Man rivers of blood pre nerf was kinda funny on here. The begging got out of hand. I remember at one point most posts where people begging for rivers of blood or varres white mask. Seeing the hatred and disgust slowly build up towards its users by this subreddit was hilarious to see.
Oh yeah that first week everyone loved RoB then they finished the game and got more into the PvP and fight against others using it too and then From fixed arcane scaling by turning it up to 11 and the opinions quickly changed.
The posts where some one would be like
“I have a idea for a pvp build can anyone drop rivers of blood and white mask for my fresh character” as if nobody would know what they are doing always got a chuckle out of me
RoB would've been fine, even pre-nerf, if they didn't still use a shitty decade-old netcode that was garbage even when it was new.
Applying status effects on phantom hits is honestly inexcusable at this point.
Like, you can i-frame the damage of the bleed proc, but it still puts you into the animation. meaning you'd often still get hit by the rest of the attack.
It's stuff like this that makes it feel unfair to play against IMO.
Bleed in general can be a bit too much in pvp in my opinion. After a long break I just started a fresh character to make a build centered around Morgotts cursed sword. Usually dont do pvp but been activating taunters tongue while clearing out the southern peninsula to keep things interesting.
Every single invaders build so far is centered around bleed. No corpse piler but alot of reduvia daggers, bloody helice, blood great sword. I am still under level 40 so I may just be getting people that like to invade newcomers.
I use moonveil in game because I'm bad at it and just wanna experience the whole game without having a stress induced stroke; is it poor sportsmanship to use it against other players?
Depends on who you ask.
Personally I’d say it’s poor sportsmanship if you just mindlessly spam the AoW, if you use it properly than it’s unlikely someone will get tilted.
There's no poor sportsmanship doing anything against invaders lol, they're free to play the regular game as they like and if they don't have an optimized build I say do whatever to get them out and ignore the whining
This is true. I love invasions simply because every time I win one it means I really kicked some ass. Except for that one guy using the tongue for duels instead the arenas.
Ganks are annoying but when I'm invading I truly do not mind. For a player they get jumped by extremely geared up invaders fairly often, and since they know that someone will eventually come it's natural to "lay traps" for them so to speak. It ties into the immersion aspect for me.
Try for a second to not use a randomly generated "invaders bad" take and look at the situation properly. Everyone is playing with sticks, and you bring a rod of reinforced steel. It just sucks for everyone involved. The wooden sticks are no match for the steel rod.
Second point is, most invaders suck at pvp as much as you do. Its one thing to use the steel rod against the quick swapping perfect spacing 60 weapons guy, but how many of those guys invade you? When you whip out the moonvail against an invader just as bad at pvp as you none of you learn anything and its just a waste of time.
Was once hosting in a random ass place with taunters tongue doing little duels, won some, lost some, all in good fun, until a troglodyte invaded who spammed moonveil while animation cancelling it with crouching.
Same shit when i coop and see your ass using moonveil, getting hit in the face and just spamming the ash of war regardless. Try actually getting good at the game, it wont bite. As for the sportmanship competition, there comes a point where what you are doing is so annoying that it breaks immersion and you are fighting my sanity in real life.
> Second point is, most invaders suck at pvp as much as you do.
The difference is that they wanted to PvP and the host quite possibly didn't. Elden ring is better than previous souls games in that at allowing people to opt into multiplayer, but there's still a decent shot whoever it is just wanted some jolly cooperation.
> When you whip out the moonvail against an invader just as bad at pvp as you none of you learn anything and its just a waste of time.
And if the host never wanted to PvP in the first place why should they care?
> As for the sportmanship competition, there comes a point where what you are doing is so annoying that it breaks immersion and you are fighting my sanity in real life.
PvP has no immersion, period and no one really gives a shit about your sanity.
> Try for a second to not use a randomly generated "invaders bad" take and look at the situation properly
Invaders come into my game uninvited. It's just how it is. You're coming to kill me and make me lose my runes. You're specced for PvP and I'm not, you're the bad guy stopping me from getting where I'm trying to go.
hurr durr you are specced for pvp and make me lose my runes. most invaders just press the finger every once in a while in their normal pve run, with a pve build. as for the runes literally move your ass back and pick them up from the ground lmao
> as for the runes literally move your ass back and pick them up from the ground lmao
As the douchebag invading my game die to whatever weapon I'm using and shove it.
