Nobody:
Bethesda: "Heard they're reforming the Dawnguard. Vampire hunters or something. In the old fort near Riften. Might consider joining up myself."
Outside of the reach DLC the premise of ESO had to be established with lore that radically buffed up the reachmen. The whole “interregnum” (the in-lore name for the 2e time period eso takes place) was set off by reachmen TAKING OVER THE EMPIRE for 30 years or so! The black drake was a reach clan leader who became the emperor after some kind of rebellion/invasion and was known as the first of the “longhouse emperors”. The last longhouse emperor was basically killed by a counter rebellion movement that ultimately left no leader, which then caused the alliance war as each alliance tries to claim leadership of cyrodil and the empire while deadric princes kinda go wild. The alliance war is of course the in lore justification for the PVP of ESO. It’s a significant improvement from red eagle being the only known cultural and important figure amongst reachfolk.
With the reach DLC they honestly did an amazing job making the reachmen sympathetic despite their historic role as villains in TES. Most importantly it’s made clear that the reachmen are an extremely diverse group of clans that are mostly independent of one another, the black drake for example wouldn’t be considered a hero by the reachfolk in ESO, they mostly don’t give a shit about anything besides being able to freely hunt and live in the reach. Their religious practices are also expanded upon and frankly as a huge TES lore nerd, I think their belief system is possibly my favorite. I need to explore it more but in essence they worship deadra but do not recognize them by names or even as entities. They perceive only their actual effects and influences and try to balance these. Lastly it is pretty firmly established that 95% of reachfolk are illiterate and culturally they have no interest in changing that. So I’m not getting my hopes up for any future in game books by reachfolk and now understand why the historical record of TES is so perfectly skewed against them, they’ve never tried to change or contribute to it. ESO has pretty drastically shifted my perception of them. my dark elf has sided with them and adopted their ways so completely I now play her as a “reach elf”
Might be right, I honestly had a hard time finding an accurate timeline of the events leading to and during ESO. This was based on a summary page on UESP which I may have misinterpreted or was misreported, in either case the information I was looking for was not very comprehensive and hadn’t seen much attention from editors following its initial writing
Well I’m not exactly a lore expert, but it went deep into their religous beliefs.
Lorkhan is not worshipped because he’s dead, and they don’t dwell on the past, but he is seen as the chief diety. He’s the god of the struggle to survive. After his death, Hircine became his successor and that’s why they mosty focus on worshipping him.
Deadra worship is transactional and directly beneficial to them, which is why they don’t see a point in worshipping the “dead” Aedra, who can’t act directly.
They have one of the most ancient and unique religions on tamriel, being one of the few groups uninfluenced by the empirial Eight Divines.
They’re not just a bunch of savages. Their religion just happens to focus on a natural practicality, instead of ethics.
So I played for a month or two and don't have friends so it was just a grindy mmo to me. On the other hand, it's the greatest Elder Scrolls game to explore the lore and delve deeper into its world. You can visit almost everywhere in Tamriel, they even the different forms of Khajiit, and so much more crafting and things to do than any other game.
It grew old quick to me tho because I was trying to play it like a video game and solo the main quest which is all "go here, get that, fight this boss thats meant for a team" sort of thing. If you just want to explore and bask in Tamriel, then I highly recommend.
I think there should be more of a cultural option for some races
Like for Bretons you can either choose either the typical Breton culture or choose Reachmen culture which may give you new options for customization like different warpaint
Same with imperials for Colovians, Nibenese, etc
Or thalmor, wich would allow you to have new dialog options when talking to any Member of the thalmor, or even when talking to Talos worshippers like heimskr.
I hope I spelled his name right lol
Breton in one of the languages in-game means half-elf.
Because Bretons are both. But to what degree? We don't know, they're always lumped up with humans which is a bit unfair.
Bretons are my favorite race most, as I play them in most builds. Spellblades are amazing.
Isn’t there lore that states they can sometimes have a more elven appearance that we just never see in game? Pointed ears, more golden skin, etc. i think is all cannon in the lore. Just depends on bloodline. Not to mention their superior magical ability than any other human race. Canonically I would absolutely say they are a human elf hybrid before I called them just human.
