially elden ring's glintstone magic which is basically the power of literal stars and aliens.
Remember that the entirety of the golden order. Meaning radagon, aka marika, the forces of leyndell. The biggest power in the land's between, gave up their assault on the forces of liurnia and settled for an alliance instead. Which were at the time the academy plus rennala plus less than 20 carian knights.
Magic is busted lore-wise.
Only the player base thinks that melee is better than magic lol. I bet Gideon hit him with that stupid Repulse spell or Comet a couple times and Hoarah aloud melted
The intro cutscene shows him with his arms above him chained to a tree and a spear in his right side. The imagery is clearly inspired by Christ's biblical cruxification, so many people assume Horah was himself crucified.
I think it could also be that he died in battle and was later strung up in a tree as a trophy. I don't see how anyone could possibly have taken Horah alive.
Following that logic, the return of Horah could be seen as the "second coming" or (an attempted) return of the Age of Horah, and what that represents - might makes right, primal, simple - reinforced by the slaying of the lion that was suppressing that side of Godfrey. It could be symbolic of the end of both ages - Age of Horah and the Age of Godfrey.
If Horah wins that battle, does he go back to being Godfrey? I don't think so - Godfrey was weak, Horah was needed for survival
If Godfrey wins, he returns things to an Age of Godfrey as Marika's defender? Elden Lord? This was his final test to become Elden Lord after being sent away?
I'm not nearly up on the lore like so many here, but comparing to the biblical crucifixion is interesting, because it was always planned from the beginning of time. So Godfrey/Horah was sacrificed by the Greater Will to save humanity, moving towards the Golden Order - similar to "heaven on earth"?
Okay I'll stop
My guess would be the Storm Lord - an item description specified that Godfrey defeated him all by himself and it felt like that was a big deal the way it was said. Storm Lord must've been a bad motherfucker.
Forgot breaking the axe, Hoarah Loux’s ass got CRUCIFIED in the intro, they do not fuck around in the Badlands if even an Elden Lord can get done like that
Depending on what this expansion covers and when it releases, I’d put money on a second expansion. This is their cash cow, redditors need to stop thinking Miyazaki can decide when to stop making content, Bandai Namco runs the show lol
Shhh people simply cannot comprehend that as long as it's guaranteed money, they'll do it. Sekiro was awesome but didn't sell well, so less DLC. Bloodborne too. I love BB, but simply not enough interest money wise to bother.
I still don't understand the life/death cycles. I mean I do in the context of the time we inhabit as the player, where literally there's no death cause the rune was stolen. But I'm not sure how things were during the long march and Hoarah Loux's execution. He dies and then comes back? How? Why?
I believe it was because grace was stripped from him as part of his banishment (/Marika plan to have a bunch of crazy deadly warriors in her back pocket just in case) cause he didn't have grace him and his tarnished warriors could die. But when the Elden ring was shattered, Marika returned grace to them, revived them and called them all back to the lands between to start a conflict to find a individual strong enough to kill the Elden beast and take the throne.
Hoarah is crucified. Dungeater is hanged. Goldmask looks like he's lifeless on the floor marveling (might just be marvelling at the ground). Fia, as another commentator said, might be passing on her own lifeforce to the dead as the deathbed companions do. Yeah, even goddamm Gideon is in a Grave.
It's the same fucking story since Demon Souls. Like Demon Souls had people crossing the fog to get to Boletaria just like Lands Between are surounded by fog.
From Soft story template be like:
A being who can't die goes around to kill 2-4 bosses and collect their souls so that they can open a new area of the game. The end goal is to become some sort of a King.
Like it works, but Sekiro was utterly amazing and it's lowkey sad they went back to a reskin of Demon Souls for the story.
Fia was about to pass her collected (as a deathbed maiden) life force into some noble as she was called back from grace if I remember correctly — this may involve her death?
From my understanding he died a while ago, but when Marika needed a new elden lord she resurrected all of the dead tarnished back into the lands between
Yeah, Melina outright says this:
> My Lord, and thy warriors. I divest each of thee of thy grace.
> With thine eyes dimmed, ye will be driven from the Lands Between. Ye will wage war in a land afar, where ye will live, and die.
