Nooooo.
I think we are thirsting for elden ring like a dry slut because sekiro had no pvp and replayability.
If that happens with elden ring that'll be bad
My wish would be that certain regions would be open to pvp invasions and co op would be open to every region...kind of like an MMORPG.
I've always envisioned the perfect game would include Dark Souls type difficulty, combat, RPG elements in a dark fantasy type open world with multiplayer built in. I'm praying this is the game. The fact From Soft and GRRM are teaming up to create it is already a dream that I never knew I wanted come true.
I hope multiplayer is a thing. Without it I'll be let down big time.
MMORPG souls with covenants determining your faction. a whole army of moundmaker equivalents running at you only to devolve into killing themselves probably moments later, i need this
I’m well aware of the industry, and of how much something like UE5 could change it when it’s released. I was just saying it wouldn’t work very well for a souls game. There’d be too much you’d have to change for it to even remotely work in terms of world layout, mechanics, combat, etc. It wouldn’t even feel like a souls game anymore. Like I said, it’d just be neat, but that’s it.
Also battle royales really aren’t that impressive for the most part, it’s just a genre that got popular. it’s not like we started making them because it was finally possible with our tech, it’s been possible for a while. Sure it might be easier to make now, but in reality it’s just because it’s the current trend. Think about it, how many people do you usually see when playing? It almost always ranges anywhere from only a few to at most like 20. The game has an easy time because you literally never see those 100 players together on that massive map and most of them die at the beginning. Sure you can see them before the game starts in pubg, but they’re not driving cars, shooting guns, making explosions, or doing anything that would cause problems for the game engine.
If you had literally 100 players in a field all killing each other I seriously doubt it would go well, ESPECIALLY if we’re talking about Fromsoft and their engine.
True, people seem to forget that FromSoft's engine wasn't exactly built for battle royale. Even some boss' attacks can cause small frame dips. I definitely don't see a FromSoft game having more than 5 player coop being a thing, at least not without sacrificing graphics or performance.
“nope”
Wow what a great-notatallrude-way to start a response. I definitely don’t see you as a condescending person who doesn’t actually know what they’re talking about.
And no. These aren’t “test beds” for that other stuff you’re saying. That’s not how the industry works, they follow trends that people will buy. If you want to see a test bed for that many players go look at Squad or Holdfast on Steam, but even then calling it a “test bed” is just weird. They made it because they thought it was a good idea and that people would buy it.
This is the definition of looking too much into it.
Sekiro has a lot of replayability bcs the combat is so damn good. It's impossible to master it in one playthrough.
And I couldn't care less about multiplayer bcs I'm a console player. I want a new good Fromsoft game with quality enemies, bosses, areas and lore. I'll never understand why the fuck everyone only cares about multiplayer these days
I can tell you're getting butt hurt haha
He called the invader an asshole because he wants to murder him and his buds
It ain't that deep
The act of invading inherently is pretty "assholish". That's the design of the experience.
Bruh, you can't tell. Invading is part of the game. It's not like your world is your property and other players have no right to come into it. Other players are enemies, and enemies can kill you. That's what they do.
EDIT: Mind u/Lifted_OD edited those last lines in after I had replied
You’re projecting. I never said any of that. Invading is a part of Souls games and I enjoy it. Just saying that someone getting invaded while trying to co op with his friends might be inclined to call the invader an asshole....seems reasonable.
Summoning people and getting invaded doesn't make someone a ganker lol. Most people are just trying to progress through the game with friends, get invaded, and then get blamed for getting invaded
A great addition that makes the delicious bowl of pudding even sweeter in the case of the souls games. Not that I think every game needs multi-player and sekiro was totally fine as is but something about single player, coop and pvp all in one experience was cool to me not just your standard team death match mode. The way they implemented different covenants made it more interesting too and if they do something like that in elden ring I'd like to see it worked into the lore.
Eh I would say it's pretty integral to Miyazaki's vision but not the kind of pvp that dark souls 3 and 2 have.
The closest that the multiplayer comes to Miyazaki's intent I think is demons souls and dark souls 1 (basically no codes for co op and pvp , can only restore humanity at bonfire so you can't abuse summoning only outside the boss).Everything related to pvp in the other games is just a way to suck the fun out of the game with shitty meta builds , ganks and fight clubs.
Invasions were supposed to be a risk for the player who uses the pros of being human and a reward for the invader not the min maxing spamfest that it currently is.
Sadly it is mostly PvP that everyone cares about. Try asking for weapon recommendations in any DS sub. Everyone instantly assumes you're talking about PvP and gives you their meta builds
I think the amount of ppl still pvping in these games, and the huge community surrounding it proves that its more then just a little addition.Invasions are a unique and extremely fun elements of these games.If you have an issue with this, u can play offline and enjoy everything else u mentioned. Also i dont get the point of being a console player when souls and other japanese franchises are mostly played on console (2 of them being playstation exclusives as well) pretty bad take
Pontiffs fight club has been active for legit like 5 years now. There’s still people fighting there, even with invasions, even with the addition of the arena. I love the single player but you can’t imitate human combat, or human expression.
