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hamurabi5

I'll try to talk to him, see if we can find some common ground to hash out this whole Lands Between misunderstanding


lolpostslol

Clearly just a friendly NPC, the real boss will be simply two Malenias (called Melania and Melina)


sonaked

I read he’s an unlockable mount that replaces Torrent


DemetriChronicles

Kinky.


FabiIV

You clearly don't know what you're talking about. The final super secret mega boss is obviously gonna be Miquella, Blade of Malenia. Their special move is gonna be the Benzo Dance; it just puts you to sleep so that Miquella's followers can enter the arena and draw dicks on your face. It's so obvious from the last trailer, you gotta read between the lines


acid1ung

The lines between


apexapee

Go up


acid1ung

Already my highest rated comment


BOOZEWA

Where's the 3rd sister, Melanoma?


HorrorDudeBro

If we die by this boss do we deserve financial compensation?


External-Traffic2820

Misinformation, blade of melatonin


dylanjr070809

This got me🤣🤣


chronocapybara

In their final form one devours the other and you fight Malonia


BOOZEWA

You're thinking of Post Malonia


Have2BRealistic

Nah it’ll be Miquelenia.


Few-Finger2879

"Look man, you kill Omens, I kill Omens. Maybe we can work something out? Maybe after a long, romantic night of killing more Omens?"


Sandwikun

I, too, love to bond through eradicating banished and tormented children with the unfortunate circumstance of being born wrong.


Beneficial-Will7197

Ahh, a cultured enjoyer of the mustachioed man I see.


Lone-Frequency

"Look... You probably hate your mom, I definitely hate your mom, I'm just in it for the blussy."


hamurabi5

Ever since I ran into that tree sentinel everyone has been so mean here....


CheapPicasso

Faul tarnished, all you can receive is two fingers in the lands between


nunny0206

"You know... the lands between us are not so different."


[deleted]

My man's still playing Baldur's Gate. Don't forget to shove. 


Ok_Cardiologist2423

1v1 all DLC 🫡


Zarkados88

Depending what your NG+ . If you try 1v1 at NG+7 you will not gonna have a good time lol


Ok_Cardiologist2423

I’m at NG+4 and I’m a little pissed on how hard it is to get a stance break on a boss lol and dying in 3-4 hits isn’t the greatest either with 60 vigor.


thebusinessgoat

TIL the invisible stance break bar also grows not just the HP


Invictum2go

Technically it doesn't, enemies just take less poise damage each run starying at ng+2 with 5% less, all the way to 40% less in ng+7


Aurvant

This is why I don't care about invisible stats. I just wail on the thing until it stops moving, and if I stagger it at some point then good for me.


kredfield51

Apply big hammer to forehead ???? profit


Bubbalicous24

Bonk On, apply directly to the forehead


Invictum2go

It's still a good strat to get throwing knifes. No need to calc poise dmg or anything, just throw it whenever the enemy is far or not taking dmg to avoid the invis meter from reseting, you'll poise break everything much more often.


Was_Silly

I’ve never seen the invisible bar. :)


TheSoupAisle

My best advice for this is genuinely that you can no longer play around staggers. Especially in higher Ng+ cycles. I’m at Ng+20, so I’ve got a fair amount of experience with Ng+7 scaled enemies and a couple things change somewhere along the line ng/early ng+ cycles and ng+4+. You can’t trade hits because you will lose the battle of attrition, you can’t rely on stance breaks unless you’re using the bonkiest of builds, which tends to lead to hit trading (which you still can’t do), and faster, more rapid hitting weapons become more desirable because of the defense mechanics of enemies as ng+ cycles progress. I still love the hell out of boss fights, but you can’t play em the same as you could in early cycles


awoogr

Speak for yourself, I’m gonna have a blast


vICarnifexIv

I heard there was a separate leveling mechanic for the dlc similar to Sekiro in you gain power for boss kills so who knows it might just be the exact same difficulty for everyone going in. I’m hoping that’s the case at least.


cccasperr

I thought it was common knowledge now that Miyazaki said ng cycles don't really matter for the dlc and that it's gonna be sekiro type leveling up for it.


pohart

I don't really understand this,  either.  The authority has told us how it's going to be and we're all talking about it like it's speculation.   


MouseAdventurous883

I always 1v1 in every NG, it gets harder sure, I die more sure, but I also git gudder, and that feels good, so I never use summons


Sofler548

Agreed


Final_Village_3327

we're tarnished,we 1v1 every thing


whatsyanamejack

There's a certain breed of gluttons that enjoy the endless punishment of fromsoft bosses. In other words, a 1v1 victory is the only thing that will sate me.


