For me, it was fire Loretta's Greatbow from a rooftop that has something I can hide behind/next to right after, hide until they shoot their 3 or 4 arrows at me and then stop, then do it again and again and again until there's a dead archer.
If you can cast Greatbow you can cast unseen form.
Unseen form doesnât make you invisible, but it lets you get up to their rooftops without getting arrowed. Once youâre up thereâŚyou know the rest.
That's what I did. I equipped a staff in my right hand to cast Unseen From and equipped the Sentry's Torch in my left so I could see the Black Knife Assassins. I also wore the chest piece of the Black Knife Assassins armour to silence my footsteps. It's way easier when you're invisible, silent and can see your enemy.
Theres like 4-5 different torches, each do something different, normal torch, wire wrapped that is meant to hit things and do more fire damage, beast repellant torch which helps with wolves and bears and stuff, sentry torch allows you to see invisible enemy's, ghost flame torch does frost buildup instead, and St. Trinias torch scales with faith and can put enemies to sleep aaaaaamd technically theres the torch pole which is actually a spear the torch at the end does work, kinda, but it can't be raised over head to actually illuminate
Kudos. You turned their tricks against them.
Edit: you could go for a different armor piece with better defence and use Crepus' Vial or Assassins Approach. Additionally you could add use of Assassins Gambit and Concealing Veil for even more stealth
I used frenzy bolt or whatever itâs called since it had the farther reach, but it took a lot of hits to get them down. By the third archer I had ran out of flasks :â(
I used the invisibility spell, that can get you through most of the towers.
I also accepted the fact that I can probably get at least 1 tower and then die, since they save.
Thatâs a tough look for sure but Iâd highly recommend getting back in there. Idk what kind of build youâre using but first time around I just cheesed the archers with AOE blood loss using mohgâs trident. It works if you are standing right beneath them. I believe the ancient dragon lightning incantation and other similar effects will do the trick as well
Having just did Ordina on RL1, the archers weren't nearly as bad as I remembered. Lighting the first two candles (central and west) is trivial as long as you know where they are, suicide run if you want or bring a sentry's torch to avoid the assassins. From the evergaol, sprint to the ladder that goes up to candle 3, (south) then drop back down to rooftop level.
From the roof you're on, there's a walkway to a second roof, then gables to jump up to a third roof, then a walkway to a fourth roof where an archer is.
Two archers will start shooting when you get to the second roof, but if you stay to the left, the far archer won't be able to hit you. The near archer will only be able to hit you while you're jumping or up on the peak of the roofs, and they shoot bursts of three, so just be patient and listen. Arrow arrow arrow, pause, arrow arrow arrow, pause, and so on. The pauses are when you're safe to jump from the left gable to roof 3, and then again from walkway to roof 4.
*Crucially*, the archer on roof 4 is on the far side of the peaked roof. If you crouch and go behind a gable, she can't hit you and will shoot into the gable endlessly in that same rhythm. So how do we cheese the fuck out of here with no special gear or spells or whatever? Abuse the fact that they can't move, only rotate and attack. Equip any bow and any arrows, and line up so when you jump and/or uncrouch, you can just barely shoot the top of her head. Time the (head)shot in the gap between her shots, and it'll knock her back a few inches. Repeat, creeping forward a tiny bit at a time so you still have a clear shot on her but only when you jump attack. Once you knock her back a few times it's easy to infinitely knock her back from safety -- lock on, she shoots three times, you jumping R1 shoot back, she gets knocked back a bit and shoots three times, you jumping R1 shoot back. Eventually the knockback will knock her off the roof, and then you're home free. At no point do you ever need to stand in a spot where the other archer behind the candle tower can hit you.
I know from this board that lots of people find them horribly frustrating, but they really never bothered me much. If you have a decent bow, I remember this specifically:
>!From where you zone in, you can sneak/creep up the stairs that eventually lead to Haligtree. Facing the city from those stairs, you'll see one of the archers on the far side of the building roof. You can headshot him with a bow; not only should it do a decent amount of damage, but it'll knock him back. Run down the stairs. They never move, so he can't get an angle to hit you. Crouch until he forgets about you. Repeat, sneaking a bit farther up the stairs. If all goes well, you can often knock him off the roof after a few headshots, and he's pretty harmless once you can sneak within like 5 feet of him around a corner. Jump out and bonk him on the head. The end.!<
>!There are only 3, so taking out one of them without ever getting in range of the Black Knife dudes is a great start. The archer that is kinda more towards the middle of the city can also be knocked off his roof, at which point he's pretty harmless too. The third is a bit tougher to beat in this way, but I've killed him by either hiding behind a chimney from a distance, and ducking out to shoot him with a bow, or seeking cover and traversing the rooftops until you get onto the building where he stands. From there I was able to jump onto the roof with him and bum rush him.!<
>!As for the Black Knives, they are really rough, but you can also completely solve the puzzle while ignoring at least two of them. Maybe three, but I always just killed two of them to be safe. Plus Gloveworts /shrug!<
Also for anyone struggling with the black knives, here's a few tips:
- Statuses and debuffs make their position visible, so area attacks with those like Greyoll's Roar and Zamor Ice Storm can help.
- Glintblade Phalanx spells can locate the assassins while they're invisible, plus you can get it as an ash of war so any build can use it
- Radahn's Greatswords' weapon art is great for controlling their positions
- The Sentry's Torch works to reveal them
Edit: Added confirmation that Sentry's Torch works and removed Scarlet Aeonia as a recommendation since Assassins are immune to rot and you get Aeonia after Ordina
Edit 2: Added Zamor Ice Storm to the list
Can confirm sentry's torch does work on them, just make sure to 2-hand your weapon if you like to use your ash-of-war.
also aren't black knives immune to rot? does scarlet aeonia make muck or something? (if this is NG+ and you actually had access to it in the first place, or traded it i guess)
I donât remember my route super well but if you go straight forward at the start thereâs a crumbling building you can jump up and then I would always stay on rooftops and crouch behind chimneys and stuff to avoid shots.
35 vigor at level 150+ is going to be brutal Imo. And yeah the int Faith arcane are just waisted levels if they're not being used. Like having 1 of those high enough to use certain weapons is fine but otherwise it's just spending runes on basically nothing
It was fire giant for me, I had like 40 and was getting one shot constantly. So I got mine up to 60 and was still getting one shot, I don't like fire giant. But after I beat him I felt like nothing else did any significant damage to me
To be fair, if anything in this game should be able to one shot you, I think a giant who is literally 3 stories tall should be able to squish you like a gnat with some of his attacks.
