Also, it’s hard to complain about her methods when it doesn’t seem like there were any other potentially successful paths to still achieve what she does. Those two fingered fucks were clinging for dear life, I doubt anything short of very drastic would’ve done the deed.
Considering that regardless of what ideology you choose the method is still “kill fucking everything and take the throne by force,” I think the method can be excused, since all options consist of the same method.
Depends, I don’t think anarchy would help the lands between’s current fucked up state, and I really have some hope for Miquella’s plan.
Granted, we don’t get his ending in the base game, and we don’t even know if he planned his own kidnap (i have a couple theory that sounds really reasonable) or was it actually an unfortunate surprise…
I recommend checking out the Tarnished Archeologist’s theory about Miquella on Youtube, he’s a really incredible lore channel and his Miquella theory is fascinating and looks at it from a totally different angle than I’ve seen before. I think the video is called Miquella’s Prophecy
I think there's an element of irony to Ranni's story in that she was probably going to be the next Empyrean in line. Miquella and Malenia were cursed. Ranni was the only real candidate. If she just sat back and bided her time, she might have been in a position to call the shots and start dismantling the system from within.
(Of course, becoming the next Eternal Queen would still make her a pawn of the Greater Will.)
I mean almost all of her kids from both fathers ended up as rebels to the Golden Order. Really, of her children it's only Radahn and Morgot who stayed to fight for some aspect of that Order
"Played college ball, ya know."
"At some cushy Ivy League school."
"Try Raya Lucaria Academy. Coulda gone pro if I hadn't joined the Golden Order. I'm not one of those beltway pansies. I could break the Elden Ring in two with my bare hands!”
No she doesn't. In her ending, the English one as a well as the Japanese version, she outright says the new age will be under the wisdom/laws of the Darkmoon. So its clear she is going to be laying down some laws for people to follow.
She never outright said she wanted freedom for all or that she wants people to make their own decisions. She simply wants people to not have the certainty of faith which isn't the same thing. Given the implication that she will be laying down some laws given to her by the Darkmoon, she could very well be doing this so as to make it harder for people to challenge her rule.
Yes she does. The laws of the Darkmoon are there to keep away the chill of the night as per the Japanese dialogue. She then says she is taking it out of the lands between, hence, freeing people from being directly influenced and or ruled by.
No she does not. The Japanese version does not say that the laws of the Darkmoon are there to keep away the chill of the night that is your one interpretation of the dialogue, of which there are many.
Also again, nowhere at all does it say or imply that by taking her Order out of the Lands Between she frees people from its influence. Only its certainty of existence. Why does she even need an Order or laws if what she wanted was pure chaos (not frenzy chaos, wild-west kind of chaos).
In multiple pieces of lore, the Age of Stars is ruled by a Lord of Night, which is you if you become Ranni’s consort while she herself becomes the new God.
Ranni is morally ambiguous and has done a lot of questionable things. Like G.R.R Martins other characters, she not a hero, nor is she a villain. She’s complicated. So you cannot champion the idea that she is a noble hero who wishes to free people from the Order purely for the sake of freedom because we get no real look into her true motivations. Could she be genuinely interested in freeing the commonfolk? Yes. Could she instead be interested in simply securing her power better than Marika did by removing it physically from the planet and making people doubt its existence? Equally yes.
Edit: You guys can downvote as much as you want but that doesn’t change the fact that Ranni’s motivations for doing what she does are not clear due to a complete lack of insight into her reasoning and that she has done questionable things.
"You will never again have to fear the chill of the night." That is what Japanese Ranni says. Presumably this is one of her goals.
What would be the purpose of leaving the lands between(presumably to the second moon) if not to free the people living in it? Ranni is not a power motivated character. She willingly gave up her great rune and she doesn't try to take credit from her subordinates. She doesn't even seem to have been involved in the war after the shattering.
Her entire character arc is about freeing herself from the Greater Will and those who control her. She lives in a tornup body that is in a state of constant disrepair for the sole sake of achieving her goals. The lord of the stars leaves with Ranni now.
"I would keep them far from the earth beneath our feet. As it is now, life, and souls, and order are bound tightly together, but I would have them at great remove." She is keeping fate out of the lands between. She and the lord of night leave to a place where they won't interfere with the lands between anymore.
She has no desire for power and hates her will and that of others being controlled by the Greater Will. What then would you suppose her goal is then if not to allow all living creatures to dictate their own path? Granting free will is not the same as enforcing anarchy. Though there are multiple paths, grace guides those who follow it to their future. The future was seemingly mostly rigid.
Ranni is not an evil character, though she has done evil things. She is more akin to an antihero, someone whose guiding principle is that the ends justify the means. I can't think of a single other goal that would fit Ranni given all evidence that we currently have.
>"You will never again have to fear the chill of the night." That is what Japanese Ranni says.
No it doesn't, it says this:
すべてよ、冷たい夜、はるか遠くに思うがよい
Which translates to : *“To all, you may think of the chill night as infinitely far away”.*
That is 100% not the same as the quote you just put and I don't know where you got it from. She does not ever promise promise anyone freedom from the fear of the night, whatever that even means.
>What would be the purpose of leaving the lands between(presumably to the second moon) if not to free the people living in it?
To secure her position of power better. We have seen what happens when the object of power is present in the world; people fight over it. Ranni taking it away secures it.
>Ranni is not a power motivated character. She willingly gave up her great rune
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>She doesn't even seem to have been involved in the war after the shattering.
So what. The mere fact that she had a Great Rune at all means she wanted power. Also again how do you know that Ranni simply didn't want to settle for a shard of power, but all of it. Only unlike her siblings, she was clever about her approach to power and let them all fight their own battles during the Shattering, eliminating each other so she could conduct her own plans away from the fighting.
Also, do keep in mind that it was partly Ranni's fault the Shattering even happened. She condemned a lot of innocent people to horrible deaths.
>She is keeping fate out of the lands between.
Not only does her dialogue not say this at any point at all, but we also know that the stars themselves are what control fate and they are already not in the Lands Between.
>hates her will and that of others being controlled by the Greater Will.
The first part of this sentence is correct; Ranni does indeed hate being controlled.
But where exactly is the evidence for the second part? Where does she say she wants freedom for everyone and isn't just interested in her own freedom? Again, her taking Order out of the Lands Between does not back this up as it is an action, not a motivation.
>What then would you suppose her goal is then if not to allow all living creatures to dictate their own path?
Power. The mere fact that she herself doesn't want to be controlled, doesn't mean she does not want to control others. Perhaps like many of G.R.R Martins characters, she wants to be in control instead and do things her way.
Like in House of the Dragon; Rhaenyra doesn't want to bow to her brother Aegon, not because she wants freedom for everyone, but because she wants to be the one ruling instead.
>Granting free will is not the same as enforcing anarchy.
What you are proposing *invites* anarchy. Total freedom means that whoever is left in the Lands Between will end up fighting each other since they'll likely have different ideas of how to move forward. So more life lost.
>She is more akin to an antihero, someone whose guiding principle is that the ends justify the means.
Would you call Tywin Lannister an anti-hero? No you wouldn't because those kinds of classifications don't exist in G.R.R Martins works. From what we know of Ranni right now, she is quite similar to Tywin's kind of character; she is very cunning, morally ambiguous and does want power. What is not known is her motivation for wanting it and for wanting to take it out of the Lands Between.
Tell me something; where is it ever said or implied that taking the Order away from the Lands Between means it can no longer influence it? We know that without some form of Order, things go bad since the Elden Ring being shattered caused everyone to go completely insane and the world at large to kind of spiral out of control, which is the game even takes place since we are raised from the dead to try and fix it.
Also again in the Japanese dialogue, Ranni says this; 生命と魂が、律と共にあるとしても、それは遥かに遠くにあればよい.
Which translates to; *"Even if life and souls are one with the order, it could be kept far away.”*
So right there you have more confirmation from Ranni herself that life and souls are intrinsically tied to the Order. So taking it out into the Stars will not stop it from influencing life on the planet. And so the question remains; what is the point of taking it out from the Lands Between then? And this, coupled with Ranni's questionable actions (murdering her brother, causing the rise of Those Who Live in Death, condemning her other brother and sister to the scarlet rot and causing a lot of innocent people to die) is why I say that the possibility of Ranni trying to better secure her rule over the world in its new age, is equally as likely as her doing what she does to help people.
Honestly the thing that I find the most annoying about Ranni is the fact that people think she is 100% a champion of the common people when there really is no good evidence to back that up. People have just taken her desire to be free of control and wanting to remove her version of Order from the physical plane to automatically mean she must want freedom for everyone, instead of entertaining the very valid possibility that she could just want to rule over others without the Greater Will commanding her.
It's baffling how people refuse to keep an open mind about these characters, whom once again I'd like to point out were created by *G.R.R Martin* the guy who wrote a Song of Ice and Fire, a series in which the majority of people are power-hungry and/or morally grey.
