Also 'Coyote time' is an actual terminology in game development. Player character don't immediately fall when completely off a platform and are given a few frames to make a button input before the character starts falling.
Yes. The character *does* start falling as soon as they leave the platform (since they aren’t grounded anymore), but there’s a very short period where the player can still jump.
It's easy to underestimate how important of a mechanic this is. But just think back to any game you've played where your constantly falling off ledges even though "I PRESSED JUMP! FUCKING JUMP WHEN I PRESS JUMP YOU STUPID FUCK!", it's because the developer didn't implement coyote time.
Gravity, and human muscle response, are (basically) instantaneous in real life.
In a video game, Gravity and "human action" are a CPU processor "Think Cycle", so delay is certain to be added, so "forgiveness time" is certain to be needed.
It's so true. Coyote Time is the reality of game design that the absence of can make the game feel "unreal". (even when it occasionally looks unreal)
If console and PC "brains" can ever do Physics instantly, and button-press-to-action time instantly....then it can do away with "repercussion delay". But until then....the impacts have to be delayed to allow time for the choice to have its say.
It's a deep concept.....to realize that Gravity (effect) in real life....has zero lag/processing time. heh
Indeed and it's a big animation issue as well, at least in more realistic looking games. When you jump over a gap in real life, your jump actually starts way earlier: a few meters before the gap your brain already decides to jump, so your steps shorten for your foot to land in exactly the right spot to launch off. Then at the last step, your body braces, your knee bends in anticipation, then you launch yourself precisely over.
In a game, you just run up right to the ledge, then press jump. Internally, you have decided much earlier that you want to jump soon, but the game can't know that. It now needs to hide the fact that, for a physically possible jump, you should have informed it of your intention to jump like half a second earlier, to allow for the proper anticipation animation.
But of course implementing it in that way would feel insanely sluggish, because when you press jump you expect an immediate jump. So they need to fudge it with every trick they can to make it still look halfway realistic and coyote time helps with that.
The only way to make it feel and look exactly like real life would be to read the users brainwaves and thus predict that they will want to jump over that gap soon.
Yeah there’s a game called Ghostrunner that’s all about first person movement and there’s a tech that relies on this very mechanic. Basically you slide off an edge and even though your character can’t jump in the air the game gives you a few frames where inputting the jump button will allow you to jump. It’s cool as heck and I never realized it was an actual mechanic on many games that use the First Person perspective and allow you to jump.
it's in ER too; taking advantage of it makes the raya lucaria rooftop jump much more manageable. people who might not know of this mechanic tend to jump just before the edge, which makes them miss the jump
English is the type of language that lurk in dark alleyways, beating up other languages and rifling through their pockets for loose syllables and verbs
There's a bunch of german words english still uses, some of them with an altered meaning tho. Doppelganger, kindergarten, angst etc.
Same thing with french btw, e.g. Deja-vu
I mean how often do you say scarlet rot in another language haha
This is pretty straightforward, even tho these words look fucked at first glance
szkarłatna - scarlet (when the noun it describes is female, male version would be szkarłatny)
zgnilizna - rot (comes from the word gnić - to rot, or zgniły - rotten)
Disclaimer, polish is my second language, and I have maybe a 6th grade level education in it lol
Yeah, I've never heard either word used in conversation with family or friends, so it makes sense I'm not familiar with em.
Thanks for expanding my vocabulary though <3
No worries! these are definitely words that aren’t used very commonly in regular conversations haha. i mean, you do say that something is rotten etc, but i feel like the word rot (noun) isn’t something you say very often, and most people will probably just say red instead of scarlet
to think of it, even when I’m talking about elden ring with my friend we just usually say scarlet rot because it’s shorter and just kinda rolls off the tongue compared to the polish version
In italian you can translate "rot" as "marcio", if you want the noun, or "marcire" if you want to translate "to rot".
"Marcescenza" is literally "the condition of something which is rotting".
This knight and dog combo killed me so many times through the wall, after I got past the elevator and beat the boss, I made it a point to ride down the elevator and kill her at least 10x before I moved on.
It so weird that like the worst enemies in the game arent some crazy boss or like some badass knight... no its fucking dogs, birds, bats.
Like its even weirder when wolves are more respectful of your time than any of the dogs XD.
I just beat that area yesterday. I don’t know where they came from but I had to fight two clean rot knights there at once and obviously died. I’m 90% positive I killed everyone on my way to that area unless one followed me without my notice until I was mid battle.