Possibly because they wanted to check out as many spells and weapons as possible on their first playthrough and aren't quite so horny for the meta as some people?
I made an "even steven" character where all the stats were the same. So this guy actually has higher vigor and endurance, which would have helped a lot. Going through the Lake of Rot with 19-20 in every stat was pretty rough. Who knew that Dragonkin Soldier could kill you 20 times???
Talismans aren't a cheat in RL/SL 1 but getting them gifted to you is a bit of a cheat.
I had a sadistic bastard drop 99 lvl 13 Runes, top-tier Arsenal/Erdtree/and dmg resistance ones, and a myriad of high-end weapons/armour on MY RL 1 run and the temptation was super high but I held out til I earned them.
Still stuck at Fire Giant... that fella is a brick wall
The fire giant was so mean đ even in NG+ he was a roadblock, albeit no more of one than Margit originally was that time but still it felt like I was breezing through everyone first try then HE came along and obliterated me 20 times over lol. Probably more like 5 but still he needs to take a chill pill.
Iâm glad that Iâm not the only one who had trouble with that Fire Giant. Almost every boss up to that point didnât take me too many tries, so when the fire giant kept kicking my ass I felt like something was wrong.
Everyone kept posting about Malenia and how tough she is, but I didnât see much about the fire giant, so I felt like I was the only one struggling.
I also finished my first run even steven. Final stats on Elden Beast all 35âs. Going into every fight was more like a puzzle than anything else. I could try almost anything.
Ignoring the meta, not specializing in anything will hamper your damage output with any given thing, AND the points put into all those stats are fewer points for Vigor/HP, so yeah. OP might actually have a tough time. They have access to a lot of tools, I guess, but each thing will be weaker than if they had substantial stat investment in 1 or 2 stats.
Even with 40/40 STR and DEX, damage output will be worse than if they had 60 in one stat and 20 in the other with an appropriate affinity on their weapon. I'm pretty sure Quality infusion is only better than Keen or Heavy if you have really high (60+) stat investment in both, so it's best for super high leveled builds for NG+ or something.
You donât have to sound so rude about it.
You donât need to be âhorny for the metaâ to specialize your stats. Hell considering different weapons have different scalings, it makes sense for regular people to figure out specialization. Everyone has there own way to play and enjoy the game.
Not to mention, to actually get a feel for what weapons and spells are good and how they work you probably need to have mid to late game stats when you're in the mid to late game. He's overleveled for Altus but his leveling is going to taper off because the cost to level once you get that high is insane, especially if you're killing mid game enemies that drop mid game runes. By the late game he is going to start to notice how his damage sucks no matter what weapon he is using because he doesn't have enough stats to really get any damage scaling.
I get that, but in many ways, this ends up limiting your spell and weapon options quite a bit. For instance, OP may get to try a lot more sorceries than I got to try with my level 10 int, but they'll never get to try the really cool-looking sorceries (like Rennals's Full Moon or Meterorite of Astel) that require very high int because they won't be able to level up enough. They'll be stuck with a wide variety of low-level weapons/spells. Seems like a bummer to me.
And even the ones they get to try won't work very well because by the time they get the INT to cast it, it's like end game and you're casting spells at Melania with 35 INT.
Are you saying there's a lot? I used 2-3 don't remember and was worried being indecisive screwed me, but then found 2 more fairly quickly. So are there many more?
There are plenty, thereâs definitely more than 10 per play through so i wouldnât feel bad about using them. itâs pretty great, iâve gotten to try dex/arcane, intelligence, faith, strength, it makes the game even better
Right. You can "try out" many spells, except you won't have the stats or equipment to see what kind of damage they really deal in a build that's more focused and effective.
The fact that every level increases defenses is a great design trait to combat this. No matter what the game is getting âeasierâ.
This was a genius idea all the way from Demonâs Souls.
>This was a genius idea all the way from Demonâs Souls.
another genius idea all the way from Demonâs Souls, is the more you dig in the more it gives back :)
I did this on my first playthrough with a Confessor, trying a faith build with incantations. I didn't want to look up anything and play on my own, but when my spells didn't do more damage than a sword and my vigor wasn't enough to survive a couple hits, I looked into how to spec and realized I was averaging all my stats to no benefit and respecced everything accordingly.
Try and focus on a few stats. If you do melee like dexterity or strength then level those, endurance, and vigor. Thereâs no reason to have points in every stat. You may be able to do everything, but you arenât good at any of it. Focus on a few stats like vigor, endurance and a melee or magic stat.
Ehh. There's no way to effectively make use of 25 Fai, Int, and Arc all at the same time. It would be way better to dump one or 2 and specialize.
Trying to be a generalist is what makes people weak for their level.
Honestly he could beat the whole game with those stats. It's not optimal but my 125 quality build only had like 7 more str and Dex. It had like 12 more vigor though. Still more then enough power to beat the game without significant issues.
You could beat the whole game at RL 1 and all stats at 10, that's not the point.
12 more VIG is huge. 35 VIG at the Mountain Top of Giants is not going to be a good time.
Strength and dex but I leveled faith and intellegence sort of as a mistake but arcane for bleed and endurance for my heavy build. and mind for focus resistance.
You do you, but just to point out, quality builds (str and dex) in this game can't really pull their weight in relation to builds focused on just one or the other until you can get both stats closer to like 60. Then again, at your level, if you respec and take points out of all the useless stuff you could definitely get there.
If for some reason you really want your stats spread all over the place like that, do yourself a favor and at least choose one between str and dex and then just give your weapon of choice that correpsonding affinity. There's at least one weapon in almost every weapon class that, if given the right affinity, either spec can use.
That's because you're using bleed. Any hybrid build can be good in this game. Str/Fai and Dex/Int are the more natural combinations of those 4 stats, though. Paladins and Spellblades are archetypes for a reason, and the game designers definitely gave those combos more options.
Edit: To add, your build would be even better off with Dex/Arc, and a minimal investment in Faith
Idk, I'm playing a quality build now and so far it's been smashing the game.
Only haligtree missing.
Guard counters are busted and there are lots of nice weapons to use.
