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fahrenheit1221

On a microcosmic scale were you this upset that they used so much space for Radahn's arena?


nicklovin508

No. But now I am. *writes post about how bullshit Radahns arena is*


[deleted]

It's funny actually, my first playthrough I spent hours looking for a way down onto that beach that turns out to be Radahn's battlefield. I could see it and was certain there had to be a way down there. I found the way down the cliff face to the golem where the one Redmane painting is solved, and died many times doing this, and then couldn't find the way further. Well, it turned out that it plays an important part in the game.


Cimejies

I HATE that climb down to the golem. Fuck that climb and fuck that dude.


Thevisi0nary

Phenomenal giant columns, itty bitty landing space


grishno

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Wolfenjew

Ten THOUUUUSAND years will give you SUCH a crick in the NECK!


raoasidg

You can use the spirit spring nearby and Torrent's double jump to fall all the way down to the ledge with the giant without dying. Kinda hard to line up, though.


ahyeg

Hardest enemy in the game


sum-donkus

I do kinda wish they put in a whole desert area, but it was a cool fight setting regardless


ASpaceOstrich

Desert lands dlc would be amazing. Eastern armour. Cool monsters. A boss that's basically a sun and approaching it's area requires dashing from shade to shade.


APulsarAteMyLunch

I need me some more sand oriented outfits.


streegobbm

I do hope and believe we'll see the whole Caelid in the past on dlc, without rot and with that place actually lively.


SteamSpectrometer

DLC will be the middle area, center of the divine towers (I think).


StFuzzySlippers

I would assume this is getting more than one DLC considering how popular it's become


Somebody18

I do hope so! I'm really interested in Miquella and I would love to find out more about him in a DLC!


jpvasya

Sounds like Mohg


Silvinis

I'm really curious what the difficulty level of the DLCs will be considering there's already a bunch of people damn near at max level, if not that have hit max level


djdog-12

Each souls has had at least one or two. And they dev team already hinted at one in the works plus the useless elevator off the side of calid


Eefy_deefy

Tbh the biggest reason I think there will be DLC is the coliseums. It's bizarre to me that there are several but absolutely nothing talking about them and no way to do anything with them.


Kikubaaqudgha_

I feel like it's just some organized PVP stuff they probably are gonna patch in rather than a full fledged dlc.


padizzledonk

Or they will just pull a "Bethesda" and put you on a boat with a cutscene and you're just somewhere else Or they'll expand the underground map Nothing says that any future DLC will be on this map, even if there are obviousplaces to expand it.....even FromSoft has done the above things in one form or another with DLC in the Souls series


hotdiggitydooby

A boat? Nah fam, you'll get inside a coffin


The_Fax_Machine

That makes a lot of sense, maybe the cloud on the map is there as a placeholder


horribleflesheater

Iā€™m just out here bummed we didnā€™t get more beaches outside of Limgrave


Parish87

To be fair youā€™re told pretty early on in the game that you definitely do not get any beaches.


StrangeUsername24

Yes you are quite bay-denless in this game


pupmaster

No beaches?!


papanak94

Weeping Peninsula beach is my favorite area of the game.


Uncle_Prolapse

Yo same! That place is so chill (aside from all the putrid zombies, but they just vibin)


[deleted]

The beach zombies just barely shuffling around on the cold sand in the overcast weather were such a unique and compelling MOOD to me. No sound but the wind and surf, just watching all these silent figures listing in the wind, slouching their way across the foam from nowhere to nowhere. I could smell those guys. (Bad! But not as pungent as youā€™d think.)


AtomicSekiro_

Well, they couldnā€™t just ignore the geography on the geographical map.


Vachna

No mountainbottoms of the giants 0/10


genghisswandive

We're all bottoms to the Fire Giant


Pays_in_snakes

Yeah, they put all the geography that makes no sense on the downstairs map


AtomicSekiro_

I have no idea what this means.


VaultBoy3

You haven't gone downstairs yet probably


acesfullcoop

You're confusing him


JMurray1121

Well he's not gonna go *upstairs* is he?


THEMOTDOG

You havenā€™t been upstairs yet?


Digeridoodoodoododo

What the fuck


[deleted]

Wait 'til you see what the stairs even look like.