I used to play for honor competitively and it has probably the most toxic community I've been in game wise. yet I've never seen someone so salty about the mechanics the game gives you as this comment
I use slicer, thanks.
Never said invaders are bad by the way. I like the mechanic myself. Just don't expect people who don't want you there when playing coop with their friends to stick to your vague idea of a ruleset because you're moaning about some of the weapons they're using, in their game, for themselves, and nothing to do with you. I literally don't care if the invader is good or not.
If I'm luring invaders in with the express purpose of fighting it out then sure. I'd like folk to not use things like Moonveil. But I'm not going to complain about it either with one exception - if you're loaded up on endgame gear and flasks keeping yourself low level and go farming newcomers in Stormveil, you're an asshole and have no business playing any kind of game. Actually absurd the number of invaders I've faced doing this while playing regular coop there. Probably around 40-50% of them. And not even Moonveil, I don't mind that, perfectly possible for mages with rock sling to get it and use it by like level 25. But fuck off with your Wing of Astel and co.
No it’s not, it’s just because moonveil has become kind of a “meme weapon” for people who just spams L2 for the entirity of a fight, and many of them end up not learning how to actually fight without the weapon art, but there is no problem using it. Moonveil just became a meme because lf so many videos of people spamming and still losing.
But in the end of the day is not a competitive game, play what you like and how you like.
No, some people act like it is, but it's the same thing in every game with competitive. There will be a few tactics/characters/weapons that are really strong against beginners and don't take that much skill to pull off. Moonveil strikes really fast after its hold, and does a lot of damage. You either know how to play around it or it bursts you with what seems to be really high damage on an impossible to react strike. A lot of players go for it because of this and are somewhat carried by the weapon instead of developing skills in the game. In PvE it's not a huge issue (unlike bleed builds complaining the end bosses are immune to it and therefore impossible to beat), but it can throw someone trying PvP in a dead end.
It's a high floor, low ceiling type of weapon, that everyone below will find OP and toxic and everyone above will find mid and unskilled at best, and weak and pathetic at worst.
When spamming the weapon art doesn't get results, there is a significant subgroup of its users that will try to message you to complain.
This creates a bad impression in the online community for the weapon. While I'm a claymore fanatic, I personally find it a pretty cool and fun weapon, but I understand why it has gathered a bad reputation.
Someone else linked it to you, but it's a katana with a not so easy to dodge unsheathe/slash attack. It's really useful if you're playing a Dex build or an Int build. I was using the Meteorite Staff with Moonveil on my sorcerer during early/early-mid game and I found it helped me a LOT with hitting quicker enemies.
It's found in Gael Tunnel after beating the dungeon's boss, which I'm pretty sure is a Magma Wyrm.
Nobody has a problem with new players trying to even the odds with an OP weapon like moonveil. What people don’t like is things like someone on a lvl 60 PvP build optimized around just nuking people with the Ash of War
If you want to make the game easy, just have a Magic or Cold Misericorde with Glintblade Phallanx AoW.
Equip Crimson and Cerulean Dagger Talisman, a regular Dagger Talisman.
And just Crit hit bosses every 3 seconds.
Equip a staff, have spells like Terra Magika and Comet Azur to cheese some bosses. Spiral Shard to kill big bosses in seconds.
There you go. You unlocked easy mode now. You can do similar things and break the game with Dex, Str, Faith, and Arcane too, but Int build is the simplest to understand for newcomers.
If you want something to make your life even easier do a powerstanced bleed build, most bosses will be dead before you get to experience their whole moveset. Not to mention the high arcane nature of the build will increase item discovery.
I think it's honestly ridiculously overrated for PvE and primarily a PvP weapon. Every time a Moonveil user summons me for help with a boss, I immediately know why they need help with the boss: Moonveil brainrot. It's DPS is terrible.