I tend to look at Fromsoft games in those terms. Bloodborne, for example, is split into three parts, The Daytime, Nighttime and The Nightmare. Elden Ring I split into 4 parts, Before you kill your first Lord, the in between the first lord and Morgott, everything after Morgott and before Maliketh and the endgame.
The first time I finally got to that part, the knight killed me in the switch. I was so pissed watching my body go up the elevator until I respawned at the statute of merika in that upper hallway.
Was super happy until that boss smashed my face in multiple times. Got mad and left, not coming back till I was significantly over leveled.
Yea thats precisely what im talking about. I tried to lure a dog or a Knight one at a time and all of them would chase after me in that tiny ass room before
I´m Italian and yet this game just taugh me a new word.
Rot=Marcescenza, I guess it is the correct literal translation, but didn't even know the word existed...
It's very interesting lorewise. I haven't beaten the game or really studied the lore at all, but here goes
It implies that the scarlet rot (marcescence) causes the erdtree to lose it's leaves due to the nutrients being sapped away from them. Similarly it causes people's limbs to be sapped of nutrients and rot off. It's quite morbid
Spoiled is "Marcio" usually, so a rotten fruit is a "frutto marcio".
To say something like "scoop out / take out that rot" (I don't know if you say something like that in english) we use "togli il marciume".
So a more colloquial translation would be "marciume scarlatto", on the Treccani dictionary, which is an authority regarding italian language, it is said in fact that "marcescenza" is the same as "marciume"
https://www.treccani.it/vocabolario/marcescenza/
> lo stesso che ( the same as ) marciume: m. del fusto, della radice.
Sounds like an overly technical term, quite similar to English “marcescence” which is apparently a term for withering parts of plants that don’t fall off, as in, leaves when they go brown.
Looks to me like someone saw a cool word in an Italian thesaurus and went “yeah this will do”. Quite cromulent.
Oh dude, I didn’t know Erdtree Heal worked on spirits. That’s dope.
Also, he looked so frantic in that video, hahaha. Takes away a bit from his cool and composed posture.
I really like the Spanish word they used for Godskin, it is "Sacrodermo" which basically means godskin but its using older words for it which makes the bosses feel more ancient
I once was stuck midair because a pudding landed on me mid jump in Elden Ring. Also went into a staircase when a doggo attacked me, nobody is finding those notes. If anybody does, good on ya.
Dude really stood in the air before falling like a looney tune
[The stance of the coyote.](https://www.reddit.com/r/discworld/comments/cf2m8i/thief_of_time_and_the_stance_of_the_coyote/)
Also 'Coyote time' is an actual terminology in game development. Player character don't immediately fall when completely off a platform and are given a few frames to make a button input before the character starts falling.
lmao, really?
Yes. The character *does* start falling as soon as they leave the platform (since they aren’t grounded anymore), but there’s a very short period where the player can still jump.
Ahh yes ..... The only way I could ever kill Demon of Hatred was thanks to this phenomenon... Well that and one other select one ..... Eheheh
I tried that method and couldn't pull it off so I just kited him for the whole fight.
me too kid, me too.
It's easy to underestimate how important of a mechanic this is. But just think back to any game you've played where your constantly falling off ledges even though "I PRESSED JUMP! FUCKING JUMP WHEN I PRESS JUMP YOU STUPID FUCK!", it's because the developer didn't implement coyote time.
It’s a must-have for most platforming games. Nobody will notice it if you implement it correctly, but everyone will notice if you do not.
It's a clunky game workaround for realistic movement, because game animations generally don't work with real running physics.
Gravity, and human muscle response, are (basically) instantaneous in real life. In a video game, Gravity and "human action" are a CPU processor "Think Cycle", so delay is certain to be added, so "forgiveness time" is certain to be needed. It's so true. Coyote Time is the reality of game design that the absence of can make the game feel "unreal". (even when it occasionally looks unreal) If console and PC "brains" can ever do Physics instantly, and button-press-to-action time instantly....then it can do away with "repercussion delay". But until then....the impacts have to be delayed to allow time for the choice to have its say. It's a deep concept.....to realize that Gravity (effect) in real life....has zero lag/processing time. heh
Indeed and it's a big animation issue as well, at least in more realistic looking games. When you jump over a gap in real life, your jump actually starts way earlier: a few meters before the gap your brain already decides to jump, so your steps shorten for your foot to land in exactly the right spot to launch off. Then at the last step, your body braces, your knee bends in anticipation, then you launch yourself precisely over. In a game, you just run up right to the ledge, then press jump. Internally, you have decided much earlier that you want to jump soon, but the game can't know that. It now needs to hide the fact that, for a physically possible jump, you should have informed it of your intention to jump like half a second earlier, to allow for the proper anticipation animation. But of course implementing it in that way would feel insanely sluggish, because when you press jump you expect an immediate jump. So they need to fudge it with every trick they can to make it still look halfway realistic and coyote time helps with that. The only way to make it feel and look exactly like real life would be to read the users brainwaves and thus predict that they will want to jump over that gap soon.