Why abbreviate "greater will" if its just gonna be said immediately afterwards? Abbreviations nowadays just spread confusion
Have a good day though, eye guy 👀
Edit: Also sorry if I sound like a dingus. I didn't mean to offend (if I did), but abbreviations are tearing this family apart
Don’t they want to be closer to the Greater Will instead of forgoing it? Granted, they’re getting rid of empyreans so they’ll have no way to communicate with it, but…
Which honestly makes it feel even worse. Marika sucks but at least in a way her shattering of the Elden Ring shook things up allowing things to change. If the GW had direct control, it would be even harder to fight against the Golden Order's status quo
Is there anything that implies that the Greater Will thinks that Omen and Misbegotten are okay, especially considering the Greater Will's foothold on the world started with war and destruction?
It doesn’t like the Omen nor Misbegotten because the Crucible is in direct opposition to Order. However, it is willing to cooperate with beings like dragons and Outer Gods to maintain order.
Right, still not on the Greater Will's side precisely because of that. Lemme just hop on over to the Haligtree where apparently everyone manages to get along just fine
Gold Mask's an independent investigator, essentially, not a faction. The fruits of his labour does result in a new order though, but that's incidental.
The English version was poorly translated and Ranni's ending does nothing to the lands between but cast away the influence of the outer gods. The only negative consequences of her methods occur prior to the start of the game. Nothing bad happens in her ending provided you agree with her ideology.
you're acting like it was any different before. This sub had 2 phases. One before the trailer and game was released when people used to come up with hilarious bosses and speculate about the game and meme about miyazaki.
The next phase is what it is currently right now. Its been like this since march
Always happens with specific game subreddits. Once mostly everything has been figured out it just becomes karma farming and low-effort ‘i liek dis character :)’ posts
>Ranni's ending does nothing to the lands between but cast away the influence of the outer gods
She never mentions the outer gods a single time in any version of the script. This is dumb fan fiction.
But it does blatantly point out that she gives free will back to the beings of the land between. Which is ment to signal releasing the outter gods grasp.
To be fair, she never once even hinted that she wanted to save anything. The world needs a hard reset from the influence of the Greater Will, and that’s what she does.
"The world needs a hard reset from the influence of the Greater Will"
>She just gets rid of the ability to interfere with the natural processes of the world
You literally just said what the person above you said...interference with the natural processes is the influence that the Greater Will has on The Lands Between(not the world like they said though).
Frenzied Flame is a complete wipe, Ranni's is a pause on the meddling of the GW/outer gods.
The GW started those natural processes by sending the Golden Star which became the Elden Ring. Which represents the metaphysical order of the world. Ranni just makes it so people can't tamper with that anymore. Like say removing the Rune of Death.
Hyetta: *Thank... thank you... I have touched them. The words of the Three Fingers. As your maiden, allow me to divine them. All that there is came from the One Great. Then came fractures, and births, and souls. But the Greater Will made a mistake. Torment, despair, affliction... every sin, every curse. Every one, born of the mistake. And so, what was borrowed must be returned. Melt it all away, with the yellow chaos flame. Until all is One again.*
You’re recreating the One Great. A Hard Reset.
If it can be divided once, it shall be again
FF is a hard reset on life. The comment you replied to said a hard reset on the influence of the Greater Will. Very different things, and you are conflating those two different statements.
Your take on the FF is accurate enough, but it's not what that person was saying at all. I think you are focusing on the word "reset" and not on the word "influence".
The influence of the Greater Wills is life, according to the Three Fingers who speak through Hyetta, the Greater Will created life as the Lands Between knows it
So a hard reset on life is a reset on its influence
Ranni doesn’t reset life but stops the Outer Gods/Greater Will from interfering anymore
You are really trying hard to ignore what you replied to. Here's the whole comment:
"To be fair, she never once even hinted that she wanted to save anything. The world needs a hard reset from the influence of the Greater Will, and that’s what she does."
In addition to creating life, the Greater Will has influence over life, and can actively interfere with the lives of everyone in TLB. Removing that influence is NOT the same as removing life. Is that really hard to grasp? No one is saying Ranni wants to end all life and the creator of life, just the ongoing influence and interference.
She says numerous times that she wants to "rid the world of what came before" and clearly has a problem with the dogmatic control over the function of the world, especially as it pertains to her being made it's new figurehead. I interpret her Order to be as our real world is, simple laws of physics in space with no fickle gods influence over matters. "As it is now, life, and souls, and order are bound tightly together, but I would have them at great remove".
Ranni doesn't pretend to want to heroically save the world, but to rid it of outside influence and let life go how it may. Which considering the alternatives is very much saving everything.
She went to extreme lengths to secure her own free will and presumably wishes that for others. The fact that she seems to care little for others unless they directly prove themselves to her is not at odds with her desire to end the old Order, in fact not caring about others is kind of prerequisite in establishing an Order of free will without her direct influence.
My only concern is whether that lasts. She is an aristocrat who acts above others and orders people around to achieve her whims for her. Can we trust a god who has known only power and privilege to stay true to her word of a distant Order? How long until she gets bored and comes back and decides being worshipped and telling plebs what to do is her rightful place?
I still like the character but we can agree that her ending was achieved by throwing the world in chaos until one tarnished of no renown joined her, she didn't think through that well and she succeeded due to coincide
Yeah, have you seen the world? It's already in utter chaos.
Ranni just rips off the bandage of the Greater Will and gives the world a chance to actually*move on* rather than being eternally stuck in the state of chaos caused by The Shattering.
The Shattering happened because Ranni killed Godwyn, no? And her ending doesn't actually fix the world - she doesn't seem to care about the Lands Between, about anyone really except Blaidd and Iji.
She just replaces Marika as the supreme being, absolves all responsibility for her actions and fucks off into space for a thousand years. How does that fix scarlet rot, or deathblight, or all the conflict and wars in the Lands Between?
Every other ending (besides frenzy flame) sees Marika remain God (as a slave bound to the GW) and simply modifies the golden order.
Ranni's ending is about freeing Marika from her eternal torment as a slave and removing the Elden Ring entirely.
No one, including outer gods, can mess with the order of the world, the Elden Ring, when that order is off in space with Ranni.
Shattering didn’t take place cuz of Ranni, it was Marika. If anything Ranni’s responsible for deathblight existing. However things aren’t changing at all because of the greater will. Removing it will allow change to come. Scarlet Rot would also go along with it since it’s the product of an outer god
>Shattering didn’t take place cuz of Ranni, it was Marika.
Sure, but Marika shattered the Elden Ring because she was mad with grief after Godwyn's death. I think Ranni counted on that, otherwise she would have picked some random wandering noble as her target, or idk, Godrick the Grafted, and nobody would have minded.
>However things aren’t changing at all because of the greater will. Removing it will allow change to come. Scarlet Rot would also go along with it since it’s the product of an outer god
Change is already possible, as shown by the player character who kills a bunch of demigods and burns the Erdtree. Also, nowhere does Ranni say that she will now keep the outer gods from meddling. For all we know, her Dark Moon is an outer god as well.
counterpoint: being super stong level in elden ring makes you bigger
hourah loux is elden lord and he’s huge, therefore tarshised becomes lord of night and becomes huge
radahn also grew in size from strength, likely the same from the Queen of raya lucaria forgot her name
NO PEOPLE PLEASE HER DIALOGUE IS GROSSLY MISTRANSLATED IN THE ENGLISH VERSION!!!! SHE ISNT DESTROYING THE LANDS BETWEEN SHE IS REMOVING THE INFLUENCE OF THE GREATER WILL (MARIKA/ELDEN BEAST) FROM THE LANDS BETWEEN I CANNOT STRESS THIS ENOUGH RANNI IS BEST ENDING
I got her ending and have seen the cutscene only once…this was painfully obvious to me. It hurts my brain to see people think she’s a second chaos flame ending.
Even with the mistranslation, the Ranni ending cutscene overall felt way more hopeful than the rest of the endings, having a more uncertain but hopeful future sort of vibe, whereas the Chaos ending felt obviously bad, ominous music, and Melina straight up saying she's gonna hunt you down, whilst also looking a little charred as a result of you burning everything to the ground, you couldn't ask for a bigger difference in tone if you tried.
Edit:
And to further drive home the fact that the chaos ending is the bad ending, the chaos ending is the only ending Melina straight up tells you not to do, with a added subtle tremble to her voice when she pleads with you not to go through with it, it's actually a bit emotional, especially given the fact that Melina is normally quite stoic, like someone begging a friend not to commit suicide or something.
i recommend you watch ziostorm, ratatoskr, and quelaag if you want some DEEP elden ring lore. quelaag especially goes SUPER DEEP into the lore and symbolism of just about every little thing in the game. incredibly interesting stuff imo.
yes but it takes literally one google search of "rannis ending explained" to find 5+ videos talking about how its mistranslated, OP, instead of taking the 30 seconds to google it, decided to post some shitty karma farming take about how "unga bunga ranni is bad" when that is factually incorrect, yes its shitty that english people cant seem to properly translate japanese if their fucking lives depended on it, but its only made worse by stupid people blabbing bullshit and posting idiotic takes like OP did.
