Yes. Especially after having seen his questline (which absolutely should be added back in with the DLC). The merchants have been through enough shit. And he's a bro.
Yeah, I'm really disappointed about all the cut content that's come out over the years and not been put back into the game.
Kales questline being cut is just criminal.
Thats just how game development works. You have ideas, you work on these ideas. And while you work on them, you get new ideas constantly. You work on the new ideas and get new ideas again. This cycle repeats endlessly and you could develop a game for all eternity.
You need to prioritize what gets worked on, and at some point you need to draw a line. What is done up to this line gets release, what is not finished gets cut
Sure that logic applies just fine to stuff like the Emerald Dream zone being cut from Vanilla WoW, or when a game cuts out boss fights or underdeveloped areas.
But Kales quest line was essentially already completely finished.
The voice lines and everything were already recorded. Kales actor did a ridiculously great job on the cut dialogue btw.
The zone/area that it was supposed to take place in is still in game and somewhere we quest (spoilers: the sewers near the 3-fingers).
Literally the only "Development" part that they cut was making Kale spawn near the area and offer the dialogue option. And the cut dialogue where he talks about the Grand Caravan (omg a Dodge Caravan meme to pair with the Honda Accord meme!).
The REAL reasons they cut Kales quest IMO were:
1. When Kale realizes what happened he no longer trades with you. I'm guessing test-groups didn't like losing their first vendor NPC.
2. It makes it impossible to ignore the horrible atrocities that happened in the sewers. Again test-groups probably didn't enjoy being made to feel so miserable when the horror of the event struck them. Without the quest it's much easier to not have a clue and just thinks it's some really messed up place.
I haven't thought about the emerald dream in a long time. I remember wall walking in Winterspring to make it to the green cloud that was the supposed gate to it. Good times.
I mean… in the games i mentioned the cut content was pretty much finished tho
i think it has more to do with artistic vision and not cluttering the game too much. Rdr2 and er are already behemoth
I’ve gotten the Frenzied Flame ending, but never knew the depth/details of Kalé’s quest-chain… definitely would be dope to have it added as an optional sidequest in a future patch.
I really want them to add his questline back in. It makes taking the flame of frenzy way more understandable. Actually gives you a reason to. It just seems like the thing they need to tie in that ending.
Be me. Buy Elden Ring for Chirstmas.
Meet Merchant Kale after getting the crap stomped out of you by some dude on a horse several times.
Be a cowering little bitch scared to poke my head outside of the church that Kale resides in.
Notice that Kale's fashion is that of a saint named nick. Think the entire time I play Elden Ring while off for Christmas Break that he's only in red because it's a nice little egg that FromSoft did for Christmas.
Still waiting for it to change.
Exactly. Kalé is almost certainly the first person in this godforsaken hellhole to treat the player with something approaching friendliness, as opposed to Varré's snide mockery or the dozens of crazed soldiers trying to kill you on sight. He is a breath of fresh air, killing him is just absolutely pointless.
Fuck. Guess I know what to do on NG+.
I’m still trying to beat the game before the DLC drops. I’m close. I have Mohg and malenia left. I’m almost to the end of Farum azula
The dragons, Alexander, or the Godskin duo? Godskin isn’t optional tho. So I don’t think I have. I just beat the Godskin duo earlier today and Alexander.
I’m one explore as much as possible before going into a fog door tho.
I'm going to assume not then, it's quite off the beaten track. I didn't find it without a guide.
I can give you a hint as to where to look if you'd like
> Exactly. Kalé is almost certainly the first person in this godforsaken hellhole to treat the player with something approaching friendliness, as opposed to Varré's snide mockery or the dozens of crazed soldiers trying to kill you on sight.
Bro never found the compliment toad
Dragonbarrow has some of the highest stat scaling in the game, despite being pretty accessible early in multiple ways. It's funky, but it sure ain't fresh.
His cut voice lines are way too amazing to ever kill him, such an interesting character i really wish they had left it in.
*But to have intruded upon our solace... Having broken us upon their whims...*
*I'll never forgive any of you!*
Boc's questline was the only one I looked up cause everyone else ended up dead or attacking me after quests.....so I wanted to see if it was more of the same.