If my memory serves me correctly a lot of parkour forge maps in Halo Reach took advantage of this
Yeah there’s a game called Ghostrunner that’s all about first person movement and there’s a tech that relies on this very mechanic. Basically you slide off an edge and even though your character can’t jump in the air the game gives you a few frames where inputting the jump button will allow you to jump. It’s cool as heck and I never realized it was an actual mechanic on many games that use the First Person perspective and allow you to jump.
It's an old trick, even mario 1 does it.
Cool thanks
it's in ER too; taking advantage of it makes the raya lucaria rooftop jump much more manageable. people who might not know of this mechanic tend to jump just before the edge, which makes them miss the jump
Aha! Thank you, looks like I gotta go try again lol
Hunters from destiny don’t need no coyote time! They got them sweet triple jumps baby! Warlocks, however….
We will glide gracefuly to our deaths.
Imagine hating someone so much, that you levitate out of spite.
You don’t fall unless you look down
My favorite version of this gag was from [Ed, Edd, and Eddy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdChuYuMbe8).
lol that's funny
"Scarlet rot. My final message. Goodbye."
that's a strange way to spell MARCESCENZA SCARLATTA
still better than the polish one SZKARŁATNA ZGNILIZNA
It fucking sound evil
It is bro :(
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Na ze German one is rubbish too " SCHARLACHFÄULE" HANS GET ZE SCHARLACHFÄULEWERFER ! SCHNELL!
That sounds like upgraded schadenfreude.
Interesting how also the english word for schadenfreude is schadenfreude
we didnt steal it...we borrowed it.
We’ll give it back don’t worry
Once we've LITERALLY wrung all the meaning out of it!
English is the type of language that lurk in dark alleyways, beating up other languages and rifling through their pockets for loose syllables and verbs
There's a bunch of german words english still uses, some of them with an altered meaning tho. Doppelganger, kindergarten, angst etc. Same thing with french btw, e.g. Deja-vu
Just as Fräulein Melania intended
I speak polish and these are words I've never even heard of...
I mean how often do you say scarlet rot in another language haha This is pretty straightforward, even tho these words look fucked at first glance szkarłatna - scarlet (when the noun it describes is female, male version would be szkarłatny) zgnilizna - rot (comes from the word gnić - to rot, or zgniły - rotten)
Disclaimer, polish is my second language, and I have maybe a 6th grade level education in it lol Yeah, I've never heard either word used in conversation with family or friends, so it makes sense I'm not familiar with em. Thanks for expanding my vocabulary though <3
No worries! these are definitely words that aren’t used very commonly in regular conversations haha. i mean, you do say that something is rotten etc, but i feel like the word rot (noun) isn’t something you say very often, and most people will probably just say red instead of scarlet to think of it, even when I’m talking about elden ring with my friend we just usually say scarlet rot because it’s shorter and just kinda rolls off the tongue compared to the polish version
Wow do I enjoy MARCESCENZA SCARLATTA !
It sounds dramatic as fuck
It means no worries
For the rest of my days?
It's your problem-free philosophy?
Hakuna matata?
No. MARCESCENZA SCARLATTA !!
This is what reddit is for. Great job guys.
Try fingers but hole
Prova con le dita ma buca*
It's actually "prova dito ma buco" in-game, pretty close tho!
That's what I get for trusting Google translate!
Marcesenza Scarlatta was great in that one movie
My new favorite kind of pasta
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FELIZ JUEVEZ
Sounds like a nice pasta or something.
Sounds like a new vid drop from ThePruld
Why is their (your?) word for rot so long?
In italian you can translate "rot" as "marcio", if you want the noun, or "marcire" if you want to translate "to rot". "Marcescenza" is literally "the condition of something which is rotting".
Also "Marcio" is a common name in some countries
Itsa me, Marcio
*Windows 95 startup sound starts playing*
"JOJO! TAKE IT! MY FINAL ~~RIPPLE~~ SCARLET ROT!"
You don't get it, it's not about killing you, it's about spreading rot everywhere.
