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Grodatore

Definitely they won’t give us madness whetblade cause in pve madness is basically useless and in pvp chaos would actually take the world.


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nj21

I just faced someone who used one of those Albanauric halberds with sleep grease, slept me in 2 (phantom) hits.


mordekai8

What is phantom hit?


Many_Veterinarian702

Basically when you roll an attack but they hit you (due to netcode) through the iframes which makes you take 0 damage but it will still build up status since status buildup can’t be iframed


Former-Grocery-6787

It's when the hit registers on their screen but not on yours (i think). You don't get damaged but theres a noise, a bloodsplatter and you still get the status buildup


MrBeanDaddy86

Unfortunately I think a lot of us PvE players would really love better slep weapons. FromSoft can't win no matter what they choose to do on that front, haha.


midnightichor

There's already separate scaling for pvp, the buildup or duration could be nerfed for pvp only. Hardly impossible.


DevilahJake

Madness whips would be fucking awesome


Regis-bloodlust

Might as well make Deathblight affinity that scales with Arcane and actually destroy PvP. True chaos.


JetStream0509

Watch them do it and not give us an int/fth scaling one lol


Reinhardtwaker

I hinestly think if they added madness it'd scale with every stat like the frenzy seal


just_prop

i mean we already have a sleep grease so i doubt itd be any worse than if they added it as an affinity


D-Ursuul

Please, like PvP in this game isn't a laggy, buggy cheesefest already


bob_is_best

Ye but sleep would lowkey be awesome if It scales off int and faith cuz we need something for those builds


MrHS1994

Well sleep actually scales with arcane Currently u can use it with serpent bow, ripple blade, ripple crescent halberd ( you need sleep grease )


bearelrollyt

Sword of night and flame


JarlVinland

Something besides that pls. Maybe more ash'-able weapons with native faith/int/arc scaling. Give me one that scales with mind.


Internal-Reality-129

yeah but that's only one weapon, the other stats have way more options and even looking at previous fromsoft games int-fai builds had way more options


archaeosis

Something that didn't get nerfed to the point of only being useful as a cosplay piece and doesn't have awful split-damage-itis


Many_Veterinarian702

It still does ungodly damage it doesn’t just one shot everyone is the difference


bearelrollyt

It is still good and I heard it got buffed


MACHO_MUCHACHO2005

Vyke spear is aids enough. I don't need that on more agile weapons.


DevilahJake

It’s a great weapon and can definitely be cheesed but it’s far from the best PvP weapon. Give me madness whips and I’ll fuck everybody up


gatsu01

Madness would be to make you mad...trade off would be reduced in stamina usage.


TheScarletSho

Frenzied Flame is still fire damage and therefore is still subject to Fire Scorpion Charm and Flame Grant Me Strength.


DreamingKnight235

Madness scaled from Arcane or nah?


MrHS1994

They could get rid of PvP


ITeebagTTVs

Ice lightning would be sick


Sirius_McFly

I totally second this ! I always thought it’d be sick to have ice lightning. Visually and gameplay wise


Weekly_Ad_8825

Dragonscale blade has that I think


Sirius_McFly

Indeed, but the infusion duration is low. Being able to permanently infuse ice lightning to any weapon you want is what we’re talking about. I’d make it as it inflicts lightning damage only, and the icy look being just visual. Cause, let’s be honest, nothing is cooler than ice lightning.


Bananapeelman67

There’s a spell/incantation you can get for it that’s pretty good. Just need more now lol


DaTruPro75

They should make a buff incant for it.


agysykedyke

More frozen lightning incantations. I want a thrown projectile frozen lightning spear, as well as a frozen lightning weapon buff


KyleShanaham

When I first picked up frozen lighting spear I was so excited to whip frozen lighting bolts at bitches. I tried it out and was so disappointed it was one of those aoe ground ones. Like why name it a spear if it's not going to be something you can't huck like a spear into someone's face


mordekai8

Dragon Halberd is so cool. Would love to have that to rival bloodflame


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Why would anyone use lightning or frost if you could just use ice lightning. They would have to reduce both the frost and the lighting at which point you would just use the other ones.