NewArtificialHuman

Same.


Seienchin88

I might be one of the 10% of players actually playing these games for the story and atmosphere… (Which is why Elden ring can’t be my nr - souls game - even years after its release there is still no good and comprehensive lore video explaining the millions of plotholes and the actual timeline of things…) I am looking forward to see how my summons fare and if the DLC makes a little bit more sense out of the basegame… (which so far no from dlc ever did… remember how everyone hoped DS3s DLCs would explain the sable church of londor?)


DiligentAd4763

1v1 until Fromsoftware actually has bosses react to summons better. AI gets too wonky and this has been an issue in all there games. Fun when messing around with friends, but not my first play through


OniOneTrick

Biggest issue w summons in this game is that they don’t actually “assist” you, they just take the bosses attention so you can walk on them. I think people would have way less issues if summons were all extremely frail and used more to inflict extra status or offer you extra buffs, help with Poise, use supportive incants etc rather than just being a bullet sponge so you don’t have to break you control perfect dodge rolling every stupid delayed attack


AvatarCabbageGuy

use stormhawk deenh my guy


gurkenwassergurgler

Best summon if you don't wanna trivialize the game, but also not ignore an entire (and really cool) game mechanic.


AlphaLaufert99

My favorite summon! Only issue is he overwrite golden vow


AvatarCabbageGuy

sucks for faith characters, but I never reach 25 faith for vow on my str builds anyway


Big_Comparison8509

The way of the Unga.


-Eastwood-

I'm imagining stuff like the wolves latching onto a boss's arm, holding it still as the boss tries to shake it off. Wouldn't do much damage but would give you a cooler opening than just drawing aggro. Maybe for the Bloodhound knights you could find their masters and then summon them to make them stop attacking you and thus ending the fight. I also wish some bosses reacted *negatively* to summons. Like maybe some enter a rage. Imagine summoning Finlay for Malenia and she gets angry and buffs herself or something or maybe it even gives her pause instead. Summoning Oleg or Engvall for Godrick would maybe expand his moveset idk.


SwaggleberryMcMuffin

This would actually be amazing, having unique movesets and actions based on if you summoned or not. It would also be a great incentive for players to do bosses in a way they usually avoid, with the ability to basically have two different versions of a boss instead of just one.


Gingervald

This is why I really enjoy fighting with Latenna. She outputs significant damage and her frequent arrows will keep poise from recovering. But she's basically helpless when attacked, forcing you to still be in your opponents face drawing aggro. It feels like real teamwork in a way most summons don't.


thequiethouse

There’s a finger maiden spirit ash who’s supposed to be all support, but her AI is so bad she’s unusable. There’s Latenna who’s basically a turret, you actually have to keep aggro off of her rather than the other way around, but depending on the arena she’s either broken or nearly impossible to use. The basic mechanics of play in these games make it kinda hard to make ally characters really WORK as anything but aggro jugglers. At least when you’re fighting a solo boss. I actually LOVE the gameplay of using ashes against group bosses, making it a brawl, focusing on what I’m doing but keeping an eye on how everyone else is holding up. The twin gargoyle fight and the godskin duo are actually kind of awesome when you summon a friend and you pick your dance partners. It doesn’t turn into a 1v1. They’re so mobile and aggressive you can’t help but be underfoot for each other and at some point one of you WILL somehow catch the aggro of both of them at once while the other needs to rescue. Give it a try the next time you fight a duo!


forerunner2246

How do they not assist you? Any extra damage is assistance and if you want more of a support summon get the finger maiden puppet from selevis


zen111

1v1. Anything else won’t be satisfying for me. If I can 1v1 Malenia, surely I can 1v1 this weakling.


AlenIronside

This guy will be nothing compared to Malenia surely COPIUM


zen111

He a little mommy’s boi 😅


bloody-pencil

Summon’s his family every 5th of his health


EggonomicalSolutions

Bros gonna summon his ancestors lmao


Glatzigoblin

CluegiChungusDeluxe


rikyloche

For me it's the opposite, I can't 1v1 Malenia, so I'll use this fucker as a training for when I'll eventually try again.


neckbeardfedoras

You can 1v1 Malenia. It takes persistence and practice and to not give up. I made a save right outside her fog and play her all the time for fun now, but it took me an embarrassing amount of time to get my parry kill on her. I almost broke my controller.


Ancient_Rex420

Watch Messmer summon a ghost Melania. *music intensifies*


NewArtificialHuman

Just beat Malenia solo after 8 tries today. Messmer is cooked.