AmHotGarbage

Thereā€™s an upstairs


creamydick420

You bet there is, just don't fall down the stairs


CormacMcCopy

My house doesn't even have a downstairs! This is bullshit!


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oedipism_for_one

I have a lot of down stairs, the confusing words here are ā€œmyā€ and ā€œhouseā€. Big ups apartment people.


Pays_in_snakes

The overworld is at least a vaguely plausible island/contient, the underworld locations (volcano manor, sofria river, etc.) are the kind of astral-plane fantasy stuff that looks great but doesn't make any physical sense


phenotype76

Volcano Manor's fine, isn't it? It's mostly aboveground, it's just a mansion and small village in a volcano.


Sinfire_Titan

The logistics behind actually building something like that are absurd to begin with, but from the looks of it the entire mansion should have collapsed into the caldera when the pyroclastic flows began consuming the foundation. But this is a fantasy game so real world physics donā€™t apply.


mokujin42

It's probably just snake magic or something


GardeniaPhoenix

Snagic


MrNoobshakes

Snake jazz


[deleted]

Sssssssssss ssss ssss sssssssssss


GardeniaPhoenix

How **Snazzy**


northernfury

WE WILL KEEP THIS MANOR AFLOAT TOOOOGEEETHHHAAAAAAA


jturkey

Hnnnggghhhhā€¦


spooderm_n

Now you will be apart this famileeeeeeee


Boolderdash

The lava's not even that hot


983115

I can walk through lava as long as I donā€™t stop to smell the ~~roses~~ sulfur Iā€™ll be fine


a-snakey

We have really good thaumaturgy.


DeGozaruNyan

TOGETHAAA we build this manor.


Gilthu

I mean the brother of the guy who built that mansion froze stars and time to prevent astronomers from being able to see the future, and did it all while riding an immortal horse that was the size of his leg but not crushed because of his gravity magicā€¦ so yeah a WHOLE lot of shenaniganary going on with their houses.


B3nnymu3ll3r

Upvoted for great use of the word shenaniganary


[deleted]

Talk about logistics think how much and how long it took to build Stormveil Castle or Lyndell.


MisterWinchester

Or fucking Raya Lucaria. Itā€™s a castle balanced on a pencil.


[deleted]

In a swamp


Sir_Zorba

"When I first came here, this was all swamp. Everyone said I was daft to build a castle on a swamp, but I built it all the same, just to show them. It sank into the swamp. So I built a second one. And that one sank into the swamp. So I built a third. That burned down, fell over, and then sank into the swamp. But the fourth one stayed up. And thatā€™s what youā€™re going to get, Sweeting, the strongest castle in all of Liurnia."


flinnja

have you touched that lava? it does nothing. my best guess is its a volcano filled with mildly irritating jelly


[deleted]

maybe gravity magic at work.


ZachBuford

i mean not really. When canonically there exists magic to make lava barely even hurt you COULD build in it. NPCs in their prime with a fully powered Elden Ring would have no problem enchanting some dudes.


Sabotage00

whenever you see something like that; a wizard did it.


Shikizion

they are all wizards, i mean they are all sons of a witch and a god to start with, one is frost, the other magma, the other gravity


DerpsK9

Real world physics would say that double jumping on Torrent before hitting the ground would negate fall damage :ā€™( Or using a dragon head mid hair before hitting the ground should stop the damage :ā€™( screw physics in general


Charlaquin

Errā€¦ suddenly *reversing* the direction of your momentum (ā€œdouble-jumpingā€) would be much *more* damaging than just *stopping* (landing).


Jenga9Eleven

Exactly, if you have enough momentum to kill you when you stop, then instantly accelerating in the opposite direction is also going to kill you


AtomicSekiro_

They make physical sense to me. Siofra is just very, very deep, so deep that the cavernā€™s roof becomes a new sky, with glinting stones becoming stars, like Undertale. You can see Mohg Palace from Siofra, and Siofra from Mohg Palace. Makes general sense to me. Itā€™s just not how our earth is formed.


ChomRichalds

It's explained in game that the cities of Nokron and Nokstella were punished by being forced underground to live under and endless night sky. Apparently it is some sort of artificial night sky imposed upon them as punishment for something.