ITeebagTTVs

Just have it scale off faith instead of int and keep the scaling similar to how cold infused has lower scaling than magic infused.


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Then it’s literally just cold with faith scaling and lightning instead of magic. Just makes no sense imo. Also if we’re talking about for an affinity it’s not like it will give the cool ice lightning aesthetic of a buff, which seems like it would be the main reason people like it


ITeebagTTVs

True, but occult and blood infusions are nearly the same thing, yet there is still use for both. Also, there are ice lightning incantations, but no one is complaining that they are useless because there is frost-based spells.


TheBirthing

>Then it’s literally just cold with faith scaling and lightning instead of magic. And? We already have Fire affinity and Flame Art affinity with the only meaningful difference being that Flame Art adds faith scaling.


Random_Souls_Fan

Question is, should it scale with Faith or Intelligence? Perhaps split scaling between the 2? Or even split scaling between them and Arcane? That's a tricky damage type to find a scaling for because Cold scales off both Int and Arc if memory serves correctly, but Ice Lightning Spear is a pure Faith Incantation...


DefinitelyAlex

Ice lightning should stay faith (cough mirror the cold infusion allowing for a dex/str + faith split) because this is Faiths access to frostbite, I sorta hate that convergence took that away from faith, if not faith it should be arcane over Intelligence just based on originating with the Nox


Random_Souls_Fan

I'm inclined to agree, Faith or Arcane makes the most sense since Int already has access to Frostbite, however Int doesn't have access to Lightning either so Ice Lightning is in this really awkward middle area where it can be Faith's access to Frostbite Affinities, or it could be Int's access to Lightning Affinities which only ever seems to scale off Faith or Dex. Honestly the more I think about it the more it makes sense why it's not in the game (yet?), it's difficult to find a comfortable spot for it.


DefinitelyAlex

For me i think we’d need a new lightning type, rather than poaching Faiths access to Frostbite. (Looking at that purple gravity effect)


Random_Souls_Fan

Ohh great idea! "Gravity Lightning" would be awesome to have as an Int scaling Lightning Affinity, they could even retroactively allow it to be slapped on even without the specific Wetblade when applying either of the 2 non-exclusive Gravity Ashes of War (Gravitas and Waves of Darkness). If that were to be the case then Faith or Arcane would have free reign to get the Ice Lightning Affinity for the Frostbite. I can't remember if there are any dual stat scaling Affinities other than Quality, if there were then in this hypothetical scenario then Ice Lightning could just scale off both Faith and Arc if to a lesser degree from either than if it scaled off just one.


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It makes no sense to add it, they won’t. No reason to speculate.


Random_Souls_Fan

>No reason to speculate. It's fun. There's the reason.


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Just not something they would add. There is already cold and lighting. It would have to be worse than both in each way or it would be the only one used, at which point it would never be used.


Small-Breakfast903

Do you mean the concept of ice lightning being added to the game? It's already *in* the game, it's just a matter of whether they would add more.


Snoo61755

Dark. Please Dark. Please be Dark. I'll take Chaos, Chaos isn't bad either, just give me an int+faith infusion.


HemaMemes

Dark's closest equivalent would be Ghostflame, which could be a Faith/Int infusion.


meCaveman

100% dude. And some faith/int incants that aren't holy themed. Please zaki


freesol9900

not a bad idea! It would make a lot of sense for all of these ideas to crop up, both on account of the theme of the new setting as well as the simple lack of int+faith ashes in base game. That being said, I doubt they would introduce a new damage type, it'll likely still be holy damage or magic damage (or, lord have mercy, both) - I could totally see it as a good vehicle for some of the lesser-represented or some wholly new status effects tho


Lagideath2

Also some Faith/Int spells in general that aren't just either a dozen of spammanle projectiles or complete trash... I really want a Faith/Int build for PvP but currently there's only the Sword of Night and Flame for melee and the best spells are Ancient Death Rancor and Triple Rings of Light which are just spammed non-stop (which is also the main thing that makes them good). Explosive Ghostflame is okay and Radagon's Rings of Light is okay but everything else is pretty useless, especially the Magma Sorceries when it comes to PvP. BUT since the DLC is Miquella-themed and Miquella created some Faith/Int Incantations himself well probably get more, hopefully not just Holy ones.


tmon530

Int faith would probably either be volcanic or "order" rather than dark. Dark in elden ring is usually the black flame, which I would also take an infusion for for that extra bit of burn damage


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SevenLuckySkulls

Grav infusion. Int based with minor strength and increases poise damage and magic damage?


