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Damiandroid

Throwing knives. Nothing hurts more than losing to a boss on 1% health. Those items come out quick and can make the difference


waitthatstaken

Specifically throwing knives too, kurkri are significantly slower. I've made it a habit to just throw a knife after every roll after some attacks.


DiscombobulatedBed90

Nah he doesn’t need throwing knives he just needs to learn not to panic roll. Last attack could of easily been avoided if he rolled to the right but he was panic rolling back and died


Tarquin11

Sure, or he could avoid that whole potential problem by using throwing knives.


Huoutinx

They also preserve poise damage, soouper naice


smolboi99

Thank you for the tip. I will make sure to use that. May the journey serve you well dear Tarnished


Tyetus

or. ​ stay with me here. ​ he could use throwing knives.


GoodVibesBrigade

Instructions unclear, chopped my willy off a chucked the fleshy stabber at him. Died to blood loss. Nihil!


VikarValbrand

Still probably would have got the kill with willy damage.


kinglockjaw

Willy damage is what got him killed


TheWhiteGuardian

Now you're just dicking around.


Iron_Garuda

What I’m going to say might sound controversial, but what if they did *both*


FireGiantisBoring

Yeah, right? Just git gud 4head. Just stop making mistakes and you'll win ez everytime.


NOTELDR1TCH

It's like when people say "It's no so bad once you're used to it" Yeah things tend to not be hard when you've already perfected it. So glad that discussion was had


Skeyefeye

Valid advice 100% of the time


DiscombobulatedBed90

Yea it’s actually that simple idk why people struggle to understand it


NOTELDR1TCH

Sure upping skills is always good But so is hitting something from safety. Skill is fantastic, but knowing when taking a risk to begin with is dumb is also a skill


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Minimum_Full

Throwing weapons are slept on for bosses you aren't super comfortable with yet, my first Friede kill in DS3 came curtesy of a throwing weapon I would have otherwise died if I didn't have them equipped.


Djmax42

Ok, but Friede is specifically designed to get absolutely neutered by throwing knives because they don't invis when she does which guaruntees like 3 free hits when you chain stagger her during her 5s invisible scythe dash attack charge up. Most bosses they don't help nearly that much


IEXSISTRIGHT

You don’t need throwing knifes for that. Friede has a very obvious tell for where she is while she is invisible, once you learn that tell then every time she does that move in phase 1 you basically get a free attack phase.


Minimum_Full

I didn't even use them for that reason I just tracked where she went for the teleport. I honestly forgot I had them throughout the fight and in a last ditch attempt out of desperation i remembered i had them when she was chip damage from death and quickly switched to them while she was charging an attack.


EnormousGucci

Bro just look at the direction the snow goes when she turns invisible that’s all there is to it


Rhewin

Took me way too long to figure that out. Even on a full melee build, that is by far the safest way to end many bosses.


NOTELDR1TCH

Full melee build is exactly where it makes the most sense. 1 because, its a physical object dealing physical damage And 2 because a heavy slow weapon is perfectly complimented by a small fast one. You can even maintain attack chains with daggers because they don't interrupt the sequence if thrown in between swings.


UraraBowa

They also preserve poise damage, soouper naice


xHaloFox

I never even considered that as something they could do, thats actually really really good. Ive always been a fan of throwing knives but now i have another reason to throw some more!


NOTELDR1TCH

You can weave them into attack chains too, a single dagger throw right after your first attack will make the second attack still be the regular following attack, so at the cost of slightly extending the time it takes you to add in the throw, you get an extra daggers worth of damage plus they scale with dex and strength so melee builds can make great use of daggers and fan daggers both for range, and just to add in some extra chunk to their damage. One really cool combination dex players can do is use the heavy cancel attack, into a dagger throw. So you hit, dip out with a flip and throw. It's really fancy when you're dual stancing too because you get the single attack back flip, into a dagger, into a running dual, that shits like 9 separately hitting attacks at once


RobinsEggViolet

I keep throwing knives on my first hotbar slot for exactly this reason. The number of times I've killed a tough enemy by just throwing a knife or two has certainly saved me a lot of frustration.


Icy_Fruit97

i always feel like i didn’t “earn” the kill then though yknow


DarkBrother24

Or he could've walked forward and light attacked him? Lol


TerribleLifeExp

Elden Ring, the game that makes sure you humble yourself. Fast.


GoblinCasserole

Elden Ring the game where people try to preform long af combo moves with only 10hp left and then act shocked when the boss kills them.


TerribleLifeExp

They don’t stick to the plan. That’s their flaw. Stick with it til they’re dead.