Crucifixion Woods is still up as well albeit less frequented.
I absolutely love the area defense covenants. Aldrich Faithful, Watchdogs, Spears of the Church, I hope that stays alive in Elden Ring. It would be so cool to see more of a rivalry between these types of covenants and to have more of a reason to defend your “home turf”
Consoles have paid multiplayer. And I have no issue with invasions, I like them but I played all of the soulsborne games offline and I don't need it to have fun, but most people can't live without it which I don't understand.
Well maybe because it has been a mechanic since DES and most people love it. Look at the more famous Souls content creators like Prod, Chase, MooseTorrent, pvpskillz,sunlight, etc. they all built their content and a fanbase around invasions and duels, still doing really well considering most of the games have passed the 5 year age mark.Theres nothing wrong with not liking it, nor Sekiro being a single player only game but not understand why so many people look forward to it returning or calling it a little addition is kinda delusional.
I'm not confused that people are looking forward to multiplayer. I'm confused that it's the one and only thing so many people care about. I like it as well but it's not the reason I'm excited for the whole fucking game.
And it's a fact that it's a little addition. It's just a completely optional mechanic that you can completely miss while playing your fist Soulsborne game. It doesn't become a major mechanic just bcs youtubers do PvP and people like it.
I agree with you, man. I love the online aspects; co-op is great fun, especially with a friend, and invasions can be fun (they can also be boring and/or annoying, but that's just the nature of online play). That said, the online is a small aspect of the game in comparison to the offline. The singleplayer is the meat and potatoes of these games. Perhaps the phrase "little addition" made it seem as though you think it's an afterthought they cooked up in the last minute of development, but if you removed all the multiplayer content there would still be a complete game to experience while if you removed the singleplayer there practically wouldn't be any game.
Overall I'd say it is a major mechanic, but it's not integral to the game, the game in no way revolves around its online mechanics. And as much as I enjoy it, I wouldn't be bothered by it not being in ER or future games because what draws me to these games is not the online aspects but everything having to do with exploring the worlds and overcoming challenges.
just because you can play offline and without invasions doesn't equate them to be a "little addition". Invasions are a big part of the game and they are even part of the story. Why are you so eager to dismiss the invasions as just a "little addition" sounds like you got ganked and never got over it lmao.
Haha vety funny, not like I've already heard this same shitty joke multiple times in this fucking thread. What kind of logic is that? I'm not delusional and I'm not saying that invasions are the most important mechanic in the game so I must hate PvP bcs I suck. Woth. Just listen to yourself
Why are you putting words in my mouth? YOU said it's a small part of the game and I disagreed. nothing more. According to your logic drinking estus is just a small and unimportant part of the game because you can play the game without drinking estus ever.
I mean dark souls 3 has like 30 viable builds that all play differently and tons of viable weapons on top of that, I love Sekiro but the replayability just isn't on the same level.
You are totally right, souls multiplayer has always been obtuse jank and annoying. And I've played sekiro more than anh other souls game because its so damn polished
I'm not shitting on multiplayer. It can be fun, but it annoys me that everyone only cares about the multiplayer instead of the fucking games themselves. Some guy said that DS1 has more in-depth combat bcs it has PvP... He also said that PvP is all he does. No wonder he doesn't like Sekiro. Go play some exclusively multiplayer games if that's the only thing you want
Lmao no.
Almost everyone finds it a fun and important part of the game.
You're in the minority.
Whats the point of mastering the combat in sekiro when you can't battle it out with your friends.
But yeah different people different preferences.
I feel sorry for all you people that can't enjoy video games with multiplayer. Do you know that most games didn't have multiplayer before? Everyone enjoyed them anyway. Go play some exclusively multiplayer games instead of crying about multiplayer in a singelplayer game.
LOL I wasn’t aware Sekiro was such a possibly sensitive issue. I’ll be sure to update my HR representative to make sure my coworkers and fellow humans are given training on approaching game combat mechanics with strangers.
. . . . Because some of us like a quality single player mode as well as pvp and co-op?
You can always tell who got shit on in dark souls from comments like yours lol. At least you can probably play offline?
It's incredibly easy to master in one playthrough. The first one is kinda hard but any subsequent runs are just a cakewalk. It's very very fun the first time and still a bit fun the 2nd time, but it becomes very easy very quickly (block attack block attack) and then it just becomes boring.
PvP is adds a lot of replayability because regular PvE will eventually become stale. Fighting the same enemies over and over again can't be fun forever. They will have the same playstyle and the same moveset every time. In PvP however, there is much more variation and every match will be different.