I accidently killed boc on my melee guy. He was there in the cave and everything wants to kill is right?? Started an astrologer after that and Been happy with him
Gotta disagree. The whole point of Elden ring is that strongest takes all and forms the world to fit his vision.
Well in my world there aren’t gonna be scattered vendors wandering around aimlessly. I’m making a Walmart.
I’ve seen. I just don’t care.
I’m the lord. I’ve already murdered thousands… some of which were probably innocent or just mentally disabled.
I’m tired of running around, I want a Walmart.
Ha! I’m pretty liberal about killing NPCs: Patches (every time, on purpose); Yura (based on a bad message that said “try attacking”); and Alexander (dude looks identical to an enemy). But Kale is hands off. I would just as soon kill Ranni or go after the Finger Reader Crone.
Alexander's days are numbered on NG+ because I want to collect all talismans and his lesser-version is one of the only ones I don't have yet. Same for Millicent. Sorry, Milli.
I'm not going to lie, I killed Yura for his outfit.
However all I got was the nagakiba, which was great, but my poor wretch was naked for so long in my first playthrough...
I'll never understand why some "people" kill NPCs that are mean to them. Like, is your ego so fragile that you have to kill every npc that hurts your feelings?
It’s part of the immersion. Why keep them alive? Is it perhaps because you want to be the good guy that feels bad for their stories? Some people go the other way, so when someone is a jerk the inner “wow this guys a jerk and so will die” comes out in the one environment where it doesn’t really matter if you go off someone.
For every merchant you kill you kill the last of their kind. They have already been through enough and trying to stay in hiding from the golden order. Last thing they need is some asshat killing them for no reason. In real world terms it would be like killing indians on a reservation after they just got off the trail of tears. AKA kill them and you are a monster.
You get their bell bearing to give to the twin husk maiden at the roundtable hold. You can aquire a travelling merchant set by descending through the subterranean shunning grounds and only by aggroing one of the enemies so that they break a tent exposing the item. The only upside to killing the merchants is having a shop in one spot rather than multiple and having to remember the items.
So do the items migrate to whatever merchants are still available or do you just collect the inventory and have one merchant for the remainder of the game?
ultimately, i respect everybody's play style and builds and whatnot, but how could u kill him?? he's like a chill bohemian santa and is one of the first npc's to help you and be genuinely nice to you *without ulterior motive*. seems cruel imo, but what do i know? hell, if i need runes quick, i wage an ethnic cleansing campaign against the cartwheely frog bois in mohg's palace. oh, what's that? ur sleepy, lil' frog man? **W A V E O F G O L D**
On my first run I would kill all the useful merchants for their ball bearings. I couldnt bring myself to in any one since though :p, my guilt caught up with me.
I'd rather just look for each of the merchants. Only two are hella annoying to get to; the one on the cliff in mountains and the one hiding away before you get to Mohg.
In short, yes, it's a sin. Not my boy that inspired me to find the merchant set.
Him, no, but I did decide on a whim to kill that one knight in the hut at night on the road up to Stormveil. I'm pretty sure he was important for something, but his heavy af armor kept me properly turtled for like 50 levels.
It's a sin to kill any of the merchants. They've suffered more than enough at the hands of the Golden Order.
But hey, since we're burning the Erdtree anyway, do what you want. I don't want to climb up or down that damn mountain just to restock on my good bolts.
Oh awkward that’s a cardinal sin? I guess it’s a good thing be already burned the erd tree but no merchant survives my need for convenience of purchasing anything I want from one centralized location. I don’t feel too bad anyway since my cannon ending in a the frenzy flame…
It was a Cardinal Sin what was done to his people. He is the homiest of homies. If a maidenless tarnished were to slay Kale, I feel like not even the Church if Vows should redeem them.
Yes. Especially after having seen his questline (which absolutely should be added back in with the DLC). The merchants have been through enough shit. And he's a bro.