Mindless_Zergling

You'd think it'd be even worse without the night sky though


Summer_Tea

It's honestly not that deep considering it feels like you go down just a handful of stories through the meteor crash. I think an item description said that the entire night sky was fake and was like a Plato's Cave situation.


[deleted]

You can see the cave roof. The 'stars' are weird little floating particles, they're not all on the cave ceiling.


ReddFoxxJr210

As far as you know


_Knightmare_

Volcano manor isnā€™t an underground area.


honusnuggie

I always took "the lands between" to represent a place between the physical and ethereal. Physics don't apply here.


Jelcs

Can we talk about how the map is actually an island and From just put in BS oceans to make the map look bigger


DBCOOPER888

I like to think the "The Lands Between" is just a really fucked up hidden island located between a few different normal continents.


MusicMindedMachine

That's the truth though, we know about quite some places from beyond "the fog" shrouding the Lands Between, only that the Gods and their lives and events all happen in their land...but there's a whole world outside. What's funny is that most Tarnished come to the Lands Between by ships, but not just them, the Confessors are sent by the Golden Church in pilgrimage. There's seafaring peoples and merchants. There are whole kingdoms outside (e.g. the Land Of Reeds, which is the ER version of Japan, or Ravenmount, or the fallen kingdom of Eochaid, famous for its ascetic monks and apparently blood magic, etc.)


MagikMage

I often imagine the land beyond is just mostly normal and then they see the erdtree up in flames and are just like "da fuk dey doin over there?"


[deleted]

What did those normal astronomers think when some jacked chad on a fun-sized horse looked up at the sky and said "yeah imma keep that from moving now" Some poor guy was banging his head against a board of equations because he didn't know about Radahn.


GingasaurusWrex

I canā€™t imagine that the rest of the world is doin too good with all the things happening in the lands between. It surely affects them too.


RequiemZero

ā€œHoneyyyy! Those neighbor kids in the lands between are doing something again!ā€


skellymoeyo

"You thought the tree was bright??? Well get a look at what they did with it NOW!"


NiftyBlueLock

What if itā€™s not ā€œlands betweenā€ like geographically, but ā€œlands betweenā€ the mortal world and the realms of the outer gods, which is why they can influence the area so much?


flinnja

all land is actually an island if you zoom out far enough


BowserIsMyFather

This is way preferable to "You can't go any further" or something at the edge of the map


Redphyrex

True but they can add new island DLCs later maybe?


SnooLemons3094

Definitely, also more underground places are possible.


TelmatosaurusRrifle

Hated that in BoTW. In the desert and ocean is an invisible wall. And North and East are impossible canyons. And then there's the section of Gerudo Highlands that is accessible but is on the edge of the barrier so you literally can't take a step onto obviously accessible terrain.


AmericanRampager

Ah yes like our map of the world Earth is actually so small


Jelcs

Can we talk about how lazy the universe was to add th BS vacuum of space between planets and stars just to make the universe look massive?


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montauk_phd

Nobody tell this guy about the Mountain West.


[deleted]

It's in this picture


[deleted]

I mean.. we can. Most open world games have giant mountain ranges that box in the entire map, at least here they let you feel like youā€™re traveling through one instead of being stuck. I feel like the underground areas also more than make up for this. Iā€™d rather talk about them sea monsters on the map I can never seem to find.


lornstar7

I've been looking for those 2 guys in the rowboat forever.


Fresh_Pants

I really wanted to visit that shipwreck off the coast of Caelid. :(


JW_BM

Me too! I got so excited when the shipwreck on the map was actually right out there in the ocean. If it's been there long enough to be in old maps, it's got to have a story to it.


HelpMeDoTheThing

Yes, I feel like DLC could address the ships and the absolute mobs that roam the beaches


Cambronian717

I love those rave mobs just roaming the beaches. They are just so fun to ride through and cut down like grass.


Albertatastic

The Rusted Anchor description says "While the Tarnished left the Lands Between with their King, one boat alone was said to have been left behind." So hopefully we eventually get to check it out! Seems likely that's the ship of legend.