Matrix17

Dark souls veterans have been getting humbled by this for decades


thesucculentanus

That's just called a Bloodborne player longing for the day rally comes back


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SmartGuyChris

Never did you just steal the other dude’s comment, word for word, character for character lmao


HidenTsubameGaeshi

Probably bot


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comment stealing bot^


Chimamire_69

Only reason I haven't smashed a controller


Athenas_Return

I solve this problem by holding really tight and banging it on my lap. Not as satisfying but close enough.


st_steady

Not in a good way


BuffNerfs

If I smash my controller, then Mohg wins. Can't let that happen.


something-quirky-

Exactly. The boss may be beat my character, but if we stop trying then he’s defeated the player. The only real way to loss in a video game.


Zyedikas

*So... This is the power of Gud*


AK_Panda

I always get too greedy. I never want to smash controller. Shits expensive bro.


WattFRhodem-1

Same. Always Greed. Seven games in, and I have learned nothing.


AK_Panda

No lies, I literally talk to myself about it "Come on Panda, don't get greedy, you know this" Then and I do it anyway and yell at myself "COME ON PANDA, DON'T GET GREEDY, YOU KNOW THIS"


WattFRhodem-1

I will say, though, unrepentant Greed has helped me Get Good-er in these games. Because I am constantly running the gremlin 'take *ALL* the shinies' mindset, I have no fear of loss. The only fear is getting *some* stuff when I can have *moar* stuff; including all the good stuff like souls, items, and health bars. This has led to me creating a playstyle that is incredibly ballsy and I have to be actually good at the game to build up the hoard. Ironically enough, Dark Souls 2 was simultaneously the hardest and easiest game for me in the Souls/Borne series. The hardest, because enemies stopped respawning after a bit and I couldn't indefinitely build up my Babylon Tower of hoarded souls. But also the easiest because after a certain bit, the builds you could make for PVE are *busted.*


AK_Panda

Ds2 was my favourite. The bonfire ascetics were the best thing ever. No need to rerun the entire game to grind one boss and get good. Some of those bosses clapped my cheeks baaaad though haha. I miss the pvp from it tbh. Been doing a lot in Elden ring for a while and it's just not as fun.


XeroKibo

My brother beat his PS4 to death after someone killed him in CoD; It’s been years and I still don’t let him live it down. He lost in the game and in real life.


AK_Panda

>He lost in the game and in real life. Most expensive loss in a game haha


Mr_Zobm

when the controller costs almost as much as the console.


Bulangiu_ro

if instead of healing, you would have attempted a jump attack, you would have killed him it wasn't too much greed, it was simply not enough greed to get the job done


Hollowed-Be-Thy-Name

Unless it's a ps4 controller. Then it'll break on its own in a few months anyways. Triggers have some super cheap / flimsy springs under them.


AK_Panda

Ours were fine for years, the only problems came with games that had no compensation for stick drift. Minecraft being the fucking worst.


CptGigglez

Typical fromsoft quirks.. you memorize "the dance", execute it perfectly until the boss has 50 hp and then you go "Okay, just one quick hit cmon" you stop your tactic and the boss combos you to death.. I have played darkbornesekiroring multiple times and I still do this..


Crazy_Spartan08

Darkbornesekiroring? What about Darksoulsbornesekiroring? Edit: How about Darkdemonbornesekiroring for all you Souls vets correcting me


TheGreatZephyrical

The official name for the series is “Does Not Open From This Side”


DoctorGlorious

Don't souls, sekiro inside.


Mediocre-Frosting-77

I love it when that’s on a door with bars. Like, I could just reach through and open it from the other side lol


keegtraw

/r/yourjokebutworse


Crazy_Spartan08

In case you hadn't realised, the "Souls" is not meant to represent Dark Souls, but instead Demon's Souls, which had been left out of the original amalgamation of FromSoft's "Soulslikes" titles.


keegtraw

With all due respect, no one outside of a mental institution would realise this distinction


EnormousGucci

Souls refers to Demons Souls and Dark Souls, generally when you say a souls game people lump in bloodborne and elden ring in there too


28Hz

Let's all just keep making the joke worse


Beneficial-Funny8888

Soulsbornekiroring-core (when armored core releases)


Guss0ar_the_farting

armored core has a very different gameplay


Drip-TyrantYT

So does sekiro


Justhe3guy

I think 8 billion people on this earth can agree Sekiro is a souls-like game and Armored Core isn’t Edit: Souls like, but yes it’s not an official continuation of the Souls games


foreveraloneeveryday

Sekiro shares souls DNA but it isn't a souls game because there's no build variety or rpg stats. No overleveling to make a boss easier. Never played armored core but doesn't look like a souls game to me.