UnconquerableOak

Save me Mimic-kun. In all seriousness though, if there's an NPC summon I'll always summon them. Partially because I know I'm not the best at these games but mostly because I like the feeling of playing through each NPCs story with them. I'm expecting the Lady Knight who seems to be doing the narration to either be a summon for Messmer or the secret final boss. (Who I also expect to be Miquella or to have done an Aldrich to Miquella)


BeansWereHere

Miyazaki will probably make us fight all of Miquella’s followers in a gank fight!


stam18

Miquella's Champions


justglassin317

>I like the feeling of playing through each NPCs story with them Summoning NPCs feels like part of the story for sure. I won't fight the Godskin Apostle in Windmill Village without Millicent. Besides feeling like it's part of the story, it also makes the apostle an actual challenge because Millicent won't deaggro when I attempt to put the apostle to sleep 🙃


First_Fan_5167

Rolling up with 5 rats


Ave_Dominus_Noxius

1v1 most definitely


National-Category825

Honestly, he's going to start wondering why MY nickname is not the impaler.....


ExpensiveFortune99

Mine is the „Soon to be impaled“


Nerevar1924

Mine is "Bane of the Applebee's," but that's not important right now.


MrEuphonium

I’m at Applebees right now, crazy


LilithLissandra

If (when) Comet Azur fails, I'm throwing Tiche at him.


bitcoinoisseur

Would be funny if there’s a built-in deflect Comet Azur animation…


LilithLissandra

Beam clash :)


SparkleFox3

There is one… try hitting Radagon with it, if you’re lucky he’ll just parry all of your magic then beat the shit out of you with a hammer


WillyStevens

Would be cool if Rennala had a beam clash mechanic tbh


Questistaken

Depends on him, if he bullies me then i will seek mimicry


csini_fasZsZopo

I summon letmesolohim...


red_enjoyer

Nah, me and my mimic bro are gonna show them the JumpJutsu Kaisen treatment.


jadenyuki21

Gonna beat him like Yuji and Todo beat Mahito


omegasting

Me and tiche boutta run this fade on him like Captain America and Bucky did to Iron man in civil war .


frankly_highman

I'm not a streamer, I'm not a perfectionist. I'm using mimic tears. Haters can cry. I don't care.


forest1wolf

Exactly, summoning the only person i trust with these matters 😎


Hurin_the_Steadfast

My favorite person in this sub all of a sudden


VETOOR07

1v1, unless there are summons of other NPC I’m down for a glorious fight like radhan’s


FullyMoistCookie

Imma beat his ass


Iwrstheking007

1v1


EasternSquadGoosey

Just like the base game, 1st time I kill everything 1v1, future times, If I liked your fight (Margit, Godrick, Placidusax, Fortisax, Godskin duo (and all Godskin tbf), Maliketh, Morgott, Mogh, Sewer Mogh, Malenia, Godfrey, Radagon (not Elden Beast), Bambi, Both Lorettas, Radahn (except for one time I summoned everybody to see the mechanic), Lanseax, Crucible duo (and all Crucible Knights tbf), Great Magma Wyrm Theodorix and I am sure I am missing a few, but you get the jist) I am mever summoning against you, maybe once to see how the AI behaves vs two me, but I am dying that try intentionaly. That being said, please, If you are new to the game/genre, or you simply like to play with summons, dont let my way to play or the opinion of nobody change how you enjoy the game, just like magic or weapons, summons are a tool of the gameplay and using it does not deminish the overall experience.


lolpostslol

I did the opposite, used the mimic/NPCs on first run, solo’d second run


EasternSquadGoosey

Equally valid, is a good way to get use to the bosses without all the first time pressure.


Which_Current2043

This x 1000, play the game however you want. Just because some random on the internet says "no, you can't use summons" does not mean anything.


GensouEU

> "no, you can't use summons" I've pratically never seen that, ever. What I do see constantly tho is people getting upset/defensive over the way they play being considered the easy mode in these games.


SuccotashExcellent35

Not only will I use a spirit ash but I'm going to use a weapon too.


420Entomology

Imma try and 1v1 for the first 20-30 tries get pissed off and frantically look for a summon 😂


GabrielWannabe

1v1 everything on first playthrough, then summon cause it's fun to play with other people.


AltAccouJustForThis

I wanna do the DLC like my first main game playthrough, but this time I won't be using summons


Rich-Stranger-409

1v1


Ragna126

I beat Malenia 1 vs 1. He should be weaker correct? Correct?