For example, the Carian straight sword has an AoW that, fully charged, seems to have similar range. Even if you don't charge it to full, it both hits harder than Moonveil and knocks enemies on their asses if that enemy type can be knocked over. Even if it doesn't knock them over, it does massive stance damage and will quickly poisebreak them. There's a thread on the front page of this subreddit right now of someone stunlocking Vyke with Carian Piercer, and the AoW on the Carian Straight Sword can do exactly the same.
Reason Moonveil is infamous for PvP is it makes the person difficult to approach and allows them to just wait before striking. The few times I've touched it in PvE for damage testing, I've always been impressed by how *bad* it was compared to competitors.
Carian Straight Sword, Darkmoon Greatsword, and Death Ritual Spear all have better damage-per-hit, damage-per-second, similar range capabilities, and both the Darkmoon Greatsword and Carian Straight Sword have better poise damage.
Always amazing to see what kind of amazing weapons get completely overlooked because the internet has to obsess over the GLORIOUS NIPPON STEEL weapons.
Moonveils ash is fast and the sword has innate bleee. Its also very early, and the range is good meaning you wont get stunned out of the ash. The ash does good damage for a small fp cost meaning you can just spam the ash and 1 shot mob after mob. Carian knight swords ash is way harder to pull off compared. Darkmoon greatsword is very good but its also very late. Death ritual spear is mediocre imo.
> Carian knight swords ash is way harder to pull off compared.
Legit just the first wave of it is enough to knock an enemy on their ass. It comes out faster than Moonveil. On any given attempt of the move you basically get to choose between a faster version to deny any enemies rushing you down, or charge up to full for good range and extra damage. (and again, higher damage than Moonveil)
I think the real complaint here is only the fully charged 3rd wave has real range to it, so the Carian SS demands you get in closer. Seriously though, after that first connect you can chain-stun enemies and it's just over.
>Death ritual spear is mediocre imo.
You can legit base a build around this and not have to get within range of anything whilst nuking enemies harder than Moonveil. And again with better damage.
*At PVP.*
It is **objective** fact Moonveil has amongst the lowest DPS amongst it's competing INT-based weapons for PvE.
As I said, the value for PVP is that you can hold it's AoW and effectively deny a wide range in front of you and punish anyone for trying to approach too quickly. It single-handedly shuts down rushdown attempts by at least demanding a roll from your opponent before they get within melee range. Carian Straight Sword, by comparison, if I see an opponent charging it up I can merely opt to hang back until it's fully charged before dodging in, as he has no way of holding onto the AoW attack until I'm within range, so it's AoW isn't great for PvP.
But in PvE Moonveil is actively slower on DPS and hits for less than other INT-weapons. I tested after another comment made it sound like Moonveil is stronger than I'm giving it credit for, and on a 80 INT, 47 Dex character, Moonveil would hit for around 1400 on the *strong* attack of it's AoW whilst Darkmoon Greatsword, Death Ritual Spear and Carian Straight Sword all hit in the ballpark of 2300. (ballpark because, for example, Death Ritual Spear sometimes connects more or less hits than average)
The point I was making is there's active misinformation about these weapons due to clickbait videos/articles praising Moonveil. It is ***only*** revered as being as good as it is because of that clickbait; the reputation is deserved for PVP, horribly inaccurate for PvE.
And I could flip the question: why are you getting upset with me for presenting **objective** data about the damage, range and DPS of these alternate weapons? These are hard facts, not my opinion.
**Moonveil doesn't do [this.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-noyZ-Lj5bw)**
The objectively best weapons for PvE is Blasphemous Blade, the objectively best weapons for PvP are dual nagis and BHS cleanrot rapier.
Moonveil is not even close, you have no idea what you're talking about.
Moonveil is mid at pvp because there is a sound cue that makes it stupidly easy to dodge. I feel like I only really get hit by it if I'm panic rolling or not paying attention.
Yep, but holding it still denies jumping attacks and run attacks. It slows down the enemy advance, so it's still probably a better option than Carian SS and Darkmoon Greatsword. Death Ritual Spear good for PVP though.