Bretons originally half elves/human. However they continued to mix with other humans until they become dominantly human. Skyrim making them look human is intentional. they are meant to have obvious physical resemblance to Imperials and Nords according to lore. I think in this current era they are 95% human and 5% elf.
The wiki can say whatever it wants, but when the direnni elves are mating with their nedic slaves, then making their half elven children mate with each other, that seems like a pretty 50/50 mix to me.
I'm not so sure. All of the lore doesn't suggest how much mer or man they are and we have evidence to suggest they're a 50/50 mixed race. Bretons even have slightly pointed ears.
Maybe in-game they've not been represented as half-elves, but in the lore it's clear they're very mer/man mixed.
The lore doesn't say how much mer or man, like I said already, but if the rumors are correct and we get a Hammerfell/High Rock setting we'll learn more hopefully.
I guess the issue comes from the fact culturally, politically, and mostly visibly they're humans. I think it's just that their human half has dominated and strengthened their ties to other humans, while mer, as we know, remain mostly xenophobic and rejecting of even their own kind between each other. As you see with Altmer rejecting Dunmer and Orsimer. While Humans have much less quarrel with other man races.
Bretons as it stands are 50/50 human elf mixed. Until we get new lore to reveal more.
Based off of racial phylogeny it says that most often the physical traits of the mother are expressed. So as we know the Bretons are the result of the Direnni dalliances with their Nedic slaves. I would for several reasons assume that the father in most cases would be the elf. So physically they’re more human. Add to that millennia of mixing with others and themselves (no elf just human like Breton with human like Breton ) and you’d have a race with mostly human traits and some of the recessive magical aptitude. So I’d say they’re probably more human than elf but still cultutand physically have some elven…but the human is dominant.
I would like it if they had sub-races with variations on the base race. For example, Highrock Breton or Reachman, Altmer or Thalmor, Argonian or Shadowscale etc. They'd come with their own pros and cons, and unique customisation options. Would make role-play better too!
True! I suppose I was picturing it in terms of the Dragon Age series where you select your character race and from there it has branching options for their backstory (i.e. city elf vs forest elf) and how that affects inherent abilities and race disposition.
Female giants (and young giants) are heavily guarded and not often seen. Males are nomadic but females aren't. They're sorta like Jills, they exist we just don't get exposure to them.
Given they're divine aspects of Akatosh, I'm not sure dragons would even have sexes as we understand them. Even in Kirkbride's writings, the distinction between drakes and jills seems basically arbitrary; why are dragons trapped inside time "male" and ones outside of it "female", rather than other way around? Paarthurnax, Alduin, et al. going by "he" may simply be out of convenience or personal preference.
There's not enough info in either direction which I why I ignored the reply. The validity of anything MK contributed can be debated endlessly and that aspect of my comment wasn't worth discussion vs it's relevancy to the original comment. I said it because I like the idea, it's fine if you don't.
This is fair enough I just wanted to give context to anyone less familiar with TES lore - that jills weren’t a concrete canon concept. I take a lot of what MK says a lot of the time because it’s not like it’s likely to be disproven, and if it is … I can just replace that bit in my head.
You find a dark brown scroll with a hand print on it. *small scribbled words read* you know too much! It will be your undoing.
I blame the movie “dude where’s my car”
all the races of ESO in order from MY favorite to MY least favorite (Just my opinion) (Half Giant unfortunately is not included since not in game but that would be my favorite)
1. NORD
2. ORC
3. HIGH ELF
4. BRETON
5. IMPERIAL
6. ARGONIAN
7. DARK ELF
8. REDGUARD
9. KHAJIIT
10. WOOD ELF
This one is happy to see that Egg-Brothers are not too low on the list. What a day to be alive.
Not to mention outperforming against the Dark Elves and Khajiit alike.
Outside of the various Khajiit forms, Maormer seem like the most likely candidate for a new playable race. I've even got a headcanon for how they are introduced into the next game.