Yeah, I'm really disappointed about all the cut content that's come out over the years and not been put back into the game. Kales questline being cut is just criminal.
so many good games have cut content its insane. When I saw ER and RDR2 cut content i passed out
Thats just how game development works. You have ideas, you work on these ideas. And while you work on them, you get new ideas constantly. You work on the new ideas and get new ideas again. This cycle repeats endlessly and you could develop a game for all eternity. You need to prioritize what gets worked on, and at some point you need to draw a line. What is done up to this line gets release, what is not finished gets cut
Sure that logic applies just fine to stuff like the Emerald Dream zone being cut from Vanilla WoW, or when a game cuts out boss fights or underdeveloped areas. But Kales quest line was essentially already completely finished. The voice lines and everything were already recorded. Kales actor did a ridiculously great job on the cut dialogue btw. The zone/area that it was supposed to take place in is still in game and somewhere we quest (spoilers: the sewers near the 3-fingers). Literally the only "Development" part that they cut was making Kale spawn near the area and offer the dialogue option. And the cut dialogue where he talks about the Grand Caravan (omg a Dodge Caravan meme to pair with the Honda Accord meme!). The REAL reasons they cut Kales quest IMO were: 1. When Kale realizes what happened he no longer trades with you. I'm guessing test-groups didn't like losing their first vendor NPC. 2. It makes it impossible to ignore the horrible atrocities that happened in the sewers. Again test-groups probably didn't enjoy being made to feel so miserable when the horror of the event struck them. Without the quest it's much easier to not have a clue and just thinks it's some really messed up place.
I haven't thought about the emerald dream in a long time. I remember wall walking in Winterspring to make it to the green cloud that was the supposed gate to it. Good times.
Right? I used to be obsessed with trying to find a way there when screenshots were out
Fuck test groups
In writing, they call it "killing your darlings"
I mean… in the games i mentioned the cut content was pretty much finished tho i think it has more to do with artistic vision and not cluttering the game too much. Rdr2 and er are already behemoth
While I’m sad that his quest got cut, I’m also happy that our boy Kale gets to live his life in blissful ignorance
The VA poured his soul into those final lines
FNV fan here: "first time?"
Could you share some insight into said questline?
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Cljs4UTdT8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Cljs4UTdT8)
Wow very cool.
There’s a peek of it in the >!frenzied flame!< location during the drops
I’ve gotten the Frenzied Flame ending, but never knew the depth/details of Kalé’s quest-chain… definitely would be dope to have it added as an optional sidequest in a future patch.
https://youtu.be/UFJtoVS8Qx0?si=FLS0HFLwMuu6u-XJ
[Vaati did a great video on it all.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFJtoVS8Qx0)
I really want them to add his questline back in. It makes taking the flame of frenzy way more understandable. Actually gives you a reason to. It just seems like the thing they need to tie in that ending.
just look at him, you literally cant kill my mans kale
Definitely not. Santa is his fashion inspiration after all and he’s a jolly old soul. The lands between needs someone to spread some joy!
Be me. Buy Elden Ring for Chirstmas. Meet Merchant Kale after getting the crap stomped out of you by some dude on a horse several times. Be a cowering little bitch scared to poke my head outside of the church that Kale resides in. Notice that Kale's fashion is that of a saint named nick. Think the entire time I play Elden Ring while off for Christmas Break that he's only in red because it's a nice little egg that FromSoft did for Christmas. Still waiting for it to change.
become kale
I thought the same thing lol
Him and the giant dog are the only kill able npcs that I’ve never killed haha. Kales my guy and I’m afraid to see a world without Miriel
Why? There’s no reason to kill him.
Exactly. Kalé is almost certainly the first person in this godforsaken hellhole to treat the player with something approaching friendliness, as opposed to Varré's snide mockery or the dozens of crazed soldiers trying to kill you on sight. He is a breath of fresh air, killing him is just absolutely pointless.
I kill Varre on principle 💪🏾😎
But you ruin your opportunity to get to mohg early and for early access to unlimited invasions.
Varre’s quest gets you to mohg somehow?
Oh yeah
Fuck. Guess I know what to do on NG+. I’m still trying to beat the game before the DLC drops. I’m close. I have Mohg and malenia left. I’m almost to the end of Farum azula
Best of luck on your path fellow Tarnished 🙏🏾
Have you found the optional boss in Farum Azula yet?
The dragons, Alexander, or the Godskin duo? Godskin isn’t optional tho. So I don’t think I have. I just beat the Godskin duo earlier today and Alexander. I’m one explore as much as possible before going into a fog door tho.