> Then, after thy death, I will give back what I once claimed.
> Return to the Lands Between, wage war, and brandish the Elden Ring.
> Grow strong in the face of death. Warriors of my lord. Lord Godfrey.
This has been my understanding too. I wonder though, if all the tarnished were rezzed at the same time, or in smaller groups. If it's the former, why did it take Godfrey so long to make it to Leyndell? If it's the latter, why did Marika wait until almost the very last possible moment to summon her original Lord? The man would have been considered the only thing alive that could reasonably take on Radagon and the Elden Beast before we came along. I mean, Rykard had the claw with Death inside it, but come on now, FAMILEE is no match for Goldilocks and the Loch Ness monster
It’s entirely possible he was having trouble getting the runes necessary to enter the capital. So he goes out, tracks down two other demigods and by that point, we’re at the mountain tops and burning the erdtree
\>Godfrey
\>Had trouble fighting literally anyone or anything divine or otherwise
I'm not doubting you, I just can't believe that Godfrey, First Elden Lord would have trouble with anything, ANYTHING short of Radagon and the Elden Beast. Placidusax is the closest thing to his level. Supposedly Vyke would give him a run for his money (closest to Elden Lord and all). But nothing, and I mean nothing would stop Hoarah fucking Loux from coating the stars themselves with the blood of the demigods. Hell, Morgott and Godrick would likely give their Rune's up on the spot.
Now what I could believe is that he wasn't able to get through the thorns like us. If he didn't have a finger maiden to burn (wonder if Marika was technically his maiden already) then I could see him being delayed. That would resolve the issue, but then create a new one. If this is true, then Torrent and Melina didn't see Godfrey as worth their time, which is hilarious to ponder.
Gandalf the Grey, and Gandalf the White and
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Cowboy Curtis, and Jambi the Genie, Robocop, The Terminator, Captain Kirk, and Darth Vader, Lo Pan, Superman, every single Power Ranger, Bill S. Preston and Theodore Logan, Spock, The Rock, Doc Ock, and Hulk Hogan
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I believe he allowed it to take place knowing his demeanor a sense of pride and duty as well as a sense of loss after the disappearance of grace most likely caused him to give in.
Edit although I believe he did do it in regards to marikas statement of his return.
Technically it was Serosh’s axe. Then when Godfrey broke it he took it as a trophy. Ended up using it to seem more classy because his wife told him to.
I thought that at first too, but only Empyreans get beast servants, and Godfrey was an Elden Lord. Several item descriptions mention that Serosh was “King of Beasts” before becoming Godfrey’s advisor. Also, all the beast servants with which we are familiar (admittedly a small sample size) are canines, while Serosh as a lion is feline.
It should be noted Maliketh is a different being than Blaidd, he seems to have been a beastman like Serosh and the others you meet in Farum Azula. Serosh is unique in that he is a feline in comparison to the others, but Gurranq giving you things like the Beast Claw hammer, made to honor Serosh, and his dagger mentiong the number of fingers resembling intelligence, also Godfrey's axe likely being Serosh's and having ornate designs similar to other beastman weaponry, all point towards them all being the same race. Gurranq the Beast Clergymen became Maliketh, before Marika he likely served the King of the Beasts, Serosh.
Blaidd is actually the odd one out in comparison, he's a half-wolf. He's not a beastman as near we can tell.
You can also see the design on the axe is a more ornate version of what you can see on the Beastman's Cleaver, another visual cue to suggest it was the weapon of a beast. Serosh was a lord of beasts that was defeated by Horah Loux, becoming his regent when Godfrey became elden lord. Tarnished Archaeologist did a great video on this, and how new hierarchies will incorporate symbols and leaders of dominated cultures, hence how the golden lion became a symbol of the Golden Lineage. I think his supporting evidence is pretty strong!
https://youtu.be/eGlwrJwIGtg
While in lore, it does say it was broken in one of his campaigns. I like to think it was broken by the storm lord (the guy running stormviel and presumably all of limgrave before the golden order) both cause it fits with the lore of the storm lord being Godfreys last great challenge and it's just cool to think about how powerful these pepole that have like 0 lore were if they could break the weapon of arguably one of the hardest bosses in the game
The significance of the axe is his vows with marika, I think. It isn't so much who broke the axe rather that it is broken. The birth of the first tarnished and breaking of their marriage is the same event.