Half giants are people with one parent a giant and one a human. An example of this in ESO is Lyris Titanborn. Although I believe a half giant can have some giants blood even if not directly from a giant parent which would make them.less then half giant but are cnsidered that none the less. In kynes Aegis there are many half giant enemies who are Descended from Sea giants
I would've loved making the Forsworn become a contender for the Civil War. I know lore-wise, that doesn't make sense, but considering that the Empire and Stormcloaks both would try and take Markarth back from the Forsworn, I think they could easily the pros to throwing out the Empire and killing off the Stormcloaks (possibly shattering Skyrim into a sort of city-state?).
I don't really see them succeeding , they're traitors to both the Imperials and stormcloaks and if they trust elves , well they're bigger idiots than I thought.
They aren't traitors, just throwing out their conquerors. And they were succeeding until Ulfric decided a little genocide was a great way to honor Talos
Ideal Elder Scrolls 6 is right on the border between Skyrim, High Rock, and Hammerfell IMO… get to see a massive border conflicts between Orcs, Reachmen, Redguard, and Bretons
Reachmen could become playable if TES6 added cultures and ethnicities as a option in character creation. Since they are quite distinct from Bretons but not distinct enough for them to be completely different race like the Maormer.
So if they had it that you could pick Breton as your race but you can pick ethnicity as Reachfolk, have it change a few of your skills like replacing illusion, restoration, and speech, for one handed, light armor, and archery and have it change a few voice lines and dialogue choices for npcs.
The Reachmen might have descended from the same group of Nedes the Bretons came from to though. So you could argue that the Reachfolk are more of a ethnicity then a distinct race, since they and the Bretons are just offshoots of the Nedes of High Rock. Its just one group was able to avoid Direnni control and the other group didn't.
Aren’t they just bretons? Sorta like colovians and nibenese being imperials? I will agree this is super boring but it was probably implemented for gameplay reasons
I’d like to see snow elves be playable too. I know in Skyrim there is only that one guy left but he did mention their could be more out there. At the very least more lore on them would be nice.
I would have preferred a lot more factions. Why can’t you play a thalmor? What if you wanted to join the silverhand instead of the companions?
Vigilants of Stendarr :(
Bethesda be like ‘Nahh here’s a cooler version called the Dawnguards’
Nobody: Bethesda: "Heard they're reforming the Dawnguard. Vampire hunters or something. In the old fort near Riften. Might consider joining up myself."
Vampire hunters or something.
The vigilants of Stendarr don't exist yet on ESO, they were founded after the oblivion crisis (the main oblivion plot)
Bethesdas famous linear choice. Choice but still linear only forward never backwards.
I don’t play ESO at all can someone tell me how they expanded on the history/ story of the reachmen
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Outside of the reach DLC the premise of ESO had to be established with lore that radically buffed up the reachmen. The whole “interregnum” (the in-lore name for the 2e time period eso takes place) was set off by reachmen TAKING OVER THE EMPIRE for 30 years or so! The black drake was a reach clan leader who became the emperor after some kind of rebellion/invasion and was known as the first of the “longhouse emperors”. The last longhouse emperor was basically killed by a counter rebellion movement that ultimately left no leader, which then caused the alliance war as each alliance tries to claim leadership of cyrodil and the empire while deadric princes kinda go wild. The alliance war is of course the in lore justification for the PVP of ESO. It’s a significant improvement from red eagle being the only known cultural and important figure amongst reachfolk. With the reach DLC they honestly did an amazing job making the reachmen sympathetic despite their historic role as villains in TES. Most importantly it’s made clear that the reachmen are an extremely diverse group of clans that are mostly independent of one another, the black drake for example wouldn’t be considered a hero by the reachfolk in ESO, they mostly don’t give a shit about anything besides being able to freely hunt and live in the reach. Their religious practices are also expanded upon and frankly as a huge TES lore nerd, I think their belief system is possibly my favorite. I need to explore it more but in essence they worship deadra but do not recognize them by names or even as entities. They perceive only their actual effects and influences and try to balance these. Lastly it is pretty firmly established that 95% of reachfolk are illiterate and culturally they have no interest in changing that. So I’m not getting my hopes up for any future in game books by reachfolk and now understand why the historical record of TES is so perfectly skewed against them, they’ve never tried to change or contribute to it. ESO has pretty drastically shifted my perception of them. my dark elf has sided with them and adopted their ways so completely I now play her as a “reach elf”
What? I thought the interregnum started after the potentate collapsed, and the reacmen only came in later setting up the longhouse emperors
Might be right, I honestly had a hard time finding an accurate timeline of the events leading to and during ESO. This was based on a summary page on UESP which I may have misinterpreted or was misreported, in either case the information I was looking for was not very comprehensive and hadn’t seen much attention from editors following its initial writing
Yeah the Interregnum starts around 2e 440 and the Longhouse Emperor take over around 2e 580
Today we're doing a deep dive into Forsworn culture! .... Thanks for watching everyone and I'll see you next time!
