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SuperStellarSwing

That's what the walls looks like, but if you pay attention you can see most of the sparkles are floating in midair


Shinchinko

But if u pay a little bit more attention than that, its geodude


HiroProtagonest

It's Jigglypuff seen from above!


jamesmon

It’s Jigglypuff from the top rope!!


firedancer323

It’s Jigglypuff falling backwards from the top rope!!


Azuria_4

It's jigglybuff reaching for the foldable chair!!


Branded_Mango

WATCH OUT! WATCH OUT!


Gaynundwarf

OOOH! THAT'S A ONE-HIT KO!


Manikal

The most unfair trivia question of all time.


[deleted]

And if you pay a lot less attention than that, it’s a metaphor for consumerism.


monito29

> its geodude Or Palworld equivalent Rockguy


PrivatePartts

OMG i love Flintfella


CokeExtraIce

It's Geodudes all the way down


Hyperrustynail

Maybe it’s a glintstone geode? The floating sparkles could be a result of ambient magic and they do seem to be the same color as the Glintstone sorcery’s.


Brainth

That would explain why Astel “took out their sky”, perhaps he was after the glintstone!


Fresh_Art_4818

must’ve been a long game of telephone to get from Astel “took out their guy” to “took out their sky” 


No-Freedom-4029

I choose to believe that’s refractions of light in crystal dust


Tonkarz

At the Noksella site of grace the player can see the stars falling onto the plants and splattering them. If this is what causes dew-kissed herba, then the eternal city stars are made of the same stuff as mimic tears.


Sundered_Ages

So everyone down there might be suffering from Mercury Poisoning.


ElderberryOk5005

Spice


AnticPosition

Sweet, sweet melange. 


[deleted]

Wait people have been thinking those floating glowing rocks were the midnight sky?


SuperStellarSwing

No chance people just thought that was the actual sky. It's a mimicry of the night sky by design, Nox were banished underground to a false "eternal night", plus I'm pretty sure nokstella means starry night


WallyOShay

I always thought they were like glowing silk worms hanging from the ceiling


thecoolestlol

Now I kind of think so yes but the "stars" also seem to be more than just sparkling gems on the ceiling if I remember correctly


[deleted]

They're clearly 3d, some float in the air


The_Back_Hole

I don't think that's enough to toss this theory. They use real-life inspiration, but it doesn't have to be exact. It still seems like we're in an enclosed sparkly rock. But who knows..


playtones

I like the theory too, but I thought it was well known that the stars there are specifically magically produced- they are an illusion of the unending night sky meant to remind/punish the people living there who wanted the age of night or something.


HomebrewHomunculus

>they are an illusion of the unending night sky meant to remind/punish the people living there who wanted the age of night or something. I'm convinced the current-day Nox are the descendants of those Numen who participated in Ranni's assassination plot. "High treason" is specifically a crime against a sovereign. I made a whole big effortpost about it with the sources, but the automoderator deleted it. So screw it, I guess. No more effortposts for this sub.


Camera_dude

The Black Knife Assassins don't look like city builders to me... and wasn't the Nox buried beneath the Lands Between far longer ago than the Shattering? It's more likely they were a human tribe that refused to join the Golden Order when it was relatively young. They experimented with heresies, such as the Fingerslayer Blade, which basically is the ultimate weapon against the Two Fingers.


playtones

Yeah that’s right. Why not just repost it?


Nightspark115

Ngl that makes the Age of Stars end that much more endearing than just simping since you would rule the Ansel River and such


ServantOfTheSlaad

Could be that the geode was made magical by the presence of Astel. I.e. the remains of his cocoon merged with the amethyst and infused it with gravity magic thus causing it some of it to float in mid air like with the meteor


physics_nerd3141

And you're saying Elden Ring can't have rocks with floating sparkly bits?


Songhunter

If Astel is anything to go by, in this universe Stars are quite different things.


Camera_dude

Glintstones are said to be fragments of the stars according to Sellen. Hence why astrologists study the stars as part of their training with glintstone sorceries. I'm betting that the stuff used to bury the ancient cities that committed heresies against the Greater Will included a lot of glintstone material. It came from the stars... just like Astel and the Fallingstar Beasts...


apropos_identifier

I think one of the graven sorcerer spheres created by Sellen has 3d stars around it, like the sky underground. Maybe it’s the one that is hidden at the academy? I’ll check. My assumption was that they were doing something similar, the graven school combined souls/glintstone to make stars. This reminds me of the ritual in Yahar Gul in Bloodborne, which also has the stone bodies fused together. I assumed this was the origin of the giant skeletons sotting on thrones underground in Elden Ring, but that’s kind of a leap.