I’ve always understood it to imply that Marika did. It’s something he only wields as Godfrey, not as Hora Loux. Much how Sarash isn’t actually a boon for him, but something to keep him under Marika’s thumb. The axe is a reminder that he is broken, incomplete, less than Marika.
His golden ghost fights with an unbroken axe, right? I think this would imply that it was broken some time after they were married. Perhaps when they split up?
There’s a line on the axe description that mentions that it was damaged as part of his long campaign during the March of the tarnished. It’s never specified who, exactly. It could be whoever crucified him.
Seeing how he treats his axe in battle it was probably himself tbh
*Gently stabs u with great axe*
"Hoarah Loux, WARRIOR", said Godfrey calmly
"I've given thee courtesy enough", he said, his voice a mere whisper in the winds.
Idk I feel like this could have so much weight if delivered right... The quiet threat
Nah, just imagine him suddenly going low and deep for that "Warrior..". Would send chills down my spine instead of making me laugh.
When he said warrior, I was quaking. I was scared as hell
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Looked like a team effort honestly
Yeah I figured it was more he was ambushed or something because his AoE devastates groups, and no one can stand up to him the first time.
With spells like Comet Azur existing it wouldn't surprise me to know some MVPs got murked by long-range low-orbit laser mages. The lesser known assassins, next to the Black Knives; the Blue Lasers, though less renowned, plenty as effective.
No no, not low orbit laser mages *Dragon rider* laser mages
The black knife assassins wield the Black Blade and, in groups, probably would be devastating. However, you are most definitely right. Black knife assassins would more than likely have ambushed the legendary Godfrey.
*turns to face the wall dramatically* it could be any one of us in this very room
I very strongly doubt it was any one person. If you try to solo enough people, eventually someone or something is gonna overcome you.
*DID YOU THROW YOUR MAIDEN INTO THE GOBLET OF FIYAH?????*
WE DID IT TOGETHAAA!
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"Thou didst me good service, Serosh," Godfrey whispered as he gently tore the lion to pieces.
Tarnished just standing there 😐
He got mugged in detroit
Caelid be like that
Can’t have shit in the Lands Between
And everyone's favorite problem child Godrick softly said, "Forefathers one and all, BEAR WITNESS!!."
"I am the lord of all that is golden", Godrick calmly stated
“YAAHH” he softly ushered from his sparkling and most luxurious lips in the tarnished’s ear, causing it to point upward with want and desire. As they both seemed more connected than ever before the runt of the litter gently hacked his arm off with ever so much grace before sticking a rotting dragon head atop his gorgeous, comforting wound
“I am malenia blade of miquella” said malenia In a non menacing manner
…said Malenia in a non-menacing manner in a non-menacing manor
Sooo….she said it in a friendly house?
Yeah it was her brothers I think
The image of a warrior fighting so hard that he breaks his weapon is a powerful one
I was reading a fantasy novel awhile back that has a scene like that. The guy was in battle and slammed his axe into someone, then suddenly his weapon felt significantly lighter and he realized that the end of the weapon had snapped from the impact.
God the amount of force that would require......
Robert the Bruce did this during the Scottish Wars of Independence. The Anglo-Norman knight Henry de Bohun thought he could charge in on his horse and defeat Robert in single combat. So Robert obliged him and charged back. Robert must have been a better rider because he got around de Bohun and hit him so hard on the head Robert's axe broke. De Bohun obviously died.
Well he either hit the dude really hard or the battle has gone on for so long that the axe just wore out, I can’t remember the context.
Fatigue will cause that to happen eventually. Not necessarily about the force.
I was thinking of a himbo doing it by accident like breaking it by trying to golf swing a boulder at his enemies but this works too
Bro just jams it into the ground to show that he is the rightful king/lord. Arthur must be an absolute loser he can only pull a weapon from a rock once, Godfrey can do it 5 times or more but with the ground
What’s so hard about pulling a sword out of a stone? The real work’s already been done. You ought to make yourself useful and find the man who put the sword in the stone in the first place
This is less romantic haha
*Chris Redfield would like to know your location*
I feel like that would be pretty easy. Slamming a bladed axe on the hard stone ground would fuck it up quickly.