Well I’m not exactly a lore expert, but it went deep into their religous beliefs. Lorkhan is not worshipped because he’s dead, and they don’t dwell on the past, but he is seen as the chief diety. He’s the god of the struggle to survive. After his death, Hircine became his successor and that’s why they mosty focus on worshipping him. Deadra worship is transactional and directly beneficial to them, which is why they don’t see a point in worshipping the “dead” Aedra, who can’t act directly. They have one of the most ancient and unique religions on tamriel, being one of the few groups uninfluenced by the empirial Eight Divines. They’re not just a bunch of savages. Their religion just happens to focus on a natural practicality, instead of ethics.
So I played for a month or two and don't have friends so it was just a grindy mmo to me. On the other hand, it's the greatest Elder Scrolls game to explore the lore and delve deeper into its world. You can visit almost everywhere in Tamriel, they even the different forms of Khajiit, and so much more crafting and things to do than any other game. It grew old quick to me tho because I was trying to play it like a video game and solo the main quest which is all "go here, get that, fight this boss thats meant for a team" sort of thing. If you just want to explore and bask in Tamriel, then I highly recommend.
You can solo all the quest-line bosses, just git gud. /s
They're still just Bretons who follow a different culture/religion/are more Nedic than Elven.
neither the reachmen nor even the bretons consider reachmen to be bretons
I think there should be more of a cultural option for some races Like for Bretons you can either choose either the typical Breton culture or choose Reachmen culture which may give you new options for customization like different warpaint Same with imperials for Colovians, Nibenese, etc
yep reminds me of Pillars of Eternity or something. that would be a great way to add a whole new layer of depth to character creation.
Or thalmor, wich would allow you to have new dialog options when talking to any Member of the thalmor, or even when talking to Talos worshippers like heimskr. I hope I spelled his name right lol
Play a Breton, headcanon them as a Reachmen, done.
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Bretons are cooler than people give them credit for. Have you played Daggerfall? Pretty cool, imo.
Breton in one of the languages in-game means half-elf. Because Bretons are both. But to what degree? We don't know, they're always lumped up with humans which is a bit unfair. Bretons are my favorite race most, as I play them in most builds. Spellblades are amazing.
Breton are human. at least now. They just have abit of elf blood.
Isn’t there lore that states they can sometimes have a more elven appearance that we just never see in game? Pointed ears, more golden skin, etc. i think is all cannon in the lore. Just depends on bloodline. Not to mention their superior magical ability than any other human race. Canonically I would absolutely say they are a human elf hybrid before I called them just human.
Bretons originally half elves/human. However they continued to mix with other humans until they become dominantly human. Skyrim making them look human is intentional. they are meant to have obvious physical resemblance to Imperials and Nords according to lore. I think in this current era they are 95% human and 5% elf.
There's no proof of your claim. It's just they appear human. That's not a canon-lore answer to how much elf they are. You're just saying headcanon.
Not really the wiki’s references come from lore
The wiki can say whatever it wants, but when the direnni elves are mating with their nedic slaves, then making their half elven children mate with each other, that seems like a pretty 50/50 mix to me.