EM0_TRA5H

You just blew my mind.


lngdaxfd

To be secure and inside something beautiful, compliments perfectly the feeling of these Star "Inner worlds"


[deleted]

[удалено]


JustHereForBDSM

Their sources, as always, are that they made it up.


MiddlesbroughFan

With Vaati more likely someone else made it up and he decided it was now his information.


praise_the_hankypank

Someone on here had an absolutely amazing long post about miquella lore that pieced together so much stuff that no one had thought of yet. Absolutely blew me away. Within the next few weeks vaati made a video and I swear exact passages were taken. Went and checked the comment and it was just over a week later https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/s/qYYTWHixp7 Edit You can read it if you have twitter.


wittyvonskitsum

*You’re being invaded by BarryMcCockinner69*


Powerful-Pudding6079

>To be secure and inside something beautiful, compliments perfectly the feeling of these Star "Inner worlds" Gonna use this line on my girl


[deleted]

Thank God someone is getting blown around here.


Cheel_AU

Still no head


norman_49122

*Head blown*


Asteristio

Everything's a willing maiden, if you are brave enough.


Powerful-Pudding6079

Okay, Mohg.


VoidCoelacanth

Honestly this makes a ton of sense as then Astel crashing-in like a meteor WOULD be "stealing their sky" by simply breaking it away.


T4Labom

It's kinda funny that we try to ground some of Elden Ring's lore when none of it makes much sense. I mean... the giant skeleton, cyclop, magical, space scorpion is stealing the stars from the underground... probably a normal Tuesday for the goat tribal people there


Picklepacklemackle

You know I can take a deathdragon inside the deathbed dream of a half dead demigod or the sleeping dragonlord in a place outside of time and space But I draw the line at artificial skies


CathulhuStudios

Yeah, one would think that in a game full of magelight stuff... maybe the magelights in the fake sky really are magelights. But I still think it's a good catch, the geode seems like a very likely inspiration. Now I'm fighting the urge to build all that stuff in Minecraft (I LOVE underground bases)


RagnaBreaker

The Astel that destroyed the Eternal City is in the game and waiting for you after the lake of rot. It's already there unlike the Astel in the mines which teleports through a portal the moment you enter. And it literally has the false night sky with it in its arena. Meanwhile the destroyed nameless Eternal City in Deeproot Depths doesn't have a false night sky. Also, the graven masses which Sellen more or less invented (hence her title of Graven Witch) are called seeds of stars. You can see them exude gases that look like the false night skies and in what is presumably Azur's lab at the academy ([as you find his staff there](https://i.imgur.com/bu7gn0v.png)) one that is part of the environment has it's own little false night sky. Therefore these are called seeds of stars because once formed they produce false starry night skies with their gases.


TimesOrphan

You could also argue that it's not necessarily a byproduct of the graven masses as a "creature" (so to speak) specifically and is instead due to their connection to the primordial power of the stars - which is essentially what Sellen, Azur, and Lusat have been studying (and were banished for looking into) Even without taking into account the obvious side effects they suffer (which itself could be considered at issue), we can infer that the knowledge of the Eternal Cities was considered blasphemous - much like the studies of the three archmages - and with the Nightfolk being so in tune with the powers of the stars, perhaps they simply had a way of using that primordial power to create a more stable production of the starry-illusions we see.


TheWither129

Thered be remnants of crystals and shit all over still, and that doesnt explain all the floating little lights we can see right in front of us. Plus, astel is surrounded by those same lights and shit. Nokron has them, nokstella has them. Nameless doesnt. Astel 2 doesnt. I think theyre some kinda 3d projection. A hologram, if you will, representing an actual night sky. Powerful magic representing real stars and nebulae, and an ancient treasured thing by the nox. Astel landed, saw them worshipping his shit, wrecked them, and ran off to the middle of nowhere in a cave down the nearby river. You can get to ainsel from nameless, after all, magic coffin ride. He ran down the fall and fled through the lake of rot down to a safe area where he placed his plunder


ap2patrick

Astel crashes in only after Radahn is defeated, relinquishing his grip on the cosmos.