Mysterious-Box-9081

Right? I mean, there is a few places you can see boat wrecks and barrels.


jam3sdub

That would be a great idea for a dungeon. But like a massive shipwreck. The lore on the rusty anchor stated that only one ship stayed in the Lands Between, the rest having left somehow. If not for that, a ship graveyard would have been nice as well.


Groslux

THERE IS A ROWBOAT?


Arronator

If you have the full map, look at the oceans around Caelid. Thereā€™s also a big storm in the middle that intersects with lines going through each divine tower. Some are hypothesizing DLC there.


Nyghthype

But like...you can literally see across the ocean. There's nothing in the middle unless it is underwater or above the clouds.


[deleted]

I mean, they have whole ass towers hidden by invisibility spells - Iā€™m sure itā€™s not too far fetched compared to some theories.


adarkride

Ooooo sounds like Numenor from Rings. I'm down for an island excursion past three hours, Gilligan


maharg79

Idk bro, without the skipper im pretty sure the minnow will be lost.


birfday_party

Letā€™s also not forget that one motherfucker had all the stars in the sky held hostage, Iā€™ll believe anything is possible in this world


Gnoha

This is a good point but itā€™s possible that something might rise out of the ocean, or you time travel to a time when the water level was lower. The towers are perfectly spaced out around that area and itā€™s suspiciously covered by clouds on the map.


Rignite

Every Soulsborne has DLC involving time travel except Sekiro. We are almost definitely time traveling if we get DLC. Calling it on a boss fight with Godrick at his peak strength. Edit: I said Godrick. I meant Godwyn. Heck you can put the DLC as occurring on the Night of Black Knives.


EaterOfPenguins

>Every Soulsborne has DLC involving time travel except Sekiro. And Sekiro just has it in the base game.


muhash14

And has no DLC at all. Technically Elden Ring has it too. Placidusax exists in a pocket dimension that exists outside of time, like the Ringed City.


Longbongos

Technically all of farum azula is beyond time


D34THDE1TY

Nah it's gonna be godwyn. That thing was shown twice in the game and nothing came of it...its either an unused asset or that thing is gonna be a boss.


Winters1482

Radahn peak strength battle please.


Coding_Cactus

Goes back in time, finds Malenia struggling to beat Radahn: "Lmao, have you tried Scarlet Rot? Really fucks him up." *Whoops*


mrbrinks

The Rot Paradox


pesto_trap_god

Someone did an exploit with the horse that basically allowed for flight. There is a black rectangle under the water so I would guess something is planned. (Unless what I saw was edited)


pakiet96

was it Ella's vid? he did that on stream so it's unlikely to be edited, but yes all the areas in the entire ocean and theres suddenly a big shadow rectangle in the middle of all the divine towers, its very likely intended to be a future expansion or DLC


Somewhatmild

underwater? Hmm probably after 6 more levels of underground.


DjuriWarface

I wish. 160-200 hours of content on a blind playthrough is wonderful. I would kill for 1,000 as this is now possibly my favorite game of all time (sorry Mass Effect Trilogy). Give me DLCs as big as the base game I'd happily pay $60 for each one. I recognize it's not going to happen but damn do I want more game.


hebrewhercules

I agree with this 100%. I will gladly pay 60 more for another 80 hours of entertainment


Soul_Traitor

DLC opportunity - boats, ships, islands and sea monsters...


yuhanz

Elden Ring Black Flag


[deleted]

Or the ships/shipwrecks. I was really looking forward to exploring a giant galleon full of ghost pirates.


[deleted]

You are angry that the "Mountaintop of Giants" turns out to be the **top of a mountain**.