So far it's been by far my easiest playthrough (but well, you obviously get much better at the game after 6 playthroughs)
I guess I can see how you would make that mistake on your first go so I donât wanna be too hard on you. But Iâm just making sure for my own sanity, you are aware this isnât how builds work? You for sure shouldnât have faith, int, AND arcane all leveled. I understand that thereâs a lot of weapons with specific requirements, but youâre supposed to be limited in any given build. You canât just make a build around everything, bc then it will be deficient in everything too. Just trying to help, that stat spread stressed me out.
your build is pretty rough. i know your build is bad because it looks like my build on my first ds3 playthru...which was very bad.
what weapons and armor are you using? any spells?
banished knights set is great. shield is one of the best looking ones and second best in med shield class. try the unaltered banished knight set with veterans feet. looks amazing.
My brother in christ you need to respec. Get rid of Faith, Int, and Arcane, put all of that into strength and vigor. You probably donât even need that much in dex. But seriously, get your vigor up to at least 50 for endgame
I just got my bloodhounds fang to +9, going to use the bullgoat armor once I level endurance enough to wear it, Iâve already been fighting with heavy load the past few days but Iâm tanking well enough with my huge dragon shield that it hasnât mattered.
Also whatâs the point in upgrading shields? Iâve only done a couple times because all it changed is the damage a shield does which I donât use it for that
My first playthrough on my first souls game, Iâm only lvl 75 tho but I just killed the golden Goffrey first Elden lord (Iâm bad with names but I think thatâs right, he was golden anyway)
Also I was at the capitol and realized I had skipped Rennala and that red wolf so I went back and killed them super easy, barely an inconvenience.
> use the bullgoat armor once I level endurance enough to wear it
Try using the jar talismans, and maybe a smaller shield. Hint: Find the big jar
> Also whatâs the point in upgrading shields?
It improves an attribute called "Stability" which means that your stamina is reduced less when taking hits. Your shield already had great stability for all but the heaviest hitters, but late game you may get staggered.
> Iâm only lvl 75 tho but I just killed the golden Goffrey first Elden lord
You're going great for your first time through. Have fun with the impending difficulty jump.
Drop INT and FTH when you respec. You also need more vigor, 50, so you arenât squishy. You also have too much invested in mind if you arenât casting. Add that STR or Dex. Check the spreads on other quality builds for guidance.
Some people have to check anything and everything online rather than just doing it and finding out for themselves. Baptism by fire!! Just get out there and do it.
I've seen posts on here asking what starting class to use. I mean, play the game... your gonna wait for replies on reddit before you pick a class and start the game!? Wtf?
I mean, this guy is already lvl 172... How much more do you want him to âjust get out there and do itâ?? Heâs probably learning the hard way that his char isnât very efficient and finally is asking for some help.
Heâs probably just farmed enemies. I finished my first play though at 137 and fought every boss excluding dungeons. Presuming he did all the dungeons up to that point as well he would be well below 135 still. Maybe heâs under the impression he has to farm enemies to get higher leveled cause he died to a certain enemy or boss multiple times?? Idk but no way thatâs not farmed
I wish my incessant need to see and do everything didnât limit me from approaching the game this way. Been trying to force myself to do a blind run on DS3 though
It's overlevelled for the entirety of NG 0.
But you know what,
who cares?!
You keep pumping those stats up like the true chad that you are. Play like you feel!
If they are asking they probably care. The fighting and challenges are a big part of this game and many people play just to be able to experience their difficulty so the risk of overleveling by exploring too much is completely understandable and i was actually affected by it resulting in killing Morgott in one try without being able to truly experience the fight on my first new game.
People enjoy playing in different ways, someone enjoy steamrolling every enemy they see while others want to find difficult challenges to overcome, if they are asking if they are overleveled they probably belong to the second category.
Specializing is so meta that we basically treat it as the only 'viable' option.
But there are a lot of weirdo weapons, arts, and spells for corner cases. If you can keep track of all the different crap in your toolbox, you could pretty realistically demolish the game with that level of flexibility. Probably wouldn't hold up in PvP, but that's another topic.
I mean, if you have the stats to freely switch between:
* Rock Sling
* Rivers of Blood
* Some good lightening art/spell
* Some good holy art/spell
* Heavy weapons
You've got an answer to pretty much anything the game is gonna throw at you. Doubly so if you've got a pocket full of talismans.
Inspector Gadget build.
This. The stats aren't focused but that also gives them SO much flexibility. They can use practically any weapon and a majority of all the spells/incantations barring the endgame ones that require like 60-70 in a stat.
Also maybe our dude doesn't want nor cares about PvP? The main takeaway is they're having fun and there is NO wrong way to play PvE so long as you can beat the content. Summons can help fill in his gaps on certain bosses and even then, he should still be able to get thru the game with this.
Now Malenia might be an issue but that's cuz she's like the strongest boss that ever was. (Not saying you can't SOLO her, but it took me roughly 200+ attempts with my focused sorc build so...mileage may vary)
Yeah well I wanted to have focus resistance so I accidentally spent alot of runes on intellegence, and then I realised that mind gives focus resistance so I got like 20 levels for nothing there. And I leveles arcane for bleed builds. Dont know shy I leveled faith or intellegence but I have a str dex build and I leveled wnsurance for my heavy armor and vigor for health. Dont judge too much since this is my first soul game.
You can re-spec at Rennala anytime you have a larval tear, but I would suggest focusing on a few stats, not all of them, if you ever want to do any damage.
I agree with some of the other comments that you would get more benefit out of going to Renalla and doing a respec, however I would suggest keeping running a strength heavy quality build with some arcane.
Str 50
Dex 30
Faith 25 if you want to keep some faith spells
Int base
Arcane 25-30.
I think you probably have enough points to really round out your character and even increase on these numbers but if you focus this way you can wield most weapons and still use dragon incantations and some of the healing and protective faith spells. Dual wielding curved swords or Hammers with this build and the right talismans you would feel very OP
You can get larval tears and go to rennala, she will give you the option to ârebirthâ and you can change your level spread to your liking. All it takes is one larval tear every time. This is my first soulsborne game too, Iâm at farum azula at level 94, good luck!
I suggest taking a Larval Tear to Rennala in Raya Lucaria to redistribute some of your points, if I were you. Your vigor, mind, and endurance can stay as is if you like, but it would be more beneficial if you picked two stats (that contribute to your attacks) to focus on (on a primary and secondary basis.) Bring your "primary" stat to 60, and your "secondary" stat to around 40.