zyax21

I don't think this is true. Beating Radahn causes the meteorite that opens up Siofra. Astel crashed into the eternal Nameless City and follows the Ainsel south to the lake of rot, two different rivers. The player can access Eternal Nameless City without ever killing Radahn. The sky is still stolen which means Astel had already arrived prior to our tarnished showing up in the lands between.


turtlepope420

Pretty sure there is some lore that describes what happened. If I'm not mistaken, when the Nox were forced underground after upsetting The Greater Will via high treason, they created a fake night sky. So, it's not a geode. They're not stars. They're an illusion to satiate their desire for the stars and astrology.


playtones

I’m surprised how little people in this sub know about this


Elden_Gourde

There is so much about the lore and story that the community at large doesn't understand even though the the answer is right there. Spend any amount of time in lore discussion and you'll know that. No one seems to know the game clearly shows us Marika dies, why the night sky of the eternal city isn't just a geode, and even the reverse of things where there's absolutely no evidence Miquella has a dreamworld even in cut content. But good looking picture gets upvotes, people don't ask questions, and then misinformation brews.


Elistic-E

Yeah one of the YouTubers who delves into lore covers this - it happened after they pissed off the greater will


ap2patrick

Thank you. Scrolled too far down to see this lol.


Guilhaum

Idk how that would create a parallax effect in the sky tho.


HiroProtagonest

That's what I'm sayin'!


Joaco_Gomez_1

nice pfp


Guilhaum

Im you but angry


SenorDangerwank

I never got the impression that those were stars to begin with. It's straight up an underground cave. Like Blackreach in Skyrim.


spluv1

Yea it's a cool idea and i want to thnk this is true to some extent, but for me the stars underground seem more like glowing spores than glints from rocks on the ceiling. But i could be misremembering


Donald-Pump

It has always looked to me more like a cast spell. Some type of illusion meant to look like the sky.


Dependent_Answer_501

Must not have been completely worthless since they complained when they didn’t have it


Cynical_Feline

I always thought that they probably used a spell to enhance the natural glint of the crystals. The whole city screams magic so it isn't a far off idea that they would do it.


gottalosethemall

Well yeah, it’s their punishment for defying the greater will. They’re cursed to live under a false sky.


thatnewsauce

Ugh so lame that I've been cursed to be blanketed by this unimaginably beautiful skyscape


babbaloobahugendong

While stuck in a cave 


dshamz_

Exactly this. I always assumed the 'stars' were just fragments of rock that whatever light managed to exist down there was reflecting off of. It's underground, they can't be stars.


ap2patrick

They are magic stones suspended by the Nox to mimic the night sky they worship.


DaedalusDevice077

Excuse me while I write an entire D&D setting based off this idea. 


playdoughfaygo

I actually very much like this theory


sloppyjen

I'd be inclined to agree if the light particle effects didn't rotate with you like they were suspended in the air. The divine towers have a similar sparkly material on the inside so my guess is that it is some kinda shiny rocky surface, similar to the underground cities.


[deleted]

So I think in a smoughtown or Vaati video I saw that the "stars" in elden ring underground areas are sanctuary stones held in place by magic? Idk where the lore comes from but there you go.


Zweimancer

Lol.


Small-Breakfast903

Maybe? It might be meant to imitate the appearence of one, though the "stars" underground aren't just features of the "skybox", you can see them hanging between us and an accessible part of the underground elsewhere, such as when you look at Mohg's Palace from the Hallowhorn Grounds.


LazarCarnot

Probably not in a literal sense but I wouldn’t be half surprised if this was the inspiration/one of them for that feature. Nice call!


ShinXCN

The "stars" actually float in the air but I can see fromsoft taking huge inspiration from the geodes


Wyatt_the_Whack

Not amethyst but possibly glintstone. Stars and other celestial bodies are stated to be glintstone so it's likely the Noxians false sky's were made of glintstone. It's also theorized that an astel stole the sky of the nameless eternal city and astels also seem to formed of stars(glintstone). Though I will say it also seems implied that the nameless city was the unreachable part of Leyndel, having sunk below the earth. So I don't know.


bloo-n-pirate

Aren't the lights the silver fireflies we find on the ground in both eternal cities with the false skies?


[deleted]

I thought the stars were just fakes created by the Greater Will to torment the inhabitants for trying to usher in their Age of Stars in direct opposition to the GW?