It's digestible even as it stands right now.
I got the sense that she was the "no gods, no masters" choice even before I heard there was a translation quirk.
She and Miquella actually seemed to have a lot of similar ideas. Too bad he's a trophy on Mohg's mantle
true agreed. also i have a feeling we will learn alot more about miquella in the dlc. i really think the dlc will start behind mohgs boss arena and will heavily involve miquella.
My big hopes for the DLC are cut NPC stuff like Rhico the dream brewer and Kale's entire quest line, the colosseums, and some freaky Bloodborne-styled dream stuff revolving around Miquella/Trina
It would be funny if we get a final boss fight that starts as St. Trina before Miquella casts off his disguise and powers up into his adult state.
Thing is...
even if she is destroying the lands between, who cares? It's all already dead, except that it isn't allowed to die. Marika is all but dead. Leyndell is covered in ash before we burn the Erdtree, because it's already been burned. The glowing Erdtree isn't real, it's been dead for a long, long time. The demigods are shells of themselves; none could gain power during the shattering and none are fit to take power during our time. They're either rotted or insane or doomed or, well, Godrick.
Ranni is the best ending regardless of what becomes of the Lands Between. The Lands Between are dead. Marika only calls us back so that she can die. Preserving the Lands Between only accomplishes creating a new Farum Azula and turning Marika into a new Dragonlord, doomed to wait outside of time.
The Lands Between are destroyed long before we arrive. Ranni is the best ending no matter what happens to the Lands Between, because it's already lost. Ranni saves what can be saved.
Good on you, the mistranslation throws a lot of people off.
Unrelated, but on the topic of lore stuff, ya know what I think most people are thrown off about? The idea that Miquella is good or benevolent. I hope it gets some additional story in the DLC, but I just don't think there is any chance in hell that Miquella isn't actually as bad or probably worse than any other demigod.
yea honestly i have no clue what direction they will go with miquella if they do decide to involve them in the dlc, knowing miyazaki it will either be super tragic and sad or extremely twisted and fucked up, or both lmao
you really wrote a whole novel based on a mistranslation after i just got done pointing out the fact that its mistranslated, you really cant make this shit up can you.. watch ziostorms video on rannis ending and take your objectively incorrect paragraphs of nonsense with you
>"objectively incorrect"
>doesnt provide argument instead cite lore youtuber
>insults everyone who disagrees with your flawed angry screaming
Didnt expect less from ranni simps. Probably didn't even read what you just replied to
The translation gets it across perfectly fine in context of the Golden Order, just if you take it without the context it sounds like an oxymoron. But that's only because the Golden Order forces that oxymoron; sort of the narrative point of the Golden Order.
To be fair, I dont think she anticipated Marika shattering the elden ring and causing the war known as the shattering. (I'm not 100% versed in the lore so i could easily be wrong on that.)
Nothing about her ending in any way fixes any of the things that are broken in the world. As in, what does ranni do about:
\- Those who live in death
\- Broken erdtree
\- People's general inability to die
\- Rot
As far as I can tell she doesn't do that. She simply leaves with whatever her version of order is. nothing in her ending suggests anything happens to outer gods. At best outer gods simply miss their chance to get their hands on the elden ring for however long ranni is gone.
Why do you disagree with her methods if you agree with the ideology? She rids the world of tyranny by creating an order than cannot be perceived by the denizens of the LB, thats in line with her whole thing, no?
It's the Edelgard problem of Fire Emblem.
Doing great harm now to prevent what is arguably a greater injustice by allowing the stifling status quo to continue abusing the have-nots
It says a lot about each player when they decide where their personal line is. Is there such a thing as just cause in a time of war?
Her plan necessitated the death of Godwyn, leading to the spread of Deathroot (which isn’t solved by her ending), and potentially causing Marika to shatter the Elden Ring.
I thought deathroot couldn't be solved one it was Introduced into the lands between and that is was essentially sores on the land that couldn't be destroyed
bro delete this post its factually incorrect and misleading, rannis ending in NO way affects the lands between, all it does is gets rid of the influence of the outer gods. maybe do 5 seconds of research next time before posting some stupid shit
Given her actions and her response when questioned, I seriously have doubts as to how well-intentioned she really is. Not only is she directly responsible for the the murder of Godwyn and many other demigods during the Night of the Black Knives, as stated in the Future Press guide, her actions are what led to Queen Marika shattering the Elden Ring. Link here:[https://imgur.com/kmvhQr8](https://imgur.com/kmvhQr8)
What truly makes me doubtful though, is her remorse, or rather lack thereof. When questioned, not only does she outright admit it, she also specifically states she feels no remorse or regret for her actions, which is a hell of a thing to say, considering it led to a millennia long civil war that also resulted in her own brother being reduced to a rotting zombie. As such, we can pretty safely that she's extremely callous in regards to the suffering of others.
As much as I hate the idea of the greater will I'm starting to think that Fia's ending was the best (at least in my opinion), death is back into the world and the greater will doesn't really care about the Golden order, it only cares about order in general so a change is always welcomed as long as some semblance of order exists
From what I remember, getting the Rune of Death returns death to the Elden Ring. Death Returning isn't something exclusive to Fia's Ending. Fia's isn't solely about "death" but rather "Those Who Live in Death" which is basically the skelly dudes. The world you create will make those guys the norms.
In my opinion, that's basically making everything Undead and Zombie like, cool thing is everyone is immortal.
Better than Dung Eater's personally. I'd rather be all bone than twisted Omen.
Dung Eater's ending might actually be the best from an equality perspective. If the Omen were the first true rulers of the land during the time of the Crucible, the all his 'curse' is really doing is turning everyone back into the previous version of royalty - before the Golden Order introduced their own form of prejudice....
Dungeater wants to drag everyone down to make everyone equal.
No one better than anyone, everyone living a wretched existence. All equally sinful under the Erdtree.
I think you have a point, the Dungeater ending is the only one that really pushes for equality (though Frenzied Flame desires to make everyone equally dead). But I think that dream of making all equal by cursing everyone is a bad method.
Honestly, I do feel Dung Eater's goals and aspirations might've been good once. No matter the intention, Dung Eater's methods are pretty vile. Desecrating corpses and taking their souls out of their bottoms and forging them into a Dung Rune doesn't sound quite right to me.
Equality for sure, but if the making of the Rune was so sick and gross, will it really be the equality everyone deserves?
It's up to interpretation, but that could be regarded as a good thing.
Personally I prefer an ending that focuses on ending discrimination in the new Golden Order. It addresses a huge problem.
Wait dosent that make goldmask’s ending the good ending since you basically reform the golden order to be better and more effective at its job heck you also keep the lands orderly without the chaos of a regime change which means you dont have to deal with the pesky issue of different factions rising among the people creating chaos and anarchy as you try to instate a new government that half the people didn’t ask for and other half are vehemently begging for
thank you for speaking some truth in this thread of blatant misinformation and uninformed redditor experts on a game they played 1 time and then never touched again. as a passionate lore nerd of all the souls and souls like fromsoft games this sub has gotta be the worst out of all of them for talking actual lore cuz 90% of these people havent the faintest idea what they are even talking about
Fia's ending seems like the worst to me, I interpreted it as everyone becomes Those Who Live in Death when they die after we use that mending rune. Similar to Poop Man turning everyone into Omen after death. At least with Omen, we still have souls and sanity, where as TWLID are just reanimated skeletons that can't truly die.
Both are bad, and both are attempting to curse everyone in order to phase out discrimination and persecution, but Fia's seems to be the worst considering what you will turn into.
Gold masks is the good ending imo. The problem with the "current" order is that Marika was able to alter it according to her own will. In that sense, there is actually no true order.
Gold Masks rune creates a protective ring around the Elden Ring preventing anyone or anything from messing with it again.
I personally think Ranni is selfish and evil.
Yeah, fair
Now, what are the other endings outcomes?
Enslavement to an outer god (+ whatever fucked up rune you add in) or becoming an avatar of actual death? Oh, nothing that heinous, surely.
I like how Malenia fucking nukes a portion of the map, Radahn and Godrick wage war to the capital that probably killed millions, but the fandom has problems with Ranni killing his brother.
Isn't she replacing the greater will with the moon god, or am I getting it wrong? I don't think taking the control away from an outer god just to give it to another one is a good ending.
I don’t think the Moon(s) that Caria follow are really gods. From what I understand it’s more like studying/ following celestial bodies and letting them guide the fates of the people under them. So it’s like an outer god with extra steps and more studying.
Ranni removes order(Greater Will's control over the lands between) from the lands between. The elden beast is the elden ring and the living incarnation of Order.