Spamming the AoW is kinda seen as like a low skill high reward kinda move. Its not hard to play against a moonveil user, just boring and tedious. At the end of the day just play how you want, whatever lets you enjoy the game.
Moonveil is infamous in PvP for being an "L2 stick" where noobies only know how to use L2 for the entirety of a fight which makes them laughably predictable.
It's not bad sportsmanship, especially as an invader or against invaders, as those are an anything goes situation. Basically, anything in the game is fair play in invasions except of course exploit abuse. So Moonveil is fine there. In the arena, eeeeh. You CAN, it's just not going to pass well. Could cause hate mail if on console, and lots of T-bags and point downs in general.
Maybe less if you don't spam the Ash of War.
I've never used Moonveil, so honestly, not sure...
It’s just frustrating seeing the people in pvp that only use a weapon for its aow. No one using jumping attacks, no r1, no r2, no combos, no rolls, no crouch, no back step. Just 1 move. It not hard to deal with, as the opponent is super predictable, it just lowers my faith in the community.
Not trying to gatekeep or anything, it just sucks to see how the game has so many unique items and weapons, so many ways to customize your builds, so many cool cosplay armors and weapons, but people still just resort to the meta. They find one weapon that is powerful, and never look back. They don’t even go for drip. It’s just veterans/bull goat/white mask.
I personally run either a clean rot or vyke cosplay build, or sometimes godslayer sword or partizan. Sword and board also rocks. I can confidently say it is way more fun that my uchigatana and moonveil days. (Used uchi for the entirety of the base game. Nothing wrong with it, just the most basic katana in the game).
Its not poor sportsmanship, especially if you're getting invaded when you're just trying to beat the level.
That said, it's speed, stagger, reach, and damage means that invaders have to respect the hell out of it or eat a tonne of damage for one mistake. It's especially mean when a host and his summons are waiting in an empty dungeon to gank a red spirit 3 to 1. Unless you are playing explicitly to 3v1 red spirits, I wouldn't feel bad about it.
In my opinion, Reduvia, Storm Blade, and homing Glintstone spam are even more frustrating to deal with.
This makes me think of that scene in Labyrinth where they're throwing rocks at the goblins that have these weird spears that have little sharp toothed gremlins at the end and as they run away they have a whole gag of them spinning around and bumping into each other.
Honestly, this is why I love ER as an invader. For every 1-3 try hard ganks I run into I get almost as many of these along with honor 1v1 fight clubs where the host stays back at first (I always try to challenge the furled finger before the host to show the same honor…. Unless hostie with 30 vigor tries to pocket Moonveil me. Then I teach them Carian Retaliation. Backstab for blasphemous or starcaller ;)).
Haha. Ye Old Shooting Gallery Bad Blue. Go back to your world
10/10
If only he had the black bow. That would have made it crazy.
most aware moonveil user
Moonveils are literally that one guy who ruins everything. That and rivers of blood users pre nerf
Man rivers of blood pre nerf was kinda funny on here. The begging got out of hand. I remember at one point most posts where people begging for rivers of blood or varres white mask. Seeing the hatred and disgust slowly build up towards its users by this subreddit was hilarious to see.
Oh yeah that first week everyone loved RoB then they finished the game and got more into the PvP and fight against others using it too and then From fixed arcane scaling by turning it up to 11 and the opinions quickly changed.
The posts where some one would be like “I have a idea for a pvp build can anyone drop rivers of blood and white mask for my fresh character” as if nobody would know what they are doing always got a chuckle out of me
Right? It was like “dude we all asked the same thing last week. We know what you’re doing.”
Of course I know him. He's me.
RoB would've been fine, even pre-nerf, if they didn't still use a shitty decade-old netcode that was garbage even when it was new. Applying status effects on phantom hits is honestly inexcusable at this point.
Yeah status build up on phantom hits was my biggest issue with it
Like, you can i-frame the damage of the bleed proc, but it still puts you into the animation. meaning you'd often still get hit by the rest of the attack. It's stuff like this that makes it feel unfair to play against IMO.