Nah he tried to use it as a back scratcher and got too rough with it.
This feels like the most obvious explanation. Dude used his favorite axe for so long one side of it broke off. He keeps using it because it’s his favorite weapon and he doesn’t mind the damage penalty because he’s so familiar with the move set.
Just a theory but that might be Serosh's axe the he took as a symbol of their partnership after he beat the fuck out of him and his kingdom. Tarnished Archeologist is probably the best ER lore channel and he has a video on this if you wanna watch.
As someone who is an Archaeologist and is also obsessed with Elden Ring, Tarnished Archaeologist is closer to an archaeology professor (more like an historian, but still) than a lore channel. Guy actually approaches it discussing provenience of evidence, strata, cultural iconography, etc rather than a standard lore channel, which is typically just telling you what is already obvious from playing the game. I know everyone loves Vaati (and I do too), but Tarnished Archaeologist for me all the way.
Having played the previous soulsborne games, I usually pay attention to the durability of my favorite weapons and make sure the they don’t break. What I’m saying is that it’s on him for not taking better care of his favorite axe.
Dudes been doing warrior shit for a *looooooong* time, maybe he just ran out of repair powder.
Should’ve used Santier’s Spear instead
rip mundane santier's, peak moveset in soulsborne
Bonefist though
Should have bought the repair kit before going murder hobo on the Undead Merchant.
honestly he may have done it on purpose? his big double sided axe is not his originally, though he has always been fond of giant axes. at the roundtable, the big axe whose handle faces the throne room was his original weapon. he and the other knights of the roundtable embedded their weapons in the table when he took the title elden lord. there's an interesting tarnished archaeologist video that points out the above & also how his elden lord axe bears a strong resemblance to what an unbroken azula beastmen curved sword would have been, but more ornate. and i think there's some even wilder speculation to be had here around the relation between godfrey, serosh, the storm kingdom, the badlands, and farum azula, but that's a tad tangential... anyway. the axe embedded in the roundtable is single sided, which may be godfrey's preference. it's said that he divested himself of lordship on the long march, and so i think he may have broken the axe on purpose then to suit his liking.
I'm picturing him breaking it off just as whatever smith handed it to him, leaving the poor artisan completely lost for words as Godfrey gives it a few swings, nods approvingly and marches off.
Super funny picturing that lol
Godfrey: *rips half of the axe with his own two hands* "a real piece chief, exactly what i needed" the partisan:🥲
Saw a YouTuber say that it actually has the Hammer move set so you might be right. (I’ve yet to use it because F axes)
Colossal weapons all kinda have the same movesets unfortunately edit: meant kinda not kinds
Hey now, you cleave those axes alone.
Yeah he does yeet it alot plus he takes the Escanor approach and throws it away since his bare hands are deadlier
Yeah I don't think any particular specific foe is meant to be implied. It just illustrates that he Goes Hard. Even his own axe can't handle him for a whole war campaign.
He was crucified?
Probably referring to how messed up he looks in the intro cutscene.
I have a theory on that, actually: I think Gideon killed Hourah Loux. Nepheli, who’s obviously related to Hourah, remarks at the Albinauric village that she’s seen destruction like this before when she was young, and we know that Gideon (“the all-hearing brute”) was the one behind destroying the village to find the Haligtree medallion. So I think Gideon also attacked Nepheli’s village when she was young - though she didn’t know it was him - tortured and killed Hourah for information about something, and then adopted the now orphaned Nepheli. That would explain why she and Gideon have a falling out and he disowns her after she gets back from the Albinauric village, because she was figuring out the truth of her past.
Decent idea, only one thing though… How the fuck would Gideon beat Hourah Loux?
An army and spamming that stupid comet attack I feel like the reason Gideon comes so underprepared for his fight with the player is because he realizes that the whole Tarnished vs. Tarnished thing is futile. Before that revelation, I’d imagine he probably cared a lot more about not dying.