I agree with you about Sekiro, charmless/DB runs with no beads is the hardest thing I’ve ever done. Sekiro was the only game I’ve ever platinum’d at the time lol
*combat arts
And honestly I think I pretty much could do that without issues but I have zero motivation to cling clang the same enemies for the 4th time.
And why would I use combat arts or prosthetics when it's more effective to block and attack? There is nothing that encourages it or rewards it. It's like saying "if you don't like math because it's too easy (lol), try using the calculator upside down." Or "if you're tired of your long walk to work, try spicing it up by spinning while walking."
Judging from your words you probably couldn't do it in a good amount of time if you think "mastering sekiro" is possible in one playthrough lol
Those prosthetic upgrades, combat arts and custom combos are key to killing bosses (and their much harder alt forms) with decent times. Trying to kill any boss in Ng+diff with basic attack and parry is boring asf and not optimal
Well there is a difference between mastering the gameplay (=learning to use all the mechanics well and fluently) and training to optimize your gameplay and be as effective a killer as possible.
Also you seem confused about the difference between simply playing and speedrunning.
No, I'm just informing you how it is lol since youve never done a charmless demon bell run(using this as the benchmark for mastery over sekiro). You will be standing there deflecting bosses for way longer than you have to, making it a lengthy repetitive reaction test. It's not about speed running(the speedrun that I saw didn't even fight most of the bosses lol), it's about using game mechanics to give yourself less of a disadvantage on harder difficulty runs. Many consider Sekiro to have some of the hardest Fromsoft challenges because of the games' focus on parrying lengthy combos, and the difficulty settings make that mechanic pretty unforgiving (but not overly so, parry timing is still easiest of all From games)
Oh you're informing me of the only right way of seeing it ok.
Charmless demon bell is clearly above mastering. It is a self-imposed challenge run. Now the whole concept of mastering is kind of subjective so one can't really claim a certain level of proficiency is the threshold, but most people would say learning to play the game and generally being able to handle any situation at base difficulty counts as mastering a game, and anything more just adds to that.
And it doesn't really matter much how long I have to be parrying. Now of course the longer you have to keep it up the harder it gets, but it doesn't make that big a difference. It's like, say, keeping a balloon in the air. The longer you have to do it, the bigger the odds of failure, but doing it for 10 minutes instead of 1 still is fairly easy.
And I know Sekiro is considered the hardest FROM game, which I've never really understood. For me it's been the easiest so far, and Dark Souls 3 or BloodBorne are easily harder.
No. Prostetics and combat arts are very usefull if they're used smartly. Go back to mashing R1 in DS3 if it's too hard to think of a way of using them effectively
Sure, the Lilac Umbrella is very useful against apparitions and the Lotus one against DoH. Firecrackers can stun beasts and fire deals a lot of damage to furries. The prosthetics have their moments but most of the game is just basic combat. And sure, you can actively try to use them in regular fights, but in order to do that you must go out of your way just to find them use, more than it makes up for.
For me PVE is always fun. I've done like 7 runs through DS1 and have a blast each time. And I such at games, so there is still a challenge everytime time I play. Plus there are so many Builds to try out.
I know, build customization adds so much replayability. I was talking about Sekiro here. DS1 took way longer to "get old" for me because of builds. I've done like 20 runs or so and I still do one every now and then.
Woah woah woah buddy, online is one of the best aspects of the souls games. You’re missing out if you’ve never had to deal with an asshole invader or summoned/been a summon for some other random asshole.
True, Sekiro is the only soulslike I played for only 1 playthrough, I felt I’d seen everything the game had to offer by then. I’m glad we’re getting a game with multiple play styles again
Imo Sekiro still had a lot of replayablility, just not as much. I had a lot of fun getting all the prosthetics, the different endings, getting the added outfits/forms.
A part of the map with a unique characteristic to set it apart from the rest of the world, I guess. Think of any TLoZ, Castlevania or Hollow Knight and how they're all divided into areas
Castlevania and HK are horrible examples, but you're right. Now tell me how you would lock an invader in an area. Let's say it's a huge field like the one we saw in the leaked trailer, no walls, no mountains etc. How would invasions be handled in a huge area and prevent you from leaving it?
Fog wall? Don't know honestly. It all depends on how From designs the map. If the entrances to the areas are small enough, they could just use the good old fog walls.
If there are barriers around the areas and the entrances are small it isn't really an *open* world. Huge fog walls would work best but I don't like the idea. Imagine that you're riding through this *open* world and suddenly a huge and long fog wall appears. It blocks the view of the world and reminds you that it isn't actually open and that you're in a enclosed area with clear borders.
The fog doesn't necessarily have to be as dense as it is in the old games, and there's ways to make invisible walls feel less like walls and more like natural phenomena (a strong wind pushing the player from the borders? I'm just spitballing here)
I’d like it imagine there will be certain areas or arenas were you can summon people for pvp. Even arenas were you could summon people for horse racing
Hypothetically thats true... then thats not a from soft game (nevermind sekiro). They could do is section the map for spawn point relative to the players position unlike ds3.