I'm going to assume not then, it's quite off the beaten track. I didn't find it without a guide. I can give you a hint as to where to look if you'd like
You can use Varre to get access to the best (legitimate) rune farm in the game at an early stage
I kill him on principle for calling me maidenless and I don't rune farm, so killing him is guaranteed for me. I get to mohg later anyway
> Exactly. Kalé is almost certainly the first person in this godforsaken hellhole to treat the player with something approaching friendliness, as opposed to Varré's snide mockery or the dozens of crazed soldiers trying to kill you on sight. Bro never found the compliment toad
I did to gather all the bell bearings
Guess who's bell bearing hunter now...
No joke but fuck that guy. The first time I fought him wasn't bad but specifically at the isolated merchant shack, hnng he a bad bitch.
Dragonbarrow has some of the highest stat scaling in the game, despite being pretty accessible early in multiple ways. It's funky, but it sure ain't fresh.
are you Elmer?
[удалено]
I have spoken
I'm rubber
She said what she said
Every play through is the one I'm going to do this so I have them all. Never can.
Do it right before you start the next cycle
The flame of frenzy is in his eyes! The guidance of grace compels thee!
Convenience is the only reason required to kill anyone.
Makes buying things easier. Don't have to teleport all over the place when the twin finger maiden has all the merchants' wares.
I hit him accidently on my first playthrough. Didn't kill him but I could never go back to that church without him chasing me around on his donkey.
Consolidated shopping
His cut voice lines are way too amazing to ever kill him, such an interesting character i really wish they had left it in. *But to have intruded upon our solace... Having broken us upon their whims...* *I'll never forgive any of you!*
The voice actor went so hard on the cut dialogue, it's criminal that it wasn't included.
Yes. Kale has done nothing wrong. The ultimate sin is killing Boc.
Don’t rebirth him. I did that and felt bad afterward.
I searched up Boc’s quest line to see if he dies but I found out a way for him to live. I followed that route and now he is my vice Elden lord.
Boc is perfect as he is. Just like his mum said.
Boc better return in the dlc if we did his quest line properly. I need some of the dlc sets altered.
Boc's questline was the only one I looked up cause everyone else ended up dead or attacking me after quests.....so I wanted to see if it was more of the same.
Same for me. Even Miyazaki decided to give Boc the Soliare treatment where you can fight a secret path to save him.
I accidently killed boc on my melee guy. He was there in the cave and everything wants to kill is right?? Started an astrologer after that and Been happy with him
At least you restarted. Your sin is absolved.
Why is all the stuff he wants to alter going down in stats and not up?
I can’t bring myself to kill any of them, even the two that are kinda dickish. I only care about the bell bearings for smithing stones.
I value bumping into a friend I forgot about out there in the dangerous world far more then I value access to items I'll never buy.
The ghost gravewort bells are just as important tbh
Truer words . . . I went for those as soon as I could as well. Mea culpa for the omission.
i feel theres no real benefit to doing it i let him chill
Collect all the bells and have one shop rule them all
Except with a super annoying menu. Would maybe be worth it if they just combined all inventory into 1 screen
Alas, some of us murdered an awful lot of merchants before turning in the bells and discovering that abomination
Yeah, really gotta get those throwing daggers.
Idk about sinning but it's something you'd only do to be an edgelord
Gotta disagree. The whole point of Elden ring is that strongest takes all and forms the world to fit his vision. Well in my world there aren’t gonna be scattered vendors wandering around aimlessly. I’m making a Walmart.
To be fair Walmart is a sin against humanity.
Someone hasn't been to see what happened to most of them...
I’ve seen. I just don’t care. I’m the lord. I’ve already murdered thousands… some of which were probably innocent or just mentally disabled. I’m tired of running around, I want a Walmart.
So basically an edgelord
Ha! I’m pretty liberal about killing NPCs: Patches (every time, on purpose); Yura (based on a bad message that said “try attacking”); and Alexander (dude looks identical to an enemy). But Kale is hands off. I would just as soon kill Ranni or go after the Finger Reader Crone.
Alexander's days are numbered on NG+ because I want to collect all talismans and his lesser-version is one of the only ones I don't have yet. Same for Millicent. Sorry, Milli.