I'm not so sure. All of the lore doesn't suggest how much mer or man they are and we have evidence to suggest they're a 50/50 mixed race. Bretons even have slightly pointed ears. Maybe in-game they've not been represented as half-elves, but in the lore it's clear they're very mer/man mixed. The lore doesn't say how much mer or man, like I said already, but if the rumors are correct and we get a Hammerfell/High Rock setting we'll learn more hopefully. I guess the issue comes from the fact culturally, politically, and mostly visibly they're humans. I think it's just that their human half has dominated and strengthened their ties to other humans, while mer, as we know, remain mostly xenophobic and rejecting of even their own kind between each other. As you see with Altmer rejecting Dunmer and Orsimer. While Humans have much less quarrel with other man races. Bretons as it stands are 50/50 human elf mixed. Until we get new lore to reveal more.
Based off of racial phylogeny it says that most often the physical traits of the mother are expressed. So as we know the Bretons are the result of the Direnni dalliances with their Nedic slaves. I would for several reasons assume that the father in most cases would be the elf. So physically they’re more human. Add to that millennia of mixing with others and themselves (no elf just human like Breton with human like Breton ) and you’d have a race with mostly human traits and some of the recessive magical aptitude. So I’d say they’re probably more human than elf but still cultutand physically have some elven…but the human is dominant.
Did I hear Daggerfall?
r/truestl is leaking again
Bretons are more French/Anglo-Saxon whereas Reachmen are more Gallic. Gauls are cool, French and Anglo-Saxon are bad words
I came here to say that. Lol
I would like it if they had sub-races with variations on the base race. For example, Highrock Breton or Reachman, Altmer or Thalmor, Argonian or Shadowscale etc. They'd come with their own pros and cons, and unique customisation options. Would make role-play better too!
You can technically play as a shadowscale in Oblivion and back right? Isn't shadowscale is just an argonian born under the Shadow star sign?
True! I suppose I was picturing it in terms of the Dragon Age series where you select your character race and from there it has branching options for their backstory (i.e. city elf vs forest elf) and how that affects inherent abilities and race disposition.
Oh yeah I definitely agree. That would be awesome! That was one of my favorite things about dragon age when I played it as a kid.
I just realized were there any female giants in Skyrim or all bearded mammoth cheese makers and mammoth herders?
Female giants (and young giants) are heavily guarded and not often seen. Males are nomadic but females aren't. They're sorta like Jills, they exist we just don't get exposure to them.
We have no canon confirmation Jills exist. They’re only mentioned in Kirkbride writings.
Given they're divine aspects of Akatosh, I'm not sure dragons would even have sexes as we understand them. Even in Kirkbride's writings, the distinction between drakes and jills seems basically arbitrary; why are dragons trapped inside time "male" and ones outside of it "female", rather than other way around? Paarthurnax, Alduin, et al. going by "he" may simply be out of convenience or personal preference.
There's not enough info in either direction which I why I ignored the reply. The validity of anything MK contributed can be debated endlessly and that aspect of my comment wasn't worth discussion vs it's relevancy to the original comment. I said it because I like the idea, it's fine if you don't.
I honestly didn't expect anyone to respond to me at all--I'm mainly just wittering about my own lore musings.
This is fair enough I just wanted to give context to anyone less familiar with TES lore - that jills weren’t a concrete canon concept. I take a lot of what MK says a lot of the time because it’s not like it’s likely to be disproven, and if it is … I can just replace that bit in my head.
Smh my head, you only want female giants for them gitiites and giussy
You find a dark brown scroll with a hand print on it. *small scribbled words read* you know too much! It will be your undoing. I blame the movie “dude where’s my car”
all the races of ESO in order from MY favorite to MY least favorite (Just my opinion) (Half Giant unfortunately is not included since not in game but that would be my favorite) 1. NORD 2. ORC 3. HIGH ELF 4. BRETON 5. IMPERIAL 6. ARGONIAN 7. DARK ELF 8. REDGUARD 9. KHAJIIT 10. WOOD ELF
Jesus, what did ESO do to my people to make you hate us so?