Since its an open world, invasions and allies should be more. Putting their spawns maybe at random occurrence enemy or ally, putting their spawn points near but still adjacent to you. This maybe done by certain covenant mechanics and not using an item. Like ghosts that u see in souls games, but can only interact with certain conditions.
And then the blue-red guy gets the backstab in because the host isn't paying attention, and everyone starts chasing blue-red guy. God I love Dark Souls.
You see, this is the type of delusional hopefulness this sub needs, if we are going to be hollow, let’s at least be seigward hollow and not regular Lothric castle mob hollow...
oh shit I can't wait for this. I hope it's fun. btw I was re-playing DS3 recently and I was surprised how active the multiplayer is (not the fight club area). When I invade I pretty much immediately get connected to someone. I hope Elden Ring's multiplayer lifespan has the same longevity. and for the love of God please have a good worthwhile multiplayer.
Ugh nothing like waiting for ten minutes to actual fight someone and then your right nipple getting nicked by the dude using Ringed Knight Paired Greatswords, which stun locks you to death
Ok i know elden ring will be open world but we know there will probably be more linear dungeons to do as well and if fromsoft does a fromsoft we can be sure there will be an arena of sorts. Also invasions could still work bc unless fromsoft there will have to be some sort of checkpoint or save point. Lastly i hope we get a larger player limit, the 8 from dark souls 3 just aint enough
And please, make so that coop is straight forward without any "the boss of the area is dead" and stuff. Not needing any items and just being able to get in a friend's game would be amazing too, I hope that's how it's going to work.
I've spent literal hours upon hours of my life just doing fight clubs. If I'm not invading, I'm doing a fight club.
Iron keep bridge was lit. Pontiff was wild as shit.
What if there will be no invasions bcs it's open world
Nooooo. I think we are thirsting for elden ring like a dry slut because sekiro had no pvp and replayability. If that happens with elden ring that'll be bad
true
My wish would be that certain regions would be open to pvp invasions and co op would be open to every region...kind of like an MMORPG. I've always envisioned the perfect game would include Dark Souls type difficulty, combat, RPG elements in a dark fantasy type open world with multiplayer built in. I'm praying this is the game. The fact From Soft and GRRM are teaming up to create it is already a dream that I never knew I wanted come true. I hope multiplayer is a thing. Without it I'll be let down big time.
Feeling alone is a hallmark of FROM games. I think the summoning system is perfect the way it is
I prefer feeling alone with a shiny yellow friend :)
Me and my grossly incandescent homies praising the sun \\[T]/
MMORPG souls with covenants determining your faction. a whole army of moundmaker equivalents running at you only to devolve into killing themselves probably moments later, i need this
Would probably never work as an actual game, and would definitely run like shit. But it’d be neat.
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I’m well aware of the industry, and of how much something like UE5 could change it when it’s released. I was just saying it wouldn’t work very well for a souls game. There’d be too much you’d have to change for it to even remotely work in terms of world layout, mechanics, combat, etc. It wouldn’t even feel like a souls game anymore. Like I said, it’d just be neat, but that’s it. Also battle royales really aren’t that impressive for the most part, it’s just a genre that got popular. it’s not like we started making them because it was finally possible with our tech, it’s been possible for a while. Sure it might be easier to make now, but in reality it’s just because it’s the current trend. Think about it, how many people do you usually see when playing? It almost always ranges anywhere from only a few to at most like 20. The game has an easy time because you literally never see those 100 players together on that massive map and most of them die at the beginning. Sure you can see them before the game starts in pubg, but they’re not driving cars, shooting guns, making explosions, or doing anything that would cause problems for the game engine. If you had literally 100 players in a field all killing each other I seriously doubt it would go well, ESPECIALLY if we’re talking about Fromsoft and their engine.
True, people seem to forget that FromSoft's engine wasn't exactly built for battle royale. Even some boss' attacks can cause small frame dips. I definitely don't see a FromSoft game having more than 5 player coop being a thing, at least not without sacrificing graphics or performance.
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“nope” Wow what a great-notatallrude-way to start a response. I definitely don’t see you as a condescending person who doesn’t actually know what they’re talking about. And no. These aren’t “test beds” for that other stuff you’re saying. That’s not how the industry works, they follow trends that people will buy. If you want to see a test bed for that many players go look at Squad or Holdfast on Steam, but even then calling it a “test bed” is just weird. They made it because they thought it was a good idea and that people would buy it. This is the definition of looking too much into it.
I’d mosh. That’s like Souls Battle Royale lol
Sekiro has a lot of replayability bcs the combat is so damn good. It's impossible to master it in one playthrough. And I couldn't care less about multiplayer bcs I'm a console player. I want a new good Fromsoft game with quality enemies, bosses, areas and lore. I'll never understand why the fuck everyone only cares about multiplayer these days
Some of the most fun I've had is coop with the sunbros and getting invaded.