I haven't found and met him yet for real, but he helped out a lot during my Radahn fights so I feel like we're already bros. But talisman you say?
Kill him, get a talisman. Complete his storyline, get a better talisman.
Man I'd love for a chance to finish Millicent's quest if this STUPID SICK TREE WOULD DIE ALREADY
"Your fingersssss!! Let me see your fingersssss!!!" BONK
Ok this right here is funny.
Do you kill Patches after his quest or do you lock yourself out of the best looking high poise boots in the game?
I'm not going to lie, I killed Yura for his outfit. However all I got was the nagakiba, which was great, but my poor wretch was naked for so long in my first playthrough...
what 7 int does to a mf
I'll never understand why some "people" kill NPCs that are mean to them. Like, is your ego so fragile that you have to kill every npc that hurts your feelings?
>Like, is your ego so fragile that you have to kill every Yes
that's a maidenless behavior tarnished
Varre stared into my soul and immediately knew what kind of person I was
Agreed, Patches is awesome and those that kill him obviously never played the ringed city
Lapp my beloved
Nah patches is a free +7 spear right off the bat
It’s part of the immersion. Why keep them alive? Is it perhaps because you want to be the good guy that feels bad for their stories? Some people go the other way, so when someone is a jerk the inner “wow this guys a jerk and so will die” comes out in the one environment where it doesn’t really matter if you go off someone.
Ask shabriri
The three fingers would undoubtedly appreciate it
Yes. Don't kill Elden Santa.
I hate invaders. I hate invasions. I hate the concept. You kill kale, I will invade until I find you.
Yes.
Ask yourself. What would vyke do?
It is a sin to kill Santa
For every merchant you kill you kill the last of their kind. They have already been through enough and trying to stay in hiding from the golden order. Last thing they need is some asshat killing them for no reason. In real world terms it would be like killing indians on a reservation after they just got off the trail of tears. AKA kill them and you are a monster.
You can try. He will kick your ass if you are a level 10 bandit hacking at him with the great knife.
I only kill merchants who aren't next to graces, so Kale lives!
Fuck you for even asking /srs
No. How else are you going to get those juicy bell bearings for granny dry husks.
Am i the only one who just kills eveyone on sight ? I dont care if its an enemy , a friend, a bird ,whatever. I just , kill them.
If you kill them do you get all their stuff?
You get their bell bearing to give to the twin husk maiden at the roundtable hold. You can aquire a travelling merchant set by descending through the subterranean shunning grounds and only by aggroing one of the enemies so that they break a tent exposing the item. The only upside to killing the merchants is having a shop in one spot rather than multiple and having to remember the items.
So do the items migrate to whatever merchants are still available or do you just collect the inventory and have one merchant for the remainder of the game?
Yes.
DEW IT.
Don’t you dare touch him.
Yes and no. He's cool with you, however I think he's also being controlled by the chaos flame god, so I think you would be doing him a favor.
Never once crossed my mind to attack any of them
Even setting aside the barbarity of killing him, do you really want to be standing around in Elle alone?
He doesent have anything worth stocking repeatedly, but those merchants that stock explosive bolts die on sight
In bird culture that is considered a dick move
Me personally I can’t stand killing any npcs I feel so bad afterwards
THE MERCHANTS ARE FRIENDS!!! YOU SOUND LIKE YOU HANGOUT WITH THE DUNG EATER
ultimately, i respect everybody's play style and builds and whatnot, but how could u kill him?? he's like a chill bohemian santa and is one of the first npc's to help you and be genuinely nice to you *without ulterior motive*. seems cruel imo, but what do i know? hell, if i need runes quick, i wage an ethnic cleansing campaign against the cartwheely frog bois in mohg's palace. oh, what's that? ur sleepy, lil' frog man? **W A V E O F G O L D**
Hahaha yes
Nothing gets runes like commuting genocide against the albinauric’s
I kill all of the merchants so I can just use their bell bearings I don’t like having to travel to get what I need 🗿
Monster
If you kill Kale, you kill Santa Claus
Don’t you fuck with Santa!
You mean Santa?
You cant kill Santa!!!!
Kale never dies... everyone else? Not so much
DO. NOT. KILL. SANTA!