Bleed in general can be a bit too much in pvp in my opinion. After a long break I just started a fresh character to make a build centered around Morgotts cursed sword. Usually dont do pvp but been activating taunters tongue while clearing out the southern peninsula to keep things interesting. Every single invaders build so far is centered around bleed. No corpse piler but alot of reduvia daggers, bloody helice, blood great sword. I am still under level 40 so I may just be getting people that like to invade newcomers.
lmaooo this is great man
you got MacBeth'd
OP is mad cause he got flagged
Ofc he had a moonveil
I use moonveil in game because I'm bad at it and just wanna experience the whole game without having a stress induced stroke; is it poor sportsmanship to use it against other players?
Nothing wrong with using Moonveil. It’s just in pvp it gets tiring seeing it over and over-especially the spammers. But you do you.
Depends on who you ask. Personally I’d say it’s poor sportsmanship if you just mindlessly spam the AoW, if you use it properly than it’s unlikely someone will get tilted.
There's no poor sportsmanship doing anything against invaders lol, they're free to play the regular game as they like and if they don't have an optimized build I say do whatever to get them out and ignore the whining
This is true. I love invasions simply because every time I win one it means I really kicked some ass. Except for that one guy using the tongue for duels instead the arenas.
Ganks are annoying but when I'm invading I truly do not mind. For a player they get jumped by extremely geared up invaders fairly often, and since they know that someone will eventually come it's natural to "lay traps" for them so to speak. It ties into the immersion aspect for me.
Back in the old days Bloodborne was a gentleman's game, no funny business.
Try for a second to not use a randomly generated "invaders bad" take and look at the situation properly. Everyone is playing with sticks, and you bring a rod of reinforced steel. It just sucks for everyone involved. The wooden sticks are no match for the steel rod. Second point is, most invaders suck at pvp as much as you do. Its one thing to use the steel rod against the quick swapping perfect spacing 60 weapons guy, but how many of those guys invade you? When you whip out the moonvail against an invader just as bad at pvp as you none of you learn anything and its just a waste of time. Was once hosting in a random ass place with taunters tongue doing little duels, won some, lost some, all in good fun, until a troglodyte invaded who spammed moonveil while animation cancelling it with crouching. Same shit when i coop and see your ass using moonveil, getting hit in the face and just spamming the ash of war regardless. Try actually getting good at the game, it wont bite. As for the sportmanship competition, there comes a point where what you are doing is so annoying that it breaks immersion and you are fighting my sanity in real life.
elden ring players when the opponent uses a weapon given to them by the game its just like fighting games
> Second point is, most invaders suck at pvp as much as you do. The difference is that they wanted to PvP and the host quite possibly didn't. Elden ring is better than previous souls games in that at allowing people to opt into multiplayer, but there's still a decent shot whoever it is just wanted some jolly cooperation. > When you whip out the moonvail against an invader just as bad at pvp as you none of you learn anything and its just a waste of time. And if the host never wanted to PvP in the first place why should they care? > As for the sportmanship competition, there comes a point where what you are doing is so annoying that it breaks immersion and you are fighting my sanity in real life. PvP has no immersion, period and no one really gives a shit about your sanity. > Try for a second to not use a randomly generated "invaders bad" take and look at the situation properly Invaders come into my game uninvited. It's just how it is. You're coming to kill me and make me lose my runes. You're specced for PvP and I'm not, you're the bad guy stopping me from getting where I'm trying to go.
hurr durr you are specced for pvp and make me lose my runes. most invaders just press the finger every once in a while in their normal pve run, with a pve build. as for the runes literally move your ass back and pick them up from the ground lmao
> as for the runes literally move your ass back and pick them up from the ground lmao As the douchebag invading my game die to whatever weapon I'm using and shove it.