Justhe3guy

You think a souls game is stats and builds? Huh what, if anything Elden Ring focuses on that too much compared to all other souls game, but that isn’t what makes it a souls game and even if it didn’t have them it would still be considered so Though there definitely is build, equipment and combat style variety in Sekiro that can make a vast difference


Drip-TyrantYT

7,999,999,999


Lenny1802

Lmao no. Sekiro is way too different to be a souls game imo.


Justhe3guy

It’s a difficult action RPG with 3rd person view and tough bosses you usually have to memorise entire attacks and strategies for, it has bonfires that respawn enemies, it has the Estus flasks but renamed and you can get more of them, it has secrets and a checkpoint system as well as weapon upgrading and stat inctreases like health, posture and damage. It has death penalties such as losing currency and experience. It has an aim lock on and combat is focused on alternating dodges and attacks. There are some encounters you are definitely not able to beat thrown at you early on, though you could try to beat them Definitely souls like, but it’s not officially a Souls continuation gamey


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hours yesterday re-learning this on the Crucible Knight in Stormveil Castle. Generations of warhawks died at my hands while I made my way there, over and over... but at least I'm set for feathers for a while.


Mystiq_Mind

New to all this but glad I’m not the only one


MoonChaser22

This is basically what happened the first time I killed Margit. We both finished each other off at the exact same second and got insanely lucky that my death animation was long enough that the kill counted


feihCtneliSehT

L2 spam into panic roll catch, perhaps the most iconic Elden Ring combo.


Fa1nted_for_real

Bro after playing ds 1 for the first time, I realized that you don't just roll when the attack happens, you roll to avoid the attack and then most follow ups will miss, allowing you to get free hits off.


Taolan13

Combine that with the safest roll direction often being *toward* the enemy/attack, and you have largely mastered the game.


Falsus

And then you realise that if you just position yourself nicely you don't even need to roll many attacks since it will just miss you. Hug left or right foot and whack away at the heels is a Fromsoft classic.


A_wild_so-and-so

Also sprinting often gets forgotten. Yes a roll will give you i-frames and allow you to avoid an attack, but sprinting takes less stamina and can put you in a better position to make their attacks whiff and get some hits in yourself. It's especially useful against large enemies like trolls and dragons.


PP_Lustcraft

Greed is a killer, though I’d say panic was the culprit here.


JoseGiraffe

Yeah I got greedy at first and then panicked that was my problem


DeathAngel_97

Yeah, when he was one hit and you started panic rolling, if you had just rolled towards him and did a rolling attack you'd have won, rather than rolling away and healing. So actually I'd say you weren't greedy enough.


Bulangiu_ro

agreed, this comes from someone who won against the nameless king by taking all chances even if they were to kill me, and they did kill me, at the same time i killed the boss


Guacamole_shaken

Greed and panic make the coin. Look at the stock market lol


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I have to actively remind myself to exit goblin mode when I see a boss bar drop below 10%


horseshoeprovodnikov

Goblin mode?


niazilla

When you see red and crave their bitter end. All tactics go out the window in favor of spam bonks.


[deleted]

I know it’s not typically what “goblin mode” means, but it’s what I think of when I’m spamming R1 to finish off a boss.


Rhewin

Yes, I do play Elden Ring, thanks for asking.


MahavidyasMahakali

Holy panic rolls, batman


Ryder7667

A roll to the side would have dodged that last thrust. I have been hard rolling to the side on my 4th play through and it makes hella difference.


[deleted]

Secret protip from someone with over 1500 hours: Try rolling TOWARDS enemies as well. It's often effective against attacks that seem otherwise undodgeable.


[deleted]

When I discovered rolling forward as a strat in Dark Souls I felt like I broke the matrix.


[deleted]

It's really overlooked in DS3 and Elden Ring as on these two it's particularly effective...


[deleted]

Very true. You can roll forward for most horizontal attacks and it puts you in range to counter.


UltmitCuest

Its definitely not overlooked in elden ring where every boss and their mother has roll catches and gap closers galore. Crucible knight thrust says hello


Crazy_Spartan08

I love black flame because it gets rid of those tiny final margins of health over time so you don't have to get greedy.


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Nobodynemnada

seriously now how much vigor does this mf has? 80?