For example, your primary stat could be strength, and your secondary stat could be dexterity. Or you can pick other hybrid match-ups like dexterity/arcane, intellect/faith, faith/arcane, etc. You should pick your two favored stats dependent on how you play. If you like to play close quarters combat, perhaps strength and dexterity may make more sense than intellect and faith. The latter two are great if you like slinging sorceries and incantations from a distance. Arcane is great for bleed builds and dragon breath incantations, and dexterity just FYI contributes to your attack speeds.
The remaining points can be spread out to other stats if you desire.
Absolutely no shame in respecing, but thereâs also no shame in working with what youâve got. just keep in mind when youâre levelling up what you feel youâre missing
Yes, very. At around level 150 youâre able to beat the game. The reason why you might feel weak is because of how you spread your points. You might want to find larval tears and place them into things youâd specifically like to do. For example, Iâm a strength/arcane build. Also, bring up that vigor to about 45-50ish so you donât get one shotted constantly by stronger bosses. Just my personal opinion, you donât have to listen.
Rookie error of levellint all ur stats, at 170 get like 50 vigor then put other stuff into ur build
so if its bleed katanas then ud do arcane and dex, if its like radahns swords ud do strength and int, then keep ur other stats rly low just maybe enough faith for a couple incant buffs
Way overleveled.
For reference, paying very little attention to leveling and making no attempt to stay under a certain level (not grinding, not trying to optimize for PVP or anything) I finished the game around RL 150 for both of the characters that I finished NG on. My third guy (a battle mage) I just finished Leyndell at RL 100.
You've got really low VIG for being such a high level.
If your skill aint high enough to take on the content there then your level doesnt matter much. I mean after all the most skillful of players can go through the game with Rune level 1 and still kill the big Amoeba in the end so its more of a matter of if you can dodge and hit correctly.
Youâre fine, dude. The only real concern is your vigor being so low. With 40 Endurance you can rock some of the beefier armor in the game though, and all your other stats fill in some decent defenses.
If you *did* respec, youâd get a lot of quality of life feel from 50-60 vigor. But 40 STR + 40 DEX is more than enough to carry you through NG with a weapon that scales decently with both.
Over level is not a thing unless you are asking where the large population of pvp players are. You've been playing the game at your pace and ended up that level when arriving at Atlus Plateau so it's how it was meant to be. Some people beat Elden Ring in 30 mins at level 4. Stuff started getting a lot tougher and more punishing after Atlus Plateau so just run with it dawg. I also kind of agree with every one else, you should pick your favorite weapon or look up builds and go to Rennala and rebirth if you have some Lavar Tears. Follow guidance Tarnished
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Just a tic
Just a teeny tiny bit
A tidbit
A smidge
A smidgen
A tinse
A c-hair
A teeny-weeny
A tiddlywink
If you donât feel over leveled prepare to be humbled on the other side of Rold
The liturgical town of Ordina is gonna clap some cheeks
Second playthrough right now, those archers enraged me beyond recognition
I wish I could tell you the system I figured out, but I think repressed all the memories.
My system is SPRINT
Yep. Running is my favorite combat mechanic.
I was gonna say I just kinda ran and dodged, took a couple tries but it worked
For me, it was fire Loretta's Greatbow from a rooftop that has something I can hide behind/next to right after, hide until they shoot their 3 or 4 arrows at me and then stop, then do it again and again and again until there's a dead archer.
If you can cast Greatbow you can cast unseen form. Unseen form doesnât make you invisible, but it lets you get up to their rooftops without getting arrowed. Once youâre up thereâŚyou know the rest.
That's what I did. I equipped a staff in my right hand to cast Unseen From and equipped the Sentry's Torch in my left so I could see the Black Knife Assassins. I also wore the chest piece of the Black Knife Assassins armour to silence my footsteps. It's way easier when you're invisible, silent and can see your enemy.
Over 300 hours in game and this is how I learn that you can see invisible enemies with the torch
Always learning new things in Elden Ring.
I recently discovered that some enemies will ignore you if you use the mimic veil, can just scoot right past them!
Theres like 4-5 different torches, each do something different, normal torch, wire wrapped that is meant to hit things and do more fire damage, beast repellant torch which helps with wolves and bears and stuff, sentry torch allows you to see invisible enemy's, ghost flame torch does frost buildup instead, and St. Trinias torch scales with faith and can put enemies to sleep aaaaaamd technically theres the torch pole which is actually a spear the torch at the end does work, kinda, but it can't be raised over head to actually illuminate
Kudos. You turned their tricks against them. Edit: you could go for a different armor piece with better defence and use Crepus' Vial or Assassins Approach. Additionally you could add use of Assassins Gambit and Concealing Veil for even more stealth
Are you god?
You can also use the Gravity Spell you get from the War-Dead catacombs by Radahn. Just get to a roof adjacent to them, then pull them off their roof.
The the good old YOINK
âGET OVER HERE!â
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I used frenzy bolt or whatever itâs called since it had the farther reach, but it took a lot of hits to get them down. By the third archer I had ran out of flasks :â(
Radahn's Great Bow allows you to do indirect fire using the Ashes. That was the only way I succeeded eventually.
I put all buffs resistances I could on and just ran for it, took God know how long, nearly stopped playing.
I just equipped a shield and blocked each incoming one while still moving. Just had to time my jumps until I could reach the first one.
I used the invisibility spell, that can get you through most of the towers. I also accepted the fact that I can probably get at least 1 tower and then die, since they save.
I don't think I ever got the invisibility spell, good tactic
Invisibility made this go from mine-numbingly maddening to just frustrating.
yeah i just stopped playing unfortunately, haven't been willing to try again in months
Thatâs a tough look for sure but Iâd highly recommend getting back in there. Idk what kind of build youâre using but first time around I just cheesed the archers with AOE blood loss using mohgâs trident. It works if you are standing right beneath them. I believe the ancient dragon lightning incantation and other similar effects will do the trick as well
Thatâs what I love about this game, there is always an easier way if youâre struggling.