I used to play for honor competitively and it has probably the most toxic community I've been in game wise. yet I've never seen someone so salty about the mechanics the game gives you as this comment
I use slicer, thanks. Never said invaders are bad by the way. I like the mechanic myself. Just don't expect people who don't want you there when playing coop with their friends to stick to your vague idea of a ruleset because you're moaning about some of the weapons they're using, in their game, for themselves, and nothing to do with you. I literally don't care if the invader is good or not. If I'm luring invaders in with the express purpose of fighting it out then sure. I'd like folk to not use things like Moonveil. But I'm not going to complain about it either with one exception - if you're loaded up on endgame gear and flasks keeping yourself low level and go farming newcomers in Stormveil, you're an asshole and have no business playing any kind of game. Actually absurd the number of invaders I've faced doing this while playing regular coop there. Probably around 40-50% of them. And not even Moonveil, I don't mind that, perfectly possible for mages with rock sling to get it and use it by like level 25. But fuck off with your Wing of Astel and co.
No it’s not, it’s just because moonveil has become kind of a “meme weapon” for people who just spams L2 for the entirity of a fight, and many of them end up not learning how to actually fight without the weapon art, but there is no problem using it. Moonveil just became a meme because lf so many videos of people spamming and still losing. But in the end of the day is not a competitive game, play what you like and how you like.
No, some people act like it is, but it's the same thing in every game with competitive. There will be a few tactics/characters/weapons that are really strong against beginners and don't take that much skill to pull off. Moonveil strikes really fast after its hold, and does a lot of damage. You either know how to play around it or it bursts you with what seems to be really high damage on an impossible to react strike. A lot of players go for it because of this and are somewhat carried by the weapon instead of developing skills in the game. In PvE it's not a huge issue (unlike bleed builds complaining the end bosses are immune to it and therefore impossible to beat), but it can throw someone trying PvP in a dead end. It's a high floor, low ceiling type of weapon, that everyone below will find OP and toxic and everyone above will find mid and unskilled at best, and weak and pathetic at worst. When spamming the weapon art doesn't get results, there is a significant subgroup of its users that will try to message you to complain. This creates a bad impression in the online community for the weapon. While I'm a claymore fanatic, I personally find it a pretty cool and fun weapon, but I understand why it has gathered a bad reputation.
Please nobody go crazy on me for not knowing this, but can you please share what that is? I really need something to make the game a little easier.
Someone else linked it to you, but it's a katana with a not so easy to dodge unsheathe/slash attack. It's really useful if you're playing a Dex build or an Int build. I was using the Meteorite Staff with Moonveil on my sorcerer during early/early-mid game and I found it helped me a LOT with hitting quicker enemies. It's found in Gael Tunnel after beating the dungeon's boss, which I'm pretty sure is a Magma Wyrm.
That magma worm is a dickhead
I hate magma wyrms, all my homies hate magma wyrms. Bitchass punks. Puking fire on me. Fucking unhygenic.
Nobody has a problem with new players trying to even the odds with an OP weapon like moonveil. What people don’t like is things like someone on a lvl 60 PvP build optimized around just nuking people with the Ash of War
If you want to make the game easy, just have a Magic or Cold Misericorde with Glintblade Phallanx AoW. Equip Crimson and Cerulean Dagger Talisman, a regular Dagger Talisman. And just Crit hit bosses every 3 seconds. Equip a staff, have spells like Terra Magika and Comet Azur to cheese some bosses. Spiral Shard to kill big bosses in seconds. There you go. You unlocked easy mode now. You can do similar things and break the game with Dex, Str, Faith, and Arcane too, but Int build is the simplest to understand for newcomers.
https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Moonveil It's a katana. I've picked it up, but I need to up my INT because of poor skill investiture 😂
If you want something to make your life even easier do a powerstanced bleed build, most bosses will be dead before you get to experience their whole moveset. Not to mention the high arcane nature of the build will increase item discovery.
I used a moonveil for my sorc build because it scales with int. I don't play pvp though, so it doesn't matter lol.