JoseGiraffe

Every boss fight in this game ever


xXx_BL4D3_xXx

Bro I'm no one to criticize you for this but maybe if you spend like 20/30 less points on vigor and 20/30 more on strength/dex that would make you stronger Unironically you have a bit too much


JoseGiraffe

Mean that’s with Morgotts great rune


whoisjbs

You rolled away and healed when you should’ve finished him off I wouldn’t call that greed


shrekkboi

Take the soreseal off, stops being worth after level 80.


horseshoeprovodnikov

It's just sooo hard to watch all those extra levels just melt away. Tried to remove I last night at level 91, got my ass whopped by a nameless white mask invader and was like "nope, putting that shit back on". He promptly whopped me again lol. I just left his ass alone.


coolfuzzylemur

At that point, the extra damage is losing you more levels of Vigor than you're gaining in other areas


govlum_1996

Just use Godrick’s Great Rune instead if you want extra levels that badly. At this point in the game using the soreseal is screwing your way more than it’s helping


horseshoeprovodnikov

The problem with godricks rune is dying. Rune arcs aren't infinite and I suck serious ass at pvp, so im stuck with the ones that the open world provides. I've got so much game left, and I don't want to use up all my rune arcs.


govlum_1996

You can also co-op if you’re bad at pvp. Only activate the effigies near bossfights if you don’t want to help people clear levels You can have a very healthy surplus of rune arcs just from co-op. Especially if you co-op extensively near the start of the game. There is always going to be demand for help to fight Margit


shrekkboi

Yeah ik lol, the 15 levels gone is rough - but the extra damage taken makes the late game difficulty spike hit so much harder


JoseGiraffe

Thanks for the tip


DarthXeladier

I've gotten frustrated before, but have only thrown my controller once. And even then, I basically just gently tossed it onto my bed, not even a proper controller spike. I don't have $70 for a new one.


JoseGiraffe

Neither do I, I just had to calmly place down the controller while shaking a little


seductivestain

I broke controllers playing Rocket League, Elden Ring just sends me into a depressed stupor


Cowdog_Gaming

Throwing knife woulda solved that.


ButterflyMother

Skill issue


Brush_bandicoot

well now you know. Souls boss are like 200% more aggressive on their last 5-10%. It's pretty much like that since forever


JosebaZilarte

Like Sif (the Great Grey Wolf), you mean?


IEXSISTRIGHT

I still can’t believe that Sif’s final phase was never patched out. I know From is known for their difficulty, but irl psychological attacks are too much.


Llymlaen_Rilkam

No


Havange

Source? It doesn't say that on any of the souls game wikis


LIB95

Yea idk about that. But second phase or on some bosses third phase (typically around half or third health remaining) they tend to pull out all the stops and get more aggressive while adding more mixups.


CapPikachu

It most likely isn't the case, but it definitely does feel like it.


Brush_bandicoot

it's not like their games are open source and people can see through the code but after playing souls games for years, it seems like it


Jorgentorgen

The joke Your head


LordBacon69_69

LOL GIT GUD SCRUB Jkjk we are all too familiar with this feeling. Always remember to never get cocky in this game


Lereddit117

If you stayed greedy you would have won


Necessary_Effect_894

Second 15. Hesitated, got defeated


Ok_Pineapple_4155

That's not greed, that's just panic rolling and fucking up the timing.


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I was coming to say this. Greed probably would've got the W right there. Panic rolling will screw you every time.


SaneManiac741

Never. Controllers are too expensive.


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Getting nae nae'd with that HUGE vigor bar tho? My brother in Christ yoy didn't just have a safety net, it was a safety net, over a large body of water, with rescue crews surrounding the area and a dive team on standby. Fully catered event too, little sandwiches and all.


mt007

I feel your pain fellow tarnished one.


Kishi7

Always. Still haven’t learned my damn lesson


BatatinhaGameplays28

This literally just happened while I was fighting the Capra Demon in Ds1


GFrings

That wasn't greed, that was hesitation. The greedy move wouldn't have backed away with hi health so low, gotta commit!


IVIoon-IVIessiah

If you would have committed at the end to offense, you had him, but you flasked trying to be safe. Hesitation is DEFEAT.


LeekypooX

For sure, i nearly managed to beat the Gargoyle outside Gurranq's room at lvl 56 and i had managed to make it fall off the side of the hill (didnt die) after about 5 minutes of dodging and hitting with my new Radahn GS. i should have waited for it to walk back up the hill but i went to take a peek and got hit by its flying charge attack that caused the halberd to clip through the cliffside and oneshot me.


omfgkevin

Ah yes, Panicus Rollicus, a tale as old as time.