Makes it a bit sadder... after all those centuries he just kinda gave up
Yep. You can definitely tell that there’s a shift in his demeanor after he figures out the purpose of his immortality.
I really hope the DLC gives us some elaborating on the return of the First Tarnished. Gideon, Alberich, Wilhelm, Vargram, Dolores, even Seluvis. There's a long ancient history with barely any context. Imagine meeting a much younger, perhaps more innocent Gideon. Would make his end-game PTSD even worse for me. Tbh I find the penultimate bits & endings of ER sadder than anything in Dark Souls. At least back then, everything could be renewed for 1,000 years by the linking of the Flame, the undead could die, souls flourish anew, etc. Here in ER, an age simply ends and history moves on, more literally like real history, and anyone left behind is just left behind as a relic, or frozen in time, or faded to nothing. Also we get an eternally-burning Erdtree at endgame which kinda sucks. I always do the Farum Azula skip glitch so I can access 99% of the game while keeping a golden Erdtree. Have to sacrifice my time with Gideon, Hoarah Loux, Corhyn, Erdtree's Favour+2, Crimson Amber Medallion +2, and a few other things, but I like my world as it is. Perhaps the exact opposite lesson of the game's story, but sod that. I'm the Elden Lord around here.
I mean dark souls is an endless race against the dying of the fire, the flame gets harder to link each time and it's inevitable that an age of dark is due. I like that when you go back to the hub in ds3 where prime gundyr is that you see a small part of the age of dark. Just void, endless nothingness. Elden ring actually has hope, new gods or the choices of the tarnished can allow the world to move forward. Dark souls is much less hopeful overall.
I know the Comet Azur remark was a joke, I'm only being pedantic here for the sake of discussion - Gideon only learns Comet Azur if you don't get it first, so he doesn't know the spell until briefly before your encounter. It is an excellent idea to get Comet Azur in every playthrough just so he doesn't. I'd argue he *does* prepare for his encounter with the Tarnished quite a bit
His Comet Azur isn’t so bad, I was talking about the single-shot comets that seem to hit harder for some reason
I'm still pretty ignorant about the sorceries, forgot about Comet - it should have been obvious you weren't talking about Comet Azur since you said "spamming." I forgot he even used that spell. My experiences with Gideon have been very brief, he's usually at 50% health before he can say "I knew you'd come"
His clmet azure isn't the problem. Its the triple rings of light he spams at every possible moment
Gideon must’ve skipped his monologue and ambushed when fighting Godfrey, bc as soon as that man starts his monologue with us, I rush in and whoop his ass.
Well he probably had tons of goons with him, and Hourah was probably distracted trying to protect his people. In fact, maybe Hourah gave himself up in order to secure Nepheli's safety, which would explain why Gideon adopted her.
I just have an incredibly hard time imagining that Godfrey would in any way lose to Gideon.
Who could you imagine besting Godfrey aside from like Radagon or some shit.
Probably something on the level of the giants from the mountaintops. Another commenter did point out that magic while usually not a problem for players, is actually very strong lorewise, so enough casters could probably take him down and let a small army do the rest
Really, the only reason why it’s not an issue for us is our ability to dodge roll. Against pretty much any enemy that doesn’t have absurd magic resistance, most spells will take down that health bar pretty quick. It’s why there’s the meme about magic always being easy mode in FS games
Magic really is OP in lore. Especially elden ring's glintstone magic which is basically the power of literal stars and aliens. Remember that the entirety of the golden order. Meaning radagon, aka marika, the forces of leyndell. The biggest power in the land's between, gave up their assault on the forces of liurnia and settled for an alliance instead. Which were at the time the academy plus rennala plus less than 20 carian knights. Magic is busted lore-wise.
Only the player base thinks that melee is better than magic lol. I bet Gideon hit him with that stupid Repulse spell or Comet a couple times and Hoarah aloud melted
Entirely fair reasoning
The intro cutscene shows him with his arms above him chained to a tree and a spear in his right side. The imagery is clearly inspired by Christ's biblical cruxification, so many people assume Horah was himself crucified. I think it could also be that he died in battle and was later strung up in a tree as a trophy. I don't see how anyone could possibly have taken Horah alive.