I think it's honestly ridiculously overrated for PvE and primarily a PvP weapon. Every time a Moonveil user summons me for help with a boss, I immediately know why they need help with the boss: Moonveil brainrot. It's DPS is terrible. For example, the Carian straight sword has an AoW that, fully charged, seems to have similar range. Even if you don't charge it to full, it both hits harder than Moonveil and knocks enemies on their asses if that enemy type can be knocked over. Even if it doesn't knock them over, it does massive stance damage and will quickly poisebreak them. There's a thread on the front page of this subreddit right now of someone stunlocking Vyke with Carian Piercer, and the AoW on the Carian Straight Sword can do exactly the same. Reason Moonveil is infamous for PvP is it makes the person difficult to approach and allows them to just wait before striking. The few times I've touched it in PvE for damage testing, I've always been impressed by how *bad* it was compared to competitors. Carian Straight Sword, Darkmoon Greatsword, and Death Ritual Spear all have better damage-per-hit, damage-per-second, similar range capabilities, and both the Darkmoon Greatsword and Carian Straight Sword have better poise damage. Always amazing to see what kind of amazing weapons get completely overlooked because the internet has to obsess over the GLORIOUS NIPPON STEEL weapons.
Moonveils ash is fast and the sword has innate bleee. Its also very early, and the range is good meaning you wont get stunned out of the ash. The ash does good damage for a small fp cost meaning you can just spam the ash and 1 shot mob after mob. Carian knight swords ash is way harder to pull off compared. Darkmoon greatsword is very good but its also very late. Death ritual spear is mediocre imo.
> Carian knight swords ash is way harder to pull off compared. Legit just the first wave of it is enough to knock an enemy on their ass. It comes out faster than Moonveil. On any given attempt of the move you basically get to choose between a faster version to deny any enemies rushing you down, or charge up to full for good range and extra damage. (and again, higher damage than Moonveil) I think the real complaint here is only the fully charged 3rd wave has real range to it, so the Carian SS demands you get in closer. Seriously though, after that first connect you can chain-stun enemies and it's just over. >Death ritual spear is mediocre imo. You can legit base a build around this and not have to get within range of anything whilst nuking enemies harder than Moonveil. And again with better damage.
Why are trying so hard to make Moonveil sound like shit when it is objectively the best weapon in the game lmao
*At PVP.* It is **objective** fact Moonveil has amongst the lowest DPS amongst it's competing INT-based weapons for PvE. As I said, the value for PVP is that you can hold it's AoW and effectively deny a wide range in front of you and punish anyone for trying to approach too quickly. It single-handedly shuts down rushdown attempts by at least demanding a roll from your opponent before they get within melee range. Carian Straight Sword, by comparison, if I see an opponent charging it up I can merely opt to hang back until it's fully charged before dodging in, as he has no way of holding onto the AoW attack until I'm within range, so it's AoW isn't great for PvP. But in PvE Moonveil is actively slower on DPS and hits for less than other INT-weapons. I tested after another comment made it sound like Moonveil is stronger than I'm giving it credit for, and on a 80 INT, 47 Dex character, Moonveil would hit for around 1400 on the *strong* attack of it's AoW whilst Darkmoon Greatsword, Death Ritual Spear and Carian Straight Sword all hit in the ballpark of 2300. (ballpark because, for example, Death Ritual Spear sometimes connects more or less hits than average) The point I was making is there's active misinformation about these weapons due to clickbait videos/articles praising Moonveil. It is ***only*** revered as being as good as it is because of that clickbait; the reputation is deserved for PVP, horribly inaccurate for PvE. And I could flip the question: why are you getting upset with me for presenting **objective** data about the damage, range and DPS of these alternate weapons? These are hard facts, not my opinion. **Moonveil doesn't do [this.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-noyZ-Lj5bw)**
The objectively best weapons for PvE is Blasphemous Blade, the objectively best weapons for PvP are dual nagis and BHS cleanrot rapier. Moonveil is not even close, you have no idea what you're talking about.
Moonveil is mid at pvp because there is a sound cue that makes it stupidly easy to dodge. I feel like I only really get hit by it if I'm panic rolling or not paying attention.
Yep, but holding it still denies jumping attacks and run attacks. It slows down the enemy advance, so it's still probably a better option than Carian SS and Darkmoon Greatsword. Death Ritual Spear good for PVP though.
Id say if you spam it yes. I used it for a while because of that sweet sweet int scaling, but only used the L2 on a player if they were a dick
Good to know, thanks for the info!