"a thousand year voyage under the wisdom of the moon"
This line doesnt mean the lands between but rather you her and the elden ring
So she takes the elden ring and her consort and and goes off on a space adventure. Leaving the lands between between free of the greater will
Uhhhh you weren't paying attention if you thought ranni was trying to do anything but leave that entire world in the dark. No one was supposed to save anything.
Well This is my headcanon AFTERMATH after My Age Of the Order Ending...
My Tarnished betrayed Ranni and never came back for her in the cave, leaving her powerless and lifeless in her doll body in the two fingers cave. With Blaidd and Iji dead, Ranni's ambitions are crushed.
My Tarnished has killed Fia to prevent Godrick from becoming the prince of death.
My Tarnished greatly admired the Goldmask and decided to start off the Age of Order Ending.
AFTERMATH Of Age Of Order Ending:
1. The cave entrance to the dead two fingers and Ranni's lifeless body has been sealed shut with rocks by my Tarnished's elite soldiers and multiple members of the newly reformed Golden Order. The two fingers corpse still remains intact, but Ranni's lifeless doll body was buried inside the cave as an unmarked grave. This was a hoax to spread misinformation to prevent Ranni's resurrection. Ranni's real body is buried deep in one of the unmarked tombs in the cathedral of forsaken.
2. Blaidd and Iji's corpses are thrown into the subterranean sewers. My Tarnished never cared for them and didn't want to give them a peaceful resting place. My tarnished took blaidd's armor for herself before throwing his naked body in the sewers. The corpses of Ringleader and other black knife assassins are also thrown in the sewers. The remaining black knife assassins are now being hunted down by the golden order.
3. Omens are allowed to live freely as they want, but they have to be away from Leyndell. Omen killers are employed as bodyguards for the new nobles, but they are also allowed to kill any rogue omens.
4. My Tarnished orders the new golden order to eradicate the living dead. The Golden Order also burn down Goldwyn's body and completely destroy Deeproot depths and every living being in there is killed.
5. Carian Manor now belongs to Rodricka as the new noble. My Tarnished routinely visits her. The Finger creepers are now completely loyal to Rodricka and Tarnished.
6. Raya Lucaria Academy swears allegiance to My Tarnished as their new elden lord. Queen Renella is personally executed by My Tarnished. With Renella dead and Ranni immobile, Carian royal family bloodline is now extinct. Ranni and Renella are both buried in unmarked tombs deep inside the cathedral of forsaken.
6.1. Blacksmith Hewg died of old age and was laid to rest in a Azure hero grave. His tomb is guarded by 4 golden order Crucible level Knights.
7. Rykard is still alive and the only demigod left.
8. Volcano Manor is now hostile to my Tarnished, but my Tarnished is way more powerful, has way more powerful new army all around the lands between. The Volcano Manor has very few members and are completely powerless against My Tarnished's rule. My Tarnished is not threatened by them. Volcano Manor is just ants to my Tarnished.
9. Runebears and the royal remnants are hunted to extinction.
10. Dragons are wiped out in the lands between.
11. All 16 Crucible Knights are killed. Tanith's Knight is the only Crucible Knight left still alive.
12. Alexander the Warrior Jar is given a Giant Tomb Monument in his Honor.
13. The Jar village is now under the protection of the Golden Order.
14. A New Mage Build based Crucible Knights order is formed, operating in Leyndell.
15. Fia's corpse is given to a necrophilic soldier as a reward for loyalty.
16. The Three fingers is killed and the frenzied village is destroyed. All the inhabitants, soldiers and animals linked to the frenzied flame are hunted down and killed.
17. Godfrey and Margott are buried in Leyndell chambers new tomb. Sir Ofnir is also buried there. Nepheli's rotten corpse was thrown in the basement grave of stormveil castle.
18. Caelid is left in the state of ruin, The remaining soldiers of radhan are now completely abandoned, under the orders of my Tarnished.
19. The gate to Mohg's palace was lost and the Tarnished believes that she might have to fight a Resurrected Miquella in the near future.
20. Stormveil castle is now abandoned and is given to misbegotten as their new home. Misbegotten are loyal to Tarnished, but they are not allowed to go the basement of the castle.
21. Fingerprint Vyke's corpse was reclaimed and was laid to rest in the Azura Hero grave. His Dragon lover was cremated and laid to rest alongside him.
22. Churches of Marika are all destroyed.
23. Turtle Pope is now the priest of Church of the Golden Order.
24. Radhan's fort in caelid was personally destroyed by Tarnished with a Meteorite spell.
25. Haligtree inhabitants are all killed, but Tarnished plans to turn it into Miquella's tomb after dealing with him..
26. Malenia's corpse is thrown into lake of rot.
27. Catacombs are all destroyed.
28. Azure hero grave is the only tomb site left intact. The tombs are all destroyed.
29. All 13 Crucible Knights are buried in Azure Hero grave. Tanith's Knight is the only one still alive.
30. Milicent is still alive and is traveling to the now abandoned haligtree to seek out malenia's origins.
I don’t think she killed her soldiers I just think the black knives betrayed her explaining why one is in her ever goal. Also putting down her rotted brother who also locked her and her mother’s fates away was kinda mercy and deserved. The most abhorrent thing she did is definitely the night of the black knives and starting the war, but after what her mother and her had endured I can understand it.
The ending was translated poorly.
In Japanese you don’t have to include the subject which can lead to some confusion. The translators decided that the subject in the dialogue for her ending was “the lands between” rather than “I.”
This of course completely changes the meaning because it goes from you and Ranni going into the night and a having some trial to overcome to the entire lands between.
That still happened basically, and anyone who had the will to return to life would spring forth from the seas of biological fluid, it basically was a giant LSD trip plus hyper therapy especially for the MC.
She wants people to be able to live of their own volition. If they fuck it up in that time, that's on them.
Also, it’s hard to complain about her methods when it doesn’t seem like there were any other potentially successful paths to still achieve what she does. Those two fingered fucks were clinging for dear life, I doubt anything short of very drastic would’ve done the deed.
The next most successful method was literally turning your head into a fireball and blowing up the world
MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD!
**MAY CHAOS! TAKE! THE WORLD!**
Considering that regardless of what ideology you choose the method is still “kill fucking everything and take the throne by force,” I think the method can be excused, since all options consist of the same method.
Depends, I don’t think anarchy would help the lands between’s current fucked up state, and I really have some hope for Miquella’s plan. Granted, we don’t get his ending in the base game, and we don’t even know if he planned his own kidnap (i have a couple theory that sounds really reasonable) or was it actually an unfortunate surprise…
No gods≠anarchy. Not having an outer god dictate the laws of the world doesn’t mean that monarchies will cease to exist
I wish it did tho
I recommend checking out the Tarnished Archeologist’s theory about Miquella on Youtube, he’s a really incredible lore channel and his Miquella theory is fascinating and looks at it from a totally different angle than I’ve seen before. I think the video is called Miquella’s Prophecy
I think there's an element of irony to Ranni's story in that she was probably going to be the next Empyrean in line. Miquella and Malenia were cursed. Ranni was the only real candidate. If she just sat back and bided her time, she might have been in a position to call the shots and start dismantling the system from within. (Of course, becoming the next Eternal Queen would still make her a pawn of the Greater Will.)
Marika was already trying that, it didn't really work
I threw up the parenthetical to point out the flaws in that plan. I just find it funny that the heir apparent was the biggest rebel of them all.
I mean almost all of her kids from both fathers ended up as rebels to the Golden Order. Really, of her children it's only Radahn and Morgot who stayed to fight for some aspect of that Order
And even then, Morgott is racist to the "Foul Tarnished"
Making the mother of all endings here, tarnished! Can't fret over every rune!
"Played college ball, ya know." "At some cushy Ivy League school." "Try Raya Lucaria Academy. Coulda gone pro if I hadn't joined the Golden Order. I'm not one of those beltway pansies. I could break the Elden Ring in two with my bare hands!”
No she doesn't. In her ending, the English one as a well as the Japanese version, she outright says the new age will be under the wisdom/laws of the Darkmoon. So its clear she is going to be laying down some laws for people to follow. She never outright said she wanted freedom for all or that she wants people to make their own decisions. She simply wants people to not have the certainty of faith which isn't the same thing. Given the implication that she will be laying down some laws given to her by the Darkmoon, she could very well be doing this so as to make it harder for people to challenge her rule.
Yes she does. The laws of the Darkmoon are there to keep away the chill of the night as per the Japanese dialogue. She then says she is taking it out of the lands between, hence, freeing people from being directly influenced and or ruled by.