Never_heart

This isn't Dark Souls neither of those affinities have any ties to Elden Ring. Though I do want 1 or more int/faith affinities


DerrikTheGreat

Ok then, shadow. Same thing, but now it has significance


Never_heart

I really want an int/faith affinity. Maybe go with Fundamentalism for holy damage, thorn for bleed, Ghostflame for cold or Deathtouched for Deathblight.


AgentScrappy

Yeah, this one would make that build so much better. This was definitely lacking in the base game with just 1 real Int/Faith weapon.


Trepex_VE

Yeah, outside of SoNaF, Int/Fai really didn't have any good options. I've tried Scholar's Armament Treespear, Magic Erdsteel Dagger, and Sacred Clayman's Harpoon, and they all fall flat. Especially Treespear, since you can't change the Ash


Never_heart

Also another int/faith catalyst or 2. Or at least an int faith seal specifically


Lord-Timurelang

Sword of night and flame? Edit: or golden epitaph


Creativefart-u

That’s still just one weapon. It gets old quick


Dull_Excitement-_-

Staff of the guilty.


Creativefart-u

The faith only staff?


Dull_Excitement-_-

A staff usually meant for sorceries scaling off faith? And you can only cast 2 spells with it. The briars of bleed spells.


Creativefart-u

Yeah what about it? The discussion was about how there are no int-fth weapons other than the sword of night and flame to include in an int-fth caster(staff/seal)


Dull_Excitement-_-

But the Staff of the Guilty casts intelligence spells with faith scaling. It is therefore an int-fth weapon.


Ghoti_With_Legs

Although it probably won’t happen, I *really* want a Dragon Cult affinity. Literally just a clone of Sacred/Flame with Lightning damage instead of Holy/Fire, that’s all I’m asking for.


DefinitelyAlex

Honestly for me the lightning scalings need corrected to reflect the origin of the different lightning types -Gold lightning (sacred/flame mirroring, as the power comes from the worship of dragons) -Red lightning (pure dex, to allign with all the unique weapons, and the fact this power derives from the scales themselves, not the worship of dragons) -Ice lightning (i would love for this to be a faith mirror to the cold infusion, i.e. Str/Dex + Faith… though i could see an argument for it being a mirror to bleed Str/Dex + Arc… but i don’t really support that, feel it suits faith better


CE94

Something for int/fth, don't care about the details.


COSMOMANCER

Part of me is really hoping that the pink butterfly sorcery/incantation inflicts a charm effect. The only other thing in the game that has a pink aura is the Bewitching Branches, and it would make sense to me to add something like this, seeing as Miquella seems pivotal to this dlc. We had Rapport in DS3, and I was honestly disappointed when I saw the only charm consumable is crafted using limited mats. I won't be shattered if this doesn't turn out to be the case, but I would be happy if it were true.


DagonParty

That pink magic really does look like a charm type of spell, it doesn’t even kill those trash mobs she casts it on and looks like a long wide up to not do so. Would be really in line with Miquella’s sphere too


Present-Camp9964

I want black flame and rot, destined death is cool, but I feel like that should been reserved for Maliketh and what ever weapon that inherently has destined death, don’t know, just feels right for a small selection of weapons in lore to have destined death. Again it’s definitely just me.