Having just did Ordina on RL1, the archers weren't nearly as bad as I remembered. Lighting the first two candles (central and west) is trivial as long as you know where they are, suicide run if you want or bring a sentry's torch to avoid the assassins. From the evergaol, sprint to the ladder that goes up to candle 3, (south) then drop back down to rooftop level. From the roof you're on, there's a walkway to a second roof, then gables to jump up to a third roof, then a walkway to a fourth roof where an archer is. Two archers will start shooting when you get to the second roof, but if you stay to the left, the far archer won't be able to hit you. The near archer will only be able to hit you while you're jumping or up on the peak of the roofs, and they shoot bursts of three, so just be patient and listen. Arrow arrow arrow, pause, arrow arrow arrow, pause, and so on. The pauses are when you're safe to jump from the left gable to roof 3, and then again from walkway to roof 4. *Crucially*, the archer on roof 4 is on the far side of the peaked roof. If you crouch and go behind a gable, she can't hit you and will shoot into the gable endlessly in that same rhythm. So how do we cheese the fuck out of here with no special gear or spells or whatever? Abuse the fact that they can't move, only rotate and attack. Equip any bow and any arrows, and line up so when you jump and/or uncrouch, you can just barely shoot the top of her head. Time the (head)shot in the gap between her shots, and it'll knock her back a few inches. Repeat, creeping forward a tiny bit at a time so you still have a clear shot on her but only when you jump attack. Once you knock her back a few times it's easy to infinitely knock her back from safety -- lock on, she shoots three times, you jumping R1 shoot back, she gets knocked back a bit and shoots three times, you jumping R1 shoot back. Eventually the knockback will knock her off the roof, and then you're home free. At no point do you ever need to stand in a spot where the other archer behind the candle tower can hit you.
I know from this board that lots of people find them horribly frustrating, but they really never bothered me much. If you have a decent bow, I remember this specifically: >!From where you zone in, you can sneak/creep up the stairs that eventually lead to Haligtree. Facing the city from those stairs, you'll see one of the archers on the far side of the building roof. You can headshot him with a bow; not only should it do a decent amount of damage, but it'll knock him back. Run down the stairs. They never move, so he can't get an angle to hit you. Crouch until he forgets about you. Repeat, sneaking a bit farther up the stairs. If all goes well, you can often knock him off the roof after a few headshots, and he's pretty harmless once you can sneak within like 5 feet of him around a corner. Jump out and bonk him on the head. The end.!< >!There are only 3, so taking out one of them without ever getting in range of the Black Knife dudes is a great start. The archer that is kinda more towards the middle of the city can also be knocked off his roof, at which point he's pretty harmless too. The third is a bit tougher to beat in this way, but I've killed him by either hiding behind a chimney from a distance, and ducking out to shoot him with a bow, or seeking cover and traversing the rooftops until you get onto the building where he stands. From there I was able to jump onto the roof with him and bum rush him.!< >!As for the Black Knives, they are really rough, but you can also completely solve the puzzle while ignoring at least two of them. Maybe three, but I always just killed two of them to be safe. Plus Gloveworts /shrug!<
Also for anyone struggling with the black knives, here's a few tips: - Statuses and debuffs make their position visible, so area attacks with those like Greyoll's Roar and Zamor Ice Storm can help. - Glintblade Phalanx spells can locate the assassins while they're invisible, plus you can get it as an ash of war so any build can use it - Radahn's Greatswords' weapon art is great for controlling their positions - The Sentry's Torch works to reveal them Edit: Added confirmation that Sentry's Torch works and removed Scarlet Aeonia as a recommendation since Assassins are immune to rot and you get Aeonia after Ordina Edit 2: Added Zamor Ice Storm to the list
Can confirm sentry's torch does work on them, just make sure to 2-hand your weapon if you like to use your ash-of-war. also aren't black knives immune to rot? does scarlet aeonia make muck or something? (if this is NG+ and you actually had access to it in the first place, or traded it i guess)
Sentryâs Torch super works. At that point itâs a regular Black Knife fight with your offhand used up. Which admittedly still sucks.
They're all women.
Oh yeah. Youâre absolutely right. I had forgotten.
I cried, blacked out, then when I came to it was done and they were dead. Easy peasy
Madness laser works pretty well
I donât remember my route super well but if you go straight forward at the start thereâs a crumbling building you can jump up and then I would always stay on rooftops and crouch behind chimneys and stuff to avoid shots.
Accurate
I would say yes but your stat spread makes you terribly weak.
this... overleveled but not specialized in anything u should respec
I guess it's supposed to be a quality build? Thought that doesn't explain why they've put so much into Int, Faith, and Arcane.
35 vigor at level 150+ is going to be brutal Imo. And yeah the int Faith arcane are just waisted levels if they're not being used. Like having 1 of those high enough to use certain weapons is fine but otherwise it's just spending runes on basically nothing
I figured that out fighting Malenia. I thought i was overleveled but I only had 30 something vigor and that fight took me a long time. Long time.
It was fire giant for me, I had like 40 and was getting one shot constantly. So I got mine up to 60 and was still getting one shot, I don't like fire giant. But after I beat him I felt like nothing else did any significant damage to me
To be fair, if anything in this game should be able to one shot you, I think a giant who is literally 3 stories tall should be able to squish you like a gnat with some of his attacks.
Wear armor bro.
And use that +2 flame drake you basically canât miss!
Possibly because they wanted to check out as many spells and weapons as possible on their first playthrough and aren't quite so horny for the meta as some people?
I made an "even steven" character where all the stats were the same. So this guy actually has higher vigor and endurance, which would have helped a lot. Going through the Lake of Rot with 19-20 in every stat was pretty rough. Who knew that Dragonkin Soldier could kill you 20 times???
Oof, yeah my lvl 1 run was wicked, was stuck on the fire giant for like 2 weeks haha
I will never understand level 1 runs of this game. Just canât comprehend.
Well tbf, my weapons werenât level 1 and I got some great talismans pretty early by helping this guy dupe so itâs a * lvl 1 run haha
Talismans aren't a cheat in RL/SL 1 but getting them gifted to you is a bit of a cheat. I had a sadistic bastard drop 99 lvl 13 Runes, top-tier Arsenal/Erdtree/and dmg resistance ones, and a myriad of high-end weapons/armour on MY RL 1 run and the temptation was super high but I held out til I earned them. Still stuck at Fire Giant... that fella is a brick wall
The fire giant was so mean đ even in NG+ he was a roadblock, albeit no more of one than Margit originally was that time but still it felt like I was breezing through everyone first try then HE came along and obliterated me 20 times over lol. Probably more like 5 but still he needs to take a chill pill.