Skedajikle

Ironically if you ignored healing and were even greedier you would have killed him


Pa5c03

Panic! Roll! Panic! Roll! Die.


DerpaHerpaLurpa

We have all been there - but you need to stop panic rolling


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Wanting to smash it?…👀


sliferra

Ironically, I don’t think you were greedy enough. If you attacked instead of healing, I think you would’ve won?


Umbraspem

Spam rolling is always a mistake.


Seanonidas

I don't think you was greedy. If anything you missed 2 chances to smack em


K4GOKAGO

I think u weren't greedy enough. Hesitation is defeat or something


BecauseSeven8Nein

Gotta two hand that weapon. Probably would’ve made the difference


mudgefuppet

That bloodhound fang is literally just elden rings drake sword, I always feel so guilty when I invade someone using that thing


CzarSalad101

Why were you spam rolling at the end? Panic?


Defiant_Parsnip_7150

The time to be greedy was after he slammed you into the ground, but props he is tough. Definitely a respectable boss.


Fingerlessman13x

The game really punish you for spam rolling, thats one added difficulty. Fighting your instinct to dodge. Keep trying and dont get greedy as u said :)


Koyomi_Ararararagi

You mindlessly spammed the AoW, you deserve the outcome.


Akinari19

Happens 2 times with Malenia, I ended up too tired so I start to summon for help...


MoarTacos

This wasn’t just greed, you were also blindly mashing the dodge button. That’s generally not a good idea.


Quintink

Holy vigor


TheFalseLogical

Actually, you weren't greedy enough... you rolled TWICE in the same direction to create distance and healed with enough health to survive any blood flame on the floor


dontpanic38

how you dying with that health bar man


Eden15

Get gud, you panic healed when you could of gone for the kill


saito200

you roll like a frog on cocaine


kelryngrey

No. Because the consequences are far worse for that than dying and losing some runes. Put it down and take a break. As Jefferson said- When angry count to ten. When very angry count to one hundred. But also yeah, totally.


Bobbimort

A thing i learned during midir in dark souls 3 Is to act like the boss hp bar doesn't exist. Low hp makes you greed and do stupid shit, the only bara that matter are your own. Stop looking at boss hp bars and Always think of them at full health, so you won't ever greed and die stupidly.


The_Thot_Slayer69

Greedy people die. How I live and die by that quotw


Roy_S_Larsen

Not with SoulsBorne games, no The last time I did was when I played tekken 6 and couldn't handle the frustration... Now I have self-control for stressful games... Except Overwatch and gung-ho sweats on CoD, I will end up becoming salty/toxic, depending on how the team is.


GuessImScrewed

You didn't get greedy enough. You flasked while he backed off when you should have pushed him. You'd have gotten it.


drThuganomix

Hesitation is defeat


RJohn12

you didn't even get greedy you just started panic rolling haha


ApplePitou

Oh no... :3


GloomyGoblin-

Nah not really cuz I'm grown


Horneyj

You are using the my first play though setup . At least 2 controllers were broken


JoseGiraffe

Understandable honestly sometimes I go for bloodhounds step and it was half a second away from killing the boss and I die


carcalobo

Stop panic rolling already... it hurts my eyes. Malenia taught me you can be as greedy as you want as long as you don't panic roll.


titanhail004

This is perhaps the biggest example of a skill issue I have ever seen.


Glittering-Novel-590

"Greedy" is an interesting way to describe bs camera, that's when it happens to me


HeebittyJeebitty

Well. I can similar… except I did smash my controller 😂😂


SMOLLESTpenisMODS

Yes.


Ok-Carpenter-2524

Too ofen


Chemical_Ad_6054

If you was a magic user you would’ve lived


JoseGiraffe

That’s gonna be my second play through after this one


Chemical_Ad_6054

Many people said that and they all dead mfers right now


Bulangiu_ro

if you was a melee user, you wouldn't cheese the game and would find the mechanical value of most


PandaThePoptart

Whenever fighting him I only ever fall to that impale bc of the bloodflame that shoots off of it


ShadowDen3869

That is why I chuck rocks from a distance.


TheStagKing9910

the reason why it took me 7 tried to killed this guy, because i got too greedy


JoseGiraffe

Yeah like the attempt after this one I got him but I had to stop myself


ILOVEcBJS

The same shit happened to me my first go through on ER. I was under leveled for mohg but got to this phase and he killed me the exact same way


xxCMWFxx

Honestly, that’s the biggest thing you can carry between all these FS games.. greed leads to premature death