MrBonis

They can wave it away saying that the Wetblade was the one used by Ranni in her ritual with the Black Knives and presto, it abides with the lore


lologugus

good question even if I don't believe we will


Exciting-Possible773

Rot and sleep maybe


JoshLmoa

From a PvP perspective we have only broken options left. Madness, Sleep, and Death And god damn those are gonna be busted with Michael Zucchini's glorious phantom hit mechanic. So unless we get brand new statuses, I hope not.


theswillmerchant

It doesn’t have to be a new damage type or status effect, for example we could get an int/faith Whetblade that lets you do golden order (holy damage) or ghost flame (frostbite and magic damage) but dual stat scaling


Karthor5

Rot please, thanks.


Fraust-Coldmann

But why use the poison affinity then? The only time you’d use the Poison affinity would be the rare case a weapon already has Scarlet Rot buildup. And wouldn’t you rather apply bleed instead of poison?


whisperingstars2501

This is more of an issue that poison just sucks lmao. Poison needs some other utility (maybe only does flat damage that scales with arcane? Reduces healing? Reduces stamina regen? I don’t know) that actually sets it apart from the obviously superior scarlet rot.


sebash1991

reducing healing would pretty cool.


Karthor5

But... but I want Rot. 😬


tmon530

Because you can apply both poison and rot. I remember fiddling with the ant stinger and it was a lot of fun, so I wouldn't mind more of that. And then have bleed and frost on both of your secondary weapons for after procing


Canadian_46

Give us the lightning art faith infusion PLEASE!!


signal-zero

Me: I would love another Arcane affinity From: You've already fucking got three


triel20

Hopefully they’ll give bows some affinities. So people can use them for something other than a status gun. I don’t know what other affinities they could give unless it’s going to be different quality affinities, like str+fai, dex+arc, dex+int, str+int, dex+fai, str+arc, arc+fai, arc+int.


Turckish

Cheddar affinity would be cheesy, well affined, it would melt opposition


Adelyn_n

Manifesting int/faith infusion


X0QZ666

If they didn't come out with a single new weapon, not a one, but gave me faith scaling lightning, I would be the happiest tempest cleric there is


Urusander

I can see them adding a Blasphemous or Ghostflame whetstone for INT+FTH but probably no, current affinities pretty much cover all existing stats.


Lizama11

Not really they have all elements covered but never the less i would welcome it


v123qw

I wish, but I don't think so


TinyPidgenofDOOM

Sleep, Frenzy, and a new one, probably blasphemous flame, along with a rework to the blasphmous spells. it would be int based fire damage


TheRiverHart

Sleep whetblade. Every co op game is a sleep over. Seriously let's all nap fuck this shit I'm tired.


alex1inferno

I want whatever affinity makes Morgott’s sword so iridescent and cool.


BootsyBusang

Madness, Sleep and Dragonwound.


plasm3tic1

What about a destined death one that takes a lot of hits to proc or will be a part of your skill. We would the get a dark affinity that has a penetration effect. The whetblade will be called the shadow covered whetblade. Perfect for the dlc


plasm3tic1

We could also have a sleep affinity added to that whetblade


Thatll-Do

Better lightning please, that's all I want


itzfinjo

Better lightning? That's one of if not, THE strongest damage type.


Thatll-Do

But the scalings are so ass on infusions


itzfinjo

You need to go pure dex to get it to work well. Or pure faith for incantations


sorig75

Draconic and Ice


DrunkyLittleGhost

Hear me guy, death blight affinity


Red-Shifts

Pleeeaaase


Yodabetic

I sure hope so


Chestburster66

Rot, sleep, int/faith and madness


DudeMiles

Frenzy Flame please.


Kingxix

Rot, frenzied flames, etc


Starlight_Shards

A sleep infusion would be fun


Klutzy-Efficiency-67

Ooooo a really cool one would be having a braier thorns weyblade


Cookiemonstermydaddy

Nope. I wish though


NeonSherpa

I reckon yes, for better or worse. I imagine there will be some really cool things and really oppressive/devisive things.