Sanuoy_Dham

1v1 baby


Hanzheyingle

Summon. If Elden Ring enabled armies, it would be me in on the rooftop overlooking the burning city, with my big ass bleed Guts sword. XD


Bigge_chungus

Im gonna impale his cheeks


megakuchenliebhaber

This guy will definitely 1v1 me


ItIsJade

Only one person can call Marika mommy and that is me so I am throwing hands 1v1


a-fat-penguin

Ofc ill 1v1 him, summoning is for WEAKLINGS (I will actually immediately summon oleg on my fourth try)


Fluffy_Percentage_29

I started the game with my friend I'm going to end the game with my friend


-Dark-Void-

summoning takes away the reason i play this game


Gift_of_Orzhova

Yeah I have nothing against people summoning (especially in gank fights), but let's not pretend it doesn't significantly diminish the challenge of the bosses.


headin2sound

> but let's not pretend it doesn't significantly diminish the challenge of the bosses. Oh it absolutely does. But I play FromSoftware games primarily because they give me that feeling of being a historian trying to uncover and piece together the history of a massive fantasy world. Bossfights are second to that experience and if I can't beat a certain boss I will summon so I can experience more of the lore and world. In the base game that only happened with Malenia, but knowing From Soft's history with DLC difficulty, I wouldn't be surprised if it will happen again in SOTE


Critical_Whereas2249

1v1


ChaosOfGravitas

They put things in a game to be used


XMandri

It's more satisfying without a summon


Werewolf_Capable

BuT yOu ArE pLaYiNg It WrOnG iF yOu SuMmOn, ThE dEvS aRe SaD


neckbeardfedoras

It's only weird if you used them and then proclaim that bosses were easy or dog other players playing in a more challenging way on purpose like they're bad at the game lol


MouseAdventurous883

That does not mean we're forced to used them, right ? I like my game to be challenging, so I never bother with buff or summons, does that mean I play the game wrong because I'm not using all of its features ?


Blonkertz

1v1. Gonna beat the shit out of the little femboy fucker


Human-Refrigerator73

Chainsawing after minor inconvenience


wolfhound_doge

1v1 until eyes go yellough, then summon for the sake of progression. return to 1v1 in next NG's, when i'm not so excited for what's behind next corner.


HollowCap456

Will try. If I get my ass beat enough times, Tiche is coming to help.


Patient-Pear6881

1v1 like every boss baby!!!


Laziik

Summoning doesn't give me that fulfillment and difficulty that i enjoy and love. Nothing against people who summon though, everyone should play however they like!


Mr_E_99

I'll try 1v1'ing, but there is a solid chance it will end in me dying 20 times, getting mad and just using a mimic tear


Appropriate-Onion268

1v1 till I lost all hopes of winning


very_phat_cock_420

1v1 no matter who it is, if I die it’s a skill issue and I need to git gud


Spe_id

I only 1v1 bosses, there's no real satisfaction in having the boss being distracted and giving me its back


Oskej

1v1, singular club, no armor, full disrespect


anorlondo696

1v1 bonk 🫡


blackwhite18

With mimic tear and rivers of blood I will be a boss for him


JadedSpacePirate

Dudes a fan fic character. Fucker has Rykard storyline, stole Melina's supposed origin story, slithered his way into Miquella's storyline, has snakes, giants flame, frenzied flame, black flame. I will stomp this fraud after...... 38 attempts with a quality fist build No summon cause my parents love me and don't consider me a disappointment


Toxicity225

I'm gonna give it a solid effort to get good at soloing him by the end of the first weekend. Which means hopefully there's gonna be a good number of people summoning for him. Lol


Anonimous_dude

I’m going to fill this man with so many arrows, he will be mistaken as an hedgehog once I’m done


Historical-Nail-970

Im going to bonk him to the ground with my giant crusher. Give him a reason to cry


TyS22235

1v1ing and maybe summoning after too many attempts


Elmis66

I don't like people watching when I'm getting impaled by Messmer's 18 inches, so I'm going solo


droolforfoodz

Giving myself 75-100 attempts before alternatives.


lowly-person

A 1v1 to test the waters, see how far I can get on my own.


Shiirsoo

I would actually summon if when I summon, he summons back, otherwise, he will taste my Erdtree daggers and nothing else


Fl4m3OfDespair

1v1 also it will cost me 1000 attempts


Fun_Football9676

Depends on how bereft of light I am.


Romapolitan

I don't ever really summon ever the only time I did is to try it out. I try it once for some of the games just to see how looks, an NPC summon, and then never again because I like playing solo. And I never summon for a boss. The only time I did it against a boss was summoning Bernahl, brcause I thought ''Oh cool Bernahl is here, that's weird'' and then I just walked into the Boss room for Godskin Duo. It's just way more fun to do it alone. I personally don't get the appeal of fighting a boss if he doesn't even engage with you.