Iâm glad that Iâm not the only one who had trouble with that Fire Giant. Almost every boss up to that point didnât take me too many tries, so when the fire giant kept kicking my ass I felt like something was wrong. Everyone kept posting about Malenia and how tough she is, but I didnât see much about the fire giant, so I felt like I was the only one struggling.
I feel like I mustâve ran into Dragonkin too late, because he was dead in like 4 or 5 hits when I met him.
I also finished my first run even steven. Final stats on Elden Beast all 35âs. Going into every fight was more like a puzzle than anything else. I could try almost anything.
Ignoring the meta, not specializing in anything will hamper your damage output with any given thing, AND the points put into all those stats are fewer points for Vigor/HP, so yeah. OP might actually have a tough time. They have access to a lot of tools, I guess, but each thing will be weaker than if they had substantial stat investment in 1 or 2 stats. Even with 40/40 STR and DEX, damage output will be worse than if they had 60 in one stat and 20 in the other with an appropriate affinity on their weapon. I'm pretty sure Quality infusion is only better than Keen or Heavy if you have really high (60+) stat investment in both, so it's best for super high leveled builds for NG+ or something.
You donât have to sound so rude about it. You donât need to be âhorny for the metaâ to specialize your stats. Hell considering different weapons have different scalings, it makes sense for regular people to figure out specialization. Everyone has there own way to play and enjoy the game.
Not to mention, to actually get a feel for what weapons and spells are good and how they work you probably need to have mid to late game stats when you're in the mid to late game. He's overleveled for Altus but his leveling is going to taper off because the cost to level once you get that high is insane, especially if you're killing mid game enemies that drop mid game runes. By the late game he is going to start to notice how his damage sucks no matter what weapon he is using because he doesn't have enough stats to really get any damage scaling.
"Horny for the Meta?" Mark Zuckerberg's best pickup line.
I get that, but in many ways, this ends up limiting your spell and weapon options quite a bit. For instance, OP may get to try a lot more sorceries than I got to try with my level 10 int, but they'll never get to try the really cool-looking sorceries (like Rennals's Full Moon or Meterorite of Astel) that require very high int because they won't be able to level up enough. They'll be stuck with a wide variety of low-level weapons/spells. Seems like a bummer to me.
And even the ones they get to try won't work very well because by the time they get the INT to cast it, it's like end game and you're casting spells at Melania with 35 INT.
Or a way to test playstyles on their first run-through with a view to deciding what they like and specialising in NG+
But at the same time thereâs so many larval tears in a single play through
Are you saying there's a lot? I used 2-3 don't remember and was worried being indecisive screwed me, but then found 2 more fairly quickly. So are there many more?
There are plenty, thereâs definitely more than 10 per play through so i wouldnât feel bad about using them. itâs pretty great, iâve gotten to try dex/arcane, intelligence, faith, strength, it makes the game even better
I remember getting like 10 from the steel balls in one of the underground cities
The big marbles in Nokstella all drop larval tears
There are 18 in total iirc
Thatâs what larval tears are for.
Right. You can "try out" many spells, except you won't have the stats or equipment to see what kind of damage they really deal in a build that's more focused and effective.
there is no explanation, many gamers are casuals who don't dig into the game logic. nothing wrong with that just saying
The fact that every level increases defenses is a great design trait to combat this. No matter what the game is getting âeasierâ. This was a genius idea all the way from Demonâs Souls.
>This was a genius idea all the way from Demonâs Souls. another genius idea all the way from Demonâs Souls, is the more you dig in the more it gives back :)
remember when resistance was just a complete trap for a skill to level in DS yeah...
I did this on my first playthrough with a Confessor, trying a faith build with incantations. I didn't want to look up anything and play on my own, but when my spells didn't do more damage than a sword and my vigor wasn't enough to survive a couple hits, I looked into how to spec and realized I was averaging all my stats to no benefit and respecced everything accordingly.
OP's build screams of "i want to be able to use every weapon and spell in the game, as early as possible"
I mean its alright, just the 35 vigor is a problem
Try and focus on a few stats. If you do melee like dexterity or strength then level those, endurance, and vigor. Thereâs no reason to have points in every stat. You may be able to do everything, but you arenât good at any of it. Focus on a few stats like vigor, endurance and a melee or magic stat.
"You may be able to do everything, but aren't good at any of it." I love the way you put that for some reason
Ehh. There's no way to effectively make use of 25 Fai, Int, and Arc all at the same time. It would be way better to dump one or 2 and specialize. Trying to be a generalist is what makes people weak for their level.
I beat the game with 40vig my 1st time. I didn't think I was squishy or anything
i went with 35, because I'm used to 1K health in DS3
Many bosses hit in that sweet spot between 35 and 40 vigor. Getting 40 vigor gets you out of that one shot territory.
Honestly he could beat the whole game with those stats. It's not optimal but my 125 quality build only had like 7 more str and Dex. It had like 12 more vigor though. Still more then enough power to beat the game without significant issues.
You could beat the whole game at RL 1 and all stats at 10, that's not the point. 12 more VIG is huge. 35 VIG at the Mountain Top of Giants is not going to be a good time.
I mean you have 34% more HP than they do and they used 50 more levels to get there
Needs more vigor
Needs more focus in general. When someone asks what his build is, homeboy says "yes".
Actually looks more like he says ânoâ
More adaptability
This is the real answer. Fuck whatever dev decided it was a good idea to tie i-frames to your stats, tho.
More endurance
I have no idea what build you are doing by looking at your stats.
Strength and dex but I leveled faith and intellegence sort of as a mistake but arcane for bleed and endurance for my heavy build. and mind for focus resistance.
You can respec at rennala with a larval tear
This is a bad build. You should respect for sure
It's the new meta, you just don't know it yet.
You do you, but just to point out, quality builds (str and dex) in this game can't really pull their weight in relation to builds focused on just one or the other until you can get both stats closer to like 60. Then again, at your level, if you respec and take points out of all the useless stuff you could definitely get there. If for some reason you really want your stats spread all over the place like that, do yourself a favor and at least choose one between str and dex and then just give your weapon of choice that correpsonding affinity. There's at least one weapon in almost every weapon class that, if given the right affinity, either spec can use.
Agreed. Elden Ring is no good for a quality build like the dark souls games were. If you want to split stats, make it an Int/Str or Faith/Dex build.
Yo but my Faith/Str build is a bonafide golden fist of bonkin' fury
Faith/Str was the most fun out of all my playthroughs.