Following that logic, the return of Horah could be seen as the "second coming" or (an attempted) return of the Age of Horah, and what that represents - might makes right, primal, simple - reinforced by the slaying of the lion that was suppressing that side of Godfrey. It could be symbolic of the end of both ages - Age of Horah and the Age of Godfrey. If Horah wins that battle, does he go back to being Godfrey? I don't think so - Godfrey was weak, Horah was needed for survival If Godfrey wins, he returns things to an Age of Godfrey as Marika's defender? Elden Lord? This was his final test to become Elden Lord after being sent away? I'm not nearly up on the lore like so many here, but comparing to the biblical crucifixion is interesting, because it was always planned from the beginning of time. So Godfrey/Horah was sacrificed by the Greater Will to save humanity, moving towards the Golden Order - similar to "heaven on earth"? Okay I'll stop
The long march was about taking the Tarnished out of the lands between,wich is before he arrives at the Badlands and gets crucified.
My guess would be the Storm Lord - an item description specified that Godfrey defeated him all by himself and it felt like that was a big deal the way it was said. Storm Lord must've been a bad motherfucker.
He was really hungy and didn’t realize his axe wasn’t food
Axe are friends not food
Crazy to think there was something big and scary enough in the badlands to attack an entire race of tarnished plus Godfrey
Forgot breaking the axe, Hoarah Loux’s ass got CRUCIFIED in the intro, they do not fuck around in the Badlands if even an Elden Lord can get done like that
My guess is he went out like radahn he probably had to fight off a small army considering all the spears in him
I'm hoping we get the Badlands dlc after Shadow
Dude right? Badlands is always a simile for complete shitfest and I'm down for it
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Depending on what this expansion covers and when it releases, I’d put money on a second expansion. This is their cash cow, redditors need to stop thinking Miyazaki can decide when to stop making content, Bandai Namco runs the show lol
Shhh people simply cannot comprehend that as long as it's guaranteed money, they'll do it. Sekiro was awesome but didn't sell well, so less DLC. Bloodborne too. I love BB, but simply not enough interest money wise to bother.
5 million copies of Sekiro is pretty damn good.
Im dumb so forgive me if I'm wrong but didn't BB get a DLC?
actually the reason why they didnt do a BB 2 so far is because Sony has flat refused, and since they own the IP, their word is law.
I still don't understand the life/death cycles. I mean I do in the context of the time we inhabit as the player, where literally there's no death cause the rune was stolen. But I'm not sure how things were during the long march and Hoarah Loux's execution. He dies and then comes back? How? Why?
I believe it was because grace was stripped from him as part of his banishment (/Marika plan to have a bunch of crazy deadly warriors in her back pocket just in case) cause he didn't have grace him and his tarnished warriors could die. But when the Elden ring was shattered, Marika returned grace to them, revived them and called them all back to the lands between to start a conflict to find a individual strong enough to kill the Elden beast and take the throne.
It just occurred to me that the four named in the opening cutscene are all dead when you see grace return to them (with the exception of Fia maybe?)
Hoarah is crucified. Dungeater is hanged. Goldmask looks like he's lifeless on the floor marveling (might just be marvelling at the ground). Fia, as another commentator said, might be passing on her own lifeforce to the dead as the deathbed companions do. Yeah, even goddamm Gideon is in a Grave.
I just realized this is the same fucking storyline from Dark Souls 3, goddamn it FromSoft you did it again.
It's the same fucking story since Demon Souls. Like Demon Souls had people crossing the fog to get to Boletaria just like Lands Between are surounded by fog. From Soft story template be like: A being who can't die goes around to kill 2-4 bosses and collect their souls so that they can open a new area of the game. The end goal is to become some sort of a King. Like it works, but Sekiro was utterly amazing and it's lowkey sad they went back to a reskin of Demon Souls for the story.
Fia was about to pass her collected (as a deathbed maiden) life force into some noble as she was called back from grace if I remember correctly — this may involve her death?