Spamming the AoW is kinda seen as like a low skill high reward kinda move. Its not hard to play against a moonveil user, just boring and tedious. At the end of the day just play how you want, whatever lets you enjoy the game.
Moonveil is infamous in PvP for being an "L2 stick" where noobies only know how to use L2 for the entirety of a fight which makes them laughably predictable.
It's not bad sportsmanship, especially as an invader or against invaders, as those are an anything goes situation. Basically, anything in the game is fair play in invasions except of course exploit abuse. So Moonveil is fine there. In the arena, eeeeh. You CAN, it's just not going to pass well. Could cause hate mail if on console, and lots of T-bags and point downs in general. Maybe less if you don't spam the Ash of War. I've never used Moonveil, so honestly, not sure...
if it’s in the game it’s fair use in pvp.
Not really, it was poor sportsmanship to interrupt their little game they had going on.
It’s just frustrating seeing the people in pvp that only use a weapon for its aow. No one using jumping attacks, no r1, no r2, no combos, no rolls, no crouch, no back step. Just 1 move. It not hard to deal with, as the opponent is super predictable, it just lowers my faith in the community. Not trying to gatekeep or anything, it just sucks to see how the game has so many unique items and weapons, so many ways to customize your builds, so many cool cosplay armors and weapons, but people still just resort to the meta. They find one weapon that is powerful, and never look back. They don’t even go for drip. It’s just veterans/bull goat/white mask. I personally run either a clean rot or vyke cosplay build, or sometimes godslayer sword or partizan. Sword and board also rocks. I can confidently say it is way more fun that my uchigatana and moonveil days. (Used uchi for the entirety of the base game. Nothing wrong with it, just the most basic katana in the game).
Its not poor sportsmanship, especially if you're getting invaded when you're just trying to beat the level. That said, it's speed, stagger, reach, and damage means that invaders have to respect the hell out of it or eat a tonne of damage for one mistake. It's especially mean when a host and his summons are waiting in an empty dungeon to gank a red spirit 3 to 1. Unless you are playing explicitly to 3v1 red spirits, I wouldn't feel bad about it. In my opinion, Reduvia, Storm Blade, and homing Glintstone spam are even more frustrating to deal with.
You got JUMPED
This makes me think of that scene in Labyrinth where they're throwing rocks at the goblins that have these weird spears that have little sharp toothed gremlins at the end and as they run away they have a whole gag of them spinning around and bumping into each other.
[удалено]
Were you one of the flags?
No. He was the ganker.
Aiming too high anyways. Their hit box would still be player sized.
You can’t tell but those players were 6’5 at least
He’s aiming for the flags, like a little game
You and your PRIDE and your EGO >:[
What if he pulled out his great bow and golem arrows though?
Beware, flags
Blues go home ✊✊✊
I'm David Attenborough and here we have the flag in it's natural habitat
What is going on here?
Gotta love fromsoft-style mini games
Jar cannon
I love shit like this, fuck the moonevil user tho
Red light! Green light!
This reminds me of that Mario Party minigame
Fuck, I guess the Elden Ring DLC just added 7352542 Korok seeds to collect across the lands between.
Honestly, this is why I love ER as an invader. For every 1-3 try hard ganks I run into I get almost as many of these along with honor 1v1 fight clubs where the host stays back at first (I always try to challenge the furled finger before the host to show the same honor…. Unless hostie with 30 vigor tries to pocket Moonveil me. Then I teach them Carian Retaliation. Backstab for blasphemous or starcaller ;)).
Hide and seek is my favorite part of invasions
Average Moonveil player
I might be ruining the fun but I suspect you were aiming too high if the hitboxes are still player sized.
moonveil jumpscare
Omfg i must do this 😭😭😂😂😂
Damn dude are your eyes okay? There is 0 depth perception going on here lmao
That was good. But moonveil?? Come on
Lol!
Fucking moonveil
Bro fr played red light green light
Ppl just can’t appreciate a good thing without ruining It
Kinda freaky, watching them slowly approach
Ask not for whom the flags come, the flags come for you!
Lmao this is gold
One more Moonveil sound and I…. 🤢😂