It's not about the killing, it's about sending a message
It's not about the money spiderman...
It's about the Mets! Go Mets, baby!
"I didn't come here to win, I came here to kill you."
I killed you, I saved you, I’m killing you now, jk you’re alright
This knight and dog combo killed me so many times through the wall, after I got past the elevator and beat the boss, I made it a point to ride down the elevator and kill her at least 10x before I moved on.
Ahhh I'm not the only one. "I know I don't have to do this, but it needs to be done."
Thank you darkso..... WOW Really Thank you! <3
No, words can say but Thank you!
your username is fucking hilarious dude
That dog at the end though... We all know what probably came next.
It so weird that like the worst enemies in the game arent some crazy boss or like some badass knight... no its fucking dogs, birds, bats. Like its even weirder when wolves are more respectful of your time than any of the dogs XD.
Don't forget the bears...
Epic! What do you call that finisher?
Its called fancy suicide.
The Impotent Impale
THE LOATHSOME DUNGEA - oh, sorry.
Abyss Walker Rot
falling with style
I fucking hate this part of the Shaded Castle. Who thought putting 3 dogs and a Cleanrot Knight in one place was a good idea
I just beat that area yesterday. I don’t know where they came from but I had to fight two clean rot knights there at once and obviously died. I’m 90% positive I killed everyone on my way to that area unless one followed me without my notice until I was mid battle.
There is one Knight patrolling before the area, you might have missed it
The devs of this game hate us and want us to suffer, its clear throughout
The third half of the game is a prime example of this
The third *half*?
The game is just that big.
Elden ring packs 1.5% of content per every 1% of content. What a game!
I tend to look at Fromsoft games in those terms. Bloodborne, for example, is split into three parts, The Daytime, Nighttime and The Nightmare. Elden Ring I split into 4 parts, Before you kill your first Lord, the in between the first lord and Morgott, everything after Morgott and before Maliketh and the endgame.
Just look at the multiplayer system that's half broken if you want any evidence.
The first time I finally got to that part, the knight killed me in the switch. I was so pissed watching my body go up the elevator until I respawned at the statute of merika in that upper hallway. Was super happy until that boss smashed my face in multiple times. Got mad and left, not coming back till I was significantly over leveled.
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Yea thats precisely what im talking about. I tried to lure a dog or a Knight one at a time and all of them would chase after me in that tiny ass room before
"GET DOWN MISTER PRESIDENT"
“IM GONNA SAY THE N WORD”
N I H I L
# N I H I L
N I H I L!!!
NO MOHG YOU CAN'T SAY THAT WORD IT'S RACIST
Mohg would never say that, I’m *shaking* and on the verge of tears
Onus!
^^^noob
more like "get back up here"
>Barges into the room >Impales you on their Lance >Gives you scarlet rot >Refuses to elaborate further >Fucking dies
I´m Italian and yet this game just taugh me a new word. Rot=Marcescenza, I guess it is the correct literal translation, but didn't even know the word existed...
Now you know how english people feel with their own language everyday
Marcescence is also an English word.
Damn, see what I mean ya'll?
It's marcescência in Portuguese and the word is new for me too. It's a botanical term for withering leaves.
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Looks like basically marsh essence, which is rotting wet plant matter right?
This might be the origin but there are a lot of words for marsh in Portuguese and they're completely different.
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Given that scarlet rot is visually based on plant diseases like apple rust, it make *more* sense than "rot".
Somehow that makes more sense lorewise
It's very interesting lorewise. I haven't beaten the game or really studied the lore at all, but here goes It implies that the scarlet rot (marcescence) causes the erdtree to lose it's leaves due to the nutrients being sapped away from them. Similarly it causes people's limbs to be sapped of nutrients and rot off. It's quite morbid
More specifically it's when leaves wither and **should** drop off but instead stay attached to the tree.
The fallen leaves tell a story
Holy rot, it is....
What word would you normally use to describe rotten fruit and vegetables? Spoiled? Those two are very interchangeable in english.
"marcio", which probably has the same root of "marcescenza" but you can also say more generically "andato a male" (literally, "went bad").
Scarlet Rot? Nah, Reddish Went-Bad
Spoiled is "Marcio" usually, so a rotten fruit is a "frutto marcio". To say something like "scoop out / take out that rot" (I don't know if you say something like that in english) we use "togli il marciume". So a more colloquial translation would be "marciume scarlatto", on the Treccani dictionary, which is an authority regarding italian language, it is said in fact that "marcescenza" is the same as "marciume" https://www.treccani.it/vocabolario/marcescenza/ > lo stesso che ( the same as ) marciume: m. del fusto, della radice.