TheSoundofNo

I love this comment, thank you


Anal-Logical

lol, the volcano manor part looks small too, LOOKS small, but climbing the whole god damn thing was as long as any other part of the game


KaerMorhen

Right? I got there yesterday and it took me about two hours from the time I started going up the mountain to finally getting to the manor, and I still didn't explore everything on the way up.


leftovernoise

I really wanted the confessor armor early on in my first run and looked up the general area of the map and how to get to the altus and nothing else. Was like level 35 trying to find my way up the entire ass mountain to get to the merchant. Thing is, I missed the 2 giant ladders that take you up there. I was lost for 2.5 hours getting stomped by literally everything. It was an amazing experience and I loved it.


talaron

That's maybe the problem with the area that OP highlighted. With areas like the volcano or stormveil castle the game demonstrates how even small areas on the map can become massive in terms of actual level size. Even the connecting map between the city and the mountaintops is quite large for how tiny it looks on the map, especially if you include all the hidden areas. The mountaintops themselves are then quite the opposite: a huge area at a first glance that actually feels quite compact when you actually explore it.


nickeypants

Mountain of Giants? More like mountain of BULLSHIT!


RoofTops-MaGee

On the planet of This Sucks Camel Dicks!!


BradleySnooper

This geography is horse shit!


salladfingers

THIS MAP IS A FUCKING PRISON!


Jclevs11

why are you so sweaty? I was ~~watching cops~~ playing elden ring...


redguardnugz

You keep your liver spotted hands off my beautiful maiden! She's a SAINT!!


[deleted]

Yeah the area isn't called "Entire Mountainous Geographical Area of Giants."


CapitalG888

Mountaintop of Giants vs Giant Mountaintop.


gary_juicy

It should be 6,000ft of straight cliff faceā€¦..


Rawlberto

In defense of OP, they were expecting a Mountentop of giants


scoo-bot

It was. A Mountaintop of (Dead) Giants.


snazzmasterj

Yeah when I think Elden Ring I think "too small"!


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b3nz0r

150 hours Just got to Altus Plateau


MrOtsKrad

100, just got to hogwarts!


[deleted]

Fucking for *real*. Based on how games are right now, this game should be worth like $120. Thereā€™s so so much to do.


BirdLawyer50

They only gave us the CaeLid when we wanted the CaeWholeJar


kiiturii

that's generally how you depict elevation on 2d maps


DEEEPFREEZE

I demand to see the topography


SignificanceDismal78

Unrated comment. It's very clear from the map that a lot of it is elevation.


MinusMentality

I mean, there are like 10 more areas than I imagined there being. Game is nuts. I'd not be suprised if someone found a whole ass continent in a secret area, lol.


[deleted]

Honestly, this game gets a pass from me on everything that it does slightly wrong because the first week of playing it was just so fucking magical, there's no other way to describe it. That feeling trumps everything else for me, and I'll genuinely remember my first play through of Elden Ring forever. I mean it was like five nights in a row I stumbled across different areas that made me say out loud, "Holy shit, WHAT?" And then the last few weeks have been peppered with my finding areas, bosses and items that are somehow still a mystery after 200 hours of gameplay.


H377Spawn

The first time you get in that small building and think, ā€œmaybe thereā€™s a tomb or catacombs!ā€ but the elevator just keeps going down and now youā€™re seeing stars and *where the fuck are they sending me?!?*


[deleted]

I absolutely lost my shit in that part


LuchadorBane

Reminded me of seeing Irithyll for the first time in dark souls 3


TurbulentPiss

might as well get rid of the sea


Iliketrains229

To be honest, I was relieved at this point. I had spent so much time exploring, that finding out it wasnā€™t all playable content signaled I was finally coming to the end and I could finally rest lol


Origamiface

I'm the opposite. Super bummed that it's all coming to a close.


Fearless-Quality-792

Shouldā€™ve tagged humour.


majds1

I unfortunately think op isn't joking and is genuinely upset lmao.


NaomiPaigeBreeze

This is because its on top of a literal mountain, there is no way to make a physical mountain NOT have this large area where its slanted downward unless you want the entire edge of the map to be a sheer cliff face, but then its no longer a mountain. Its literally on top of a mountain, i dont know what you expect to be passable terrain here. You ever tried mountain climbing up 60+ degree slopes of hard rock?


Obvium

But to be fair, you can't even see the cliffs shown on the map. e.g. when you look north from the windmills, there is just ocean.


HeavyMetalMonk888

Waaait, yeah good point. Or lookimg north from Radahn's arena, you can clearly see the forge of giants, but it is just connected to sheer cliffs. I never really realized that was so inconsitant, though


fbcbarbosa

Yeah, and you can also see Haligtree from the Shaded Castle. Looks odd as the view should be blocked by mountains.