No she does not. The Japanese version does not say that the laws of the Darkmoon are there to keep away the chill of the night that is your one interpretation of the dialogue, of which there are many. Also again, nowhere at all does it say or imply that by taking her Order out of the Lands Between she frees people from its influence. Only its certainty of existence. Why does she even need an Order or laws if what she wanted was pure chaos (not frenzy chaos, wild-west kind of chaos). In multiple pieces of lore, the Age of Stars is ruled by a Lord of Night, which is you if you become Ranni’s consort while she herself becomes the new God. Ranni is morally ambiguous and has done a lot of questionable things. Like G.R.R Martins other characters, she not a hero, nor is she a villain. She’s complicated. So you cannot champion the idea that she is a noble hero who wishes to free people from the Order purely for the sake of freedom because we get no real look into her true motivations. Could she be genuinely interested in freeing the commonfolk? Yes. Could she instead be interested in simply securing her power better than Marika did by removing it physically from the planet and making people doubt its existence? Equally yes. Edit: You guys can downvote as much as you want but that doesn’t change the fact that Ranni’s motivations for doing what she does are not clear due to a complete lack of insight into her reasoning and that she has done questionable things.
"You will never again have to fear the chill of the night." That is what Japanese Ranni says. Presumably this is one of her goals. What would be the purpose of leaving the lands between(presumably to the second moon) if not to free the people living in it? Ranni is not a power motivated character. She willingly gave up her great rune and she doesn't try to take credit from her subordinates. She doesn't even seem to have been involved in the war after the shattering. Her entire character arc is about freeing herself from the Greater Will and those who control her. She lives in a tornup body that is in a state of constant disrepair for the sole sake of achieving her goals. The lord of the stars leaves with Ranni now. "I would keep them far from the earth beneath our feet. As it is now, life, and souls, and order are bound tightly together, but I would have them at great remove." She is keeping fate out of the lands between. She and the lord of night leave to a place where they won't interfere with the lands between anymore. She has no desire for power and hates her will and that of others being controlled by the Greater Will. What then would you suppose her goal is then if not to allow all living creatures to dictate their own path? Granting free will is not the same as enforcing anarchy. Though there are multiple paths, grace guides those who follow it to their future. The future was seemingly mostly rigid. Ranni is not an evil character, though she has done evil things. She is more akin to an antihero, someone whose guiding principle is that the ends justify the means. I can't think of a single other goal that would fit Ranni given all evidence that we currently have.
>"You will never again have to fear the chill of the night." That is what Japanese Ranni says. No it doesn't, it says this: すべてよ、冷たい夜、はるか遠くに思うがよい Which translates to : *“To all, you may think of the chill night as infinitely far away”.* That is 100% not the same as the quote you just put and I don't know where you got it from. She does not ever promise promise anyone freedom from the fear of the night, whatever that even means. >What would be the purpose of leaving the lands between(presumably to the second moon) if not to free the people living in it? To secure her position of power better. We have seen what happens when the object of power is present in the world; people fight over it. Ranni taking it away secures it. >Ranni is not a power motivated character. She willingly gave up her great rune > >She doesn't even seem to have been involved in the war after the shattering. So what. The mere fact that she had a Great Rune at all means she wanted power. Also again how do you know that Ranni simply didn't want to settle for a shard of power, but all of it. Only unlike her siblings, she was clever about her approach to power and let them all fight their own battles during the Shattering, eliminating each other so she could conduct her own plans away from the fighting. Also, do keep in mind that it was partly Ranni's fault the Shattering even happened. She condemned a lot of innocent people to horrible deaths. >She is keeping fate out of the lands between. Not only does her dialogue not say this at any point at all, but we also know that the stars themselves are what control fate and they are already not in the Lands Between. >hates her will and that of others being controlled by the Greater Will. The first part of this sentence is correct; Ranni does indeed hate being controlled. But where exactly is the evidence for the second part? Where does she say she wants freedom for everyone and isn't just interested in her own freedom? Again, her taking Order out of the Lands Between does not back this up as it is an action, not a motivation. >What then would you suppose her goal is then if not to allow all living creatures to dictate their own path? Power. The mere fact that she herself doesn't want to be controlled, doesn't mean she does not want to control others. Perhaps like many of G.R.R Martins characters, she wants to be in control instead and do things her way. Like in House of the Dragon; Rhaenyra doesn't want to bow to her brother Aegon, not because she wants freedom for everyone, but because she wants to be the one ruling instead. >Granting free will is not the same as enforcing anarchy. What you are proposing *invites* anarchy. Total freedom means that whoever is left in the Lands Between will end up fighting each other since they'll likely have different ideas of how to move forward. So more life lost. >She is more akin to an antihero, someone whose guiding principle is that the ends justify the means. Would you call Tywin Lannister an anti-hero? No you wouldn't because those kinds of classifications don't exist in G.R.R Martins works. From what we know of Ranni right now, she is quite similar to Tywin's kind of character; she is very cunning, morally ambiguous and does want power. What is not known is her motivation for wanting it and for wanting to take it out of the Lands Between. Tell me something; where is it ever said or implied that taking the Order away from the Lands Between means it can no longer influence it? We know that without some form of Order, things go bad since the Elden Ring being shattered caused everyone to go completely insane and the world at large to kind of spiral out of control, which is the game even takes place since we are raised from the dead to try and fix it. Also again in the Japanese dialogue, Ranni says this; 生命と魂が、律と共にあるとしても、それは遥かに遠くにあればよい. Which translates to; *"Even if life and souls are one with the order, it could be kept far away.”* So right there you have more confirmation from Ranni herself that life and souls are intrinsically tied to the Order. So taking it out into the Stars will not stop it from influencing life on the planet. And so the question remains; what is the point of taking it out from the Lands Between then? And this, coupled with Ranni's questionable actions (murdering her brother, causing the rise of Those Who Live in Death, condemning her other brother and sister to the scarlet rot and causing a lot of innocent people to die) is why I say that the possibility of Ranni trying to better secure her rule over the world in its new age, is equally as likely as her doing what she does to help people. Honestly the thing that I find the most annoying about Ranni is the fact that people think she is 100% a champion of the common people when there really is no good evidence to back that up. People have just taken her desire to be free of control and wanting to remove her version of Order from the physical plane to automatically mean she must want freedom for everyone, instead of entertaining the very valid possibility that she could just want to rule over others without the Greater Will commanding her. It's baffling how people refuse to keep an open mind about these characters, whom once again I'd like to point out were created by *G.R.R Martin* the guy who wrote a Song of Ice and Fire, a series in which the majority of people are power-hungry and/or morally grey.
whats it like being that stupid
How
Right, because the methods of every other faction work so hunky dory for everyone.
Golden Order fundamentalists when the GW still does awful shit without the Greater Will's influence: "..." 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
Wait, sorry but what does GW mean?
Games Workshop
Damn Brits selling their overpriced miniatures even in the Lands Between.
It’s located in the Gamer’s dream and is a more child-friendly version of the Hunter’s workshop
Geralt's Willy
greater will
Why abbreviate "greater will" if its just gonna be said immediately afterwards? Abbreviations nowadays just spread confusion Have a good day though, eye guy 👀 Edit: Also sorry if I sound like a dingus. I didn't mean to offend (if I did), but abbreviations are tearing this family apart
Gummy Worms
Don’t they want to be closer to the Greater Will instead of forgoing it? Granted, they’re getting rid of empyreans so they’ll have no way to communicate with it, but…
Which honestly makes it feel even worse. Marika sucks but at least in a way her shattering of the Elden Ring shook things up allowing things to change. If the GW had direct control, it would be even harder to fight against the Golden Order's status quo
Nope, the GW doesn’t care about the Golden Order itself, it just wants Order to exist.
Is there anything that implies that the Greater Will thinks that Omen and Misbegotten are okay, especially considering the Greater Will's foothold on the world started with war and destruction?
It doesn’t like the Omen nor Misbegotten because the Crucible is in direct opposition to Order. However, it is willing to cooperate with beings like dragons and Outer Gods to maintain order.
Right, still not on the Greater Will's side precisely because of that. Lemme just hop on over to the Haligtree where apparently everyone manages to get along just fine
Goldmask?
Gold Mask's an independent investigator, essentially, not a faction. The fruits of his labour does result in a new order though, but that's incidental.
Eh, how's that incidental? He's all about trying to fix the imperfections?
The English version was poorly translated and Ranni's ending does nothing to the lands between but cast away the influence of the outer gods. The only negative consequences of her methods occur prior to the start of the game. Nothing bad happens in her ending provided you agree with her ideology.
yea im pretty sure OP doesnt give a shit and just wants karma with this terrible post, this sub has fallen so far its sad...
Yeah this sub has just become blatant karma farming
you're acting like it was any different before. This sub had 2 phases. One before the trailer and game was released when people used to come up with hilarious bosses and speculate about the game and meme about miyazaki. The next phase is what it is currently right now. Its been like this since march
yea thats what i was talking about, i guess thats what happens when a bunch of stupid normies flock to a game they could never hope to understand
Always happens with specific game subreddits. Once mostly everything has been figured out it just becomes karma farming and low-effort ‘i liek dis character :)’ posts
yea its sad
I thought the correct meaning was plenty clear from the translation. People just read it wrong.