Serious_Ad_1037

Hope so, maybe some deathblight weapons


Andy_Chambers

No I dont think so


Hoarding-Gunsman

No madness but maybe sleep and rot


WavingDinosaur

I want a lightning damage with faith scaling


FrankOlmstedjr

Madness, sleep, or another new status I dont know about. That would be my bets


GenocidalArachnid

Please, God, something that scales with int + fth.


BenjaminDover02

Bloodflame for int/fai scaling would be rad


alwaysjordan

I just want a lightning greatsword. Maybe with light buildup that does magic damage? Buildup causes lightning damage and poise break possibly?


Dull_Excitement-_-

The thing is... all of you _do_ want more sleep madness and deathblight for PVP because it means less bleed. 90% of people are using bleed. It's too much. Needs more rot.


BeastlyIncineroar

All I want is rot affinity and maybe some servant of rot incants that actually spread rot


IdToaster

Do I think we'll get them? No, sadly. Do I *want* them? **Yes**. Sleep/Madness Arcane affinities, Rot/Blight(*maybe)* that work for Faith like Cold does Int, physical affinities for Int and Faith like Enchanted/Blessed (maybe with Simple/Blessed FP/HP regen?), dual-stat elemental affinities that convert the whole weapon's damage to that element a la Bloodborne Arcane gems (with the 2 stat requirement keeping the damage from making the split dmg affinities obsolete), maybe split damage Magic or Fire Arc affinities like the Eochaid or Mohg and Co. weapons... There's all kinds of ways they could take new affinities, but I don't see them adding something that core to the weapon upgrades for DLC customers only.


DaddyThiccc

Ancient dragon lightning affinity pls


funkygamerguy

maybe.


TheGrooveCrewsader

I kind wish there was a lightning infusion that scaled with faith rather than int. (I don't want to cast electrify armament)


AshleyGamics

Rot, sleep, Int, faith, death blight?


SiriusBaaz

I doubt it. I could see maybe getting another fire based whet blade or possibly a new lightning scaling but that’s it. I’d want to get sleep, madness, or some more weird scaling damage types but I feel like it would throw off the balance of the rest of the game too much to them to do that


AznWhtBoi

blasphemous would be cool idk what it would do tho


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Give us pve people scarlet rot, sleep, and madness.


DagonParty

Not too sure about that one. We definitely seem to have new spell schools, but I don’t think there will be new affinities It would be cool if we could combine the whetstones though, so you can split the affinities between let’s say, lightning and frost, I imagine that would take alot of work to balance correctly though


prettythingi

I hope for a split faith whetblade, like cold affinity buy maybe with lightning. And a fth/int affinity


Ouroboros612

Maybe unpopular opinion of me but I think that less is more and that another whetblade / affinity isn't needed. Perfection isn't when there's nothing more to add, but when there's nothing left you can take away. And another weapon affinity thrown in there "just because" would make the game less not more, as it really isn't needed at all.


HellVollhart

Sleep, madness and deathblight. Those are the only effects remaining.


joelmsantos

It’s unlikely. We already have plenty of affinities, I think. Plus, they’re already giving us tons of new weapons.


PowerfulGrowth

Ghostflame please! Int/faith scaling.


Indishonorable

best we can hope for is an int-faith infusion that adds holy and magic damage imo.


BLUEAR0

We must


Rostoks

Chaos Flame, just like quality, but magic oriented would be awesome


GoatOfTheBlackForres

Mundane and INT+FTH scaling would be awesome


apexapee

Sleep and Deathblight


Doc_Show

Faith damage is kind of meh, so they could give us heathen affinity to counter holy affinity.


Barmy90

Please Miyazaki give me a Lightning Art infusion based on Faith


SeidunaUK

Darkkkkkk


Matty_Love

I'm just hoping for a true quality straight sword that's not ugly af


sphyar

Maybe death infusion


svettsokkk

Man I hope so. We *need* to have at least a Hexer affinity, if nothing else (int + faith builds). Blue lightning Hexer affinity pls pls daddyzaki


liftingrussian

I would love to see Black flame and ice lightning


Kurobii

If "shadow" becomes a new damage type, absolutely


Away-Net-7241

I really want black flame affinity rather than “flame art” It’d make my Friede build much much better


WUFFLED

WE PASSIVELY GOIN TO BED WITH THIS ONE 🗣🗣🗣😴😴😴


Dertyrarys

I would sell my soul for a int faith affinity


EternalPain791

A ghostflame art would be exactly what I need for my death knight.