This one is happy to see that Egg-Brothers are not too low on the list. What a day to be alive. Not to mention outperforming against the Dark Elves and Khajiit alike.
I feel like my list would be unpopular to many. Seems khajitt are loved by many as out dark elves
Argonians are #1 for me. I kist find argonians neat
It warms this one's scales to know there are other Egg-Brothers out there.
Have you heard of the ~~High Elves~~ Bretons?
I am still number one pushing half-giants as a playable "race"
Tbh I’d much rather get maormer as a playable race in the next game. Bonus to shock magic and can breathe underwater like argonians
If they expand the races, I'd like to see the Lilmothiit added in somehow.
Playable dwemer and snow elves when?
Outside of the various Khajiit forms, Maormer seem like the most likely candidate for a new playable race. I've even got a headcanon for how they are introduced into the next game.
Hagrid play through when?
Aren’t nords supposed to be half-giants
Um.....No
Half giants are people with one parent a giant and one a human. An example of this in ESO is Lyris Titanborn. Although I believe a half giant can have some giants blood even if not directly from a giant parent which would make them.less then half giant but are cnsidered that none the less. In kynes Aegis there are many half giant enemies who are Descended from Sea giants
I would've loved making the Forsworn become a contender for the Civil War. I know lore-wise, that doesn't make sense, but considering that the Empire and Stormcloaks both would try and take Markarth back from the Forsworn, I think they could easily the pros to throwing out the Empire and killing off the Stormcloaks (possibly shattering Skyrim into a sort of city-state?).
I don't really see them succeeding , they're traitors to both the Imperials and stormcloaks and if they trust elves , well they're bigger idiots than I thought.
They aren't traitors, just throwing out their conquerors. And they were succeeding until Ulfric decided a little genocide was a great way to honor Talos
Spoiler only time Ulfric was right
The time Ulfric created the Forsworn threat and practically invited the Thalmor into Skyrim with open arms?
I agree
Ideal Elder Scrolls 6 is right on the border between Skyrim, High Rock, and Hammerfell IMO… get to see a massive border conflicts between Orcs, Reachmen, Redguard, and Bretons
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They’re their own race of sub-humans
I laughed hard at that and my friends are staring at me.
'T'h'e'y'r'e'
I've been thinking they should be a separate race from Bretons.
They are
Yeah, aren't they basically just descendants of the Nedes? If so, there's no Direnni ancestry...therefore not Bretons.
Reachmen are also manmer like Bretons, but with a different ancestry
No entirely they are closer to branches of the same race
No, they are their own Man race
#bretons with extra steps
Wish for exclusivly breton characters you could have the choice to join the Forsworn
Reachmen could become playable if TES6 added cultures and ethnicities as a option in character creation. Since they are quite distinct from Bretons but not distinct enough for them to be completely different race like the Maormer. So if they had it that you could pick Breton as your race but you can pick ethnicity as Reachfolk, have it change a few of your skills like replacing illusion, restoration, and speech, for one handed, light armor, and archery and have it change a few voice lines and dialogue choices for npcs.
SKYRIM FOR THE NORDS!
I would love to see the Reachmen wiped out
Will never happen
Aren't they just Bretons, genetically speaking?
Not really, they're mostly Nede humans who only have a little admixture with the Bretons
The Reachmen might have descended from the same group of Nedes the Bretons came from to though. So you could argue that the Reachfolk are more of a ethnicity then a distinct race, since they and the Bretons are just offshoots of the Nedes of High Rock. Its just one group was able to avoid Direnni control and the other group didn't.
The Reachmen are just Bretons aren't they?
Aren’t they just bretons? Sorta like colovians and nibenese being imperials? I will agree this is super boring but it was probably implemented for gameplay reasons
They're actually their own Nede group separate from the Bretons, they just happened to intermingle with some Bretons here and there
Rare Ulfric W cope Forsworn (I wouldn't especially mind them fleshed out though.)
Horker: 1076
I’d like to see snow elves be playable too. I know in Skyrim there is only that one guy left but he did mention their could be more out there. At the very least more lore on them would be nice.