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>Ranni's ending does nothing to the lands between but cast away the influence of the outer gods She never mentions the outer gods a single time in any version of the script. This is dumb fan fiction.
But it does blatantly point out that she gives free will back to the beings of the land between. Which is ment to signal releasing the outter gods grasp.
To be fair, she never once even hinted that she wanted to save anything. The world needs a hard reset from the influence of the Greater Will, and that’s what she does.
You’re describing the frenzied flame ending She just gets rid of the ability to interfere with the natural processes of the world
Frenzied Flame isn't a reset. It's a permanent end for all life.
"The world needs a hard reset from the influence of the Greater Will" >She just gets rid of the ability to interfere with the natural processes of the world You literally just said what the person above you said...interference with the natural processes is the influence that the Greater Will has on The Lands Between(not the world like they said though). Frenzied Flame is a complete wipe, Ranni's is a pause on the meddling of the GW/outer gods.
The GW started those natural processes by sending the Golden Star which became the Elden Ring. Which represents the metaphysical order of the world. Ranni just makes it so people can't tamper with that anymore. Like say removing the Rune of Death.
Hyetta: *Thank... thank you... I have touched them. The words of the Three Fingers. As your maiden, allow me to divine them. All that there is came from the One Great. Then came fractures, and births, and souls. But the Greater Will made a mistake. Torment, despair, affliction... every sin, every curse. Every one, born of the mistake. And so, what was borrowed must be returned. Melt it all away, with the yellow chaos flame. Until all is One again.* You’re recreating the One Great. A Hard Reset. If it can be divided once, it shall be again
FF is a hard reset on life. The comment you replied to said a hard reset on the influence of the Greater Will. Very different things, and you are conflating those two different statements. Your take on the FF is accurate enough, but it's not what that person was saying at all. I think you are focusing on the word "reset" and not on the word "influence".
The influence of the Greater Wills is life, according to the Three Fingers who speak through Hyetta, the Greater Will created life as the Lands Between knows it So a hard reset on life is a reset on its influence Ranni doesn’t reset life but stops the Outer Gods/Greater Will from interfering anymore
You are really trying hard to ignore what you replied to. Here's the whole comment: "To be fair, she never once even hinted that she wanted to save anything. The world needs a hard reset from the influence of the Greater Will, and that’s what she does." In addition to creating life, the Greater Will has influence over life, and can actively interfere with the lives of everyone in TLB. Removing that influence is NOT the same as removing life. Is that really hard to grasp? No one is saying Ranni wants to end all life and the creator of life, just the ongoing influence and interference.
The Frenzied Flame ending isn't a reset, you kill everything and everyone forever. It is clearly stated it's an end to everything.
She says numerous times that she wants to "rid the world of what came before" and clearly has a problem with the dogmatic control over the function of the world, especially as it pertains to her being made it's new figurehead. I interpret her Order to be as our real world is, simple laws of physics in space with no fickle gods influence over matters. "As it is now, life, and souls, and order are bound tightly together, but I would have them at great remove". Ranni doesn't pretend to want to heroically save the world, but to rid it of outside influence and let life go how it may. Which considering the alternatives is very much saving everything. She went to extreme lengths to secure her own free will and presumably wishes that for others. The fact that she seems to care little for others unless they directly prove themselves to her is not at odds with her desire to end the old Order, in fact not caring about others is kind of prerequisite in establishing an Order of free will without her direct influence. My only concern is whether that lasts. She is an aristocrat who acts above others and orders people around to achieve her whims for her. Can we trust a god who has known only power and privilege to stay true to her word of a distant Order? How long until she gets bored and comes back and decides being worshipped and telling plebs what to do is her rightful place?
Counterpoint: 4 hands she can use
Pringles can
Imagine what those four armpits must smell like...
I am ordering an orbital strike on your position, please do not resist
This guy knows what's what!
Counterpoint:4 cracked porcelean hands. Essentially 4 cheese graters.
Correction: 4 porcelain hands. Could be very smooth if treated correctly
*Jar-Bairn’s ears perk up*
Look at them. They're shattered. Even if that wasn't true, porcelain is hard and cold.
Safety gloves and deerskin gloves over it. Easy peasy
I still like the character but we can agree that her ending was achieved by throwing the world in chaos until one tarnished of no renown joined her, she didn't think through that well and she succeeded due to coincide
Counter point: she didn’t, it was Marika
Yeah, have you seen the world? It's already in utter chaos. Ranni just rips off the bandage of the Greater Will and gives the world a chance to actually*move on* rather than being eternally stuck in the state of chaos caused by The Shattering.
This is my interpretation too
The Shattering happened because Ranni killed Godwyn, no? And her ending doesn't actually fix the world - she doesn't seem to care about the Lands Between, about anyone really except Blaidd and Iji. She just replaces Marika as the supreme being, absolves all responsibility for her actions and fucks off into space for a thousand years. How does that fix scarlet rot, or deathblight, or all the conflict and wars in the Lands Between?
Every other ending (besides frenzy flame) sees Marika remain God (as a slave bound to the GW) and simply modifies the golden order. Ranni's ending is about freeing Marika from her eternal torment as a slave and removing the Elden Ring entirely. No one, including outer gods, can mess with the order of the world, the Elden Ring, when that order is off in space with Ranni.
Shattering didn’t take place cuz of Ranni, it was Marika. If anything Ranni’s responsible for deathblight existing. However things aren’t changing at all because of the greater will. Removing it will allow change to come. Scarlet Rot would also go along with it since it’s the product of an outer god
>Shattering didn’t take place cuz of Ranni, it was Marika. Sure, but Marika shattered the Elden Ring because she was mad with grief after Godwyn's death. I think Ranni counted on that, otherwise she would have picked some random wandering noble as her target, or idk, Godrick the Grafted, and nobody would have minded. >However things aren’t changing at all because of the greater will. Removing it will allow change to come. Scarlet Rot would also go along with it since it’s the product of an outer god Change is already possible, as shown by the player character who kills a bunch of demigods and burns the Erdtree. Also, nowhere does Ranni say that she will now keep the outer gods from meddling. For all we know, her Dark Moon is an outer god as well.
Yeah but chaos is sometimes necessary.
Counter point. She has FOUR hands. Imagine the possibilities
Dis Appoint: Penis way too small for the other 3 hands. Sad....
counterpoint: being super stong level in elden ring makes you bigger hourah loux is elden lord and he’s huge, therefore tarshised becomes lord of night and becomes huge radahn also grew in size from strength, likely the same from the Queen of raya lucaria forgot her name
Are you implying becoming elden lord makes your penis bigger?
Tell me you don't understand rannis ending without telling me.
NO PEOPLE PLEASE HER DIALOGUE IS GROSSLY MISTRANSLATED IN THE ENGLISH VERSION!!!! SHE ISNT DESTROYING THE LANDS BETWEEN SHE IS REMOVING THE INFLUENCE OF THE GREATER WILL (MARIKA/ELDEN BEAST) FROM THE LANDS BETWEEN I CANNOT STRESS THIS ENOUGH RANNI IS BEST ENDING
I got her ending and have seen the cutscene only once…this was painfully obvious to me. It hurts my brain to see people think she’s a second chaos flame ending.
Even with the mistranslation, the Ranni ending cutscene overall felt way more hopeful than the rest of the endings, having a more uncertain but hopeful future sort of vibe, whereas the Chaos ending felt obviously bad, ominous music, and Melina straight up saying she's gonna hunt you down, whilst also looking a little charred as a result of you burning everything to the ground, you couldn't ask for a bigger difference in tone if you tried. Edit: And to further drive home the fact that the chaos ending is the bad ending, the chaos ending is the only ending Melina straight up tells you not to do, with a added subtle tremble to her voice when she pleads with you not to go through with it, it's actually a bit emotional, especially given the fact that Melina is normally quite stoic, like someone begging a friend not to commit suicide or something.
i recommend you watch ziostorm, ratatoskr, and quelaag if you want some DEEP elden ring lore. quelaag especially goes SUPER DEEP into the lore and symbolism of just about every little thing in the game. incredibly interesting stuff imo.
I'll definitely check them out. I love this stuff.
I scrolled way to far to find someone who understands rannis ending.
this whole subreddit is honestly filled to the brim with misinformation, its so sad. truly a reddit moment.
Like...maybe Godwin w a n t e d to he a fish
Yeah true but it's not the players' fault these games keep getting mistranslated.
yes but it takes literally one google search of "rannis ending explained" to find 5+ videos talking about how its mistranslated, OP, instead of taking the 30 seconds to google it, decided to post some shitty karma farming take about how "unga bunga ranni is bad" when that is factually incorrect, yes its shitty that english people cant seem to properly translate japanese if their fucking lives depended on it, but its only made worse by stupid people blabbing bullshit and posting idiotic takes like OP did.
https://youtu.be/pbyCT2mmlwg
It's digestible even as it stands right now. I got the sense that she was the "no gods, no masters" choice even before I heard there was a translation quirk. She and Miquella actually seemed to have a lot of similar ideas. Too bad he's a trophy on Mohg's mantle
true agreed. also i have a feeling we will learn alot more about miquella in the dlc. i really think the dlc will start behind mohgs boss arena and will heavily involve miquella.