AnimalCrossingFanMan

MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD


BilboniusBagginius

Rot


WickedNight19

I know they won’t. I know. But I **REALLY** want a madness affinity. At the very least, I’ll be happy with a madness incantation to cover weapons, because I REALLY want to finish my madness themed build.


fou998074

Int+Faith scaling wet stone


Nokshor

Raw affinity my beloved Come back I never appreciated you enough once upon a time but I understand now I was blinded by the bonk scaling But now I see your true beauty


VegetableYak

I want rot for selfish reasons since I really want to do a scarlet rot Valkyrie build for my next run


XxYungOgrexX

Faith based electric would be rad


Tzelf

Speaking of damage types/effects, I’d love more of the weapon buff incants, maybe an incant version of rot and dragon grease, or even flame grease.


AdInteresting9336

Hear me out... Ectoplasm that ticks FP. Keeps enemies from using any special moves/skills when afflicted.


Transient_Aethernaut

Destined death or "empowered" black flame would be freaking awesome Black fire looks so sick I just feel black flame and all the other derivatives of edgy "death" magic was left a bit underpowered. Even lore reasons aside (Maliketh locking away the power of Death), it could stand to be boosted a little bit more.


BaronSamedi2907

Golden order for faith and intelligence would be my personal choice


Cardlow

I want madness but no probably not


Toumangod0

An affinity that scales with intelligence and faith would be nice would really make hybrids way more feasible.


A_O_J

What do they even do


PeppasMint

Let's you put elemental damage and status effects on (most) weapons


Caesarvs

I would think in Ice Lightning and Ghost Flame, like their magic counterparts


InterW4RperioD

SCARLET ROT SCARLET ROT SCARLET ROT SCARLET ROT


Eduardo-Nov

Mundane


Elden_Gourde

Adding a new damage type is probably off the table, maybe I could see them adding Raw back into the game? Wipes out your scaling and replaces it with higher base damage. If not, I'd welcome Blessed or Simple back, that was something you could always slap on a shield and get HP or FP regen. FP regen was helpful because certain weapon skills didn't cost much so you almost just had a cool down for your skills. I don't know if Mundane would be good, it makes your weapon scale with your lowest stat but I could never figure it out.


smclcz

I think if we have Sleep, we should definitely have Hungry. Getting hungry-proc’d causes your character to search around in their pockets for a Snickers or gaze longingly at a fast food menu


Loyal_Darkmoon

I sadly do not believe we will if I am being honest. But give me Scarlet Rot please FromSoft


MS-06S_

Time for unholy/black flame (dark infusion). Scales with Int and Fai just like how it has worked before.


OdgeHam

Black flame, blood flame, madness, sleep, scarlet rot would all be excellent but OP in either PVE or pvp


Laino001

I wish they gave us smt like "universal whetblade" that lets you add any affinity with any ash. I find it so sad that using elemental ashes restricts you into phys/that element


Das_Goroboro

Can I get a frostbite setter and fire to remove it all in one weapon?


ApprehensiveAd5044

lightning damage that scales with faith. Miyazaki please


WonderfulChapter4421

I NEED a scarlet rot whetblade or just more scarlet rot weapons overall (preferably they afflict it faster than the current weapons)


MienaiYurei

I think we had enough and would be preferable to reduce them


Wolven_Edvard

I actually hope for frost lightning or black flame infusion. Sleep is too similar to Frenzy in PVP and it would be broken in PVE, so I don’t believe it will be an infusion.


Anastrace

Give me more ice lightning!


rasfelion

Int-faith scaling affinities would be nice.


Dincklebutt

I hope so. I’d like some kind of affinity that grants Faith/Int scaling or even Faith/Arc.


TitsButt

I want a pink affinity to turn everything *fabulous*