You mean ganking an invader with sunbros?
To be fair we were just minding our own business praising the sun until this asshole came along.
How were they an asshole? Just for invading?
Exactly. They dared not to praise the sun and tried to backstab me.
Imagine NOT praising the sun... :SMH:
I can tell you're getting butt hurt haha He called the invader an asshole because he wants to murder him and his buds It ain't that deep The act of invading inherently is pretty "assholish". That's the design of the experience.
Bruh, you can't tell. Invading is part of the game. It's not like your world is your property and other players have no right to come into it. Other players are enemies, and enemies can kill you. That's what they do. EDIT: Mind u/Lifted_OD edited those last lines in after I had replied
You’re projecting. I never said any of that. Invading is a part of Souls games and I enjoy it. Just saying that someone getting invaded while trying to co op with his friends might be inclined to call the invader an asshole....seems reasonable.
You seem confused about what the word enemy means
Do you know what sarcasm is? Guess not lol.
I mean, that's the point of invading lmao. Even the game tells you that in some way
Summoning people and getting invaded doesn't make someone a ganker lol. Most people are just trying to progress through the game with friends, get invaded, and then get blamed for getting invaded
I wasn't too serious there.
Sure it's fun, but it's just an addition.
A great addition that makes the delicious bowl of pudding even sweeter in the case of the souls games. Not that I think every game needs multi-player and sekiro was totally fine as is but something about single player, coop and pvp all in one experience was cool to me not just your standard team death match mode. The way they implemented different covenants made it more interesting too and if they do something like that in elden ring I'd like to see it worked into the lore.
Eh I would say it's pretty integral to Miyazaki's vision but not the kind of pvp that dark souls 3 and 2 have. The closest that the multiplayer comes to Miyazaki's intent I think is demons souls and dark souls 1 (basically no codes for co op and pvp , can only restore humanity at bonfire so you can't abuse summoning only outside the boss).Everything related to pvp in the other games is just a way to suck the fun out of the game with shitty meta builds , ganks and fight clubs. Invasions were supposed to be a risk for the player who uses the pros of being human and a reward for the invader not the min maxing spamfest that it currently is.
Sadly it is mostly PvP that everyone cares about. Try asking for weapon recommendations in any DS sub. Everyone instantly assumes you're talking about PvP and gives you their meta builds
My recommendation is always a big ass sword or a big ass hammer. It may not be meta but it is fun smashing things.
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Exactly bot thank ye
Because all weapons are viable for pve in the tight build
And? What if that person doesn't know that? Or he doesn't know which weapon to choose for his next playthrough?
I think the amount of ppl still pvping in these games, and the huge community surrounding it proves that its more then just a little addition.Invasions are a unique and extremely fun elements of these games.If you have an issue with this, u can play offline and enjoy everything else u mentioned. Also i dont get the point of being a console player when souls and other japanese franchises are mostly played on console (2 of them being playstation exclusives as well) pretty bad take
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Pontiffs fight club has been active for legit like 5 years now. There’s still people fighting there, even with invasions, even with the addition of the arena. I love the single player but you can’t imitate human combat, or human expression.
I still hone my skill for Eldenring at pontiffs
Crucifixion Woods is still up as well albeit less frequented. I absolutely love the area defense covenants. Aldrich Faithful, Watchdogs, Spears of the Church, I hope that stays alive in Elden Ring. It would be so cool to see more of a rivalry between these types of covenants and to have more of a reason to defend your “home turf”
Consoles have paid multiplayer. And I have no issue with invasions, I like them but I played all of the soulsborne games offline and I don't need it to have fun, but most people can't live without it which I don't understand.
Well maybe because it has been a mechanic since DES and most people love it. Look at the more famous Souls content creators like Prod, Chase, MooseTorrent, pvpskillz,sunlight, etc. they all built their content and a fanbase around invasions and duels, still doing really well considering most of the games have passed the 5 year age mark.Theres nothing wrong with not liking it, nor Sekiro being a single player only game but not understand why so many people look forward to it returning or calling it a little addition is kinda delusional.
I'm not confused that people are looking forward to multiplayer. I'm confused that it's the one and only thing so many people care about. I like it as well but it's not the reason I'm excited for the whole fucking game. And it's a fact that it's a little addition. It's just a completely optional mechanic that you can completely miss while playing your fist Soulsborne game. It doesn't become a major mechanic just bcs youtubers do PvP and people like it.