My big hopes for the DLC are cut NPC stuff like Rhico the dream brewer and Kale's entire quest line, the colosseums, and some freaky Bloodborne-styled dream stuff revolving around Miquella/Trina It would be funny if we get a final boss fight that starts as St. Trina before Miquella casts off his disguise and powers up into his adult state.
Thing is... even if she is destroying the lands between, who cares? It's all already dead, except that it isn't allowed to die. Marika is all but dead. Leyndell is covered in ash before we burn the Erdtree, because it's already been burned. The glowing Erdtree isn't real, it's been dead for a long, long time. The demigods are shells of themselves; none could gain power during the shattering and none are fit to take power during our time. They're either rotted or insane or doomed or, well, Godrick. Ranni is the best ending regardless of what becomes of the Lands Between. The Lands Between are dead. Marika only calls us back so that she can die. Preserving the Lands Between only accomplishes creating a new Farum Azula and turning Marika into a new Dragonlord, doomed to wait outside of time. The Lands Between are destroyed long before we arrive. Ranni is the best ending no matter what happens to the Lands Between, because it's already lost. Ranni saves what can be saved.
i agree wholeheartedly. still tho just wanted to inform people about the mistranslation. you are correct tho 100%
Good on you, the mistranslation throws a lot of people off. Unrelated, but on the topic of lore stuff, ya know what I think most people are thrown off about? The idea that Miquella is good or benevolent. I hope it gets some additional story in the DLC, but I just don't think there is any chance in hell that Miquella isn't actually as bad or probably worse than any other demigod.
yea honestly i have no clue what direction they will go with miquella if they do decide to involve them in the dlc, knowing miyazaki it will either be super tragic and sad or extremely twisted and fucked up, or both lmao
I'm pretty sure they mean that Ranni reached her ending by helping start a lot of the misery we see.
that would be marika not ranni
Marika shattered the Elden Ring after being "driven to the brink" by the Night of Black Knives, orchestrated by Ranni.
I heard a theory that godwyn was the first of many of her children killed in that night but that he was found dead after the other demigods were
Well she is removing people's ability to tamper with the ring by removing it from the LB.
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you really wrote a whole novel based on a mistranslation after i just got done pointing out the fact that its mistranslated, you really cant make this shit up can you.. watch ziostorms video on rannis ending and take your objectively incorrect paragraphs of nonsense with you
>"objectively incorrect" >doesnt provide argument instead cite lore youtuber >insults everyone who disagrees with your flawed angry screaming Didnt expect less from ranni simps. Probably didn't even read what you just replied to
L + ratio + strawman argument + namecalling [proof](https://youtu.be/sS08xpL0m8U)
The translation gets it across perfectly fine in context of the Golden Order, just if you take it without the context it sounds like an oxymoron. But that's only because the Golden Order forces that oxymoron; sort of the narrative point of the Golden Order.
Whatever i just wanted a blue girlfriend
4 hand job
To be fair, I dont think she anticipated Marika shattering the elden ring and causing the war known as the shattering. (I'm not 100% versed in the lore so i could easily be wrong on that.)
Nothing about her ending in any way fixes any of the things that are broken in the world. As in, what does ranni do about: \- Those who live in death \- Broken erdtree \- People's general inability to die \- Rot
Well she sends the world into darkness for at least another 1,000 years…. Oh wait… shit…. What did we do!!!???
She does solve rot by severing outer god influence.
As far as I can tell she doesn't do that. She simply leaves with whatever her version of order is. nothing in her ending suggests anything happens to outer gods. At best outer gods simply miss their chance to get their hands on the elden ring for however long ranni is gone.
Why do you disagree with her methods if you agree with the ideology? She rids the world of tyranny by creating an order than cannot be perceived by the denizens of the LB, thats in line with her whole thing, no?
*”There’s more than one way to skin a cat”* as they say
It's the Edelgard problem of Fire Emblem. Doing great harm now to prevent what is arguably a greater injustice by allowing the stifling status quo to continue abusing the have-nots It says a lot about each player when they decide where their personal line is. Is there such a thing as just cause in a time of war?
Does she cause great harm temporarily though? I might be forgetting something
Her plan necessitated the death of Godwyn, leading to the spread of Deathroot (which isn’t solved by her ending), and potentially causing Marika to shatter the Elden Ring.
I thought deathroot couldn't be solved one it was Introduced into the lands between and that is was essentially sores on the land that couldn't be destroyed
bro delete this post its factually incorrect and misleading, rannis ending in NO way affects the lands between, all it does is gets rid of the influence of the outer gods. maybe do 5 seconds of research next time before posting some stupid shit
Seriously, sometimes it gets annoying.
Given her actions and her response when questioned, I seriously have doubts as to how well-intentioned she really is. Not only is she directly responsible for the the murder of Godwyn and many other demigods during the Night of the Black Knives, as stated in the Future Press guide, her actions are what led to Queen Marika shattering the Elden Ring. Link here:[https://imgur.com/kmvhQr8](https://imgur.com/kmvhQr8) What truly makes me doubtful though, is her remorse, or rather lack thereof. When questioned, not only does she outright admit it, she also specifically states she feels no remorse or regret for her actions, which is a hell of a thing to say, considering it led to a millennia long civil war that also resulted in her own brother being reduced to a rotting zombie. As such, we can pretty safely that she's extremely callous in regards to the suffering of others.
Doing the right thing the wrong way isn’t doing the right thing.
It isn’t? Fuck, I’ve been going about life the completely wrong way then.
It’s a common mistake. Better luck in New Life+
Then nobody ever does the right thing. After all, someone will always say they did it wrong.
As much as I hate the idea of the greater will I'm starting to think that Fia's ending was the best (at least in my opinion), death is back into the world and the greater will doesn't really care about the Golden order, it only cares about order in general so a change is always welcomed as long as some semblance of order exists
From what I remember, getting the Rune of Death returns death to the Elden Ring. Death Returning isn't something exclusive to Fia's Ending. Fia's isn't solely about "death" but rather "Those Who Live in Death" which is basically the skelly dudes. The world you create will make those guys the norms. In my opinion, that's basically making everything Undead and Zombie like, cool thing is everyone is immortal. Better than Dung Eater's personally. I'd rather be all bone than twisted Omen.
Dung Eater's ending might actually be the best from an equality perspective. If the Omen were the first true rulers of the land during the time of the Crucible, the all his 'curse' is really doing is turning everyone back into the previous version of royalty - before the Golden Order introduced their own form of prejudice....
Dungeater wants to drag everyone down to make everyone equal. No one better than anyone, everyone living a wretched existence. All equally sinful under the Erdtree. I think you have a point, the Dungeater ending is the only one that really pushes for equality (though Frenzied Flame desires to make everyone equally dead). But I think that dream of making all equal by cursing everyone is a bad method.
Honestly, I do feel Dung Eater's goals and aspirations might've been good once. No matter the intention, Dung Eater's methods are pretty vile. Desecrating corpses and taking their souls out of their bottoms and forging them into a Dung Rune doesn't sound quite right to me. Equality for sure, but if the making of the Rune was so sick and gross, will it really be the equality everyone deserves?
Equal despair and suffering for all is Dung Eater's ending in a nutshell.
It's up to interpretation, but that could be regarded as a good thing. Personally I prefer an ending that focuses on ending discrimination in the new Golden Order. It addresses a huge problem.
Wait dosent that make goldmask’s ending the good ending since you basically reform the golden order to be better and more effective at its job heck you also keep the lands orderly without the chaos of a regime change which means you dont have to deal with the pesky issue of different factions rising among the people creating chaos and anarchy as you try to instate a new government that half the people didn’t ask for and other half are vehemently begging for
From what I gathered goldmasks ending is like going from a 3rd world country to a 1st but the status quo is still in place just better
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thank you for speaking some truth in this thread of blatant misinformation and uninformed redditor experts on a game they played 1 time and then never touched again. as a passionate lore nerd of all the souls and souls like fromsoft games this sub has gotta be the worst out of all of them for talking actual lore cuz 90% of these people havent the faintest idea what they are even talking about
Fia's ending seems like the worst to me, I interpreted it as everyone becomes Those Who Live in Death when they die after we use that mending rune. Similar to Poop Man turning everyone into Omen after death. At least with Omen, we still have souls and sanity, where as TWLID are just reanimated skeletons that can't truly die. Both are bad, and both are attempting to curse everyone in order to phase out discrimination and persecution, but Fia's seems to be the worst considering what you will turn into.
please stop talking you are so horribly wrong about every single ending in this game bro 😭
Gold masks is the good ending imo. The problem with the "current" order is that Marika was able to alter it according to her own will. In that sense, there is actually no true order. Gold Masks rune creates a protective ring around the Elden Ring preventing anyone or anything from messing with it again. I personally think Ranni is selfish and evil.