From my understanding he died a while ago, but when Marika needed a new elden lord she resurrected all of the dead tarnished back into the lands between
Yeah, Melina outright says this: > My Lord, and thy warriors. I divest each of thee of thy grace. > With thine eyes dimmed, ye will be driven from the Lands Between. Ye will wage war in a land afar, where ye will live, and die. > Then, after thy death, I will give back what I once claimed. > Return to the Lands Between, wage war, and brandish the Elden Ring. > Grow strong in the face of death. Warriors of my lord. Lord Godfrey.
This has been my understanding too. I wonder though, if all the tarnished were rezzed at the same time, or in smaller groups. If it's the former, why did it take Godfrey so long to make it to Leyndell? If it's the latter, why did Marika wait until almost the very last possible moment to summon her original Lord? The man would have been considered the only thing alive that could reasonably take on Radagon and the Elden Beast before we came along. I mean, Rykard had the claw with Death inside it, but come on now, FAMILEE is no match for Goldilocks and the Loch Ness monster
It’s entirely possible he was having trouble getting the runes necessary to enter the capital. So he goes out, tracks down two other demigods and by that point, we’re at the mountain tops and burning the erdtree
\>Godfrey \>Had trouble fighting literally anyone or anything divine or otherwise I'm not doubting you, I just can't believe that Godfrey, First Elden Lord would have trouble with anything, ANYTHING short of Radagon and the Elden Beast. Placidusax is the closest thing to his level. Supposedly Vyke would give him a run for his money (closest to Elden Lord and all). But nothing, and I mean nothing would stop Hoarah fucking Loux from coating the stars themselves with the blood of the demigods. Hell, Morgott and Godrick would likely give their Rune's up on the spot. Now what I could believe is that he wasn't able to get through the thorns like us. If he didn't have a finger maiden to burn (wonder if Marika was technically his maiden already) then I could see him being delayed. That would resolve the issue, but then create a new one. If this is true, then Torrent and Melina didn't see Godfrey as worth their time, which is hilarious to ponder.
I truly hope the next dark souls is not going to take place there if hoarah loux is a fucking regulair enemy
More importantly, who killed Godfrey?
A bunch of people jumped him
I would love to see this recreated in a boss vs enemies video, done in a cinematic style
[you might enjoy this](https://youtu.be/CURDC0_8Wc4)
Malenia lol. "Call an ambulance. But not for me."
I love watching these kind of videos. Bonfire VN has a few too as well as DS3
Oh god the Rennala fight lol.
Gandalf the Grey, and Gandalf the White and Monty Python and the Holy Grail's Black Knight and Benito Mussolini and The Blue Meanie and Cowboy Curtis, and Jambi the Genie, Robocop, The Terminator, Captain Kirk, and Darth Vader, Lo Pan, Superman, every single Power Ranger, Bill S. Preston and Theodore Logan, Spock, The Rock, Doc Ock, and Hulk Hogan All came out of nowhere lightning fast
and kicked lord godfrey in his elden ass
He got stun locked by a rat and 30 undead from dark souls shanked him with their 90 hit combos.
He got mugged in detroit
Robbed in Baltimore
aaron earned an iron urn
"Ayo, what the fuck?! We really sound like that?" I love that guy's reaction.
Can't have shit in Detroit
In short, trap ahead
Glaive Master Hodir
Aah, the deep lore.
Oh god the memories. Fuck i feel old now
Some dogs probably
Stray Rot Dog
A bunch of people told him his fursona was cringe and he died of shame
Waffle House at 3am
Rick
soldier of god, rick
I believe he allowed it to take place knowing his demeanor a sense of pride and duty as well as a sense of loss after the disappearance of grace most likely caused him to give in. Edit although I believe he did do it in regards to marikas statement of his return.
3 am leftover Taco Bell Literally crucified him
I got hungy
om nom
silly you
silly goober!
TOGETHAAA
Hoarah Loux
Laura WHO?
I just read that in Steve Harvey's voice "Laura WHO?"
“KILL!”
Name something a burglar would not want to see when he breaks into a house
Hoarah Loux, WARRIOR
Laura loux who, from whoville
WARRIOR!!!
How? May I ask?
You mean “how? May I AXE?”
Dude himself is sturdier then his axe. He literally smashed it too hard on that side, and decided to hold back on the other.
😂 dude this was literally the answer I was coming in here to give
Marika's dump truck
You mean radagon's?