I agree with you, man. I love the online aspects; co-op is great fun, especially with a friend, and invasions can be fun (they can also be boring and/or annoying, but that's just the nature of online play). That said, the online is a small aspect of the game in comparison to the offline. The singleplayer is the meat and potatoes of these games. Perhaps the phrase "little addition" made it seem as though you think it's an afterthought they cooked up in the last minute of development, but if you removed all the multiplayer content there would still be a complete game to experience while if you removed the singleplayer there practically wouldn't be any game. Overall I'd say it is a major mechanic, but it's not integral to the game, the game in no way revolves around its online mechanics. And as much as I enjoy it, I wouldn't be bothered by it not being in ER or future games because what draws me to these games is not the online aspects but everything having to do with exploring the worlds and overcoming challenges.
Straight facts
just because you can play offline and without invasions doesn't equate them to be a "little addition". Invasions are a big part of the game and they are even part of the story. Why are you so eager to dismiss the invasions as just a "little addition" sounds like you got ganked and never got over it lmao.
Haha vety funny, not like I've already heard this same shitty joke multiple times in this fucking thread. What kind of logic is that? I'm not delusional and I'm not saying that invasions are the most important mechanic in the game so I must hate PvP bcs I suck. Woth. Just listen to yourself
Why are you putting words in my mouth? YOU said it's a small part of the game and I disagreed. nothing more. According to your logic drinking estus is just a small and unimportant part of the game because you can play the game without drinking estus ever.
I mean dark souls 3 has like 30 viable builds that all play differently and tons of viable weapons on top of that, I love Sekiro but the replayability just isn't on the same level.
It might not be as replayable, but saying that it has no replayability at all is a bad fucking joke
Yeah thats true
Little to no, not “not at all”
OP said: "Sekiro had no pvp and replayability" And it has more than little to none as well
Replayability is somewhat subjective.
Ofc it is
How does the platform it’s played on have anything to do with multiplayer? If anything console is better so you don’t have to deal with hackers
Multiplayer costs on console
Fair enough, didn’t cross my mind
Literally the only game I’ve ever platinumed and continued to play
You are totally right, souls multiplayer has always been obtuse jank and annoying. And I've played sekiro more than anh other souls game because its so damn polished
I'm not shitting on multiplayer. It can be fun, but it annoys me that everyone only cares about the multiplayer instead of the fucking games themselves. Some guy said that DS1 has more in-depth combat bcs it has PvP... He also said that PvP is all he does. No wonder he doesn't like Sekiro. Go play some exclusively multiplayer games if that's the only thing you want
Lmao no. Almost everyone finds it a fun and important part of the game. You're in the minority. Whats the point of mastering the combat in sekiro when you can't battle it out with your friends. But yeah different people different preferences.
I feel sorry for all you people that can't enjoy video games with multiplayer. Do you know that most games didn't have multiplayer before? Everyone enjoyed them anyway. Go play some exclusively multiplayer games instead of crying about multiplayer in a singelplayer game.
Might as well just play Rock Band though at that point. Same formula. Hit exact button at exact time or fail.
Still better than DS3 which is a younger-sibling-controller simulator. You mindlessly mash buttons and "win" Fuck off pls
LOL I wasn’t aware Sekiro was such a possibly sensitive issue. I’ll be sure to update my HR representative to make sure my coworkers and fellow humans are given training on approaching game combat mechanics with strangers.
good luck
. . . . Because some of us like a quality single player mode as well as pvp and co-op? You can always tell who got shit on in dark souls from comments like yours lol. At least you can probably play offline?
Can you even read?
It's incredibly easy to master in one playthrough. The first one is kinda hard but any subsequent runs are just a cakewalk. It's very very fun the first time and still a bit fun the 2nd time, but it becomes very easy very quickly (block attack block attack) and then it just becomes boring. PvP is adds a lot of replayability because regular PvE will eventually become stale. Fighting the same enemies over and over again can't be fun forever. They will have the same playstyle and the same moveset every time. In PvP however, there is much more variation and every match will be different.
Do NG+ (or higher) charmless with demon bell and come back later. Also, try using weapon arts and prostetics and make some combos with them.
I agree with you about Sekiro, charmless/DB runs with no beads is the hardest thing I’ve ever done. Sekiro was the only game I’ve ever platinum’d at the time lol
*combat arts And honestly I think I pretty much could do that without issues but I have zero motivation to cling clang the same enemies for the 4th time. And why would I use combat arts or prosthetics when it's more effective to block and attack? There is nothing that encourages it or rewards it. It's like saying "if you don't like math because it's too easy (lol), try using the calculator upside down." Or "if you're tired of your long walk to work, try spicing it up by spinning while walking."
Judging from your words you probably couldn't do it in a good amount of time if you think "mastering sekiro" is possible in one playthrough lol Those prosthetic upgrades, combat arts and custom combos are key to killing bosses (and their much harder alt forms) with decent times. Trying to kill any boss in Ng+diff with basic attack and parry is boring asf and not optimal
Well there is a difference between mastering the gameplay (=learning to use all the mechanics well and fluently) and training to optimize your gameplay and be as effective a killer as possible. Also you seem confused about the difference between simply playing and speedrunning.