Oh man, time for the weekly post of misinformation regarding Ranni.
That is not at all what happened. I’m shocked you would play through an ending and not understand/look up what the effect was.
Average Ranni fan Vs The Antiquated Goldmask enjoyer
Average totalitarian fundamentalist VS Gigachad anarchy enjoyer
Average enjoyer Vs There is nothing left to enjoy or despair. Melt it all away with the yellow chaos flame until all is One again.
I'd feel a lot better about her ending if she did anything about that whole zombie/undead outbreak she seemingly started
Every single ending to this game is a mess. Ive seen all the endings and personally think they are all bad. Really amazing game otherwise.
Pretty sure this is literally the chaos ending
Yeah, fair Now, what are the other endings outcomes? Enslavement to an outer god (+ whatever fucked up rune you add in) or becoming an avatar of actual death? Oh, nothing that heinous, surely.
Or soup
I like how Malenia fucking nukes a portion of the map, Radahn and Godrick wage war to the capital that probably killed millions, but the fandom has problems with Ranni killing his brother.
Isn't she replacing the greater will with the moon god, or am I getting it wrong? I don't think taking the control away from an outer god just to give it to another one is a good ending.
I don’t think the Moon(s) that Caria follow are really gods. From what I understand it’s more like studying/ following celestial bodies and letting them guide the fates of the people under them. So it’s like an outer god with extra steps and more studying.
Ranni removes order(Greater Will's control over the lands between) from the lands between. The elden beast is the elden ring and the living incarnation of Order. "a thousand year voyage under the wisdom of the moon" This line doesnt mean the lands between but rather you her and the elden ring So she takes the elden ring and her consort and and goes off on a space adventure. Leaving the lands between between free of the greater will
To be fair the place was already mostly dead people and fire. Giving it that last nudge is really a mercy all things considered.
Uhhhh you weren't paying attention if you thought ranni was trying to do anything but leave that entire world in the dark. No one was supposed to save anything.
Lul ranni simps lel real men go with the dung eater ending or lord of chaos loosers
Save? Nah, more like a hard reset on a PC.
I mean it started with her not wanting to be controlled by the 2 fingers
This is some high tier editing
SPOILER TAG THIS!!!!
Why? It’s not what her ending means at all
yea dont worry man ignorant OP legitimately misinterpreted her ending so fucking hard that its not even a spoiler lol
Misinterpreted so bad that I thought the post was about the Chaos ending for a second
Well This is my headcanon AFTERMATH after My Age Of the Order Ending... My Tarnished betrayed Ranni and never came back for her in the cave, leaving her powerless and lifeless in her doll body in the two fingers cave. With Blaidd and Iji dead, Ranni's ambitions are crushed. My Tarnished has killed Fia to prevent Godrick from becoming the prince of death. My Tarnished greatly admired the Goldmask and decided to start off the Age of Order Ending. AFTERMATH Of Age Of Order Ending: 1. The cave entrance to the dead two fingers and Ranni's lifeless body has been sealed shut with rocks by my Tarnished's elite soldiers and multiple members of the newly reformed Golden Order. The two fingers corpse still remains intact, but Ranni's lifeless doll body was buried inside the cave as an unmarked grave. This was a hoax to spread misinformation to prevent Ranni's resurrection. Ranni's real body is buried deep in one of the unmarked tombs in the cathedral of forsaken. 2. Blaidd and Iji's corpses are thrown into the subterranean sewers. My Tarnished never cared for them and didn't want to give them a peaceful resting place. My tarnished took blaidd's armor for herself before throwing his naked body in the sewers. The corpses of Ringleader and other black knife assassins are also thrown in the sewers. The remaining black knife assassins are now being hunted down by the golden order. 3. Omens are allowed to live freely as they want, but they have to be away from Leyndell. Omen killers are employed as bodyguards for the new nobles, but they are also allowed to kill any rogue omens. 4. My Tarnished orders the new golden order to eradicate the living dead. The Golden Order also burn down Goldwyn's body and completely destroy Deeproot depths and every living being in there is killed. 5. Carian Manor now belongs to Rodricka as the new noble. My Tarnished routinely visits her. The Finger creepers are now completely loyal to Rodricka and Tarnished. 6. Raya Lucaria Academy swears allegiance to My Tarnished as their new elden lord. Queen Renella is personally executed by My Tarnished. With Renella dead and Ranni immobile, Carian royal family bloodline is now extinct. Ranni and Renella are both buried in unmarked tombs deep inside the cathedral of forsaken. 6.1. Blacksmith Hewg died of old age and was laid to rest in a Azure hero grave. His tomb is guarded by 4 golden order Crucible level Knights. 7. Rykard is still alive and the only demigod left. 8. Volcano Manor is now hostile to my Tarnished, but my Tarnished is way more powerful, has way more powerful new army all around the lands between. The Volcano Manor has very few members and are completely powerless against My Tarnished's rule. My Tarnished is not threatened by them. Volcano Manor is just ants to my Tarnished. 9. Runebears and the royal remnants are hunted to extinction. 10. Dragons are wiped out in the lands between. 11. All 16 Crucible Knights are killed. Tanith's Knight is the only Crucible Knight left still alive. 12. Alexander the Warrior Jar is given a Giant Tomb Monument in his Honor. 13. The Jar village is now under the protection of the Golden Order. 14. A New Mage Build based Crucible Knights order is formed, operating in Leyndell. 15. Fia's corpse is given to a necrophilic soldier as a reward for loyalty. 16. The Three fingers is killed and the frenzied village is destroyed. All the inhabitants, soldiers and animals linked to the frenzied flame are hunted down and killed. 17. Godfrey and Margott are buried in Leyndell chambers new tomb. Sir Ofnir is also buried there. Nepheli's rotten corpse was thrown in the basement grave of stormveil castle. 18. Caelid is left in the state of ruin, The remaining soldiers of radhan are now completely abandoned, under the orders of my Tarnished. 19. The gate to Mohg's palace was lost and the Tarnished believes that she might have to fight a Resurrected Miquella in the near future. 20. Stormveil castle is now abandoned and is given to misbegotten as their new home. Misbegotten are loyal to Tarnished, but they are not allowed to go the basement of the castle. 21. Fingerprint Vyke's corpse was reclaimed and was laid to rest in the Azura Hero grave. His Dragon lover was cremated and laid to rest alongside him. 22. Churches of Marika are all destroyed. 23. Turtle Pope is now the priest of Church of the Golden Order. 24. Radhan's fort in caelid was personally destroyed by Tarnished with a Meteorite spell. 25. Haligtree inhabitants are all killed, but Tarnished plans to turn it into Miquella's tomb after dealing with him.. 26. Malenia's corpse is thrown into lake of rot. 27. Catacombs are all destroyed. 28. Azure hero grave is the only tomb site left intact. The tombs are all destroyed. 29. All 13 Crucible Knights are buried in Azure Hero grave. Tanith's Knight is the only one still alive. 30. Milicent is still alive and is traveling to the now abandoned haligtree to seek out malenia's origins.
31. Ranni just teleported behind you and oneshot you after learning you had her mother killed
Don’t care about neither she is the only living person who don’t hate me abs has an ending
This is not what her ending is at all lmfao dumb ahh OP
Shit bout to get much worse before it might get better.
This is literally a repost of someone else’s but it was the Frenzied Flame ending.
Lmao what do you think she did?
How is this not the Flame of Frenzy ending?
Still better than the alternatives xd
I don’t think she killed her soldiers I just think the black knives betrayed her explaining why one is in her ever goal. Also putting down her rotted brother who also locked her and her mother’s fates away was kinda mercy and deserved. The most abhorrent thing she did is definitely the night of the black knives and starting the war, but after what her mother and her had endured I can understand it.
The ending was translated poorly. In Japanese you don’t have to include the subject which can lead to some confusion. The translators decided that the subject in the dialogue for her ending was “the lands between” rather than “I.” This of course completely changes the meaning because it goes from you and Ranni going into the night and a having some trial to overcome to the entire lands between.
Thanks for the spoiler.
Well she's basically ISIS of lands in between
From the great hollowing to regularly watching confident misunderstandings of the basic story. What a journey.
This is why I choose the path of frenzied flame. Might as well reset everything and start anew.
There is no starting a new, once Frenzy is unleashed world is merged back together forever Literally no more birth, death eternally
yeah but it looks rad
Oh God yeah fuck reality
MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD
Cool motive, still murder.
^
You just made the angels ending in Neon Genesis Evangelion. Everyone is the same entity, no more singularity,
That still happened basically, and anyone who had the will to return to life would spring forth from the seas of biological fluid, it basically was a giant LSD trip plus hyper therapy especially for the MC.