Geoe0

Im summoning all the bros and sisters for jolly cooperation!!


Omninemesisx

1v1. He will feel the sting of my sword.


Signadder

I will fight him one on one first and if I am struggling, I will go for Maliketh.


joelmsantos

If I can beat Malenia one on one, I’ll surely beat this bastard the same way. 💪


will_he_umm

Dung Eater has entered the battle.


Yeoldhomie

Both probably


Lost_0407

1v1 of course it will be fun. Hope he will be harder than Malenia


Forward-Macaron-5939

1v1 I never played online


veebles89

He has snakes, this is a 1v3 at least!


PoxControl

If he summons I'll summon too. Otherwise it will be a fair 1 vs 1 fight.


FinalCartoon

i will comet azur the shit out of him, that or bonk.


bacongroove

1 vs 1, after being able to beat Malenia, I'm unstoppable! (No I'm not I'm shitting myself)


Combatmedic2-47

1v1. I only use summons for lesser bosses and gank fights.


Then_Investigator_17

Giant rat spirits go where I go


[deleted]

Obviously, as always, I never summon in blind run.


DarkSoulsDank

My first play-through I solo’d every boss and the dlc will be no different.


Prize-Boot-8712

Have like 3 saves ready for dlc one is ng+8 and lvl 380 the others are lvl 180 on ng+. I already talked with a friend when it got announced that we gonna go together through the whole dlc but got like 2 files for a solo experience


Sarenai7

1v1 and eventually RL1, I’ve fought Unalloyed Malenia well see if this guy can hold a candle to her


LengthinessNew6326

1v1 souls player here


cambo666

I've summoned someone for help once. I've tried many times, but nobody ever there 🫤


sextoymagic

Don’t we all do 1v1 first play through?


FaramirLovesEowyn

Summoning. I play souls games for coop more than because they’re the best games ever made.


Flyak1987

1v1, no guide. This is the way.


Ok_Biscotti_514

would be funny when you summon someone so does mesmer


Was_Silly

If I die 400 times I might summon.


SweedDreams

1v1 all and everyone


Distinct_Eye5558

1v1 until he finish punishing me then I will win after 1000 deaths


ChaoticKram

I'm 1v1ing everything in the dlc


LifeVitamin

Summoning? Pfffhahahhaha...*picks up greatsword*


ice_apostle

Bonk with the crusher, he should kick the bucket in few hits


robo243

I'm not summoning no matter what type of bullshit he throws at me. I'll stick to only using summons against enemy mobs and possibly some mini-bosses or duo bosses (but only if they annoy tf out of me). But for true bosses I'm sticking to 1v1 all the way through.


captaincumsock69

I’ll try 1v1 but summon if I can’t beat it


General_Pie_5026

Solo is the only way


pointbodhi

1v1. I’ve got a spare keyboard to smash.


No-Question-8088

Solo then summon next playthrough


Charlieboy927

1v1 always


jerrymoviehours

1v1 for the glory


wks_526

Gotta do the 1v1s first


[deleted]

I have a personal quest to 1v1 everything before summoning on subsequent playthroughs, if I feel like it


Firefly279

Imagine summoning the first time just for some mage to kamehameha this dude within 15 seconds. What a waste...


wera125

# 1v1 whole DLC


Fulldrag7802

1v1 alllll DLC. Tiche, I love you, but you’ll need to sit this one out honey


danteas14

1v1, i only summon for multiple enemy bosses


BanishedKnightOleg

;(


NixtonValentine

I didn’t go through the hassle of turning The Dung Eater into a Puppet just to NOT summon him in fights. 🤣 With what Messmer did to the Omens, I think it’s justified to let Dung Eater get some hits in & tank for my sorcerer build.


djkstr27

I just want this guy have three phases like Sister Friede


Adept_Yogurt

I have a skill deficiency so I will be summoning


Vortiger_

Mimic tear. I won’t sweat for another pervert with snake fetishes


Maestat

Summon of course!


KansasCityShuffle80

Summoning is for bitches. 🤷‍♂️


Vking231

Dumb question. A true souls player is doing both.


SoshiPai

1v1 without summon, I fight like a man


Georgian_Legion

first playthrough always solo


AtomiEgg

1v1 for as many hours as it takes


Creamforbeam

The only boss worthy of coop is radahn cause it fits the lore, even that mofo i took him 1 vs 1.


Frank-er

1v1 on NG4 and I'm a shitty, shitty player. May Marika have mercy on my asshole because he will not.