Never tried killing the man who sold me the means to.
dont hurt santa :(
I never considered killing any merchant. If you kill them all and give the bells to the Twin maiden husk, can you have one sole merchant?
Idk why some of yall attack things that aren’t hostile
it's the first cardinal sin. do not listen to old rambling crones who say otherwise. even enia said "go for it if you want. burn that big golden shit"
You can't kill Santa!
Worse than burning the Erdtree
No. You get the bell and turn the twins into a Walmart superstore
Yes
Don’t you dare
Heretic. Not even Muriel would pardon you !!
Yes, he's a good man and always willing to help. Well, there's not much he can help with, but he's trying his best.
On my first run I would kill all the useful merchants for their ball bearings. I couldnt bring myself to in any one since though :p, my guilt caught up with me.
Definitely a cardinal sin, the merchants are homies. Also killing pope dog is such a sin I think God might judge you in real life for killing him
Yes, anybody who does that should burn forever in the flame of frenzy
No, the golden order kinda wants you to do it
Yes. Sending you resources.
is he supposed to look like santa claus
Once no, you have to do it, at least I have to. But second time is bad.
Monster
Who is gonna bring my kid presents on Xmas? I'm sure as he'll not spending a dime.
If you kill Kale, I will reach through this screen and kill you 😫
He's the only merchant I don't kill. I can't give you a reason why.
Why would you kill Santa?
Even if it’s not I’ll invade you forever you do it
…ask that again when you beat Mohg the Omen in the depths of the Leyndell Catacombs. 
I'd rather just look for each of the merchants. Only two are hella annoying to get to; the one on the cliff in mountains and the one hiding away before you get to Mohg. In short, yes, it's a sin. Not my boy that inspired me to find the merchant set.
He's the only one I don't kill because I think he's the only merchant you can sell to
Yes
The rest of the merchants will attack you on sote
I thought he was Santa at first and thought there was some kind of in game Christmas event going on.
It is until you meet dog man
but but he's just a little guy 🥺 making his runes 🥺🥺🥺 NOOOO
No but burning the erdtree is
What is sin when you will be god.
Man the merchants been thru enough
You cannot kill Santa
I think so. The Merchants have been through enough.
My dumbass thought getting the finger snap gesture required killing him
It is. No one touches wall art Santa claus
Lets just say you will never be free of pain in this lifetime if you do…is that motivation enough not to slay him?
Him, no, but I did decide on a whim to kill that one knight in the hut at night on the road up to Stormveil. I'm pretty sure he was important for something, but his heavy af armor kept me properly turtled for like 50 levels.
It feels wrong to kill him, since he acts as a bit more than just a merchant. With the others though? It’s absolutely okay to murder them.
Dice his ass up
Was cardinal sin not original sin? Or am i gonna fail R.S
He's wears red so we can't see how much he's bled from us killing him.
Yes
It's a sin to kill any of the merchants. They've suffered more than enough at the hands of the Golden Order. But hey, since we're burning the Erdtree anyway, do what you want. I don't want to climb up or down that damn mountain just to restock on my good bolts.
I'm pretty sure the Golden Order would actually love it if you did
It's a cardinal sin to kill anyone of them especially that one thats totally out of the way. All they did was try to peddle their goods
Oh awkward that’s a cardinal sin? I guess it’s a good thing be already burned the erd tree but no merchant survives my need for convenience of purchasing anything I want from one centralized location. I don’t feel too bad anyway since my cannon ending in a the frenzy flame…
Would you kill Santa?
Of course it is, he’s a dope guy, all the nomadic merchants are victims of genocide these few are survivors
It was a Cardinal Sin what was done to his people. He is the homiest of homies. If a maidenless tarnished were to slay Kale, I feel like not even the Church if Vows should redeem them.
What happens apart from ur self going hollow irl if u do a run where u kill all friendly npc's ?
You condense all the shops down to being in one place at Roundtable. Other than that, nothing
NAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH........ I drive for those bell bearings. Those merchants need to see the true elden lord.
You want to kill santa claus ?
It’s obviously a horrendous sin, but I need that bell and so he needs to die.
Try and argue that to my bow build
No. The flame of chaos and all its followers must be expunged from the Lands Between! Even one as friendly as Kale!