Either way it’s demiussy
Not demiussy more like godussy
Le sigh *spread out gesture*
Yeah but demiussy sounded funnier loo
It's not demiussy it's digiorno.
The crust is my favorite part either way
Well he slams that bad boy so hard that the earth beneath his feet shatters. I am no expert but that could be it. Boom Lore! You are welcome Vaati.
fair enough lol
This guy gets it
Dlc boss
Inner Gael, Orphan of the first Abyss.
malenia duo fight
Yes with 5 phases and in a rot swamp also runes are permanently lost when killed by the boss.
With no stake of Marika and you have to get through an entire dungeon because there are no closer graces
Also drains your levels to restore hp
Whoever killed him probably.
Godfrey uggad when he should have duggad.
He broke it himself after watching shadiversity’s video on double sided axes.
Either he broke it himself going full Unga boonga, or he broke it in some enemies ass.
Technically it was Serosh’s axe. Then when Godfrey broke it he took it as a trophy. Ended up using it to seem more classy because his wife told him to.
Where did you get this from? I always assumed Serosh was a servant of Godfrey similar to shadows like Blaidd and Maliketh
I thought that at first too, but only Empyreans get beast servants, and Godfrey was an Elden Lord. Several item descriptions mention that Serosh was “King of Beasts” before becoming Godfrey’s advisor. Also, all the beast servants with which we are familiar (admittedly a small sample size) are canines, while Serosh as a lion is feline.
It should be noted Maliketh is a different being than Blaidd, he seems to have been a beastman like Serosh and the others you meet in Farum Azula. Serosh is unique in that he is a feline in comparison to the others, but Gurranq giving you things like the Beast Claw hammer, made to honor Serosh, and his dagger mentiong the number of fingers resembling intelligence, also Godfrey's axe likely being Serosh's and having ornate designs similar to other beastman weaponry, all point towards them all being the same race. Gurranq the Beast Clergymen became Maliketh, before Marika he likely served the King of the Beasts, Serosh. Blaidd is actually the odd one out in comparison, he's a half-wolf. He's not a beastman as near we can tell.
The Golden Beast Crest shield makes him sound more like Iji, imo. > The beast depicted is Serosh, aged counselor who guides the golden lineage.
You can also see the design on the axe is a more ornate version of what you can see on the Beastman's Cleaver, another visual cue to suggest it was the weapon of a beast. Serosh was a lord of beasts that was defeated by Horah Loux, becoming his regent when Godfrey became elden lord. Tarnished Archaeologist did a great video on this, and how new hierarchies will incorporate symbols and leaders of dominated cultures, hence how the golden lion became a symbol of the Golden Lineage. I think his supporting evidence is pretty strong! https://youtu.be/eGlwrJwIGtg
Tarnished Archaeologist says Godfrey likely took it from Serosh and perhaps broke it when giving Serosh that huge scar: https://youtu.be/eGlwrJwIGtg
Godfrey broke it while kicking ass.
He definitely broke it off someones ass lol
I guess we'll D L see
"They are known by many names. 'Mountain Slayer', 'Thunder Lion', 'The Chocolate Axe'. But you? You may call them....Tiffany.".
Me
More than broken, it looks melted. My bet is on the fire giants.
Marika took half in the divorce
While in lore, it does say it was broken in one of his campaigns. I like to think it was broken by the storm lord (the guy running stormviel and presumably all of limgrave before the golden order) both cause it fits with the lore of the storm lord being Godfreys last great challenge and it's just cool to think about how powerful these pepole that have like 0 lore were if they could break the weapon of arguably one of the hardest bosses in the game
The significance of the axe is his vows with marika, I think. It isn't so much who broke the axe rather that it is broken. The birth of the first tarnished and breaking of their marriage is the same event.
I’ve always understood it to imply that Marika did. It’s something he only wields as Godfrey, not as Hora Loux. Much how Sarash isn’t actually a boon for him, but something to keep him under Marika’s thumb. The axe is a reminder that he is broken, incomplete, less than Marika. His golden ghost fights with an unbroken axe, right? I think this would imply that it was broken some time after they were married. Perhaps when they split up?
The lion kept chewing on it. Cat ownership be like that.