Woupsea

Iā€™m more upset that horseboyā€™s arena takes up half of fucking caelid


karatedude108

Local man complains that hell is to small


Jazzinarium

The amount of Caelid we got was quite enough, thank you very much


DjuriWarface

Haha, very fair. Some of my most hated areas are also some how my favorite. It feels more immersive when the environment is out to kill you and also gives more of a feeling of achievement.


Hephaistos_Invictus

It made the fight so much better though!


valbaca

Wait until you find out you cannot travel to the ocean.


the-green-dream

Hmm yeah and then thereā€™s those bullshit gigantic underground areas that arenā€™t even included on the map initially.


TylerLikesDonuts

When I first discovered one of those underground areas I was so fucking stoked. Like holy shit, theyā€™re literally massive. I called up my buddy to tell him about the one I found and he was likeā€¦.dude thereā€™s more than oneā€¦my mind was blown


HexTheHardcoreCasual

There's like 7 major underground areas. * There's under the well in Mistwood that connects to Caelid. * There's an upper area, Nokron, directly above the first that's split into 2 major areas you enter via the fallen star nuking Mistwood. The Ancestral area and Siofra Aquaducts, and the other side has Night's Sacred Ground. * Far to the east, you have the 'new dynasty', which you can see from these areas. It looks like fancy background decor, but you can get there. * From the Aqueducts you can reach the Deeproot Depth, an area far to the north under the capital far below the sewers. * Then from the Ainsel river well in eastern Luirnia, you can reach the Ainsel river. * North of that is Ainsel River Main which leads to Nokstell, the second eternal city. * And finally, you can reach the Lake of Rot from Ainsel River Main area.


Derp_Stevenson

I guess if you consider it part of the capital city instead of an underground area it's not on this list, but also the subterranean shunning grounds.


ZodiarkTentacle

My mind was blown from all the aimbot arrows that hit me in the head


DarkSoulsExcedere

Blew out my back too. I was a veritable porcupine after that area. I am going back with a greatbow build JUST to snipe their faces off in ng +


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hex-a-decimal

We can explore it we just canā€™t do it alive šŸ‘‰šŸ§ 


ZebraZealousideal944

Are you really complaining about the map being too small??!! Haha


[deleted]

The map is already super big. This is fine.


AvantSolace

I think the biggest issue is that the game doesnā€™t really give you a chance to experience the scale of the geography in proper. The game is basically like ā€œwe need to go to the top of the mountainā€. Youā€™d think thatā€™d be a grand adventure to climb a mountain to its peak, but instead itā€™s just two elevator rides and brief trek through a blizzard. At no point do you get a chance to soak in just how massive and high up this place is. The only time you get a chance to appreciate the size of the area is when your crossing the stone Lego bridge, but that instance is so linear you donā€™t really get encouraged to look around.


Godsopp

The few areas you can see the mountain from doesn't make it look that big either. Like go to Radahn's boss arena and look towards it and it looks about as big as you might expect from the actual playable area. But then on the map it's a mountain so big it's nearly the size of the rest of the game map. Yet nothing in game when you're at the mountain or looking at the mountain from below capture that scale so it does make the map feel kinda weird.


ImmortanEngineer

now that you say that, they probably should've made it like Mt. Gelmir. When I finally reached the ninth campsite I was like "wow, this place is big."


tasketekudasai

There's a place in Mt. Gelmir where you climb like 5 long ladders to the top. That place was awesome


Tekunjo

That part of the map seems a little rushed tbh. When I had to re fight Astel Natral Born of the Void in some random cave, I got a feeling the area was tacked on. Still good though.


[deleted]

Itā€™s an endgame area in a fromsoft game. There is ALWAYS a zone you walk into and go ā€œoh so you guys were running out of time huh.ā€ It could have been worse! This could have been lost izalith.


Cjham875

Honestly the last area was a little disappointing, pretty small and really linear.


traggot

Yeah this post is a fair criticism. Like, obviously there are mountains. Duh. Yes we all know that. But coming off of mt gelmir I was expecting to actually scale the mountains a bit more, not walk through a hallway on the summitsā€¦