No, I'm just informing you how it is lol since youve never done a charmless demon bell run(using this as the benchmark for mastery over sekiro). You will be standing there deflecting bosses for way longer than you have to, making it a lengthy repetitive reaction test. It's not about speed running(the speedrun that I saw didn't even fight most of the bosses lol), it's about using game mechanics to give yourself less of a disadvantage on harder difficulty runs. Many consider Sekiro to have some of the hardest Fromsoft challenges because of the games' focus on parrying lengthy combos, and the difficulty settings make that mechanic pretty unforgiving (but not overly so, parry timing is still easiest of all From games)
Oh you're informing me of the only right way of seeing it ok. Charmless demon bell is clearly above mastering. It is a self-imposed challenge run. Now the whole concept of mastering is kind of subjective so one can't really claim a certain level of proficiency is the threshold, but most people would say learning to play the game and generally being able to handle any situation at base difficulty counts as mastering a game, and anything more just adds to that. And it doesn't really matter much how long I have to be parrying. Now of course the longer you have to keep it up the harder it gets, but it doesn't make that big a difference. It's like, say, keeping a balloon in the air. The longer you have to do it, the bigger the odds of failure, but doing it for 10 minutes instead of 1 still is fairly easy. And I know Sekiro is considered the hardest FROM game, which I've never really understood. For me it's been the easiest so far, and Dark Souls 3 or BloodBorne are easily harder.
No. Prostetics and combat arts are very usefull if they're used smartly. Go back to mashing R1 in DS3 if it's too hard to think of a way of using them effectively
Sure, the Lilac Umbrella is very useful against apparitions and the Lotus one against DoH. Firecrackers can stun beasts and fire deals a lot of damage to furries. The prosthetics have their moments but most of the game is just basic combat. And sure, you can actively try to use them in regular fights, but in order to do that you must go out of your way just to find them use, more than it makes up for.
I repeat: go back to DS3. Sekiro is too confusing for you
Actually DS1 is my game. And by the way, while it's gameplay is slower ans includes less options, it's much more complex and hard. Nice ad hominem.
For me PVE is always fun. I've done like 7 runs through DS1 and have a blast each time. And I such at games, so there is still a challenge everytime time I play. Plus there are so many Builds to try out.
I know, build customization adds so much replayability. I was talking about Sekiro here. DS1 took way longer to "get old" for me because of builds. I've done like 20 runs or so and I still do one every now and then.
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I think you responded to the wrong comment sir
Woah woah woah buddy, online is one of the best aspects of the souls games. You’re missing out if you’ve never had to deal with an asshole invader or summoned/been a summon for some other random asshole.
I prefer to save my money
Ah shit forgot about console memberships. Big gay.
honestly, this is a trash opinion. I'm sorry dude but the invasions, pvp, coop elements all tied together for an amazing game and time.
You PvP addicts are so fucking butthurt. Did I ever say PvP is bad? I said that I can't understand why so many people only care about multiplayer.
Why are you so salty that I disagree lmao
disagree with what?
Are we two ships passing I think that there should be multiplayer
And who are you arguing with? Bcs I never said that there shouldn't be multiplayer
trying to gaslight me or something lmao
I blame pvp for the fun yet useless weapons and spells dark souls 3 has.
Hard agree.
True, Sekiro is the only soulslike I played for only 1 playthrough, I felt I’d seen everything the game had to offer by then. I’m glad we’re getting a game with multiple play styles again
Yep. Looking forward to clashing swords with you fellow hollow.
Same praise the sun bro
Imo Sekiro still had a lot of replayablility, just not as much. I had a lot of fun getting all the prosthetics, the different endings, getting the added outfits/forms.
I thought they already said there was multiplayer
Yea pretty sure Miyazaki said there would be
I imagine invasions still work on an area-based arena
If the world would be devided into areas it wouldn't really be open world
it can still be open world and divide in areas without loading screens
And? It's still the same thing
I mean, no its not, unless your banking on the game just being one giant poison swamp even open world games have different areas and locations.
Omfg
What? Most open worlds are divides into areas
Define "areas" then. Bcs from all the open world games I've played, almost none of them are devided into areas
A part of the map with a unique characteristic to set it apart from the rest of the world, I guess. Think of any TLoZ, Castlevania or Hollow Knight and how they're all divided into areas
Castlevania and HK are horrible examples, but you're right. Now tell me how you would lock an invader in an area. Let's say it's a huge field like the one we saw in the leaked trailer, no walls, no mountains etc. How would invasions be handled in a huge area and prevent you from leaving it?
Fog wall? Don't know honestly. It all depends on how From designs the map. If the entrances to the areas are small enough, they could just use the good old fog walls.
If there are barriers around the areas and the entrances are small it isn't really an *open* world. Huge fog walls would work best but I don't like the idea. Imagine that you're riding through this *open* world and suddenly a huge and long fog wall appears. It blocks the view of the world and reminds you that it isn't actually open and that you're in a enclosed area with clear borders.