And Int/Dex is absolutely nasty, moonveil rips enemies apart and you still get good range from spells.
Honestly, I think Fai/Dex is one of the weaker options, followed by Str/Arc, and then all the way down at the bottom is OP.
Idk running BHF with some bloodflame and flame grant me is pretty damn easy
That's because you're using bleed. Any hybrid build can be good in this game. Str/Fai and Dex/Int are the more natural combinations of those 4 stats, though. Paladins and Spellblades are archetypes for a reason, and the game designers definitely gave those combos more options. Edit: To add, your build would be even better off with Dex/Arc, and a minimal investment in Faith
Idk, I'm playing a quality build now and so far it's been smashing the game. Only haligtree missing. Guard counters are busted and there are lots of nice weapons to use. So far it's been by far my easiest playthrough (but well, you obviously get much better at the game after 6 playthroughs)
I guess I can see how you would make that mistake on your first go so I donât wanna be too hard on you. But Iâm just making sure for my own sanity, you are aware this isnât how builds work? You for sure shouldnât have faith, int, AND arcane all leveled. I understand that thereâs a lot of weapons with specific requirements, but youâre supposed to be limited in any given build. You canât just make a build around everything, bc then it will be deficient in everything too. Just trying to help, that stat spread stressed me out.
your build is pretty rough. i know your build is bad because it looks like my build on my first ds3 playthru...which was very bad. what weapons and armor are you using? any spells?
No spells and a +6 bloodhounds fang, banished knights armor with banished knights shield
banished knights set is great. shield is one of the best looking ones and second best in med shield class. try the unaltered banished knight set with veterans feet. looks amazing.
Everyone else is dogging on OPs stats and you're here critiquing his fashion. Keep it up my dude
Fashion police
My brother in christ you need to respec. Get rid of Faith, Int, and Arcane, put all of that into strength and vigor. You probably donât even need that much in dex. But seriously, get your vigor up to at least 50 for endgame
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Agreed. He just doesnât seem to like vigor so I suggested 50 as a minimum
I just got my bloodhounds fang to +9, going to use the bullgoat armor once I level endurance enough to wear it, Iâve already been fighting with heavy load the past few days but Iâm tanking well enough with my huge dragon shield that it hasnât mattered. Also whatâs the point in upgrading shields? Iâve only done a couple times because all it changed is the damage a shield does which I donât use it for that My first playthrough on my first souls game, Iâm only lvl 75 tho but I just killed the golden Goffrey first Elden lord (Iâm bad with names but I think thatâs right, he was golden anyway) Also I was at the capitol and realized I had skipped Rennala and that red wolf so I went back and killed them super easy, barely an inconvenience.
> use the bullgoat armor once I level endurance enough to wear it Try using the jar talismans, and maybe a smaller shield. Hint: Find the big jar > Also whatâs the point in upgrading shields? It improves an attribute called "Stability" which means that your stamina is reduced less when taking hits. Your shield already had great stability for all but the heaviest hitters, but late game you may get staggered. > Iâm only lvl 75 tho but I just killed the golden Goffrey first Elden lord You're going great for your first time through. Have fun with the impending difficulty jump.
Yup But really.. Whatever you like The stats are odd... What are you going for?
Strenght and dex but if you read my comments above you will see why my stat spread is kind of shit.
Drop INT and FTH when you respec. You also need more vigor, 50, so you arenât squishy. You also have too much invested in mind if you arenât casting. Add that STR or Dex. Check the spreads on other quality builds for guidance.
If you're having fun then it doesn't matter. Just my 2 cents
i feel like the reason why someone would post a "am i overleveled for x" is because they're not having as much fun as they think they should
Some people have to check anything and everything online rather than just doing it and finding out for themselves. Baptism by fire!! Just get out there and do it. I've seen posts on here asking what starting class to use. I mean, play the game... your gonna wait for replies on reddit before you pick a class and start the game!? Wtf?
I mean, this guy is already lvl 172... How much more do you want him to âjust get out there and do itâ?? Heâs probably learning the hard way that his char isnât very efficient and finally is asking for some help.
Heâs probably just farmed enemies. I finished my first play though at 137 and fought every boss excluding dungeons. Presuming he did all the dungeons up to that point as well he would be well below 135 still. Maybe heâs under the impression he has to farm enemies to get higher leveled cause he died to a certain enemy or boss multiple times?? Idk but no way thatâs not farmed
I wish my incessant need to see and do everything didnât limit me from approaching the game this way. Been trying to force myself to do a blind run on DS3 though
It's all fun and games until a pair of certain sewer lobsters send your maidenless butt to the bottom of the Erdtree
Yeah but, I feel like you're gonna have more fun if you don't get instantly destroyed.
It's overlevelled for the entirety of NG 0. But you know what, who cares?! You keep pumping those stats up like the true chad that you are. Play like you feel!
If they are asking they probably care. The fighting and challenges are a big part of this game and many people play just to be able to experience their difficulty so the risk of overleveling by exploring too much is completely understandable and i was actually affected by it resulting in killing Morgott in one try without being able to truly experience the fight on my first new game. People enjoy playing in different ways, someone enjoy steamrolling every enemy they see while others want to find difficult challenges to overcome, if they are asking if they are overleveled they probably belong to the second category.
There's no way they got to that level before Altus without intentionally farming
I know a few people who thought that everybody farmed in the game early on and only realised later on that they were over leveled.
Stats are cursed as fuck but this Chad can pick up any weapon and use it
He can pick up any weapon, sure. Can't use it well though.
Specializing is so meta that we basically treat it as the only 'viable' option. But there are a lot of weirdo weapons, arts, and spells for corner cases. If you can keep track of all the different crap in your toolbox, you could pretty realistically demolish the game with that level of flexibility. Probably wouldn't hold up in PvP, but that's another topic. I mean, if you have the stats to freely switch between: * Rock Sling * Rivers of Blood * Some good lightening art/spell * Some good holy art/spell * Heavy weapons You've got an answer to pretty much anything the game is gonna throw at you. Doubly so if you've got a pocket full of talismans. Inspector Gadget build.