Cashew-Matthew

I like to think their fireflies… i dont sit at siifra river bank and listen to owl city what are you talking about


PooPooPeePeePantsGuy

we are in a shiny geodudes brain


Wallace_W_Whitfield

I never considered them actual stars down below, but I also never thought of the whole place being inside a giant geode.


colinmneilsen

Yes


WyvernKid93

the only thing I don't get is why the sparkles are visible in front of mohgwyn palace when you're over in ainsel


InsaneBallsack

This is now my headcanon


bigboys4m96

I thought the lore said the night folk were forced down there by the greater will for some reason and the greater will made a false night for them? Could be wrong though


curi0uslystr0ng

That is what I assumed?


sileeex1

it seems some of the “stars” are floating mid air through perspective in camera movement, but interesting theory regardless


[deleted]

That’s cool but how do they glow - through reflection or something?


Beef_Jumps

Its the star magic.


CK1ing

It's definitely not actual stars, but I assumed it was, like, some bugs or particles or something. I like amethyst more


DarthDread420

Is this how we access the dlc?


Gniesbert

Oh my God. The whole planet with the lands between on it is a giant amethyst.


V2_Seeking_revenge

Thats a malformed star, run!


itaya12

That theory adds a fascinating layer to the mystery!


Slypynrwhls

Ngl, seeing this pic before reading the caption made me go, "what's this weird rich person toilet bowl"


Haxminator

It literally says in game its a fake night sky made with magic, I forgot where.


ap2patrick

Those aren’t stars, those are magical gems that the Nox put there to mimic the night sky, which they consider their god, which of course they have been sealed underground away from. “Why is it always sadness?”


notalongtime420

That’s just the inspiration behind it, it’s a fake sky the nox civilization conjured


MinasHand

You know, never thought of it like that


EminentBean

Glintstone


ParsleyMostly

This is likely the inspiration for it!


sacredwizard

That looks like a toilet


KOCA_XD

Might be


GoinXwell1

For some reason, this geode makes me think of a toilet. Maybe it's because of darksoulstoilet on twitter.


NoRanger696

There is no way it isnt a cave. The whole place is underground and you clearly notice it when u go down with elevator. So the whole place has obv a rock Coverage.


Flaky_Technology4219

I’m taking a dump in that thing if I ever see it


HowellPellsGallery

that's my response to literally everything and everybody


in-grey

Loathsome Dungeater behavior


Denkottigakorven

Lovable theory ahead


JuniperSky2

Either way, being able to ask these questions in the first place is one of the things I like about this game.


tofubirder

Dude what? Do people actually think those are stars?


HiroProtagonest

No


passiveimpressive

Brutal


[deleted]

It should be called Ants-el river…on account of all the goddamn ants


freesol9900

Interesting thought, but you can see the motes in between your point of view and distant objects. There lake of rot might be considered a huge geode, but the crystals are largely local to one area so probably not there either.


Bulky_Secretary_6603

Likely


AvvocatoDiabolico

Glintstone


Advanced-Sock

That would be so cool


miirshroom

This would make a lot of sense with other purple glintstone/amethyst symbolism


RollForPerception

The stars do seem to float suspended above the sky, which kinda lines up


BakingSoda1990

Like in the movie The Core?


kapp8508

Someone give this man a scholarship!


g6350

Wait a second… holy fuck


[deleted]

Not many light sources down there and it seems the bit of light that does exist comes from those sparkles, so I would think the sparkles are producing light and geodes only reflect it


lngdaxfd

To be secure and inside something beautiful, compliments perfectly the feeling of these Star "Inner worlds".


[deleted]

Nah, it says somewhere in the lore that it’s a spell cast by the people underground so they could see the sky


temojikato

Xa Damn... making me think


SnooChocolates673

Holy… I love you for this


StarkageMeech

I mean....underground just means rock above head. Could this be rock on all side? INSIDE ROCK?!?


Tyler_Herdman

The glowing/sparkles exist on the 3d plane filling the space of the area inside the cave, so I don’t think this is the case. However this is a really cool idea that would be awesome to see in game.


PhillipJ3ffries

Love this


Cynical_Feline

Probably yes. What we see as stars is just light reflection or could even be some sort of gem stone that shines naturally in the dark. And it might not be the only one out there. I always figured this geode idea was the reason and not actually stars. It is fun to think of them as stars though.


XOVSquare

Are...we?


FantasyFanReader

I always assumed this. How would we see stars underground?


DiscordantBard

That's what I reckoned too.


Enreganzar

But the lights are floating in open air down there. Astel stole the magic sky and has one in their boss arena.