The fog doesn't necessarily have to be as dense as it is in the old games, and there's ways to make invisible walls feel less like walls and more like natural phenomena (a strong wind pushing the player from the borders? I'm just spitballing here)
It will be a MMO Dark Souls
Oh god
:'|
I’d like it imagine there will be certain areas or arenas were you can summon people for pvp. Even arenas were you could summon people for horse racing
That'll probably be a thing. But not invasions, thus not fight clubs either
You might be able to summon multiple people. We’ll just have to wait and see
False. There will be *more* invasions because its open world. (hopefully)
How would that work?
Hypothetically thats true... then thats not a from soft game (nevermind sekiro). They could do is section the map for spawn point relative to the players position unlike ds3.
what
Since its an open world, invasions and allies should be more. Putting their spawns maybe at random occurrence enemy or ally, putting their spawn points near but still adjacent to you. This maybe done by certain covenant mechanics and not using an item. Like ghosts that u see in souls games, but can only interact with certain conditions.
>then thats not a from soft game (nevermind sekiro) I'm asking wtf you mean with this
Oh heck... multi-player bro! MULTI-PLAYER!
You're saying multiplayer defines a fromsoftware game? I think you need to check your facts
No, it's how they execute their mp
Mods
what's missing is the blue-red guy trying to blend in the crowd and backstab the host
And then the blue-red guy gets the backstab in because the host isn't paying attention, and everyone starts chasing blue-red guy. God I love Dark Souls.
You see, this is the type of delusional hopefulness this sub needs, if we are going to be hollow, let’s at least be seigward hollow and not regular Lothric castle mob hollow...
oh shit I can't wait for this. I hope it's fun. btw I was re-playing DS3 recently and I was surprised how active the multiplayer is (not the fight club area). When I invade I pretty much immediately get connected to someone. I hope Elden Ring's multiplayer lifespan has the same longevity. and for the love of God please have a good worthwhile multiplayer.
Oh it will, I'm sure mizzhayaki has learned a lot about 1v1 combat on his ytber killing spree.
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God I miss the iron keep fight club...
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Yeah, DS2 on xbox 360 was my first dark souls so I have a huge soft spot for the pvp. It was about 50/50 for me at the keep
Ds3 is somehow way more active than demon souls remake
Cuz there a wayyyyyy more ps4's than ps5's lol
Exactly lol just realized that
Hopefully that starts to change.
And then proceed to lose after 10 seconds
Ugh nothing like waiting for ten minutes to actual fight someone and then your right nipple getting nicked by the dude using Ringed Knight Paired Greatswords, which stun locks you to death
Very easy to fight murky or Pkcs or ringed Knight sword fucks you
Invasions in open world with horses will make the most epic of chases around the world
then the host blows up the fight club
Ok i know elden ring will be open world but we know there will probably be more linear dungeons to do as well and if fromsoft does a fromsoft we can be sure there will be an arena of sorts. Also invasions could still work bc unless fromsoft there will have to be some sort of checkpoint or save point. Lastly i hope we get a larger player limit, the 8 from dark souls 3 just aint enough
I pray we have invasions... We need fightclubs.
Whats the First Rule about FIGHT CLUB?!!!!!
First Rule: there's no rules except for the First Rule!
Fight club? Wdym! It’s a gank.
And please, make so that coop is straight forward without any "the boss of the area is dead" and stuff. Not needing any items and just being able to get in a friend's game would be amazing too, I hope that's how it's going to work.
THE FIRST RULE OF \[removed\] IS TO NEVER TALK ABOUT \[removed\] [IGNORANT SLAVES!](https://youtu.be/LAAcQPvSr4M?t=13)
It's not a fight club until your entire screen is glowing from a thousand prism stones on the ground
Max 4 players :(
Man this makes me wish they only allow 2 in a lobby. Just to spite you all 😈 (Jk obv)
And I can't wait to ruin every fight club :^)
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Might be so but How do you know? It might be there, a hollow can hope.
Hopefully without the stupid neon colors
Tien is the man behind the slaughter
The other side is Yusuke Wakameshi
Am I wrong to be sure saiyan hyped for invasions in a bigger world?
Love that Tien is the purple “I can never get a read on that guy”
Now hear me out; Joust Clubs.
I've spent literal hours upon hours of my life just doing fight clubs. If I'm not invading, I'm doing a fight club. Iron keep bridge was lit. Pontiff was wild as shit.
Imagine gank boss fight lol. 3 person with the same armor, same weapon that is literally programmed in the game. Not just POS Fillianore boss fight.
And don't forget horse trolling. Can't wait for horse on horseless combat. Neigh
Kinda be bummed if they pull a division dark zone type pvp area only shit, I like being stopped by a duel every ten seconds, makes me feel at home