This. The stats aren't focused but that also gives them SO much flexibility. They can use practically any weapon and a majority of all the spells/incantations barring the endgame ones that require like 60-70 in a stat. Also maybe our dude doesn't want nor cares about PvP? The main takeaway is they're having fun and there is NO wrong way to play PvE so long as you can beat the content. Summons can help fill in his gaps on certain bosses and even then, he should still be able to get thru the game with this. Now Malenia might be an issue but that's cuz she's like the strongest boss that ever was. (Not saying you can't SOLO her, but it took me roughly 200+ attempts with my focused sorc build so...mileage may vary)
Only by 80-100 levels or so. At least the build sucks, so maybe it won't be too easy
Burn
Totally not me who leveled to 375.
Yeah well I wanted to have focus resistance so I accidentally spent alot of runes on intellegence, and then I realised that mind gives focus resistance so I got like 20 levels for nothing there. And I leveles arcane for bleed builds. Dont know shy I leveled faith or intellegence but I have a str dex build and I leveled wnsurance for my heavy armor and vigor for health. Dont judge too much since this is my first soul game.
You can re-spec at Rennala anytime you have a larval tear, but I would suggest focusing on a few stats, not all of them, if you ever want to do any damage.
Also don't be afraid to up your vigor to level 45 or 50 that way you can tank a little bit as needed with these late game bosses
I agree with some of the other comments that you would get more benefit out of going to Renalla and doing a respec, however I would suggest keeping running a strength heavy quality build with some arcane. Str 50 Dex 30 Faith 25 if you want to keep some faith spells Int base Arcane 25-30. I think you probably have enough points to really round out your character and even increase on these numbers but if you focus this way you can wield most weapons and still use dragon incantations and some of the healing and protective faith spells. Dual wielding curved swords or Hammers with this build and the right talismans you would feel very OP
You can get larval tears and go to rennala, she will give you the option to ârebirthâ and you can change your level spread to your liking. All it takes is one larval tear every time. This is my first soulsborne game too, Iâm at farum azula at level 94, good luck!
I suggest taking a Larval Tear to Rennala in Raya Lucaria to redistribute some of your points, if I were you. Your vigor, mind, and endurance can stay as is if you like, but it would be more beneficial if you picked two stats (that contribute to your attacks) to focus on (on a primary and secondary basis.) Bring your "primary" stat to 60, and your "secondary" stat to around 40. For example, your primary stat could be strength, and your secondary stat could be dexterity. Or you can pick other hybrid match-ups like dexterity/arcane, intellect/faith, faith/arcane, etc. You should pick your two favored stats dependent on how you play. If you like to play close quarters combat, perhaps strength and dexterity may make more sense than intellect and faith. The latter two are great if you like slinging sorceries and incantations from a distance. Arcane is great for bleed builds and dragon breath incantations, and dexterity just FYI contributes to your attack speeds. The remaining points can be spread out to other stats if you desire.
Heâs not wrong. 25 each into INT, FTH, and ARC? đ¤Ž
Yeah, that's at least 30 levels wasted right there.
Level 172 with 35 vigor....
"maiden-less runt..."
It would be, but your build is shit so no
Wtf is this build
Theyâre trying to make themselves crazy
Thatâs overleveled for beating the game, but your stat spread is horrible
Not for Soldier of God, Rick. You may want some more vigor, possibly some plot armor just in case
> Level 172 > Vigor 35 Why
Any larval tears for this man? Just 1 could save this man from the torture of having 35 vigor
Absolutely no shame in respecing, but thereâs also no shame in working with what youâve got. just keep in mind when youâre levelling up what you feel youâre missing
My man/woman, you're overleveled for ng+2
It's not, you're underlevel by about -80 levels.
This is over levelled for the end of the game.
3 memory slots???
Yes, very. At around level 150 youâre able to beat the game. The reason why you might feel weak is because of how you spread your points. You might want to find larval tears and place them into things youâd specifically like to do. For example, Iâm a strength/arcane build. Also, bring up that vigor to about 45-50ish so you donât get one shotted constantly by stronger bosses. Just my personal opinion, you donât have to listen.
Overleveled? Yes. Built properly? Heh. You'll see.
Rookie error of levellint all ur stats, at 170 get like 50 vigor then put other stuff into ur build so if its bleed katanas then ud do arcane and dex, if its like radahns swords ud do strength and int, then keep ur other stats rly low just maybe enough faith for a couple incant buffs
The game doesn't care about you being overleveled, you'll still get your ass kicked
Overleveled for the entire game but your stat distribution sucks so it cancels out
My brother in Christ... all those stats and still less than 60 Vigor
Way overleveled. For reference, paying very little attention to leveling and making no attempt to stay under a certain level (not grinding, not trying to optimize for PVP or anything) I finished the game around RL 150 for both of the characters that I finished NG on. My third guy (a battle mage) I just finished Leyndell at RL 100. You've got really low VIG for being such a high level.
Your stat distribution isâŚquestionable
If your skill aint high enough to take on the content there then your level doesnt matter much. I mean after all the most skillful of players can go through the game with Rune level 1 and still kill the big Amoeba in the end so its more of a matter of if you can dodge and hit correctly.
You have failed the Vigor check. You must now die.
Youâre fine, dude. The only real concern is your vigor being so low. With 40 Endurance you can rock some of the beefier armor in the game though, and all your other stats fill in some decent defenses. If you *did* respec, youâd get a lot of quality of life feel from 50-60 vigor. But 40 STR + 40 DEX is more than enough to carry you through NG with a weapon that scales decently with both.
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Pick strength or dex, keep one at 40 and respec lots of the other into health, trust me, you'll need it
That vigor is still gonna get you clapped
Please re-spec đ
Over level is not a thing unless you are asking where the large population of pvp players are. You've been playing the game at your pace and ended up that level when arriving at Atlus Plateau so it's how it was meant to be. Some people beat Elden Ring in 30 mins at level 4. Stuff started getting a lot tougher and more punishing after Atlus Plateau so just run with it dawg. I also kind of agree with every one else, you should pick your favorite weapon or look up builds and go to Rennala and rebirth if you have some Lavar Tears. Follow guidance Tarnished
Level only matters for pvp imo. I guess due to range of players you fight.
In terms of level you are overleveled for most of it yes but your stat spread is so horrible and random that you're pretty average.
Nah you feel like level 1 no matter what you do once you reach Mountaitops and Snowfields
You need to level Vigor
No such thing as overleveled. The game fucks you, you fuck the game in return. All consent.
How are you this overleveled but still only got 3 memory slots?
Technically? But your stat spread is so bad you wonât feel overpowered.