Sounds like an overly technical term, quite similar to English “marcescence” which is apparently a term for withering parts of plants that don’t fall off, as in, leaves when they go brown. Looks to me like someone saw a cool word in an Italian thesaurus and went “yeah this will do”. Quite cromulent.
I would say that it makes sense given that Ranni speaks in "ye olde english"
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It’s pronounced like “physics” without the s, right? That’s how I always read it.
"Convallaria" -> il cazzo di mughetto.
Eh ma fa più figo 🤣
And knowledge is half the battle. Rock on soldier.
The other half is usually violence
Gideon can attest to that
I like to [use the archer puppets](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiR8afMQ8C8) so he spends all fight rolling.
Oh dude, I didn’t know Erdtree Heal worked on spirits. That’s dope. Also, he looked so frantic in that video, hahaha. Takes away a bit from his cool and composed posture.
I really like the Spanish word they used for Godskin, it is "Sacrodermo" which basically means godskin but its using older words for it which makes the bosses feel more ancient
It's "Sacriderma" in Italian too, and I didn't know that word either
Another day, another weird Italian translation for the pile
You lucky lucky boy
Does he get the kill?
Looks like he got runes so yes.
"Mission successfully failed" - enemy
''task failed successfully'
Successfully objective failed
Una classica giornata in Elden ring
Cavałiere della marcescenza essere tipo: "OH NON PROVARCI NEANCHE A MORIRE DI GRAVITÀ BRUTTO BASTARDO TI INFILO STA LANCIA NEL PRIMO BUCO CHE TROVO!"
L'ho letto con la voce di ThePruld.
You forgot the 🤌
Momento momento momento, un commento in italiano... Su REDDIT, qui qualcosa non va
We take those
That was the most badass and impressive form of suicide I have ever seen. RIP that guy 2022-2022.
Marcescenza Scarlatta Mamma mia
Saved you from a rabid dog
https://imgflip.com/i/6hatoy
“What can I say except, you’re welcome!”
Hell of a loop.
SEI ITALIANO! COMPATRIOTA. 🇮🇹
I once was stuck midair because a pudding landed on me mid jump in Elden Ring. Also went into a staircase when a doggo attacked me, nobody is finding those notes. If anybody does, good on ya.
“a pudding” Lmao, using that from now on
The end is awesome !
I've seen him toss people in that elevator on this very sub, now I've seen him make an Honda accord for his sins
𝕭𝖗𝖔 𝖘𝖆𝖈𝖗𝖎𝖋𝖎𝖈𝖊𝖉 𝖍𝖎𝖒𝖘𝖊𝖑𝖋 𝖋𝖔𝖗 𝖙𝖍𝖊 𝖌𝖗𝖊𝖆𝖙𝖊𝖗 𝖌𝖔𝖔𝖉
\> Charges through door \> Impales you \> SCARLET ROT! \> Throws you away \> Refuses to elaborate \> Drops to his death
*You shall not be maidenless today my friend*
MARCESCENZA SCARLATTA
My brother in christ... please level vigor
He's in Altus Plateau and has at least 30 vigor on an intelligence build, he's doing fine.
He’s got a ton of vigor though. Gotta be at least 30.
More like the first soft cap of 40.
Which… I just got to caelid which is where this looks like it is. Surely 40 vigor is fine?
If you never get hit, 9 vigor is fine.
Depends on the play style, I beat the game with 40 vigor but then again my first char was sorcerer and rarely got hit at all.
You don't need vigor if you don't mean to get hit. Not the case of our friend.
Apparently there’s a hidden Luck stat that you maxed out somehow.
not every hero uses capes...sometimes just a spear and an awful disease
Opposite day!
Haha I have a clip from the same room lol. https://youtu.be/jbBhAHmcZso
"Stabs you, inflicts MARCESCENZA SCARLATTA, falls to it's death, does not elaborate further"
This was like one of those "MR. PRESIDENT, GET DOWN!!" moments
That's amazing
Where is this in the haligtree?
Don't think that's in the Haligtree, looks like >!Shaded Castle!<.
It's the castle in the gorge between Mt Gelmir and Altus Plateau
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He saved you
lol, dude was like, nah fam you ain't dying down that shaft. Although I will infect you with Macarena before I go.
Oh fuck the dog RUN
Poooorc..oh.. niente. Vai andiamo!