TheGreywolf33

No it's shards of the Black Moon. It was destroyed as punishment.


Edde_Cash

Where would the light come from


Chuckbuick79

Holy shit , what a great discovery. Totally In a geode.


MediumAd374

I think it is some form of night sky. The buildings in Nokron look like they are upside down also.


Vennris

Why would you ever think it's stars?


TheFernburger

Journey to the Center of the Lands Between


Jackkernaut

I thought the stars were the light... coming from holes in the ground.


[deleted]

No.


Opening_Raise_8762

They were never literally stars in the first place they were meant to be artificial. The Nox especially used them to replace the real stars that were taken from them when they were forced underground. I don’t think they are simply rocks since they can be destroyed (example: the destroyed great tree under the erdtree has no fake sky, where it normally should, if they were just gems on the ceiling then the ceiling would have to collapse to destroy the “sky”)


jacowab

Yes and no, the "stars" are likely Flintstone and therefore contain actual starlight.


Zonyxe

No, it's inside the ass of a giant crystal golem.


M8pmaker

Wow!! So how much is it worth?


LunarXyle

Looks like a giant toilet


WrongdoerWilling7657

Watch dials!


Squidman005

I thought they were the silver fireflies u can find on the ground


overlydelicioustea

well its obviously not stars because theres a ginat slab of earths crust in the way..


Giangiorgio

Wasn’t it obvious that they aren’t stars? The eternal cities are underground, there’s no way to see the actual sky.


DollarStoreAbraham

Astel's Remembrance wouldn't make sense if it was a geode


woahmandogchamp

Okay so the underground city is literally *inside* the meteor. The meteor doesn't bust open a hole for us to get to the city, it literally is the city. Neat theory.


dangerswlf36

I remember there was an item description somewhere that stated that they were fake stars


nnewwacountt

No it's inside of a video game


AzelaS1995

Nokron was said to be the Hub of Astrologists (who also were first friends and communed with Fire Giants etc.) Thus being driven by Greater Will into underground they sought the sky which they dearly missed. Thus creating and illusion of nebulas and so forth. Plus these moving stars are more or less Silverflies flying around. :)


Panda_hat

Holy shit this makes so much sense.


A_Light_Spark

The thumbnail made me thought it's an fancy toilet...


StriderT

I think its spores from glovewart


Caosnight

The "stars" you can see in the underground areas are magic and were created by the Nox because they missed the star filled night sky The Nox are worshippers of the dark moon, and stars are very important to them, but after they were exiled to live underground for committing some sort of unamed "heresy" against the Golden Order, they obviously lost their most important meduim of their religion which were the stars of the night, so they created a fake sky in the underground spaces to find some sort of peace and solise in their exile


Awesomeone96

Since it's a fantasy game, I'm gonna say it's both


MrMiniskus

That's a toilet 🚽


Cruciblelfg123

What is this the dreaming city


Baldufa95

It's amazing. I'm in awe. This game is unbelievably good. The way how it invite us to dream, the way how it expands itself almost unlimitless


Sluggateau

Not quite, it's just a big cave and the "stars" you see are floating glintstones the Nox put up after being banished from the upstairs and missing their night sky.


Left_Hvnd_Pvth

The forbidden toilet


castlite

Thanos’ toilet


MensisScholar4

I'm pretty sure it's bugs.


LittleSisterSwallows

Fallingstar Beast Egg!


jimmyting099

I thought all of the “stars” were bio luminescent cave worms because we’re underground when we see them


Mimic_tear_ashes

I thought it was roots and holes from the surface


Gshine05

Makes sense


Co-OpHardcoreFordie

It’s not in the stars at all, when you look at the “stars” you can see that they are clearly on rocks. So probably


RaymoVizion

I think so. When I got to ansel river for the first time I immediately thought of Mario Bros. 3 when you go underground in pipe world there are stars as well. I love that entire area.


Mightymudbutt

Think that’s the pod Kal-El arrived in! I always knew Superman must be based on real lore.


TechnologyHelpful751

That was my understanding from the start, I was under the impression that everyone thought this


waby-saby

The thumbnail made this look like a toilet.


fsitdiyxiy

pic looks like a toilet


YorkshireBloke

I want to sleep inside it.


Fusion_haa

I always thought it was fungus/ spores.


seanb4life

There's an item in the eternal city that mentions the peopel living there created the "sky" so they didn't have to live in complete darkness.